Bigfoot Society - Learning from Dr. Grover Krantz and Sound Recorder advice for Beginner Bigfoot Researchers | Olympic Project | Chris Spencer

Episode Date: June 11, 2022

#132Chris Spencer has been investigating and researching the subject of Sasquatch since 2015 and is now a member of the Olympic Project. Episode Resources:Chris's Youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/user/100cjspencerYoutube video discussed - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W3s9JjHPV0Youtube video eluded to - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-gL81rtW9QOlympic Project website - https://www.olympicproject.comAffiliate links below:Books recommended by Chris:Big Foot-Prints by Dr. Grover Krantz - https://amzn.to/3xF7oYCThe Bluff Creek Project by Robert Leiterman - https://amzn.to/3xp2Rs8Giants, Cannibals and Monsters by Kathy Strain - https://amzn.to/3MK1EBfGear recommended by Chris:Tascam DR-05X Recorder - https://amzn.to/3aUXMQQAudacity program - https://www.audacityteam.org/download/Small Town Monsters Documentary about the Olympic Project:On the Trail of Bigfoot: The Discoveryhttps://amzn.to/3O9QO8J_____________________________________________________________Join us over on Patreon! Get access to a whole library of extended shows, exclusive merch like a membership card and stickers, watch me interview guests weekly live on video, a Patron-only Discord and more.https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyNOTE: I'm attending my first Bigfoot expedition this summer! Please pick up a Bigfoot Society shirt from my Etsy to help fund the gear I'll need to get.https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietyTune in every Saturday at 5 pm Central for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QIG: https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Website: https://bit.ly/3jvKIm7Shop: https://etsy.me/3ptlubQiTunes: https://apple.co/3fmmhTCSpotify:Smart Passive Income PodcastWeekly interviews, strategy, and advice for building your online business the smart way.Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the show

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exclusive merch, and much, much more. In this episode, I get to talk to Mr. Chris Spencer from the Olympic Project, from Washington State, all about all sorts of big foot things, everything from having Dr. Grover Krantz as his college anthropology professor to a strange encounter. him and his son had way back to do with a Bigfoot and also some extremely practical advice to do with what sound record to get for those starting out in the Bigfoot research field and a lot of other great advice as well. You're not going to want to miss this episode. Thanks again for listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast. All right, Bigfoot Society. Thanks for coming back for another episode.

I've got this time we've got Mr. Chris Spencer with me from the Olympic Project. How's it going, Chris? Good. How are you, Jeremiah? Doing well, man. I've been wanting to talk to you for quite a long time, so I'm pumped to have you on. In case we've got people that are not familiar with Chris, I'm going to go ahead and talk a little bit about your bio before we get into it here. So Chris Spencer has been investigating and researching the subject of Sasquatch since 2015. The Washington state native, Chris has had an interest in the subject his whole life after an anthropology class with Dr. Grover Krantz, which, oh my goodness, in the spring of 1992, he's always approached the subject from a science-based perspective. That's cool.

Chris followed the subject loosely until he and his son had a disturbing experience in 2013. at that point he began investigating and actively searching for evidence of the target subjects being Sasquatch. In 2015, he began audio recording in areas of interest and is now a member of the Olympic project, which hopefully all listeners to this and know what the Olympic project is. I'll try to remember to put some links so you can watch that great STM documentary, of course. but Chris, I mean, you're dropping some crazy stuff in that bio. Is there anything else that the audience would want to know? Or should that be good, do you think?

That's pretty good. Cool. Yeah. No, I actually, like everybody else that's in the subject, found my interest starting with the In Search of Film that came out in the 70s. Dude, me too. I must have been about six or seven, but shortly after watching that, and I remember my dad watching that film and saying, oh, that's a guy in a suit and this and that.

It wasn't long after that. We had a cabin in Packwood, Washington. Okay. And it was, I want to say it was late spring. Like I said, I was like six or seven, but me and my dad and my little sister went up to cut some wood for the cabin. And there was a fresh clear cut that you could see down into the valley and see Packwood, the town. And dad wanted to take some pictures.

And he had one of them little instant camera things. And he was taking pictures. And I'd found these tracks along the side of the road in the mud. And it was kind of mud and slushy snow. And they were bare footprint tracks. I don't remember the details to them, but they're really big. And I remember telling my dad, hey, dad, look at this. Bigfoot.

And what I do remember specifically is, my dad's reaction. He came over. I'm bent down over the track and he's looking at the track and his eyes just about bulged out of his head. Oh, man. And he said, get in the truck. We're leaving. Really? And that was it. So that was like, I don't, I don't know. I don't remember the details truck. I just remember they were big bare footprints. And my dad on the way home, I'm hearing saying it was probably hunters. And I remember, uh, or actually, then before we got in the truck. He said it's probably hunters.

I remember saying, well, if it's a hunter, he doesn't have shoes on dad. Yeah, that's not a good thing. Oh, my goodness. That is a fun story. It's always fun when you experience your parents being thrown for a loop as a kid or a junior higher. I think, you know, most of us have had that experience. And it's like, it makes you kind of grow up in a little bit when you're like, oh. Yeah, I just.

