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Episode Date: December 27, 2025

Originally released 8/3/24Face to Face with Sasquatch on the GO Road (A Conversation with Thom Cantrall)In this riveting episode, we dive deep into the fascinating world of Sasquatch with the legendary Thom Cantrell. With tales spanning over 50 years, Thom shares his first-hand encounters with Bigfoot, including the incredible story of his first full-on sighting and his telepathic teachings from a Sasquatch named Akanishia. Listen as Thom recounts intense and sometimes unnerving experiences from the US and beyond, like his face-to-face meetings with Sasquatch, attending a Sasquatch funeral on Prince of Wales Island, and surviving life-threatening health issues with the help of his mysterious forest friends. Thom offers unique insights and profound lessons he has learned through his deeply respectful relationship with these elusive beings, making this a must-watch for Bigfoot enthusiasts and believers in the supernatural.Resources:https://thomcantrall.comSasquatch - Face to Face (A collection of Encounters by Thom) -https://amzn.to/3WiQoUk (Amazon affiliate link)🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072

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If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. All right, Bigfoot Society, I've got a privilege of talking to an individual that many listeners have reached out to me over the years to get on the podcast. And it's just, it's gotten to the point. We had to make it happen. So Mr. Tom Cantrell is here.

And it's a pleasure to have you with us today, Tom. Well, thank you very much. I'm very happy to be here. It's always fun to talk about Sasquatch. Oh, you know, that's what I love to do, too. So I'm glad I'm in good company. But so you are out in the Pacific Northwest, correct, Tom? Yes, I am.

I live in western Washington now. I live for 30 years over in the southeast part of Washington in the desert. And now I'm over on the wet side again. Although you wouldn't know it by the weather of the last week or so. It's been hot. You know, I've heard that. I'm actually headed out to a small town called Oak Ridge. Oh, yeah.

next week for a festival, and I was looking at the weather over there, and it's over 100 degrees, and I'm like, oh, my goodness, this could get a little wild out there, but we'll see. It should be a great time, so I'm looking forward to it. Well, it's a little lower today. It's only 82 right now, where it's been in the 90s, so, yeah. Tom, you've got a really interesting background. You've been involved with all sorts of things. You've been involved with, you have a military background, correct?

Right. I spent nine years in the Navy on submarines and I got out of the Navy in 1970. And I was living on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington at the time. And probably the main reason I got out after nine years was they wanted me to go back to South Carolina again. I said, hey, there's no welcome South Carolina. I know I've looked. and they're all over here. So I stayed.

Yeah. Stayed and started college, started college in Port Angeles, Washington. Then transferred the University of Washington, got my degree in logging engineering. And that said, I have never worked a day as an employee of a company as a logging engineer.

When I got out, I found out what they've done. paid. And I was making more money just with my little JIPO logging outfit than what they wanted to pay me. But I did do a lot of consulting work, especially bridge site surveys in the state of Washington. If you're going to build a road that crosses a stream used by an agamous fish runs, that's fish that are born in freshwater and go to sea and then come back to freshwater to spawn.

like salmon steelhead or not Langcaught but oh sorry that name jumped out of my mind but that type of fish you have to have a permit from the state and in order to get that

you have to do you have to survey the stream and submit a design and that's what that would be hired to do most times I did a lot of property line work too but it was mostly a bridge site surveys.

And in those days, in those times, it was in old growth timber, so I'd be hiking back in a minimum of four miles, generally five or six or seven miles. Because the ones that alongside the road, their company engineers took care of them. They hired me for the ones that had the long hike. Well, I found out real quick. The last thing you want to do is hike in, do your survey,

and that consisted of screen flow, bed type, you know, soil, rock, whatever, and what you were going to use for abutments and how the bridge was going to be built and all of that. And I found real quick that the last thing you wanted to do was hike in, get all your measurements, and hike back out, sit down at the table, and figure out you forgot to get one measurement. So what I would do is when I got everything I thought I needed, I'd sit down and do a rough drawing.

And it was at that time that I started seeing them. They would get curious about what I was doing sitting there alone in the timber, where nobody had been for 400 or 500 years, you know. And here's this guy sitting here doing this, doing something, and they'd sneak in on me, pee around trees. at me. Now, I'd been interested in them for many, many years prior to this. It started with the Jerry Crew incident in Northern California in 1958, and that's what let my fire. That was in an area not far from where I lived, and it really caught my interest. And I

read everything I could get from then until after, I was still. in high school time, I was 15 years old when that happened, and then joined the Navy right out of high school. And when you're on a submarine, you don't have a whole lot of time, there's not a lot of opportunity to physically look for Sasquatch. But after they got me up on the peninsula, yeah, I did. And that's when I started seeing them.

And it was a great time. It was a lot of fun. Wow. And I got to... Sorry, so when I just wanted to clarify something, And so when you said you started seeing them, that's when you're talking about Bigfoot or Sasquatch, correct? Yes, yes. Yeah, they'd come down and when I was sitting there, they'd peek around the tree at me.

For a long time, I thought they only had one eye, just went from one side of their head to the other, because that's all I ever saw. But finally one day, my friend and I, it was September, I was shut down logging. for fire watch, fire season. And he had a day off, and so we decided to go grouse hunting. Well, grouse hunting in September is an excuse to be in the woods when the elk are bugling. If you've never done that, you need to do it.

