Bigfoot Society - Jeff Carpenter, Western North Carolina Bigfoot Researcher

Episode Date: September 14, 2023

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you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show. notes. In Bigfoot Society, I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show. Three, two, one. All right, BigFa Society, we've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Jeff Carpenter from the great state of North Carolina tonight. How's it going, Jeff? Good. I was just laughing a little bit about that Mr. thing. Jeff works just fine. Mr. makes me feel real old, Jeremiah. Mr. Carpenter is my father. Oh, good. You are in a cool part of North Carolina. You're out in the western part near Cherokee in the Great Smoky Mountains, and you got all that cool stuff going on.

And just to give a little background about you, and we'll hear much more later. But you're with the BFRO, you're with the KBRO, which is a Kentucky Bigfoot Research Organization. And you've got another group you're in, but we'll hear about that later. But how's it going tonight out there, Jeff? It's going good, a little better than the first time we tried. I think we both were having some electrical storms going on last week. But doing great. Jeremiah,

I live in a little background, living in Seale, North Carolina. That's S-Y-L-V-A. It's right near Cherokee, North Carolina, where most people know, because of the casino now and the Smokies. We're just right outside.

I'm about 10 miles out of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park in western North Carolina. And lived here. My family's been here in western North Carolina since the early, late 1700s probably and we have a rich i like to talk about a little bit if it's okay about my appalachian history and when we were talking on the phone it was really neat to hear that you and your you and your dad both had read the foxfire books and i like to tell people my family uh are just

appalachian people that grew up right outside of uh clayton georgia on the north carolina line in otto north carolina and they were my grandfather harley carpenter and i think you might have a picture of papal there he was one of the first people interviewed for the Foxfire book series. And later on, they made a play out of the book. And yeah, that's Papal Tellin' Telling the Tale there. He was definitely a mountain man for sure and loved a lot of things, you know, there.

He was one of the first people getting interviewed for the Foxfire books. And my great aunt, Airy Carpenter, by marriage, was the person they made the movie about, with John Denver and Hugh Crone and Jessica Tandy. She played Aunt Airy Carpenter. And that's on the cover of the first book. I think that you said you have there. Oh, was there a movie about it too?

Yeah, it was made as a Hallmark movie. Yeah. The whole gist of the story, which is really impactful nowadays, is, you know, her husband had died. And she was their son, which was John Deerbvre, trying to get her to sell her mountain property and moved down to outside of Atlanta. and she just didn't want to do that, you know. And she lived in a little cabin, little cabin type thing.

And I'm just very proud of my mountain heritage. And I bring this up at all my presentations because I do want people to understand where I'm from and my family, my background, because it's a little different. I had a great upbringing by my parents. Now, they were very country. Some people would call my family's dirt people, which is a derogatory mark in my mind. but they're Appalachian Mount people. And there's my father, Irvin Carpenter.

He was just hard for me to talk about my dad. He's been passed away about 30 years now. I gave you that picture because he's really proud of that one. He won the biggest gobbler contest in 1981. But that was a daddy was a mountains man, mountain man. Now, they've written stories about my daddy's nickname was old high top. He just loved the mountains more than anybody ever met.

and I grew up, I think I went raccoon hunting the first time when I was maybe six years old or five of my dad. So I'm very comfortable being out in the woods of a night in the dark. And daddy helped, by the way, give you a little tidbit there, Jeremiah. He helped restock the turkey bag in western North Carolina through the Wild Turkey Federation. They were about gone. Papal used to call them mud hens. That was one of his nicknames for him. And grew up, learned how to call them with a briar leaf and things like that.

I always tell people, Appalachian people, you know, were looked down upon. A lot of it's caused the movies and things, but they were probably the most resourceful people. You know, they, in my opinion, vented recycling. Like my grandfather on both sides never would throw away a nail because it was hard to get come by. The reason I bring all this up, though, to kind of cut short here is that people understand my background as my father raised me. He was a master tracker. and again, we ginseng hunt, deer hunt, raccoon, that fish. But we just would just spend a lot of time in the woods.

And, you know, he taught me about looking at tracking sign. It's not the big things you look for, it's the subtle things that you try to find, you know, that type of thing. And he was just the best. He raised a lot of other guys besides me and my brother out in the woods. And he was just a real special person and I always paid tribute to dad. He kind of got me here. I'll never forget, Jeremiah, real quick, like we were sitting in a place called Deer Cove,

and hopefully some of your listeners might know where that's at if they're in Macon County, North Carolina, but it's a real remote place. We were ginsang hunting, sitting on a ridge, and I'll never forget, dead was sitting over on a log away from, just doing that faraway look, you know, which I always kind of dreaded when I was a kid, because that means we're going to go walking over that next ridge. There's no flatland where we live at, and he just said, you know, Jeff, you need to listen to the woods or the mountains. sometimes they got something to say and I found that very prophetic now kind of what I've gotten into you know so I don't think he ever had any strange sightings he never mentioned to him but he did see mountain lines he's seen two mountain lines in his life and which is a very rare thing to see here I know people say they're not here but they do cruise through the area sometimes I do believe and I've seen tracks but I've not actually seen one but one of the things though is Appalachian people uh Telling the truth is a big thing, as you probably know, just the way we're raised and lying is kind of a sin pretty much.

And it's just you're supposed to be straightforward and truthful to people and honest, that type of thing. And I always kind of preface that because the things I'll tell people are actually what happened. Word for word, siding for siding, what I heard, what I heard. It's just who I am. And it's been very successful for me for what I do. This is what I am. And also my background to tell people that's listening, I was a Parks and Recreation Director for about 28 years.

I worked for Jackson County, North Carolina for 32 years. And I'm a Parks and Recreation graduate from Western Carolina University. And one of the first people in my family to graduate from college. So really proud of that. And that's a lot of my dad's doing again. And, you know, he was just very much about education and learning things. but he taught me a lot about the woods that you just can't you just can't get any other way if that makes sense. I think that makes total sense.

A lot of that knowledge about the woods, especially from that area, you're not going to find in a book. If you do, it's in the Foxfire books. You know, as you alluded to, you know, my, I guess you could say my father was a naturalist slash camp director. and he had those books. And just the info in those books were just incredible. And I read them when I was about 10, but it was my first introduction to the ways of Appalachia, even though we lived up in the Northeast.

And it's just cool listeners. I'll have the links in the show notes. They're cool books if you can find them. You're kind of hard to find nowadays. They're very hard to find, yeah. And by the way, there's a museum in Diller, Georgia, Jeremiah, if you're ever down this way. And if you are, I appreciate your holler at me.

I'll kind of take you around. But there is a museum there that's really neat for people to see. It's in dealer, Georgia. It's the official Foxfire Museum. Oh, wow. Yeah, totally. I'll put that on the trip list because we'll get over there eventually for Expedition Bigfoot Museum. So I wanted to real quick, like explain to people about our area that we live in, Germany.

Absolutely. live near the great Smoky Mountains National Park. And, you know, years ago, you know, I didn't really think about Big Phil. A lot. I've seen the film. But, you know, that was kind of thing out northwest, you know, it's kind of cool, you know, but it just didn't really think about it being here at all. But one thing a lot of people don't know about is how much public land we have in

Western North Carolina. I just want to give your listeners a little standard. Everybody thinks about the Smokies, but the Smokies is really basically the smallest, That's one of the smallest that we have. And these are all connected, Jeremiah. They're all connected. There's Pisgah National Force. I'm going to look at my notes if you don't mind, so I'll get the numbers right.

Pisgahe National Force, this is near Asheville, is 512,000 acres. Then we have the Nathahela National Force, which, by the way, in Cherokee means land of the noonday sun. It has 531,000 acres. And then we have Chattahoochee National Force, which is kind of North Carolina, Georgia, kind of, you know, kind of goes across two or three states. That's 86,000 acres. And then the Smokies has 522,000 acres, a little more than that. So you have 2,432,000 acres that's connected.

