Bigfoot Society - Missy Leigh Sterling: Rakes, Pale Humanoid Crawlers and Government Contractor Stories

Episode Date: January 9, 2023

In this episode, I talk to Missy Leigh Sterling, author and researcher. Missy is the author of the book, Rakes, Fakes and Double Takes: Just not in That Order, which is releasing soon. DO NOT MISS THIS EPISODE.We talk about:Missy's humanoid crawler sightingsMissy's proof that the rake photo is real.Missy's conversations with an ex government contractor.Resources:Missy's book - Rakes, Fakes and Double Takes - https://amzn.to/3VV1T0W (affiliate link)Missy's website - https://www.missyleighsterling.com/Missy's Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@MissySterling_______Join the only Facebook group for Van Meter Visitor fans - “Van Meter Visitor Believers” - See you there!https://www.facebook.com/groups/vanmetervisitorbelievers/?ref=shareFOR MORE INFO ON THE VAN METER VISITOR FESTIVAL:https://www.facebook.com/vanmetervisitorfestival/_______Join us over on Patreon! Get access to extra audio content, exclusive merch like a membership card and stickers, watch me interview guests weekly live on video, a Patron-only Discord and more.https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyPick up a Bigfoot Society shirt to rep the podcast!https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietyTune in for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QFor full links go to:www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com

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It turned around and looked in there. And jumped down out of the tree and started running away. And suddenly, they're right in front of the car. slams on the brakes and manages to stop and you're skidding because it's like quite you know, and gravelling. And literally for about a second and a half, they just stood there because they don't know where to go and you tell them panicking, they're like, their face is like twitching. Welcome back to Bigfoot Society, a podcast where we focus on cryptids, the strange and the

unexplained of this world. If you've got a story or something weird to share, send an email over to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. And if you'd like to support this show, head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society. And now on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. Thanks for coming back for another episode. I've got the privilege of talking to Missy Lee Sterling. How's it going today, Missy?

Oh, I feel like I'm the privileged one. It's going well. It's going well. Thank you. Oh, man. Just a quick intro for you. And I'll let you fill in the blanks as you want to. But Missy Lee Sterling is you're having a book come out. And I believe it's coming out in January last I knew, rakes, fakes, and double-takes. just not in that order. We're going to be talking about her interactions with the cryptid the rake tonight and some different things of that nature.

And we'll have a link to the pre-order for that book and the show notes for this as well. Anything else that our listeners would need to know about you, Missy, to make sure they get what's going on? Um, well, probably about the encounter, like before. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. We'll get, we'll get there.

But, you know, nothing like you like Diet Coke or Coke or. I'm really more of like a sparkling water type of person. All right. All right. All right. Cool. Yeah. Fantastic.

And also you may have heard Missy was on an episode of Coast to Coast a few, I want to say back in November. So you may have heard her. on on that episode as well. So Missy, you've got a really, this is, you know, I first heard you as random on,

on YouTube, an interview and right away, you know, heard your voice. And it's a whole like, you know, the Southern voice is very fun to listen to, but you're also a very good interviewer.

And you were, you were talking to a gentleman about, about some things. But it was just a fascinating interview. So I looked more into you. And then I was like, oh, she's got some really interesting stories about the rake and like the pale crawler. You know, I'm going to try to talk to this person. This is pretty cool.

So let's let's talk about first off. Let's talk about in case there's people. I have a lot of people that listen for the Bigfoot stuff on this. Right. But we talk about other stuff too, right? We just talked about giants of ancient America last week, stuff like that. So let's talk about this. What exactly is the rake, Missy?

Okay, a bunch of things, really. Okay. So people get funny sometimes when you say, when you're referring to what they believe is a pill crawler, when you call it a rake, you know, they're like the rake is a creepypasta. And while that's true, it's also a pell crawler or any kind of. emaciated humanoid, you know, pale skin. There may be some sub-variance because I've heard descriptions where they've had great. They're described as gray. They're described as pink.

But that could be like, you know, the blue-gold dress thing going on. I don't know. Oh, good point, yeah. But people, there are certain people who get funny about it. And I get it because the rake is a creepypasta and that's fictional. But it doesn't mean that, like, people aren't actually seeing it. And not a lot of people recognize pale crawler. They don't know what that is.

So I just, I mean, I use them interchangeably, but it's just, you know, this Gallum-looking, emaciated figure that's creeping around on all fours and, you know, scaring the living daylights out of everyone. Exactly. If you've seen Gallum from Lord of the Rings or the movie, the dissent with those guys, oh, my goodness, I hate that movie. I can't handle it. Is that what it looks like the guys in that movie? Not so much. Okay, good. Yeah.

So they're blind, right? Which makes sense for a cave animal. Right. But there's another movie. It's a short film. It's a horror film called Miners Mountain. And I'll have to link that when we get done with this. But I watched it and it has this part with the creatures in that are kind of

like this, but they're bipedal. But there's a part where the sky's like in the road and this creature stopped in the road and they had this little moment where they're staring each other down and I had like a full on panic attack when I saw it. Oh boy. That hit pretty close to home is what it sounds like. Right. And then he's describing it to his wife and he's like, it wasn't human and oh man, I remember

going through all that. Oh boy. Let's set the stage. So do you mind sharing what region of the U.S. all this happened in? Oh, I don't mind at all. Okay, so right at the Mississippi-Alabama line, like central Mississippi into West Alabama. Okay. So, yeah, my mom lives in Alabama, and, you know, she's about 20 minutes from me, so we're each about 10 miles from the state line.

So you want me just go into what happened? Let's, yeah, let's do it. I think it's a good, as good as spot to start as any for sure. Okay. I think this may be the hundredth time I've told this story. And not the last time you will tell this story. Probably not. Okay.

So this was either 2018 or 2019. And you know, when I did the coast to coast interview, There were a lot of, you know, you get haters. People were like, it just bothered me. She didn't remember the year. But the thing of whatever. Right, but here's, and then they even suggested I should have just picked a year, like 2018 or 2019.

But that would be dishonest because I'm not positive. And the thing about a traumatic experience, the way the brain encodes memory. Okay, so say a bank robber goes in to rob a bank and the teller can remember everything about the way the gun looked, everything about the way his voice sounds, but she can't remember if he wore glasses or not. And humans are terrible at time stamping events. And you're just focused mainly on surviving because that's what your program to do, to live.

And so it's actually, I mean, quite normal to not know the exact year. But to suggest I should pick one, well, then if I did that, you would get me for, you know, picking one and not knowing for sure. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But anyway, one of those, one of those years, it was summer of 2018.

or 2019. Okay. And I was on my way home from my mom's, and I guess it was maybe 9 or 10 o'clock. It was on a Sunday, and I know that just because I always go visit her on Sundays. And so I'm coming around the curb, and I can see something in the road,

and I thought it was a deer. So I started to slow down, and as I'm getting closer, I'm realizing it's not a deer, like something is wrong, very wrong here. And by the time I'm on it, I'm at a complete stop. And it's this pale humanoid creature.

It looked, I know now it was pretty small compared to the size descriptions given by other witnesses. So this one would have been maybe a child if they have children, which I don't know why they wouldn't. But then there's a lot of reasons they wouldn't anyway. It was smaller. And it was on its hands and knees. And it was looking at me, like straight at me and had these big round eyes and they were black. And its mouth was like, okay, so I really couldn't see much of a mouth initially. And then it dropped like kind of like it was on a hinge.

And I've said it was gap and open. And it was. But it also was a slit, which it's so hard to explain because I can't really, I mean, I don't have anything to compare that to. So then its mouth is just gaping over. open, but no sound is coming out. And I, I mean, it's like that moment where all the blood just drains from your head, you know, like you feel like you might faint. I was just in shock.

I was frozen. But the creature at the time I thought, I don't know, like later when I reflected on it, I thought, I got this sense that it was just as scared as I was. But upon further reflection, I think that could have been because of the way the mouth was gaping open. like maybe that's why I thought it looked afraid. I'm not sure, but it was also frozen, so that could have been why. So I don't know how long we sat there, just staring at one another. But eventually, it got up on its back legs and kind of, I mean, it didn't run on its back legs.

It kind of like launched itself and went off into a field to the left of me and let out the screech, which, it was pretty bone-chilling. I've said it sounds like a mixture between a mountain line and a woman being murdered. It was, and it was so loud. So then I drove up the roadways, but I have, and I only know this because I was actually up the road away when I have memory again because I have no memory of the time. I don't remember hitting the gas and driving off. I just know that I had because I was further down the road.

And I was pulling, I pulled over to call, I wanted to call my mom because I was just, I was just horrified, right? when something goes terribly wrong, we all want our mom. Oh, yeah. And hold on. One of my dogs is being so loud. Oh, you're good. I'm so sorry. You can edit this part out.

Let me go make sure that they're, they've got this under control. Okay. Yeah. All right. Sorry about that. Okay. So I'm pulled over on the side of the road and I'm, I couldn't remember how to use my phone. And I, like, I don't really know what to make of that.