It's absolutely magnificent. You haven't lived to you. Watch those big bulls bugling. And we happened on a herd of about a hundred elk. And the herd bowl was a big five point. And we followed them all probably for three or four hours. And finally came to a clear cut and kind of had them box in the corner of the timber with a clear cut on two sides. And they either had to go out in the clerk cut or come back by us.

And about half of them did each. And that five point was up on a bridge in the clerk. got bugle in his throat out trying to get his cows, his ladies back together again. And he was not happy. So we decided it was time to leave them alone. Of course, we'd gotten separated by that time. Jerry was somewhere else. But that happened a lot with us.

He was a forester also. So, you know, we could navigate anywhere in that timber without out having to worry about one of us getting lost. and I was working my way back alone, and I saw an opening ahead of me, and generally that means a waterhole, and it's always curious to see what's around a waterhole, so I decided to sneak in on it, and I got right to the edge of it, and a great big spruce tree there, and I just kind of sneaked up behind that and peaked around,

and it wasn't the waterhole. It was an area blown down timber, about five, six acres. And there were two bears, I thought, if they were sitting there eating mushrooms. And then one of them stood up. And that was no bear. He was about probably 40, 45 yards from me.

And great big male Sasquatch. And he looked around, made sure everything was all right, and kneeled back down and started eating the oyster mushroom, and grow on down trees. They're delicious. I envied him.

And then his mate stood up. She looked around and backed down. And I had about 30 minutes probably to watch them like this.

And then in that time they moved to within about 30, 35 yards of me. And then I felt a gust of wind hit the back of my neck.

And I was, oh, busted. And I had four eyeballs just snapped to me. So I just stepped out from that big spirit tree,

and just to let him know it was me there. And I was, you know, I'm just here watching you. I thought, you know, I'd like to learn from you. Well, he stepped back, and he allowed the female to step in front of him to go back into the timber. And as she did, she picked up a baby and just put it on her chest. And he held on while she made her way back in the timber. And I yelled, I said, thank you for sharing your family.

with me. And he turned around and I swear he nodded at me. I really, to this day, and that's been this 172, I think. To this day, you know, 52 years later, I still think that he nodded at me before he turned and walked back into the timber. It was, that was quite a, and that's the first time I ever got to see them full on 100% from head to toe and to sit and watch with them. That happened many times since then, but that was the first time. It was absolutely fantastic, as you can imagine. Tom, that is absolutely incredible. I want to ask a question that to some people is going to sound really silly, but I'm just going to ask it. So you're in the early 70s from what you just said. I'm guessing as of that time you had no electronic devices on you,

Correct? I had nothing, no, not at all. I think I had a little camera, but there's, you know, something like a sure shot or, you know, nothing fancy at all. Do you think that because you didn't, there seems to be a conversation coming up in the community

where people are wondering, I think, if they go into these areas without electronic devices on them, Oh, my heavens, yeah. Do you think that's connected at all, Tom? Absolutely, absolutely. Leave that stuff at home. If you want to have an experience, leave the electronics at home. You know, I carry a camera, but they know me now.

And they know I'm not going to take a picture of the countryside unless I ask permission first. And even if there's nothing around, I will ask. permission because I know they're watching me. They watch me 100% of the time I'm in there. And I always ask, I'm going to take a picture now

as that's all right. And if I don't hear anything in contrary, then I'll go ahead and do it now. But always, and that's all I ever carry, the most I ever carry, is a camera. I don't carry anything else. It's just

I found out many, many years ago that you carry electronics and they'll just avoid you. Who was your mentor in the field of Bigfoot? Nobody. I just had to, I just had to learn everything on my own as I went. As far as I knew,

I was the only person that was even doing any study on them at all. My friend that I was with that day, he didn't believe in him. He thought they were a joke. My family just wanted to make fun of anything that I found. So I quit talking to that. about it and I was entirely on my own for fees until 2010. Okay.

Until 21. I finally found on the internet, actually 20-09. And I found that there were other people around the country doing this. Not many of them, but there were. and I found a person named Arla Williams, Arla Colette, now. And she got to be thinking, but up to that time, I had, you know, 30 years of facts and no way to collate them. And talking to Arla, I got started being able to collate them. And that really, really helped.

I helped unbelievably. I had to the point it was September 25th, 2010 when I met my teacher and he is a 9 foot 3 inch Sasquatch named Akhenitsha

and that has just brought things together. Now I know why and believe me there's still more mystery than there is fact to them. But at least I know what I'm doing, the direction I'm going. And I didn't for many, many years.

It's absolutely fascinating. So it sounds like you had a good 30 years where you were investigating, researching Sasquatch by yourself and really no contact with the outside research community. Were there any... Absolutely. Were there any lessons that you learned during that time that you feel were invaluable to figure out looking back on that time? Yeah, a lot.

Number one, I learned that they're not just an animal, that they are another us. Of course, there was no DNA work at that time, but just studying them, just being with being around them, there was just too much that they did that showed intelligence. One time I was on, oh, I can't remember the name of the creek, out on the west end of the Olympic Peninsula. Pardon me, I'm 81 years old, and then short-term memory is terrible. But I was on this creek. I was late Elksies, an archery Elksis.

