Bigfoot Society - Mark Matzke: Monsters and Ministry (Bigfoot Society Classic)
Episode Date: September 27, 2023In this episode of Bigfoot Society Classic, recorded on 5/18/20, I chat with Mark Matzke about his involvement with Small Town Monsters, being a Luthern minister and more.Resources:https://www.smallto...wnmonsters.comSaswhat podcast (Gone but not forgotten): https://saswhat.podbean.comMonsteropolis podcast (Also Gone but not forgotten): https://monsteropolis.podbean.comWATCH THE IOWA EPISODE IN THE “SASQUATCH: A SEARCH FOR SABE” DOCUMENTARY SERIES BY TATE HIERONYMUS // FIND OUT ALL ABOUT MY FIRST BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo8O4rvywzECall the Bigfoot Society BIGFOOT ENCOUNTER hotline! Have you seen a Sasquatch and would like to get what happened “off your chest” but don’t have time for an interview? NOW YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR TIME AND SHARE IT WITH THE WORLD! Share it here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsocietyTo unlock more bonus content and much more, become a supporting member of Bigfoot Society by joining the Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyBecome a Youtube Channel member here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinSupport Bigfoot Society one time by buying me a coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsociety To pick up a Bigfoot Society shirt, stickers and more, check out our merch by heading on over to https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietySend me a voice message to potentially be used for the show by calling 515-809-0165 Here’s a fun prompt - “Hey, my name’s [your name] and you’re listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast!”If you’d like to send me fan mail, Bigfoot related products to check out or written out Bigfoot encounters then you reach me at the following address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072Join our private Facebook group "Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters" for a chance to connect with others who have had similar experiences. Follow the directions to ensure your entry is accepted.https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_linkTune in to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q) for new episodes of Bigfoot Society, and visit our website (www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com) for all the links mentioned above and more.Don't miss out on the Bigfoot action! —— Affiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.—— MY GEAR —— My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYMy Podcast Mic: https://amzn.to/3AlYwb9My Computer: https://amzn.to/40CCjQyMy Headphones: https://amzn.to/40A8gcrMy Webcam: https://amzn.to/3NqfddhThe best Bigfoot book: https://amzn.to/41x8IcN Lose the weight along with me on Noom. Get 20% off your subscription with link below. (Consult your doctor first) https://noom.com/r/GdkaWNddL?1251Join Whatnot and pick up some sweet video games and vintage shirts. Use my link below and we both get $10 credit after you place your first order. https://whatnot.com/invite/bigfootsocietyLearn more and up your creative game with Skillshare. Use my link and get a $50 gift card. https://share.skillshare.com/bigfootsocietyIf you want an amazing website like Bigfoot Society has that is extremely easy to set up and connects to your podcast in an incredible way then check out Podpage. https://www.podpage.com/?via=jeremiah (Use this affiliate link and you help out Bigfoot Society)
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We have Mark Madsky with us.
Of course, you may have heard of Mark from the Small Town Monsters.
If you're on the YouTube channel, then you can see the hat I'm wearing.
So, Mark, hats off to you.
The Small Town Monsters thing is really cool.
Of course, this is from the Kickstarter.
I want to say like two years ago.
It was the, who which one was it?
It was the one with On the Trail of Bigfoot.
Okay.
Right.
I had to get into that.
And I was actually involved with the filming of the one with, I'm blanking on the name.
You got to help me out.
But it's the one with terror in the skies, right?
Yep.
Terror in the skies.
Yeah.
I was asking questions to certain individuals that were filmed in eye.
Iowa.
Oh, okay.
The same day of the Van Meter Visitor Festival.
So that's pretty cool.
So that would be Chad Lewis and Kevin Nelson.
Totally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My buddy, Andrew Peterson, was filming that with his friends.
So.
Excellent.
Yeah, that's very cool.
Yeah.
I mean, compliments because I don't even have a small town monsters hat.
That's a little bit.
It's something we get on Seth about.
A lot of the crew doesn't have it because.