It wasn't like I had known how to use it and forgot. It was like I had never known how to operate one. But I finally got to a point where I hit the last person I'd called, which would have been the first person in my call log. Sure. And of course they didn't answer. So I left a message and drove home. And I can remember like sitting in the driveway for a long time just like,

what in the world just happened. Like I had to go in and take a shower because I'd paid myself. And like that doesn't embarrass me at all day because I'm like, oh my gosh, it was terrifying. And a friend of mine recently said, you know, number one, it could have been worse. And number two. And then he stops. Well, it's a normal, you know, it's a normal reaction, you know. Yeah.

You kind of just evacuate. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. So I go inside and I don't think I slept that night. I was in a days, really. It was really pretty pitiful. Like last night I was telling the story and for the first time I got kind of emotional as I was talking about it. You know, some people can kind of bring that out in you.

But I like I thought I tried to rationalize it. Could it have been this? Could it have been? But I knew better. You know, the whole time I knew better. And so then I told my like I started, I told my mom. I told a few friends. And my mom has always been really supportive.

I've been a weird day my whole life like the entirety of my I saw ghost when I was a kid I had this orb that I used to like yeah

I had like this friendship with a with this white orb Oh yeah we're gonna talk about that later don't worry you're so going there well we can

if you're if you're cool with that that would be awesome yeah of course yeah but my mom you know she I think it was probably pretty hard for her to believe because it's different

when it's something like okay so I dealt with the paranormal. I felt like I was pretty familiar with that. And that came with this false sense of security because it was like I thought I knew both worlds. And then this happens and I'm like, the world I'm a primary resident of is the one I may know the least about.

So that kind of, it's like a really acute implosion of your worldview. And then as the days pass, it just gets worse. It's kind of like this slow. I mean, I can see where people can kind of descend into madness and not come back because it's just, I don't know, I wasn't, I wasn't familiar with anything about cryptozoology. I knew what Bigfoot was, but I didn't know that there was a chance. I didn't believe in Bigfoot. I didn't know there was a chance that Bigfoot was real. I had dug into all of it. And I certainly didn't know anything about creepy pasta. I was very much, probably a little bit materialistic. I'm a much nicer person now. I was kind of a bit of a snob. And I would have, I would have designated something like,

you know, people who believe in Bigfoot is crazy. I mean, right. And now I'm like right up in the middle of it. There you go. Yeah. There you go.

But eventually I decided, okay, well, maybe I'm going to look into this because I, you know, I had friends who were like, you can't talk about this.

You can't be one of those. Bigfoot is real people. Oh, wow. Right, yeah. And at the time, I'm like, yeah, yeah, you're right. But then I could not. I couldn't let it go. It kind of, I mean, it possessed me for a while because to just not have an answer at all,

I think that's the hardest part. So I decided, okay, I'm going to look into it. And it took me a little bit because I thought, what am I going to do if I search, you know, if I try to search for this and there's nothing online. If I can't find anything, then, somewhat. But I think even then some part of me knew that I wasn't alone in this. And I, like, I can't explain that. I guess it's intuition. So I started looking online and I found a subreddit called crawler encounters or crawler sightings. And I think I stayed up all night reading. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, I mean, because it was like validation. And they were, the descriptions of this thing are so consistent. I mean, across like every cryptid. you get with these you get and there are some sub-variance i think but the description is so consistent and that that's pretty amazing because i've said this before nope people don't have any

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see something that we don't have any context for if it's if it's not what we're

actually seeing some other phenomena, then our mind just kind of builds a picture based on the things that we know. That's why, you know, two people can have the same experience of the same phenomenon and report wildly different things. But this isn't the case with this rate crawler thing. The descriptions of it are so consistent. And that was just haunting to me, especially the further I got into it. And I found out what dog man was and what a chippocob and all that. You don't get that same consistent. Even with Bigfoot, the descriptions are, you know, they can vary a great deal.

They are different in different parts of the country. And I need to talk to the listener real quick because I know there's more than a few people right now that are like, but the rake is fake. And this is all blah, blah, blah. And I'm clicking out. Guys, I know where the story is going. Trust me. This is a really cool story. Stay with us.

please. I know there's like a bunch of you right now that are like, what is this? Just give it a chance, dude. It's a cool. This is awesome. So, okay, Missy, I know my listeners. I know what they're thinking. Yeah.

Okay. So for anyone he thinks that the rake or crawlers are like just a purely modern phenomenon, there are reports that go way back, even one from, I want to say, the 1800s. Oh, really? Yeah. There was this Scots Canadian, I think. It was an anthropologist. His name was James Tite.

I'm not sure how to pronounce it. T-E-I-T. And he lived with a group of indigenous people called the Interior Salish. And he wrote about this belief they had. They said beings of a, I'm paraphrasing, but it said beings of a kind are occasionally seen. They're like humans. but gaunt and emaciated and like ghosts, they chase people,

but they're more persistent. And that, you know, they're, oh, yeah, the shape of their bones are visible through their skin. Yeah, so it was, you know,

it was the same kind of consistent description. And then you, I mean, honestly, I think that these things predate Islam because a lot of the reports that I've read, cemeteries come up a lot

and the description of a goal that is almost an example. an exact match for this thing to you. I mean, I can't remember. I've looked up. You know, I've got something interesting. So I was listening, I've listened to a few different things, mainly the coast to coast interview. When I was listening to it, I had this thought and I wanted to bring this to your attention. I'm not sure if you know about this, but have you ever heard the Alabama white thing? No. Okay. So this is interesting. It's primarily thought of as a bigfoot type creature found in northern Alabama. But the thing is, is that sometimes it's seen as a big foot, but sometimes it's seen as it's running on all fours.

It's on its bipedal. Sometimes a kangaroo type creature, sometimes a big foot type creature. But the weird thing is, is that sometimes. it'll scream like a woman. Oh, wow. And when I heard you talking and you were like, and it screamed, I was like, oh, my goodness. I wonder if there's a connection there. I'm going to.

Well, now I'm going to have to look into that. Yeah, you totally need to. Yeah, I'm going to. That's insane. I've never, I've never heard of any, I mean, never even come across anything about that. Oh, look it up. Look it up. So I'm going to, yeah.

That's crazy. You know, might be a connection. And that's the thing when you start looking at the cryptos and stuff, there's always that one string that is always there. And you're like, I can just pull on that little string and see where it leads. Yes. And get another connection. And that your story is a prime example of that. Missy.

It gets wild. Yeah. Yeah, it does. Especially, like, well, the, you know, a lot of people, I'm sure a lot of your listeners has saying this trail can picture. It's like, um, a. you know, a creepy looking humanoid thing on all fours. It's mouth escaping open and it's staring into the camera. There's a wild game innovations logo.

I mean, if you search the right trail cam, it's the first thing that pops up. It's, it's a while. Before we go, I'd like before we go into, we talk about how you really got into looking into that photograph. I think another really important part of your story is your second siting that you had. If you don't mind sharing that. No, I don't mind it all. Okay. So at the time of the second siting was back in the spring of this year.

Yeah. Well, the year's almost over, but 2022. Sure. And I had done the research at this point. I'd written most of the book. And my mom had been at my house. My dad had dropped her off. And so I was taking her home.

and we're driving and I look to the left and there's this group of deer and right among them is this pale humanoid crazy looking thing on all fours and I'm like I know but this was a bit different because it wasn't right up in front of my car I wasn't alone and it doesn't get any less scary when you've seen it before but I had my mom beside me I don't know

I just wasn't quite as tortured or else I mean I was still freaked out but it wasn't quite as horrible as the first time. But I said at first I couldn't speak. And so I'm kind of like hitting her on the leg. Finally, I get out, mom look. And she looks over and her mouth drops, you know. And I feel like she wanted to believe me before, but now she had no choice because it was part of her reality too.

We get back home and she's telling my stepdad and he just, you know, he's rolling his eyes. Right. Yeah. And she, forever after. that she would text me and say it just something is so wrong with it what's wrong with it and i get it because you can't i mean something about it does look very wrong i think they call that the uncanny valley yes yeah yeah oh yes yeah so i you know and then i i don't know if i mentioned this in the coast

interview i had some trouble with the people who were cut my grass so i had to hire somebody else this summer okay and the guy who was cutting the grass you know we're you make the small talk that the awful stuff. And he's like, what do you do? I work from home. What do you do? Right. Anything I've read?

And I'm like, no, it's not out yet. Well, what's it about? And then it gets real awkward. Right. Yeah. My son went to a birthday party this past year. And the mom was like, it was one of those where you drop them off and leave. And the mom was like, what's your mom up to?

Oh, boy. She wrote a book. Well, what's it about? And he just went silent. So I walk in. And she's like, Britain says you wrote a book. And I was like, great. he's not going to be invited back.

That's funny. Luckily she was cool about it. Yeah, it gets awkward because, you know, that's not really something that's super easy to tell someone who isn't already kind of into it. I told him anyway. I was like, you know, I had this really weird thing happen. I was on the way home and there was this creature in the road and he's like, was it pale white?

And I'm like, oh, man. And so I pulled up that trail can photo and I showed it to him. him and he's like, that's it. My girlfriend and I saw that. No way. Yeah, same road. Whoa. Yep, they were on their way to vote.