And that's the reason I was out there. And I had been there most of the after. afternoon when there was a where I was had my stand was in a little brush patch next to a major trail alongside this creek and the creek was a series in this area was a series of beaver dam there'd be a pond a dam another pond and a dam and the pond behind that one right on up the creek and about oh I don't know it was probably three and the afternoon in that area at that time of the year. It's dark by 4.30. So it was late in the day.

I heard some flashing and I looked down the stream and I could see a Sasquatchewatch it in the Beaver Pond. And actually I watched and pretty quick there were two of them there and it turned out actually there were three of them before when they got

close enough to me. When they got in the pond in front of me where I could watch what they were doing. They were running the salmon that were in the stream, Goodman Creek, was the name of the creek. They were running the salmon up against the beaver dam ahead of them and then picking them up. And as I watched him, he was squeezing them with his arm against his body. And some he would keep, some he would throw back.

And it took me 15, 20, 25 minutes of watching. to figure out what he was doing. And what I finally realized, he squeezed them. If nothing came out, he threw them back. Those were spawned out. But if the eggs or sperm came out, they were fresh. They hadn't spawned yet. And I don't know if you know what about salmon,

but once they spawn, they start just like they've got cancer and start dying. And, I mean, they change color. They get these big open sores on them. So, yeah, nobody's going to want to eat that. Well, they don't either. They're intelligent enough to know that. Then I looked down in his thumbnail, he was close enough I could see it.

It looked just like a knife the way it was shaped. And he was slid him right down the middle. If they had eggs, he'd keep the eggs. If they didn't, he'd just keep the heart and the liver. Okay. Strog throw the rest of it out and then split the back so he had cut them on each side of the spine and then hang them over a tree lamb while they threw

fishing. And when it got time to leave, they took them all with them. That's a high degree of intelligence to do that, to fillet them out like that. Number one, to check them to see if they're spawn. Number two, to fillet them like that to dry. And they dry them just like the Indians did and store them. So yeah, that's a high degree of intelligence there. I knew even then. Since I met my teacher, I realized just how high it is.

But at that time, I had no doubt that they were an intelligent being. Just looked kind of strange. Tom, can you share the story of how you met your teacher? Sure. Sure. Like I say, it was the 25th of September, 2010 and I had been cabin-bound. You got to remember, I lived in the desert then, and it was hot, and I didn't go out much

during the heat. I worked, but the job I had was absolutely fantastic. I was 20, by 2010, I was retired, but my last job was as an engineer, an estimating engineer for an asphalt company. And if it was hot, I'd go to the library or go to the contractor's office where they put all the upcoming jobs

for bid and find out what was coming up and who was bidding on it and, you know, stay in the cool. If it was cool, I'd go out and work the field somewhere. So it was a fun job. And actually, it's the most fun job I ever had in my life other than falling timber. And doing this one, it wasn't trying to kill me with every tree they came to.

But on the, that, but I retired, they forced me to retire in 2007. My heart went screwy on me. And so 2010, I was, I was going to take a trip, just a day trip, maybe stay overnight, just to get out of the house in September, late September. it has cooled off enough. Plus, that's the time between the end of

archery elk season and the beginning of muzzleloader elks season. And it's the time when the elk are bugling the most. I mean, they're deep rut and you never know what you're going to see. So I decided to go take this trip. And I mentioned it Arla and

about two days before I was going to go she says this road you're going on does is there a big pile of wood on that? I said well the road I'm going on I've never been on I've been on the top of the ridge both sides of this of this

river's Tushy River but I've never been on this road because it was a Boise Cascade tree farm prior and they shut it down and beaded it over to the Umatilla Indian Reservation, the tribes of the Indian Reservation.

And they've had it shut while they rebuilt the road. It was in terrible condition. Now the road's finished and they've got the gate open and it's accessible. And I want to just go and check it out. And she said, well, I see a large male Sasquatch with a red stripe on his chest and he's looking for you. Now you've got to remember, Arla is very much of a shaman. She's half Cherokee, quarter chalked off, and quarter Scottish.

So all three are mystics. But she has, she's amazed me in what she's done on many times. One time prior to this occasion, my heart was giving me a bad time. Bad enough I called the paramedics. They came, I was on the gurney, headed out the day. door when my phone rang in Washington. She's in eastern Oklahoma, and she says, who were those people and what's wrong with you? Now, if that doesn't blow you away, there's nothing in the world going to.

And so I explained, but so she told me about this, this, I said, well, I'll do is I'll drive in and if I find a pile of wood, I'll just set up there. I don't know where I'm going, but I'm just going to set up my little, my watch station and when I go, when I'm researching Sasquatch, I don't go tromping in the woods, never have. What I do is I take my holding chair and I learned this from those early days when I was sitting there drawing up my, my bridge site and they'd come peek at me. I have a holding chair, I open it up. I have a nice chest with fried chicken hips. and boiled eggs and diet Pepsi in it.

And I have my Kindle. I opened the chair, put my bottom down in it, grab a chicken hip, a boiled egg and a diet Pepsi, open my candle, and I read. And within an hour, there'll be somebody peeing around a tree at me. And usually now and that, at that age, I was seeing more and more of them.

And so I just, I found that pile of, timber that she was talking about. And I just sat up there. It was a nice little area. I put my, uh, my, uh,

my, uh, step on a stuff. I've got a little older type set up that I use. Uh, some, uh, uh, it's like incense only.

