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Episode Date: September 8, 2023

Austin Brown is an individual from California.What follows is Austin’s story of what happened when he first met Tate Hieronymus and the Bigfoot journey that ensued.Austin’s witness account of the Hieronymus Thermal Footage Encounter in this episode is one of the most compelling I have heard in my years of being involved with this topic.Resources:https://www.instagram.com/austigram/To see Tate’s thermal footage - watch the below documentaries -Uncovering the Truth of Sasquatch by Tate Hieronymus - https://youtu.be/Or2WVmanEEk?feature=sharedThe SoCal Bigfoot Thermal Footage by Western Bigfoot Exploration - https://youtu.be/8FGzK6kS1X8?feature=sharedStay tuned to Tate’s channel for an episode on their follow up trip.Check out BROWN DWARF’S channel for some vlogs that might include some behind the scenes of Tate and Austin’s follow up trip:https://www.youtube.com/@browndwarf4200WATCH THE IOWA EPISODE IN THE “SASQUATCH: A SEARCH FOR SABE” DOCUMENTARY SERIES BY TATE HIERONYMUS // FIND OUT ALL ABOUT MY FIRST BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo8O4rvywzECall the Bigfoot Society BIGFOOT ENCOUNTER hotline! Have you seen a Sasquatch and would like to get what happened “off your chest” but don’t have time for an interview? NOW YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR TIME AND SHARE IT WITH THE WORLD! Share it here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsocietyTo unlock more bonus content and much more, become a supporting member of Bigfoot Society by joining the Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyBecome a Youtube Channel member here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinSupport Bigfoot Society one time by buying me a coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyTo pick up a Bigfoot Society shirt, stickers and more, check out our merch by heading on over to https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietySend me a voice message to potentially be used for the show by calling 515-809-0165Here’s a fun prompt - “Hey, my name’s [your name] and you’re listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast!”If you’d like to send me fan mail, Bigfoot related products to check out or written out Bigfoot encounters then you reach me at the following address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Join our private Facebook group "Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters" for a chance to connect with others who have had similar experiences. Follow the directions to ensure your entry is accepted.https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_linkTune in to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q) for new episodes of Bigfoot Society, and visit our website (www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com) for all the links mentioned above and more.Don't miss out on the Bigfoot action! ——Affiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases.This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.—— MY GEAR ——My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYMy Podcast Mic: https://amzn.to/3AlYwb9My Computer: https://amzn.to/40CCjQyMy Headphones: https://amzn.to/40A8gcrMy Webcam: https://amzn.to/3NqfddhThe best Bigfoot book: https://amzn.to/41x8IcNLose the weight along with me on Noom. Get 20% off your subscription with link below. (Consult your doctor first) https://noom.com/r/GdkaWNddL?1251Join Whatnot and pick up some sweet video games and vintage shirts. Use my link below and we both get $10 credit after you place your first order. https://whatnot.com/invite/bigfootsocietyLearn more and up your creative game with Skillshare. Use my link and get a $50 gift card.https://share.skillshare.com/bigfoots

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So let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Austin Brown tonight. He is from the great state of California and a mutual friend through Tate Hieronymus. How is it going tonight, Austin? It's going pretty good, Jeremiah. Doing even better now. Thank you.

Oh, yeah. It's a pleasure to have you on. I've been trying to chat with you. for quite a while since your name comes up in a few different things. You've been seen in a documentary or two maybe, but you've got some really interesting stories. So just very, very pleased to talk to you tonight. Is there anything else that the listeners would need to know about you

before we get going, Austin? Oh, thank you so much. No, I just so appreciate your patience and your persistence. since you've been very patient with me, and I haven't been getting it back as much as I should. But no, I mean, I can kind of start off with how I met Tate, if you like. Absolutely, yeah. So let's start with, yeah, the first story.

How did you meet that crazy guy, Tate Hieronymus, and kick off all this Bigfoot stuff? Yeah. Yeah, so it was kind of my first excursion away from home around 18 or 19. and my friend was going to go to Mexico for six months and kind of live cheaply. And the dollar goes really strong over there. And we ended up getting an apartment together, not for six months, but for over a year. And I ended up staying there for three years.

But being in Mexico, like I said, the dollar is super strong. And rent there was super cheap and utilities for super cheap and expenses for super cheap. So we split a place for, I think, $100 a month. So it was like $50 a month for each of us and then $50 on top of that for utilities, maybe little groceries here and there. And that was my other friend, completely different friend. But basically what happened is the dark night rises. It just come out.

And we were going to go see it in the theater. And we're going to meet up with a group of friends. and so we went to see the Dark Night Rises, and of course it was fantastic, and they had a group of friends, and they introduced us to this person, Tate, Taderonomus. And it was at that time that I discovered

that he had watched the Dark Night Rises like five times already within the span of like a few days, and I began to understand that he's a bit of an enthusiast, right? And so as we sort of lived in Mexico, sort of side by side, he lived a few miles away from me,

he would invite me to stuff. You know, I've always kind of been an introvert, kind of a stay home on the computer or playing video games or watching movies or this or that. And it tastes a little like that too, but he's more of an outdoorsy type. And so in Mexico, we would go to the Bufidora, we would go to mountains, we would go to hot springs,

and we'd go to all these different places. And he began to describe to me sort of his history and his fascination and his, and his interest with Bigfoot. And for him, I think it started at an early age. I think he kind of grew up watching that Finding Bigfoot TV show on Animal Planet. And I never really grew up with TV. TV was one of the things I didn't really have.