That's public land. Wow. And that's how big an area it is. And people don't really look at it. That way they look at the Smokies and they just, I guess, just don't really realize that they're all connected. And it's a vast area. So what I'm getting at is a good friend of mine.

I'll mention I think you've interviewed him, Matt Pruitt. He's one of the better researchers you'll ever meet. Yeah. Great book out, by the way. I'm talking to him this week about his book, actually. So I'm excited to talk to him again. Yeah. Yeah, tell him, I said hello.

And we talked once or twice a month, Matt got me into this stuff. And I'll mention here in a minute. But he's like, Jeff, why do you go other places? You've got the best place on the east for sure. for to research in. And so I spend a lot of time here doing a lot of research. And I'm, I'm more of a field researcher, Jeremiah.

I like this is the way I grew up. And since I'm retired now, I've been retired about 10 years. I get to spend a lot of time now. I'm just recovering, fully recovered now from my fifth knee surgery, but from old college basketball injury. But it's a little setback this spring. But usually say last,

I think it's last year, a year before last I camped 82 days maybe doing research and I just I just like it most time I'm by myself and that sounds crazy and that's not a good thing for the listeners to do but again I'm a little comfortable with that and I make sure everybody knows where I'm at and I do like the idea of putting yourself out there a little bit where you're not a lot of people if that makes sense you know so but that's our area and it's again if people's not been to the western North Carolina area is very beautiful. The Smokies is the most visited park in the national park system.

And also a little stat for people that don't know, it's also the most, if I can get this right, because it constantly changed, Jeremiah. It's the most biodiverse park in the national park system. But also, they're documenting the different species, and this has been ongoing for years now. I think they've documented 19,000 different species in the Smokies. And they think when they're finished, it could be up to 100,000 different species of, you know, plant life, animal life, different things. It's just, they found, they find all kinds of salamanders all the time.

They're just a different species. It's a really interesting study there, for sure. Such a diverse area and a wide area of land. There has got to be, and I already know the answer. I know because I've talked to people, but there is a history of Bigfoot in this area. That is intense. Yeah, for sure. Is that anything that you could share about?

How far does this Bigfoot, these reports and the legends go back in the history of North Carolina where you're at? And now Matt's documented some of those by doing research on newspapers. He can tell you even more. but due to my lucky, I'm just the luckiest guy in the world sometimes things. Sometimes I think something's guiding me to this kind of research. It's kind of weird. But as a park director, I was over a judicolor rock project, which is a piece of county property that was donated to us,

which is the largest petroglyph in the southeast. It's great. And I think you have a picture of Judah color rock there. In a drawing we had depicted of judicula, which is actually Tutta Cola and Cherokeeukola. and Cherokee, which means slant-eyed giant keeper of the forest. And the Cherokees have, that was an artist rendering. In the background is an actual picture taken years ago where they had done the,

I guess it's kind of like, it's not spray pack, but chalk in the symbols. There's hundreds of symbols in this rock and even a copy of Judah Cullough's hand kind of type of thing. But Judah Cullough was a big legend, if you may, of the church. Cherokees, and he was a keeper of the forest, which a lot of people have heard about, was a female, and then Stone Man was a big... Around, but I guess an enemy of Spear Finger, but Stone Man, if you see Stone Man, you turn to stone. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. On this episode of Plant Killers, we'll explore One Nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable

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Now, my interpretation of that, Jeremiah, would be you go into shop pretty much. And there's also I'm missing, see, other local legends, and it's not Cherokee. This would be more an English legend back in the 1800s was Boojum, which is a local brewery now in Wainsville, but Buzham was a person that came into mining camps and would steal their food. And then there's also Hoot Nanny, one of our famous

authors here, John Paris. He's passed away years ago, but he wrote about mountain stories. And Hoot Nanny was a legend in Haywood County near a place near Laurel Ridge. There was a lodge there in the 1800s. And they would

see this hairy wild woman. It would come and whistle and hoot. and that's where the term he says hoot nanny comes from although that's debatable you know because that means dancing too you know that type of thing but uh there's just a lot of uh legends here locally uh of that you know that type of thing when you dig into it and there's a lot of stories that go i constantly get things that pop up out of the clear blue one was years ago a guy told me about his grandfather building the first train into ashville as you great-grandfather would talk about they had food being stole in their logging camp he was a

logger and uh they thought it was the campers getting in and sneaking the cook did and they hired a person to come in he said with dogs uh this was relayed by his grandson to me that uh and they shot it and it was uh they said uh looked like a monkey with no tail now keep of mind this was in the late 1800s so they didn't know about gorillas in those days so now i found that to be a fascinating report he told his family of stories for years before he passed away uh but there's a lot of older stuff in history in the mountains here and of course the smokies has the mist so there's makes it mysterious too if that makes sense sometimes it's a very mysterious place did he say so they just shot at it or did they actually do you know if they actually killed the creature

Sure. Now, I never met the man. This is a second-hand story, but he said it was shot and it was a smaller monkey is what he would tell his family without a tale. This is a random story. A guy just riding a horse one day bumped into me and said, hey, are you doing what I think you're doing? I kind of said, you know, when you hear that as researcher, like, uh-oh, here we go. But then I found out he was akin to my wife. His cousin is. distantly related to my wife's cousin. So it was somebody. This guy was in Georgia when I was talking to him, but he was referring to an instant that happened to on what's called Black Mountain when they're building the railroad up to Black Mountain in Nashville, North Carolina,

you know, that type of thing. But that is Judah color there, a reading of that. It was a great project. We worked with archaeologists on that project. I did for probably about four years and worked with the Eastern Rock Arts society and the forest surface and it's a great mysterious thing we've had a couple of tv shows and

i don't want to say which one i was before retired against them coming to film it because it went against the historical record that we'd uncovered about the rock uh you know how things can get changed a little bit or put into certain people's interpretations but the county let them do it so they've been two uh documentaries plus numerous youtube video videos has done at Judah C-U-D-L-A-U-D-U-L-A, Judah-C-O-L-A, is the English way of saying that. That is extremely interesting. And those legends and how they're woven into Native American history,

it's just so fascinating how, you know, you can start to wonder, you know, how much of that is related to Bigfoot in Sasquatch. And I know on the Pacific Northwest, you have a lot of that with the totem poles. But that's something I didn't know with the Judicola Rock. That's very cool. I'm going to look more into that for sure. Thank you for sharing that. It's really cool.

Yeah, most myths are based in some form of reality. you know and real quick like you'll hear me mention in just a minute about my son he's an athlete he's now a basketball recruiter for a school and and then my daughter has an interesting job she's older than my son but she's my anthropologist by degree and she's a zookeeper by trade and she works with grillism primates on a daily basis is what she does so I'm a little different to a law researchers I have heard about the ideas off of it's tough for her since she works at the North Carolina Zoo. She can't really comment publicly on things because they have to go through their media people. But commission is very knowledgeable. So I know a lot about primate behavior for sure, you know, because of her. That would be a really interesting. Oh, I bet you have some really interesting conversations. That would be cool. Yeah, we do. I'll mention one here in a little bit. I don't know if she'll appreciate me bishing it, but it's a little theory she had about just, you know, of Sasquatch, which I like better than Bigfoot. Bigfoot makes you think of just one.

Sasquatch makes you think of many kind of thing. And it's just a better name, I do believe. But yeah, I've had two sightings, Jeremiah, that, well, I guess I should tell you how I got into this. Absolutely, yeah. And again, it starts with my kids. I'm, again, Parks and Rec Director. And your dad ran, I think you said, a summer camp, wasn't it, camp director?

So you know being his son, how that works. You don't get to see him a lot. Oh, it's interesting. It's a lot of fun, but it's interesting, yeah. Yeah, so as a recreation programmer and recreation director for 20-something years, I was working a lot. But my son got up, my daughter never was interested in hunting, and I've quit hunting just because I'm into this.