Actually, it's a, it's a, sounds like berries. It's just great. And my eagle feathers and hang them. And, uh,

then I'd just sit and wait and about two in the afternoon I'd miss time for one thing on this trip I had it timed all right for the elk season deer season was done but I forgot fall turkey season now nobody goes

says I'm going turkey hunting in September but it's a great excuse to take the gun on the truck and go for a ride on a Saturday okay and that's what happened. I had four trucks past me and one set of three horses

coming out of the high country there. And about two in the afternoon. And this is the first time I've ever had them speak to me telepathically. Okay? And I get this message. It said, I can't come out. There's too many people.

they might find might see me. Oh, I'm sorry about that. I didn't have to be here today. It could have been Tuesday. I'm retired. It's well been a Tuesday instead of a Saturday. And I had stopped and picked a box of apples and a box of grapes for them on my way out and had them there.

And I asked, do you need me to leave the fruit for you? if you've ever heard of Sasquatch laugh, it's worthwhile, especially when this 9 foot 3 inches tall, got a chest like, oh, you can't believe. And his shoulders are like 54 inches apart across. So you can imagine what his chest looks like. And it's just a big rumble. And he says, have you looked at the river?

And I, oh, okay. You could walk across the river on the salmon that were in it. So no, they weren't hurting for food right then. He said, perhaps if you brought them in the time of the white stuff. I said, okay, I can do that. I can do that. So I said, would it be just as well that I went home now and came back another day? He's yes, that would probably be good.

So that's what I did. I packed everything up, put my chair away, put my ice chest away, put my candle away, and I had one foot in the car. I had my right foot under the steering wheel, sitting down in the driver's seat, and he stood up across me across the little road there, about 12 feet from me. And I wanted you to see me before you left

to know that I'm real, and I'll contact you later on. I said, okay, we can do that. And he just disappeared right about in there and standing right in front of me. And his head had just reached a major crossband. There was a little hawthorn tree there, and he was standing right under it.

And his head just reached a major branch of that tree. So I was measured that just to see in these nine foot, three inches tall. And I named that hawthorn tree, Nathaniel, but, you know, what else you're going to name a hawthorn, right? and so he left I left and a few days later I got a call can you come out anytime soon I can come out anytime you want me to tomorrow then so I went out and the road the gate was shut it was midweek and the gate was shut into that road but right at the end of that property there's nobody there. It's a big, wide open

area. I parked there and walked up the road and went away and looked up on the hill, and there he is. And he has his daughter with him at this time. And she's red body. Her whole body is red hair.

And she's hiding behind dad peeking around his legs at me. He's probably seven or eight years old at the time. And he said, I know you have some concerns about your, what you're, you're learning from us and your priesthood that you hold.

He says, know this, we have the same creator. We serve the same creator. And I asked him, I said, well, what about Christ? Do you know about Christ? Yes, Christ is the savior for mankind, not for us. and the next question I asked, well, do you have a Savior? And the answer is, well, and I hear a lot from them, that's not for you to know at this time. But what he's conveyed was he'd like to have me be their scribe,

and that's why I've written 15 books over the next 12 years. That is absolutely incredible. So the books that you've been writing, you're saying have, They've been telling you to write down things in these books. Yes, he quite often will make sure that I know something so I can write about it. And I write two different ways. Some of them, like Sasquots of Truth, 21 Days to Destiny, Sasquots search for a new man, Sasquot's face-to-pace,

those are all 100% true facts. they're nonfiction. Others like Marnie's story, after Armageddon, the other four. They're novels, but they have facts about Sasquatch in them. And what I do here, I do this

so that the haters can't hate. If I want to tell something really critical or important about them, all include it in a novel. Then when somebody attached me about it, hey, it's a novel. They can't argue it. Frustrates the daylights out of them.

And I love that. But to anybody to whom it's important, those things dealing with Sasquatch and those books are 100% true. So, I mean,

100% true in my vision. You got to remember, we all see things in light of our own history. Okay? Absolutely. So what I see may not be what somebody else would see. I don't know.

It's just how I see it. That's how I relate it. And, you know, I don't tell untruths. I don't make up stories. But other people may have had different experiences. And that's all right. Yes. That first interaction with your teachers is very, very interesting.

And it just, there's a lot to learn from that. Just a random question. Do you know how many toes that they had? Oh, most have five, some have six, and I've even seen some with four. Okay, so you have seen actual ones that have four. Absolutely. So I've interviewed people for a few years now in this subject. And something that will come up, and I'm curious about your thoughts on it, is there are certain parts of the U.S.

like southeast Alaska where if there's four-toed Sasquatch, that can lead to some really interesting interactions. Have you found that the number of toes, if there's a four-toed saskwatch, that can lead to some really interesting interactions? Have you found that the number of toes, if there's a four-toed Sasquatch, that things can, you know, turn south pretty quick? No, I sat with a group that had all three. Some had four, some had most had five, and a few had six. And that was in Prince of Wales Island, Alaska. Okay. And I got with a group of 18 of them at a funeral. Yeah

And They had You know It just varies I find that most Negative interactions Actually I find that all negative interactions Are caused by the human being

And the interaction There's a lack of respect there somewhere That creates a problem Okay The last thing that a species like them would want to do who are trying to stay hidden is to attack the dominant species in the in the bio. They do not want to be brought to attention, okay, but they can be, you can do things wrong. also in my book