We had, you know, Internet and we had movies, but not so much TV because we didn't like to watch TV too much for whatever reason in our house. But he had a fascination for it. And I think his dad showed him the Patterson Gimlin film. And I think he may have actually seen that Patterson. in film like in theater in several different places. So he kind of described that to me. And every now and then, he'd say, hey, you want to go do some Bigfoot researching? Do you want to go over here to these woods? Do you want to go over there to those mountains? And I never personally

had an interest in Bigfoot. Like I said, we didn't have TV. So I didn't watch the Finding Bigfoot TV show. I never grew up watching the Patterson Gimlin film. I never had any family members, never grew up around any mountains. You know, I grew up in Ventura, California, which is a beach town. It's in Southern California. Most of the stuff we do here is go to the beach and go to restaurants,

and we don't really do much time in the mountains or in the woods and stuff like that. But Tate was kind of always bringing me out to do a fun Bigfoot research excursions. And as little interest I have in Bigfoot, I just wanted to tag along with my friend.

And that's kind of how it's been in the beginning. And it's still that way now. I still don't have much interested in Bigfoot. But Tatecher does. And, you know, in the same way that he was interested in certain things. He's especially interested in that. That's an incredible way to meet someone through a great movie.

The Dark Night Rises. So good, right? And you've been along for the ride, quite literally, for Bigfoot. but I'm curious. So he probably, he's very persistent in trying to get you to do things. That's, he's a great guy. What was the first thing where you're like, all right, Tate, I'll go out. We'll go do something Bigfoot related.

We'll go, we'll go do some research out in the field. What was the first thing? I don't remember the first time. It might have been just to a little field. We might have done a couple knocks or some. something very simple. But the first major one, the major one that I remember that was serious that I took time off work to go do was to go to Bluff Creek, to go to where the actual Patterson-Gimlin film

site was filmed. And little did I know that it would end up being like a 20-hour drive to get there. And it would be such a harrowing experience just to exist in camp there, let alone find the actual site, you know, where the video was taken. But yeah, so that was the first time. I don't remember exactly the first time that we went. It was quite a while ago. But we went with him, we went with his dad, and we went with his dad's friend, and obviously me.

And like I said, that was like a 20-hour drive. And, you know, Tate did all the research. He did all the work. It was really incredible. He found out the whole route how to get there. He planted it all out on Google Maps, and he downloaded maps onto his phone so that even if he lost service, and he did lose service, we'd still be able to find our way. And Jeremiah, I mean, there were multiple, multiple times.

I mean, we were in two separate cars. I think I was in Tate's truck, and then Tate's dad and his friend were in a different truck or something like that. We had walkie-tockeys who were walkie-talkie back and forth. And we all had no faith in Tate, Jeremiah. We had zero faith in it. We started to go off the beaten trail. It's not looking like there's a road here.

We got no idea what's going on. And Tate's, just trust me, trust me, trust me, I planned it all out. And then a couple of times I hear tape No, oh wait, no, not that way You should be that way You're sorry You left down You don't even know what you're doing

But lo and behold We got there And it was really something Jeremiah We got to What is it? Laos camp I think that's what it's called

It's called Laos camp And we went there And gosh, it's just beautiful water And beautiful trees and that's when Tate was serious about looking for Bigfoot. What an incredible adventure sounds like. Was this around 2016, do you think? I feel like it was before that.

Okay. Yeah, I felt like it was even longer ago. I've seen a photo from Tate where it's, I believe it's you, Tate, when you and Tate when you met Cliff, Bobo, and Tom Yameron. Does that sound familiar? Do you remember that time meeting those guys? For sure. I mean, how could you forget?

Those guys, they're incredible. That was the second time we went. So the first time we went, it was with his dad and his friend. But the second time we went, it was just him and me. We just went alone. Yeah, the second time we went was in October of 2015. The first time we went, so July 2015. So we went almost a year later.

the first time we went out to last camp was back in 2015 and that's when we went with him and his dad and his friend and then the second time of course was in 2016 we went just him and me and that's when we ran into everybody

part of the lore that you always hear about going to this area is that there's always an issue with someone's car did you guys have any issues with cars you know blowing up a tire or anything like that that had to be addressed on the way there?

No, we were super fortunate, at least the first time we went. There was a lot of rocks and trees that were kind of in the middle of the roadway, and so we'd often have to get out of the cars. We'd have to move the trees. We'd have to roll the rocks down the mountain or something like that. That was the first time we went. But I do think the second time we went, Tate was going a little fast in his truck, and the side wall of his tire ended up.

nicking a rock and it tore his wheel just tore the tire right open you know but fortunately he had a spare and he knew pretty much how to fix it i didn't really know i didn't really know what i was doing but i was there for moral support of course and we got back on the road and ended up being okay absolutely you know one of the things i hear if you're going to try to do that route down there You want to have extra tire, maybe even extra gas, maybe even a chainsaw with you in case you come across a down tree that you can't just drag out of the way. But people need to realize it's a pretty crazy trip trying to go down to that film site. What did that film site? How did that come across to you as a person that maybe hadn't spent hours and hours looking into the Patterson Gimlin film?

but what do you remember seeing detail-wise from that trip for the first time? Yeah, you know, it was so much further than I expected. I was really hoping that we would just, you know, set up camp right there in Laos camp. It's nice and cozy, perfect spot with the water right there and trees and paths and everything clearly marked. But, I mean, we walked, I want to say, for several hours, you know, and we're bringing water with us. We're bringing granola bars. We're bringing pocket knives. were bringing wood knockers, and I feel like it took us some time.

I feel like it took us several hours just to get there. And a lot of it was going through the creek. You know, you just follow the creek in order to get there. And that's a lot of water and a lot of rocks and a lot of fallen trees. I mean, I think the first time I went, I wore regular shoes. But then the second time I went, I think I wore boots. You know, it's ridiculous getting over there. But it's really quite fantastic.

