Bigfoot Society - It Heard My Thoughts! | 5 Days with Sasquatch in Arkansas

Episode Date: September 2, 2024

In this episode, we dive deep into Jaxon's startling experiences with Sasquatch over the years. From his first sighting as an 8-year-old in Florida's Golden Gate Estates to an intense 5-day encounter ...in the remote woods of Arkansas, Jaxon shares every detail. Discover the Cherokee heritage insight that suggests Sasquatch sense human intentions, and explore how these experiences shaped Jaxon's view of these elusive beings. This is one conversation you don't want to miss, filled with riveting tales and thought-provoking revelations!Share your Bigfoot encounter with me here: bigfootsociety@gmail.comWant to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: bigfootsociety@gmail.com

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Starting point is 00:02:11 I've got the privilege of talking to Jackson today. Jackson is an individual that's had some really interesting things happen over the years. He's an individual that left a YouTube comment on one of my episodes. And so I always try to reach out to individuals that leave a comment. And he was actually able to go ahead and contact me back, thankfully. And Jackson, it's a pleasure to have you on the show today. Hey man, it's a pleasure to be here. I appreciate it. Absolutely. We were talking in the pre-interview, and we are going to go to some really interesting places in this interview.
Starting point is 00:02:47 But, you know, I'm just going to go ahead and pass it right over to you and just kind of take us back to the beginning what we need to know and how it all started for you. Yeah, gotcha. So just to give you a little bit of background about me, I grew up and, sort of like west central Florida, like near the Everglades in a little area called the Golden Gate Estates, which at the time was severely less built up than it is now. Talking my road, my street that I lived on was like
Starting point is 00:03:19 three and a half miles long and there was five houses on it. So, you know, we were real spread apart and there was a lot of dense woodland out there, a lot of canals intertwining and things like that. So my first my first encounter ever actually happened in in the woods about probably 750 meters from my house. There was a trail at the end of our road that me and the boys up the road used to ride forward
Starting point is 00:03:50 where there was on and things. And on one of these trails, there was a big pile of crushed stone that they were probably going to use for some kind of home build or something on the canal. but it had been there for years. And we would go out there and climb on it because there was little holes that the rattlesnakes would nest in. And we would go up there looking for rattlesnake eggs after they'd hatched to see if we could find any empty eggs. We were climbing up there one night. It was probably like 5.30, 6 o'clock in the afternoon.
Starting point is 00:04:25 It was close to dinner time. Someone was about to go down. And myself and another boy named Michael, who was about two years older than me at the time, We were all the way at the top of the peak, which was probably 35 foot up. And we were sitting up there talking, and it was pretty quiet because the other boys were down below us. And we heard branches snapping. And he thought it was a bear, so he started sliding down the rock pile. and I looked out across and just about probably 150 meters, maybe 200 meters out, there was the canal line.
Starting point is 00:05:11 And there was a very, very brief siding, probably 15 seconds total. But I watched this medium-sized, small to medium-sized Sasquatch come down the small embankment into the canal, stepped through the canal and then back up the embankment on the other side and then it disappeared into the woods very quickly um and at the time i didn't know anything obviously it was young i was probably eight years old at the time nine years old i didn't know anything about saskatch um and you know i was a little bit shaken but i was like maybe it was a bear you know we had bear problems in the area, digging through trash and stuff. And I went home, and I told my dad about it.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Now, my dad was, like, 95% Cherokee. And I told him about it, and I remember, like, his face going white. And then he sat me down that night because my mom worked night shift, so it was just me and dad at home. And he sat me down that night and made me watch the legend of Boggy Creek. and was asking me a bunch of questions like, does this look like what you saw, the whole non? And ironically enough,
Starting point is 00:06:34 that was the only conversation that we had ever had regarding Sasquatch. And like I said, it was a brief interaction, but that was the only one that I had for like three and a half, four years. Somewhere around 2004, 2005, we moved from Florida to North Carolina. And when we moved there, we were living in, like,
Starting point is 00:07:08 the Greensboro area, like a, you know, a decent-sized city. And I didn't get to get out and get in the woods as much as I like to. And my dad and I decided at the, like, the end of time. 2008 to go out, the summer of 2008, to go out and spend some time up in the mountains and go fishing and get a weekend away, get back to our roots, you know? So we had been there a couple of times before visiting in North Carolina in the past, but we drove up to like the area just outside of Boone, North Carolina. and he rented a cabin from a guy in like the Penny Saver that was sitting on the Wittaga River,
Starting point is 00:08:01 which we had fished countless times before we were visiting. And I've fished hundreds of times since then. But we were just outside of Boone, North Carolina, and the cabin was sitting up on a hill and about 50 yards from the cabin was the tree line and there was a trail through the trees that went down about another 450 yards down the side of the hill
Starting point is 00:08:28 that wound up at the river and the spot of the river that we were at had a straight stretch of probably 100, 150 yards and then turned into a wind that wound down the rest of the mountainside. And during this trip, The water was still kind of high because we had recently had some good rain, but even the water being high was only like two and a half, three feet deep.
Starting point is 00:08:55 We spent the entire weekend from we got there Friday afternoon, probably 1.30, 2 o'clock in the afternoon. We unpacked, went straight to the river, and we fished the whole time, the whole day. And I did that every day up until Sunday morning. Sunday morning. Now, the whole time we were there, you know, I don't know about him because we never talked about it. One of my biggest regrets is never talking to him about it because, you know, I no longer can.