Sasquatch face to face as a compilation of 32 face-to-face encounters across the country and you wouldn't believe how many of them expressed how frightened they were they were frightened for their life they absolutely couldn't move

they were so scared and all of them are standing there looking at them your mind gets out of control Okay. Your mind does strange things to you. Back in 2014, I was driving back into camp. We were camped in Northern California on Blue Creek,

which is the next ridge over from Bluff Creek where Bob and Roger had got there filmed. And I was right at the head of Bluff Creek. I was coming back from town. I had to go to the town to get the gas for my... tent heater. And at Maples 14, right at the head of Bluff Creek, on the go road, we came around the corner and there's two of them standing right square in the middle of the road. By the time I got my car stopped, I was not more than 20

feet from them. And I had two people in the car with me. The lady in the passenger seat was from England, and she'd come over just for that outing. And and Arla was in the backseat. And the first thing that Jackie did was she saw the moment. This is Jackie talks. I've talked to Jackie three to four years ago about this. Oh, yeah, go right ahead. Okay, this is interesting.

Yeah. Yeah, because it's the most exciting, or illustrative mind thing that I've ever seen. But she just yelled out as loud as she could. Big foot! I need to rattle the car. They turned in two steps. They were three quarters to seven-eighth across the road.

They turned, went back across the road, across the stroller, and down the bank in two steps. As they disappeared, one of them said, I'm the one you know as Patty. This is my son. And I said, wow, you know, that's pretty cool. cool. But Jackie was, you know, totally new though they were Sasquatch. In the 30, pardon me,

we were at mile post 14 and the 20 miles back to our camp, she had convinced herself that she had not seen two Sasquatch down in the road. She had seen two Mexican drug mules wearing long-haired aggilly suits,

backpacks, wearing flip-flops. why? Because her mind didn't know what Sasquatch was but it knew what Mexican drug mills were. It didn't know what hairy body was but it knew what a gilly suit was and didn't know what a hump shoulder was

but knew what a rucksack was and didn't know what Osmond pads were on the feet but knew what teflops were. So she just rationalized all this back into that's what it had to be. And it was probably two or three days later, Arles says, Jackie,

do you realize you've traveled 6,000 miles to see what you saw? And now your mind's not letting you see it? And that got her started thinking. And by the time we got back to the airport in Portland, she had straightened it all out and understood what her mind had done to her and understood what she had actually seen. But that was so, so fascinating to watch happen. It was unreal.

That is incredible to hear that side of the story. Thank you, Tom, for bringing that up. That is really, really cool because it's been a long time since I've been able to talk to her. I did want to, before we get too far away from it, so when I was talking about Southeast Alaska, I was actually referring to Prince of Wales Island. I just didn't come out and say it, but I'm curious. So did you, you went up there to go look for Sasquatch, or how did that trip go? I went up to salmon fishing, and after three days I'd caught so many salmon that I was tired of salmon fishing.

And I just took off, went, I took my gold pan and headed up into the hills looking for a stream to pan to work my pan in. There was a creek, and I wanted to do. do that and it turned out that the creek I wanted to work on came out of a lake so that kind of missed that up for me and so I just was out wandering around and came on this group of Sasquatch and they asked me if I wanted to join with them. You get it up and understand when one knows something, they all know it. So wherever I go, they know who I am. And I don't have to wait for them at all.

Can you describe how those Sasquatch looked like that you saw on that island specifically? Oh, it's just the same as any other. Buried in color from, there were no redwoods in that group, but there were from white to black and everything in between. Just like our hair color varies. so does theirs and they were of a size

you know they were much bigger than me I was just looking at them from somewhere between just above the navel to the middle of the chest middle of chest and height and it's just that's how it was they were run of the middle

and like I said it was a burial ceremony that they'd asked me to attend with them and I was with 18 males, and there were some females, too. For the ceremony, the males and females separated, one on one side and one on the other side. What was your part in the ceremony? Was it just to watch?

What was going on then? Just to watch. Did you get any feeling as to if it was a natural death, or if something? Yeah, it was natural. Okay. It was natural, yeah. And you got to remember, not like state of Washington.

there's about 300 in the state of Washington, 72,000 square miles. They live about 100 years nominally unless an accident happens, but their age is about 100 years. Now, that means that in the state of Washington, in those 72,000 square miles, there will be three deaths a year. Does that answer you why you don't find a body?

Yeah, I definitely would. would make it a lot more sense. So are they actually bearing them like we do, you know, digging a hole in the ground and then like the ground? Yeah, way down. And you wouldn't, I know what they looked like, so I know what to look for, but you would never believe it was a grave if you found one.

Yeah, they'll transport, or transfer trees, transplant trees, a foot and a half in diameter. over the top of the grave. And in the year, you'll never know that they hadn't lived there forever. And, yeah, you'll never find out of their graves. How far down are they usually having to dig? From anywhere from four feet to 20 feet depending on the soil. Does the tree act as a sort of marker?