I mean, it's such untouched forest. Really, there was little to no paths whatsoever, except for what the big foot people do. I know they go through and they clear out a few trails and paths here and there now and then. But even with that, it's not a clearly travel trail. Just put it that way. Oh, absolutely. One of the good things that the Bluff Creek project do is they keep that area upkept, they clear it out in a way so that it can be appreciated and not just, you know, fade away into

just a normal forest. From what I've heard, I have yet to go there myself, but someday I will be definitely going there. The other thing I hear about that camp area is that sometimes there are weird things that happen there. Did you experience anything out of the ordinary when you were in that camp at all? Not really, Jeremiah, not me. You know, when I go out for these things, I'm kind of tagging along with Tate and I'm being a good friend,

but honestly I'm there just to camp and have a good time. So I'm not really, you know, I'm paying attention. I am, you know, I would be cool if I saw a big foot or a Sasquatch, but I don't want to see it nearly as much as Tate does or hear as much as Tate does. So I'm not perceiving the events around me

with that in mind per se. You know, I'm perceiving it just like I'm camping. Personally, I didn't really have anything funny or strange happen. I did hear, you know, Tate was, he's having a hard time sleeping. And I think on the first night that we were there, he felt like something was hovering over the tent. Now, of course, it's late, it's night, it's 2 o'clock in the morning. You've had this long 20-hour drive and you're looking for big foot. So every shadow you see is going to be something.

but there was another friend. He heard something as well, and he felt like something was hanging over the tent, but he was in a completely different tent. So that kind of freaked me out a little bit. But I believe that people see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. And I wanted to see nothing and hear nothing.

So I was fine with myself and they can see and hear whatever they want to hear, but didn't really make much difference to me. That's amazing. It's from what I've heard, it's an interesting area because it's surrounded by water and it's almost like you can, people will say they hear voices in that area sometimes. So it can really lead to some interesting things to happen, maybe even some things happening inside your head too. Who knows? We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsor.

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But I think with me is that I think I'm actively tuning that out. I'm just trying to sleep, you know? I love it. Did you get to the point after that first trip where, oh, sorry, let me ask. So did you guys have any Bigfoot interactions that first trip? trip to Bluff Creek. No.

Not a. The first time we went, I think the biggest interaction we had is Kate gave me this wood knocker. I thought it was so cool. It's just like this big thick wooden stick. And we're supposed to be using it to summon Bigfoot, you know. And I love whacking that thing to Southern Bigfoot. It was always so much fun.

Doing the calls or the woops, I thought it was great. You know, but no, the funniest thing that happened was I was running around just whacking everything I saw. We're camping and we're hiking. I'm just going to. wax stuff. And Tate's dad's friend said, you know, you might want to be careful about doing that. Knocked trees and whatnot. You never know if there might be something in there. You might make it upset. And I was like, what? Huh? I just kept on knocking around, you know? And the next thing I know

Tate's dad screams out in the middle of the forest. And Tate's dad's friend does the same thing. He starts screaming too. And I'm like, what's going on? What's going on? They start running and they start running ahead of us. And they're like, get us the heck out of here. Get us out of here. Get us out of here. And we're running like far away. What are you running from?

I don't even know what's going on. They were getting stung by hornets over and over and over. And they're the kind that don't like sting you and then go away and die. They just keep on stinging you. But fortunately, I didn't get stung. Tate didn't get stung. But Tate's dad and Tate's friend, they got walloped. You should see their bat.

I have pictures. they were like so red. But of course it was my fault, right? Because I'm the one who was knocking the stupid things. They even told me not to do it. So to this day, I apologize, but I still think it's funny. There's a life lesson to learn. Only do a few wood knocks and don't be careful not to hit the hornet trees.

You know, you don't want to unleash a barrage of hornets on your friends. That is wild. After the first trip, did you start to get into the, Finding Bigfoot stuff at all, or still you're not really that much into it? A little bit. Yeah. I mean, I had already put all this time and energy and effort into it. I already taken time off work. I had already, you know, lost sleep and lost gas and lost this and lost that for my friend. So I started getting into it a little bit. I saw a few episodes of Finding Bigfoot and whenever Tate would have me watch something or if he had me go out to another place, I was a little more open-minded, especially being that I had been in kind of, of what's considered to be the heart of Bigfoot research and discovery is right there at the Patterson Game on film site.

It's like, hey, I've kind of been a part of this thing, so I might as well look into it. It never really caught on for me 100%. It's just kind of like whenever I go, I think about it. But whenever I kind of come back home, I kind of go back, I did my own thing. But it's certainly interesting, you know, how many generations of people have reported it and how many different civilizations have reported it. And I think what gets me the most is people that have nothing to gain and everything to lose by sharing their stories.

You know what I mean? Perfectly credible people in their town. They're totally straight-laced. They're a sheriff or a deputy or something like that. And they can't afford to have people thinking that they're crazy. Yet they still come forward and confess their stories. Oh, absolutely. I mean, and personally, those are the type of encounters and witnesses I love to talk to the most.

You know, the gentleman who's a retired law enforcement official and, you know, he has nothing to gain by telling his story, but yet he had an encounter for sure. I asked the question earlier about if you started to get into finding Bigfoot in order to kind of get to another. question, which was, so let's talk about the time when you went with Tate and I guess you randomly would have run into Cliff and Bobo and Tom Yammerone. And did you recognize who Cliff and Bobo were or how did that go? Okay, so I totally did. So the way that it happened is that Tate and I were going to go again. This time it was just going to be him and me. No dead weight, no dad, no dad's friends who were going to get there a little bit quicker, maybe 15 hours instead of 20. And, you know, Tate was like holding back for me the whole time.