Starting point is 00:09:26 But the whole time we were there, I had that feeling like somebody's looking at me the entire time while we were fishing while we were at the cabin the entire time. On top of that, every night, you know, my dad was an older guy. He fell asleep early every night. He was one of those guys that went to sleep at 9, woke up at 4.30, whether or not he had an alarm set, whether or not he had to work, he had that internal clock going.
Starting point is 00:09:55 So he would go to bed, and I'd be up, you know, either reading or watching TV or whatever the case. And usually around, I think it was all three nights. It was around 11, 30, 12 o'clock at night, somewhere in there, maybe a little bit later. I would hear footsteps and breathing on the front porch of the cabin. And it was heavy footsteps. You know, I'm fairly certain that if a man had walked up on that porch,
Starting point is 00:10:31 I probably would not have been able to hear it over the TV. But they were, it was loud enough that I could hear the footsteps on the ground outside before it got to the porch. and then it would stand on the porch, and then it would walk back and forth on the porch, and I could hear the heavy breathing, but there was no window on the front porch. So I could never see anything.
Starting point is 00:10:55 It never touched the door or anything like that. It just stood out there and walked around. So on Sunday morning, I woke up around, I'd say, 9, 30, 10 o'clock, and my dad was making breakfast, and we ate breakfast, and he told me, you go down to the river see if you can catch your limit I'll pack up and clean up the cabin get ready for us to go
Starting point is 00:11:20 because he had work on Monday morning so I was probably 1130 when I walked out and went down to the water and I got down to the edge of the river and I was fishing for like two hours maybe and that whole time I still had that feeling like eyes were on me and it was so vivid that I like was casting and then looking around at the trees trying to figure out what was looking at me I couldn't shake it I couldn't ignore it and it got to the point where I was like something's out there like even at you know 12 you know 11 and I have 12 years old at the time probably in that in that range I could I was still like I feel like I got to talk to it I don't know what it is but something's out there
Starting point is 00:12:13 somebody's out there looking at me so at some point uh you know i said like i know you're there i can i can hear you are i can i can feel you there you know and then probably 45 seconds later i get i get shaky just thinking about it right now it's crazy 45 seconds to a minute later i hear um foots heavy footsteps again like i did on the porch but they were on the other side of the river from me on the, like, on the upper side of the hill because there was a big embankment. And I was hearing, like, brush moving and, like, twigs breaking under footfall. And at this point, I've been in my, in the woods all my life. I know what it sounds like when a deer's walking.
Starting point is 00:13:00 And you can pretty much tell what it sounds like when a bear's walking. It's pretty much 100% identifiability, in my opinion. but this was not something I'd ever heard like this. And it stopped. And then out of the corner of my eye, as I was casting up the river a little bit, I kept seeing like a slight little bit of movement. And my heart was racing, and I didn't know what to think because I didn't know what it was. So I just said, I know you're up.
Starting point is 00:13:39 there, you might as well just come on out. And two minutes of dead silence, no movement, no nothing. And then out of the trees, steps probably 10 foot tall, this massive, like dark brown, almost jet black, haired Sasquatch. And he stepped out from behind the tree that he was hiding behind and walked straight down the egg bankment and two steps which it was probably a 10 12 foot in bankment it was massive and he steps onto like the river rock like the the pea gravel on the on the beach of the river and just stood there and stared at me and i tried my best to just keep fishing and like ignore it and have i didn't feel i didn't feel scared I didn't feel afraid.
Starting point is 00:14:39 I didn't know what its intentions were. So I just stood and fished and I waited. And at some point, I gathered up the courage to kind of look at it again. And I turned and looked at it, and its head was kind of tilted looking at me, like, trying to figure out what I was doing. And I got a really, really good look at it. I was finally like able to make, make full contact with it, full eye contact. And the image in my head when I think about it is so vivid.
Starting point is 00:15:22 It's, there was a slight, slight crest of it, like slight slope to the forehead. It wasn't crested like a lot of people say. It wasn't like a pointed skull, you know, like a lot of, a lot of people. say and it wasn't reddish brown like i feel like 90% of uh 90% of experiences say that the red is brown this thing was like almost jet black it had gray hair on its chest and gray hair on its beard and i mean when i say beard i mean beard like it the face the hair on the face had grown out and was like shaggy and was longer than the rest of its head. And it was starting to gray at the middle.
Starting point is 00:16:12 And same with the chest. It was almost like a rough rounded diamond shape of gray hair tufted on the chest. And the skin on its face was almost black-like leather. It was like a dark gray and it was oily. And its nose was kind of flattened a little bit. It was very, very human-like, but it was almost flattened a little bit. And I could tell it was a, I could tell very obviously, if you understand what I'm saying, that it was a man. Like, it was definitely a male.
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Starting point is 00:19:08 And I stared at this thing and I couldn't fish anymore. All I could do was look at it. And at some point, it got so comfortable with me being there that it just stopped staring at me. And it was doing things that any other person or preacher would do. Like, he would scratch his chest periodically or, like, a fly would go by his face and he would swat at the fly. And then after a few minutes of him just standing there, he looked at him. he looks back at me again and then he makes this like
Starting point is 00:19:48 almost like a yawn sound I don't know how to describe it really but it was deep and guttural but it wasn't aggressive then he walked to the edge of the water and he squatted down like Slavic style with his butt on the heel of his feet
Starting point is 00:20:09 and reaches down into the water and starts skipping up water out of the river and drinking it out of the tent. He takes a few sips of water. He stands back up and he just looks back at me. And at this point, I'm like, I got to get out of here. I have no idea what's going on now now. So I grab the stringer out of the edge of the water and I stop and I look at him and I'm just holding my rod in one hand stringer in the other hand.