And I don't know, it doesn't really fit my profile really good. I never was much of a, if I'm going to shoot something, I'm going to use it. You know, I just can't do that. I just always been my nature. And so I was taking my son, the very first thing that I noticed here was he was about 10 or 11. I just took him in the airport day. So we was trying to figure out it's been so long ago. He's a B30 this year.

And I took him to go deer scouting to teach him, you know, how to deer scouting. What it is, my dad had a little secret honey hole down near a river there in our area that was just a secret good little place. And we always put out salt blocks or apples, things like that. But we never hunted over it, if you know how that works. And so I took him and it is a heck of a walk down this really steep mountain into this little hole near the river. Perfect little pocket area. And his is tenderly. He's wore out, not much interesting things.

But as we were coming back up the ridge line, I don't know if you know about scouting, but you don't want to profile yourself on a ridge, though. You want to kind of stay below the break of the ridge. just kind of look over the ridge. So I was trying to show him that and he was laying down the leaves. He's like, Dad, I'm tired, you know, that type of thing. And I looked down in this area and it's kind of a bowl and that's where we're usually hunted at, but the salt block was over behind us kind of. And I looked at her in the middle of this little area's little opening and there were two hemlocks, you know, probably about, if I can get the direction right, about, you know,

yay big around. And I knew they were there. I just happened to notice that the top of the hops are out of them. Well, me being me, I kind of get into things as you asked other researcher. I just walk off lots of times to leave people. I just took off down the hill because I thought there's a bow hunter and had my hunting spot because we had a stand in there. So we and again, it's not a salt block. It's over the ridge from it. So I go tromps and down through there. I just leave William and it's just getting close to dark. You know, we get down there and I look up in these two big hemlocks, you know, about eight foot, I think I measured about eight foot four, both of them,

and they're kind of growing together, kind of, you know, side by side. But there's nothing anywhere around them, that close at all. The tops, when I got there, I was befuddled. They were twisted, twisted, and peeled. The peel probably was at least two foot long. And I was just blown away. You could see the fibers in the tree, Jeremiah. It was just, I'd never see anything like that.

I've seen plenty of black bear. I see, I think two years ago, I've seen seven, team black bear you know out researching and just goofing around uh but they you know they'll climb a cherry tree and strip it you know and then go down the bottom and eat the cherries off of it you know that type of thing so i'm looking for the tops right because i'm just befuddled and wills made it down there and he's laying the leaves again he's like dad you're stupid they're underneath the tree and there was both tops stuck point first underneath the tree they were dead really i pull them out and i'm looking at them i'd already checked a tree you know him like

have really thin branches. They're not really. So if something climbs that you could tell, he'd break it like a bear or something. And raccoon couldn't have done it. The only thing possible could have been a black pair. Well, the tops had no bottom marks on. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Now I'm really befuddled. It's hit me that Williams asking questions. I don't want to scare him because I want to go back in the woods. You know, I'm like, what is going on? So I go back there a couple weeks later, and I find two more of these things. And I'm really befuddled. So I start going on. This was again, I think, 2004 maybe.

And geez, I'm just, I'm doing all kinds of research now. And I've heard about Bigfoot. You could research it on the internet, doing tree twists. I'm like, what? There's no way that can be here in western North Carolina. That's stupid. And then another time, me and him were doing some scouting. And we came across this little spot.

It's hard to describe it. I'm trying to describe things. I hope I'm doing a good job. putting pictures where people can imagine. But we were on old trail and there's some barbed wires and it was like a little bit of a wet weather spring, Jeremiah, where water was seeping up. And it's kind of mossy.

But I could tell, again, subtle sign that something had went through there. I had just barely broke some of those briars a little bit. So I'd stop to show William. It was just about dark, getting dark and dusky dark. And we're close to the truck. And he's like, dude, I don't want to go.

And I'm like, we've something's been in here. Let's see what he is. So I stepped in there. once I got into that mossy wet weather area there it was his cleanest day about a 15-5-inch human-like footprint there were four of them I didn't know what think I was befuddled and my son's best friend played basketball I won't mention his name because I hadn't asked to say his name at North Carolina he's six foot eight his dad's six foot nine he always has this really you know he has a large foot and we didn't know how to refer he said dad that's bigger than my buddy's foot, you know. And I was like, he said, what is that? I was like, uh, you know, I didn't want to scare him.

There's no way it was a double track because, you know, I'm used to bear tracks and dad was a bear hunter. You can tell there'll be a little break in that line of the track. If that makes sense where you'll, you might not see the toes, but it won't make an even line. Absolutely. Yeah. And I was just like, no way.

And then we went back over again, uh, growing up with my dad, we'd do night rides a lot just to see wildlife when I was a kid. So I've always done those. So I started doing more of those. And whatnot, me and wind was driving on a gravel road close to this spot, maybe four months later, five. And we hear the loudest how you ever hear. We were driving where the wind is down and heard the howl.

That's how loud it was. So we stopped. And then it held again. And, of course, he figured out by then what was going on. He's like, Dad, is that a big foot? What is that? I said, well, it's not a coyote. It's not a owl.

And that's the way I kind of think, tell listeners out there i try to as much as i can jermott debunk things because it doesn't make any sense to go to the to the least likely thing first you want to go the most obvious thing first and then try to work your way down to that if that makes sense but that's the way i got started so years later i come on a website come upon a website this guy in north georgia and i was like hey that sounds cool i'll call a guy and his name was matt prud and uh matt uh he says it was two to three years we have a constant argument about how long it took him to get me to come to one of these BFRO things because I was just like, I hate to say, I'm going to go out there with them crazy people, you know,

and he finally taught me into it. And again, it was a good time because I was retiring in 2013. And it was in my area. He wanted to do one and wanted to use me as a resource and then as a, you know, a lead, you know, kind of a, you know, trail league guy for a night. and what was weird was when we were talking the first time, he said, hey, if you've been to this such and such spot,

and that was where I was having all this activity at, and I hadn't even mentioned it to it. It was just a weird coincidence, but me and Matt has become really close, and I know you've interviewed Matt and going to again, as you said. He's just a great resource and just a phenomenal. He studies stuff. It's amazing,

and he's just a really good friend. He lives, you know, so it's a little hard to get up with my, Matt, you know, we still get together some. And again, I was wrong about the, when I went there, I met a lot of people, biologist people, you know, all kinds of good researchers. It was a good thing. And after that night, that weekend, Matt wanted me to be a BFRO investigator.

And so I started doing it. I'd been doing a little on my own for four or five years. And so I agreed to do it reluctantly, as you can tell, as I'm, where when you call me or got hold of me. I kind of like to be in a shadow sometimes. It's just my way of being things. But Matt was a great resource, and I do appreciate him to get me started on this kind of mystery. And it led to, again, my first sighting in 2015. So I think you have a picture there of that somewhere. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. On this episode of Plant Killers, we'll explore One Nation's most notorious fruit

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It said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a Reese's. Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to height and taste? Mmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a Reese's. Yes, let's see. So that would be the... Is it the drawing? Yeah, the artist rendering. Got you. By the way, Jeremiah, that was done by a researcher, a good friend of mine, Sheila Johnson, can Kentucky. She's kind of taking a little break from research her and her husband, T.J.,

but Sheila had done some artwork. And the way this worked, again, like I mentioned, I like to take night rides and, boy, I don't know. I got the best supportive wife in the world that's put up with me. But it was, I think it was June. I have a note here somewhere. June 23rd, I think, or it was June in 2015. And it was very green. But what it was is the wax and crescent moon, which is, you know, hunting moon. It was real clear night and I was like, you know, it was like 10 o'clock at here where I live. And this is research area where I saw it at was. Well, actually, I wasn't in a research area. I was just driving one. It's about 30 miles away. So I just said, hey, I'm going to go out and ride tonight and see if I hear something and make a little noise and take

my recorders, which I do. So I was going on up the road. Actually, I was listening to ACDC, which Charlie Raymond loves, if you know Charlie with the Kentucky Bigfoot group. he loves that story because he likes ACDC and down at the bottom of the mountain I see three deer right and I was like oh yeah so I start slowing down you know as I'm climbing up this mountain on Highway 64 I don't like to give out the exact locations Jeremiah and I apologize to everybody about that but there's a reason behind it

one is a lot to keep an area fairly pure because if you get a lot of people in there you make it noise you just don't know what's what you know and also nowadays there's a lot of people with thermoscopes and they say they'll want to shoot one. And I just don't know. That's not a safe thing, if that makes sense. But there's Highway 64, and I was climbing up the mountain there.