Maybe dad doesn't have all the answers. Like, what's going on? This is something, you know. Yeah, it definitely bothered him because, you know, he, he always said Bigfoot was a, was a joke, basically. And he doesn't now, which is cool. He's 80 now. Okay. He follows what I do.

He's really interested in what I'm doing now. So he, he, ever so often, you know, because he's at that age where memories just kind of pop into his head. Okay. A couple, when I first started this, one of the first, uh, suspect things I ever recorded were some whistles. And I was playing them for my dad. This is back in like 2016 or 17. No, actually, 2017.

And out of nowhere, he just goes, oh, the whistling Wolverine. I'm like, whistling Wolverine, what are you talking about, dad? He goes, it's the whistling Wolverine. And I'm like, I go, dad, what are you talking about? Evidently, he was once again up at Packwood. He had hiked into Packwood Lake and camped out. for a night by himself. Okay.

And on his way out, he heard whistles. And when he got, and he didn't think anything of it, when he got back to, when he got back to Packwood, he went into the Blue Spruce Tavern, which is still there today.

And he asked the locals about it. And they all told him, oh, it's the whistling Wolverine. And that's all he remembered of it. And I go, oh, Dad, why haven't you told me this story before? Because he knows what I do.

It's just all of a sudden, yeah. But to him, it was like, yeah. Yeah. That's so crazy. The Whistling Wolverine, dude. Oh, my guess. That's so good. That's so good. I would love to hear a little bit about, so, let's see, 92. That's a while back. What is that about 30 years or so? Yeah, something like that. That's a while back ago. So there's some listeners of this podcast where they weren't alive. but what's it what was it like to be a student of dr grover crants in that anthropology class that's that had to been a crazy experience so honestly i was 18 19 okay okay um and my mind was not on bigfoot in those days

at all um but i i loved history in anthropology that my major was history but i took just as many anthropology classes as I did history classes. And I just, I didn't think much of it. He was just an older, kind of, you know, scary professor. Yeah, I'm old school. I was scared of a lot of my teachers. And it wasn't that I was scared. I was just, I had a certain respect for him.

And it was Dr. Krantz and this and that. And it was just a regular class until one day, and I found out this later. he devoted one lecture every semester to the topic of Sasquatch. Definitely. And this is one of the, you know, now looking back, I'm like, man, I wish I had a tape recorder with me for that lecture. I have my notes somewhere in a box out in my garage. I need to dig out.

Oh, my goodness, dude. Because I know I took notes during his lecture. Anyways, I walked into class. And here on his counter were these cast tracks and, of course, the recreation of the gigantic sphinoccus skull that he actually came up with from the jaw. He took measurements and

built that skull that you see all the time now. And that was sitting on the counter and I'm like, what the heck's going on? But you know, like I said, I wish I had a tape recorder because I, you know, that's a long time ago. I don't remember all

the details. But he went through the Patterson Gimlin film. And he had, I think, a third generation copy. And when he was done with that film, like I said before, up into that point, my dad had always said it was a guy in a suit. And pretty much, that's what I thought, too. When I left that lecture, I believe that was a real animal.

Wow. He explained why it couldn't be a person. And, you know, he had the film. And the film that he showed in the class was way better quality than what I'd seen on TV. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And so, you know, after that class, I called my mom. I told her about it. And it just happened. That was the same year that he released Big Footprints, his book. It just come out. Yeah. My mom actually picked me up a copy of the book. And I was home on one of the weekends because I live in Western Washington. So ever so often I'd drive home for a weekend or something. But she got me a copy of that book. And I actually took it to his lab. I got him to sign it.

And then I bought a copy of the Dermals cast. It's one of the tracks in his book that he discusses quite a bit because it has Dermal Ridges on it. And it's a cast that Paul Freeman had made from the Blue Mountains. So I have a copy of that. And I think I paid, I think it's Paul Freeman Day 40 years. Yeah, it's a copy, but I paid like 20 bucks for it or something. Oh, man. You know, I didn't think that.

I was kind of a dummy. I didn't get him to sign. I got him to sign my book. Oh, yeah. I should have had him sign the darn cast. I didn't do that. Oh, man. That would be nuts.

I still have that book. I've read that book. I don't know how many times. Oh, dude. It's probably hands down. It's one of the best books out there. If you're just getting into the subject, you've got to read Grover Krantz's big footprints.

It's got, yeah, it's got to be. What other books do you recommend, too? I know that's a loaded question. Yeah, Belgium. When legend meets science. I actually, let's see, I'm trying to, I really enjoyed a Leiderman's book that just came out, The Bluff Creek Project. Oh, yeah, I haven't read that.

Yeah, I need to. It's not really about big, there's not a lot of Bigfoot stuff in it, but I, I enjoyed hearing his take on the process of refining the film site. I really enjoyed that. He did a good job. Yeah, I honestly, a lot of the books are really repetitive to me. But, you know, my top, top book is probably John Green's book. And Grover Krantz's big footprints. Those are my two top picks.

I love Kathy Strains book, which is basically a collection of Native American stories. And I actually got that in 2015. And I meant Kathy in 2015 and I got her to sign that. But she's really nice, really nice lady. Very encouraging. And I have nothing but good things to say about her and her husband, Bob. They're awesome people. Very encouraging people.