This is huge because this wasn't in the coast to coast interview. This is incredible, though. Right. I mean, there's so much to it. I forget to mention some things. Totally. Yeah, I even, I have a recording of him kind of telling me about it, but it's such a poor recording.

I just haven't done anything with it. I mean, I could probably get him to come around again and without the traffic sounds in the background. Tell it. But he says, they were driving and there was this white thing that kind of flew over the top of the windshield and he said it kind of looked like a clean a Kleenex but kind of not

so that kind of makes me think it's an orb I'm not but I you know I wasn't there and he didn't say orb and I didn't want to kind of like feed him you know but he's that was significant enough to him that he mentioned it because right after that this crazy looking humanoid pale humanoid on all force goes rushing past the car like right in front of them and he said you know, if it had been seconds earlier, I would have hit it.

And then they watched it kind of run up a heel along to the left side of them. I could be wrong. I don't know. No, no, he did. He said it ran up a hill past the driver's side. So that would have been to the left. Oh, wow. And his girlfriend was with him.

So she saw it too. You know, I've got to call him because he's told me that she would tell the story to you and I could record it. And I've got to do that. I mean, you got to. Yeah, I do. That's the same area. So, yeah. So it's not.

And I'm sure there are a lot of other people around here who have seen it because how many how many sightings are actually reported, right? Yeah, totally. Where do you even report something like this? A missy, that's where you report it. You're going to be the person. Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah, people send me stories a lot. Some of them are just, you know, completely off the wall.

Sure. But I mean, you can kind of tell when someone and I would never ever tell someone that. didn't see what they thought they said. But you can kind of, when they have like this whole personal story around something, it, you know, it kind of makes you raise an eyebrow. But people have said the same about me that, you know, I'm caught, I'm caught up in my own delusions and hallucinations and I need psychiatric help. And instead of getting me psychiatric help, Richard Serrett just exploited me.

And I'm like, wow, that's not what happened at all, but okay. Yikes. People are funny like that, aren't they? I haven't gotten that yet, but I'm sure it's coming. I mean, the things that they'll hang on to, you know, you're damned if he do, damned if you don't. Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, because I giggled in the interview that made me less credible, but I was nervous. I was super nervous.

Well, you've got so many people listening to that interview too that. There's got to just thousands and thousands of people just trying to pick you apart, right? Right. Yeah, yeah. And one of them said, she's a little bit too MAGA for me. And I was like, what's MAGA? And then I found out what it was. And I was like, there's not.

Doesn't even make sense. It doesn't because there's not a single political statement I made. Exactly. Whatever. Whatever's. Whatever you want. You know, a long time ago, I think things like that would hurt my feelings. But when I started looking at that trail camphoto and talking about that, like, I dealt with so much hate that.

Oh, I bet. Yeah, I'm just kind of numb to it, though, because when you really start to call people out and challenge them, like, really challenge them instead of just insults and they're, you know, insultsing them personally. because that's a logical fallacy. You know, you don't attack a person. You attack, you know, pay attention to their argument and what they're saying, not them personally. Nobody on the Internet knows me or you, you know, or anything like that. So they cling to what they can. But, yeah, so I don't remember what we were talking about.

I'm sorry. Before we get into some other stuff real quick, are there any, like, military installations in your area? I live near. Okay. Yeah, there's Columbus Air Force Base. No, it's not, I kind of live in, okay, Columbus is Mississippi. It's not a big state, but Columbus is really small. I'm trying to think of what there's Waverly Mansion, which is like 20 miles from me in West Point.

And it, like, it's haunted, where they say it's haunted. But they're kind of like towns on the outskirts of, like, Columbus, which to us is like the big city. and I kind of live in one of those suburb towns, which it's not really a suburb because Columbus is not a big city. But, okay, here's how to describe it. County versus city. I don't live in the city limits. I live in the county, like the rural area. Well, it's like stories like these, you can almost always trace.

You'd be like, oh, yeah, there's a really big military installation nearby. Huh, weird, you know, like. It's interesting, yeah. Yeah. And cemeteries come up quite a bit. Like one of the things I've been doing more recently. when I have geographical information

about where a sighting occurred, if someone doesn't, people don't always mention a cemetery because they're not always aware that they were close to one. And I was actually, and I didn't know this at first about my own encounter,

but I saw cemeteries mentioned often enough that, you know, it was reason for pause. And so I go and I look and sure enough, I was right between like a cemetery and an animal sanctuary. And that's the thing, yeah,

that's the thing. And so I'm, and there are quite a few of these stories. where people aren't they didn't mention in the story i guess because they did think it was relevant that they were in and i'd just do a five-mile radius right um anything outside of that i don't include and this is just when i have geographical information but a lot of them i mean a whole lot of them don't even mention the cemetery is within a mile or two from where they're you know where their sighting occurred and that's where that um goal comes in and the you know like uh true yeah sure

Yeah, the description of a goal is like so similar to the, you know, the rake, the crawler. And that's the thing about goals that, you know, they visit the cemeteries. I think I don't, I never, I mean, you hear goals and goblins are on Halloween, but I'd never really looked into, yeah, okay, an evil spirit or a phantom, especially one that robs graves. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but the description of what it looks like. And the goal predates Islam. So that's ancient, you know? Let's go, girls.

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But, and then there are these animals or someone will think that they want one as a pet, right? Yeah, gotcha. And they realize quickly that they're in over their head. But yeah, it's called Cedar Hill Animal Sanctuary. It runs solely on donations. And they kind of like, you know, they have a home for these animals that like needs, specialist care. I feel like it's extremely important for you to get a connection within that sanctuary.

Yeah. For a few different reasons, Missy. Okay. Tell me why. One, if you're seeing stuff in that area, you know they're seeing stuff in there. You know, you know a janitor or something in that sanctuary has saw stuff. There's, they have to. And, you know, the people who work there, they aren't like, I mean, it's not like a sales job.

it's not a revolving door, right? They've been there for a long time because they don't really like to hire people they can't. I mean, I think it's pretty much like within a family. I could be wrong. But I know that the people who I see them post on Facebook. I donate. And it appears to be the same people now that it was in 2008 when I moved to the area. So, yeah.

That's what I would do. I would try to get a connection there. And man, what if you could put in trail, trail cams in that preserve somehow. Well, they have cameras. Yeah, they have cameras. Yeah. But see, a lot of places, and this is what I'm finding out, if something like this

is captured, they don't necessarily want to release it because they don't want to draw that attention to that. Oh, totally. Yeah. Especially with something like this, it's, you know, it's not necessarily wanted attention. I was fortunately in a position where it didn't matter. When I started talking about it, it didn't matter. I didn't have an employer who was going to find out, right?

I mean, I lost some friends, but it wasn't like my job was on the line or something. So I was very fortunate in that respect. But, yeah, that's a really good idea. I'm going to call them tomorrow. Yeah, I just got a weird feeling that there could be something that comes out of that. I'll let you know. Yeah, let me know. Oh, I will.

I love, you know, mysteries like this and you can just get crazy to it. The cool thing is that you already have got crazy into this. Like, and what I mean got crazy. Like you got really like deep into like the stuff you figured out. Let's talk about that. Because this is just only the tip of the iceberg. If people think that the story is wild already, it's when you start getting into the trail camp photo stuff that you're like,

wow, this gets really, really deep. Yeah. So yeah, let's get into it. Yeah. It's, you know, the mechanism at play. to keep people at odds over this kind of thing. Does it exist? Does it not?

It's really interesting because as far as government cover up, yeah, I'm sure there's some of that. But for the most part, we keep one another from knowing because of the, I mean, it's great dynamics. And it's also just, it's cool to not believe. And it's cool to make fun of people who do

or someone's who, you know what I mean? Like, that's the cool kids and we're the band nerds or whatever. And I'm fine with that. You know, you know what I mean. Yeah. But, I mean, that mechanism, it's like we keep each other stupid in a way. So I found this trailcam photo and, oh, it looks just like what I saw.

And that was something I was finding across these encounter stories that people would mention what I saw looks just like that trial camp photo, even though that's been debunked. And I thought, how is that even possible? Like, who debunked it? And, you know, what does that even mean to debunk something? and how do you do that? So that was the beginning of my descent into like just craziness. Right. So 10 years had passed,

but from the time this trail camp photo surfaced to the time I had my encounter and started looking into it. And I think actually like the 10 year anniversary of the date on the trail camera was right at the time where I had finally gotten what I thought was all the answers to, you know, whether or not it was truly debunked. Oh, wow. Yeah. And that was interesting.

But so it boiled, there was a news station in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, because that's where the picture was captured in a town called Morgan City or Berwick. And there was a news broadcast, and this news anchor is like, someone sent this in, and they didn't want to be named, but they said it was captured by their friends' trail cam and that it's totally for real. and it kind of seemed like a joke in a way kind of the way she presented it and then they put things up on the screen that people had said on Facebook

I think one of them even mentioned Ghalam and so it was kind of like a you know a joke was made it was just ha ha look at you know that was the that was the vibe I got from it and so you know I actually ended up having a conversation with that news anchor too

that have you seen that news broadcast where they show that trucking photo? I've seen a short clip of it, and it's very like, oh, wow, that's, it's almost to the point of, like, is this a real newscast or is just like a sketch on SNL? Like, it just seems so like very like, whatever, huh, ho, you know, like, wow. Well, because they're the cool kids, right? And the cool kids don't believe in any of this. But I actually tracked her down.