Do they have like a marker that honors them like we do? No, they'll. they'll put a big rock there for that. Yeah, I think that's the purpose of that. But they'll plant, you know, two or three trees, just to disguise it is what that's for. Very interesting. What are your thoughts on there's a whole lot in the community

in the last few years of tree structures and axes. And is that a thing that you would ever notice in your research going far back. Oh, absolutely. Okay. My partners and I did a a five-year study on their glyphs

and their structures. We did it in B.C. And one of my partners lived in B.C. and had a great place to do it. And so that's where we did the study. And yes, they very definitely

are they're a way of communication, most of the glyphs. And it's mostly between them. If the glyph is for you, you'll have no trouble in. I'll understand it. You may have to think about it a little bit, but you'll have no trouble understanding it. If it's not for you, you're reading somebody else's mail.

And that's difficult to do. Because, I mean, just look at English and take the word B-O-W and tell me what it means. You know, it could be a ribbon in your hair. It could be a bend at the waist. It could be the front end of a ship. It can be something to launch an arrow with. All of them the same word, right?

It's all about context. It is. It's all about context. And if you don't, if it's not for you, you don't know the context. So it's impossible to know the meaning, okay? One thing I will tell you, there are general signs that generally mean a specific area of thought. The X is almost always a welcome, a welcome a friendship sign. The asterisk is a power sign, power symbol.

So those are pretty common. You'll find a lot of both of those. and when you find an asterisk that's tied in the center, and I've got a few of those, you know, that puts a special emphasis on it. That's a very special spot. On your website, I saw that it makes mention of an upcoming expedition, and it also makes mention of a prior expedition back in 2014.

around the Go Road, specifically Elk Meadows, and that it was a very interesting expedition. Would you be able to share maybe a little bit about what happened on that expedition? Part of that, I already told you, the deal with Jackie happened on that one. So that's the same thing. Okay, perfect. Great. Yeah.

Okay. I was curious. Yeah. And, oh, my heavens, we had five Sasquatch sightings right in camp. the two on the road we had them in the camp all night long every night

that camp is where the term Sasquatch Penaata came from um Kathy one of the few people there she liked to put her tent away from everybody else so that the young ones will come play with her tent at night

and she talks to them has a great time about the third morning she came to the fire and her eyes looked like two burnt holes in a blanket she hadn't any sleep at all you know and Arlis says you know what's matter Kathy aren't she getting any sleep? She says no they won't let me sleep

I try to get to sleep and they they poke me through the tent she's like just can't get any sleep at all well she's just tell them that that you need you sleep leave you alone tonight. He said, can I do that? I said, sure you can't.

So she's, okay, okay, guys, listen up. You leave me alone tonight. Go play with Nancy. Poor Nancy. She and her husband, Russ, were down at the other end of the meadow, and they slept on hammocks.

And those little guys, they'd run by, and as they ran by, they'd pop them on the butt and the hammock. And that's where that's where the turn, Sasquatch Penaata came from. Another thing that all happened, oh, geez, we had them all around the camp.

Kathy was walking back to her tent from, she and I sat up late one night talking. She's been a good friend for so many years. And I had gone to bed. I'd headed for my tent. and she made sure the fire was down in good shape that there was wood there for the morning. It was late.

It was after 11 o'clock. Usually I'm in bed by 8, 8.30. And she's walking back to her tent and walks right face to face into one, I mean, six, eight feet. And it just froze her in place. Absolutely frozen her in place. You got to remember, this is a safety factor.

They do that because then they can get away. And you don't go running off, running amok across the field or something like where we were there. There were trenches all over the place. And you could run off into one of those and kill yourself. And so it kept her still while they moved out of position. And then I'm in my tent. And I hear Tom, Tom, come here and help me. I need you. So, okay, Kathy, I'm here.

Let me put my pants back on. Because I was just getting in bed. I'd already got, taken my medications or an evening. And it was just laying down on my bed. And I got back up, pulled my pants on. I didn't put the shoes on. And it's cold. I mean, we're 5,500,000 feet elevation in mid-June.

It's cold at night. And I get over there, and here she has bent over. I was, what happened, Captain? She's, I don't know, all I saw was a great big redwood log standing upright. She said, I couldn't see above his waist, but I saw these two big redwood logs. And I looked up, and he was back behind it by a tree. there's a Port Upper Senior Tree that grew just behind

her tent and he was just standing there with that. And the funny thing is they were apologizing to one another and neither one was listening to the other one. And it was so funny. And I told him, I said, okay brother, I've got her. You can let her go now.

You can release her. I'll make sure she doesn't run the mug. And he did. And I told her, I just grab you a cat and throw up my tent. stay there tonight. And, you know, that, that bothered her, though, for quite a while. It's just been the last couple of years now that she's pretty much returned to normal, able to face them again.

And she didn't realize what they'd done and why they'd done it. She knew what they'd done, but not why they'd done it. Actually, she found that out. She was a little bit better with it. And she's back pretty much normal now. Well, normal for Kathy anyway. But yeah, that's just a few of the things that have happened there. I wrote, what, four or five different essays on things that happened in that 2014 camp.

And what I want to do in 20 and 2025 is return there. And I want to make this the event of the decade of the 2020s, things that nobody's ever done before. on a camp out there. I will have to limit the people that come. But we're going to have a presentation every day by one person or another. We're going to do a

expedition into the Patterson Gimland film site, probably an overnighter. We will have several different interest groups formed. There will be one interest group headed by somebody that's

well knowledge in Sasquatch. There'll be another interest group headed by somebody that's well-informed on orbs. There'll be another one maybe on little people, maybe on ETs. And we haven't decided that.