Oh, really?
There was, yeah, there was an original wave of hats, a very limited run.
Those sold out very quickly at conferences and things.
Yeah, there's not a lot of those from what he says.
There are not.
So we even bang on Seth occasionally to say, you know, do you have our hats yet?
And a lot of us don't.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
Well, before this becomes the hat podcast, which I'm sure people listening would love.
Yes.
So, Mark, would you mind, how do you introduce yourself?
Well, I guess I would say that as far as Small Town Monsters goes, I am support behind the scenes.
I've been a co-writer on a lot of the most recent films ever since.
a boggy creek monster I started to do some of the transcribing of the interviews,
which is simply taking the recorded interview and breaking it down almost word for word
so that when Seth is going through or whoever is editing a given project can see where the
topics shift in the conversation or in an interview makes it easier to edit.
And then from there, you know, I got into the co-writing on Invasion on Chestnut Ridge and also narrated that one.
So I've done a little bit of everything.
A lot of the B-roll, I shouldn't say a lot, but a good deal of the B-roll on the Trail of Bigfoot was taken on my iPhone.
So it's fun to watch that now and go back and say, hey, that's, that's, that's, that's,
footage I got just shooting my iPhone, you know, trailing behind Seth and, and whoever we were
talking to at a given moment and Shane Corson and those guys. I just had Shane on this. He's sorry to
interrupt, but she's fun. I just had Shane on the podcast. He's a fun, fun talk. Yeah. He is fun. He's good. He's
he really knows his stuff. And he's one of those guys that you would just say is absolutely legit in
terms of being out there in the field.
You know, somebody like me, I would characterize as just 100% a researcher in this,
like, historic sense.
Yeah.
In the book sense.
And I mean, we, we go out for the films and interview people and go on site to some of these
famous areas.
But what Shane does, what Derek Randalls and those guys do is the other end of the
spectrum and it's absolutely necessary, which is the day and day out or just as often as possible
field work that they do.
And yeah, Shane's awesome.
I think Seth would tell you he saved our life most likely out on the Olympic Peninsula.
Are you kidding?
Well, he heard something in the woods and he was real cool about it, but he went to check it out
and he was kind of 90% sure that there was a mountain lion in the general vicinity.
he heard it. And we heard something. And so, you know, he went into the woods after whatever
was making the sound. I guess they'll either flush it out or scare it away. Yeah. And he said,
yeah, it's probably a mountain lion, you guys. And we're like, okay. That's nothing to,
that's nothing to mess around with you. They'll jump on you and snap your neck. Right. It's pretty
serious. And we made light of it because that's how we handle most things. But later on, I think,
it kind of hit us that this is the real deal you know this is uh pacific northwest to the uttermost
oh yeah totally yeah totally but i guess all that is to say my role with small town monsters is
is i think of it mostly in terms of writing and helping to um give give from a narrative standpoint
some editing i love the um narration part of it i love to you know i'm i'm really happy with how
invasion and on Chestnut Ridge turned out from a narration standpoint and being able to do champ
and one of the case files episodes I do UFOs of the Ridge.
So that it's just but like a Jack of All Trades behind the scenes type guy and at the same
time then being co-host on SASWAT originally and now Monsteropolis with Seth.
Yeah.
is another way that, you know, it's taken a couple different forms over the years,
but I can honestly say that it's probably because of Sasswat the most and first,
that that opened the doors for me to just network and meet a lot of the people who I had read books by.
And then all of a sudden I was talking to them in an interview format like this,
or meeting them at conferences and they had listened to shows that Seth and I did,
which was pretty crazy.
And so I guess to sum it all up,
my role is as a researcher and sort of a behind the scenes,
just a help,
just a helper.
That's awesome.
It's open so many doors for me.
I can't even.
Oh, I'm sure.
I'm sure, yeah.
Yep.
So there's that.
What is, what's the nine to five for Martin Aski?
Yeah, the nine to five is, I, my vocation is as a called minister in the Lutheran Church.