Starting point is 00:20:41 I'm looking at him. He's looking at me. complete total eye contact and he had these like dark emerald green really bright eyes and they were huge and I looked at them and I was like you can have these if you want them and I tossed the stringer onto the bank of the river and I turned around and I started walking back up that trail and I got probably halfway between the trail or between the river and the cabin on that trail when I heard his footsteps clunk through the water
Starting point is 00:21:20 and then clunk right back through the water back to the other side and then I heard his footsteps crashing up the hillside. The entire thing probably lasted 15 minutes. It was long. 15 minutes, wow. Yeah. I mean, I'm talking,
Starting point is 00:21:41 I stood there for probably five, ten minutes, still casting out into the water as he just stood there and watched me, trying to figure out what I was doing. Can I jump in with some questions? Absolutely. Yeah. What you saw there, was it similar to what you remember as an eight-year-old in Florida? So what I saw when I was an eight-year-old in Florida was very, it was very hard to, to make out because there was so much dense vegetation there.
Starting point is 00:22:22 So, like, really what I was seeing was, like, torso and shoulders, and then some of, like, the neck and head, but it was bobbing through vegetation as it was going. Because, you know, we're out in the middle of, you know, BFE, as I like to call it, in the middle of nowhere and you know this canal was probably seven
Starting point is 00:22:49 seven eight feet across it was a real small canal and it was down that bank up the bank and gone in probably 10 15 seconds tops but I do remember brown fur
Starting point is 00:23:06 or brown hair in the first encounter but I definitely didn't get the same kind of quality that I saw in Carolina because like like I said this thing was right there it was maybe 30 yards from me oh wow like less than 100 feet 100 percent the river itself that stretch of river is only like 15 20 foot across and he was like two or three feet from the water line he wasn't far at all and he was direct
Starting point is 00:23:42 across the river from me. He stepped out and down that and back then right in front of me. But he was, I'm telling me he was probably there the entire time. Like he was probably watching that whole weekend. Right. Because like that whole, that feeling had been there and he didn't come out until I talked to him. There wasn't until I communicated with him that I was like, hey man, like, everything's cool. You can come out. And that's when he started walking down. It's so interesting. Your interview makes the, I would say, fourth or fifth in a row where the individual has talked to the Sasquatch using their vocal voice in English and had a direct response.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Either a tree pushed over or in your case, they actually step out. And it's just, it's, it's very interesting for me to analyze because these people I'm not talking to, they don't know each other. So it's not like they're talking and like, oh, make sure you say this. Like it's a lot of really interesting connections that are coming out with this subject, which is talking verbally to the creatures and getting response. And I'm not sure how to deal with that, you know? So what's even more, what's even more crazy is when I get to that, like later on down the line, there's, you know, what happened to me in Arkansas. saw, as far as communication goes, puts that to shame. Okay.
Starting point is 00:25:20 Like, it transcended what I thought was possible. Hmm. And it sounds like we will definitely get there. Yeah. You mentioned that your father is 95% Cherokee. And what does that make you percentage, if you don't mind? So I'm roughly 60 Okay
Starting point is 00:25:43 Roughly 60 I think it's like 58.7 or something like that I did Ancestry.com and all that stuff And like I got tested and everything But yeah it's roughly roughly in the 60 mark Do you think Have you ever had that internal Thought where
Starting point is 00:26:00 Does this have something to do with it Or could there be a connection there Because of my heritage or I don't think So So prior to going to Boone and having that interaction because of
Starting point is 00:26:17 what I'd seen in Florida I had as I got older I started doing some research like in sixth grade I read a book called Sasquatch that was based it was a story based out of Washington where a boy's father has an experience and they go out trying to figure it out and it's a very
Starting point is 00:26:35 interesting book for young adults but I read all these books started reading all these internet articles I started started watching the BFRO website at this at this point like early stages BFRO website seeing where people were seeing things and what they were seeing and all this stuff and then my dad had told me
Starting point is 00:26:58 because when I had that conversation with him the first time and he made me watch The Legend of the Boggy Creek he said I remember him telling me don't take this movie to heart that's not what they're like. Oh, wow. And when I asked what he meant, he said, he said, the Cherokee think of them as the protectors of the forest.
Starting point is 00:27:24 So when I started to get a little bit older, I started looking into that, and I read all these articles from Cherokee elders that were talking about the Sasquatch people. That's the way that they described them as the Sasquatch people. and their connection with early Cherokee nations as well as other Native nations, and their communication back and forth and the relationship that they had built living amongst each other. And one of the things that I read was that a lot of Cherokee elders,
Starting point is 00:28:06 I don't know about other Native American tribes, but I know that the Cherokee elders believed that the Sasquatch people could hear your thoughts so they could detect your intentions and that their communication levels transcended beyond speech, basically. So if you went into the woods with intentions of killing it, it's not going to show itself. It's basically the mindset that I was understanding is that if, if it's the same way with dogs right if if somebody who has malintent comes into your home your dog is not going to like them if somebody tries to break into your house to kill you your dog is probably going to react negatively to it because a dog can sense more than just your speech which is why a dog will react to you
Starting point is 00:29:05 You could tell a dog that it's an idiot, but say it in a sweet way, and the dog is going to wag its tail and be happy because it can sense your intent. So the way that I was going into this, like, I started having the feelings of being watched, and I was like some things out there, like, I should probably, you know, just let it be, right? But this whole weekend, you know, being watching everything like that when my dad wasn't around, I was, that's the first thing that. came to my mind was like if I talked to it maybe it'll understand that I don't want to hurt it right so that's what I did I talked to it and it come out and it it was a very very intense intense time that is so you just opened my mind because I didn't know that that was part of Cherokee legend where there's the whole uh they can perhaps have insight into thoughts or intention.
