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Episode Date: July 16, 2025

Originally published on 5/10/24 as Episode 428.What happens when a seasoned outdoorsman takes his son deep into the forests of Eastern Oregon — and something begins screaming in the darkness? In thi...s spine-tingling episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron sits down with Dee, a listener from Wallowa County, who shares not one but two chilling encounters with Sasquatch. First, a late-night hunting trip in 1997 turns terrifying when screams echo through the canyons and a towering figure parts the trees. Then, ten years later, strange footsteps circle Dee’s tent — followed by a giant finger pressing into the nylon under moonlight. With eerie details like massive handprints, silent forests, and a scream that sent shivers down their spines, Dee’s story is one you won’t forget. You’ll also hear how his son — once scared into silence — grew up to become a fearless bushcrafter on a mission of his own. This is more than just a Bigfoot sighting. It’s a legacy passed between generations — and a mystery that still lingers in the shadows of Oregon’s wildest forests.🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Patreon – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereGoodchop (Better Meat): Check it OutSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn More🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072📧 Business Inquiries:bigfootsociety@gmail.com

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Starting point is 00:01:29 But deep in the forest of northeast Oregon, something else was waiting, screams that shook their bones in a shadow behind the trees and hands, massive gnarled hands, pulling branches apart to stare directly at them. What started as a quiet hunting trip became a night, neither would ever forget. This is the story of Dee and the Bigfoot that watched from the dark. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Dee tonight. Dee's a listener from the great state of Oregon, and he has a few encounters. to share, but how's it going tonight, Dee?
Starting point is 00:02:02 Going real good, Jeremiah. Awesome. I'm excited to hear. I've heard a little bit about what you've experienced, but I'm going to go ahead and give it right over to you. Feel free to share what you'd like about what you experienced. Sure. Well, I'd like to start out and give a little background.
Starting point is 00:02:22 I grew up in eastern Oregon, and I was out in the woods a lot. My grandpa was a logger, and he by hunted and fished with him, and he took me everywhere out in the woods. And with the experiences I had there, you know, at that time, very little known about Bigfoot, but never experienced anything. I've been around bears, cougars, you name it. I've had cougars within five feet of me. I've heard him scream. Bears have been even closer. So going into the story, I wanted to bring the same thing to my kids.
Starting point is 00:03:08 I had my son, and I took him everywhere with me. We were out in the woods a lot getting wood. We were hunting, fishing. And this one time, him and I were going to head out hunting. My brother, oldest brother, was going to bring his fifth wheel up in the woods. and we were going to use it. Well, my son and I decided to go early. So we went a day early
Starting point is 00:03:37 and we were just going to wait for my brother. Now, I've been out in the woods before. I've camped. I've dry camped. I've had tents. I've slept in pickups and everything else. So it was nothing unusual. If brother didn't show up,
Starting point is 00:03:52 we're just out in the woods. Well, we got up there, started getting dark. We were up above Olau. And I told him, you know, let's stop. Let's build us a fire and get something to eat. And at the time, my son was pretty close to 10 years old.
Starting point is 00:04:15 He hadn't quite, he was nine in a month to go, nine years in a month to go. And so we sat down, we found a spot. It was a wide and a road. And we pulled up in this clearing and we just kind of parked and lit us a fire and got out some stuff to eat. And we were eaten and the forest, now what was weird, when we were there, we had our fire going, but it was just completely quiet the minute the sun went down. Not a sound. And to me, that was strange because I hadn't encountered much of anything like that.
Starting point is 00:04:57 usually you hear something, crickets or something. You just hear something. It's just not that quiet. So we ate, we were talking, and, you know, a son kept asking me, his Uncle David's going to show up. And I said, well, he'll show up when he gets here. It's no big deal. And we talked for a couple hours just by the fire chatting.
Starting point is 00:05:23 Well, about 9.30 at a distance. Now, if I had to guess, I'd hate to guess because there's lots of draws around there in canyons, and something can sound far away, and it's not far away, or you hear it, and it sounds like it's close, but it's far away. It's just the way the sound echoes through those draws. And we heard something, a scream, and I'll tell you, once I heard a big foot scream, you know, I said, that was it. That was it. just oh my goodness loud but far away my son looks up at me with these big eyes he says
Starting point is 00:06:04 dad what is that ah said don't worry about it just I don't know animal holler no big deal now if you could have looked inside of me you would have seen me going oh man what is that this is this is awesome and scary at the same time because you don't know what it is I mean, it's pure darkness around us.