So I'd already slowed up. And as I come into what I call an S turn, going through this S turn, I was only doing 20-mile an hour. And I see a coyote. And a coyote was not, it just struck me on it. He was on the right-hand side of the road. And I just about stopped. I let off the gas because I didn't.

didn't know if he was going to run in front of him, but he wasn't looking at me. I'll never forget. He was not looking at me. He was looking across the road, which I thought was weird. He never looked at my truck. And so I just about stopped because I thought he might run in front of me. I didn't want to hit it. And then when I just kind of panned the way he was looking, and this is what I saw off the guard behind the guard. And it's very steep where this was at. So it's hard to tell the size of it. But that's what I saw. And she did a good job on the drawing. It had one of his arms, kind of curled like that. And I will tell you, it didn't have fur. I got about a good three-second look because I just kind of coasted by. And I had audio running. So the audio is just that if I played it, you would laugh so crazy. Because I'll start talking to myself. It was just, I couldn't believe what I saw.

Again, a no neck, a low, like a dome for a head. And again, one of the reasons from talking to my daughter is, you know, the jaw line for some primates or below the shoulder. shoulder. So from the back, it'll look like there's no neck. You know, they're not like our jaw line, which is above the shoulders kind of thing. That's incredible. I didn't know that. That's awesome. Yeah, if you look at guerrillas, you know, you'll see her chimps where their jaw line is, particularly grillas. And it didn't have fur. That's a big thing. I always like to give people my presentation of the tips that I saw. It had hair, scraggly hair. This is June, so it's kind of hot.

It did have some stuff in its hair. I remember seeing that. And I could definitely see the the back line, you know, the spine line. And as she drawled there, I couldn't, it's such a quick glance at it. I couldn't see if it was gray hair or just kind of grayish, light skin kind of. It did move. And I just coasted by. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't turn around real quick.

I had to go up. And then I started trying to tell myself, oh, Jeff, you seen a dead pine tree. Because this thing was like a burnt brown color. You know how a dead white pineal look, Jeremiah. And so I said, okay, that's what it was. You're just jumping to conclusions, you know, which is kind of like confirmation bias. You know, you're going to listen for something. Maybe you just thought you saw something.

So I cruised back down, nothing. There's absolutely nothing there now. And I was like, holy cow. And I made some calls. Coyotes bark, you know, of course, there's a pack of coyotes because there's that one. Didn't hear anything weird. Went back up. I spent about four hours.

I called him at 12.30 at night, just losing it, you know. And this is how great Matt he is. And I keep complimenting him. He's going to pay me $5 or something. But he immediately said, Jeff just draw. I mean, I'll walk him up. He's like, Jeff just starts sketching. And which was a great tip.

So I felt like the guy from close encounters, you know, where he's building the Wyoming thing, you know. Absolutely. I must have 75 sketches here where I was drawing. And I couldn't figure out. arm for a while then it hit me that it just had it curled up. And interesting tidbit on that. My mother passed away last year.

She was two weeks away from being 100 years old. And I'll never forget showing her this the first time about a year later because she kind of got interested in just watching shows and stuff. And like the first time I showed her a cast from out west, she said, oh, that's not a human. It doesn't have an instep. This very, very matter of frank country rock, you know. And then when I showed her this, she said, what time of year was?

And I said, June, she said, oh, it might have had a baby in its arms. I didn't even think about that. Wow. That's an incredible observation thought. That's nuts. Yeah. Yeah, it was just a thought by her because that coyote was there. And I don't know.

I did have one of my best friends whose son played it, North Carolina. He's six foot nine. He went there. I can't believe he did. It stood on the side of the road the next day. and I can't tell you the height, but I can tell you it was way bigger than him width-wise. It was very broad. It had a very athletic, if you notice, a narrow waist.

But it was, it would definitely had to weigh it close to 400, 500 pounds, probably, probably around 400. You know, people always underestimate or overestimate like bears here. You know, it's, oh, it's a 500-pound bear when most of the time it's 250-pound bear. And I do think that happens to Sasquatch a lot. But it was incredibly sight. It was just an amazing thing. I'll never forget. I said a little prayer because I'm a very faith-based person.

And I just couldn't believe. I knew I've seen something very, very rare. And I hope to see another one. And what was really weird about this siding, Larry Sidwell, I think you said you had interviewed Larry. I talked to Larry. He's a great guy. Yeah, he is.

I couldn't do this report. He had to do it on me because I'm an investigator, you know. So he did a report. But what was weird is before this, Larry didn't know I had a siding. He calls me, it's like Jeff. You've probably heard of the BFRO database, which is the flats, we call it. Big database of possible sidings. Now, a lot of them not being investigated, but, you know, there's just a bunch.

And he said, Jeff, there's a siding close to you, a guy. I had really not siding, I should say, that heard a how and found some track. The guy was on the Appalachian Trail doing like a weekend hike around this National Forest there at Nautilahela. And well, I'll tell you, it's standing Indian national campground area. And I talked to the guy. I didn't even tell Larry I had a siding yet. And I told him later, but that happened four days after my sight. and it's 4.5 miles from where I saw this at.

So could be a weird coincidence or it could be the same one. They had heard a hell of a night that woke them up. It was not a coyote. This guy raises Christmas trees. He has coyotes on his property up in Virginia, North Carolina line all the time. He's a great witness. So the next morning they were going down Applatch and Trail, and his buddy's boot hill come on.

So they looked at the map and seen this little hidden trail. It's amazing they found it on a map. And I know it real well because of dad. And it goes down to the campground. So they're trying to take a shortcut as they went down in this. And if you'd imagine in Smoky Mountains or our area, this is outside of the Smokies. But we're a tempered rainforest just like out west. So in June and July, I got in there about July 4th where they were at.

The weeds are 6-7 foot tall in this area. just crazy. But they had found where something had went through this trail crossed, and they followed it for a little bit, and they started finding these big imprints and the leaf matter. And that's hard to find because, you know, the substrate dictates how you can find a track. People don't realize that. Hooves animals are completely different, flat-footed animals. It's even hard to find barretrax or people tracks.

He just can't. But this was a kind of a wet area. They were seeing that. Then he found some weird stuff like mushroom. that were picked but turned upside down sitting on a log near these tracks which is kind of wild and a guy was a great witness but it was wild that it was only four days after my sighted and it's a good what I would call and I'm starting to give you information I don't really give before I call them corridors you know these things are constantly on the move I wouldn't say

they're nomadic in my opinion these are just my opinions Jeremiah but I would say they have a massive territory though and they're constantly moving because that's the only thing it makes sense but that was my first sighting there so sorry to ramble so much there but about your sighting so i have two questions um could you see any muscle definition underneath the hair any the two seconds but just curious that's a good question i definitely could see some muscles in the shoulder area i'm trying to remember and and i definitely could see some muscles in the shoulder area i'm trying to remember and and i definitely could see what's it called? I don't know a proper term for it, but you know in the lower back area,

above the butt area, the indentations. And I will also notice when Saito stood there, you know how people's shoulders roll in kind of? I notice it shoulders rolled in kind of at the top of the shoulders. But I did see muscle definition in the lower back for sure. It was very muscular. I don't know if you remember the Rassler,

Bam Vader that wrestled in the WWE for a long time. He had this massive. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, Vader. Yeah, yeah. Totally. But you know how he had a thin waist. That's the way this thing, this thing had some massive shoulders. And then this really athletic looking waist, it was phenomenal.

