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Episode Date: October 14, 2025

What happens when a young bowhunter is dropped off in the remote Oregon woods—only to be greeted by sweat-drenched deer and a freshly snapped fir tree? In this chilling and unforgettable episode, we sit down with Brad from Oregon, who shares a lifetime of strange and violent encounters in the forests around the McKenzie River. From glowing orbs that descend into the trees to invisible forces that freeze him in place, Brad’s stories span decades and defy explanation. You’ll hear terrifying whoops near Oakridge, a roar that left him and his friend crying with fear, and the moment a tree-shaking creature nearly changed everything. We travel from Lost Creek Campground during the Mount St. Helens eruption to the eerie powerline corridors of Diamond Peak. If you thought Bigfoot was just a shadow on a trail cam—think again. This is raw. It's real. And it might change how you see the forest forever.🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072📧 Business Inquiries:[e-mail]

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first-hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible, from backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it, so settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Brad today.

He's a listener from Oregon that reached out with some really interesting things that he's experienced over the years. Brad, I'm so glad you reached out and I'm excited to talk to you tonight. How's it going, man? Great, Jeremiah. Thanks for having me on the show. Awesome. We talked a little bit in the pre-interview and this is going to get pretty interesting. There's even some Oak Ridge, Oregon related stuff.

I'm coming up. But, Brad, I'm going to give it right over to you and we'll get right into it tonight. All right. Thank you very much, Jeremiah. I grew up in Eugene, Oregon, and I was an outdoorsy kind of kid. My grandparents lived on the McKinsey River up near the town of Vida, and I spent all my childhood free time up there roaming the woods and the creeks and the hillsides, and grandparents are a little looser, and the parents are about where the kid is.

So I had free range in the mountains. I never really thought about Sasquatch or Bigfoot at all growing up and never really had anything happened to me that would make me think that there were any Bigfoot around. But until I was about and see how old was I was probably around 14 years old, 15 years old, my grandma would drive me up these old logging roads with my bow and I would hunt these logging roads on my way and just wander my way back to her house down these logging roads. And there was a time she dropped me off and it's about a three or four mile walk back down to her house. And I was let out

of the car and the birds were chirping and the squirrels were chattering at me. And I would usually sit and wait, sit in a little burrow ditch and wait for her car until I couldn't hear her car anymore. And then I start walking down the logging road. And, um, now. really planned on shooting a deer with a bow. It was more of just me being out in the woods. But anyway, I heard her car disappear out of range, out of my hearing, and all of a sudden I just had this very strange sensation of being, it's like the forest just went silent, and I just got a really weird feeling. So I'm standing on the logging road, looking down into the ravine below me and these three deer come creeping up out of the ravine really low really a strange

movement hunkered down and almost trying to crawl and they were covered in sweat totally lathered over and their eyes were bulging out of their heads and they walked within i could have reached out and hit one with touch from my arrow they were so close and they could have cared less that i was there i thought that was really weird and so i'm looking down into the ravine where they came from and a tree like it just got cracked in half and it was pushed over

and there was no wind there was no reason for it to happen it sounded like a healthy live green fir tree just snapped in half and that was the first encounter but again in the 80s I was definitely not on my mind I just thought it was strange

and wandered on back to my grandma's house and then let's see There was another time. I'm going to back up to when I was a little younger. Before you do that, I just want to clarify something. So when you were looking down the ravine, you heard that tree get cracked in half and pushed over. Yeah, the deer had walked by me.

I couldn't figure out why they were, because I'd never seen deer behave like that. They were just, it was almost like they were creeping past me and their eyes were bulged out and they looked, If you see a horse, it's all that's been run too hard. They just have this sheen of, they look terrified. And then this tree just goes crack and goes crashing down to the ground. I mean, green, not punky, just a green, big fir tree.

It sounded like a mature tree. And it didn't freak me out, but I just was odd. And so I take it and high tail it, I just mosey back to my grandma's house. When you were out in the woods with your bow, Did you ever hear any sounds out there that didn't fit with what should be out in the wood? The only times I ever did are the stories I'm going to tell you. Other than that, never, which is strange. It never crossed my mind.

I was never, no, no signs there. Never even crossed my mind. I'll back up a little bit. I skipped this one. This happened when I was 10 years old on Lost Creek at Lost Creek Campground. It's on the west side of Mount Hood in 1980. And I know the date exactly because the day after this event happened, Mount St. Allen's erupted.

So it was May 1980, it's when this happened. And I was camping with a family friend for the weekend. And again, I completely forgot about this until I heard somebody tell a similar story. And it's funny how these things come back to you when you hear something. It just sparked this memory. And we were camping at this campground. And it was a, you pull your trailer in and it was a pretty crowded campground. And there we had a camper.

There's a tent. There's a cable set up. There was a fire pit. So it was a cramped little space. And it's night and my friend and I are sleeping in the tent and his parents are sleeping in the camper. And I'm laying there in bed. I don't know what time it was.

can between 10 and midnight, probably, because I wasn't asleep yet. When I heard what sounded like a deer bounding through the camp, bump bounding, and then it stopped right outside our tent, and we had a little cord that was a cold in the vestibule. We had it tied around a tree, and I kept hearing his stunk, it was twang in the cord, and I thought, oh, a deer must have jumped, jumped the cord or tripped into the cord or something, and then it thumped away.

But what was weird is a few minutes later, it thump came back, and it did the same thing. It was twang in the little cord that was holding the vestibule at the tent probably two or three twangings, like a guitar string. And then it thump, dump away through camp.

And that was it. So I wake up in the morning, I was like, gosh, did you guys hear that deer in camp last night? And no one, they didn't hear anything. But then I started thinking if there's no way a deer could have run through the camp because there's coolers and there's stuff everywhere. Besides, it was flicking the, it would thump, thump, fub up to the can't stop, and then the little cord would go bang, bwing, and glibrate the camp. So that happened.

It did that two times. And that was, and then the next morning, that morning, we forgot all about it because Mount St. Holland had erupted while we were having breakfast and you could hear the sonic boom and the ground shook and we all knew what it was because, you know, everyone in the Northwest was waiting for it to happen. So that sort of trumped whatever happened to me that night, which that was pretty cool. And then there was ash all over our cars the next day. It was cool. Let's see. I've got another, I'll talk a little bit more about what happened upon the McKinsey River, I grew out. So let's see, this is a weird one. So the year was, let's see, I wrote all this stuff

down. In 19, I was a junior in high school. And my grandma was a really cool old lady and all my high school friends would come up there and spend the night. She'd cook for us and we'd fish and run around the forest and play in the yard. And she had about 13 acres. And one night we were out playing a game called Kick the Can, which is like a hiding seat game where you put a can in the middle of the shield. And one person guards it. If someone gets tagged and you tick the can,

the person who you tagged was free. So we're all out. There's probably eight of us out playing this game. And I'm hiding in some ferns. And all of a sudden, a couple of the people who are in it, there are two people who are in, they're out in the field and they stop.

And they are, staring up at the mountainside that's next to the property. And pretty soon all the rest of the kids come out and they're all looking up in the sky. What the heck's going on? So I get out of my hiding spot and I joined him in the field and I look up and there are three green, blueish green, I think there were blueish green balls of light about the size of beach balls. big kind of rubber beach balls you would see at like a music festival or something. And there was, so if I'm looking straight across the property to the hillside is 12 o'clock.

There was one at about 9 o'clock that was maybe 3 or 400 yards away, not on our property, but the next piece of property above the forest there. There was one probably 10 o'clock that was right above with a side. creek runs down into our property. And then there was one at about one o'clock. And they were just green orb, beish balls just hovering in the sky. And we're all like, whoa, what's going on? What's that? We didn't know what they were. And the Rolodex starts going over in your mind. Is it a weather balloon? Is it what is it? And then it was none of that. It was just these balls of light. And at the same time, so they were just stationary in the sky above the fir trees.