Starting point is 00:06:28 So he kind of says, well, I says, it's far away anyway. Don't worry about it. It's no big deal. So we were talking some more. And it was pretty close. The only reason I know the times is I was waiting for my brother, so I kept looking up my watch. But about a half hour or two an hour later, somewhere in there, another screen came.
Starting point is 00:06:54 and it was just absolutely positive the same scream as the Bigfoot ones I've heard. And I was just, and he looked at me this time, and he says, Dad, this is scaring me. I said, don't worry about it. We're fine. There's nothing out here going to get us. And, of course, inside I was saying, let's getting closer. and my first thought was let's get out of there
Starting point is 00:07:25 you know just something inside me just didn't want to stay and I thought now we got to got to we just got to stay here because I want to meet my brother up there and it was 1130 because I looked at my watch it was 1130 and that thing was right across the road and it screamed.
Starting point is 00:07:53 And right now, even talking about it, I get chills up by back. It was horrendous. And my son jumped up and he almost started crying. He wanted to get in the truck. I says, well, let's get in the truck and we'll drive down to town. And you could hear rustling in the brush
Starting point is 00:08:16 a little bit, not real loud, but rustling. But that scream, like I said, I've been around Cougar screams and never, ever have I had chills up my spine like that. And it was so loud. So we got in the truck and I started up the truck and we made a loop around to get turned around to go out the road. well the trees weren't that far away from the road if I had to say it was about 50 yards but we turned around and when our headlights came across that
Starting point is 00:08:58 there was hands and the top of a head looking through a couple of the trees it was just I stopped for a second look just because I'm not seeing this and my son just looked at him he says dad let's get out of here that thing's huge.
Starting point is 00:09:18 You saw the hands, and they had two trees split apart, two smaller trees. They were pretty close to when I stood under him, because we went up the next day, but I stood under where it was about, I was not even halfway, so they were probably 10, 10 to 11 feet tall. He had them spread apart, was looking through them. And then when we sat there for a few minutes, the hands went back and the trees were swaying and we got out of there and at first I wanted to stay I wanted to see more but then I thought for the safety of my son that's you know I got to protect the kids more than anything and when it comes to wild animals you don't really know what they're
Starting point is 00:10:06 going to do I don't trust them don't trust wild animals whatsoever because they could be really good but then they can turn on you. So anyway, we saw that. My son had tears at his eyes because he was just, I think he was going into shock myself. And we got down to town and down into the town and pulled off somewhere. And, you know, neither one of us slept that night to wake up the next morning to go hunting. And then my brother finally made it up.
Starting point is 00:10:46 And we went back up in the woods to where we were camped. And like I said, I walked across the road and stood by those trees that were right next to the road. And I was a midget to those trees. And when I looked, I looked up to see how high they were. The thing had to be nine to ten feet tall, if not a little taller. and started scouring for tracks. And there was, the ground was real hard, but the tall grass. The only thing you could see was the pathway to where it came in.
Starting point is 00:11:29 And I took my son with me, and we tracked it. We tracked the walking as far. as we could. And I'm no amateur tracking. I'm not an expert, but I've tracked a lot of game. And we actually followed it to where it went up over the hill and then went down into the straw.
Starting point is 00:11:55 And we never found, there was never a good track. Like I said, the ground was pretty hard, but you can see the grass being laid over. And the only reason I say I know was, it was a bakefoot was because the grass that was laid over was huge compared to my foot.
Starting point is 00:12:21 I tried to show my son, I said, see, you put your foot down. And he says, well, yeah, but yours is only half of what that one is. I said, that's what I'm saying. I know what we saw, and I know what we were following. And we tracked it down as far as I wanted to go. because it got real thick and steep. And you could see through the brush where the grass was where it was laid down and you could see it where it went down into the draw.
Starting point is 00:12:54 Well, the biggest thing about this was number one, I wasn't looking for Bigfoot. And number two is it was the least expected thing I would ever see. there was we weren't we were we were I wasn't prepared to see it as far as like we're out hunting Bigfoot we were out deer hunting or going to be deer hunting the next day or two but and I think that's what surprised me the most and in the area that we saw it in what was it doing there there's there's so many people out in the woods at that time
Starting point is 00:13:35 and it was just a strange occurrence and I know that I'll never forget it that that's exactly never forget it that was the hands I saw the fingers I didn't see thumbs I just saw the fingers hold the trees back looking through them and the hands were just huge
Starting point is 00:14:01 were dark colored but had wrinkles on the knuckles, just like a human. And the top of the head was covered with hair. It was just hairy in it. Oh, the thing was just, I can't imagine how tall it was because it had to be 10, 11 feet tall. And I was just, I was shook up, I think, just as much of my son, but I wasn't showing him.