It just took me back. But, you know, like I mentioned to you before we started, and I hope I'd say this quote, yeah, I tell people when they ask me what happened. And, you know, it's a hell of a thing when a myth turns into reality. And your body, I just, I didn't realize to I went back in town like four hours later to all-out Walmart to get me something to drink. Oh, I walked in. The guy, of course, said, welcome Walmart. And then I realized I was drenched and sweat.

I had this crazy, my wife when I called her, she said, what is wrong with you? I just had this reaction. And that's one thing I look for in good reports is the way I don't tell. tell people by I'm looking, it's hard to explain when you can't, you see something that's not really actually supposed to be there. So. It really, it really affects a person, doesn't it? Oh, it, it's, yeah, you kind of, yeah, you can't let it go.

And then my second siding real quick, like was from East Coast, that's a group we have, a researchers, basically on the kind of Midwest East Coast area, a great group at Charles Kimbrough and Lori Wade and some other people that starred Larry, great people in there. And we got some reports about two fishermen on separate occasions and see something at a state park in Virginia. So we went up there and real quick like this siding was just again luck. But I was walking up to a group we'd been separated because I like to do a little technique where I stay back behind people and listen. And a guy just started researching who's a really good friend of my nanofil researcher, George Regley was with me wanting to stay back.

And we kept hearing some things, which I think was a separate one. But as we come close to the group, my cell phone went off. My wife had texted me, you know, how you can just randomly get a message signal, you know. And I was like, oh, no, because I didn't want anything light in my face that night. I wasn't even using thermals or anything. But the moon was out. And Georgia went past the group and the other two people with Rick Rellis. I don't think they'll mind me, miss your name.

Who's a BFR investigator. Rick's a great guy. He's one of the first guys I talked to like four years ago. He's so good. Yeah. Yeah, great fella. And then Steve Poppleton, who's from Georgia, was with us. And as I walked up the group, I looked up the ridge because one of the techniques

to daddy always show me hunting, so you profile again, the ridge line, especially on moonlit night, because you can see something move like a ear flip or something's bedded down. So I was looking for movement. But this wasn't on the ridge. It was below the ridge. I see this big, large, I thought it was a burnout stump. You know how I kept, I remember saying myself, I don't remember that being a fire.

People talking about a fire here. It's just dark thing. And it was pretty well lit up there, not where you could see facial features, but you can see just something dark. So I'll come up and Lori said, they like to call me Jeff Squatch. And that's another story from different time in Kentucky. It's a funny story. If you read Charlie Raymond's book, it's in his book while they call me that. But, and Georgia again, it went on.

So can she just say, Jess, watch what's up? I said, I just sorry about my phone going off. And we were talking. I remember Rick was wrapping up his parabolic mic. Then we hear just sound with, and we were like, George is that you? And he on the audio, we didn't catch it because everything else happened after. George goes negative like this real quiet, you know, like, oh. And I just told a lawyer.

I said, Lord, I think that was George, you know. And then I just made eye contact. I looked up the ridgeline again, this time of gull. You know, kind of like this. I'm going straight up, very steep. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. On this episode of Plant Killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad?

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Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a recess. And, you know, again, that stuff was there. When I made eye contact with it, I remember Rick was talking to Steve and putting up his parabolic, and he was kind of turning towards me. I see this arm come out, and you had hair hanging down. Now, keep in mind, I know bears real well, bears can't do that kind of movement, you know,

where your arm goes out like this. You know, they don't have clavicles, you know, they don't have shoulders, but they just can't do that. and it kind of took me off guard, and then I see a leg, and then it just takes off running astronomically fast. It's hard to describe how fast this was. And then Rick kind of sees it at the tail end of it,

because it goes kind of past my eyesight. There's a little knoll there, and he, because I say, sorry, a cuss word that I do sometimes, and I hate to do that because it's startle me, you know. And the best way to describe what I saw was a, as a catcher,

in a squat and he takes off running but he don't stand up he's just kind of leaning forward now the movement i've never seen you know again i'm a basketball trainer i train kids for basketball or used to all you know for 40-something years uh i know movements and i see bear bear you know can't do a smooth move jeremiah or if they were squatted or standing up it's more of a plop kind of you know, they just can't control that if you ever seen that in a video. It's just weird. They can walk a little bit, but when they want to go down to four,

it's just pulled. And this thing was on two feet, by the way, leaning. And one of a lot of Blackburn's books later on, I found a sketch that looks just like and I forgot to send you a picture of that. Of course, I hadn't asked Lyle to use it, but it's more like what I saw. It was about leaning

just about completely over, and it was so fast. But now it was slowly kind of standing up. I've seen it maybe five steps. And, of course, Rick saw it, and then we kind of lose it. But that was that siding there, and it was phenomenal to see the movement. That was something in all my years, I've never seen anything move like that. The only thing maybe I've seen accelerate that fast is when I used to go L-cutt and I've seen Antelope out west that could accelerate that fast.

Wow, that must have been really fast. How long was the hair hanging down from the arms? Well, it was about, it was a debate, and we had George go up there and run the next day, and it was just way bulk here in George. But it's hard to tell again. It's night time, but I did see hair hanging out. But I would say two, three inches, good enough to tell they were hair there, if that makes sense, in the moonlight.

Maybe longer than that, but I definitely saw hair coming down. And the arm come out straight from the body, forward, you know, from the body towards me. It was to the side. Okay. That floored me, you know, uh, you know, that's only, people can only do that, you know, it's just not a normal movement for any wildlife you see. Again, the size of it, George, I think, weighed 200 pounds, he said in those days, I'm getting him pretty good right now. I said those days, he might be a little more than that. But, uh, it was just so much more bulkier than him. And I'm talking about the width of the thing. That's what I can't. Everybody gets focused on height.

I can't get off how wide and how strong these things are. They have to do a lot with their shoulders. They're probably on all fours a lot sometimes, you know, or, you know, digging. They just, what I saw was very powerful both times. It was a fascinating thing. So that's my stories and I'm sticking to it. I'm like the first encounter. I have to ask, though, what A.D.

What ACDC song was playing when you saw the Bigfoot? Before it, I'd cut it down when I saw the deer. It's a little quieter because I'd roll the window down. Yeah. You know, because I, you know, might see some wildlife. Right. I think it was a highway to hell, if I'm not in the state. All right.

That works. You sound like you like ACDC. No, but, I mean, if someone's going to make the movie of your sighting, they have to know what, you know, they have to know what song to play. I hope you don't do that. Maybe they get Brad Pitt to play me because of it. There you go. That'll be a bad interpretation of me if they get Brad Pitt.

That's funny. Hey, Jeff, we should play some of these sounds. What do you think? Yeah, that's one of the things I've gotten into. Again, thanks to Mahongaheli and David Ellis and people, Charles Kimbrough. I've gotten into just, I love doing audio and we do long duration of records. But the first one that I sent you there, the one, it's, I recorded, it's just hard to explain.

I had this area, and that's for another podcast probably because it's just, I've had so many things happen. But I had an area where Lori was doing an expedition. Lori Wade, if you know Lori with the BFR, she does great expeditions, by the way. And I was doing a field here again. I had five people with me that had never been in the woods of an eye. We had a four-pound rock thrown at us. I found the rock. Oh, wow.

It was crazy. So I kept going back to this area. having some things. I was working on Pavlos theory, you know, where I, and make one sound immediately leave. Well, this time I decided I'm going to aggravate George and Lori, so I went up to this little field where we'd been having some activity and was trying to call them because it was a signal there. So I broke my pattern a little bit. And basically what you'll do is you'll hear me. I was, you know, texting me, hey, y'all are working and I'm just out here

goofing off because I'm retired. I'm in woods, you know. And of course, I got them for a second, but I thought I heard something and then you'll hear me walking a little bit. And then you hear a very clear wood knock. And you hear me do what's called a descending hook call, which they do a lot. And then you'll hear the reply. And I did amplify that reply, Jeremiah, just so my presentations, people can hear it better. All right. So I'm trying to remember which one. 1029. 18, I think, or something like that, 10, something 18. Oh, okay. Yep, yep, yep.