And there were different elevations. So one was down an R across from us flat, probably 20 feet above the fir trees there. And the other one was another up the hillside. They were all the same distance above the fir trees, if that makes sense. And all of a sudden, at the very same time, they started descending into the trees, into the fir trees. and you could see all the boughs of the fir trees lighting up around them, and they just slowly went into the forest. At the same time, it was really weird.

And we freaked out and all went back inside and called it a night. So that was strange. So the next day, so this is at the end of September, most of the kids left that next day, and my buddy and I were going to go growl something. We stayed. So we're like, oh, let's go growl something. And so there's an old logging road straight across from my grandma's place.

And so we always hunt this logging road. And we'd hike a couple miles up. And there was this really neat kind of, we're hunting in, I'd say, it's second growth. So the trees were probably 60 or 70 years old and pretty mature forest. But there was a really cool spot that the loggers had left that they didn't cut. It was maybe eight or nine acres with really beautiful. a little old growth and so we'd go hike to that spot go leave our we'd always leave our guns

outside there we never took anything in there any guns or weapons just because it was such a it felt like a sort of a sacredy place it was really amazing so we'd go and sit and visit and then we'd hunt back down the road to my grandma's house and there was a so between this neat little old growth section and her house was a giant one of those big giant power lines that go across the state, those giant high-tension power lines, and our little service road ran under it. And we'd always, we'd go to the little old-growth spot, come down, and then turn down the little service road underneath the high-tension power lines and eat the sandwich and drink something. Because it was in the sun,

because when you're in the, on these logging roads and these big trees, it's like a tunnel, and there's no direct sunlight, so we'd always go and get a little sunshine on our faces and have a sandwich and just sit and look out across the mountains. So we've done that. We're on our way back down, and this is where it gets pretty weird. And so let me see how...

So we're walking down the road, and we're about to turn, turn right, to go down this little service road, logging road, to eat our sandwiches. And from our right side, probably 20 yards just off the edge of the logging road in the forest we hear two whoops you know whoop whoop really loud and before we can really acknowledge what we just heard we both just stop and freeze and this weight of unbelievable fear that I can't really

described came over us. It was like we walked into an invisible sort of bowl of jelly. I couldn't move. Neither could my friend. And this fear was, I can't describe the fear. It's just, unless it's happened to you, I think it's hard to explain. So the hoops happen. And then across the little service road, there's another, the forest continues. But it's, but the face of this forest is, it gets a lot of sunlight, so it was scotch broom, blackberries, so you couldn't really see into the little thicket of trees that was on the other side. And from that side, all of a sudden, and we're frozen and we can't move. And all this I hear the sound, and I've gone online and listened to certain animals,

as I've heard, people's accounts. And it sounded exactly like, if you listen to what an alligator or crocodile sounds, like they vibrate. I don't think they have vocal cords, but they make this weird vibrating noise. It sounded exactly like that at first. We're just, my eyes are bulging out of my head, and the noise is just, it's reverberating through this whole little landing that we're standing in. We can kind of, at this point, I'm sort of like, oh gosh, starting to maybe tithe it around a little bit, and I can, my senses are coming back, and we're talking back and forth, like, what the heck's going on. And as we start to talk, that sound, and it's inhaling and it's just raspy,

inhale, and just vibrating out this noise. It sounds like an alligator. And then it goes from that sound to, and again, I've listened to, I've found these sounds online. It sounded like, if you ever heard, listen to a lion where it eats, like a big male lion eating, kind of purrs and growls at the same time. So it would, inhale, you could hear it inhaling this really raspy noise, and then when it would exhale, it would make this sort of purring growl like a lion. But it was really loud, and all I could think of was, if the thing's got to be the size of a rhinoceros, whatever's in there.

And it was doing that, you would inhale and then exhale this purring strange growl. And we're starting to freak out a little bit, obviously, and we're thinking to ourselves, what in the heck. You're going, not a deer, not an elk, not a cooter, not a dare, and not a person in there trying to mess with this. But again, I'm not thinking Bigfoot at all, which is weird, because growing up in Oregon, you hear about Bigfoot, but it just wasn't entering my mind. So we're standing there, and I'd forgotten we even have guns, because we're just so scared. So as we start to shift our bodies, this is maybe a minute or two has gone by since we, we heard those initial hoops. So it's going by pretty quick and my mind's just racing, racing,

trying to figure out what's happening. If we start to talk, what are we going to do? How are we going to get, because we have to walk underneath there because the road cuts down below where this is happening in this little thicket of trees. And the trees are probably, it's a newer growth of fir trees and the trees were probably 30, 40 feet tall. But you couldn't see, like I said, you couldn't really seeing. So we're like, oh shoot, how are we going to get blowed? Get out of here. Whatever that thing is, whatever that thing is, it's mad. So as we're shifting and we're starting to talk about what we're going to do, I'm like, we each have a 12-gate shotgun. We could fire over the trees, wait for it to run off and then boogie out of there. And the minute

I started to, with my gun, to consider lifting it up and firing it, the place, erupted. It went from this weird purring growl to just this screaming roar of, I can't, again, I can't describe it. It was just blowing through our body, like blowing through our bodies. And the trees started to shake, and there was branches starting to snap. And I remember seeing two trees that were probably 35 or 40 feet tall next to each other, just shaken violently back and forth. I'm like, gosh, what in the heck can be doing that? And then they went from back and forth to front and back completely different directions at the same time, like something was grabbing them with their hands and just shaking them back and forth. So we're terrified, and we

don't know what to do. I think I'm crying at this point and just the cheer, just poof, overwhelmed. So screw it. We got to get out of here. So we both agree, we're going to shoot over this thing, over the trees, and then bolt. underneath it. Hopefully the sound of our guns will scare it off. So yeah, we fire over the tree tops and we wait a second to see if you can hear whatever's in there take off. It didn't. It just what we thought was pretty much max. It just elevated even worse and was screening and making the crazy sounds. And so we just heck with it. We got to go. So we bolted. And if you I'm hiked on logging roads, you know that the rocks, it's not small little gravel,

they're big rocks, and it's hard to keep their balance. And so I'm thinking the whole time is I'm going to wipe out, and this thing's going to jump down and grab me. I'm running as fast as I've ever ran before. My heels were hitting my butt, and I got a shotgun and hiking boots on, and we're hauling down this road. And as I'm running underneath, as we're running underneath where this thing is, I'm just thinking this thing's going to grab me. I'm dead. We're going to die. But for some reason,

it never did. But the hair on my neck, I could just feel it above me. I never saw it, but I could just tell that there was, and it was huffing. And at this point, it had stopped all the ruckus and was just up there huffing and breathing really loudly. And I could just feel, as I ran path, ran underneath this thing, feel it above me. And I just thought I was going to reach down and grab me. But in the, never did. And so booked it to my grandma's house, which we had to cross a road and down her driveway is probably 100 yards long to where her house was. And so we make it to the front yard. And she's out in the yard. She must have heard the shots. And so she's out there. What's wrong?

What's going on? I heard shots. And she's a tough old lady. And we told her what happened. And we're crying and we're freaked out. And she looked at us and says, you ran into a day. Bigfoot. We looked at each other and like, what? For some reason, it's just still not sinking in. That's what it was. And we're like, what do you mean? We ran into a Bigfoot. And she says, well, there's a pizza joint that's down the road on the highway from her house that her and her friend would go to every Friday night and have her glass of wine and eat pizza. And she was telling me that they told us that when she would go, her and her friend Ellen would go and have pizza and drink wine, the loggers would. It was the loggers hang out back in the 80s. The logging industry was a very different back then as smaller operations and families and things. It was a lot different than it is now. But that's where all the loggers would go on Friday night and hang out. She said that she'd overhear the loggers talk about things like this happening to them in the forest.