When you first meet them, just very down to earth people. Oh, I agree. like, you know, Kathy's one of the nicest people I've interviewed. I need to talk to Bob definitely because I've heard he's got some amazing stories and the viewpoint as well. But Kathy was just one of the nicest people to talk to for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

I loved her book because it actually has the Native American stories from tribes in my area. And I've recorded some of the things they talk about in their stories. you know so it it's like lends that little extra credence to the area that i'm recording in when i whistle specifically the yakima tribe the piall tribe i think the shahela's tribe too but i know the yakima tribe and the peop tribe talked about whistles around mount st helms quite a bit and so that's one of the things i've recorded up there so over over let's say all the things you've recorded. And this is this is totally off the cuff. We didn't talk about this ahead of time. But is there a recording that that sticks out to you? Like maybe you could describe that like, hey, that to me is like the coolest thing I've ever recorded.

Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. It changes every year. I get, I always get one. I get one thing every year. But there's one from 2016. I call it, call it eight fit, and it's hands down one of my favorites. Oh, man. It sounds like a gorilla getting ticked off in the woods. Whoa. Yeah. That's wild, dude.

I mean, I was talking to Shane just the other day. I have a lot of cool audio. I need to go back through that I forget about. You know, obviously the whistles. Again, some of my first catches are my favorites. I have one called Mr. Grumpy Pants I got in 2016. And it's just, I don't even describe it. It's on my YouTube channel if anyone wants to go listen to everything.

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write that. Dude, this is awesome. Before, before I wanted to ask about Dr. Krantz real quick and this is where do you remember was the third generation copy was that like was that a VHS or was it like it was film we watched it was film oh man he had a film projector in the

in the classroom dude it was cool oh I can't imagine that Chris that's just like just to see the Patterson Gimlin film in 35 you know millimeter format or you know the film format that's just cool

That's a cool experience, dude. I mean, I'm glad I can say I had that experience, but I didn't appreciate it back then. That's when back then, I didn't even, I didn't know who Krantz was. I didn't follow really the subject of Bigfoot until I had his class. Then I started loosely following it. But up into that point, I had no idea who he was. You know, he was just my anthropologist teacher. And I had no idea.

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millimeter film format. So that's cool that you being a much younger guy. You were able to get that. Well, thank you. Yeah. I mean, dude, we're not that much different. I mean, I remember, well, let's see, 92. I well, maybe a little different.

92 I remember was third grade. And it duct tails. It was a great year. It was a great year, man. Third grade. Anyways, that's off topic. Let's talk about the experience with your son. I've heard so what was it that you experienced and you allude to this in your bio there's something that happened in 2013 do you mind sharing that?

So I actually, I want to say 2011, I had just a knocking kind of experience while bass fishing. So it had kind of rekindled my interest in the subject. At the time of that experience, I knew about knocking, but I didn't correlate it really with Bigfoot until I started investigating it. But basically, I want to say it was either 2010 or 2011. I used to fish my thing before Bigfoot was competition bass fishing. So if I wasn't at work, I was bass fishing. And it just happened. I was fishing with a friend from my bass club on Rife Lake in late September.

is a gorgeous day and we'd just been running cranks parallel to the shore and we got, as we're going down this one shoreline, there was something large moving in the timber and we were on the

side that's up against the Gifford Pinchot Pinshaw National Forest. It was all thick, almost straight up and down hillside right there. I mean, it was something big and it was breaking branches and it wasn't all the time but it was consistently moving with us. as we fished down the shoreline for a good half hour plus.

And I had noticed it. I didn't say anything to my buddy. And we got to a creek and we got on some fish. So we kind of hung out around this creek. And I was dropshottin in about 20 feet of water. I love small mouth fishing. We were catching small mouth. Anyways.

So the thought of whatever that was just is gone. We're catching fish. We're getting doubles and this and that. And finally the fishing slows down and we decide, well, let's drop the big motor and run up the lake to closer to the mouth of the river where the river flows into the reservoir. And as we're putting our poles away and he's lowering the big motor, pow, from the timber. And I looked at him and he kind of laughed. He goes, what do you think it is, Bigfoot? And I'm like, I just like, I don't know.

I go, did you notice what was moving? There was something moving along the shore. He goes, yeah, it's probably elk. And that was it. We went fishing. But that kind of spurred my interest in the subject again. And I actually started looking at YouTube and reading all the junk that's out there and this and that. So I did have Bigfoot in the back of my brain.

Right. It wasn't like an obsession like it is now. but I was more aware of the subject at that point in time. So by 2013, I wasn't completely out of the loop with the subject. And I actually contacted BFRO guy because I found the BFRO shortly after that. And I was actually in the process of making a report with him about that experience. And when we had our experience in 2013. Anyways, so my son was 13 years old.

Okay. And I'd bought him a little Walmart two-man tent for Christmas, and he really wanted to use it. And so his spring break started April, April 5th. So it was really, it was a colder year. It was very much like this year. We're having really a cold, wet spring this year. And it was a similar weather-wise year. And it was just horrid, horrid weather.

And I told James, I said, well, let's get on 14 and we'll head east. And we'll see what the weather's like east of the mountains. So we end up driving out to Skamania County Campground. The weather was nicer, it was drier. It was still wasn't great weather, but it was cold. And there was still snow up above up around 2,000 foot level. But this is, so this was April 5th. It was a Friday.