All right, let's try this one. Yeah, this is it. You'll hear me walking. That's the wood not. And then that's the reply I got back. Yep. I kind of cut it off. I did say a bad word at the end of that, sorry, but I was just startled.

It sounded like a disembodied voice to me until, again, the good thing about audio, you know, it's hard to prove stuff with audio, but you can also just document. document better what you can hear. And sometimes, Jeremiah, you won't hear something, but there's actually something going on too. It's just weird how that works. But I sent that to Mahongahili, David, out west. And there's a little bit of debate of whether it's one or two. But he thinks it's a triple whoop.

I think it might be two. We put all our audio on audacity, which is a probably going to do a spectrograph and look at it in the hurts that's at. and it seems to me it might be another one kind of quietening down another one like a younger one. But it mimicked me right back. And wow, I was just startled, to be honest. It was crazy. But audio is a good way to get involved in the research. It's very simple.

Just keep your recorder with you. I use mine on my backpack. It's constantly running. I've learned my lesson. Learn that from Turkey Hunt with Dad. You can slam the door going turkey out. and all of a sudden there's a gobby real close. In other words, you better cut that audio on right when you get out of the truck.

You just don't know. The randomness of this stuff amazes me. And again, that's the way nature works. It's just random when you see things or hear things. And there is another audio. I try to give your listeners a wide variety of things. Everybody focuses on the big house. The second one I like for your play is a recording that it was given to me from another researcher.

and I can't give you the location, but there's a hiker on Appalachian Trail years ago recorded this. This is the North Georgia vocals. I use this as a presentation. He has a lot of different sounds in this one, Jeremiah. Okay. Hear the whoop. That is wild.

So that's, you said it's North Georgia? Yeah, on the Appalachian Trail. He just happened to have a video recorder with him. He recorded that on a video recorder of a night. It woke him up. And there's, they do, make in my opinion again, these are all my opinion and experiences, they make more subtle noises than they do the big loud ones. And you're a perfect example there of a whoop, uh, which is kind of like

a gibbon will make. You know, it's a yeah, exactly. It's a on a spectrograph, it'll look like a backslash. And I've heard that. Yep. Yep. It's hard for people to really make that call the way they can control it. It's very hard to duplicate it. Believe me, I practice it ever red light. You know, I don't know what people think about me in another car, but I like to practice my calls, you know. I think you do have to get them to interact, well, not interact, but react to noises sometimes. We really know if they're in a location. Although I will tell you, a lot of people confuse coyote calls with Bigfoot calls. And they are, yeah.

I'm one of the rare people that seem both together. They are, maybe symbiotic. In other words, one works off the other one kind of. I don't know. They're not walking around like one on, got one on a leash or something like that. But you know what I'm talking about? Maybe one makes a kill,

the other one comes in and robs from the other one. There's tons of things in nature that are symbiotic, you know. Oh, yeah. People don't know that term. That's the little bird that's sitting on the back of the rhino or whatever. You know, he's eating all the bugs off the rhino kind of thing. But so they'll confuse calls.

And I encourage anybody wants to get in research. You've got to know your sounds. And there are a lot of good sound labs. You know, at Cornell University, has a great one. Has ever known mammal bird sound. But to really, you got to eliminate the obvious things first. But there's not many things that are here that make that whoop sound. I can tell you that for sure, you know.

I don't know if the howl I sent you will play really good. I've tried to remember what I sent you there, Jeremiah. I recorded it in Smokie's Backlack. fall just luckily we're talking about i think it's a bobcat we saw on thermal and then our other researchers walking up and behind us on a bridge where there's nothing this is howl comes from all right well we'll see if this is the right one here those guys are coming yeah it's a great scene yeah it's faint in the background probably if they have headphones they can hear it but probably if they don't have headphones but it's a it's definitely a how i've seen

again we try to vet everything it's pretty good and send it to multiple people one of the things you'll notice with the howls the good house is the way they end you know and mongahelik's playing that better because he's an expert in the field but they will end with the i guess it would be like the ooze sound kind of thing or awe sound like uh i have a little cheat sheet here i can tell you it's like uh the uh the who would be like mop and then the the other sound that can't Can't make is the boot sale if that makes sense, the double O sale. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. So if you notice at the end of the North Georgia louder sound, you'll hear the aw kind of thing.

Canines can't make that sale and all. Oh, that's cool. And then also duration is a big thing because canines usually are very, except for wolves. You know, of course, we have red wolves and more climbers they're down on the coast, and they're not like the gray wolves, you know, up north. but they can how longer and do different sounds. And there is an audio I didn't send you, but it's on YouTube,

the St. Louis County, Minnesota sounds that were recorded by a BFRO investigator for like, he had an LDR out long duration recorder and it lasts for close to 40 minutes. We'll start them off, but again, something comes closer. It makes what's called a zipper call, which is just like a whistle,

you know, the whistle thing you use in the band. Yeah. It's just crazy sound. I don't know what can make that. But it sounds like a zipper? Yeah. Oh, boy.

Like that real quick. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've heard that. Okay. Okay. I've also heard of an actual, like, Bigfoot making a zipper type noise as well. And they can do that. And they do do that.

But keep in mind, I did debunk some years ago because it happened to me. And then I thought I had one then to realize what it was. is a bug fly by my life. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. Oh, interesting. Yep. Okay. But they do make a zipper call, though.

And then, you know, the whoop calls are like gibbons. If you know, again, my daughter, she listens these, and she says, Dad, that's a gibbon. You know, that's like a, it's, you know, fascinating sounds. but the audio is a good way to document things. And I thoroughly enjoy doing that, Jeremiah, you know, for my own purposes. My whole thing as an investigator is to document things. I've been working now really hard. This spring's been tough since the knee surgery, but to get quality evidence.

And I'm just really doing that to turn it over to somebody like my daughter in the future. Everybody wants me to work on a book. And I might do that. My goal was 10 to 11 years of documenting things. And then I have probably right now about what I'd call, and this first time I really talked about it publicly, about 85 data points in my area that I consider very credible witness reports, sightings of mine or other people's, or good audio occurrences.

And I've tossed a lot that's not in there. but I will tell you they do fit a little bit of a corridor kind of thing. One of the things that's fascinating in our area is we have a lot of man-made lakes. If you know anything about Western North Carolina, Fontana is our biggest, which is right near the Smokies. But there's way more than that and in Georgia. So not to let the cat out of the bag a little bit, but those lakes force things to go places, if that makes sense.

Oh, I totally get it. Yeah. And I'll hopefully talk more about it, but I want to have in the future just way more documentation and more thought into it than just throwing something out. And the Bigfoot world is a very skeptical place, as you know, and it's just human nature with people. You know, most of the reports I get, I'd say 75 to 80 percent are misidentifications. Maybe somebody just wanting to be famous, whatever. But it's like Dr. Krantz used to say Grover Krantz. the famous anthropologist that it only takes one track to be real to make it real.

You know, so 20% of those, in my opinion, that I've worked on have been real things. And again, I just two weeks ago had a contractor in our area, stopped me in Ingalls. In fact, he was so animated. I was in a checkout line. And he's a family friend of mine. I've known him for 50-something years. And he said, Jeff, I got to tell you something.

You still do that stuff. You know, it's funny how that stuff. Right. It's not like it's a taboo word to say. Yeah. But he said, he was working by himself in a real remote area, building and retaining wall, and got off his back hole and heard a wood knock sound. And he don't really believe in this stuff.