She said, I would hear story after story of these sort of things happening and hear them from these loggers who are out there doing it, logging. they're in the forest every day. That's it. And so the next day, and it didn't really affect me the way. I hear people talk about getting terrified of going back in the woods. It was like it was erased from my mind.

So the next day, I'm up there, and my friend had to leave, had to go back to Eugene. And so I stayed, and I said, Grandma, I'm going to go and back up to where that happened and look around and see what I can see

because I'm still thinking, for whatever reason, I couldn't get it into my head that it was a big foot or a Sasquatch. I'm going to go look for hoofs, track. So I'm going to go look for claw marks in the tree because that's what I thought it was for some reason. I go up there, it's not very far away. It's probably less than a quarter of a mile from her house up this road, the logging road.

So I go into this thicket where this had happened, and there's, I'm not, I need nothing about Bigfoot. tracks or what to look for in that regard. I'm just looking for hoof prints. I'm looking for scrapes from antlers, and I'm looking for claw marks. And there was none of that. But what was weird is that when I got into the thicket, because it had snapped a bunch of fur bows,

and there should have been broken boughs. You could see where they'd been broken off the trees, where this thing had snapped them fresh breaks. But there were zero. I couldn't find any fur boughs on the ground. They were gone, something that picked them up and take him away. And the ground was really beat down. It's a lot of fur needles and things where I couldn't make out any tracks.

I didn't see any obviously footprints or claw marks in the tree. So now's it. And I just forgot about it after that. That is an incredible account. Even though there wasn't a visual, that is a wild encounter. Do you think that Pizza Place is still there? I still go there, yeah Is that, uh, is that Ike's pizza?

It's Ike's pizza, yeah. All right, we can cut that out if you want. No, that's fine. Yeah, Ike's pizza for sure. Yeah, I just, I have a Google Maps up. The interesting thing I noticed is while you were telling that story, you were talking about how it was like alligators. Yeah.

The weird thing is that the thing you were, the thing you were describing, that's actually an infrasound thing. Oh, it is? If you look it up, like when the, they use those bellows? That's an infrasound. Oh, no way. Crazy.

I didn't know that. So you can buy that. It hit me. Yeah. Yeah. That's weird. Because I heard someone mention it on a, that's what it sounded like to them.

And so I went and listened to it and said, whoa, that's exactly what it sounded like. And it just, I don't know what infrasound does, but man, I was frozen. We couldn't move.

It was like I walked into, invisible force field. Exactly. And most frozen and grace. It was so weird. I didn't feel sick. I never got nauseous or anything. I just couldn't move.

And I was so scared that I was crying. And for no reason, because I don't think, I think the wave when we froze happened before I'd even heard anything. I think I was frozen in place before I even started hearing that alligator-type sound. That's wild.

That alone is enough for me to hearing that's enough that you definitely experienced some crazy stuff in the woods that day. No question. It was bizarre. Yeah, it was weird. So to end this part of the story, so I completely forgotten about this event. I was getting ready to graduate high school that next year. And after I graduated high school, I moved to Idaho and became a ski bum for about a decade and spent all that time just in the mountains of Idaho, exploring, skiing, fishing.

all times of year, all seasons, and never even thought about Sasquatch or Bigfoot. Didn't cross my mind. In my ski bum career, and the year's about, it's about 2002, and I'm going to school in Boise, at Boise State University, to get my teaching certificate. And Boise is a really cool city. There's the river runs right through town, and on the south side of the river, there's the college, and on the north side of the river, there are always really, really cool city. pretty parks and concert little concert shells and things and there's an old zoo like one of the old

school small town depressing looking zoos and so i would have to the footbridge to get that the colleges right next to the zoo so i'm i think i'm a junior or something at this point and i'm cruising on my bike and it's early in the morning and i'm riding past the zoo and i hear these hoops coming from the zoo i'm 31 years old and this happened, this event happened to me back when I was 17 years old. And I just instantly froze on my bike and stopped and was just catapulted back to that this event that I just told you about. Like instantly, I could see the color of the rocks. I could see the shadows. Every tiny detail just came flooding back into me when I heard these whoops coming from the zoo. It was really weird.

and I had to go to class, and the zoo hadn't opened yet. So I was like, I'm going. Once the zoo opens, I'm going over there and going to ask the zookeeper, what the heck makes those noises. So I do, I go, hey, I don't want to go through the zoo. I just want to know, I want to go to your primary area, and will you show me, I've heard these really loud hoops this morning. What makes those noises?

And he took me to the given cage, and he goes, those are givins, and that's what you heard in the morning. and they were making a little bit of whooping sounds, but it was identical, a little higher pitch, and obviously smaller lung capacity, but it was the exact same sound that I'd heard in the forest. It was bizarre.

It froze me on my bike. Like, I stopped. I was oblivious to whatever was going on around me. I was just transported back to that day in the forest. And up to that point, like I said, I had never even crossed my mind until my heart. heard those givens coming from the zoo. I'm so glad that you

said the little higher pitch because I personally have heard similar things and I was just thinking in my mind I was like it is very much the same but it's a little lower

and when you said a little higher pitch I was like yep absolutely 100%. But the same kind of sound just yeah just a little higher pitch but it was weird that would just that sound

catapulted me back in times and every single detail just became so vivid it was bizarre I had a terrible memory I can't remember anything I don't know what I had for dinner last night

but how in the heck that could happen and everything be so clear it was really strange that's wild I have a few questions before we leave this part did you ever ask your grandma

if she had any Bigfoot experiences when you were out there with you? You know I don't I don't remember But she never would have told me anyway. She was pretty sure she wouldn't because she wouldn't want to scare him from going back in the forest. Gotcha.

Because it didn't slumby down a bit. I just kept going back out. Yeah. So I never asked. I share with the members a little bit about upcoming episodes and they're really interested to read about what you had sent over. And some of them had some, I'm always like, hey, if you guys have questions for this interviewee, put them in the comments. So there's a few that are actually related to this part, I believe. Slea asked, have these events, have they affected your ability to be in the mountains in the woods at all?

Or did it not affect you in a way where you're like, I'm never going in the woods again? It didn't. Like I said, I forgot about it. For some reason, it never bothered. It never slowed me down a bit. Like I moved to Idaho and was, I spent, I was out in the woods all the time. No, it never did. Gotcha.

It never had a negative effect. And even now, I live back in Oregon. We're out all the time. I'm aware, and I'm very conscious of that, and I treat the forest a little differently, I think, in terms of how I approach it, you know. I have a lot more gratitude, I guess. Absolutely.

Scott had some questions that are interesting. So you alluded to how, if you grow up in the Pacific Northwest, you know about Bigfoot, right? So his question is living in the Pacific Northwest, Bigfoot seems to be part of the culture. Were you a believer before your experiences? And you had some really young age experiences. Yeah, but I never equated that to Bigfoot until I heard someone talk about it on the podcast. Then I was like, well, kind of like the bike thing at the zoo, it just triggered this event.

So someone mentioned it on their shirt on, I was like, oh, wow, that kind of happened to me. Yeah, I had a hunch. It was real. You know, I'd seen the Roger Patterson film, and I think at that point, though, when I was a kid, I felt like there was one of them, and that's where they lived down in California. And we joked. We get a lot of camping, and we were always joking about it, but I don't think anybody took it serious for some, at least that the people I knew, and the circle of friends I hung out with. Up until, obviously, at that point. Yeah.