And I, like, yeah, I sent her flower so she'd call me. But you do what you got to do, right? I actually have that conversation recorded. It's unlisted, but I'll send you a link to it. It's on YouTube. It's just unlisted. Oh, all right. But, yeah, so I went deep deep.

Dang. So I just didn't, here's the thing. I didn't understand how so many people could say that picture looks just like what I saw. This isn't like seeing something that could be similar to people who have said, oh, it's a bear with mage. It's not. But it's not like that.

There's to have a picture so accurately to pick something that is so wild and out of the realm of imagination and have it be so accurate. And 10 years has passed with people continuously reporting year after year that they've seen this thing. And then they go look for answers and they find this trail camera or this trail can picture. And so I think, okay, so I watched the news broadcast and I started, you know, I was just searching the different keywords I was seeing. across articles and through a process of like reading articles, clicking links. This one website kept coming up as the person who put the matter to rest once and for all. That was used across many articles. These people aren't very original, honestly, when you really start to look at it.

So I get to his site and it's this guy on the banner, he's like holding a like a pot of coffee. like he's drinking straight from it. And I'm like, that's going to burn your tongue. That's already, I feel like you're, already I feel like you're an idiot. But honestly, right. But honestly, though, like, it's pretty impossible to get away from cognitive bias.

I mean, we all suffer from it. Sure. I was really trying to stay neutral because this was very important to me. I had never really investigated anything. I had, you know, I hadn't looked at, I didn't even know I was good at it. Like, it wasn't until this,

and I found out, hey, I can't have a knack for this. But he writes about this picture that surfaced and he's like, everybody on Facebook is going crazy, but I, you know, I take issue with it because it's different and it's weird. And so that means it can't exist. I mean, he didn't say that, but that was like the general, that was the gist of it. So he's like, the source of the image is a hunting forum called Archery Talk. And he says, and it was uploaded by a user with a. handle hillbilly willie right and he says you know I tend to believe it's his trail camera because he also uploaded other photos that were taken by the same camera in the same area for reference

and so you know I believe it is his his camera his picture um and he says you know there are a couple of problems here and that starts the list of reasons he says the image is fake and um I did an entire YouTube video of the investigation I think it's been a year now since I put that out. But I get, I mean, I'll just real quick. So like the Hillbilly Willie, the original poster, he uploaded another photo from the same trail cam and he was in one of them with his face blocked out and then there was a deer and another.

And there's this little tree to the left of the creature and the deer. And the blogger says there's a nine-day gap. between when one photo was taken and another photo. And none of the leaves on this tree have fallen off. Nothing about the tree has changed, and that's not possible. And I have a friend who went to school for botany. So I cropped the tree out because I didn't want to send her that picture because that would have been all she focused on.

I crop the tree out, and I sent it to her, and I'm like, is it possible? Well, first asked if she could identify it. And she said it looks like sassafras. And I said, is it possible for sassafras to hang on to its leaves for nine days in the fall and not leaves a single leaf? And she was like, of course it is. You know, sassafras is deciduous, which means a tree that leaves its leaves in the winter. But some of these will hold on to their leaves all the way through winter and into the following spring. So it's not uncommon for it to have held on to, she said, you know, it could go for 30 days and not lose a single leaf.

If there wasn't like a really strong windstorm, even if there was, that's, you know, that's not remarkable. So I thought, okay. And it definitely does not mean the picture's fake just because this tree hadn't lost a leaf. That was pretty ridiculous in my opinion. But he had more. He said his biggest thing, and this is what he considered. smoking gun. And this was honestly the easiest part of it to debunk the debunking on.

He said that he ran the picture through a file decoder program called JPEG Snoop. And that the, and he posted the results of the software. And he's like, JPEG Snoop says Photoshopped. But I looked at the result. And it didn't say that. What it said was that the software had detected compression rate anomalies that are consistent with compression rate anomalies and a photoshopped. and I'm using Photoshop as a verb, but I mean edit.

Yeah, right. And a Photoshop image. And so it had no indication in this JPEG's new report about where those compression rate anomalies would be. And for people who don't know, when you're dealing with a JPEG image, you expect the entire image to be at roughly the same compression rate. And if there are anomalies, it could indicate a digital modification. But I'm looking at this truck in photo and right down and look. the left hand side, there's a logo that's like auto-populated for every picture. There's a timestamp on the right. And so those would be, you know, that would introduce

digital artifact to the picture. And so I knew a lit, I mean, I'm a photographer. So I knew a bit about all of the photo stuff, but I didn't know about the forensics of it. So I searched online and I found this site called photo forensics. And they had some amazing tutorials. And I spent probably a couple of months like learning. Oh, wow. Yeah, like learning about forensic analysis of photos and all the different things you can look at. I learned how to

go through a picture, pixel by pixel to detect any sort of like, because sometimes it does come down to that, having to go pixel by pixel. But I did go through this picture pixel by pixel, but one of the first things I did was I ran this

filter type thing. It's called error level analysis. And if there are compression rate anomalies in a JPEG image, the air level analysis kind of just like makes those stand out. It gives you an image that kind of looks like, you know, the fuzz on a TV screen back in the day. But it will highlight the anomalies by making them either bright pink or bright white. And so the result, when I ran that Trelcam image through air level analysis, it was exactly as I thought. There was no area around the creature that was remarkable or stood out. it was all consistent and then right where that trail cam logo was it was bright pink and then right down where yeah right down where the um time stamp was it was bright white but the area around the creature and everywhere else was consistent and so that to me said you know it wasn't altered it's almost impossible to not introduce artifact even when you save an image um the more it saved and reshared like the more

image, the more the image quality is compromised. So I had taken the image, not from the blogger site, but I went straight to the source of the image and got it directly from the archery talks forum to analyze it. Okay. So, yeah, that was bunk, that JPEC snoop software, and that was what everybody ran with, right? That did not mean that the photo was altered or edited in any way. It just meant that the JPEC snoop software did its job, and it did detect compression rate anomalies that are consistent with compression rate anomalies in a

Photoshop image, but it didn't detect them around the creature. It detected them at the bottom. So that was a, after I realized that, I was like, okay, hang on, right? And that, like every other thing he said after that was much weaker. It was, I mean, some pretty ridiculous stuff. But then he says, you know, it's funny, there was actually, and I have never mentioned this before, but there was a rumor that there was this maybe super. Super 8 that was coming out around that time.

Oh, yeah. I remember that one, yeah. Yeah, it was, and it's funny, too, because I was, like, getting into Super 8 cameras around that time. So, all of it's, it's, it's, there's so much like that that I don't mention because I would really sound crazy, but all, synchronicities totally. There's so many and it's so bizarre. Like, at times I would get really, I would be like, what is happening right now.

And someone finally said, it's just, it just means you're doing what you're supposed to be doing. And I'm like, okay, well, yeah. Yeah. And that's what I keep telling myself to because it, I mean, it can get scared. Have you ever experienced synchronicity? Like, really? Absolutely.

Oh, absolutely. It's scary. It's just like, well, I guess this is happening. Let's go for the ride and see how far this goes. Right. It's like some, some large, I mean, I guess it would be God, but it's like something, the universe is communicating with you. And if you tell anyone, it's going to get you put in a loony bin.

because it's personal to you and no one else really, you know, understand. Yeah, there were a lot of things like that. Anyway, the blogger even determined that there was no evidence that this image was part of the Super 8 movie. So he moved on. Okay. Let's go, girls. You know what I love about, Andy? Everything?

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And they did a series called Resistance. And the Resistance 3 game, I think it had been a bit, okay, so this picture of this trail cam creature went viral pretty fast. But the Resistance 3 game that had a creature called a

gram, it was a, I believe about six months to one year after this trail cam image came out that they, they, you know, released their game. Well, they tweeted the image and this, I think this is how the general public got a hold of the image because initially it was, it was just circulating through the cryptic community, right? And we're a tiny group of people. But then this insomniate games takes the image and they tweet it and they're like, uh-oh, looks like one of our, creatures got out because the creature in their video game was called a grim. Yeah.

And they're like, if you see one, return it to. And so everyone's like, okay, that's where it came from, end of story. But the problem with that is that afterwards, it was the same day, someone replied to that tweet. And they're like, are you serious? Like, is this your picture? And they were like, you know, no, we're totally joking. But it was over already because everybody had just taken that. One tweet ran with it and no one bothered me to look at that second tweet.

And again, it's 10 years later when I'm finding all this. And so when I go to Twitter, Insomnia at Games' original tweet where they replied and said totally joking, that was still there. And the question was still there. But the account of the person who had asked it no longer existed. Really? Yeah. But it, the thing, I mean, that's not necessarily remarkable. Well, people, you know, people shut down and social media all the time.