Cool.
People who are into the denominational breakdown.
We are a Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod, which was founded largely by German immigrants to the United States.
coming into the Missouri area, St. Louis and the surrounding Mississippi River Valley area
and then fanning out across the United States.
But that's, you know, and it's, I'm a pastor of a church that has in the neighborhood of
450 members or so.
Oh, that's pretty solid.
Yeah, it's a pretty active church.
Good.
situated about 20 miles due east of downtown Cleveland. So we're northeast Ohio. And it's just a
great situation for me. And the thing that is interesting is, you know, you kind of tentatively start
letting people in on what your interests are after being there for a little while, at least, so that, you know,
you've established a relationship of trust so then you can also say, hey, you know, guess what my
hobby essentially is. And that's awesome. It's really been very well accepted. I mean, I can't imagine
somebody, you know, a pastor in the church doing what I do 50 years ago. I just don't see happening.
No way. No way.
attitudes have changed tremendously to the point where a lot of our shouldn't say a lot but a handful of members either know what I do and like it and listen to the shows to the and others are to the degree that they've back kickstaters consistently like for many years and consecutively so the support really is there and they enjoy hearing the stories I think
and some of them have even told me about some of the more unusual things that have happened to them.
And again, I don't think maybe even 10 or 15 years ago,
they probably would have felt as comfortable talking about cryptids or hauntings or anything like that.
And there's just a general comfort level with that these days that I find pretty refreshing for obvious reasons.
So that's been cool.
Do you ever have a visitor to your church that comes up to you after the end of the service?
And it's like, great, great message pastor, but let's talk Bigfoot now that I got to.
Like, that's got to happen.
Or has that never happened?
That has never happened at church, although I have an interesting story that's close to that.
But what has happened is where it's come close is that various screenings that have taken place,
And we always try to get a movie shown sometime closely after the general release at the Canton Palace Theater.
Yeah, exactly.
A beautiful old theater in downtown Canton.
And I've had people come up to me at palace screenings afterwards and say, you know, we drove up from Columbus and we go to the church of pastor that you know.
So I've had those type of connections where it's been close.
That's cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, you know, and they, it's sort of the same sensation.
And what they're telling me is it's so cool that, you know, they express it to me as, you know, we were watching, you know, we were watching STM on Amazon Prime.
And it said that you were a Lutheran pastor and we couldn't believe it.
So we connected some of the dots.
And, you know, we go to a church of someone, another pastor who knows you very well.
And so there are those type of connection.
that are out there.
That is so cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Going back to, you've already mentioned that because of Saswa and Small Town Monsters,
etc.
You've had some really cool experience.
What is, if you had to say the number one, like I can't believe that just happened to me
or that I'm here, what would that be?
And that's probably going to be tough because I can think of like three for you.
Yeah, I think the A number one would have to be last year I was invited and my son, Andy, was invited to present at the International Cryptozoology Conference held in Portland, Maine.
Portland, Maine, yep.
Yeah, when Lauren asked us not only to come out, but to present, I mean, it's the whole you could have knocked me over with a feather type of.
So cool.
Situation.
And I think related to that would have, you know, a very close second is also Lauren Coleman
related because, you know, that's, he was one of my major ways into the field of
crypto zoology in the first place reading Mysterious America, you know, the first
edition in the mid-80s as a kid.
And when he, when we invited him out to the second Minerva Monster Day,
Seth asked if Andy and I would pick him up from the airport
and just make sure he got to his hotel
in Minervo, Ohio later that day.
So we got to pick him up, drive him around,
you know, go antique shopping.
Oh, you kidding me?
No way.
Oh, that's the best right there.
Yeah, it was just thinking about it right now.
I mean, you can tell I just,
there's like an unreal quality to it.
Yeah.
that was enhanced 100-fold by the fact that he was just down to earth,
super interested in Andy and what his, like his academic interests were,
and what his, you know, extracurricular interests were.