But you hear about it, but it just was never, I don't know if we wanted it to be true, because it would keep. from going out. Maybe we just tuned it out. We camped in places where I hear about a count, the coast range out all over the place. And aside from these few events that I've had happen to me, for the amount of time I spent out there, these are very few. There was also an interesting part where you were sharing about the lights coming down into the trees. And you saw those large lights. So the right, yeah, that was really weird. There were three of them. And there was one that came down to our, I guess that would be to the east, but it was maybe at the edge of our property or maybe just past the edge of our property. We had about 13 acres. And it just into the forest. And then there was one that there's a creek

that runs through our property. And it comes down the mountain across the road. And one of the lights went down and on the left side, the east side of the drainage. And the other one came down basically right on top of where this encounter happened. Oh, really? The next day. Yeah. So this the third light was the light came down into basically that because it was i google earth the distance and it was 520 yards away as a crowbar and it was basically just right on top before it had happened and i never crossed my mind until i never connected the two until i started hearing accounts with lights and the sand and the saskatch being related and i don't know whether or not this but i never saw those lights, and I never really had a mechanic like that.

So are they connected? I don't know. That's pretty close to what I think he was getting at. Scott was getting out with his question. Perhaps relation to lights, would it seem that he may believe that there are paranormal ties or just a coincidence or just a lot of questions? Yeah, I don't know. I don't like the word paranormal. I just think it's nature that we don't know about.

I love it, yeah. I think it's beyond, I think it just has been happening. I don't know if these two are connected, but it just seemed weird that the light literally went into the forest where this occurred. And again, I never made that connection until I started listening to podcasts. Even that day, what is happening. I'm like, oh, the light came down, and now there's something in there. It was the start of the sting from my mind, which is bizarre now that I think back. And what are the chances that you have this light coming?

down almost in the same area where you had this encounter and it's like that man it's got to be connected somehow but yeah we just don't know knowledge yeah and not now having heard enough people being interviewed who have had similar things happen yet if people are so afraid they're just say you could duh i think it's probably connected how could it not because i've never seen lights before that and i never had an encounter quite in that spot it was just too too much for coincidence Any UFO activity ever in this area? Not in that area, huh? That's pretty fantastic.

Feel free to continue. I think we have a few other things to discuss as well. Yeah, I've got a couple more, and these are not related to this property on the McKinsey. These are more along the Willamette Pass area, which is from Eugene itself. So you go through Oak Ridge, and you'll end up at Crater Lake. And if you keep going south, you'll end up in Clameth Falls. But when I wasn't up at the McKinsey, at my grandma's place, I was out. My dad loved to flyfish, and he got me into fly fishing when I was really young.

And we would, he had a spot up right in the town of Oak Ridge where there's an old, I don't know what's there now, but there was a rock quarry in town. And the river, the Willamette River flowed through the bottom of town. And we would fish this rock quarry. And it was really excellent trout fishing. And I was with my dad, I was probably 12 or 13 years old. And we were up fishing the rock quarry. And we'd caught some fish.

And there was a little isolated pool of water up against the hillside that the fish couldn't get out of. So I didn't keep fish or we didn't eat and we'd let them go. We'd catch and release them. But I was young. So I put him in this little pool of water. and just watched them swim around. I was going to let them go eventually. And my dad said, hey, let's go up and around the corner and fish this riffle.

And I'm like, all right, so we leave the fish. There's probably four or five fish, rainbow trout in this pool. It's probably the size of a little plastic kitty pool. But there's no way in or out. There's no way for the fish to get out. And it was in the shade. I made sure they were in the shade. I made sure they were in the shade.

The little forest came down, and so the fish had some shade, and I was going to let them go when we got back. So we go, we fish, and we come back, and the fish are just completely gone. There's no sign that a bird had come and plucked them or anything. It was just really strange. One minute, this little pools full of fish,

and the next minute they're gone. I don't know if that has anything to do with Bigfoot, but it was really weird. And it was up against the hillside. And it was just an odd to come back. We both looked at each and where'd they go? There were no ravens around. There were no, I don't know what could have came and took that many fish.

So that's an interesting side note. And then I have one more. And this happened at Murray Lake in 1987. I was a senior in high school. And there were five of us. and we're going to go, three of us, we're going to hike, we're going to camp at Murray Lake, and three of us, we're going to hike the south side of Diamond Peak and ski the snowfields up there and come back and camp, and camp, and camp, and fish.

We leave the trailhead, and we're hiking to the lake, and we get maybe a mile and a half, two miles into the hike, and we come to a, so this is all pine trees and it's high-desertie mountains. It's not rush like it is. on the McKinsey where there's ferns and big fir trees and sculpt. It's a bit different ecosystem. So we're hiking through these dry pine, this little dry pine forest, and we dip down into this basin that's maybe four or five, three or four acres.

Then it's just, and it turns into a totally different play ecosystem. There's ferns, there's cedar trees. It's really beautiful. There's a little bog, like a, fresh water bob type spring coming out of the ground. It's beautiful. And as we're, there's five of us and we're walking in and we're all thinking the same thing,

oh, wow, we're going to explore this. This is real pretty. And the minute we all got to this, the crown of this little, the trail where we were going to drop down into this area, this smell just swapped in on us. Like, I don't know, like really dead. to dead, like skunk cabbage times 10 with, I don't know how to explain, just awful smell came out of nowhere and we instantly all decided we're just going, let's just keep going

and keep walking. Just to not, for us not to explore something that cool at that age, you know, as a kid, it was bizarre that we all chose to keep going and then the smell just instantly vanished as we left that spot. So we get to this lake and we're we say nothing happens there's we just camp everything's normal so next morning two of my buddies and i hike diamond peak and we can go and we're skiing and we make it back to camp and there's a note on they tacked up and left the other two guys split they were going to fish while we ski and we got back to camp and they'd left and there was a note saying mosquitoes were too thick so we left see you back in town.

But the mosquitoes weren't that bad. It was weird. It's not like to peel out of here, especially during the day when the bugs. There's not real buggy during the day. So we, like, oh, whatever. So we camp and nothing real nothing happens. And we get back to town the next day.

And when we run into our buddies, they're like, hey, it wasn't that buggy. How can, why did you guys leave? And it took him a second. And they looked at each other funny and said, The truth is, when we were fishing, we kept hearing noises coming out of the forest. We kept hearing sticks breaking and we kept hearing strange grunting noises and we played it off as a bear at first and thought nothing of it.

I thought we'll just go around the other side of lake and fish. But they said it followed them around the lake. They could hear it pacing him in the forest and was making these weird noises at them and that's all I got from them. So we got back to camp and just felt really uneasy and decide we'd tell you that it was too buggy and we split. We got out of there. We were scared. And that's that story.

What year was that around? That was 19. Here I wrote it down, the Diamond Peak, 1987. Okay. Interesting. There is a report on the BFRO from Diamond Peak Wilderness area where three hunters were out. there they hear a very loud scream 30 to 45 seconds there are reported things from that area at least one report that's public but that whole area from what it sounds

like is there's activity all over the place yeah it's it is it is very the problem what's happened in the last handful of years is forest fires have ravaged some of these places this where I'm telling you about what this place on the McKinsey to maybe in 2020, it got, that whole valley got wiped out by forest fire. The hillside that all these things happened to me on, it's gone now. It's burnt. Oh, wow. It's depressing.

It's really sad. So, yeah, I don't know. It's coming back a little bit. There's some greenery growing, but the big fur, I don't know how long it's going to be until the fir trees come back. There's some maples growing and things like that and some ferns that got cooked pretty good. I think that's about all they got. Oh, there's a couple other things if you want to hear about. This happened in 2017 or 2018, I think.

Somewhere in there, like I said, I lived in Idaho. I moved to Idaho in 1989 and came back in 2012. And we moved back to central Oregon, but we still have the property on the McKinsey. I still have it today. I spent a lot of time over there. So in 2017 or 18, it was Thanksgiving, around Thanksgiving, and I was out, and this happened a couple nights in a row. It was really bizarre.

