Bigfoot Society - Joe the Sasquatch Whisperer of Mississippi

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

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that two or three times and then he huffed at me. Do I get it right there? But it was a lot deeper. And he took a step sideways towards the river. Hi there. You're listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced Sasquatch in some way or another so you won't want to miss an episode.

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Bigfoot Society, I've taken far too much of your time so far. So let's get on with the show. Three, two, one. All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Joe. He is a hunter in the great state of Mississippi. And he approached me about some interesting things he's had happen in the woods. But how's it going today, Joe?

Oh, pretty good. How are you doing? Oh, I'm doing great. Just having a nice, relaxing day in Iowa. And I had a great big. Bigfoot presentation the other day, so I really can't complain right now. You said you've been around a few different states, and it sounds like you have some really interesting stories about what most people might call Bigfoot, but we already chat.

You refer to them as boogers because of the area of the country. That's the common terminology, right? But I'm just really curious to hear your story about how you got all involved in dealing with these creatures. Okay. Well, just from the part of the country that I'm in, everybody knows

whether a woolly booger is or a booger man or wood boogers. So they've always talked about, kind of like they talk about the booger man or the boogeyman and stuff. And I always thought

it was just a way to scare kids. and doing what they're supposed to, you know. And I grew up with my grandmother, and they lived in Tennessee, and her daddy-in-law was actually really adamant about you get home at night before dark. If you're not coming, I'm going to be, if you're not coming at dark and I can't hollering at dark and I can't holler and hear you. coming and you holler back, I'm going to come looking for you. And so, you know, I've always thought, well, you know, that's something that you'll never

see, you know, kind of like any other old wives tale. But moving on up to when I first saw one was in 2005, I was down in Texas by the Nathus River. It was between the time when Hurricane Katrina had already hit, and Hurricane Rita was about to hit Southeast Texas. And I worked at a paper mill down there in Evadale, Texas. And I was checking lots over by Evadale High School, and it runs right along the Natesh River. And it was about 3.30 in the afternoon.

afternoon. It was not over casering, like it's for today. And while I was checking doors, I heard something like, whew, whiff, whew,

felt like a chimpanze. Well, I haven't been down there very long at that time. And, you know, I grew up in the woodlands in north,

west Alabama, or south central, Tennessee, and north, West Mississippi. So I wasn't even thinking about any kind of primate or anything. I thought, well, I wonder what kind of bird that is, make that kind of sound. It sounds almost like a chimpanzee.

And so I started walking down along the river, and I seen its back to me, and it was squatted down and digging through. I'm assuming looking for frogfish. something that but when I first seen it I thought it was a bear so there's the only thing that size I could have thought that that could have been and it turned its heads when it heard me sideways a little bit and when I saw its ear I knew it wasn't a bear as a primate ear and so I sat in there looking at it thinking this ain't no bear and about that time it it stood up and turned around and and and

looked at me and we watched each other for a while and make long story short eventually it went across the river and headed west instead of coming up that bank but

I look at the truck and I was in it was about 200 feet away I'd look at him and he was about 90 feet away and I was like yeah if he wants me he's got me so I might as well just sit here observe what I'd see. And even at this time,

Sasquatch, Bigfoot, bugger, whatever, that wasn't in my, on my radar, my thinking. My thinking was there's something that got loose from a from a zoo

or sanctuary or something from Katrina. And it's running around here. So I went back and talked with my supervisor about it. And he was like, no, I hadn't heard anything at

any kind of wild-wop cat loose or nothing and it wasn't until I went home I was Saturday evening a Sunday morning I called my grandma

and I talked to her on Sunday mornings for I went to work and I was like you ain't going to believe what I saw it's a weirdest looking thing and she said

oh you saw a bugger I mean just as a matter of fact I saw a bugger I thought y'all, you said they weren't real. He's like, well, when y'all's kids, we didn't want to scare y'all. They don't bother you most in time. And so that's the first time I saw one. And after I got to sitting around and thinking about why I saw, I thought, well, if they're down here in the wood, I'm a hunter.

I hunt hogs. I hunt deer. I hunt coyote. I hunt cats. You know, I don't need. to know about these things because if they're here, what if I'm in the elbow deep and a gut pile or something and one shows up? Is they going to want my dear or my haul? Or is he going to want me or is he going to want both of us? You know, I was ignorant on that. And I had to,

I had to, for my own self, figure out how to coexist and know, I guess the rules of the game when they showed up. So that's what got me started on it and I've been doing it for 18 years. Joe, that is absolutely such a fascinating first encounter story. How close

is that area of Evadale from the big thicket National Preserve? Oh, it's right up there in it. It bumps up to it. I had a house in the orange County that actually bumped up to the big thicket too.