Sure. But people, when I put this out and I said that, they're like, you just show a tweet with no context. You don't, you know, you can click on that and there's nothing else except them saying, we're totally joking. And it just happens to be on the same day. But there, where I found it was digging through news articles. And the headlines for these news articles where insomniac games denies responsibility for trail cam monster picture. And so these news articles were written 10 years ago when all this happened. And so I trust that.

Like, I trust that they knew what they were talking about. Right. I tried to contact Insomnia at Games to ask, but they, you know, as of today, I still have not gotten a reply. Oh, really? They're not even touching it. No. I mean, look, I called the headquarters. Okay.

It's in South Carolina. And the secretary or whoever answers the phone eventually, she was like, you're really. really getting on my nerves. You're really persistent with this. You should probably stop. What are you even talking about? Like, right? She's probably some college kid.

And I'm like, yeah, she doesn't care. Yeah, no, and they don't either. Right. But I had,

I decided later that they very well could have been part of a decades old fake news campaign to try and discredit the image. Because they, I mean, I don't know. That's probably unfair,

but I was just angry. I wanted an answer from them. And it's funny that I did, that I, was like that because the people who were working there 10 years ago, they may not, it may not even be the same people. There may not be a single one of them, you know. But yeah, there was more than one news article that reported on that and said, so, you know,

the mystery remains. But even though there were all these news articles out about that, nobody wanted to hear anything of it because they had their answer, right? Right. And it was funny because the blogger closed by saying, you can all put away your security blankets. And I'm like, you mean you can put away your security blanket? You know, because I think, all right, so for me, going into this picture and trying to find out what was up with it was very much a part of like validate my own experience. Oh, yeah.

Somebody said that to me as like an accusation. You're just doing this to validate your own experience. Well, of course I am. And I just happened to be a little bit extra. So all this stuff going on 10 years ago that you dummies just blindly accepted, and I don't mean that really, like, because I'm not above being fooled. But like I can't just accept that because I'm intense and I need to know. But I totally get that. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All that is just incredibly. The most intense part is you spent like a few months like going through photos.

little forensic learning. That's awesome. That is intense. And I love that. Yeah. Yeah. So see, I put the video of the results

of that entire investigation out about a year ago. But what people don't realize is like that information wasn't acquired over a period of just like a few weeks or a month. That was about a year and a half of constantly. Because I mean,

I didn't necessarily know what to ask initially. It would just, you know, one thing would lead to another. and then another. And that's how it, I mean, that's how things unfold, right?

The part that I really like is coming up. When you talk to the trail cam maker. Another one of the things that I found. Okay, so there were a couple of, well, there were a lot of, you know, networks or blogs, news blogs that reported on this picture. And the Daily Mail did an article. And it's interesting because it's kind of like the first place that you see this story just completely changed from what the guy who uploaded the photo said.

So this guy with the username Hillbilly Willie uploads the photo and he's being genuine and saying, you know, guys, this was on my trail cam. I don't know what it is. I don't know what to make of it. And so this forum probably blew up after this because as, you know, immediately after and then as the years have gone on, there ended up being some 700 pages of replies to this post of this image. And so I read all of them. And then so I mean, I knew the story intimately.

I knew what he said. I knew everything he replied. A lot of people had contact me. and claim to be, well, I say a lot, like, I don't know, maybe five or six. They claim to be Hillbilly Willie, but I knew that thread so intimately that if they couldn't answer certain questions, I knew about it, right? But the Daily Mail is kind of the first place. Well, okay, so PlayStation Life is a blog, and they reported about Insomniac Games and their

trailer being released at the event. And the PlayStation Lifestyle article sources the Daily Mail. and this was a big point of contention in Reddit threads because when I was having these discussions with people when I finally got past all the hostility and people kind of started to listen, there was this one little guy and he kept posting links this PlayStation lifestyle article

where it says, you know, that it's from this video game. And I read the article and of course I'd seen it anyway and I'm like, what you're failing to realize is that they source the Daily Mail and the Daily Mail is a tabloid journal. Yep, that's just like the National Inquirer. A tabloid journal reports on stories that are oftentimes unverifiable or completely false. Yep.

What were you going to say? The part where things get really interesting, I mean, they're already very interesting. But when you called up the trail cam company, that's an interesting, like that, that's, like, that, Things kind of, it turns a little bit. See, the day I reported the story completely different, said that the hunter, that they didn't even mention a trail camp. They said it was up, the picture was uploaded to the Wild Game Innovation's website, but that it was captured by a hunter who was lying in wait.

And all of a sudden this creature appears. And he was so afraid his camera broke, which, what? Right? Like, what are you even saying? Exactly. But they said it was uploaded to Wild Game Innovation's website. And at this point I knew better, but one of the things the blogger said was that, or maybe it was in the comments, it glars. But one of the things people were saying was wild game innovations did this as a marketing stunt.

So that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I wanted to be sure. And I had seen articles where other investigators or reporters, not that I'm one of those, but they had tried to get in touch with wild game innovations or said they did. and at the time of press there was still no response but I didn't have that problem I called they you know I couldn't get anyone immediately but I let them know what I was wanting and then they returned the call and I was actually um I can't remember where I was I missed it which was devastating but luckily they left a voicemail and they were like you know um at wild game we're in the business of assisting hunters in the woods it serves us in no way to scare them out of the woods, which is like the perfect response, right? I mean, I couldn't have said it better myself. And that, you know, that was the feeling I had. But yeah, they were, I mean, it was almost the guy's voice. I have this in the video on my YouTube channel.

He's very, you know, he's very serious and professional and matter of fact about something that's just so ridiculous. But I appreciated that because it's true. Why would they, you know, why would they pull a marketing stunt trying to scare people out of the woods? Like, that's where their business comes from, people being in the woods. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

So that was another big one. And then after, I mean, from there, it just got crazier. I had put the video out and it had been maybe a couple of weeks a month. And I get this email. And there was a little bit of a misunderstanding. I don't know that the person who emailed me is part of the Army Corps of Engineers. I just know he has some sort of insight into. their work because he mentioned something and he said you need to look at this and ask yourself

why why did they flood the Morgan City Barwick Louisiana area the the Corps of Engineers did this because they redirect flood water and all kinds of stuff like they build dams you know like civil works and he said look into this flood that was in the spring of the following year that that picture surfaced and ask yourself why they decimated thousands of acres of of crops to redirect this, I opened the Morganza spillway and just completely flood this area. And, you know, he didn't,

he didn't tell me anything else. He didn't say it was because they were trying to kill this creature. That was what I took from it. Like, why would they, you know, this, whatever it is, if they're trying to get a hold of it, it must, and this could just be a coincidence.

Because I never could really pin anything down that said 100% they did this because they were trying to kill that creature out. Right. But I did have a guy get in touch with me who lived in Berwick. It's St. Mary's Parish. Like in Louisiana, they have parishes instead of counties. Yeah. Exactly.

So St. Mary's Parish is the parish that Berwick and Morgan City are in. And this guy contacted me, and he lived there. He was in high school when this picture surfaced. And he said at that time, there was a big presence of law enforcement. There was a big law enforcement presence. even law enforcement from neighboring counties had come over and they were kind of patrolling. They told everybody not to go outside after dark. And a lot of people's pets had come up missing.

Really? Yes. Oh, wow. Yes. It's initially left it as a comment on a YouTube video, said all this in a comment. And I tried to get him on the phone and he says, you know, I've got a speech impediment so I'm not comfortable talking. I just wanted to hug him, right? I'm like, that's fun.

But yeah, but yeah, he said. that about and that's something that's reported quite a bit. I mean, not all the time, but I mean, I can think of maybe five or six accounts that I read pets or missing or taken or whatever, but he said it was a, it's a small town. He said it's kind of like Mayberry. And he said it was a large number of pets. And then I get an email from this woman and I assume she's a little old lady. That's just, you know, in my head, that's how she sounded when I read her email. But she was still livid, like mad as hell because she had a cat that had given birth

to kittens. And all of those kittens and that cat went missing. And one kitten was left and she had to bottle feed it and she was up all hours of the night and never had any answers about what happened to her cats. So, I mean, you can tell she was still furious.

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what I'm probably going to have to do, and I will, is go to Burwick and go to the library and look through the archives around that time. So, and I'm going to, I'm going to recommend something else to do it. Because this sort of thing, I've heard this done in different situations that are kind of similar. if you can contact the sheriff's department or police department in that small town and just be like, do you guys get like weird reports or anything like a creature that looks like this or anything weird? And you'll be surprised because sometimes in situations like this, they'll be like, oh, yeah, we do. And for example, Linda Godfrey up in Wisconsin, like when she went to the sheriff's, department about the Beast of Railroad.

They had a whole folder full of dog man stuff. They're like, here you go. Dog man stuff. Go to town. Oh, wow. And that's paraphrasing the story. Right. But that might be worth trying to contact that sheriff's department, be like, hey,

you know, just a weird question, but you guys never got any weird sightings around here, creature, white thing that runs across the road, stuff like that. Right. Yeah. I know. See, my, that's a really good idea. My approach on that is typically, I'll call first if I'm kind of being shut down, I'll show up. Because when I show up, they're much more willing to talk to me.