And he didn't know what think. It startled. He was so loud. And he turned around and looked in rhododendrum. And he's seen its head and shoulders in this rotodendron patch looking at him. And then when he made eye contact, it popped back down and was gone. It freaked him out. out really bad. I mean, he'd been looking for me for about three or four months to find me to,

you know, yeah, you could just tell this guy had seen something. It was just, he was just animated. And he's 60 something years old, you know, wow. Yeah, again, equipment, by the way, Jeremiah, I've had some experiences where heavy equipment's been left and they're in the area. I don't know if it's curiosity. You know, that happened, you know, was it Bluff Creek, Willa Creek? Oh, sure. Yeah, exactly. building log roads. But like when we got, I think there's one other audio there that's a wood knock. I sent you if you want to play that.

That's a, but there's a motor grader parked there where we parked at night. It's a great example of a wood knock. I think it says W. W.A. Y, W.A.H. Which means wolf and Cherokee. Okay.

Here we go. You hear it sound like a baseball app. That was wild. It stopped us in our tracks. We'd been out all night. Didn't have anything happening with my good friend researcher, George Wrigley and his son. And I really wanted his son to experience something.

He'd never, in fact, we're walking towards this old cabin at 4 o'clock in the morning. I just wasn't going to stop. Again, I get that way. I just will keep going. And we'd had some, I'd found a track there. And a bow hunter had sent me a report real close to there. He'd seen one bow hunting. So I said, let's go down to the old cabin.

I remember out going, Jeff, I'd just rather, they'd be a big foot here. And it's scary. It's like a ghost could be here. And then that would knock happen right when we got close. And it stopped us in the track. And we kind of messed up and went around this cabin, hurriedly trying to cut it off. And it ended up what I think.

I could hear it in the leaves crawling. I think it dropped down all fours. But I would call that a sentinel kind of thing because I think they do that sometimes while the family group's feeding. They'll have one on a lookout kind of. And they won't do that until you get really close to something or they get agitated. but there's no there's nothing i put an lDR there for four months and only heard one other wood knock like that i could hear acres hitting the cabin i heard all kinds of stuff but nothing that

you know how that was chris germany i just sound like a baseball bat hitting a ball yeah definitely not not an acorn i mean that's that's that was very very distinct yeah and it has force behind it you know in a christmas i don't know how they do that I do think sometimes he'll do a mouth clack, which sounds like a wood knock, but it's not. And then it could do a chest slap to, I think Rick Reillis tonight, we had deciding had heard a chest slap right before I'd walked up to them there. That's one of the reasons you had his parabolic out, you know, that type of thing. But that's, you know, audio is a great thing to do there. And it does document some unknown sounds that biologists can't explain.

explain and uh uh you know and and it's just kind of fun too to be honest to listen those recorders kind of like put you there every night and you don't have to be there uh it is you know one thing jeremiah about this stuff research and uh true there are people that want to be researchers but they like tonight say this pretend to be researchers but to do true research or documentation of data and things like that is one the hardest things they've ever done and i'm retired this is incredibly hard i tell people it's like looking for a needle in haystack but haystack moves around constantly you know and to get you know something like a crisp wood knock sound not a tap not a limb break and not an acre and falling not a uh uh what's it called up uh your way the hedge apple

falling you know oh yeah them things you know they're huge you know when they fall yeah so but again I think what's important to new people getting into this is you need to know the sounds. Now, keep mind, I grew up raccoon hunting on my dad of a night with a lantern and that was it. And night sounds. So from age five to probably 14 or 50 when I got into high school sports and was too busy, I did that all the time. I just loved it to go with my dad. It was kind of, you know, he was kind of like, I don't know, a superhero, walk around in dark, you know.

But these were places he grew up as a kid. you know and my grandfather had a and my great-grandfather had a hunting well before they were national parks here they let them free-range cattle and pigs mineral companies own the rights to massive tracts of property but you could apply in free-range you know what you wanted to raise and they would do that but they had a remote cabin way back in standing Indian National or not a Hayin National Park and daddy and his brother was a walk in the supplies when they were just kids and then walked back of a night with lantern. So he knew this area where I'm talking about had my first sighting by the back of his hand.

So I have a big advantage there. And then knowing the night sounds, and I still, I studied. Tonight's a pretty night. I might end up riding, we got the Blue Ridge Parkway here. I might go up and go to a few overlooks and just sit and listen. It's just a really neat thing that I enjoy. to do you know and uh uh and i stumbled in on this and thanks to matt pruit i'll throw that in our case he listens to this it's his fault i said i think it's really cool how you have that

uh that uh friendship with with matt prud it's that's very cool uh i would say so you know ending ending out our our discussion uh together and jeff thank you for hanging out tonight but probably a question you may have gotten before but the thinking of of the Sasquatch what do you think it is that we are are dealing with out there have you come to grips with it's probably more this type of thing rather than another thing or do you have any thoughts about that well that's the loaded question isn't it it is it always pops up I love it and by the way you do a great job but we've just kind of met this past few months.

And I've listened to some of your podcasts. I really appreciate the way you approach things. And even asking that question, it's a good one. I will tell you, I can't remember who was it. Is it Grover Crants or somebody? You can't answer, solve a mystery with another mystery. You can't. So I tend to be more on the, you know, and I'm open-minded.

I've seen some weird things out in the woods and you will, weird lots and things like I told you. when we're talking on the phone, you know, kind of debunk. And I've seen what my mother called mineral lights or spirit lights. These are like the brown mountain lights. I've seen two of those are weird. But I don't see how people make cool. Let's say example. They see a weird light in the sky, but then they see a big foot later.

What makes you think they're anywhere connected at all? You know, you can't do that. You're just, you know, you just can't do that. And I'm more, I try to be more, I guess, scientific-based or just fact. based i'm going to sure uh but what i saw particularly uh the first time and then saw move was very primate like i should say that now that goes into all kinds of territories people always say well jeff you know i'm not an ape well you are a primate and then the religion thing pops up but i don't jeremiah get into i think one of the problems humans have is we want to try to uh be god

does that make sense and we're not we're actually, what's that, there's a term, anthro-morphism, anthroporphism, if I'm saying it right, which is a Greek term that means that we were taught by the Greeks. They taught that we're over nature, over things. And actually, we're just a part of nature is what it is. And here lately, I think a lot of people's got that kind of

throw it in their face a little bit. We are. We could die out and the world's still going to go around. So what I saw was definitely a living creature. Now, I don't know, and it was upright, very muscular. It was not an apparition. Let me tell you'll go through. Did I see an apparition?

Did I see something time playing itself? You'll go through all these things in a true siding. It is amazing. I had a young lady report of siding. It's not posted on BFRO yet. But when I called her, it's been a year and a half ago, she started crying. And she couldn't even talk of work. She had to go outside her car.

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And it is. It's just, but I do think it's a living, breathing form of a primate. I've heard noises. I've heard them and I've got documentation of them walking. And that was at Standing Stone in Tennessee where Mary Green did a lot of research if you know who Mary Green was. It's either, it was either that. You know, on the spectrograph, Jeremiah, you can tell if it's bipedal by the lines, you know, because of course. quite a pedal shuffle kind of, you know. And this was definitely bipedal. I'm sitting in pitch dark. It's walking. And another researcher with Kentucky and BFR Jack Smar, who's a great guy, he likes to take a tom-tom. And I knew he's going to do that.

So I'd snuck off from the group. I really believe to get a perimeter area about 200 yards. Keep mind these things can hear probably really, really good. So they're coming close, but not as close as you think until they feel more comfortable. just want to kind of figure out what's going on. So I'm trying to, you know, get out there and listen. And I heard this. And it was definitely, it steps over a lot. You can hear it taking a longer step. Oh, wow. I was beside myself, because if I cut my light on and it's standing in the road, it was up above me on in the leaves, is how I could hear it. I would have just passed out,

you know, because there's this thing. But it's, it was either that or a person. And it's more creepy that it's a person that's walking around in a dark in the middle of nowhere. I mean, that's kind of weird. But I do think to answer your question, it's some form of a primate that I saw, particularly the movement that I saw run. It looked very ape-like. And I get to see guerrillas a lot, so I see how they move. This move more like a chimp would move kind of, but fast like that, you know,

not lumbering like a grilla. It got gone. And I think it was a juvenile in the rock clack we heard was a warning that it got out, open because Lori saw it come down the ridge and stopped and she was afraid to say anything. I forgot to mention that. She just thought she was seeing things. And then when we talked about later, she said, I did see something move. I just thought it was I seen things.