Starting point is 00:14:30 I didn't want him scared of the woods. is the main thing. That's the last thing I wanted him to be scared to go out in the woods. But we followed it. I looked for tracks. Couldn't find anything. Not the track to where you could do any
Starting point is 00:14:49 casts or anything. But it had a big stride. Now this is, like I said, with the grass laid over, it was just almost three strides of bind which my stride is exactly three feet. And so his stride was about six foot, five foot, six foot strides. And that was, that was all we saw the whole time we were up there,
Starting point is 00:15:21 because I was hoping to see it again, but never did. So we're in northeast Oregon. And did you say north of Wallowa? Wallowa. Okay. The city of, Willowah, yeah. Is this in like a wildlife area or a state park or? No, there's a lot of federal forest service up there and it used to be a lot of it owned by Boise Cascade. But I think they sold it to a land company Hancock or something. But it's mainly, you know, public, anybody in the public can get up in it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:05 Gotcha. Scott and the patron, he's got a question, and it's a good one. What was your relation to the concept of Bigfoot? Were you a Bigfoot believer before this event happened? I think they'd put it this way. I was and wasn't. Okay, I got an open mind always did. and I first remember my grandpa having a
Starting point is 00:16:36 some type of wildlife magazine where they had the film from gosh I can't think of it now or they had a picture from the Patterson Giblin film about Bigfoot well I read the article but I looked at my grandpa and said hey grandpa what do you think about Bigfoot there you go Bigfoot that's all he said
Starting point is 00:17:00 but then I started learning more about it as I went along and even back then they didn't have much on it there was a few books out there and of course I went to the library and got a few books and read about it but the way I looked at it was you know I got an open mind but until I see it I'm not going to believe it
Starting point is 00:17:24 fully I saw it I believe it so I wasn't a full believer, but I wasn't a total skeptic either, if that makes sense. Yeah, no, it definitely does. And this wasn't like you and your son, we're like, okay, we're going on a Bigfoot hunt. Like, you were just trying to get out and enjoy nature, and this just happened to happen. And that's the whole thing about it. And that's why I think sometimes when anybody, whether it be me or anybody else,
Starting point is 00:17:57 sometimes I think when we go out looking for Bigfoot, I don't think you're going to, I've not seen one go out there looking for it. All mine have happened when I'm not out there, Bigfoot hunting. I'm just out in the woods and enjoying some time. And that's the thing that got me the most because this wooded area I'm talking about, I started hunting and getting wood with my grandpa when I was eight years old. and I'd been through all those woods with him. He logged them all, so he took me everywhere up in there all over.
Starting point is 00:18:39 There wasn't a bit of that country I didn't see. And I figured, well, it's too close to a town. You know, it's probably 30 miles to the nearest town out of the woods. But, you know, it's kind of close to town, so you'd never see a big foot out here. you know that was kind of my shot growing up and my wife is he had started hunting at eight years old with my grandpa and he's put me out on walks and said walk down this hill and I'll meet you down at the road you know type thing where nowadays I wouldn't have let my kids do it because I'd be too scared to get lost but it was not it was not the perfect setting to go find big foot we weren't 30 miles or 40 miles back in the wilderness
Starting point is 00:19:27 where nobody goes. This is where people are, which really had me, just had me amazed at the chance I had to see it. Oh, absolutely. Man, Dee, I think there's a chance your grandpa probably saw something
Starting point is 00:19:49 at one time or another. I just have a feeling, but I've got, you know, I'm just kind of guessing. Well, I'm thinking he started logging out in the woods in 1930 and got his own logging company in 41 and sold out in 69. I believe he was doing what I was doing to my son. And I think he was wanting to not make me scared to go out of the woods. He knew if, you know, he knew if I told him, yeah, you're just.
Starting point is 00:20:26 big foot out there, they're big. You never know what's going to happen, blah, blah, blah. You know, at eight years old or so, I would have been scared to go out in the woods. I'm scared to death. Yeah. He probably, you know, he probably was doing something like that. Yeah, I could definitely see that. But what year again was this that you and your son had the experience?