Starting point is 00:30:10 I thought that was a newer thing, and that's been around forever you're saying. Yeah, so what I read, so the, I forgot the guy's name, but there was an article that I read that was written in 2001. And I found it on a like a Cherokee tribal connection website where a guy had written this, long, elaborate, like, here is how the Cherokee people operate, right? And I read this thing. It was probably like 150 pages of just things that people should know after they find out that they're Cherokee. And it got into naturalist stuff, like the way that they use medicine, and the way that they would cook food or would preserve food, things like that.
Starting point is 00:31:06 And then it got into wildlife. And when it got into wildlife, one of the first things that it said was there are the Sasquatch people that protect the forest. And it gave a description, and there was like a drawing. And then the drawing was like two men with, you know, with bows and arrows. And then there was like a very, very massive dark figure, you know, standing in a tree. tree line was in the picture that was drawn there. And it was talking about how they communicate without words, meaning telepathically, that they know your intentions before you make them clear and things like that.
Starting point is 00:31:55 So yeah, that's been a thing for a very long time. And I think it gets overshadowed by other. other aspects of the possibilities of Sasquatch. No, absolutely. And it's interesting because that can explain how if you go out with other people versus other people entirely, you could have things happen with certain groups and then nothing happened with perhaps a group of people that have an ill intention. Absolutely. And I mean, but here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:32:33 It goes the same way. with deer hunting. Really? I've been hunting with people that are, I just want to kill a deer, right? They have no respect for the spirituality of hunting, you know, things like that, and you won't see anything all night, all night.
Starting point is 00:32:53 And when I would hunt with my father, my father, like, growing up, he always taught me that hunting is a way of fulfilling the needs of the family. So you have to be thankful for the sacrifice that the animal is giving you. Right. So when my dad or I would kill a deer, we would stop and he would pray and thank the animal for its sacrifice to feed the family. So I became very connected with hunting and fishing in a spiritual way. And I've noticed over the years that if I go with,
Starting point is 00:33:34 If I go hunting alone or with people that have a similar mindset to me, I'll kill a deer every single time I'm out. But if I go with somebody who's just hunting because they want to eat some venison and they don't really care about the naturalist side of it, then I won't see anything. That's extremely interesting. Thank you for being so open with your heritage and what you've looked into regarding that. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages.
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Starting point is 00:35:56 Mm, absolutely. So at this time in North Carolina, so that was the end of the weekend then. Yeah, that was as I was leaving, basically. So like I said, I got up, had breakfast, dad made breakfast, and then he was like, you go fish, because, I could still catch my limit for the day if I wanted to. And he stayed and was cleaning up the cabin and packing everything up to get ready to go because my dad was a foreman for an electric company.
Starting point is 00:36:25 So he had to be at work at 5 o'clock the next morning. So we were leaving about 2.30 o'clock, 23 o'clock in the afternoon. Because we had a three and a half hour, four hour drive back to our house. And so I went alone and I was down there alone. And I was fishing for a couple of hours before I. I really, like, worked up the courage to say anything and try to coax it out. After that, it was like 15 minutes total of me and this massive 10-foot Sasquatch staring at each other before I turned out and walked back up the hill.
Starting point is 00:37:02 And it was probably 15, 20 minutes after I got back to the cabin that we left. And you had no electronic things on you or you weren't trying to record audio or video. It's just you fishing. nothing like that. So growing up in Florida, I had a Nextel because my dad was an electrician. So like his company, he paid for NextDells for the family. But after we left Florida and we got rid of our next tells, I didn't have a cell phone until I was probably 14 years old. So I didn't have any electronic stuff to record at all.
Starting point is 00:37:41 The only thing that I had on me when I was at that river, I had on, I had on laters in case I wanted to get into the the water and then I had a backpack and then my backpack was my lures um like my pliers for uh for fishing hooks and then a bottle of water and a couple of granola blocks but other than that's all I had on me the entire time other than a fishing pole I didn't have any electronics I didn't have a garment at the time or anything like that this you know I was young yeah wow that's that's a that's a extremely, extremely interesting. You said this was around 2004? No, so 2004 is when we left Florida. This was probably 2008. Okay. Gotcha. I was 12 and a half, almost 13 at the time. It was about a month. Now that I'm really like thinking on it, it was about a month before my 13th birthday. So it would have been June of 2008 because it was just a week after I got out of school for the year.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Did you have a conversation with your father about what you saw for that 15 minutes? No. Wow. My father and I never talk. I never talked to anybody about this until about two years ago. Oh, my goodness. How old are you now, roughly? I am 29.