So he was saying, oh, yeah, it's going to be open. It's going to be open. Everything's going to be fine. Everything's going to be fine. But in the meantime, he was going back and forth with some guy. He owns like the Bigfoot bookstore, Stephen Streifert. Yeah, you got it. Stephen Stryford.

He's going back and forth to Stephen. Meanwhile, little did I know, he's going back from Stephen. And Stephen's saying, oh, yeah, you know, the gate's probably closed. You probably can't even go in there. You know, it's, it's cold. It's going to be like snowy or icy or muddy or unsafe or something like that. And they're not going to let anyone go through. But Tate was just leading me along as if everything was perfectly fine.

And so we finally get there to, what is it, Willow Creek is kind of that town in there. And we're buying beer and ice and we're getting everything. And Tate's like, oh, good. It might be open. I was like, what? It might be open. What are you talking about? He's like, oh, nothing, nothing.

I've just been talking with Stephen Strayford, and it's all good. We're good. That's so awesome. But I think he, while we were on our way, he eventually came clean. And he said, listen, Austin, there's a chance at the gate to get to, to get to Laos camp. There's a chance that it might be closed. But if it is closed, there's another route that we can take. It's only going to take us five more hours to get there.

I was like, what's another five, right? What's another five? We're already 15 in. Anyways, it was just going to be 20 anyways, somewhat as well. So we show up there and we see that, were they camp there first? Yeah, yeah, I think we saw when we went to Laos camp, there was already someone who had set up camp not too far away from us. And we said, oh, wow, someone else is here. That's interesting, but they weren't there at the campsite yet.

And then we started setting up our own camp. We started setting up our own tent. And next thing I know, I think it was Cliff Barakman, who came and introduced himself. And they were asking us if we needed any help. And like in that moment, Tate just went like full poker face. I mean, he was different. He wasn't like he was talking to like a random Joe Schmo. normal person. He was talking to Cliff Baratman. And I think I didn't connect it until I saw how Tate

looked. And then I saw Cliff. And I was like, oh, wait a minute. That's the finding Bigfoot TV guy. What? Did you say that out loud or was that in your mind? That was in my mind. Okay, good. As much as I wanted to. But no, I think the first thing he did, I think he offered me a beer. And he asked me, he said, do you want domestic or do you want an import? And I was like, uh, domestic means like local, right? Well, I want something bougie and different. So I'll go for an import.

And the only imported they, the only imported beer that they had was Pliny the Elder, which is like a fantastic beer. It is, yeah. And it just so happened to be like their last one. And they offered their last Pliny the Elder. to lowly Austin Brown on the first day of him camping next to them. Wow. That was super cool.

That is very cool because that stuff is hard to get from what I've heard. And that was Bobo there as well? Bobo was there too. I think we were trying to move the picnic table and I think Bobo I mean he's such a big guy. He just offered to help. And you know there were like two or three of us on one half. And he just took like the whole other half. You know, we just carried it over to a mutual spot. And I think they said, well, hey, you know, once you guys kind of finish setting up camp,

once you guys get kind of settled in and tucked away, you got to, you want to come over and by the campfire, we're going to have some beers and some food. You want to swap Bigfoot stories and get to know each other a little better? And we were like, yeah. Wow. Hitting the Bigfooter lottery is what that was. That's awesome. Yeah.

Yeah, but it was Cliff Barachman, Tom Yameron, Bobo, like you said, I feel like there was one or two more guys. I'd have to send you a photo. Did Tom bust out his guitar and play Roger and Bob or anything like that? He sure did. Okay. You know, he did that. I think Bobo was going to be leaving.

Bobo was going to go home. we were staying for a couple more days and I think that that's the song that he used to play Bobo out. And so as, you know, Bobo's getting in his car, Tom Yamaron is

Ra, Charamba, yada, y'all, y'all, and he's getting in his car and he's driving away and he totally, he serenated him all the way down the road. Oh my goodness.

That's just like from a movie, which, For listeners, if this sounds familiar, if you've seen the movie Willow Creek with Bryce Johnson and by Bobcat, that song is in that movie, and Tom Yameron is in that movie playing The Roger and Bob went out that day song. So there you go. It's a horror movie,

so you know, don't watch it with kids unless your kids are into that, but whatever. They were awesome guys, Jeremiah. I mean, they were seriously, seriously cool. They were very open. They were very forthcoming. But they also listened. They weren't just interested in their own stories and what they had going on. You know, they asked me about me.

They asked me about my life and my experiences and away from Bigfoot or Sasquatch or anything like that. They just kind of had a really good down-to-earth quality, you know, a real connection. Were they able to tell you anything about that area? that kind of opened your eyes to it. Do you remember if they told you any cool anecdotes about that area? Yeah. I wish I could remember. I don't really remember.

I just remember the enthusiasm and the interest. I was just there to camp and drink beer and do little hiking and just have a good time. But, I mean, they were analyzing the rich lines and the rocks and the path of the walk. and the weather and, you know, north and south and magnetism and migratory stuff. They're so knowledgeable. I mean, between all of them, they do so much. And I felt like, wow, you know, they're really perceiving so much more in their environment than I am. You know, I'm in such a disadvantage here.

I'm a city boy. But, you know, in the meantime, they're pointing out tracks and stuff like that. It's really cool. But that really struck me. is there is their genuine interest in their surroundings and their and their well-rounded knowledge you know not just about bigfoot but about bears and dears and bobcats and mountain lions and things like that's oh no that's not a bigfoot anything that's a bear scat or whatever they they they knew about being out in the woods wow did bobo uh do his famous bigfoot howell

when you were down there. I'm sure he did. I was sure he did. I don't remember how it sounded, but he's definitely, I mean, he's such a big guy, and he's got such a big set of lungs, and he's kind of got that voice

where he could really, he did really good. I think he did the best out of all of us. Oh, absolutely. I'm sure, I mean, we've probably most listeners have heard Bobo busted out on finding Bigfoot. He's just, he's very, very, very good.