I'm out in the yard. It gets dark real early, so maybe five or six in the evening, but it's pretty, it's dark, and it's pouring down rain. It rains a lot over there, and I don't know what I'm outside doing, using to go into the bathroom or something and I hear what sounds like up and it's like I had said there's a creek that runs through our property and it drains out on this hillside across the road and I heard what sounded like the truck brakes screeching down like the like they sound like they're wet and screeching down a road just this weird metallic grindy sound coming from where there was no roads at all or it was just a ravine with a creek in it and it was really loud and freaky it was just like what in the heck but it sounded just like metal on metal brakes and i heard it maybe two or three nights in a row and then on that same time for any maybe a day or two later my neighbor comes over and he's maybe a couple of hundred yards down river from me and he's like man i was in my house and i started hearing these owls coming from your property like huge owls giant owls coming from your property so i went outside and i was listening and i could hear them they sounded like owls but they was like they're huge and

the way too they sounded like owls but they didn't sound like owls and they were huge and i kept so i started walking towards your property and that sound kept going on but it kept moving away so the closer i'd get the further they would move off until it sounded like they were in the forest on the east side of your house, and it just vanished. The noise stopped, which again, at that time, I had not ever heard of Bigfoot podcast, and I just thought that was weird.

Same with the brakes-reaching thing, but now, knowing what I know because of not being listened to these podcasts, it's like, huh, you hear about owls and you hear about these weird sounds. I thought I'd add that to some of the things that have experienced. That's probably some of the weirdest things. And this is back in 2017, you said? Yeah, 17 or 18. I can't remember it in November.

So you still own that property? Oh, yeah. I'm there all the time. Oh, okay. I'm a school teacher, so I spend my whole summer over there. Nice. Anything weird sound like that? Sound-wise happened lately, or just the last time was back in 17 or 18?

That was it, yeah. And then, like I said, in 2020, the fires put through there and took everything out. But I did set up a game cam before, and I wouldn't get anything. I got cougars and bears and deer and turkeys, but that was there. But yeah, it sounded like breaks screeching down, coming down the creek bed, basically, when there was no road. It was bizarre. And then I had never heard the owls, but my neighbor said it, freaked them out. He said, you could hear him over his TV, 100 yards down river.

for me so he's an older city guy so he didn't know what to make of it i definitely feel like there's some sort of mimicry that's involved you hear things like what you mentioned you also hear things like car doors slamming where there's no cars or rusty gates is one that's just it's very strange yeah the rusty metal that's what it sounded like rusty metal and it's bizarre and it was it was a loud. It was just right across the road for me up on the phone. And then there are a couple logging roads up there, but this was nowhere near one of the roads. It was just coming out of the forest, which knows. You've definitely had some really interesting things happen over your life so far. And thank you so much for sharing with myself and the listeners. And it's amazing you

still have that property area up there. Anything else happens. Definitely. feel free to reach out. I will indeed. Yeah, thank you for having me on the show. I appreciate your time, and I love listening to your podcast. Do you think you might make it down to Oak Ridge

this summer coming up? I'll have to look at my schedule. Yeah, I'd like to. I've never been to one of these before, and my 12-year-old son is heavy into the whole Sasquatch thing, so I might bring him over and check it out, maybe camp or something.

It's going to be a hop-in time. If he's in the Bigfoot, there's going to be people there that it's the time that they're in Oregon. They probably won't be there again. But, man. I know. We make it over to Cliff's museum once a year, a little pilgrimage. So we'll go and get a little place in the forest and go squatch in and go talk to Cliff a little bit. So that's pretty fun.

How cool is that, man. Yeah. Those flops I heard, and he's got that giant Sasquatch in his museum. Yep. And he's got it hooked up, some sound hooked up to. And that's what those whoops sound exactly like what he's got going on. Murphy and Sasquatch. Love it.

Yeah. I got to get over there myself one day for sure. But it's cool. Yeah, he keeps adding to it. So I'll keep going back. Absolutely. Brad, thank you so much for hanging out. And I hope to maybe hear from you again someday in the future.

NBA, Jeremiah. Thank you so much. Hello? Hi, this is Jeremiah. Hey, Jeremiah, how you doing? I'm doing great. You had called earlier, right, sir? Yes, sir. I left the message. Perfect, perfect. And I assume since you have the phone number, you'd done the form at an earlier time?

Yes, sir. And what's your name, sir? My name is Mark. Awesome. Well, Mark, I was... You need my last name? No, no, we'll just keep it at Mark, but I appreciate that. So I was skimming through your...

skimming through your voicemail, and it's very interesting. And I'm going to go ahead and give the reins over to you, Mark, and feel free to share what we've got going on. All I ask is that we keep the calls as clean language as we can, since it is live. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I do that. Yeah. No problem there at all.

Okay. Go right ahead, sir. All right. Yeah. My name is Mark, and I'm from Oregon, Florence, Oregon. And I've been in Oregon now for 12 years, and I'm originally from Ohio. Matter of fact, right down in St. Israel, Ohio, where Saw Fork is, State Park, where the grassman is, had an encounter there. I didn't really see him there, but I knew he was there.

And I, me and my girlfriend went camping and it was in the end of October. And in October, we have Indian summer there. And it was a very nice weekend. So we decided we'd stay over one more night. Well, everybody left. It was a Sunday and everybody left. I mean, there was not one person in this whole park except me and her. Well, we, I'll make it real quick.

we went down to take a shower and when we pulled in it didn't feel right it something was just not right so she got out of the vehicle when she went in she was taking her shower and you can hear her in there

singing you know and I thought well it's just me it's my imagination and so I said hmm All right. Well, I went in and take my shower and there's windows up. And there are like seven, eight foot up, these line of windows. And I just, I don't know, it just felt like something was watching me the whole time. I just could not shake this feeling. I mean, it was kind of scary. And so I went back out and walked the whole perimeter of it and just looked

around to see if somebody was there, you know. It was weird. So I had my dog with me. He was a wolf hybrid and named Dakota. And he was the, this dog was the best dog. I just can't tell you. I mean, man's companion. Well, anyway, I got him out of the truck and I took him into the restroom with me because, I mean, I just couldn't get to see. off of me. So I brought him in the bathroom and I said, now you just lay down there. Well, he couldn't get comfortable. He was just looking around and I could tell something was bothered to stall. So I got the shower and I'll tell you how bad it was. I didn't even close the curtain in the shower when I was taking my shower. You know, I was that, it was that bad. It was that intense. So I got done. You know, you know, I got done. You know, you know, it was. It was that bad. It was that intense. So I got done. You know. You know. know, I take the dog out, you know, and I throw him back up in the truck, and I'm sitting there waiting on my girlfriend to get done in the shower, you know, and out she comes out of the shower, you know,

and I wasn't going to see anything church, because I didn't want her to be scared, you know. And, you know, I just, I was like, no, I'm not going to say a word. I'm just going to just go back to camp, you know, it's all in my head. You know, that's what I kept saying to myself. It's on your head, Mark, it's on your head. So we go back and we make our dinner and, you know, sat around the campfire for a little bit, drank a couple drinks and, you know, said, okay. Well, we had an old Coleman tent.

I don't know if you'll remember them, but they were round, and they had the pool that went up in the center. And it's about, oh, seven foot tall, maybe a little bit taller than that. I could stand up in it, you know, no problem, loop my arms around, you know. I mean, it's really tall. So I got everything in the tent, you know. I packed up all the food up in the truck and, you know, went in the tent, they did. And I had my pistol with me.