And for a long time, I thought I had a hog problem. And it was actually a Sasquatch coming around my house. Really? What kind of things was that Sasquatch doing to your house then? Mostly it was coming around moving stuff in the yard. I had a Rottweiler that my dog food would come up missing like, I had a two-gallon food bowl that I'd fill up with dog food. And I fed my dog in the evening before I went to work.

Next day, I'd come back and be gone. And my dog would have been inside the house all evening, so I knew it didn't get it. And so I'd look around. I couldn't find any footprints. I just found some smudges here, there, because the ground was hard. down there where there wasn't sand, it was that swamp a muck when it dries it's hard. And so I thought, well, you could smell,

you can smell a residual smell there. And I thought, well, must be hogs coming in and getting this dog food. And I eventually moved it out of the way. But, you know, just that little stuff like that. It wasn't anything major. I'd come home after work. I worked through the living shift, and there would be a real bad odor around the house,

and I'd grab my shotgun and walk around the perimeter of the tree line looking for hogs to make sure that wasn't nothing going to jump out at me before I got to the house. But just little stuff like that. Did you ever hear any vocalizations around your house at that time? Not at that time I didn't. Most of the time, it was just smells and something would slap the house just every now and in. And it wasn't until years later that I put that house slapping with boogers.

But it made sense then after I connected it. But, you know, I was like, well, I don't know what smacks the house. if the house is settling or what, you know, but that's what it was. That's very interesting. That comes up more often than not. So were you actually hearing the slaps or was things, were things falling off inside the house? Or what kind of would happen when there were slaps involved? At this time, my wife at the time had just had our first son.

And he was 21 days old when Hurricane Katrina, or Rita. And so when we brought our son home, that's when the slapping on the house started. And I don't know if it was like a female that was just interested and would try to get a reaction out of the baby or what. Because I never actually saw the one there. but it was just the whenever he got there that's when the house slapping and the smells around the house started

being almost continuous as far as a daily activity so so interesting I want to go back to your the first encounter that you shared where you actually you were able to see face to face back in evadale Texas and you know

thinking, you know, put yourself back in, you're looking directly at that face. What are some things that you can pick out through your memories of what you noticed about that face? The first thing that I noticed was at no time did, this is a human cross my mind. What I was looking at was, had a body of a big gorilla. but the facial pictures was more like a rangatang. It didn't have those flanges on the side like male rangatans have on their face. But the forehead was sloped kind of like that and had a really pronounced brow. The nose was really wide and flat.

It was charcoal colored. The skin was charcoal colored. but it was dry. Kind of like you see an old, I guess, a saddle leather or like an old boots when they dry out may or get really wrinkled. It was like that. I didn't see any pronounced canines on it. It never showed me its teeth.

But whenever I looked at it, It's facial expression was mirroring what I was thinking. And it's like, crap, I've got caught. You know what are we going to do? How are we going to get out of this? We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I mess up?

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Like this commercial break. Did you need 15 seconds away from music? Or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Rees. He would look across the river and then they would look back at me. And I would look at the truck and I'd look back at him. and it's like we were both trying to decide how we're going to do get by this, you know,

without any more interaction than we had to do. But there wasn't any hair like on his nose and his cheeks and his upper lip. But around the edge of his face, it was hair and down his neck. and everything. So chest didn't have as much hair on him. It's almost like an inverted human. Human males have a lot of hair on her chest, and the back is not got much hair on it.

He was almost inverted as that, where he didn't have as much hair on his chest, but, you know, everywhere else it was. And he had some gray mixed in with it. He had a bald spot on the top of his head up there, which is kind of interesting. It made his forehead look even longer. And if I had to guess, I'd say he was probably along the same developmental age as a human man that was just past his prime. Did you notice anything about the hands specifically?

Well, they were huge. I bet he could grab a basketball the way that we could grab a grape for they're huge It's very interesting It sounds like at the end you both didn't want to be in that situation How did that all end up? Did you kind of say, well, see you later? I sat there and looked at him

and he sat there and looked at me and he he looked up at me when he said me look at me and drop his eyes to the ground and drop his head a little bit and then he looked up again and you know

at this time I didn't know you don't sit there and look at an animal in the eye or any kind of wild animal but man I was sitting there thinking I'll never say nothing like this again so I was I was looking at a little bit looking all I can. I wasn't necessarily

looking him in the eye, but I was staring at him. And he did that two or three times, and then he huffed at me. Do I get it right there? But it was a lot deeper. And he took a step

sideways towards the river. And he watched me, and he walked out in the river. And I don't know how I don't know how he did it. I never saw him swim like a, like his swim is always walking. And when he got out about halfway, it was up to his chest where he was walking.