I'm going to ask directly during that trip, were there any interesting Bigfoot-related occurrences that happened that you can remember? Yeah. No. No, nothing that stuck out. I mean, the most amazing thing that happened, obviously, was just the fact that we ran into them,

ran into the cast. And we were, of course, happy to be there, especially being alone. That was super cool kind of doing our, own thing. But no, not to my recollection. We looked,

we tried, we knocked, we called, we did all these different things. But I mean, I think Tate might have gotten like a couple

recordings. Maybe you heard like a knock in the distance or a whoop in the distance. But for me, it was never really anything so substantive that it was worth considering any further.

You know, it's a noise in the night. It's not that big of a deal. Yeah. And unfortunately, that's the way a lot of them You know, 99 times out of 100, you get nothing. That's what Tate tells me.

And we had, I'm not going to go too far into it. But we had stuff happen in our Iowa trip last summer. And that's exactly what Tate said to me. He was like, you know, this isn't normal. That you usually don't have much happen. So I totally agree with you where, yeah, most times when you go out, It is kind of like a fun camping, hiking trip when you're also looking for Bigfoot. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors.

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with a hike from the 12 and 13 bridge up to the film site. And you had, it was Tate, I think Robert Leiderman, Routy, and Ian was there as well. Do you remember much about that experience? Yeah, that was great. Those guys were absolutely great. Really love Robert, really love Routy, absolutely fantastic guys. and again, super knowledgeable about areas and spaces and evidence and tracks and all that. I don't really remember anything super substantial.

I was just so impressed by their enthusiasm and sacrifice in a kind of like a career of spending time and money and gas to find something. that we haven't really found yet. You know, they really have that sense of mystery in them. And I really got that kind of like adult sense of curiosity from all of them. You know, they were like little kids out there in the woods. They were just having a blast. But as far as actual experiences go, I mean, I do recall listening to the water a little bit more carefully because I think we spent a lot of time around water.

And I could start to hear what people might hear. oh, yeah, I could see how someone could think of that's voices or something of that nature. But no, no, we just had a really good time. It's a good thing to point out. I mean, your viewpoint of that is very interesting. It's truthful, you know, a lot of people, when they get into big footing, they are, you know, definitely sacrificing their resources, their time in, in hopes of uncovering some greater mystery.

And there's not many of those left today in our world if you talk to most people. So that's a very cool observation that you had. There is an interesting account, and I'd like you to share as much as you can remember, when you and Tate went down to Southern California, I believe it was Southern California, correct, in the Sierra Nevada's. Absolutely. Yeah. And feel free to,

to share kind of what happened. It's an interesting account that I think some people may have seen, but I would love to hear your thoughts about it. Absolutely. Yeah. So, I mean, ever since it happened,

I thought a little of it when it happened, but I really didn't think that much of it. But ever since then, multiple videos have come out, and people have had interviews and analysis and they've interviewed me and they think that it might be like a genuine experience. But I'll just kind of like walk you through the details of as much as I can remember at the beginning of the day. We were meeting up with another finding Bigfoot person, Matt Moneymaker. So Matt Moneymaker was doing this thing where he collected like five or six different eyewitnesses,

people who had seen some sort of something going on with Bigfoot. And Tate's experience that he had is that he had found what he thought might be a track. And he took a picture of that track on his phone. I don't think he had any casting materials at the time, but he took a pretty good picture and it looked pretty good. And I think he shared that with Matt Moneymaker. And I think also Cliff Baratman had suggested to Tate when he was asking about areas to look at. He suggested, why don't you go over to, so it's this whole area where it's kind of like in the middle of this California desert and there's this big mountain.

And a lot of people kind of go up and down the mountain. They've got ATVs. They've got dirt bikes. They've got jeeps. They've got trucks. It's one of those trucking up and down sort of places. And it's also a big hunting ground during hunting season. And so when we were going around with Matt Moneymaker, we went to.

this site over here to see kind of where that person saw that thing. And then we went to that site over there and kind of see where that person saw that thing. And we kind of just bounced around. And we finally landed with Tate's experience going over to Gorman and Hungary Valley and trying to find where he found the track. Because Matt Moneymaker wanted to know, okay, where did you find this track? Let's go take a look at it. See if it's still there. See if there's any more evidences. And there was nothing. We drove all the way out there. We drop all the way up and down and all around and I'm bouncing all around. And it's like six or seven at night. We've been at this all day. I'm tired. I'm ready to be done. I've already

been humoring everyone else's experience. And I don't even want to humor Tate's experience. I just want to go to sleep. And it was like nothing. There was no other evidence. We couldn't find a track. We couldn't find any other tracks or any other evidences. And so we thought, well, why don't we just kind of take a look at what it looks like at the very top of this hill. We're already here kind of near the bottom or near the middle, we might as well keep on going up. And so we kind of just caravan up. So Matt Moneymaker was in like his land rover and he's going super fast up. And Tate was in his little Honda Ridge line and we're bouncing up and down. And Jeremiah, like from the bottom of the top, it's like an hour, hour and a half.