So I think it was a juvenile that got out in the open a little too much. That's what that rock clack was for. And when I broke the audio down, you can hear a little bit. I think I have four recordings now. And you have to really listen to them with headphones. but it's like a nervous tick. You'll hear a wine kind of. You know, like a dog will do sometimes.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Right. Ooh, who kind of thing. And you can hear that very faintly. And another time when we had a tree pushed over and I walked up to an area and I could hear something moving. I heard a little bit of a mumble. And not talking, but just, you know, a noise and then a wine kind of thing. Now, of course, bears could make different sounds too, but they make more of a huff. and sound. And then if you're, you know, on sightings, if people see an upright bear to tell you,

you know, their ears will be on top, no clavicles. So when they stand up, they look like an egg. There's no shoulders. There's no shoulders at all in the bear. Yeah. They just don't have clavicles. And so, and then you'll see ears on top of the head. That's tell, tell things for people, you know, to see. Lots of times people will see different angles, so it looks different. And misidentifications is a big thing in this, but keep in mind it only takes one credible thing like Dr. Crantz said for it to be a real thing. And, uh, exactly. And by the way, just a little shout out for Dr. Meldrum. I don't know if you heard he had it. It happened on the cruise. And I hope he's doing well. I hope he's doing good. We're, we're kind of all

waiting to, to hear the news about how that is. But that standing stone state park comes up more often than not on this show. It's weird, man. Like that area, there's, there's something going on because it comes up over and over on my show. It is very interesting. Yeah. And a lot of it's due to Mary Green's great research.

Sure. By the way, Matt knows new Mary. I don't know if you know that. And he can talk a lot about Mary, if he will. You know, I don't know if you want to do that. And he's saying because he's talking about his book. But he knows a lot about. out that and she did some great research there and spent a lot of time uh document things and again

if you ever go there it's a small state park but there is a lot of there's a national there's a forest around it too which is totally different uh you know it's not you know there's two different places name wise so it's a bigger area what most people think and there is water there lakes and a lot of little tributaries and it is what i in my opinion great uh corridor a good transition area where they kind of move through sometimes. You know, again, if these things stay in one cove as big as they are, Jeremiah, you're going after a while, you're going to see fine of them. They would just mad everything down weed wise.

It's just common sense, you know. So they're constantly probably moving in foraging, so what's going on. But it's a great thing. And I encourage people out there if they've never been into an expedition or been out. I know you've been out at some time. I think I've seen you've been out here recently. It's just a big thing to do.

Yeah, I bet two times in Iowa. Yeah. Oh, in Iowa. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I'm from central Iowa. So that's where we, we go out. It's fun.

It's fun. Yeah, I hope to maybe get your, my son's moved to Wisconsin now. He's up near Waukeson, what is Paul's from. Okay. They are working now. He just flew back today, him and his girlfriend.

But hopefully I get up here. I'm going to be up in Ohio working the Susan Fairchalks and that moneymaker, the drone thing there. Very nice. I got a private thing doing Ohio to in Kentucky. And I've been up to Ohio, spoke at B Mills. I don't know if you interviewed B. I haven't yet, but I know. Yeah.

Yeah, she's very good. And her festival, I think the first year was last year. And I spoke there. We had 12,000 people at the first. festival. This year they had 42,000 people show up. That was Hawking Hills, right? Hocking Hills, yep. Holy then, 42,000. I think 41, 42,000. That's wild, man. They did that from drone footage. Wow. And she does a great job of that. But she has some great audio, by the way, too, and just some good track finds. But yeah, it's a, and like I said, I was wrong about my first trip into this. There's some great

people in this. I've met some who just off the charts, great people, very knowledgeable, and they do a lot of work in it. I think lots of times the research gets misinterpreted. And, you know, you got a lot of couch people out there that, you know, want to. Right. You know, I encourage people to get out and experience things for yourself, like a sunrise or, you know, go out in spirits, you know, a starlit night, you know, a moonlit night, go out in the woods and, you know, go with credible people, be safe with it. But it is a great experience. And then if you can get lucky and have something happen, it's really unique, you know.

But they are a real living thing. Absolutely. I know that for a fact, for sure. I agree with you there. Jeff, it has been such a fascinating conversation. You're one of those guys. I feel like I could chat with forever, but thank you for coming on. It has been a fun one.

is there a way that, you know, let's say someone was listening to this and they're like, oh, man, you mentioned this area. I had something that happened in that area. Is there a way people can contact you or do you kind of just keep under the radar with this stuff? They can post stuff on a BFRO site. All right. But if you're not comfortable with that, they can send me an email at a Jeff Carpenter 16 at yahoo.com. Cool. And I check my email there.

I prefer not giving out my phone number. I get more of my reports, Jeremiah, just by word of mouth people contact me. You know, hey, you're the big foot guy kind of thing. And I'm amazed at how many people, particularly professional people, like a policeman. I've had park rangers. They won't talk about things until they're really retired. Oh, yeah. I've had some good reports from I could go on and on about different things.

And hopefully in the future we can do another one. I'd like to talk to you about what I call the orange incident that happened at the bait station. It would take a whole episode talking about it. Yeah. Well, hey, it sounds good to me. I'll be in touch. But, yeah, they can contact me there. And I do encourage people.

I do think a lot of people don't do reports because they feel like they would be labeled crazy, you know, kind of thing. Or they just want to file it away. Or sometimes maybe their memory is a repressed memory. I found in my talk, if people will talk about things, it's kind of like a girl I was talking about, young lady. After a while, she said, Jeff, this has been therapeutic. I've kind of got this off my shoulders. I guess so much. They kind of have post-traumatic stress disorder.

Absolutely. Absolutely. It's, you know, of course, Dr. John Baruchick, if you know, Dr. John, he's a psychologist. We talk a lot about that. How was at his first expedition and helped him out? he's a great guy but his specialty is post-traumatic stress disorder so they do after they talk about it they feel so much better uh because it's such a weird thing to them that they saw it's kind of like if you see jesus walking down the road he's just wow you know jesus was a real thing but he just

it's just hard to imagine it's a little different when you see him on the road yeah well you know i'm just saying or santa claus or something you're just like wow there's santa claus you know it's Just a, but it is a real thing. And I have to emphasize a lot of people. It was very hard for me to come out publicly. The library here when we do a presentation. And I thought I'd have 30 people come. And I had 200 and right, 250 people show up.

My goodness. Oh, it was, this is year. It's 2019 years ago. I couldn't believe. Wow. And I had a lot of Cherokee people come and had some sightings. And, you know, some of them were kind of. kind of questionable sightings other people would say but some of them were very good and I followed up and then

of course I had a park ranger show up he wouldn't give me his name but they had some things and that led to siding a couple years later that a lady had and I was following the area and she got a hold of me on the blue ridge parkway and it was right where these rangers two years before that said hey you need to keep an eye on that place where it's some weird stuff happening oh wow uh and mostly noises and uh Yeah, again, that's probably, I hate giving out information when they don't approve me doing that. Oh, yeah, I totally get that. I want people to understand when I'm kind of, and I'm reluctant to talk about locations just because of purity and safety, if that makes sense. Yeah, purity for my research, because again, I'm documenting a lot of stuff.

I want to make sure I can, you know, not have 10 people doing Bigfoot calls in an area that I'm trying to, you know, narrow something down, you know, it's kind of hard. hard. Luckily, we don't have many roads in Western Royal Carolina, so that helps a lot. So it's one way in, one way out, Jeremy. There you go. Thank you again for the offer. It's been a pleasure and you do a great job and good luck with your podcast. I love your logo, by the way. Oh, thanks. Yeah. Shout to Johnson does for doing that for me. But Jeff, thanks so much for coming on, sir. You have a good night. Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story.

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