Starting point is 00:39:07 I turned 29 just last month on the 31st. Dude, that's a long, that's about 14, 15 years. I went 15 years, yeah, without talking about it. Oh, my goodness. and it's actually one of my biggest regrets because my father passed away in 2014 when I was 19 years old and the last couple years of his life he was really sick so I didn't I didn't have the best relationship with him had a lot of animosity towards him a lot of false animosity so like it's one of those things that like if I could sit down and have another conversation with him I would
Starting point is 00:39:44 probably tell him about that because he would probably be as a ecstatic about it, you know? I even would maybe guess that he'd had similar things happened to himself when he was younger. I always thought the same thing too just because of what he said when we watched
Starting point is 00:40:03 that, when we watched Legend of Body Creek. Because what he actually said, what he said to me was, don't take that movie, don't take that movie to heart because they aren't like that. Like he knew, you know what I mean? absolutely this is absolutely
Starting point is 00:40:24 incredible Jackson's so there was there was one other other encounter that was very brief that happened in eastern shore of Maryland this was probably 2013
Starting point is 00:40:39 about that I was 18 years old I was just barely 18 years old my uncle would hunt sick of deer on the eastern shore Maryland. And Sika beer are a small Asian breed of deer that live in like the wetlands. So we were sitting on opposite fields. There was a large piece of property was like 350 acres that we had permission to hunt on. And there was a clearing that went for probably 250, 300 acres of it, most of it, there was about
Starting point is 00:41:16 250, 300 yards wide. And we would sit on one side of the clearing and watch to the other side because the other side of that clearing when that tree line hit was all marshland. So my uncle was sitting on one side of the property. I was sitting on the other side of the property. I was sitting in a tree stand, probably 18 feet in the air. And I was just scanning.
Starting point is 00:41:40 I was sitting up there with my 243 and I was just scanning. Watching through the scope, looking at the tree line, there was a slight fog that it rolled in. It was probably 4.30, 5 o'clock in the morning. So I was just barely coming up on the horizon behind us. And so it's like this light blue gray across the entire field. And this slight fog has come through.
Starting point is 00:42:08 And I was scanning across the tree line, and at some point I crossed over a pair of shoulders. And I stopped and I took a closer look. And right in between three, like a group of trees, was the upper torso and head that I could see of something. And I stared at it for about 30 seconds. And then I watched its head go up like a deer does when it sniffs the wind, you know? I felt the wind come across the back of my neck across that field.
Starting point is 00:42:56 And then it turned and it walked across and walked back into the woods and disappeared into the distance. It was for maybe 30 seconds. But it was like staring across the field, caught my wind, and then just took off and was gone. It didn't run. It didn't jog. It just turned around and walked back into the trees and was gone. And I killed a sick of deer that day. Similar to what you had seen in North Carolina?
Starting point is 00:43:37 Yeah. I would say similar. I couldn't really gauge how big it was because how far it was. It was 300 yards in the distance looking through a rifle scope. I couldn't really tell you how big it was or how much. how big it wasn't. But I know that it was definitely not the shoulders of a person.
Starting point is 00:43:58 It wasn't a human. The shoulders were massive and broad and like you could see the traps connecting with the neck. There was almost a lack of neck length because of how
Starting point is 00:44:12 broad and muscular the shoulders and neck was. And I couldn't see any detail because of the fog. It was just like an outline almost, you know, like a, almost like a shadow figure if you were ghost hunting. It was just there. And then it turned and it was gone.
Starting point is 00:44:31 When you are deer hunting, do you leave any part of it behind? So, yeah, when we sick a hunt and when we white tail hunt, a lot of times what we do is we quarter out and carry out. So we'll live butcher for the most part right there on the kill site. So we'll take our legs, we'll take all our backstabs, we'll take all the cuts that we want. We go in with mylar bags, mylar lined bags to protect from the heat if we're hunting in the center of them. And yeah, we'll go with backpacks. We'll cut everything up, toss everything in bags, strap it on our back, and hike it out. So a lot of times we'll be leaving behind the head, the guts, the skin most of the time.
Starting point is 00:45:28 Like, you're going to have the lower ends of the legs because we're not going to carry all that out. We're taking the desirables. And then what we do is, or at least what I do, is, you know, like my father told me, I say a prayer. I think animal animal for its sacrifice and then I leave the rest for Mother Nature to take care of. Especially when it's a larger deer because that's a lot of food for a lot of something. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:46:03 I mean, if you're going down the trail of they're able to know intentions, then it might make sense that they're in the same area as they know you're going to be hunting, especially if they know that you're going to not be taking the whole animal if you get an animal. I don't know if that's... I don't know. Who knows?
Starting point is 00:46:25 But it's very interesting. It's funny that you say that because a buddy a buddy a man a couple years ago, actually, this was probably 2021. He told me we were hanging out in Discord one night. And he was like, dude, I went hunting this weekend. And I killed a deer and I quartered it out and I carried it out to the truck. And I realized after I got to the truck that I'd left my knife stuck in the ground at the kill. Because he had gutted this deer and cut it all up. And he had stuck his knife in the ground instead of putting it back in the sheath because he wanted to clean it off before he put it away.
Starting point is 00:47:09 And he goes, so I put meat in the truck in the cooler. And I hiked back out to the kill site, and my knife is still stuck in the ground, but the rest of that carcass was gone. And he had killed like a 200-pound white tail. Oh, wow. So, like, that was, it was a decent amount of carcats left there. And he said it was all gone. He said the only thing that was left was blood residue on the grass. But every bit of scrap was gone.