You know, not because of incredible distance. I mean, surely it is distance and elevation, but mostly because all the bumps and crannies and impossible turns and getting through, you have to go like five miles an hour. Because if you go any faster, you bounce around so much you can't even stand it or you feel like you're going to fall off the cliff. And so we go all the way up to the top of this stupid cliff and these guys are just kind of talking and sharing stories and we're just kind of saying our final goodbyes before Tate and I decide, okay, we're going to spend the night at the top of this mountain, the top of this cliff,

at the top of Hungry Valley. And you could really see everything up there. I mean, you just look around, you see city, you see mountain, you see desert. It's really absolutely fantastic. And it was a beautiful evening. I mean, it was kind of warm at first, but then it started getting colder and colder and colder. And the guys left. You know, Matt said his goodbyes, all the other eyewitnesses said their goodbyes, one after another. And so Tate and I start setting up camp. And I think the way we did it is he pulled up his truck. And at first, we were kind of sitting in his truck, just kind of gathering our things, getting the items ready and whatnot, and getting out any beverages we might want to enjoy what we're trying to set up camp. And that's, that's what I wanted to do. I just wanted to

kick it at camp and just have a good time and drink a few beers and be done for the day because I had a long day. And I was just kind of ready to maybe let's do something tomorrow and morning. you know and about nine o'clock at night I think we kind of got our tents set up a little bit and Tate's like well right now is a pretty good time um it is hunting season you know so we had passed multiple different hunters you know and they're in their orange jackets and their sniper rifles and their ATVs it's funny because they they wear camo and then they wear the orange jacket on top of it wait a second here this doesn't really match but from the hunters up to where we were, I mean, it must have been a half hour or an hour distance.

And so there was nobody around. It was just me and Tate in the campsite and around 9 o'clock at night. And Tate's like, why don't we go do a couple of knocks, do a couple calls, and then we'll call it a night. And I think I said, why don't we just call it a night right here? You know, we've already had such a big, long day. Why don't we just try it in the morning? And Tate was like, come on, dude, we're already here. We made all this effort to be here.

That's all the more reason to while we're at it, we might as well do a couple of knocks and a couple this. He's always been that way. He's always been much more of an optimist and I've been much more of a pessimist. So I'm the most reluctant Bigfoot researcher that I know, you know, but I still go along with it because I love Tate and who couldn't love Tate. And so what we did exactly is we're camped up at the top of the mountain. I think what we did is we kind of went toward the sign. And so that's like the site of where we're at. And it's dark enough so that it's not pitch black at night, but it's pretty darn dark.

I mean, you could see the ground in front of you, but that's about it. And it was starting to get cold. You know, so I put my jacket on. I put my hoodie on. I don't think I had earmuffs, but I kind of like cinched my hoodie to try to like trap as much heat in as possible. So I couldn't hear that much.

And to be honest, Jeremiah, I'm not that great of a hearer to begin with. I think I've kind of blown out some of my hearing through loud music and concerts and whatnot here and there. And on top of that, I'm not really trying to hear anything. Anyways, we start to kind of go down. There's this one little spot that kind of leads down the mountain. And so we're going down in the opposite direction of where we came.

So we came up this side of the mountain and now we're going down the opposite side of the mountain just a tiny bit. And he saw this big dead tree. And to him, I think it looked kind of hollow, it looked kind of solid maybe. I don't really know what's better for knocking, but he decided, I'm going to give this thing a knock, a couple knocks. And he had this big stick or something like that. And he gave it a couple of knocks and terrible.

It sounded awful. It didn't carry at all. It didn't have like deeps down. It didn't resonate whatsoever. I think it was just so dead that when he hit it, there was nothing to echo within it or something like that. I don't know how all that works, but it didn't make any sound.

Anyway, so he said, this isn't really working. So we kind of walked a little ways further. And then he said, I'm going to do a woo. You know, be quiet while I do my whoop. And then that way we can listen to the response. And he's always having to do that with me. because I always start talking.

And he has to say, okay, I'm going to do a call. So be quiet for like a minute, you know. And he said, he did a whoop. And then he said, Austin, I heard something. I heard something. I heard a response in that direction. Whatever, dude. You heard something.

You did a whoop. You heard something in the night. Never, bro. And he said, let's just walk back over here, back over the ridge to see if we can see where it came from. Because he said very distinctly it came like from the last. left of where we were. So in order to see over the left, we would have had to go up, kind of back up the mountain, but we had to go back the way we came. So we started going back the way we came, and we curved up. We've got our headlamps on. I'm only seeing like the ground

in front of me right here, so I can just kind of walk clearly. And as we're walking up, there's this big old dead tree. I mean, absolutely blocking our way. It's just a massive fallen tree. and it's kind of like diagonal in this way and I kind of approach it a little bit in the middle left side of it and then Tate kind of approaches it on the middle right side of it and we're like, well this is like as far as we can go

and this has got a good view of the rest of the mountain or valley. It's up. It's the highest part of the mountain from where we're at. And so as we're scanning the ridge to see whatever it is that Tate didn't hear, as far as I'm concerned, I see a pair of eyes in the middle of the night. Just while I'm sort of scanning the ridge, there are two big, bright, yellowy, orangey eyes,

just staring right back at us. Like, it was already, you know, when we scanned the horizon and saw it, I mean, it was already locked on us. It had already been looking at us the whole time. And this is just kind of a personal thing, Jeremiah. Ever since I was young, I kind of had always this thing about seeing eyes in the middle of the night. You know, I don't know if you ever thought of it or if anybody else ever thought of it. It might be kind of a familiar meme or something that they use in scary movies or whatnot.

But I always said to myself, you know, if I ever see eyes in the middle of the night, that's going to be tied to go. You know, it's going to be the craziest thing. But there it was. Right there. And when I first saw the eyes, man, man, what was running through my head? I thought that I was imagining it. I thought that I was seeing the same eyes that I saw, like when I was a little kid, when I was worried about seeing eyes in the middle of the night staring back at me.

Because, man, Jeremiah, it wasn't just looking in our direction. It was looking at us, staring. staring right at us. And so the first thing I said, I was like, hey, what is that? And I was fully expecting him to say that it wasn't there or that it was something totally benign. You know, a telephone pole, lights in the distance. I thought that he would instantly brush it away. Oh, that's just the glare of the.

headlamp or something like that. But he saw the exact same thing. And he said, I don't know, dude. I was like, what do you mean? You don't know. You're the expert. You're the one that comes out of here. You should know what you see in the middle of the night.