I always take it because of bears and, you know, whatever varmets. Or you don't know, you know, anymore about people. So I put the gun down next to me. Well, I had to call my lantern next to me. it was right next to the edge of the tent so I shut it off you know while we're laying there and I hear something walking up this hill it was a big hill too went right down to the lake and I'm like well that's a person walking and my girlfriend's like no it's a deer

no that's something walking up this hill coming toward us well it got closer and closer and closer and my dog was just his hair was up on the back you know I'm just standing right up

on the back with neck and I'm like there's something out there but I told him you lay down you know just chill out lay down right there well you know we're

laying there for a minute and all of a sudden you can hear it come up to the top we're our tent was right next to it and you can hear it breathe I mean exhale and you could tell whatever it was it was huge okay and I'm like sh be quiet and she was my girlfriend was almost in tears she was so scared you know and I said she just cool you know well next thing we know something had grabbed the center of that tent and that tent seven

foot seven and a half foot tall grabbed the center of that tent and shook it just shook it and I swear to know it only lasted maybe oh 20 seconds but it felt like two hours and the

Coleman lantern hit me in the side of the head it was hot still you know I just shut it off so I grabbed my pistol and I said I got a pistol you know go away I'll shoot you because I didn't know if it was a person, I didn't know what it was, but I know it was big, whatever it was, right? So it started slapping the side of the tent.

And by this time, my girlfriend's in tears just going hysterical. The dog's going crazy. I mean, it was just like, oh, what am I going to do here? So I said, I got to do something. I reached down to grab the zipper of that tent. And you know how it's always got that little part in it? it, the nylon that locks into the zipper. Oh, I was doing everything I could to unlock that zipper should raise up and open up so I could get out. So by this time, I'm hearing it going back down the hill, okay? And I told it, unzipped this tent and do it.

I was just going to rip it open. I didn't care at that point because I was so scared. I mean, I would shot it right there on a spot, you know, if I could have got out. Well, pretty soon, she got it done zip. I jump out and I'm hearing it going down the side of the hill. And the dog takes off after it. And I hear it yelp. My dog yelp.

Well, here he comes running back. And he dives into this tent. And it's like, wow, what is wrong with you? This thought was not afraid of nothing. This thought would take on a mountain lion and not even think nothing about it. He was just protected. I mean, he's a wolf.

Well, so I said, well, what was that? You know, what was that? Well, I'd jump out. I'm looking for tracks, you know, and stuff. We never could ever find out what it was, it was dry. It was so dry out.

It wasn't going to leave a track, you know. It was so dry. And so that was my first encounter with a big foot, okay? The grass man, they said, because I talked to Ranger. When Ranger came around to collect the dudes for the campsite, I said, I think we had an encounter. He's like, well, you know, we have a lot of encounters here, and I was telling him about it, you know.

He's like, well, we're really. I really do believe you really did. And my girlfriend said, we're packing up now. Let's leave right now. And she would not stay there again. We packed all of stuff up and went home. Well, we moved to Oregon about three months later. And there was no jobs here at the time.

I mean, the market for jobs was really bad at the time. and I said, well, what am I going to do to make money here, extra money or something, you know, because I'm retired from Honda, Motor Corporation. I was an automotive engineer there. And I said, so what am I going to do? And some guys said, oh, dude, go collect Shantrell. And they pay, you know, good money. Well, I've always collected morel mushrooms in Ohio my whole life, you know, and all kinds of mushrooms.

But I didn't know what a Shantrtle was. So they had to show me. Well, I got a crew together of nine Mexican women that works for this lady. And she said, oh, these are great pictures. Take them out, you know. Take them out. I got them to them. They're great workers.

So we went out mushroom hunting and we'd go on all the back roads, all of them. And we did very, very, very well. We had a crew of mine, you know, them and me, 10 feet. people and we did very well commercially thick in these well one day we were over by alpine Monroe area and in Oregon and was up on the hill and they were the women were all down below the hill down because we found a large chant all the side of this hill And they were just having them last picking these things, laughing and having a good time. Next thing I know, I was up on the top of the hill because I wanted to see what was on the other side.

And there was a clearing, you know, like, oh, where the trees ended? You know, and then they had logged this part in their trees up here. Well, pretty soon, there was a roar. And I'm not kidding. this roar was like nothing I've ever, ever heard in my whole entire life. It shook me up a minute. And I was like, what is that? And next thing I know, this thing was coming through the trees.

I mean, it was big, whatever it was. And I thought, what is that? I didn't have any idea. You know, I'm from Ohio, you know, we, we, gonna have nothing like that there you know what we do we have the grass man but anyway um this thing was coming up through the trees like king Kong i swear to god that's that's exactly what it reminded me of it was just knocking limbs down breaking limbs breaking tree you know just coming up this out of the clearing next thing i know there there he was right

there. I mean, he was probably probably 30 yards from me, if that much. And all I had on me was a Glock 9 millimeter, you know, and I knew this was not going to do anything to this. This thing was huge. It was probably a good 8 foot. I mean, I've never seen no man

never built like this in my whole entire life. His chest was huge, probably a good, I swear him he had to be at least four foot wide. I mean, just huge. I've never seen anything like this in my life. And my mind is like, it's like telling me this don't exist. This don't exist. This is a figment of your imagination, Mark. I mean, I just couldn't get it in my head.

I was looking at. Well, these ladies down below that were picking the mushrooms. They all were like real quiet pointing at it. They had their telephones. They were taking pictures of their telephones. And, I mean, they were like

flipping out. Well, he's looking right at me. It never took his eyes off of me. And I'm staring back at him like, what is going on here? What are you going to do? You know, or are you going to come?

at me. I had no idea. I couldn't, my brain just would not, would not function. It would, number one, Tedos, God Truth,

I, I peed my pants. I was that scared. I didn't know what to do. I mean, the van's way down at the bottom the hill where they were, so I'm screaming at them.

Get in the van. Get in the van right now. Well, my dog, was in the van because we were having problems with deer and elk and he'd take off running after deer and elk and I got tired of that. Now you're in the van until you can act right, you know? Well, he's raising holy cane.

He has holy cane in his van. And I told him, don't let that dog out. Do not let that dog out. Well, this thing just started looking at me. Then it started coming at me. And it was like, now what am I going to do? He's going to kill me. I'm going to get killed right here.

You know, what am I going to do? Well, I took my gun and, I mean, I shot it right over its head. Get right over its head. I mean, that's all I could do was hopefully get a shot that would have wound it or hurt it. Because he was going to kill me. I know he was going to hurt me bad if he'd. got me. Well, he reared back when I shot that gun and his teeth. I mean, the look he gave me was, dude, if I get a hold of you, I'm going to hurt you bad. Okay. He was not afraid, but he was

afraid of that gun. So he must have hurt it once before. So he had to have heard a gun once before because he reared back, okay? Next thing I know, he's turning around, but he's keeping his eyes on me as he's walking back up into those trees, right? So I said, okay, now I don't want to run because I don't want him to chase, you know, a predator chases you.

That's exactly what he was as far as I was concerned with a predator. He was a wild animal. He wasn't a human. I mean, he looked human in ways like the face I mean he was

like a brown or like a brown black you know he was so brown he was black and he had the hair on like four inch hair all over his body

except for his face and his eyes I'll never forget his eyes as long as I live but I still have nightmares over it they were like piercing me they were like

going right through me I mean, I've never seen eyes like that in my whole entire life. Never, never, never, don't ever want to again either. Okay? And I'm thinking, you know, I always wanted to see Bigfoot, but I didn't want to see it like this. You know, I didn't know it would be an aggressive thing. I thought it'd be like, you know, when you see, you hear people talk, oh, yeah, you cross the road right in front of me, you know? Just like, yeah, he's probably waving at you as he's doing.

and it's quite a friendly guy, you know, just wants to be left alone. Okay. And not this one, huh? No, no, no, no. Mark, can we ask some questions about what you saw? Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. Yes.

So there's some really interesting comments coming in. So you were able to see the teeth. Were they, like, canine teeth or all flat, like chicklet gum? They were like blocked teeth. Like a block teeth. You like a, uh, uh, a hell. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, exactly.