We haven't met a planning meeting coming up after our camp out in the Blue Mountains. week. So next week or two, we'll plan that and get things decided and end up and figured out. But it's on my website. My website is easy to find. It's just my name.com, Tom Cantrell.com. And the reason I did that is I started out when I first had a website, I used my first book name, goes to ruby ridge.com. But by the time I'd written 10 books, the name of my website,

I was too long to handle anymore. Gotcha. It seems like a really interesting, fun time, and I'll definitely have the link to that in the show notes for this. Okay, thank you. Tom, have you ever, well, so there's a question I ask a lot of times, and I think I already know the answer because of how your accounts have been so far. I'm just going to ask it, though.

Has there ever been a time when you're in the woods, There's been Sasquatch involved where things just get really intense and you're like, I don't want to be in this situation right now. I'd rather be out of this situation. Oh, yes. Okay. Oh, yes. That's happened.

And usually it's because I've gotten somewhere where I shouldn't be. Okay. And usually that involves a mother and a child. But I solved it. I just left. Okay. And don't try to push them. I don't care what species you're talking about.

A mother is going to protect her children. And with any means possible. Also, juvenile or adolescent males. Nobody gets in more trouble in any species than adolescent males. Okay, they do the weirdest things. There's no accounting for them. Okay. and that's it's a terrible thing

but just leave say hey I don't want to disturb you talk to them please talk to them they'll understand you and just say hey I don't want to disturb you I don't want any trouble I'll just leave now and come back later it's no problem

you know we're in their home what would you do if somebody came in your home Right. And started acting out. Was that in the Pacific Northwest that that happened? Oh, I've had that happen in Georgia. I've had it happen in Oklahoma. I've had it happen in Alaska.

I've had, you know, B.C. everywhere. It's the same thing. Oh, wow. Yeah. I wanted to ask you about a specific place, just something, a place that's kept coming up a few times from different people is, have you heard anything about Spirit Lake in, Oregon in the Willamette National Forest? Oh, yeah. Is there anything you can share about that area?

I'm not that familiar with it. I've just heard stories about it. Yeah. So you have heard Sasquatch experiences from that area? Oh, yes, yes. Oh, wow. I've heard some pretty intense things from people that are not researchers, that are not, you know, in quotations,

Bigfoot people, but they have been in that area doing nature things and they've run into these creatures. So I think that area in the Willamette is a very active area just from entire Willamette National Forests is active. I've been in other places in there and just had great, great, great, great things happen.

And that's where I had my first heaving experience. Was it southwest of Mount Hood in the Willamette National Forest? And we were in camp with Jeff Rohn. And oh, Jim, don't get old. It's not worth it. Right. Yeah. But some of the old Oregon.

That's what's people, Autumn Williams, that old group. Oh, wow. And there are about 10 or 12 of us in camp there. And my partner, research partner, Sue, and I were invited to join them. And I was feeling, oh, I was terrible. My heart was out of sync. And it was absolutely, absolutely out of this world hurting. and I could barely breathe.

I could I could barely do anything. And Jim, Jim, to me, told Jeff, he says, I don't think we're going to see Tom here tomorrow. And I wasn't,

I was headed back to town to head to a doctor. And that night, and so I'd like the second or third night in camp, Sasquatch had been around our tents all that long. I mean, I had, you know,

footprints, 16 inches, long or right next to my tent. And on this particular night, I woke up just before daylight and there was a buzzing sound. And Sue was awake. She's, where's that buzzing sound coming from? I said, right out of my chest. And it was.

If you point a point your finger right below your sternum, right at the base of the sternum, that's where it was coming from. As a matter of fact, it burned the spot in my skin. and I've got pictures of it. I've posted pictures of it, of that burn spot. And it stayed for, actually stayed for a couple of years before it finally went away. And it was just a sound. And I thought it went for 15 or 20 minutes before it stopped.

Sue got up, she looked outside the tent, but didn't see anything. She never went outside. She did look out. I found out later, she said, no, no, that was been going on for 10. or three hours. And what it did, it reset my heart. My heart is in, as in fibrillation all the time, 100% of time. But it made it so it was in rhythm again.

And they did it that time. They did it one more time in a camp later on up in Northern Idaho. They treated it again. and that happened first time in the land or the willam it. Wow. That's incredible. I mean, that's amazing that that was able to happen. And definitely a good thing.

It was able to happen as well. They've kept me alive. They really have. Exactly. I just, just this last week, I had a siege that hit me. I called for help from my teacher. And it just went away just like he snapped your face. fingers. Wow.

The last three days, my blood pressure has been way high all at once. I asked him for help, and this morning it's normal. So, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be alive now if it weren't for them. That's extremely interesting. So you've mentioned you've been all over the U.S. looking for Sasquatch, which is incredible over the years. Did you ever, were you ever able to go down to southeast Oklahoma? Oh, yes, yeah.

Yeah, I spoke to the Honolabee Conference there a couple different years. And Arla lives in southeast Oklahoma. Okay. And yeah, so that's one of my favorite areas because they're all over down there. And one of my favorite occurrences happened in Georgia at our camp there. Okay. We're west of Atlanta, but only about eight or ten miles from the Alabama line.

And we're in camp. 18 of us around a campfire, and two of them stood right behind me at the campfire. So I tell people, if anybody wants to call that one a liar, they've got to call 18 people a liar, including the Georgia Superior Court judge. Who was there?