Starting point is 00:47:43 Like somebody come up there and scooped it up in their arms and took off of it. Sure. Man, this is so interesting to think about it this way. So that was a quick but interesting thing that happened on the eastern side of Maryland. Yeah, eastern shore of Maryland. This was like probably 40 minutes from, it was between the Delaware and Ocean City line. Between Delaware and Ocean City, Maryland, up in the Marklands. At this time, you said you're about 18 years old?
Starting point is 00:48:18 Yeah, so I was just about 18 in that range. It was probably 2013. In 2015, I moved to Arkansas. And I lived there for, I lived there from 2015 to 2020. I moved back to Maryland just about two months before the pandemic there. So I was there for a good five years. and while I lived in Arkansas is where I kind of got really deep into bushcraft
Starting point is 00:49:00 right so I would I worked for a vape shop that's what I did for a number of years I worked for vape shops and whenever I had time away if I had like a long weekend or anything like that I would go off into the woods and you know the part of Arkansas that I lived in
Starting point is 00:49:17 was on the spring river like up in the Ozarks there was thousands upon thousands upon thousands of acres of unexplored everything. And I had walked the Spring River one weekend and found a little location that I liked. There was about, I'd say, it was probably a quarter mile walk from the river itself to where I found, and it was just a small clearing, probably 15 feet, 20 feet wide, where there wasn't, you know, any brush or anything like that. still had good tree cover, so it was good for staying out of the sun and everything. And I started slowly but surely building a semi-permanent bushcraft camp there.
Starting point is 00:50:05 And I would go up every weekend I got the chance. And I would spend a night or two or one night or two nights, whatever I could. I would stay up there. And I would build the camp up and build bushcraft first. I would carve spoons and bowls, the whole not. Just enjoying being in nature. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. If data management is slowing down your business,
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Starting point is 00:52:16 And I made it a very, very strict rule that when I went out there, I would not take my phone because it was my escape. You know, I didn't want deal with the rest of the world while I was out there. So I would leave my phone at home.
Starting point is 00:52:29 I bought a Garmin commander GPS tracker and I would let somebody that I was friends with know like hey this is where I'm going my coordinates is where I'm going to be if I don't come back send somebody looking for me
Starting point is 00:52:44 and this was so this probably happened let's see what year was it I had been there for two and a half years so it was probably like October to November of 2017 And I went up on a cold weekend. I had five days off.
Starting point is 00:53:11 I had asked for a couple of days off, and I worked a couple of extra shifts to cover myself so that I could still make bills. And I took five days off in the woods. And I left at probably three in the morning on Sunday. and it was a probably three and a four-hour hike somewhere I would drop the shop off and I would hike into this into this little camp that I'd made.
Starting point is 00:53:46 So I hiked in, I got there probably 7.30, 8 o'clock in the morning, and I started to unpack and get camp set up and cleaned up, you know, brush all the spiderwebs off and all that, get the fire pit ready. And from probably the first hour I was there, I had that feeling of being watched. And it happened really fast. It happened so fast, in fact, that I didn't really realize it right away, because I thought that it was just nerves from just getting out there. But after a few hours of being at the camp and, you know, I was collecting firewood.
Starting point is 00:54:30 I was walking all around these woods, right? and I started to notice that every time I would walk somewhere, there would be another set of footsteps. And they would follow me. And if I stopped, they would stop, but it would always stop like a half a step after me. So you could definitely tell there was something I was walking.
Starting point is 00:54:50 I walked around a collected firewood. I walked around looking for rocks for the fire pit, the whole nine. I walked around cutting like little three, rounds down so that I could continue building up the shelter. And the whole time that I was doing this was just my footsteps and another set of footsteps. And I started to wonder if I was having another experience. So I'm sitting inside the shelter.
Starting point is 00:55:28 The way that I had the shelter built was like an A-frame shelter that had a-frame shelter that had a, tarpa over the back of it. I had a clear plastic like painters, painters cloth down on the front so that when the fire was going at night, it would radiate heat through it, but not permeate back out. So it would hold
Starting point is 00:55:47 heat inside the shelter. After that, there was walls that I'd built up with dead standing and like little two inch rounds that I'd cut down that went around the shelter. And then there was a like a firewall that I'd put up with with branches and stuff
Starting point is 00:56:06 I had lined it with a like a space blanket to reflect heat back towards the shelter and the fire pit was in front of it so I have this probably 10 foot 12 foot round circle of wood that I've built into this little camp I'm sitting inside the shelter I've got the cloth up over the top of it because it's still daylight out and I'm just sitting in there I'm having one I'm sitting there eating, and I start to hear the footsteps walking around me. But they're probably like 75 yards out. I could just barely hear them.
Starting point is 00:56:46 But it was heavy footfall, like a person, but heavier. And I could hear it walking and walking and walking. And then I would think to myself, what is that walking out there? I'd ever said it out loud, but I would think it. Like, what the heck is out there walking? And every time I would think that, it would stop. And then I would go back to eating my lunch, and it would start walking again. And it walked in circles all the way around my camp for about an hour
Starting point is 00:57:20 while I sat there eating and just relaxing. That night, I'm sitting there with the fire going, and, you know, I had hiked out there with a harmonic. So I'm sitting there playing the harmonica, you know, relaxing by the fire, probably about to call it quits for the night and get some rest. And it's just after sundown, probably 8 o'clock in the evening, 9 o'clock in the evening, somewhere in there. And I can start hearing that foot them footsteps again.