We got to the campground. The campground had opened April 1st, and there was no one else there. And I'm pretty sure we were the first people to camp there. We set up camp right on the river, got out and decided to do a little exploring. And the campground is you basically have Highway 14, and then you have the Columbia River. And it's just this little sliver of timber, it's maybe five acres. And at that time, it was very thick with brush. There was a lot of vine maple, a lot of salmon berry, and around the campground.

Well, we went down to the river and we walked up along the river and we came to a spot where there was kind of a trail that went back into the timber. And there was some old degraded tracks, human foot-shaped tracks in the sand. And I remember my son, Jameson, he was, oh, look, Dad, Bigfoot. And I'm like, ha, ha, ha, whatever. Well, we, we walked up this trail and it hit another trail that went back to camp. Well, as we're walking in the timber, I started noticing little clusters of piles of freshwater clams in the timber that were just open and clean. They weren't chewed on. They weren't broken.

And it just in the back of my mind, I was like, ah, it's kind of odd. I mean, birds, ravens will pick those up. Jays will pick those up. But usually, you know, usually you find, find the shells at the shoreline where, you know, critters have nod on them, broke them and this and that. But it wasn't out of the realm of possibility that some jays or ravens had brought some back into the timber. But it was just something in the back of my head that was, that just was odd. Because they weren't, like I said, they weren't chewed on and they were just open and clean. Well, we got walking and we were almost to our camp and we kind of come around a bend.

And right in the middle of the trail, there's this vine maple that's twistbroke. It wrapped around a big fir tree. And it's fresh twist broke up about six feet high. And right below it, in the pine needles is an 8 by 9 inch track. And you can see a definite heel. Oh, man. And what looks like toes. It was very fresh.

And I'm just, both me and Jameson were like, holy crap. You know, we were like, this is cool. And so we started really looking around. We found another track that went into thicker brush in all this leaf matter that measured eight or nine by 18. I actually ran back to my Jeep to get a tape major so I could measure all these. And I had a flip phone at the time. I have pictures somewhere, but they're terrible. Okay.

But we took pictures and basically we're excited. We're like, oh, this is cool. We found some other odd broken branches and stuff with that vine maple lymphless. I actually, I cut it out. Oh, you got it right there. No way. It's nothing like it was because it's unflixed itself. It's all dried out.

But this was green and twisted all the way over. So yeah. That's awesome. You still have it. Anyways, we went back to camp and we were all excited and we decided to go fishing. We went and fished a couple ponds that are off the highway there and came back. And we were roasting hot dogs and it started kind of lightly raining. So I set up this little tent of his didn't come with a rainfly.

It's a Walmart special. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so I took two. I had two. small tarps and I set up two tarps over the top of our tent and I tied them up with paracord. Well, it gets dark and Jameson went to bed about 9.30 and I fully admit, I was thinking about those tracks and that twist break we found and it's dark out. We're the only people there. Yeah, dude. Oh, man. I was creeped out. But I finally went to bed maybe a half an hour after him.

I fell asleep, but I woke up shortly after midnight. I heard heavy movement around the camp. And it was just like it wasn't constant. It was just ever so often. It sounded something big was moving up by where my Jeep was parked. Okay. And it would go quiet. And I'm just like, am I hearing things?

And I lay down and I just starting to fall asleep. again, fall asleep, and something grabbed the tent, those tarps and pulled on those tarps. Oh, no. And I just sat straight up and screamed the F word. Yeah. I'm like, screamed what the F. And James, it woke Jameson up and Jameson was just like, what's going on? I'm like, nothing. I'm just a bad dream, go back to sleep. Yeah, he's 13. He just go to sleep like that on the time. So he goes back to sleep. And I lay down, And I'm like, I'm kind of second guessing myself. I'm like, did I really hear that? Because I was in and out of sleep.

And I was just talking myself into that didn't happen. And it just in case I grabbed the fob to my Jeep, I had the fob in my hand. And I had the 44 in this other hand. Right, right, right. And I'm just falling asleep again and it happened again. And this time I hit the fob, lights and the horn. and go off with the Jeep. And I didn't sleep the rest of the night.

I sat there. That's probably the scariest I've ever been. Up to that point, that's the scariest I've ever been camping. And it's still the scariest I've ever been. Gotcha. I mean, I really did a number on myself. I was like shaking. I was so scared at a couple points.

And I can't, I couldn't get myself to get out of the tent. I'm sitting there with my son. I got a 44 magnum And I can't talk myself into getting out of the tent Now mind you nothing touched the tent again or those tarps Nothing came close to us again But I did sporadically Throughout the night I would hear that heavy movement

And at one point Because we were right by the water Something was down splashing around in the water Really? Yeah And It was just it was actually really nerve-wracking I mean, I had the sweats that I was, if someone told me after it happened, they're like, oh, you got zapped.

I'm like, no, I didn't get zapped. I was just scared out of my mind. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. But somewhere around 3.30, I remember looking at my phone and I was just like, oh, please let it get light. I want it to get light. On this episode of Plant Killers, we'll explore One Nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad? The answer? The ingredients. But fear not,

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But maybe everything happens for a recesses. Take noise cancelling headphones. Do they block hearing to heighten taste? Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a recess. And between somewhere around that time and four, pow, knock, right behind where our tent.