Yeah. Oh, wow. Yep. And they turned and walked back in the brush, Arla, Keith Bearden. I've been trying to talk to Keith for a long time. Yep. Oh. If you do, tell him, I said I sent you. All right. He'll talk to him.

All right. Good friend. And two other people anyway. Oh, Jonathan Goebbels and a young man. I can't remember his name. Zach, Zach, something. And they took off and walked back in the brush fall, and there was a third one back there that wouldn't come out. But I did.

I had two of them standing right behind me as a campfire. I looked up over my, you know, backwards, upside, there's two upside-down Sasquots looking at me. Oh, wow. Yeah. And, yeah, all of, everybody there saw. Tom, you know, over the years that you were, you're researching,

were you at any point able to get evidence like, did you ever cast footprints or trying to get photo evidence or audio recordings or anything? No, I never tried the photos and audio, but yeah, I cast enough footprints, I had my garage full of them. and finally gave them all away. Wow.

And now I've been working on just things. I'm sure I just did a presentation or put together a PowerPoint and we're going to do the presentation on it online here sometime the next week or two on absolute scientific proof of not only their existence, but the veracity of the Patterson-Gemond film. It's a very simple system, and it's called intramaral index. It's something that's taught in every anatomy class in the country,

and what it is is the ratio of your arm length to your leg length. in us that ratio is 72 our arms are 72% of the length of our legs in chimpanzees it's 105 their arms are just slightly longer than their legs in gorillas it's 122 they're substantially longer than their legs Sasquatch

if you ever looked at frame 354 where she's looking back and her arms extended okay you can tell the arms are longer right their intermembril index is 84 and if you ever want to if you ever want to check the veracity of a photograph

check the intermembral index on it everything in UTV puts out is 72 it's all with human the Bob Hieronymus suit 72 who was

at Leroy Blevins who said he debunked the the Patterson Gimman film entirely and they learned out walk and

all of that and do the Intermeminal index it's 72 do it on Patty it's 84

Do it on the Fourth of July footage. It's 84. Okay. Do it on the Marble Mountain footage. It's 84. Is it really? Do it on Patel. Do it on Paul Freeman's, 84.

Is it really, okay, wow. Yep. Do it on Tom Suey's stuff. he posted was 72. Do it on Todd Standings, it's 72. Gotcha. Okay. That's incredible.

Yeah. So that's all you have to do, Ivan Marks, 72. So what I've done is I've taken testimony of experts on the Patterson Gimlin film, starting with John Chambers and Dr. Lund and Dr. Lund and, and, uh, Dr. Andrew Nelson, Jeff Meldram, and Bill Munn's. I don't know how much Bill Munn's you've done, but that man has got the best in the world at proving it and read his book when Roger met Patty

and look at his YouTube site, Bill Munn's reports. When you get done there, there's no way that you can can even consider that it's anything but the real thing. And people who are still arguing that is a fake, just have no idea what they're talking about. They're not listening to people that know about it. They're listening to their brother-in-law. You know, even Peter Brooke, who ran Jim Henson Creature Shop,

can you think he doesn't know something about making costumes? Absolutely. He said it could pot and up. possibly be a suit or is impossible to make a suit like that in 1967. So, yeah, all of these things count. Yeah. Tom, I really appreciate your time today. I have one more question for you before the end of our time.

I feel like there's a in the community, like I hear a lot of things. I talk to a lot of people. and there seems to be start of a focus on let's capture a type specimen but let's try to pretty much put it on the slab to be blunt

and I try to talk people out of that just for safety reasons please do there's no reason for it none whatsoever all people who want who are demanding proof want

is to satisfy their own. This will show the people that will have been telling me, no, that's not what this is about. And the last thing I ever want to do is to have the government, having them proven to the point that the government

tries to take control. Look at our government's track record with indigenous people and tell me how you want them to, first of all, they'd try to put them all in one place, You can imagine that with Sasquatch.

That's just not going to... Not a good picture. No, no. But an even worse picture, everybody's going to be wanting. Everything shut down. No logging whatsoever. Nobody in the forest

because they're endangered. How do you know they're endangered? They're not endangered. We're endangered. They control their population very well. I couldn't give you examples of that and how they do it. But that's not the point.

The point is there is no need for proof. Now, they're coming forth. They want more contact, but they're choosing who they want contact with. And they don't want contact with your brother-in-law. They want contact with people they can work with. That's number one. Lose your fear.

fear is one emotion they cannot work through so lose your fear number two clear your heart be in respect you know you got to be a pure heart and you have to be in respect there is nothing

that replaces respect okay if you do those things then you have a very good chance of having one walk up and say, you know, hi, I'm your teacher. Listen to me and we'll go far. That's great advice. And I hope that people listening to this take that to heart and definitely think about that before they are going out.

But Tom, this has been a very interesting discussion. Thank you for sharing everything you've learned over the years. I really appreciate being able to talk to you today. Well, thank you very much. I've had very, very profound questions, and it makes it very easy to do so. And my advice to people, just that. Relax, be yourself, lose a fear, there's nothing to be fearful of. If you think you have an aggressive Sasquatch, I'm 81 years old.

Call me, I'll come stand in front of you. It's that simple. I've been there, done that, you know? Absolutely. Okay. And my book pages down right now. I'm working on it again. But please look at my books that I've got to offer and buy one if you can.

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