And he looked back at me that last time and he turned around and he walked on. And he kept his hands above the water. Like, I don't, I don't understand. Like the palms were facing the top of the water. and his elbows were bent at like 90 degrees. And he kept going across like that. And when he got halfway out to the water, he quit looking at me. And he headed the B-line to the other side of the river.

And on the other side of the river, he got over there and went up the side of the bank there. and he took off to the left. I was facing south, so he was going west. And I seen about two or three seconds, but he was running, and he was moving so fast as almost blurry from that distance, if that makes sense. But I'm not sure if that wasn't just his hair flowing in the back from him running.

But, I mean, I seen him two or three times, and that was it. never heard any limbs break, nothing like that. He was just silent in the woods and gone. That's fascinating. Have you ever heard of any other interactions with other people and creatures like that in that area? Yeah. I got to talking with some people down there.

And that part of the country is taken for granted. down there. The big thicket, around Cal Bayou down there on the Nacus River, people know about it. Wow. Man, that's wild.

It's an area I haven't heard come up yet, but I have a feeling we might be hearing some more about it. Talking to you before this interview, a little bit back and forth on email, Facebook, things like that. It sounds like you've had interactions with creatures like this over the last, you said, 18 years? Yeah.

And you kind of have an interesting connection with, you know, can you explain or what you would like to have explained what it is how your life intersects with these. booger creatures, these big foot, what you do in regards to them? Well, first of all, I'm not out in the woods with lights running around trying to find them. You know, if they want you to see them, I've learned they're going to show their self to you. Why I seem to be a magnet for them, I've got no clue. All I did was I took an interest in the beginning, and I was I was, I was, wanted to know about them for my own personal reasons. You know, if, oh, I've grown up,

deer hunting and hawk hunting and, and being in the woods, that, that's my safe places in the woods. So if there's something in there that I don't know about, it's my job to know all I can because a lot of people see one and they freeze up and are scared. Well, the reason why is because they don't know what to do in that situation. When you've got knowledge and understanding at least even a peripheral understanding of something, and you kind of know what they expect and you know how to kind of judge what they're doing,

you're less likely to be afraid. And that was my whole purpose in getting started on this. I quit hunting deer. I quit hunting hogs. I quit squirrel hunting. I quit fishing and I started focusing on this. And, you know, I've seen some pretty interesting things. So some stuff that I don't even believe happened and I was there.

So, you know, those are things to ponder on. But, yeah, I've been doing this since 2005. and it's just like a rabbit hole once you go down and you keep going farther and farther farther so you are you are then a booger hunter is what are a bigfoot hunter it sounds like yes or not to kill them but to observe them you know i've i've heard of people who claim to be experts that say oh i went down there it's things screamed at me and chased me back to my car and I barely got out of there. Well, that's not very much, well, that's not much of an expert if you don't understand

one of them enough that they got to chase you out of the woods because they've already told you nicely several times in my experience before it gets to that part. You know, that's just like somebody comes in your house and you don't want them there. and you ask them to leave and they don't leave and then you say well listen you got to go and they still don't go well you got to go from being polite to being force to get them out of your house and when you go in the woods you're in their house that's all i never i never go inside the tree lines in any forest and not expect to be observed so when you go and you have these interactions, are you going in specifically to observe, or are you trying to get them to leave an area then, or?

Well, I've never actually tried to get them just to leave. I have had people as had some problems that they call, and we talk about it, and I've come seeing their property and things. I've seen some pretty strange stuff in those experiences. But what I try to do is just see if you can figure out a medium where everybody can get along. You know, you ain't got to be best friends and you're not going to be. You don't want any more interaction with them than you have to have because their way of thinking is different than ours. They're not civilized like we are. And even though they have some of the same actions, the reasons behind it's different. And so when people call, I go check your property out.

We talk about what happens, and then it goes from there. But the only time you don't have a really big problem with them is if you associate yourself with the food. source, they're going to compete with you over it. You're not going to win. I know I've always remembered my grandmother's daddy-in-law. He had two gardens. He had one that was behind the house up there, and then he had one about a quarter of mile back down the road and in the woods.

And he would tell them, he would, when that, that got planted and it started growing. He'd say, this is y'all's. And then they'd point up there to the house and say, that's mine up there. Y'all, y'all get all this you want, but stay out of mind. And I always thought that was weird. I was like, who are you talking to? He was like, oh, them boogers hear me.

They know who I'm talking to. And so I've taken that. If people's got a food source problem, we talk about stuff like that and try to figure out a way to make sure that it's not going to be a confrontation. But yeah, I don't ever try to run nothing off. You know, they're a lot bigger than me. The fact that I'm still here means that they're not vindictive or general or wanting to kill me. But they've had plenty of chances.