We basically spent those two whole days with him and just got to know him at a very personal level.
and there's a point at which
you know he brought items to sell in our vendors area
and so it had a little international cryptozoology museum
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Table set up among the vendors.
He had to go in.
I think he wanted to watch the screening of Minerva Monster.
So he asked my son, will you run my table for me?
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah.
And he said, well, Andy, now you're a, you are on staff at the International Cryptozoology Museum.
And we were very cool, very cool.
Looking at each other, like, this is, this is the best.
So I think, you know, they're all related in some way to Lauren.
And I guess I would say in this time of lockdown, it's, I would, you know, if it, if it, you have the means to do this, support your favorite small business.
Oh, cryptozoology and supernatural people.
Yeah.
ICM, you know, guys like Cliff Berkman and the North American Bigfoot Center.
Absolutely.
I think it's really important right now.
For the next generation, so it's around.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yep.
So, yeah, being asked to go out there and actually present in front of the crowd that had gathered was really unforgettable.
And I put together a little presentation on the Peninsula Python, which is North East Ohio.
Yeah.
It's a specific couple of cases of the, I know.
allegedly a sighting of a full-grown python in the Cuyahoga River Valley
and around a small location near Peninsula, Ohio,
which is within the Cuyahoga Valley National Park today.
Check that out.
And it's just an incredible story,
not because I'm convinced that people actually saw a big python,
but because of how it became woven into the local culture.
Exactly.
Yeah, mostly because.
of one singular person, a writer for a Cleveland paper named Robert Bordner, who is also
a Peninsula resident, and he ended up being the first president of the Peninsula
local public library. If you go to the Peninsula Library today, there are, there's one
major mosaic on an interior wall that's a Peninsula Python themed.
Oh, really?
That is so cool.
And it's because he commissioned a local artist to do it.
And it survives.
I mean, and occasionally, Peninsula will still have Peninsula Python days.
Not every year.
And it's kind of weather dependent or whether there's,
the Chamber of Commerce sort of feels like doing it.
But it survives to this, the present day.
Although I fear that it's in danger of, you know, outside of Peninsula proper.
if you were to ask somebody in the Cleveland area,
have you heard of the Peninsula Python?
And chances are they'd say no.
Just because it's so specific and so small scale.
But I just, I love the entire story.
And Peninsula Library houses essentially every article ever written by Bordner and others about the Python.
And it's fun to go in there because the director is more than half.
happy to talk to anybody about it. Oh, yeah, totally. Like, you know about this? Yeah, yeah, I do. Can you, can you show me
anything? And he just opened the files. So that was pretty, pretty awesome. Yeah, I, uh, it sounds just like how
the van meter visitor is in a van meter, Iowa, um, just outside of where I live in West Des Moines.
And that is just the most fun day festival I've gone for the last four or five years. And,
every year it gets a little bit bigger.
You wait, it's going to be huge.
Like this last year, we had like Jay Bichotian, you know, from Wisconsin.
So I'm serious, like, every year.
Yeah.
Small town monsters is coming up next.
Like, yes.
We're going to, yeah, like, who knows what the future will bring.
But it's very cool.
Like those little towns in their heritage like that, I love that stuff.
You know, I grew up in Western Mass.
And, man, the stuff out there is crazy too.
Oh, yeah.
But, um, so coming up in the,
future.
Well, I mean, who knows right now, but I know that you had some interesting things planned
for future small town monsters, including things like, you know, like the Bell Witch,
which is very like, that's kind of a departure from like the crypted stuff.
Is that something where you've had to like, you know, kind of mentally prepared for that coming
coming down the pike or like how, you know, I don't know, I would have to think maybe twice
about how close I get involved with that.
But that's, that's me.
Sure.
You know, I mean, yeah.
And like, I don't know.
I understand.
It's crazy if you read that story, right?
It is.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No doubt.
It is, it isn't a departure for sure.
And it's, in a sense, it's the type of expansion that we're starting to do in the sense that, you know, Seth is open always to ideas from his team about what you want to do next.
Oh, okay.