Wow. And I laid there probably for another 10 minutes, and then all of a sudden I was like, this is silly. I got out of the tent. I built up a fire and I waited for Jameson to get up. And, of course, when he got up, I asked him, I said, what did you hear last night? And he's like, I heard you cussing.

And I heard the horn and the lights and everything going off on the Jeep. And then I told him what I heard. And he looked at me, he goes, I don't want to stay here again, Dad. I'm like, we're not. Yeah, right. Yeah, totally. So after that. Which that's.

that's what got me into this. That's funny because it's kind of like a parallel to what happened to you and your father, where you saw the track and your dad was like getting the jeeper going. Yeah, it is. But it could happen with your son. That's really cool, man. That wasn't lost upon me. So, yeah, it was, yeah, after that, I just, you know, I did the YouTube thing.

I was watching and reading everything I could possibly find on the subject. and I started listening to podcasts and Shane had a he had another podcast besides the Monster X going and I really like which is that. Chris, sorry. Internet somehow got all jumbled up. So I didn't get the last sentence or two that you had said about Monster X. I'm sorry. Back at that time, Shane was doing another show and I, it's Crypto Zoo. Cryptological or something like that.

Okay. And I'd listen to him several times and I thought, man, I really like this guy. I want to meet him sometime. And I was, I think he, it was either one of his show, one of those shows or one of Monster X shows. I heard David Ellis talking about audio recording. Oh, yeah. And this is like 2014 by this time. And I'm like, you know what?

That really interests me. Just taking a recorder out in the woods when no one's there and just leaving it. and seeing what what it picks up at night. I was intrigued by that thought. And I decided I'm going to find a place to do that at. And I actually in 2014, I went back to that campground and the county had gone through. The county had gone through and cleared it all out. I mean, it's wide open all.

The big trees are there, but all that brush, all that vine maple is gone. You could see for days in there then. Interesting. So because I had planned on, well, if it's still the way it was, was going to set up a recorder there. You know, why not? And I spent a lot of time driving around the Wind River, around the south-east side of St. Helens.

And it just dawned on me. I was coming home. I was going past Eagle Cliff store one evening after spending the day, driving all over. And it just dawned on me, he's like, you dummy, you got to go where the animals are. And I know where the elk winter. here very close to where I live

and I decided I'm going to go in there and start recording there and I sure is you know what I end up catching some interesting stuff and I don't mean to I didn't mean to ramble I got off topic but no that's that's good dude

do you mind if we try to play one of the sound clips right now I'm going to try to try to share one. Specifically, the ape-fit one. Okay. All right. Let's see if I can do it. Hi, Jeremiah from the future there. Spoiler, he did not do it. We had some technical malfunctions there, but I will put in the show notes the link to the sound that we were trying to play and also a link to another sound that I really should have played. Anyway, it's a whole deal. But thanks for your patience, guys. All right, back to the show.

that's one of the first things I put up on my... Oh, okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. I've done a comparison since then. That's a little bit better, but that... I can tell you about that recording. What's cool about it. Yeah, go ahead. Basically, at that point in time,

I was taking a TAS cam out with an external battery pack, and I could get about three days and two nights. Mm-hmm. And I put it out on a Friday. and the elk had been in there. And so I don't know if you ever record elk, they're like a herd of cattle going through the woods. They make a lot of noise.

Okay. And so the elk were in there the first night. Somewhere in the morning, the elk actually leave. You hear them breaking branches and walking off. A storm rolls through, big storm. I actually recorded a bunch of thunder and light thunder on it. Around six o'clock, storm's done. and it's just that silent silence in the woods just that there's no wind it's just utterly silent there's a few drops of water from residual rain and just complete silence at 10 51 p.m. that happens and basically if you didn't hear it there's several percussives there's something grunting and then there's an ending percussive well

you have that noise and then it goes dead silent again and it's silent until the batteries died in the recorder like eight hours later. Gotcha. So it's not just that the, and I've looked at the grunts and it's not like any elk I've ever recorded before. Some people say, well, it could be bare. The percussives are what make it for me. When I get vocals and percussives, that's when it becomes really intriguing because that, I, that last percussive, that was done intentionally. And something with hands did it.

So that's why I love that clip. I mean, and I try to tell people with the audio, it's not, I'm looking at everything visually, of course. It's not just, it's a combination of things. It's what the visual signatures are, what it sounds like, the pitch and tone, but it's also the context. What was going on before the sound occurred?

what happened after the sound occurred all of that plays a part in what i what i how i come to dub something suspicious or not so and you're so you're referring to uh kind of like oh can you hear me yeah i can you hear you can you hear me oh did you hear everything i just said i did yeah i think i i muted myself oh no you're good you're good dude i'm okay i saw your mouth I was like, what the heck? I just noticed I hit the mute button on my computer for some reason. We're good, we're good. So you're referring to like when you look at,

and the actual technical term is escaping me. But like when you load a sound up, yep, exactly. And you can see the different waves and everything. And different animals will make their sounds will look like different forms. pretty much each time, right? Like they'll have a, yeah. It's just like a fingerprint. Okay.