Starting point is 00:57:56 And I remember thinking to myself, I don't know what you are, but I hear you. And it stopped. And then I heard the footsteps come. from 50, 75 yards out to about 15 feet from the back of my shelter. And I couldn't see anything back there because it was all wood and tarp back there. It was all closed off to keep any critters out. But it was probably 15 feet from the back of my shelter. And it stood there and I could hear it breathing.
Starting point is 00:58:33 And it sounded like, I don't even know how to explain it. It sounded like an exhaust almost. Like it sounded like turbulent air. And it was loud. And then I remember saying, who's out there? And then it turned around and walked back off. And I never, like, I couldn't stand up. There was no part of me that was like, let me look and see what this is.
Starting point is 00:59:08 Every part of me was like, just sit there and be quiet. later that night and throughout the next few nights, I would still hear it walking around in the perimeter around my camp. It would throughout the night it would come closer to the camp and then it would walk back away and then it would come closer again and then would walk back away. And I think it was probably the third night. It was in the afternoon. So it was probably day three. And I'm sitting in the camp and I'm carvings, spin. and it had been silent for like an hour.
Starting point is 00:59:49 It was just the birds chirping and the squirrels jumping through the trees. And I'm sitting there carving carving spoons. And the next thing I know, I noticed that all the sounds had stopped. And it got eerily quiet. And then slowly but surely through the distance, I heard those footsteps again. And they were coming from off to the right. towards the back of my shelter, but coming straight towards me. And this was the moment that I realized that in my belief,
Starting point is 01:00:31 the Cherokee people were right. Because I thought to myself, didn't say it out loud. This was just a thought in my head. And I said, I can hear you. And it stopped. And then I thought to myself, if you want me to leave, just say so. And then
Starting point is 01:00:57 I heard its voice for the first time. And I I'll explain to you how the voice goes, but there's an actual, there's actually a YouTube channel
Starting point is 01:01:11 that I found about two years after this experience that verified everything for me. And I had never, I had never heard anything like it before.
Starting point is 01:01:22 But I said, I thought to myself, like, if you want me to leave, just tell me. And it went, no. And then it went deadly silent. And I said, okay. And I went back to carbon my wooden spoons.
Starting point is 01:01:43 And it turned around and it walked back out a little bit. And then started doing circles around the camping out. After that, it was just circling me for a couple hours. And then I started to notice, like, as the evening came on, that there was more than one set of footsteps. and I would hear it in front of my camp, I would hear it behind my camp, then I would hear it to the right of my camp, and then I would hear it to the left of my camp.
Starting point is 01:02:11 But it was always too close for it to be one. So there would be 30 seconds between hearing footsteps out to my right and out to my left. So there was at least two at all times. And I started to talk out loud to. them saying things like, you know, I'm just here, just here to visit. I'm not trying to encroach on your land. I don't want no problems. Just here to hang out.
Starting point is 01:02:50 And at some point, they started to, I think, get comfortable because I would hear communication between the two of them. and they were everything from whistles to whoops sometimes they would just whistle at each other sometimes they would whoop at each other and sometimes they would it was almost like chatter like gibberish it wasn't anything that I could make out
Starting point is 01:03:25 but it was like this deep gutteral um the only way that I've ever been able to imitate it was by by doing like throat bass because I used to beatbox but they would you would hear it in the distance
Starting point is 01:03:42 like just sounds is what I thought it was but it was so loud and so like deep and gutterole that it was not something that a human could produce and I would hear it on my right I would hear it on my left
Starting point is 01:04:02 and I would hear it out in front of me then I would hear it back behind me and it was always like different sounds like they were speaking to each other in a different language and they went like that through the entire day of day four whoops hollers the you know the chatter the different vocalizations all through day four and then on the morning of day five
Starting point is 01:04:35 when I was getting up to leave I was packing all my things into my backpack. And I could hear them back behind my shelter. There was a couple of them. And it sounded like they were kind of grouped up a little bit watching me. And I was pulling my tarp down and, like, you know, rolling my tarp up and folding it up and packing it away and grabbing, like, my cook kit and everything and packing everything away.
Starting point is 01:05:04 And I started getting these little pebbles, like an inch. in diameter, little smooth stone pebbles would get tossed over the top of my shelter and they would land on the other side of my shelter near the fire pit. It happened like 10 or 15 times and eventually I was like I'll come back someday guys. I'm just leave I'm, I got to go back. I got to go home
Starting point is 01:05:35 and it stopped. And then I heard a couple sets of footsteps walk away from the shelter and disappear into the distance and I didn't hear anything else until I left. And I hiked back out, got to my truck and I went home. But it was five days
Starting point is 01:05:56 of like constant, it was almost like a habitual situation. Like they were there the entire time. They were always watching me. It was almost as if there was a family and they had like shift work. watching what I was doing.
Starting point is 01:06:15 Because there was always at least one around. I never saw them, never even got a glimpse, never even thought that I saw them. But I do know that every time that I had a thought. If data management is slowing down your business, you need the Intuit ERP. If one entity is here and one here and one here and one here, you need the Intuit ERP.
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Starting point is 01:07:55 This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Trying to like say something, they would respond in some way. I don't know how you got through that, to be honest. Well, that's, so that's the thing, like, regardless of all this stuff happening, never once was I afraid. There was never, like, an ounce of fear put onto me. And, like, I've been in the woods with everything, pretty much every animal in the continental U.S., you know what I mean? Like, I've been charged by brown bear, or by black bears, I've been charged by hog. Like, I've been in some scary situations.