What projects do you want to consider?
Because this, the whole Bellewitch project really was brought to Seth by Jason Udice, who is a production manager for us.
and does a lot of the stuff that you don't typically think of in terms of filmmaking,
but everybody who participates in an interview on screen, for example,
you need them to sign a waiver that they're not going to come back
and file a lawsuit or something because they don't like how it turned out
and just scheduling appointments, things like that.
And he does all that.
And Jason has also branched out into co-writing,
and he was a co-writer.
on Momo, for example.
I love Momo so much.
Oh, good, thank you.
That's the most fun movie to watch.
Great.
You guys did really good on that.
Oh, I appreciate that so much.
Being in Central Iowa, I was like, I was like, I could just drive down.
I could just drive down.
But I know there's going to be people I try that crud.
But I was like, it's so close.
I could, oh, man, I loved it.
Yeah.
That was a really amazing thing for me because my involvement was on that was, you know,
I didn't participate in any of the filming because, well, I shouldn't say that in the documentary
portion.
I didn't participate in the filming for the faux film.
I was involved in that part of it.
But for me, the most fun was writing, because it was Jason and I and Seth.
working on the film within the film.
And that was just a blast to do.
And what was so striking to me was how the film in my head,
how close it actually came to being what you see on screen.
That's cool.
You go into it from a writer's standpoint thinking,
I'm going to put this down on paper and chances are it'll never look anything like what I'm thinking.
and just the opposite happened.
It was pretty wild in that regard.
Nice.
But anyway, back to Bell Witch.
I mean, I think the way that we're looking at this story,
as freaky as it is,
and I really resonate with what you say about,
thinking twice about getting involved closely with it,
in small town monsters fashion,
we're most interested probably in the folkloric elements.
Okay, cool.
Yep, yep.
Not to say that it's going to be a dry academic exercise.
I don't think it will be,
but we're going to be trying to probably make some connections between Belwich.
And I'm just learning now about this whole wizard clip story
that comes out of West Virginia.
I'd never heard of this before.
and I'm just starting to hear about it now,
but it's got some of the same
poltergeist-ish elements to it.
And, you know, families being afflicted,
religious figures,
you know, clerical figures becoming involved.
So you hear some of these early stories
and you set them next to one another
and it raises some questions.
And I think that's sort of what we're,
that's one of the angles we'll probably take
in terms of time.
That's cool.
That's cool.
I can't wait.
Are you up for some rapid fire questions?
Yeah.
From Instagram.
All right, cool.
Okay.
First one is from Crypto chat girl, which is yami's really cool.
So listeners, check her out.
I've actually had an episode with her a few back.
But she asks, what is the most interesting thing you've investigated or
would like to investigate.
Hmm.
Yeah, that's a great need.
Yeah, that is.
I think, well, I've sort of talked about it before, probably, on one hand,
I'll make it a two-part rapid fire.
On one hand is the Peninsula Python story,
just because it's so unique to our area.
And there's a cultural imprint here that still you can trace it,
which I find absolutely fascinating.
There's so many rabbit trails with it,
including the history of the artist,
who did the mosaic of the peninsula python,
and also the mosaic that's on the front of the library itself,
which is of the Cuyahoga River,
winding through the valley and her history as an artist.
So probably that,
and also because of the literally walking into the historical society
and having them get the stuff out of the file cabinet
and lay it out in front of me.
That's cool.
It's just an unforgettable experience,
one that I kind of hope to do over again in the future,
maybe for future research or something.
But I think to go a different direction with that question
was the time that we were able to spend in Wisconsin
at Bray Road and in Jefferson County,
in particular being on site at the St. Colleta's Institute,
where the old 1930s report from the Knight Watchman Shackleton, I think was his name.
This is like 1932.
He saw what appears today we'd call a dogman digging in an Indian.
in burial mound.
Okay.
Yeah.
I've heard of this.
I'd like this sounds super familiar.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's one of,
it's a backbone of Linda Godfrey's research.