Different animals will have specific signatures. And each individual animal may have a different pitch and tone, may run a little variance in the frequencies, but especially birds are really repetitive. Coyotes have a very distinctive signature. And coyotes, I mean, they're all over the place. They make a lot of different vocals. And that's where tone is.

pitch come into play. It's just overall, there's a lot of different aspects that goes into reviewing the audio. And it's not it's not just I'm dubbing something suspicious because of one thing. There's multiple things that go into why I would label something suspicious. Gotcha. Let's say we've got people listening. And I myself as one of them because I'm actually going on my first big. for expedition coming up in late July with my buddy Tate.

And I need to make sure I have a good sound recorder. So is there one over the other that you recommend or is it more the type of recorder, you know, or what are your thoughts on like what to get as a beginner? I went with task cams, DRO5s. They're relatively inexpensive. they record good sound. They're perfect. I still use them when I go camping.

I have like six that because I like to put out multiple recorders at different distances and different directions. But I know some people like Zooms, but for affordability for your first recorder, I like TASCams. Okay. I think you, I know Alex, he likes his Zoom. I don't think they're, I don't think one is. better than the other for the price range. So I mean, around 100 bucks. I think Tascam DRO5 X is 100, 110 bucks or something.

So you're saying to plan on spending about 100 to 150 for like a good solid beginner one for going on? You want something that's going to record stereo. You don't want mono. Stereo is always better. And I usually with the taskams, I have them set to 320K MP3. Sorry, can you repeat that? Can you repeat that? Sorry, the internet went out again.

That was really important. Usually I have it set to 320K MP3. Just because Wave is actually going to collect more detail. When you record in Wave format, you'll actually get a better. quality recording but it takes up so much memory the 32 gig chip that those

recorders take will fill up in a matter of hours versus days with a 32 gig chip set of MP3 320K you can get three days like I said with an external battery and with lithium batteries I've gotten two days with just the lithium batteries

and it says not to use lithium in them but I've never had an issue with TASCams and lithium. But Wave is obviously going to give you a better quality recording format-wise, but it just takes up all your memory. I mean, you need something. Like the SM4s that I use now, they have like two, two terabyte slots.

I can put two terabytes cards in them because it records only in Wave. And memory and power would come into place. play. But if you're a beginner, just get a TAS camera or Zoom and set it to MP3. Why is it important? And I'm going to ask some really beginner questions, but I think this is good

for myself and the audience, because like we're not out in the field like yourself is. Why is it important to record in stereo? It just it's, it gives you more context to the overall ambient sound. It's, sounds better. I'm sorry.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Listen to, if you listen to like the Sierra sounds, they sound that was in mono. It doesn't, it sounds crappy. And that's part of the criticism to those sounds. And I just, I mean, you can record. A lot of people like using parabolic dishes. I hate them. It sounds like crap. And unless you, honestly, unless you know specifically where to point it, why? I want to catch 360. I want an Omni mic or I want stereo. I want I want to catch 360 360 degrees around my recorder. I want to catch all the sound around it.

I don't want to just focus on one place. That is, that is really smart. Okay, I, yeah, I had, because I was kind of thinking of like parabolic,

uh, mics, but I, I like the 360, uh, sound thing. That, that is cool.

Uh, you said three, 320K MP3. That's just like the, uh, the, uh, the, the,

the bit rate, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Just for, uh, to make sure it's a good quality sound. Yeah. Yeah.

Just give me a call. I'll tell you how to set it up. Nice. Nice. That's awesome. You know, the other thing with like, if you have stereo mics on it, if you remember, I always forget that if you have stereo mics, when you're reviewing inspectgram on audacity, it'll show you each mic.

You're going to get a picture for each mic. Okay. start getting some directional on it. If the sounds coming in more on your left mic, that's where the sounds coming from. So like if I have, if I remember to, I point my mic's north to south.

And left mic says point in north and something's coming in stronger on the left mic, then I know it's coming from the north. And then I could go back to that area and look at the area and say, okay, well, that makes sense. There's a ridge line right there. There's sounds coming off that ridge line. Oh, wow.

Yeah, that's smart. When you are, let's say, walking around on an expedition out in the woods, do you have the recorder clip to your backpack or you're probably not holding it in your hands? Or like, what is the, what's the thought with that? So back in 2015, I had a couple experiences in X1. That's the first place I started recording in. And I decided I was going to start carrying my recorder with me. well, various times carrying it, it's picking up all of my movement, my noise. So I took a band from one of my headlamps and I put it on my head and I just put the recorder in the band behind my hat right there.

I'm kind of known if you watch, if you watch Sess film, just see the recorder on my head. Oh, that's great. And I'm in the woods. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. I use a different recorder now. It's a smaller recorder. It's actually a better recorder than the Tascam.