But just stuff like that, I try to make sure that most of the time, people who contact me are already scared. They've heard me on a podcast or somewhere, and they've looked me up on the Internet. And the first thing they usually say is, I want to talk you about something, but I promise I'm not crazy. and I think that's interesting that everybody assumes that if you mention Bigfoot, they're going to think you're crazy. Oh, absolutely. A lot of people don't want to go on the air or record and talk to me, and half the people don't end up showing up figuratively just because they don't want to be seen

as crazy. And it's not a crazy thing because this stuff is actually happening. But when you get called to come to a property, what are the things you notice that tell you, okay, I'm dealing with something real here. This is actually something that's going on. Okay. When somebody calls me and they say,

I think I'm having something going on and I think it's a big foot. Before I even go there, I ask them a lot, listen, what kind of predators do you got in your area? Have you actually seen a predator like a coyote or a big cat, bobcat, anything like that. Any of these red wolves that's moving in that they're mixing with cowdies, you know, that's a different animal in the coyote and itself.

But we go through and we talk about that. And if they hadn't seen anything, I say, well, why do you think it's a big foot? And they'll start talking maybe they heard something or they've seen a glimpse. or something that they came in their mind to say that that's what it is until they get to talking about it. And I say, well, if it's not a big foot, what else could it be?

And so after we talk, if they want me to come, the first thing I do when I get there is I walk to, I walk the property with the people in the areas where they tell me that they've had interactions or they've had a siding. And I look for things like property or territorial markers. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I mess up? What if I'm not ready? I see a whole highlight reel of everything I don't

want to happen. Missed shots, turnovers, letting my team down. And for For a second, there's doubt. But then, I realize I've done enough to be where I'm at. The early mornings, the extra reps, the days I wanted to quit and didn't. So I smile. Self-doubt is natural, but my smile is a reminder that I'm resilient. To put more smiles out into the world, Colgate has supported female athletes for over 50 years with the Colgate Women's Games.

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Twisted limbs, so about six and a half to nine feet up. be twisted and then broke. You know, that's different than storm damage. Storm damage, wind will just blow it and break it. But if something's been twisted to the point where it's just snapped over, and then there's nothing else on that tree that's like that or there's no other trees or any kind of damage like that, that gets my attention.

bowled over saplings that are weighted down with another piece of wood that couldn't get there naturally. That's something I look for. Any kind of tree structure that shouldn't be there. Just stuff like that. And then after I look for, if I don't say stuff like that, I start looking for the waterways. Is there a creek running through there? Is it along a river? Is there high ground anywhere where something can set up there and watch the area?

And just different things like that. And if I think that there's something there, I'll tell them and I'll tell them why I think that what's going on. And it's pretty much on an individual basis. There's no two things that's exactly. the same each time. And that's what people don't seem to understand. They want to say, well, if

a Sasquatch does this, this is the reason why he does it. Well, in my opinion, if a Sasquatch does it, the only reason why you can say he did is because he wants to or she wants to. There's no rhyme or reason, just like

trying to figure out why different people do different things. There's no rhyme or reason to it a lot of times, but it makes sense to them once you understand what they're doing. Are there things you find yourself saying usually to people that are having issues like, okay, you need to stop doing this, stop doing this in order to live more peaceably or peacefully with these creatures?

Yes. Over and over, I say quit feeding them. Quit putting out or quit putting out some kind of gift or whatever. because these animals, if you gift them and don't expect nothing in return, they're going to see that as a weakness, and they're going to think they can harass you even more to get more out of you.

And a lot of ways, they understand trade in the same way as Native Americans do and did back when the white man first come here. you give something only to get something with them. If you are sitting here and you got them coming in your yards and they're picking up stuff and they're looking at things and they're not bringing them back and putting them right back where they found them or if they're picking up stuff and taking off with them

and then you say, oh, well, that's a nice, a neat looking animal. I'm going to feed him. Well, you feed him he's going to, he or she's going to realize I can get a free meal here. I ain't got to hunt my stuff. Well, that's all fine and good until the day that you don't do that. And here's the thing. They might get mad at you. And they may not tire up your stuff. But while they're mad, they may go half a mile, miles, even 10 miles down the road. And something else, or somebody else may have done something ignorantly or without even knowing they're around to piss them off and then they tire their stuff up. You know, so they don't care as far as individual-wise. In other words, if they get mad at one person, they're going to take it out on the next person that they come across,

even if that person hadn't done anything. and you know there's a lot of people running around in the woods pissing them off and then when they jump their car and leave of the people that live in that area have to deal with the aftermath of that and I'm real I'm real conscientious of what I do when I'm there because I don't want to have them have to deal with the fallout with me after I leave. But yeah, don't feed them. They don't need you help.