Starting point is 00:20:52 It was 1997. Okay. Thinking back to when you saw the head and the fingers, did you get a chance to see like what kind of the shape of the head was at all? Or did you remember anything that you saw about the head for details? The head part I saw was just covered with hair. If I remember, it had a little bit of a code shape, but it wasn't prominent. You know, it wasn't like a pyramid sitting on somebody's head. but it was raised a little bit.
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Starting point is 00:23:35 Because I could see them just clear as day. I mean, they were wrapped around the tree, pulling these two small trees apart. I know it was looking over him, but I just caught it when I came around with the lights and stopped to where he had enough time to put it up over his face. But yeah, I didn't really, I saw the hair, and it looked like maybe a coat shape, but I was looking. at the hands because they were just right out there in the open, more or less. The screams, you said you've heard this, you heard the screams a few times. Are those, can you describe, you know, there's a few different, you know, we hear the Bigfoot sounds on the different types of media.
Starting point is 00:24:19 There's different types. Is there any way you can kind of describe maybe what type of scream or is like Ohio howl or anything like that? um well i'm trying to think it kind of mimicked some of the
Starting point is 00:24:36 there's a couple sounds on i think fighting bigfoot that they had tapes of that were were really close okay not exact but
Starting point is 00:24:51 it was the low tone or it was high then low and then kind of a low high again. It was just kind of a, but it was the direction that killed me.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Because usually Kyle, you know, they'll how when it's a few seconds. This seemed like it was for about eight to ten seconds and it was a loud scream, loud. And it didn't, and it wasn't
Starting point is 00:25:21 like a cougar scream either. And I've heard them plenty of times. And it was nothing even close, too short of a call, a Cougar is too short of a call to match this. All I know is when it got across the road and it screamed, every hair on my body stood up. It didn't shake you, but you were physically shaking of just hearing that scream that close. It was awesome. Now I think it's awesome. Back then, I was scared to death. Your son is around 35 right now. I think if I do the math.
Starting point is 00:26:03 How did this affect him later in life as an adult if it did? You know what? It hasn't. He does bushcraft survival things. You know, go out in the woods with his knife and and a hatchet sometimes and just stay for three or four days out in the woods, just living off the land and what's there. it didn't affect him in a way. In fact, I think it made it the other way. Now he's not afraid and he wants to find it type thing.
Starting point is 00:26:45 So it actually did good instead of bad. That is extremely interesting. So I guess he's probably out in Oregon doing his thing, bushcrafting out there. yeah he he lives in a southern part of Oregon southwest yeah he he he's actually I'd actually you know now that I never thought of it that way but it's kind of with the opposite way and he's he's not afraid of anything
Starting point is 00:27:13 he just he just wants to see it again he says well if I see it I see it dad I says yeah we all will hopefully someday again but that's really really interesting if he ever does have any encounters, you know, keep me in mind for sure. So now I will let you continue with what happens next, which the listeners are probably like, okay, what happens next?
Starting point is 00:27:51 Yeah, and this was awesome. I mean, you know, it's the few occasions I've had that this was incredible and I was thrilled but now jump forward to 2007 we were we decided a wife wanted to take up
Starting point is 00:28:14 some hunting so I took her up there to go hunting and so we get up there pitch our tent and get all camps set up and we have a we have a cabin tent that's 10 by 12 and it's 7 and a half feet tall so we could stand up at our tents and everything so it's just her and I and the dogs so we had I think five dogs at that time four dogs at that time
Starting point is 00:28:45 and they were four chihuahuas believe it or not and we were we got up there the first night and it like I said it was again quiet it was just the forest was too quiet no coyotes no nothing kind of strange but oh well we just went out our way the first night was just
Starting point is 00:29:11 nothing doesn't happen second night nothing happened and then the third night it was quiet again and we got done with the fire, got done with dinner, and we decided that, well, it's time to go to bed.
Starting point is 00:29:32 And it was supposed to rain that night. So we took a tarp and laid it over half the tent on the backside and halfway over the front so that we could still get out the front of the tent without messing with the tarp. Well, the wind blew the tarp off the tent, of course, and this was later, I was getting
Starting point is 00:30:04 ready for bed, so I said, oh well, if it rains, I guess we'll hope the tent's waterproof, whatever, I'm tired. But we were sitting there, and I was getting ready for bed. And on the tarp, you heard a footstep.