But yeah, the minute I'm out of the rig, I call it the head recorder. If you look at my files, head recorder, and it'll have for the date, all the sound I captured on that date and stuff. And I have, the minute I'm out of the rig,

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That's awesome. It's not just a story. because I hear I've heard from actually multiple people that have told me you know sometimes the knock will happen right when you come in the woods so you got to be ready right off the bat you won't have time to click it on you better be ready to go well just I talk about my last YouTube video but just recently March 12th of this year Shane and Rebecca and I were servicing audio in the nest area and we didn't hear any of it because we were. talking when you're talking and you're with other people and moving yeah there's a lot of stuff you don't hear but the minute i step out of shane's truck there's a wook really i end up touching several other whoops and what we did here at the time is we you want me to tell the whole story dude yeah this is recent right like let's go for man yeah totally so some of the audio is on my youtube channel too if you want to check out but i'll link it don't worry anyways uh we

We'd gone up there. It was about nine in the morning. We were BS and I gave a timestamp. Jump out of Shane's rig. And we're, there's several different, I have three different areas that I record in the nest area. And this is quote unquote nestary three.

Okay. It's where we park the rig is actually not far from where the recorder is at, but you have to kind of go about a roundabout way to get to because of Huckleberry. And there's a one trail that we used to get in. So we walked around up the. trail. I'm messing with the recorder. And actually, me and Rebecca were arguing about something on and off. So I was irritated with her. She was really irritated with me.

But she was checking a game camera. And she got a bobcat. So she was all excited. And she was shown Shane and this and that. And I was mad at the recorder for some reason because there's always a technical difficulty that ticks me off when I get out there. And I'm dinking around with that. And Shane goes, hey, I'm going to go back and set a game camera in such and such location. I'm like, okay, yes, whatever. We'll see you back at the truck. Well, he takes off.

And me and Rebecca are going about what we're doing. And Rebecca had heard, after he left, she'd heard some branches break. And she just assumed it was Shane. And I didn't hear any of it. Well, Shane got done setting up his camera and he went back to the truck. And where he was at his truck, we're probably. 150, maybe 200 yards from where the truck is. He can't see us.

The Huckleberry's, you know, six to nine feet tall in that area, but he can hear our distant voices. He can hear me and Rebecca ever so often kind of jibber jabbering. And all of a sudden, he hears branches breaking and brush movement going towards me and Rebecca's location. Oh, man. And he calls me on his cell phone. I have my phone on airplane mode because I don't get my phone's a piece of crap and he's constantly looking for a signal up there. So I just put it on airplane mode.

Otherwise, my battery's dead. Good idea. And so he doesn't get a hold of me and he's worried. And it's not bear behavior, but he's like, well, what if there's a screwy bear going at him? And he hears this thing getting closer to me and Rebecca. So he starts heading back in the trail to meet with us. He actually drew his gun too. Oh, wow.

In the meantime, me and Rebecca, we're on our way out by this time. And Rebecca had heard there was one big crash evidently. And once again, I did not hear it. And I was ticked off about something. And she had heard it and she thought it was Shane. Well, we get back and we finally meet halfway with Shane. And he just, he looks distraught. And I'm like, what's,

for what's going on. He goes, you didn't hear that? I go, hear what? It was there something going towards you guys or something moving through the brush and I'm like, I didn't hear anything. Rebecca goes, oh, that wasn't you? And she's like, no, it wasn't me. So we actually, we, we hung out for a while and we didn't see or hear anything. And we're, I'm like, it's probably, I mean, there's probably a bear or something. But it was going towards us, which that was what was really odd and that was sticking in the back of our brains because definitely it wasn't deer running towards us whatever it was was running coming towards me and rebecca and i have my thoughts on why but anyways we went about our day and i got back home and i started reviewing the audio from my

audio recorder the minute i like 30 seconds after i step out of shane's rig whoop there's a whoop that we I ended up recording three more whoops. I sent one of them is really close. We call it a slide whistle loop. It has a whoop. It has a perfect signature. It's on my YouTube channel. But it's,

it's a, they were close to us and we didn't even know it. And actually I sent the audio to Monaghaelah. He actually found another whoop that I didn't even see. But yeah. So that's why I carry an audio recorder on my head all the time. Because I didn't even know. we didn't even know what was going on.

We would have never known that there was actual vocalizations going on as well as the branch breaking and the percusses. That's amazing. Oh, man. That's a fun little story. And a good example of why you have your recorder with you because you never know what you're going to catch. In the last few minutes that we have, I'm curious. Personally, this is a fun question I like to ask. What is, uh, what to you is the most compelling piece of big for evidence.

The tracks. Honestly. Okay. The tracks. I mean, the audio. I love audio. And I mean, a lot of the audio for me is, yeah, that's definitely our target subject. But what's always impressed me is the tracks, the tracks.

The tracks. And the Patterson game with them. I can't just pick one, dude. But I know. that's true it's it's tough to pick one but it's funny because people will take that question and like do you either spin it where it's like the pg film like well my aunt saw bigfoot when she was outside and it was spider crawling across the yard type deal i i mean honestly from i was really influenced by crants's book and you know the track information because the the the track

information is really what sticks with me because that was the first thing that besides him showing that film he also talked about the dermal ridges and the flexing in the foot he didn't talk about the mid-tarsal break because that was top secret back then that came out a little bit later but back then he talked to you know each track in the patterson patterson from the patterson Gimim film. That's what really impressed me. I never realized this, but there was like tracks to the animal they filmed. You know, and there's details in those tracks. It was a living foot that created those tracks. I actually have a copy of two of the tracks now. But just the fact that it wasn't a, you know, a stamped foot, same foot every time. That's what intrigues me. A living foot is creating

these tracks that people are finding. It's not a cookie cutter stamped foot that's being found all the time. There's living flexible footprints being found. That speaks volumes to the existence of something. That is crazy, dude. Yeah, it's not a guy out in the woods with a foot stamper. It's a living, breathing thing. In the last few minutes, we have.