They don't want to be your friend. They just want to leave them alone. But they're just like any other opportunistic animal. If they can get a free meal, they're going to get it. It doesn't mean that they're going to be your friend. They're going to use you until you're not useful anymore. Then they're either going to tear your stuff up and leave or they're going to find somebody else to feed them. But that's just the nature of things.

That's good advice. There's a question that I'm starting to ask people. Logically, it doesn't make sense that you would be able to answer this. But I'm just going to, everyone I talk to, I'm asking it now. Were you involved with the siege in Oklahoma in 2000? I know that's before you had your first sighting. No, you're talking about in Hanobia? Yeah, yeah.

No, I'm not involved in any of that. I do know, I do know some people through my journey. I have spoken with people involved in that or their own privacy. I won't say who it is a lot. But I do know about the situation, but I wasn't involved in that when it happens. Yeah, no sweat. Someday I hope to talk to someone involved. Maybe if I talk about it, it'll come my way.

So over the years, Joe, has there been a time when, you know, your first encounter, it was pretty, pretty mild and, you know, both of you just wanted to get away from each other? Had there been a time when you're in the woods and things just got maybe a little intense and you're like, I kind of wish I wasn't in this. situation because things are getting a little bit wild. There was one time that I thought I wasn't going to make it out of the woods. And in the earlier days, I had a rock waller and black loud mix. And he was solid black. His name was Shadow. And he looked like a giant pit bulldogs.

He looked like. But he was a rock waller and a loud mix. And I would take him in the woods with me everywhere we went. whether I went crab or crab fishing down there or if I went a squirrel hunting or whatever, I tuck him with me in the woods. And when I started hunting these things, because he was a well-trained dog, and he had better senses than I did in the dark, I took him with me, and I would watch him as much as I would watch my surroundings.

And if he ever headed to the truck, I knew that was time for me to go. before things got worse. But we were down in a preserve in Lauderdale County, Alabama one night. And we were walking around and he bowled up on something. And looking back, I think it was probably a little bugger that he bowled up on. I didn't see it. But as soon as he did, there was roaring. I mean, it sounded like a dinosaur hollering on both sides of the trail.

and he took off a B-line for the truck, and I took off, it took me 30 minutes to walk back there, and I think I got back in the truck in about 10. But the whole time they were running me out there. There was at least a dozen or more, and there was some behind me, some right along the side men, some ahead of me. And I sat there thinking, though, I may not. get out of here. And,

but they never tried to hurt me. They just, every time I'd slow down, they would slap, bushes, holler, scream. It's almost like running a gauntlet, if that makes sense.

But I was thinking, this must be how they heard deer to a Kiel zone or something. But even then, I was getting out of there. And I found my dog, he was underneath my toolbox in the back of my truck when I got up there. And this is,

this is a hundred and, 10 pound a dog. you know, he was big dog. And when I opened the door, he might knock me down to get inside the cab of the truck. Yeah, I left out there and I didn't go back for a couple months after that time. Let's calm down. But, yeah, that's the only time. And like I said, I think the dog triggered something.

And at that time, I wasn't trying to figure out why they were doing that. survival mode to get out there. We'll think about why later. But, yeah. On general, though, I don't have any problems like that because I've learned, I've learned their signs they give you when they don't want you there. And as they start amping up stuff, that's time to get gone. I find that really interesting.

Can you go into what are the signs that you notice when they don't, want you in a certain area. When they, when you're there and they know you're there before you even got an idea they've already been watching you. Oh, that's my experience. But when you get to a place that they don't want you there, first thing they'll do is start making noise so that you know, you know that they're around. They'll walk around the camp where you hear it.

And it's like they're trying to give you a subdual hint, you know, kind of leave. And if we're walking around and stuff, you might hear a tree, a limb, snout. You might hear, you might hear a huff, something like that. If you don't take the hint that they want you to leave, then they'll start throwing little stuff at you. and oh that's like listen all right i've tried to tell you that i don't want you here apparently you you didn't get that end so i'm throwing stuff i'm letting you know i'm here oh i want you to leave for whatever reason you know if that don't work and let's let's just say that you don't get it oh you think that's a squirrel throwing acorns out here or whatever

you think it's funny and you just sat there say well they're going to move on up uh a little bit more than you're probably going to shake a tree. They're going to slap a tree, something like that to let you show, listen, I'm here. I can do this to this tree. You know, you need to leave. And at that point, if they, you don't leave, they're either going to try to throw something really big at you, or they're going to try to rush you or they're going to scream at you or whatever. But every time they change tactics, they amp it up a little bit.