So I'm going to do it. Exactly. You do both of them. Yeah. Just the just a thought. Yeah. You know, there are a lot of Effingham, Illinois, which this is ironic too, because I've been to Illinois once, and that's where I went, Effingham. There are a lot of, and that was years ago, like, probably around the time that truckingham picture surfaced.

But there are a lot of reports around Effingham, Illinois. Of what? Of the crawler, of this rain creature. Really? Is that southern? Illinois. I don't. Is it Southern Illinois? I'm not sure.

It's about an hour from Chicago maybe. I could be wrong about that. So it's, I mean, it's probably central. Let's see. It's, let's see.

Oh, no, that's, that's kind of closer to southern, but it's central, southern. It's central, Southern Illinois has some weird stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I'm not surprised that there's lots of sightings in that area. actually. Yeah. I mean, I think there's one on this cryptic, like the Cryptid Society website.

And this girl is talking about Caspar Cemetery, like her and her friends were going there. And she specifically mentions the trail cam photo. And she did a bit of a deep dive too. She just didn't look into the photo. She even said, you know, the photo's been debunked. But she had a group of her friends, they all saw it in the car. And when that photo surfaced, she sent it. to them and they're all like, oh my God, it's that thing. You know, it's that thing. So, yeah,

that's a, that's a really good idea. This thing isn't seen in Iowa. Is it? You haven't seen any Iowa reports, have you? Let me check, because I've got a map. I was going to put it in the book. Oh, you got a map. Uh-oh. Yeah, I started plotting sightings. Oh, yeah. Nice. Well, because, you know, when you see it, you can get, I mean, I just wanted people, I wanted it for myself, just, I don't, I don't always know why I do things, but there's usually a reason that you know, is known later on. Exactly.

I wanted to, I wasn't comfortable enough to put it in the book because I wanted to, I didn't plot every single point on my own. Like I kind of, I traded information with someone else and I did it that way. But I want to make sure that I, you know,

there's siding to back up because I wanted people to be able to click on that point and read the siding. So I decided it needed to be a bit more thorough. But, yeah, I don't. Um, Iowa. Let me, let me look real quick. All right. Um, no, I don't, I don't think so. That's great. I can, I can live and sleep better knowing that there's none in my home state. So you, you, that's where I'm at.

They're reported all over the world. I mean, are they really? Yeah, Poland, Australia. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Because. And go ahead. I was just going to say the description is still consistent. Even in these different parts of the world, how? Right? How is that? It's just the, it's the craziest thing ever. Isn't, and this is the same thing where a lot of people will be like, this is seen in like national parks and it's like, oh, there, is it the same, the same type of deal where there's stories or that's totally different, isn't it? Well, no, I, okay, so initially I thought there was a correlation there.

I don't live near a national park. Sure. But for the most part, they're in rural areas. Okay. Interesting. I thought initially, like the first kind of version of the map, there were a few anomalies that were completely outside of the range of the national parks. But for the most part, it seemed to be that it was, you know, kind of, you could overlay it and there was a correlation. But then I found out there are two missing 401 maps.

And that's what I'm talking about, like the national park stuff missing 401. There are two maps going around. One of them is the original. And another is a map that someone kind of edited and made to look like there was more of a correlation than there actually was. Okay. So when I saw that, I was like, eh, you know, I better backpedal on this. I don't want to. I mean, I'm going to make mistakes, right?

I'm going to get things wrong. But if I can catch it before I, you know, put it out there, I like to. But then when I was frustrated over that, I was looking into, so I've got this former private contractor who I've been in touch with. then that's a whole other thing. We'll talk about some other time. But I was telling. Okay, go ahead. I was like, if she brings that up, then we'll party.

Yeah. Okay, yeah, we can go there. I know it's unlisted, so I wasn't bringing it up. But that's wild. Holy mackerel, that's wild stuff. Oh, that's just that that's the tip of the iceberg. Man, like, I consider myself to be rather intelligent, you know, I mean, among a group of people who are of average intelligence. I think I can home own this guy.

Man, I'll get off the phone with. him in my brain is mush. I'm like, that guy's vocabulary was slapping me in the face around and just like, dude, you got to go read a dictionary. Like, you can tell he's a smart dude. Yeah. And he's smart, smart guy. He really is.

And he has no, you know, absolutely no reason to make this up. The reason he actually came forward is he had gotten sick and he thought, you know, I don't want to die with this information. But yeah, he's, he'll argue with me and say, I'm not a genius. He is. He's a genius. You can tell. But one of the reasons.

I unlisted that video, it was one, because there was dead air, there was a mistake, but two, I'm going to present it. You can edit, though. What? I'm sorry. You can, dude, that's a good. You can edit, dude. Sorry, go ahead. It's okay.

Like, I'm going to kind of break it down in a way that's more digestible because it's so, you know what I mean. You heard it. There's a lot. There's a lot in that 20 minutes that I heard. Yeah. And so it is nuts. And I know you can hang. I know you get it. But a lot of people are going to. And not that they're not intelligent. I think this community is there, they're some of the most intelligent people in the world. Oh, sure. Sure. But it's just so much. It's so. And a lot of it like, I mean, I would have to stop and say, wait a second. I don't know what that means. And I don't have to say that a lot. But yeah. I mean, that was pretty much every conversation. I'm like, I have no idea what you just said. Listeners right now are like, what are you guys talking about?

Yeah, yeah. I want to know what you're talking about. I don't know how much you want to share about what it is, though. I mean, yeah, anything that was in that video, we can touch on. Oh, for real? Yeah, I don't mind that. All right. Okay, cool.

Let's say that, what was that? We need someone to anchor the storm, goodness. The guy, so that's great. So it's a guy where he's like, pretty much in this like I'm going to try to summarize what I remember because it's nuts he's like in this like special ops group where they go around trying to find rare earth metals and but there's like these cryptids there but there's another name for them and they have all these encounters with some crazy crazy creatures yeah yeah so um I know I know you're familiar with the correlation missing 411 between the boulder fields the underground aquifers and the missing that's a that's a thing yeah okay so where you where you have rare earth you have also these kind of like um what what's the is it it's not granite it's um oh i can't think of it now to save

my life oh what is that mineral i can somebody text me and mentioned it hold on let me check because this is important okay it's uh Limestone aquifers. There we go. So limestone aquifers are usually found around the rare earth deposits. Well, the limestone, yeah. And even like I mentioned, Tam, because like coal mines, all of this, all of these kind of precious metal, precious elements and things like that, they're kind of like group and groups, like what you'll find a vein, right?

Sure. Like, that's how quartz works. You find one vein and then it leads you to a big deposit. I don't know if I'm using the right lingo. but so he says where you have rare earth you have a higher instance of what he called riffs and shimmers and those are two different types of portals he describes one takes you to another place on earth and the other takes you to another place entirely and so where you have these higher instances of rare earth these higher instances of i'll just call them portals that's what he says that's where these creatures

are coming from so yeah that's that's why that was relevant but i was talking him about You know, I don't know if it's the caves, but it's looking like they're made. I found a map of abandoned mines and that's looking to be like a positive correlation. And he's like, oh, yeah, you're on to something there because, you know, a bunch of smart stuff comes flying out that I can't even repeat because I remember and I would just butcher it. But I'm going to calmly hang up and get, you know, get all that together. But yeah, I'll put a video out on that scene. So. From what I remember also, the riffs are from Earth to a non-examination.

other place entirely, shimmer's are point to point on earth, right? Correct. Yes. And there's a missing 4-1-1 story

where this guy is skiing in Colorado with his buddies and they look up and he's nowhere in sight. And a couple of weeks past after this

big search has launched and caught off. And he is in Sacramento, California, and he's got a haircut he doesn't remember kitten. He bought a cell phone

and called his wife. He has no memory of how he got there. And so that would be like he skied straight into a shimmer. Wow. I mean, that's what I believe. Yeah. Like how to get there, you know? It's wild. This world is, I mean, so much more insane than we probably could even fathom. Did this guy, did he say anything about like they were encountering things in the continental U.S. or like this is all over the world like you can't get into, he wasn't saying where locations were, stuff like that? Oh, no. He gave, he gave. Okay. So this wasn't in the, um,

And the thing you listened to, but he gave a location of a really, one of the biggest incidents they had was in steamboat. A rift opened up across the entire continental divide. Steamboat, Colorado? Yes. And there's an article about it. It happened in the 90s, I believe. Oh, wow, really? Yeah.

But then, I mean, he's, and I actually have been to, he lives in Colorado. I went in September and met him and visited with him. you know, sat in his home and watched a video of these trees just like falling over. Like just, I mean, it was it was as if someone took a massive lawnmower and started mowing the trees. And he said they were just folding down this, down this, I don't know, mountainside, I guess. Yeah. And he was like, you know, the things that were coming out of that, it was. And I could tell he was having like a PTSD moment because he doesn't, he does not start.

swear often at all. Right. And, you know, he was swearing a lot and he was having trouble finding his wires. And you heard him talk. He's not someone who has an issue. Yeah. Coming up with him. Oh, no doubt.