Well, we'll combine it. So you're part of the Olympic project, the research group looking for Bigfoot in Washington State and the Olympic Peninsula. What is a way that listeners can keep up to date best with what yourself and what the group is doing? And do you guys have anything cool going on right now? I'm just the nest area. I'm doing an audio project there. I'm basically, I'm on my way to recording every night for 2022.

I got, I can't remember how many nights. I got most of last year recorded, but I'm logging absolutely everything from Dusk Till Dawn. Wes, Liam from the Squatter Matrix. Me and him last year we were talking, And he's like, we should just do an analysis of all the sound made from dusk till dawn. So just record everything.

And I mean, taking down all the animal sounds, the known sounds and the unknown sounds. And we did that last year. And I ended up buying two high dollar recorders, but well worth the money, I think, that are capable of recording. like I'm up to I can I can record realistically about 55 nights with the batteries I'm using right now Wow and we've usually me Rebecca and Shane we go in and service

the audio about once a month because honestly it's hard I have so much I basically I I'm reviewing audio 24-7 when I'm not at work at my day job Totally just keep up with it and then I fill out a spreadsheet and then Wes does his statistical analysis because that's what West does. And the numbers don't lie.

When certain things happen, we're finding some patterns. And that's our goal is to get this whole year recorded to compare with last year. I'll continue to record in there. I don't know that I'll have it. I have three recorders going in there right now. I probably won't have all three recorders going next year. But I'll record in there as long as the area has a. been logged and is open to us, we'll continue to record in there and just log all the sound.

I mean, obviously there's, we want to catch unknowns, but I'm logging all the known animal sounds too. That's awesome. Oh, man. I love what you guys are doing. And gals, of course. And of course, we're doing some game camera work too. and our policy has been to kind of stay out of certain areas during certain periods of time

when we suspect the nest original nests that were found were built. And then like right now is the time we start actually exploring. And because of the audio that I've had rolling, we've kind of confirmed that there's a higher amount of activity in certain areas. at certain months than there are another months. And now we're in the process of starting to go explore those areas. So hopefully, fingers crossed, we can find some newer nests built. That would be the Holy Grail or any kind of physical evidence we can find.

That's our goal. It's a hard area, though. I mean, it's everybody's talked about it. Shane's talked about, Dick's talked about it. Yep. But you're on your hands and knees sometimes crawling through it. It's so thick. But that's why, honestly, that's why they're there.

No human in their right mind is going to this area. And if you're trying to avoid humans, you're going to go where humans don't go. I mean, you get that from watching Seth's documentary that it is not easy to get to that place. Yeah. Where we took Suss's where you're going. where we took Seth, we've been going in and out of there long enough that we've actually created

kind of a trail. So it's actually where we're exploring now is thicker than that. Oh, wow. Yeah. So it's even crazier than the documentary stuff. That's awesome. Dude, I'm loving that.

This is, of course, live for the Patreon. Supporters of the podcast, just wanted to shout out a comment. Mike Casey says hello. Hey, Mike. Yeah, dude. But maybe we'll get to chat with him in the after show.

We'll see if he's able to do some stuff. But I know Mike had it. We actually had a fun chat about Mike hanging out with you guys last week. Yeah, I saw him. He crashed on us. I was actually, he doesn't remember, but I was actually worried. I went up to his tent, was yelling, hey, Mike, are you in there? and I went back to the fire and I go,

I don't think anybody's in there. I don't hear any breathing or nothing. And then it was Todd Hale and Shane Corson's wives. Summer and Trisha, they, about 10 minutes after I went over, they went over and actually woke him up. That's funny. Well, Chris, in the very, very last minutes,

share real quick the best way that people can keep up to date with what you're doing. Basically, I have a YouTube channel called Tuttle River Valley Skookum, Chris Spencer. Should pop up. I have a Facebook page, but I'll be honest, I don't get on Facebook hardly ever anymore. When I do create a new YouTube, I do post it on my Facebook page. It's titled the same thing, Tutle River. Valley Skookum.

I forget my own name to my page at times a bit. Yeah, if you can just link my YouTube channel, I can send you a link to your I will. Yep, it'll definitely be in the show notes. There's going to be some good resources in the show notes for this one. But Chris, thank you

so much for coming on. You're going to spend a few extra minutes in the after show for the Patreon. So we can get some questions asked to you from the members there. But Chris, Thanks so much for coming on, man. It's been a pleasure.

No problem, man. Real quick announcement before we head out, I've got the opportunity of going on my first Bigfoot expedition at the end of July. Currently, I'm trying to raise money to buy gear for that. If you want to specifically support Bigfoot Society and, you know, as I go into my first Bigfoot expedition, feel free to do that by going over to the Bigfoot Society Etsy page and buying a t-shirt over there. That will help fund my gear for that expedition.

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