Starting point is 01:08:45 and even in my experience, when there's a bear within a hundred yards, I'm like, I don't want to be here. That bear is going to try to eat anything, and I'm going to have to shoot it. But never once, and I had a gun on me the entire time. Like, I don't go into the woods without a gun on me. But that whole time, I never felt anything but just curiosity. There was never an ounce of fear. It didn't feel like they were hunting me. I didn't feel threatened.
Starting point is 01:09:23 They were just trying to figure out what I was doing is what it felt like. It was just curiosity. Jackson, all this has given me a lot to think about for sure. Yeah, imagine how I felt. Yeah, no, I'm going to try to find that article that you had found. I'm honestly going to try to look that up. I don't know if you've seen, have you ever visited the channel, Sasquatch Ontario.
Starting point is 01:09:56 I've heard of it. Okay. So Sasquatch Ontario, I discovered his channel like a year and a half, two years after that this incident happened in Arkansas. And the vocalizations that he's recorded is exactly what I was hearing.
Starting point is 01:10:13 And he's like, he's got hours of recordings of not only Sasquatch vocalizing around him, but communicating with him vocally. They've learned his name. They've said words to him.
Starting point is 01:10:32 And it was like the way that that those vocals sound, like that guttural deep, like vibrato that just doesn't come out of a person is what I was hearing. Have you ever tried reaching out to him? I have not. I have not. I honestly like this, the story about this story that I just told you what happened in Arkansas. all I've only told two people. Wow.
Starting point is 01:10:57 Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And thank you for sharing this all today. I know this is a, it's probably hard to get back into that, that mindset, I would imagine as well. I wouldn't necessarily say it's hard. It's more like I can feel the shakes. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:11:22 It's one of the situations where you like, you, When I talk about it, I relive it. I can hear it all happening again. I can smell the smells. I can hear the sounds. I can feel the chills. You know what I mean? It's one of those kinds of things.
Starting point is 01:11:42 Do you still go out after this happened? Oh, it's whenever I get the chance, yeah. I mean, I've never shot away from the woods. And I still went back out to that same shelter, probably six, seven, eight more times. I've spent quite a few weekends out there at that shelter. And it never really happened again like that. I mean, I would hear, you know, footfall every once in a while, or I would hear twigs break every once in a while,
Starting point is 01:12:17 but it was nothing that I couldn't attribute to a passing deer or a skunk or anything else that the woods has to offer just passing through the area. but that weekend or that five days five day span was undeniably something i could not explain you know wow oh man jackson thank you thank you for for sharing all this if if listeners were listening carefully there's a lot you can take away from this um and it'll be interesting to see how this people after they hear it and I think some people might be reaching out as well after this
Starting point is 01:13:05 regarding certain things you were talking about like to do with intent and thoughts and things like that so yeah yeah it's such an interesting like thought thought process to go through but it the more that I thought about it over the years the more it made sense because you know there's been hundreds of stories of like search parties going out and looking for you know looking for soft squads or you know looking for the creature in the night or whatever the case and they don't ever come back with anything they come back empty-handed every single time and if you know if something that big and that smart and that stealthy knows what you won't it ain't going near you that's for sure yeah if you're just out to make a documentary or you're out there to become rich and famous or to try to be the first one that bags one you're probably not going to have much happen i would guess yeah uh yeah it's it's it's a lot to think about and uh jackson i would get it sounds like is that the the most recent thing that has happened then
Starting point is 01:14:25 yeah yeah so that was that was the most recent like vivid interaction that I had was in Arkansas. If someone's asked you, you know, what do you think Bigfoot or Sasquatch is, what is your answer regarding that? So I've had this discussion with a few people before, and a lot of times people walk away from the discussion with a different view on things. but I have done a lot of research on Sasquatch and I have I've spent a lot of time in the woods and like as you know now
Starting point is 01:15:06 I've experienced some very interesting things and from all of the research that I've done and all the experiences that I've had my my best answer is that they are just another people with a lot higher ability than us, you know? Like, we're talking about a bipedal hominid that walks like us, acts like us, can talk like us,
Starting point is 01:15:40 uses language, uses tools, builds structure, probably buries it's dead because we're not out here fine in Sasquatch bones. You know, eats a balanced diet. Like there's been stories, there's been stories of people watching them pick berries. There's, you know,
Starting point is 01:16:07 people have seen them hunting bison. People have seen them hunting deer. They, you know, I, I gave them fish, you know, like we're talking about something
Starting point is 01:16:19 that is far more intelligent than anything else that we believe that we have in the woods. And through all those things, that's the way that I look at it. It's a much more advanced person. Extremely interesting. If you had the chance to see one again, would you be okay with that? 100%. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:45 100%. Yeah. Like I said, man, like I've, I never once had a shred of fear. Like, I never felt afraid. I was perfectly fine. I never was worried. I never, you know, like I said,
Starting point is 01:17:09 other than, you know, when I was young, like after being an adult going to the woods, I've never gone into the woods after the age of 18 without a pistol or a raffle. And even with that knowledge in my head, never reached for my gun. There was no need because I didn't think that they were going to hurt me. So, you know, if the chance ever does come up, then, yeah, more than happy to interact with
Starting point is 01:17:42 them again. More than happy to. Especially after, like, all the years of going through those, you know, those interactions and doing all the research that I have. learning all the things that I have because I feel like every experience that I would have in the future, each experience would just get more and more in depth. Absolutely. And Jackson, I appreciate you coming on the show today.
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