And so the exact experience was, I just said, what is that? And then Tate said, I don't know, dude. And we just had a stare down. And we literally just stared at it. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts by temporarily delaying ovulation.

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Must be 18 years older to purchase player fine. And even though my headlamp wasn't looking like directly at it, the eyes were so reflective. It was reflective enough that it caught that light. And I mean, they were just big and brightest day. And I thought that they were like 50 feet away. That's how close I thought it was. I thought it was fairly close.

The eyes were big. They were not quite perfectly round, but almost so, kind of like human eyes. But they were further apart. They were a little further apart than they should be. And they were bright and unblinking focused right on us. You know, and immediately, you know, when you look at a deer or if you look at this or if you look at that, it almost always looks at you and then looks away and does something else. This thing just stared, just stared right at us. And I really didn't know what to do.

And I was kind of like leaning to the right and to the left to see like, is it really not just like city lights in the distance? because you could see that. You know, there were lights in the distance way back, but no, you could very clearly see. There's lights in the distance, and then two glowing yellowy dots right between them, you know. And I asked Kate, I said, do you think I should do a whoop or something like that? He says, sure, dude, go for it.

And apparently, you know, he brought up his thermal imaging. camera at some point and he started to film it. And I didn't really know. I was completely transfixed. I was just locked in this experience just trying to figure out what this was or wasn't was or wasn't. And

I ended up doing my whoop. And Jeremiah, there was no response. I let out this loud you know, whoop. Nothing whatsoever. You know? No blinking.

no looking in either direction, no backing away, no response whatsoever. And we waited, I want to say, another 30 seconds to a minute. And finally I said, maybe I'll try another one. I'll just try one a little bit more aggressive, you know? And so I did kind of a, you know, with a little bit more, you know, neatness to it. And in a very conscious way, you know, it went from just having eyes, to us, you know, to what I saw, it simply turned to the right and walked away.

You know, like it just decided to stop staring at us. But it was like a delay. You know, I did that aggressive call and it kind of just stared at me for another couple seconds and then it lost interest, basically, and it turned the other way. apparently looking back at the thermal footage there's a moment where it stands up and that's where it's very clearly visible you know in thermal footage personally all I saw was two glowing dots in the middle of the night and having no reference as to height you know I didn't see that ridge that was below it I didn't see that tree that was right next to it all I saw was two glowing eyes so personally I didn't see the moment where it stood up. I just saw two glowing eyes the whole time. And then a couple seconds after I did that

that second, whoa, it just turned away and went back wherever it came. Yeah, it was super weird. The whole time that it was there, I really got the sense that this wasn't some dumb animal acting on instinct. This was something that was deciding to look at us. and, you know, while I didn't hear the woo,

I didn't hear, you know, what it called the tape. Kate heard it. Kate heard something that caused us to go in that direction. And then we went in that direction, something was already looking at us. You know, that's pretty, it never blinked. It never blanked. It's crazy, but, yeah.

It's such, it's a fascinating account. Because when you take into consideration everything before this, you are really the most reluctant Bigfooter that I've ever talked to, being able to talk to Cliff and Bobo randomly. And then having this experience. And at this point, you're still not really into it. You're like, I'd rather go to, let's have a beer turn in for the night. But, I mean, after this happened,

did you guys get any sleep or i bet tate was just revved up dude absolutely absolutely yeah no it's weird i um i felt a lot of different things at once personally um part of me was kind of offended that it it looked at us and it made its presence known and then it it ran away without showing his face without doing anything. So part of me wanted to run away, but then also part of me wanted to like run towards it. You know, like, who do you think you are? Just pop it out in the middle of the night like this and scaring the bejesus out of us. Who are you and what are you doing? You know, or what are you doing? If you are Bigfoot, let's pursue this and see what it's all about. But after that, you know, Tate and I, we were shook up. Yeah, I think initially we tried to

relax a little bit. We tried to go back to camp and kind of shake it off a little bit and say, I don't know what it was, but whatever it was, we can certainly still sleep and it's certainly gone. It's probably not going to hurt us or anything like that. But we were too scared. It was really nuts. And so Tate was asking me, he said, hey, you know, what do you think about maybe going back down the hill? And even though I knew going back down the hill would mean that it'd be the exact same arduous journey that it took us to get up, you know, like an hour and a half. And I think, you know, like an hour and a half of bumpy roads. I said, you know, I could use a change of scenery.

So we did the whole bumpy mountain. We packed everything back up. We went all the way all the way down the road. And yeah. And at that point, we tried to sleep, just kind of making sense of what we saw. Do you ever think to your, do you ever, I would be questioning myself afterwards.

Like, what if you guys had stayed in that area? Like, that's a question I'd be asking myself for quite a few days afterwards. I don't know, but, you know, you had to make the call. Right. Sort of the same thing. Should I run away or should I run towards it? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, just because we were so completely bewildered and we were so not expecting it, you know, we didn't have any guns. We didn't have really any defenses or anything whatsoever. we were totally shocked by the experience. I mean, the whole experience was just to be able to show Matt Moneymaker something to take found. You know, and like the Bigfoot calling, which is kind of like a plus.

It was kind of an add-on. So to actually, you know, run into something, I was really trying to try to disprove it. You know, in my mind, I was thinking, well, it could have been a, it could have been a deer, could have been a bear, could have been this, could do that, could have been a person. I don't know. And I really just tried to shed it out of my mind until the morning. And at that point, even then, I said, you know what, we saw something creepy and scary in the night, but a lot of things are creepy and scary in the night. It could have been anything. I don't know what it was.