Yeah. Yeah. So hearing him talk about that, that was, you can't, I mean, you can't really fake PTSD. I guess you can. But, I mean, when you, when you've experienced trauma, and it doesn't matter what kind. And then you hear someone else recall in their own trauma, you know. You just know. So that was like a home video or something he was.

able to show you. Well, yeah, or a video that one of his, one of the guys he was there with had sent him. Yes. He showed me that. And I'd asked him, you know, what, like I felt bad about it, but I kind of, I was like, what are you going to do with that video? And he said, you know, for now I want to hold on to it. Yeah. And so, you know, I don't want to cross, you know, cross his boundaries or violate his boundaries. So I left it at that. But yeah, gosh, we, we went way off topic. No, that is, that is fine with with me for sure. Did he? So that would be really, that's, that's really interesting. So you actually met this guy, hung out with him in Colorado. Did he show you anything else in person that was able to, I'm losing words, able to, you know, make his, yeah, confirm. Yeah, confirm. That's what I'm trying to say.

Okay. So as far as that, there's, there's really nothing, you know. Okay. There's no, but he did. I mean, I was there for a few days. Oh, wow. So he took us out and he was saying that there was this magnetic field anomaly in this certain area. And there were quite a few sightings of not, you know, things that aren't quite right.

Like other, he calls them other than normals. We call them cryptos. We went and we saw a fresh print. And it was like he was saying it's, I know it's fresh because the sediment hadn't settled to the, it was raining and are sprinkling. And there, you know, there was water filled into the print. I have a picture of it. I need to send it to you. Wow. He calls these things pull-offs.

Yes, this is interesting, yeah. Yeah, there's, okay, so according to him, there are crawlers and then there are pull-offs. And the pull-offs, they're super dangerous. They're up in trees. They have this, like, hoof-like structure for feet. And the... Let's go, girls. So you've been taking one of these little pink pills daily?

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You know, that was someone else. So that kind of, you know, little things like that are just confirmation to me that he actually knows what he's talking about. Yeah, he's a national treasure for sure. That is, that's amazing. And like he hasn't been on like this, this is a pretty, you know, he's talking to you. But like it's not like this guy is talking on different shows and stuff like that. Well, I mean, initially he, okay, so initially he did reach out to one YouTuber. And I think he, yeah, he did a couple of talks with him.

But it was like the information, the way the information needs to be presented so that people actually understand what he's talking about, it needs to be done a certain way. Exactly. And like it was really coincidental how I met him. You know, someone recommended that I contact him. and I kind of brushed it off for a long time because I was doing other things. And then all of a sudden, I think it was around the 4th of July. Like out of nowhere, I had this. I mean, I had to call him.

I don't know. It was like, I couldn't think. And so that's how we kind of got in touch and started talking. And it turned out well because I'm, you know, I'm pretty gifted at communication. And so a friend of mine, Ethan and I are going to. So I'm going to put out the story and Ethan's going to analyze it and kind of do the credibility and the, you know, show if they're thinking. to back the story up because that's each of us kind of doing what we do best. So we figured that'd be the best way to kind of put that out there.

So when you say you mean like put out his story? Yeah, put out the information he's given us because it's so much. Like it's too much. I think it's too much for one person, right? You need more than one head on that. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not putting it all out at once, but I'm going to start to kind of after, you know,

after the book is launched and everything, I may even get the first video out pretty soon, which is going to be just like, basically. basically what you heard, but just me talking and kind of breaking everything down. So, yeah, he, I mean, he talks even about, he's like, you know, people notice the big cryptids, the ones that are obvious. They don't even think about plants, plants that just kind of show. Yeah, and he was like, if you want to understand warfare, you need to look at how plants interact. There are these things called the telegram or the telegraph plant. They're in jungles.

And the way they work, they're related to the Venus fly trap. If an animal kind of wanders into a field of telegraph, it could be telegram, but I think it's telegraph, of telegraph plants. The way these plants operate is they start to kind of gyrate, they start to move, and they're all pointing towards this animal that's wandered in. And there are predators that have learned to hang out on the outskirts of these telegraph fields. And so they're basically telling this predator, look, here's your prey. So then the predator comes, kills it, and what it leaves, goes into the earth and feeds the plants. So they're offensive instead of defensive and their survival tactics. So that's, he told me all that.

That was something I didn't even know. But yeah, that's hard for, right? Wow, yeah. That's wild stuff. Yeah. I can't believe it. I'm sure I messed some part of that up. But, yeah.

That's intense. Good for you. Yeah. Well, I mean, I recognize pretty quick that it was important. right? Oh yeah, I'm glad you did. That's awesome. Wow. I know. I'm pretty, I mean, he like, and the thing is, like, he doesn't, you know, he doesn't necessarily want everyone to know who he is, which is completely understandable. But I think he totally deserves, like, I'm having eventually we can write a book and, you know, we can do it together and he can earn from that

because he, he deserves it. He's been through hell and he's still so humble. And I mean, So, I mean, he's so, like, I've cried about things on the phone with him before, right? Because we're good friends at this point. And I'll, like, try to hold back because I don't like to get real emotional in front of people. And he's like, just cry, Missy, just let it out. He's so nice. Yeah. Wow.

It's such a really, it's an amazing story. And I hope that it is able. I hope it all is able to come out because I have never seen. heard a story that comes close to it. And the information in that in that 20 minute block I heard will greatly affect what we know in the cryptic community. I mean, yeah, it's true. Yeah, especially with the missing 401 stuff, it just pulls so much of it together. Yeah.

One last thing about that part. The craziest detail was how he was talking about. with the pull-offs, they would, like, go for the back of the neck. And, like, the people that work in that area, it got into the point where, like, they had special coverings over their neck area. Rubber-a-as neck. Yeah, which is what a crazy detail, right? Yeah, and that these creatures, yeah, I'll say that. But, like, they're real sensitive to fire, because I think this is important for people's survival.

Fire and bismet ammo. something to do with the magnetics of it. See, I put the video out, and I can't even remember exactly what he said. So one of them is paramagnetic and one of them is diamagnetic. And whichever one is the Bismuth Ammo magnetic, that's the one that these creatures are, he said they're, they don't do well. That kind of tears them apart. That's awesome. Yeah.

Oh, my goodness. What an amazing, an amazing story. I think I remember you alluded to in, what. one discussion I heard, and this may have been in coast to coast, but did you, you had an interaction with a shimmer or portal yourself in Colorado, right? Yes, yes. And see, when I started, when I had that encounter

that creature and started looking into all this, I didn't even know what missing 401 was. Oh, wow. So, I mean, I said this last night, it seems almost like it's faded, which makes me super uncomfortable because this is not what I imagined myself doing. But here I am, you know,

and I love it. Like, I love investigating this stuff. So, yeah, I was 16 years old. I was in Colorado skiing. And I wasn't a really skilled skier at that time. So I had a friend, she and I found this little bunny slope. And you could go down this trail and kind of, you know, it would propel you forward because we were just horrible at skin.

So we went through and we were going back for another round and we're kind of, you know, going over these hills. and there's a group of people just stopped in the middle of it. And I guess they were just looking. I mean, it was beautiful, but we each had to hug a tree to stop from running into them. And so, I mean, it hurt, right? Because we were going pretty fast.

Yeah, yeah. After that, we took our skis off to walk. And, like, the around us, there was a sound, like a low, it sounded like a kikata, but, okay, it sounded like a bees buzzin, but with the base of a Cacada. It's hard to explain. Oh, sure, yeah. Yeah, but it was like, I mean, this rumble kind of like humming sound.

And we couldn't really tell where it was, you know, we looked at one another and we're looking around. We can't tell where it's coming from. And then all of a sudden there's this. I mean, you look ahead on a hot day in the road and you see the heat wave, right? That's the closest thing I can think to compare it to. It was, I guess I'm not very tall at all. I'm like five to one. And so it was probably like mid,

mid torso to maybe like two feet above my head. It wasn't huge. But we're standing there like, you know, an awe. And she goes to put, she goes to touch it. And I remember thinking she was going to burn herself. I don't know why. She didn't burn herself. But I was thinking like it was like it happened in slow motion.

So she goes to put her finger through it. And then up to her knuckle, her finger just disappears. And at the end, she snatched it back really fast. and, you know, we kind of took off in the other direction. But, yeah, it was, it was crazy. And then when I, you know, as this has gone on, I have found out, well, there may actually be a connection between the creature I saw and what I saw.

I've got Chilvon's all over me. What I saw in Colorado. And a lot of people are like, oh, she's making it up. I'm not. I, you know, I would probably feel more comfortable if I thought all this was, you know, just fiction. But it's, it's been my experience. experience, right?

That is absolutely incredible. Yeah. You can see on YouTube, I put that, I put out a video. Okay, here's the way it went down. Hammerson Peters is a YouTuber and author. He's actually really good at what he does. Oh, we know. Yeah, okay.

We know Mr. Peters. Yeah, he wrote the foreword for my book. I was going to ask you about how you know him, because that's really cool. Yeah. Okay. So when I started looking into it and I had found some stories, read some stories, but I still needed somebody I felt like had some sort of authority to tell me I wasn't crazy. Okay. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I contacted him. I'm like, has anyone ever, and this was out of the blue, I didn't know him previously. I'm like, has anyone ever come to you with a story about, and I described as pale humanoid? And he's like, well, actually, they have. And so he, you know, he sends. Yeah, this guy in Canada, he's a miner in a diamond mine.