Starting point is 00:30:23 And the tarp crinkled and then crinkled again and I'm going and looked at my wife and said be real quiet something out there she goes
Starting point is 00:30:38 oh it's probably someone just messing there it's the cows because there was some cows around camp and I says if a cow was stepping on that tarp you'd hear all four legs you'd hear all four feet I've then worked on a cow rats for a while
Starting point is 00:30:54 You can hear cows coming. I know their steps. This is not a cow. So just sat real quiet. And it kept coming around. It kept coming around the side of the tent real slow. But you could hear it. My wife says this is a bear.
Starting point is 00:31:14 And I says, no, it's not a bear. This is something else. So I just sat there. And as I was, listening, it made its way around to the front of the tent, which was kind of strange. And I thought, well, my first thought was maybe someone's out there bested with us. And I just stayed there and watched. I did have a shotgun in the tent with me. And I thought, well, I'll just wait and see what's going on. and it kind of was like those creep shows
Starting point is 00:31:56 like maybe what's going to happen to X? What's going on? Because you heard it walk all the way around in the front of the tent. And all of a sudden, up on clear of the top of the tent, not far from the center, probably maybe six to eight inches from the center,
Starting point is 00:32:16 you see a finger scratching the tent like they're feeling it. And you could see the finger through, you know, not through the tent, but the way the tent folds, you know, with tents that nylon. And it was scratched the tent, like feeling something or something. And I looked at my wife and says, well, enough's enough. And I think I racked the shotgun and I heard it run off. So, why says, well, somebody's messing.
Starting point is 00:32:52 I said, you saw that. And she goes, yeah, I did. I said, that was a finger because it pushed down on the tent and rubbing it, like scratching it with its fingernail. And she says, yeah, I did. I saw it. No big deal. I said, no, that was Bigfoot. She says, no, it wasn't.
Starting point is 00:33:11 I said, yeah, it was because we'd seen him up here before. And I says, that was him. And she goes, I'll think so. so the next morning well we went out hunting that morning but came back early and of course I went
Starting point is 00:33:28 looking for tracks and I could find some it was dusty where we were at I could see some dust spurred up but I couldn't really make out nothing but maybe a heel track being a heel part of the heel
Starting point is 00:33:43 so then I thought okay I've got a try this. I went over to the tent and if that was somebody's finger, they had to be pretty tall because I'm only 5'9, 5'10, and I couldn't even hardly reach up over the, well, I could just reach over the edge of the tent. Okay, that's far from the head. Now this thing's 10 foot, 10 foot in length that tent is. And it was reaching halfway over. Six. seven foot high, six foot over. And I started, I grabbed a stick and I says,
Starting point is 00:34:27 now you get in the tent and you look up. So I took a stick, put it down on there and moved it. And she goes, that's not even close to what it was. And so I tried different things to see if, you know, if I was being best with. And I couldn't do the same thing that we saw. saw. And I told her, I said, you know, this is the same thing that happened before. The forest was quiet. For those three or four days, the forest was just dead quiet at night. No coyotes, no nothing. And it's the same area. And I just come to the conclusion that, that, it's the same area. And I just come to the conclusion that, that, it's the same area. And I, it just happens when you least expect it
Starting point is 00:35:21 because that Bigfoot was the last thing on my mind while we were up there. But when I heard it walk around that tent, I mean, it's almost you could feel it, but you couldn't see it and you could hear it. And just the steps, the steps, it was, I like it was sneaking up because you could just hear it hit that thing and to reach over across the top of that. tent there's no way there's no way anybody could have done that without falling in on the tent even
Starting point is 00:35:57 if they were standing on something but that was the that was the second experience in the same area just 10 years later dee that is that is wild did so after that was that enough so you're like i'm not going back there anymore or is it a thing where i might go back there again someday. No, it came to the point to where it was, I'm going back there again. Okay. I got excited. That time I got excited.
Starting point is 00:36:35 I just, I had the dogs and the wife with me, but I was, I was like, I'm not crazy. Okay. You know, that was kind of my thing. It was like, in my own brain, it was, I'm not crazy. There is actually something up here, and it's Bigfoot. and I want to see it again. Would you go back there again for a third time? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:03 Oh, yeah. To have one more experience, I think it would be worth it now. Do I want to keep my distance? Yeah, I really don't want to come face to face with her. You know, I mean, I do and I don't. Like I said, it's an animal. You don't know what might happen.