I think she's pretty much responsible for, yeah,
for bringing that story to light.
Yeah.
So I think that that too, you know, in the mid to late 90s,
I became aware of the Bray Road incident and through Inside Edition.
and all those things.
And then getting my hands on.
It's awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, hey, that's what you had back then.
That's what it was.
Inside edition.
It's crazy.
And that was kind of an eye-opening reminder going back through footage for Beast of Bray Road.
Because we did look into that a lot.
Look into those sources.
But that, I think that was really.
That was one of the most interesting things, too, because, you know,
Linda got us access to some places.
Nice.
Where, you know, it's private property.
I mean, you just can't go there and hang out and hope to see the Beast of Bray Road.
It's really hard, actually.
If I mean, you know, I would say to anybody who's up there in extreme southern Wisconsin,
and if you have the chance to drive up and down Bray Road, by all means, do it.
But just know there's nowhere to stop.
That's what I hear.
Yeah.
It's all fields and privately owned property.
And, you know, if you know farmers, then you know they don't necessarily like people just.
No.
Roving around on there.
They have shotguns.
Yeah, exactly.
So she was able to get us into places there that warranted some further investigation and questions.
and we got to talk to people that she knows and has vetted, you know, in a sense.
So that was super interesting because I think that whole Bray Road and the dogman of Wisconsin,
there's so much going on there just from a phenomena standpoint that it's endlessly fascinating to me.
That's awesome.
And the second question, you pretty much already come.
covered. I think it's your, Andy's your son, right? Okay. Yeah. So Andy asks, is Dogman real and
where can I find him? You pretty much already covered it. If you have any follow-up, he seems to be
trolling you on this one. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. I'd say look under your bed. Maybe
there's one under there. Gotcha. Dad comes through. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, very cool.
we're actually already getting close to the end.
If no one, I would find this surprising,
but if people have never heard of you,
what is the best way that they can keep up to date
with what you're doing,
social media, plug stuff, what have you?
Sure.
Well, ultimately, I'd say small town monsters got.
com would be the place to start
because we have that's sort of a central location where you can learn about all of the films
and the podcasts are linked up there as well.
Okay.
So, you know, the back catalog to Saswat is linked up there as well as Monsteropolis,
which is an active podcast.
And, you know, Saswit was essentially 100% Bigfoot themed,
although we did veer occasionally into other topics,
but Monstropolis is very much in the coast-to-coast-a-m
or in search of type of, you know, grab bag type of thing,
just because we wanted to be able to talk about whatever we felt like on a given week.
So that's sort of the theme of Monsteropolis is essentially whatever.
The episode where you go over.
the history of Bigfoot exploitation movies in the 70s and 80s is fantastic that should be a book like
it is really really good like if you've never heard that episode go listen to it after this it's
really good oh thank you that's that's like that's in our wheelhouse for so good so I'm glad
that you like that because and also I'm seriously if you're interested in in Bigfoot cinema in
general you have to pick up David Coleman's book. I believe it's the Bigfoot filmography.
Oh yeah, yeah. I know which one you're talking about. It's so thorough as I couldn't, you know,
it's not the type of book that you necessarily pick up and read cover to cover because it's too
expansive. There's just too much information, but it's perfect for the type of research that someone
would do for an episode like that, you know. Very cool. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It wants to learn.
more about a creature from Black Lake, for example.
You just got like three or four pages on it,
which I don't think there's anywhere else you could go
would have that much information in one place.
So, yeah, so that's it.
We're also, of course, Monsteroopolis and Small Town Monsters,
both are active on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter,
all the usual suspects.
Very cool.
Very cool.
Well, thank you again for coming on.
We'll have to have you on in the future.
Maybe once you get, if you get to the point where you're going and doing the bell,
which stuff I would love to have kind of retrospective episode where you talk about
anything that happens when you're doing that.
That would be cool.
But again, thank you for coming on.
Yeah.
Yeah, thanks for having.
We'll be talking to you later.
Okay.
Cool.
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