The minor thing comes up a lot. It's just crazy, all these things that connect. And I think David Politis says a lot that that's been his experience with the missing 401 stuff. Like, what are the odds? Right. He'll say that a lot. And I think this is what he's talking about because when you get deep into this and it's like there are things that happened in your life. And it seems like it's all kind of coming together in a you don't know what, but it's happening.

Um, but yeah, so the guy was a minor and he'd had an experience when he was driving home and some creature similar to what I saw kind of lunged at his truck and. Oh, wow. Yeah, so this was, um, offensive behavior and I didn't feel like my encounter was like that, but we know, we both described a similar entity. Um, and so he, he told me, so I got to talk to him and I'm like, you know, I've had weird stuff happen my whole life. And I told him about the portal story. And that was one of the first times I'd actually recounted it to someone outside of my immediate family. Right. And he, he says, you need to check out this missing

401 thing. And so he linked me to a video and I couldn't get it to play. And I was talking to one of my friends about it. And she's like, oh, yeah, I heard Dave Fulite is talking about that on coast to post. And she sends me a link. And so I'm watching it. And he tells a story about a hunter contacted him. And he was in Colorado. And he's walking. And he's walking. And he's. And he's, He comes, he hears a hum and sound. I mean, it's the exact thing. Wow. That's wild.

Yeah, he puts his foot up to this thing. His foot goes through it and disappears. And so he got out of there. But yeah, so then I was talking about it with Camerson Peters. And he's like, well, that's not what I sent you. I'm talking about something else. And he's talking about the woman who's hunting. And she's in her deer stands.

This is in the missing 401 movie. and she sees this like transparent something kind of go through the woods and she gets pictures of it. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it was all like, I don't know that I think what the woman saw was probably like something with a cloaking ability and what I saw was probably like. But it's the same kind of like light bending phenomenon, you know. So yeah, that was how I found out that missing 401 was the thing and that there may be some sort of connection. between all this stuff and cryptids and portals and who knows, right?

I don't think it's just one thing, but yeah. Man, that is so cool you were able to talk back and forth with Hammerson. Like, he is, I don't know if he realizes how respected he is in the cryptic community. There's a lot of people that look up to, like, respect him for the work he does. I'd love to talk to him someday if he's listening to this. but he just seems like he's a super cool guy. He is. I mean, he's so kind.

He plays the fiddle. I mean, he's just precious. Yeah, that's awesome. I'll drop your name and for sure let him know. Give me your email address or something. All right. Cool. Thank you.

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are all a lot of a retort. No, learn about the culebrilla of the way difficult. Talked on your doctor or pharmaceutical, patrocineated for GSK. My very first memory is paranormal. Oh, wow. Yeah, so I'm in this house with my parents.

And I was potty training, and I was four years old. and how I remember this, I don't know. But it's like my first, like as early as I can, as early back as I can remember, as far back as I can remember. This is the first thing I can, you know, this is the first thing that I can remember ever experiencing. But we come out of the bathroom and I'm looking ahead into the living room

and I say, who is that man? And they're like, of course, they're like, what man? And there was this, I call it a shadow figure, but I'm not sure that it doesn't really match the description of what a shadow figure is, kind of like darting around corners. It was just sitting there stationary, and it was sitting on this rock, and it was kind of leaned forward with its hand,

with its hand underneath its chin. And years later, I'm in the floor at my grandma's watching Nick, Nick at Night reruns or something like that. And this show called Dobie Gillis comes on. And I see this thinker statue, and I'm like, oh, my God, that's what I saw. Wow. And so I got kind of possessed by that for a while,

like looking online with all different kinds of, you know, search, search input, trying to find someone who saw something similar. And I did. And then six years later, I actually found that guy. So that's a whole other story, too. But the orb was when I was pretty small, probably six, seven. It would come in my room at night. It was just this white orb.

I called it Primo because I couldn't pronounce primordial. And that's just what it said its name was. It was the commute. Go ahead. No, keep going. I'm thinking in my head at the same time, but keep going with your story. Yeah, like the interactions were kind of telepathic, but it would go into my stomach and like I could ask questions. And if I was right, I would get this little vibration in my belly.

And still to this day, I don't know if it's still in there or what's going on. I haven't seen the actual orb since I was a kid. But I get a vibration in my belly when I'm like on the right path or I'm doing the right thing or I'm wondering about something if I should do this or that. And when I'm thinking about a certain thing, I'll get that same. kind of vibration. Was it ever dark, a dark orbit all, or is it always white? It was always white. No, that doesn't necessarily mean that it was, you know, people, I think a lot of people,

they attribute light to good and dark to evil, and that's not necessarily true, because that shadow thinker statue I saw, I didn't feel any kind of malevolence off of that. But I woke up one night, and there was this woman standing in front of my bed, and she was beautiful and glowing and completely evil, like completely evil. like completely evil. So, you know, that's not a, that I don't, I think that can kind of get people confused sometimes to think everything that's light and glowing is of God and everything dark is of Satan. I don't think that's accurate. Well, I mean, yeah, sometimes, sometimes evil will disguise itself as something that's beautiful.

Yeah, I mean, even in everyday life for sure. Yeah, yeah. That's true. Wow, we really went a lot of different places in this interview. This is amazing. Yeah. This is very, very, very cool. You've got an amazing story.

When does your book come out, Missy? January 17. Oh, wow, that's cool. Okay, so that actually, this interview will come out pretty close to that. That's awesome. And you said that potentially, so let's talk about, is there anything that? that you can give us about, like, is the book primarily focused on your debunking? Or can you give us anything about, like, what the actual book is about?

Yeah, sure. Okay. So my encounter is such a small part of it. Okay. Because it, you know, it's really not unique. The only thing that's unique about it is that I'm intense and I went way deep down looking into it. Definitely. So I talk about the encounter initially for context.

and then the, you know, how I found the trail stamp photo and that entire investigation and everything that unfolded around that. And then some correlations between, I mean, there, in a lot of stories, there seems to be a witness who's privy to some sort of information that rape hunt dogmen. So I go into that a bit. And then I have a lot of encounter stories. People have sent me. And so that's the end of the book, like a lot of people's. Missy. What's wrong?

You did. That's huge. That's, that's huge. Yeah. So you're like, the book is like you sharing stuff that people, that's awesome. Yeah. You need to be like shouting that from the rooftops. Like, hey, this is new stuff. This is awesome. Yeah. I'm pumped. Yeah. I know. Like I didn't realize it was, that part was unique really until recently. But a lot of these stories nobody has ever heard before because these people hadn't told them before. And like I had to get permission. But I have, you know, All my permissions are in order. And yeah, so that's the end of it. But, you know, it wouldn't have been complete with just my story because this is an actual phenomenon. This is going on. Oh, this book is going to be amazing. Everyone definitely needs to check this out. You can pre-order a copy right now, actually, from what I remember.

Yeah, the Kendall version. And hopefully there might even be a volume two. We'll see. It seems like it, yeah. Once you start falling some more potential, some leads, who knows. Yeah, I'm going to, you and I are going to say, we're friends now, whether you like you're not. Oh, I know. I know.

Yeah. For sure. I think this has been an extremely good chat, Missy. I'm so glad that you agreed to come on. Do you mind sharing how people can keep up to date with what is you're doing? Anything else you want to plug, YouTube stuff. like that. Yeah, so I have Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook, but I'm not

very active on those. I kind of loathe our carefully curated social media existence. So, I mean, I do post, but not often. Most of the time it's going to be YouTube or my website. But I mean, on Facebook Messenger, if people wanted to

contact me directly, they could do that or they could get in touch with me through my website. But mainly the content I put out is on YouTube. That's awesome. And it's just Missy. I think it's Missy Sterling. I think it's Missy Lee Sterling.

I'm not really sure exactly which it is, but one of those. And if people are like, I've got a pale crawler story I've never shared because I haven't been able to talk to the right person. How can they share their story with you? Yeah. So they want to just like type it out. There's a section on my website where it says submit your story. So it's pretty good. It's pretty obvious.

But if they would rather like talk, because there have been a lot of people who I've actually just transcribed it for them because they didn't feel like typing all that. So if they want to get in touch with me through that form on my website, we can have a phone call and I can transcribe it. Or if they just want to tell it and they don't want it shared, I mean, I'm always cool with that too. So my website is Missylee sterling.com. It's M-I-S-S-S-S-Y-L-I-G and then just Sterling like silver. S-T-E-R-L-I-N-G. that's awesome and if there's listeners where you have weird stories or stuff that you've heard from the area that she's at or the area in Louisiana you need to get in touch with her and let her know because she might not know those stories yet so that's how stuff gets figured out everyone starts sharing their stories but thank you so much for coming on missy this has been a super fun chat and i'm sure we'll be keeping in touch and maybe get an update in the future. Thank you for listening to Bigfoot Society. If you like the show,

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