Starting point is 00:37:24 I like the distance, but I am not afraid. I'm more curious than afraid to see it again. I want to see more of it. People that have actually seen their faces, that type of thing. I'd love to experience that part. But it hasn't made me scared to go in the woods at all. It's made me more curious. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:37:56 Would you be able to mark on a map the general area where this happened? I feel like there's got to be other people that have experienced stuff in the same area. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I can't. I mark it on a map and send it to you. I just, I have a feeling. That would be, that would be great. Scott's a good guy.
Starting point is 00:38:19 He's got a very similar way of thinking as I do. So we're both have the same question. Do you know if there's been stories of other sightings or activity in that area, either prior to you camping there or afterwards? You know, I haven't heard of much activity, but I'll tell you, people over there really don't talk about it. If they would, people think they're crazy. It's the old way I think, and I think it's just like my grandpa was.
Starting point is 00:38:56 I mean, you know, they just don't talk about those things. You know, you guys are crazy, blah, blah, blah. I do know of a couple of reports back then that happened in the Minam Canyon, which is where those reports took place that I could find out or understand where they were at was probably, I don't know, maybe 15 to 20 miles away so I mean
Starting point is 00:39:34 it's not an outreach of them moving that far and I'm kind of on the I don't know my theory if I could say it is that I think they move around I think they almost
Starting point is 00:39:50 a small migration not a I don't think they're going from Alaska to California I don't really think to go that far. But I think they have their high ground and then they have their low ground and travel with the food. I really believe. And where we camped at is kind of the mid range between high and low.
Starting point is 00:40:16 And I kind of wondered if it wasn't, it was around in October, early October. and I almost wondered if they weren't starting to move down from their high ranges. And it was just kind of a migration path, you know, my theory. Were both times in October? Yeah. Okay. Yep, there were. Because I hunted in those woods, but also my son and I went up there and did some hike,
Starting point is 00:40:51 and we'd go up there and just do some scout ground, just hiking. Never had, never saw anything, never had any interaction, never felt anything. Because sometimes if you bit out in the woods enough, you kind of feel things. You know, like, yeah, maybe we should go down there. Or you just, you got a gut feeling that maybe that's not good place to go. we hiked all over up there I never got that feeling of something's there
Starting point is 00:41:26 or something watching us or anything but that's what kind of amazed me because I'd been in the woods and been around those woods so much and then have both these things happened in the same place it was
Starting point is 00:41:43 kind of shocking because the the last thought in my mind I'd ever be able to have those experiences that close to where I was living. I was living in LaGrand at the time. But now it's in my area. I don't have to read books about it being in Washington,
Starting point is 00:42:11 California, and place else. It's right up there. And of course, as my son got older, we'd go looking for it, but we never found anything. Oh, so that is very interesting. So the times that you weren't looking, but the times that you were, that's very interesting. And that's why I've told some people that I've talked to,
Starting point is 00:42:38 I says, they say, well, I want to find Bigfoot, let's go Bigfoot. And I says, you'll never find it. I says, you need to go into the places. not expecting it and not be prepared for it. And I said, that's when you see it. That's what it all happens. And that's what's happened every time. And I saw now when I go out in the woods,
Starting point is 00:43:05 I hide the cameras and everything. So I'm not expected to see Bigfoot, but I'm sure I'm going to give a picture of it this time. Yeah, you see you're good to go. You have a camera with you and maybe even audio recorder. who knows. Yeah, audio recorder. And then what was it about,
Starting point is 00:43:27 I guess it's been 10 years, finally got night vision. And so, and that's been real handy. So, you know, I'm not the richest fellow. I can't afford the, all the fancy toys they have
Starting point is 00:43:44 for Bigfoot hunting. So, yeah, someday, someday I'll have them. Well, Dee, it has been a really interesting chat about an area I haven't really talked to a lot of people about. So it would be interesting to see what comes of this interview. Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you truly for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.
Starting point is 00:44:10 Dee's story sticks with you not just because of the towering creature in the woods, but because of the quiet fear, the awe and the raw emotion of a father trying to protect his son from something he couldn't. explain. So a huge thanks to Dee for opening up about these unforgettable nights in the Wallowa woods. They're reminding us that Bigfoot encounters don't always happen to those who go looking. If you enjoy this conversation, please subscribe to us on YouTube, hit the bell icon so you don't miss any new episodes, and share this one with a friend who's in a Bigfoot, Oregon, or real wilderness encounters. If you're listening to Apple podcast or Spotify, make sure you're following the show there. And if you'd be willing to leave us a review, it helps more. folks find us. If you or someone you know has had a Bigfoot encounter, especially in eastern Oregon
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