They were square, block. Yep, that's your great question. But let me say, he showed me, you showed me every one of them. Okay. Okay. I mean, I grew up in the woods. I've been in the woods my whole entire life. When I was a kid, you know, summer June, June 1st would be there.

And I wouldn't see my parents again until August. Absolutely. Okay. I mean I hunted I think I did everything in woods okay

my whole life I've been like that and you know I've never seen anything like this what is this thing and then it dawned on me this is what they call Bigfoot

Absolutely Okay Well these ladies These ladies in the van were so scared I mean they were screaming And stuff And I had them screaming

I had the dog going off down there. I have him growling and screaming at me like he wants to kill me. Okay. After he comes through the woods like Ting Kong, okay? I mean, I was scared. I'm not telling, I won't lie to you.

I'm not, I was petrified. Okay, I'm thinking, why I got to save them? Okay, I got to save myself. But I'd much rather he got me than all nine of them, because he gets me, the keys are in the ignition. They will leave.

Okay. All right. Sure. Well, so when he left, you can hear him just raising cane going back to the trees, right? Well, somebody let the dog out. Okay? I couldn't say grab the dog, but the dog's chasing this thing down the trees. And I'm hearing, holy cane going on with this dog and him is at it.

Okay? And I'm thinking, oh, my God, he's going to kill my dog. You're going to kill my dog. Next thing I know, all I heard was a yelp and they heard nothing else. Oh, no. Okay. Yeah, dead quiet. Dead quiet.

Well, you know, I couldn't leave these women down in the van. So I, but I knew the dog would come out eventually, you know, if, you know, if he did kill him, he was coming out. So I went down to the van, and I told him. Look, I want you to go find a park ranger, a police officer, or a somebody. And I want them up here. Okay, my dog's gone now. And I got to find my dog. And they were like, oh, we're so scared.

We're scared. We're scared. I said, take the man and find somebody. Okay. Well, I mean, I had my cell phone, but there was no service where we was at. I mean, we was in the middle of nowhere. Right. So, uh, I said, just.

go to the Rangest station and get somebody or find a police station and do to Monroe they have a substation there you know well uh they went in about and I stood there for men thinking oh I got to find my dog he's a dog he's not out yet you know so I took off to find him and I went in about 50 yards and I was still crying this day because This dog was the best dog I ever had my life. Here's my dog. He's hanging from limb. About 12 foot up.

Okay? Dead. And I was like, you know, you have to be a pretty strong thing, human, animal, whatever you want to call this thing. Throw that dog. He weighed 126 pounds. up 12 feet into a tree. Okay?

And then I look around and you know the rim for like a semi that they used for the fire pit. There was two of them up there. You know, you know how heavy those are? I'm looking at those going, what the heck? And it was like a picnic pavilion type thing that was. up there for, I guess, somebody built it for their family, and they part camp there a lot.

They used it, you know, when they went camping there, you know? This thing was demolished. It was tore up. And there's these two fire rings in this tree. They're about 10 foot up there, and there's my dog. So, about all, probably a half hour later, here they come, and they've got a,

a park ranger, a ranger, you know, a DNR guy and I said Sir, can you come here? I got, I'm going to share you.

I'll tell you the story. And, you know, you know what he tells me? This is what he tells me. Please don't tell me you saw a big foot cousin you do. He said,

I don't know if this is fact or not, but he said, if you do, then I'm going to have to take your driver's license. What? Now, yeah.

Yeah, I'm going to take your driver's license because you're not sensible. You're not thinking correctly. I said, what are you talking about, my driver's license? Yeah, I don't know if it's true or it's not. I've tried to find out from every state highway patrolman I can talk to about it and stuff. They said they can take your driver's license. If you report, you saw a big foot while you're driving a vehicle. the keys are in ignition, then there's something wrong with you.

Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what he said. I said, wait a minute, look at my dog. My dog's 12 feet in here, and I've measured it. My dog's 12 feet in your air, a 126-pound dog. How'd my dog get up there? It had to be a mountain lion, and he drugged him up there. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Ask them, no, no, no, no, no, no, ask them, they got kids. on their telephones ask them he said look I'm not here to discuss this with you anymore now what is it you saw and he made me appear like I was a liar like I was nuts oh I took offense to that and he's like sir now settle down or we can go downtown and talk about it he did not care one bit he didn't tear one bit he didn't care what I saw. He did not care about it. I think that's the

way he played. Okay? Well, pretty soon, here comes two more. And I said, well, can't you just go up there and investigate it and see what knocked out? Lens were broke everywhere. This pavilion's all busted up. You got tire rims,

semi-tire rims in a tree 10 foot up that weigh probably 155, 160 pounds, you know? It's like, wait a minute. Okay, how did those get up there? Kids, kids, kids, they just, they just, vandalism. They just destroy everything.

I could not believe what I was hearing. I was so mad. I was so, I was like, you're not going to take any kind of report. Oh, I'll take a report, and then I'll take your license. Ah, what? What? You know, I think he cared about was how many mushrooms did we pick and did I have a commercial permit? Right.

That's what he asked me. He did not care about my dog. He did not care about our well-being. He did not care what we saw. He did not care about anything. But yet, he would not go any farther into the woods by himself. Okay? I said, go ahead.

Go down there and investigate that. Do your investigation. Because I'm telling you what I saw, don't stand here. Look, I have an automotive engineer. I am highly educated. I didn't believe in it either. If you would have told me, you know, five years before that, I was going to see Bigfoot, I'd be like, yeah, sure I will.

Okay, yeah, sure, sure. You know, let me tell you, it exists. I don't care what anybody ever says to me about it. I know what I saw, okay? So there is no argument of they don't exist. Well, you better come up a little bit more of an argument than that, okay? Because, because if you would have been there that day, you'd be the same way I am now.

And, you know, that's, that's been, what, 12 years ago. And you know, I haven't been in the woods one day since. Wow. Don't care to. don't care to ever go back in the woods none none and I live in Scottsburgh

Oregon now and which surrounded my mountains in woods okay but I won't go into the woods I'll stay okay no way no way at all okay because

I know what's out there there. I know what's out there. I've seen it. Now, I believe they're migratory. You know, they follow like where their food sources is, you know. They go from north to south, you know, the salmon, the berries, you know, whatever, the deer, the elk. You know, I believe they're migratory. And I do believe that they do, they do go underground where there's lava tubes and stuff. I do believe that. Okay. But how he just disappears with how I don't understand.

He was, I heard him to kill my dog. And then it was dead silent. Like, like it just disappeared. Like he was in, you know what I'm saying? I have so many questions that I'd like somebody to answer that they can't. Absolutely. I would be the same way, Mark. Yeah.

I'm sorry you lost your dog. Yeah, you know, he said a good dog, too. You know, he would have died for me, and he did die for me. He died protected us. Okay, well, you know what? Not one of them nine women ever went back in the woods again. None of them. As a matter of fact, a lot of them went back to Mexico.

Because this lady's asking the lady that hired them, she's like, what did you do to them? I can't get him to work. Well, yeah, you won't. I'm not working for you anymore. I'm not working in the woods anymore. I don't do that anymore. Sorry. No, I used to love to camp.

I used to love to go out and fish. You know, I'd be at Spirit Lake out there in the middle of nowhere, you know. I'd be, you know, I'd go where no man would go, you know, but not anymore. Mark, sorry, is that Spirit Lake by Oak Ridge? Yes. Yes. Okay. I used to love to go there.

I used to love to go there. Okay, so I have questions, Mark. We're going to put a pin in that first. Did the ladies, did you ever see the photos that they took? Yes. Yes. They were way down the bottom of the hill, but you can see it. I mean, it looks like it just a big gorilla is what it appears.