So you understand, I don't want you here. I want you to leave. And it's not like they're trying to kill you because if they were, you'd have never heard them. They're showing you, hey, I'm here. This is my space. No, move on. and I have had times where they started out like that and I talked to them. Oh, that may sound crazy, but I think they can understand language.

If not verbal language, I think they understand your nonverbal body language. So I have had them start throwing stuff at me, little stuff, and I start talking and then they quit. They don't leave the area. They watch you. but they're just watching to see what you're doing. And if you're up to something, they'll run you out of there. They're just like any other animal. You're not going to be dangerous around their kids or their family or

disrespectful or anything. But they'll tolerate you when you know. And each situation's different. It's not like I can say, all right, first they're going to throw little stuff, and then they're going to shake trees. and then they're going to scream. It doesn't go like that.

It's just whatever they decide to do. It starts out at a lower intensity, and then it goes from there. But if you out camping and you see something like that, sometimes the only way you know they're there is you'll smell them or see them walking around the outside of your firelight or the white stop. Have you ever heard of a situation and you've been involved with multiple states.

I know from our conversation prior, but where there were, let's say, maybe researchers or individuals where they didn't get the hint and things got rather escalated. Have you ever been involved with hearing about situations like that? I have heard about stuff like that. Oh, most of the stuff that I hear is from experts who got run out of the woods. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. It always happens right before the whistle.

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ID verification required to use a Vimob balance. It said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a recesses. Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to height and taste? Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a recess. Like I said, if you're getting run out of the woods, you're not much of an expert.

It's kind of like saying, I ran off a flock of Starlins out of my yard, so I'm a bird expert. But, you know, you can get on the Internet and look at whatever self-proclaimed experts out there. And when you read their story and you see them telling it, you realize they don't know what they're doing. And, you know, that's all over there. As far as me personally, I try not to get to that part. that's the reason why I go into woods by myself. I take somebody every now and then,

but it's usually somebody who is on the property or they're wanting to know something, and I take them with me to show them that was something to answer the question. Can you talk to maybe people that, you know, want to go out on a weekend to try to find Bigfoot? Are there ways that they can try to interact with the creature that would not be, you know, getting them angry, but also, you know, not provoking, I guess you could say. Right. First of all, just before I tell you this, I'm going to say, I don't condone you doing that.

All right. Absolutely. I don't either. But if you're going to do that, let them come to. you. When you see these shows of people running out in the woods and got all these lights shining up.

They never find anybody. They're never going to find anything. Because that's like an alien coming down into your backyard and shining lasers and stuff all over the place. You're going to sit and hide and watch see what they're up to. You're not going to go out there and

take a chance of getting hit with one of them because you don't know what they do. You know, well, in this case, we're the aliens. we got those bright flashlights and at night a really strong beamed flashlight is more of a deterrent than a gun is. I've learned that over the years. But if you want one to come up and check you out, the best thing you do is just do your stuff and act like you're oblivious. look around in a campground where you might find some signs that they may be there. And then just set up and when you cook outside, for example, if I think there's some in an area,

and I've been there a week or so and I haven't seen one or heard one, but something says they're here, I'll go build me a campfire out. out in the woods or along a tree line. And I'll cook any kind of pork or beef, and I mix onions and bell peppers with it. I seem to draw them things up like a magnet. They like that smell for whatever reason. Or I have used beef liver.

I'll cook that and they seem to like it. I just don't like to eat beef liver. and I don't cook it generally because I'm not a wasteful person but I have used that in the past but just the thing is if you go into their space

you've got to be on your best behavior because that's their space if they come into your space they're going to be on their best behavior because they came to you and you're there and they can leave and go somewhere else and vice versa. So if you want to see one, first of all, I question why.

There's a big difference in people sitting here listening to the podcast like this one and others and saying, oh, that's a nice idea to go out and look for these things. But when you're within 20 feet of 750, 800 pounds, animal that's nearly twice your size, probably three times as wide as you are, that's a different ballgame. That's something that you don't have any protection from. You got that phone or computer screen protecting you from that thing, and it's a good idea.

But when you get out there and that thing can literally get you before you turn around, take two or three steps. You got to know what you're doing because, you know, there's people who comes up missing in National Forest all the time. And, you know, I don't know what's getting them and I don't know where they're going, but who's to say, you know, hunters that disappear, maybe those are the ones that actually shot at one, you know. But.