But it was only upon like further inspection of the evidence, seeing actually how far away it was. Turns out it wasn't 50 feet away. It was like 300 feet away. You know, we literally like took a tape measure that was like 15 feet long or 20 feet long. and we just you know one person stood and hold and held the metal part of the tape measure

and then the other person took the tape part of the tape measure and we just went back and forth and back and forth and we thought this is crazy how far away it was it must have been large it must have been a large animal or a thing whatever it was and when we went over to where it would have been standing because Tate saw on the thermal imaging

camera on the flare he saw something on there where he didn't see that before. He didn't see the thermal image in the Fleer live as it was happening. He only saw that portion of it like the next day when he was looking at the footage because it's too hard. Like he had one eye open and focusing on the eyes and then another eye trying to film it with your Fleer or whatever.

It was too much. And so he said, wait a second. There was something there for sure. And it stood up. And on that Fleer, he was able to do. able to see that, oh, there's a ridge right here and then there's a tree right here. So we were able to go the exact spot where it was next to the ridge and next to the tree. And we saw that there's like a straight drop behind that tree. There's no trail. There's no nothing. There's like a

70 or 80 degree, 80 degree mountain or something like that. And we're just thinking what in the world could it have been? You know, it must have been hiding right behind that ridge and kind of just next to the tree, just checking us out. And then as soon as it was done, checking us out, it just turned around and and walk down this 70 or 80 degree mountain. Man, that is, it's such a wild story. When you left that area, in your, mind, what had you come to think? What do you think? Do you think that was a big foot there that night? Or what was in your head when you were leaving? You're just maybe as confused as ever. I have no idea what else it could be. You know, I've gone through my mind and I don't know much about

bears. I don't know much about dears or birds or wildlife or anything like that. So I don't feel like I'm an expert in saying, like, it couldn't have been those things. Perhaps it could. Perhaps it could. But watching the footage and listening to other people talk about it, listening to people talk about it, listening to people who are really good at ruling this stuff out and narrowing things down, people with a lot more experience and knowledge than me, they make a lot of really good points.

And I still have no better explanation for what I saw. But it's like, if it wasn't Bigfoot, then what was. was it? I have no good, I have no good explanation, you know. There's been a few, there's been taught, Tate's made a documentary episode about this and I'll have it in the show notes and there's been others as well. So I'll make sure that there's plenty of resources for this episode if people want to, to dig deeper, which I would definitely recommend that you do.

This whole experience, did, how did it affect? you getting more into Bigfoot at all, or were you really the same person as regards to Bigfoot before, first after? No, I'm definitely a little more of a believer. I'm definitely a little more of a believer. You know, there's no way that there's been all these stories, and even I have a story.

And you're telling me that they have no common element, that this is just all people just imagining things or making stuff. up, you know, even though they have nothing to gain, just like me. I have nothing to gain. Right. Exactly. Austin has no book or podcast. He has nothing to gain from him talking to me tonight.

It's just, it's a very interesting account. And I'm so thankful that you agreed to come on. Have you been involved with any other expeditions or going out? out and looking for stuff since that time? There was that second time that we went, I think, with Jonathan Easley. Mm-hmm. And I think a few other people as well. And he's another guy that I'm just super impressed and interested in.

He does that Western Bigfoot theory or society. A Western Bigfoot exploration. Exploration. It's a very, very good channel. His camera is intense. but him too you know he's so knowledgeable and he's so enthusiastic

and we went back out there you know he told me straight up that he went out there to disprove it you know it basically said that you guys didn't really see anything but the more that he talked to me and my experience and I'm just sharing events as they happen to me

I don't really have any dog in the fight he's like wait a second you saw this you saw that and they did this and they did that wait a second so that that was the next time you did that we went out there and I didn't have any experiences at that time,

but I really am starting to put the pieces together that even though I have nothing to gain, you know, per se, gosh, it's so interesting. And it kind of has sparked my own adult curiosity a little bit as to what's going on around here, you know. Wow, pretty cool. Do you think you might ever go out to that area a third time? It's funny.

I will be going in a couple days this Saturday. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, Tate's going out there. I think he has a few other people going out with him. He's always got some big crew.

But I'm really going to look at the place again and really consider it very seriously and not try to disprove it. But I don't know. Kind of go with a little bit more of an open mind. Yeah. It'll be interesting. to see what occurs. This will come out probably after that trip, but I'll be very curious to

see what you guys notice after a third trip out to that point. But Austin, this has been such a fun conversation. Thank you for spending some time with us. I will ask you if there's anything that you want to to plug or give you the chance, but it sounds like probably not. Oh, thank you. Well, definitely not as far as, you know, items are concerned professionally or or bigfootly. I'm kind of a photographer. I do like to take a lot of photos. It's just of like my average ordinary neighborhood stuff. So kind of through COVID, I just started taking like these funny little photos. It's just funny stuff. I saw my walks around my neighborhood. And it really kind of took off. And I really like to try to, yeah, I think a lot of happiness can be derived

in satisfaction and being satisfied with where you are and with what you're doing. And so these photos are kind of an experiment of that in getting more in touch with my current surroundings, being satisfied with what I have. So my Instagram is an ostigram. So it's, A-U-S-T-I and then G-R-A-M. So, Oostagram. And I just post a lot of photos of beautiful Ventura, but I try to bring out the extra in the ordinary, if that makes any sense.

And it's something I'd like to think anybody can do. They can appreciate the surroundings. That is awesome. We'll definitely have that in the show notes as well so people can keep up to date with your photography. for you. But man, thanks so much for coming on. And I'll have to keep an ear out if you're involved with any other cool things in the future. Let me know. So. Thanks so much, Jeremiah. Such a pleasure. And you're such a good interviewer and you're such

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