It had the cone head, you know, like an acorn head. No neck that I saw. I mean, there was hardly any neck, okay? The arms were like down past his knees. That's what really got me, like, how awkward he looked. But he was, I mean, he moved by nothing I'd ever seen moved. fast. He was quick. And I mean,

I think if he really wanted to, he could have gotten me really quick if you wouldn't have been afraid of that gun. But I know he's hurt a gun because just the way he reacted when I shot it. Okay? And I knew I only had you know, the only way I was going

to hurt him was a head shot basically and that's where I was hidden. I mean, I'm sorry. I don't want to see him die. I don't think nothing like that should die. I think something like that should be studied. You know, it's a bear. When did it, or did you know, Cody asked.

That's about what it looked like. Mark, did you happen to get the photo, any of the photos from those ladies? I got, I got some on my SIM card on my telephone. But, but, okay, how do I put it? Okay. Okay, the phone died. Okay. The phone died.

Okay. Well, the battery just went to boot. Well, the SIM card's there, but somebody said, if you don't do it right, you're going to erase everything on that SIM card. I got the phone, and I want it professionally done, okay? And I just haven't had it done. But I want it professionally done when it's done, because you might only get one shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I tried to download it on a computer once, and it acted like it was going to erase everything, and I know I janked it no.

So that's why I want it professionally done, and I swear when I get it done, it's going to be soon. Because I want questions answered. I want somebody to tell me, where did this come from? Did we create this? You know, is this a man-made thing, or is this from a thousand years ago that it's a, involved and still around or because it did it look like a caveman gorilla. Does that make sense? No, it totally does it.

I hope that you are able to get the photos off of those, that SIM card. And definitely I would love it if you keep me in the loop with what happens with that, Mark. Are you going to the Bigfoot thing over in Oakridge, right? I'll be there in Oak Ridge. I'm going to look you up. If you don't mind, it's okay if I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, okay, that's, when is that?

That is July, I want to say July 19th coming up is when it starts. Okay, you know what? Then I'm going to make, I'm going to put big effort into getting this thing developed. Please. And you're the only one I want to see, see, you're the only one I want to look at because, you know, I want you to tell me what you see. Okay. Okay.

You tell me what you see. Yes, sir. When I look at it, I know what it was because, you know, so my opinion means nothing, you know, it's worth, because I know what it was. But I want somebody that don't have no idea about nothing to look at that picture and tell me what it is. Okay. And I'm going to get it professionally done, trust me. Absolutely. Like try to get maybe printed out try to get the digital version, but I wanted to talk to you about Spirit Lake because Spirit Lake I've talked to a gentleman about and they had some really intense Bigfoot sightings at that lake, which is pretty remote out there by Oak Ridge and McCready Springs.

I had two buddies that went up there and had the same thing. Okay, but I used to go up there all the time. I had a problem with bears, but I never had a problem with Bigfoot or anything, but I had two buddies that went up there that they were literally scared out. They never saw anything. They just heard. Really? Yeah, like it was, like it was, you know, like, oh, what's the word?

Oh, what's the word? Like, oh, what's the word? Like, trying to get them, like trapping them. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And they're going to be with me at the Bigfoot thing. I'll have them tell you their little story. Yeah, they will, they will.

This one will scare you. Oh, too. This will scare you. This is going to be the best. This is going to be intense. Oh, I'm telling you, everything I'm telling you now is honest to God, truth. I have no reason to lie. Why would I lie?

Oh, I know, Mark. I know. You are dead on. I mean, to hear somebody tell you this, yeah, you know, if somebody told me this, I'd be like, yeah, dude, you better go take a nap, okay? But what I'm telling you, every bit of it is the gospel truth. Every bit of it.

And, I mean, I'll tell you the same story. You asked me next week to tell them, And I'll tell you the exact same story. And it's not because I rehearse nothing. It's because it's all going through my brain. I mean, there are tons I miss telling you, too, you know? Well, we'll talk about that. Oh, buddy, I can't wait.

I'm so glad. I am so glad that I met you. I am so glad because, I'll tell you, I just want my government to answer my questions. And, you know, what I'd really like is, is if there's been a big foot sighted there, you know, wherever, just put up a sign that says, look, we're going to be a big foot sided here. So if you've got children, we're going to give you the option. You don't have to stay here.

You go down the road where it's not been sighted. Okay? Absolutely. But they need to put something up. I don't care what it is. Okay? I mean, they said, oh, they can't say it exists to it'll ruin the timber industry. No, it won't.

I have to go to ruin the timber industry. This thing migrates. It's not like it lives in one spot like the spotted owl does. Okay? I mean, a spot out lives in one area its whole life. A big foot don't. I mean, I guess there are some that do, you know, where they have the resources to live year-round.

But I think three-quarter, I'd pass the nine-tenths of migrate. Okay. And they got little clans. Okay. I mean, that's why they don't find a body because I guarantee you, somebody shoots one. You better be prepared to take on about eight or ten of them because they're coming. Absolutely. Okay.

Absolutely. Okay. They're coming. Oh, yeah. Okay. That's why when one dies, its body is taken away. It's buried or it's in a lot of tube or it's someplace. And one day, somebody's going to start finding it.

where they hid these things. Okay? We don't know why they bend sticks and have these, uh, tree things in the, croppings out in the middle of the woods. We don't know that. Maybe that's their burial site. We don't know that. We have no clue.

Nobody knows nothing about them because we don't take the time to study that. Okay? We don't care. It's like, I care. I want to know. Okay, why did he bend that branch like that? You know, why? Is that a direction?

Is he want to go that way, or is he telling another big footstack? Go that way? I don't know, you know. I want to know. And I don't know. I read every book I can't, you know, but nobody ever has all the answers. It's all guess. You know, I don't know.

As many people have seen him. Now, tell me he doesn't exist, really. How can you really look at somebody and say, oh, no, he don't exist? Absolutely. That's because you haven't seen him, and you're jealous because you haven't seen it. You can take my story for what it's horrible. Let me tell you, it's actual, it's factual. I got pictures.

I just got to get it developed, and I will have it developed my land. I'll make it a point now that I've talked to you. I feel so much better. Keep it off my chest. You know, you can't tell nobody. You just can't tell somebody this story. They look at you like you're insane, you know? But trust me, I'm a very educated person.

I mean, I designed the cords and civics for 22 years, okay? Oh, wow. So, yeah, I didn't want to see. I didn't ask to see this thing. I mean, that was the last thing in my mind was this thing coming out of the woods one day. Oh, I didn't even want to see it. Okay? I was just trying to do my job.

Okay? And it just ruined my whole life. Mark, I am... It just ruined my whole life. I'm looking forward to chatting with you more at Oak Ridge. Oh, I can't wait. I'm glad you called in. I know this was extremely tough for you to share, but I'm glad you did.

And we'll talk more later. My email is Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. You can keep in touch with me that way. Oh, yes. I'm just thankful that we got to talk tonight. And yeah, I'll talk to you later. Me too. All right.

Hey, listen, thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it. I feel so much better. Thank you very, very much. Thank you, Mark, for calling in. We'll be in touch, okay? All right, buddy, thank you. Bye.

Bye. Holy mackerel. That was really wild. That was one of the most intense calls I've ever taken. And the story is going to continue at Sasquatch Summerfest in Oakridge if he gets those photos off of that SIM card. You just listen to audio from 448 and 449, which were recorded back in June of 2024. You may have questions about if I ever met Mark at Sasquatch Summerfest, I never did. I still would love to talk to Mark if you hear this buddy

I'm going to Sasquatch Summerfest for my third year and I would love to meet you there if you still have that phone or a SIM card or if you printed out the pictures or I'd love to talk to your buddies about Spirit Lake as well but just a little update about that last one still have not been able to talk to Mark face to face to this day So hopefully that'll happen someday in the future.

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