I heard some really interesting things over the episodes that I've talked to people, especially in Alabama, where there's a gentleman who shared about there was a hunter who was found pretty much torn apart underneath his, underneath his tree stand. And I think it was northern Alabama, but there's some wild stuff that you guys have going on down there in the south for sure. Is that over there, bankhead national force? Yeah, I'll tell you the truth. I don't know the exact locale, but it was pretty wild. Yeah. yeah people down here you can tell when people shoot at them because they're really aggressive but if you get you know they're just they're just like any other animal if you if you shoot at one and heard him he's going to remember what did it and but yeah north

Alabama, North, South Central Tennessee, they, people, and like I said, it's almost got

to the point where it's like a booger man type thing, and you never see them unless you go looking for. But most people's

not in the woods between 11 at night and 5 in the morning. When you say South Central Tennessee, what counties are you referring to? Just curious.

Lawrence County, Wayne County, Jiles County, McNary County, along the state line along through there. Oh, down by Alabama border? Yeah, down by Alabama and Mississippi. Yeah. Very interesting. Do you think this is a random question,

but do you think the government knows more about Bigfoot than right now they're not saying really anything? They're kind of focusing on UAPs and UFOs, but you think there's maybe some hidden stuff going on there? I would say my opinion is, I believe so, yes, the same people said the aliens were fake, said that Bigfoot doesn't exist. Now they're saying aliens or at least UAPs are real. So, you know, you take that with a grain of salt, but I think they've known all along it. And, you know, in my journey, I have talked with some people. And I honestly believe that the Department of the Interior has known about them the whole time.

My opinion is that all of these national forests and stuff that they created so that they would have a habitat because they can't cohabitate with people. and I think that's probably worthy the reasoning if you get down to the nitty gritty that they do it. I mean, you think about scattered all throughout the country. Even around civilization, there's places that's either wildlife preserves or there's national parks or state parks or something that people just tend to leave alone.

And you got to ask yourself, why did they choose those areas? You know, what made that area there different than an area almost just like it, five miles down the road that wasn't made one? Exactly. Like areas like land between the lakes, things like that. Yeah, there's some weird stuff that happens in some of these areas,

for sure, if you start digging. I have a really, really random question to ask it as we get, as we start to wrap up. So down in Mississippi, have you ever run across or heard people talking about like a type of a pale creature, maybe a crawler type creature, anything weird like that in Mississippi? No, I personally have no experience with anything like that. If I was in the woods and something like that, come up, everybody would know about it because I feel that thing and bring them out and say, listen, I was not drunk tonight. Right, right. I was not, this is what it was. Mm.

Yes. Yeah. You know, but yeah, I've never seen anything like that. And, you know, a lot of people talk about dog men or two. I've never seen a dog man in the woods either. I was going to just ask you. Yeah. I have seen an animal that looks like a really large baboon.

And a lot of people call them Gugwees. Okay. But this here, this here doesn't look like what people describe Gugwe's ass. This here looks like a baboon, like an olive baboon in Africa. You look at this creature. The body morphology is the same. but the colorin's different. The head and neck is solid white, except for the eyebrows.

It looks like somebody took a big sharpie and drew black eyebrows on it, or thick eyebrows. But down the stomach, it's solid white like a blaze, but the rest of it's black. And when it sets on the ground or eating, it's about three and a half, four foot tall sitting on the ground. You know what? A, a baboon only gets about 30 inches tall. Sure. When it's, you know, this here, this here is a huge animal. I actually thought with a game warden about it.

And he pretty much confirmed that he'd seen the tracks. He knew he was there. He hadn't never seen the animal. Whereabouts did you see this gugui? It was in a hunting preserve in northeast Mississippi. Wow. Because I hear they're extremely aggressive from what I've heard, right? Listen, that's what people say.

But when I looked at this, I looked at it from the standpoint that I know how baboons act because I've watched them on TV and stuff. enough. And baboons, when they fight each other, they attack each other's face because they want you to know that they did damage to you. And if Godwees are a type of baboon, that makes sense that people would call them face eaters because they're going to attack your face because they want you to know, hey, this is what happens when you mess with me. This animal that I've seen, I was, I got around 30 feet from it for it started showing any, uh, anges. that I was there. And it started rolling

its lip up and smiling at me. And I knew that, oh, man, it was getting nervous. And so I backed off from it. But I sat and watched it, though, 15 minutes, sat there and it didn't care that I was there. After it established, listen, you can't come closer than about 30 feet. I backed off and watched it.

And I sat there. It didn't care that I was watching it. And I sat there thinking, how can these things not be filmed and stuff by people who want to see them? When he clearly doesn't care that I'm sitting here watching him. I've got, I had a flashlight that had the whole area lit up, you know, like daytime. And he was just sitting there going by his business. But it's pretty interesting in how they act. But I don't know if it's just my unfortunate that I don't put off any signs of fear or anything to make them aggressive.

And whenever I see them doing something that I think means, hey, you might need to back up. I don't wait for them to ask me, I back up and get back where I can see. And I don't, I personally don't have a problem with it. I take chances that I don't recommend that anybody that doesn't know what they're doing does. I put in a lot of hours not just watching these things, but I see them do something. And then I'd go back and see if I could find a video of known apes doing the same thing. And then I would research why they're doing this. what is the reason.

And I'm not an expert on them. I'm not a primatologist or anything like that. I just look at what they do and compare it to other stuff and kind of hope that if it comes down to it or making a brass decision or a quick decision, I make the right one on what I've learned. Fascinating. How do you categorize a Gugwee? Do you think that's like a Bigfoot dogman?

some weird ape creature, where does it fall in the crypted categories? My thinking on this, and I'll tell you my thinking on it, is from talking with people that would know, but that's as far as I'm going to go down there. I think in North America, before the Europeans came,

there was probably as many non-human primate species, aches as in Africa now. And I think that when the Europeans came, they brought diseases that they couldn't fight. And it killed out all of them except some isolated breeding populations. And, you know, it takes three to 500 years for a species to learn to adapt to different sicknesses and things and they start thriving. for the ones who are adapted to fight that off, survive, and they breed the next generation. And I think the reason why people are starting to see them more now,

and it's been basically around 500 years since old white, the Europeans have come over here with those diseases. And now the population is starting to adjust out to it, and they're thriving now. Or they might have been living hand-to-mouthed for 35, 400 years. And that would explain why only one person ever now and then saw one because there wasn't many. But now that they're thriving and their population is growing and they're having more instances of babies surviving the adulthood to breed, I think that's the reason why people are seeing more of them. But going back to your question, I think that when you hear people say, well, this was a type one or this was a type two,

or type three. They're talking about a different subspecies. Just like you don't say, all right, every, every ape is the same ape, but you got a chimpanzee who is a type A, or you got a Bonnebos is a type B, or you got a grilla that's a type C. All right. We got different names for those, even though they're related, they're not the same thing. Sure.

There's a difference in an orangutan and a gorilla, but they're both related. And I think that's kind of like what people don't understand. We just don't know the names of them. I'm pretty sure there was a time when people could sit around and talk about guggies and boogers and know the different kinds. And it probably, they understood there was different kinds. and the knowledge is just lost. So people, they all think there's one big foot running all over the country, scaring everybody.

Right, right. And they think that it's immortal, that it can go in and out of the mansions and all this stuff. And that's just, no, that's not my opinion. I don't get in all that woos stuff. Everything that I've seen and what I've seen is based on actual encounters. They're just a corporal animal that's just trying to live and do its best life and everybody leave it along. Fascinating, Joe.

Wow. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on what you've seen over the years. And we've had some good chat about Bigfoot, Gugwee and everything in between. But I'm sure people are curious, how, you know, we know your first name, but how do people reach out to you? Joe's. Is there any way that happens if they have an issue with their property? Well, usually people find me from word or mouth. I've had several people who have heard me on different podcasts and they've called the host and the host cable information. That's fine.

Okay. If they call you, I can do that day better. Yeah, I'm not like, I'm not like just out there. or this is not the only thing I do. It's part of what I do. But anybody that, if they hear your podcast and they say, hey, how do I get a hook this guy? I tell the host, just send them my phone number and we'll have a conversation. All right. Game on.

I'll do it. But, yeah, I mean, in the local area, everybody sees my truck drive around. It's got my phone number with a sign that says, Have you seen me with a Sasquatch on it? My local phone number. That's awesome. I love it. Yeah, usually it's word of mouth.

I have had people that have contacted a host, and I've got a fire pit around the backyard that I said around and listen to them about every night at my house. Wow. And I'll have people come down here and we'll talk about what they're going through. and then they start hearing stuff. And they're like, they're really around here, aren't they? And I like, yeah, they're all over the place. But, yeah, I've, I have people that come and we sit around the bonfire and talk about it, whatnot.

Or we'll have a phone conversation, video conversation, just different things like that. Sure. They do. A lot of people do find me on Facebook. I talk with a lot of people on Messenger. Gotcha. Well, there you go. Listeners, if you want to get in touch with Joe, you got to send me a direct message on Facebook or you can email me Bigfoot Society at gmail.com and I'll get you hooked up. But Joe, thank you so much for hanging out tonight and keep me in the loop. If anything else interesting happens in the future and I'm sure we'll chat at a later time. Okay. Yeah, well, I'll keep you informed. You have a good night.

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