Bigfoot Society - Montana Bigfoot DNA Discovery / Unseen Sasquatch Trail Cam Photos / Ken Medsker

Episode Date: June 16, 2023

Ken Medsker is a Montana based Bigfoot expert and researcher with the Montana Bigfoot International Research Group. You can hear more from Ken in Episode 220 of Bigfoot Society. Ken returns this episode to reveal the findings of his Bigfoot DNA testing and reveals some intense trail cam photos that have yet to be seen anywhere else.Exclusive information... only on the Bigfoot Society Podcast!NOTE: TO SEE KEN'S TRAIL CAM PHOTOS AND MORE PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO VERSION OF THE INTERVIEW PREMIERING AT 4:30 PM CST on 6/15/23 HERE:https://youtu.be/AxMMpkixPFsKeep an eye on Ken's website as he will be posting more info related to the DNA project and the results there as they become available to him from the labs.Resources: Ken's Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/673490389991612 Ken's Website - https://www.themontanabigfootresearchgroup.com~ Support Bigfoot Society with a one-time donation by sending us a coffee over at our Buy Me a Coffee page. We appreciate that cup of Joe! https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyIf you want even more exclusive content, become a Patreon member and gain access to extra audio, a Patron-only Discord and much more over at https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyDo you have a personal Bigfoot encounter you would like to submit for me to share on the podcast? Please head over to www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com and fill out the "Share your Bigfoot Encounter" form. Use as much detail as you can and please specify if you would prefer to remain anonymous or what specific name you would like used with your encounter if it is chosen to be shared.Join our private Facebook group "Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters" for a chance to connect with others who have had similar experiences. Follow the directions to ensure your entry is accepted.https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_linkTune in to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q) for new episodes of Bigfoot Society, and visit our website (www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com) for all the links mentioned above and more. Don't miss out on the Bigfoot action!--Affiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you. -- MY GEAR-- My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYMy Podcast Mic: https://amzn.to/3AlYwb9My Computer: https://amzn.to/40CCjQyMy Headphones: https://amzn.to/40A8gcr My Webcam: https://amzn.to/3NqfddhThe best Bigfoot book: https://amzn.to/41x8IcNLose the weight along with me on Noom. Get 20% off your subscription with link below. (Consult your doctor first) https://noom.com/r/GdkaWNddL?1251Join Whatnot and pick up some sweet video games and vintage shirts. Use my link below and we both get $10 credit after you place your first order. https://whatnot.com/invite/bigfootsociety

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Wow. Can you... Okay, I'm going to ask questions, and you can shut me down. What they're going to do is... Yeah. They're doing four months. look for the testing, I will receive a preliminary DNA results from the labs. All right, Bigfoot, you've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Ken Metzker again from the Montana

Bigfoot International Research Group. How's it going, Ken? It's going really good. It's going really good, Jeremiah. Awesome. And we had talked way back, uh, I looked it up in my records and it was about 43 or 44 episodes ago, episode 220 back in February, I think, the Montana episode. And a lot of people really liked that one. But you had, you know, I was out on the town Saturday night. I got a message from Ken. He was like, we got to talk. It's pretty important. I was like, oh, man, if Ken says it's important, we got to chat. So we set something up pretty quick. But Ken, what brings you back, man? How's it going in Montana? It's going good. Like I was telling you, I just come out of 11 days in the swan here in western Montana. Oh, wow. We had a base camp.

We did recover SCAT, which I did send out to four labs, and they're coded due to confidentiality. I call them Alpha Bravo, Charlie, and Delta, and I'll give you the preliminary results from them. also some photographs and video. I couldn't find the one video that was recorded, was sent to a photo analyst. Oh, wow. And we had a lot happen. Yeah.

Let's start with, so the listeners are on board with us. Talk a little bit about what exactly the swan is. Okay, the swan, if you go up the Blackfoot River, you swing north through Cedar Lake, Big Salmon, Cedar Lake, you'll take you all the way up into East Glacier. So you can go into Glacier Park there and then on into Canada from there. You'll cross over the divide and you drop into eastern Montana. The swan, it nestles between the Mission Mountains and the Swan Range, which is a backbone of the Bob Marshall Wilderness. So there's a massive area, a lot of small lakes, streams in there within a radius of 10 miles of location, which I'm not going to give out, because I don't want everybody going in there right now with what's coming.

There's probably 10 or 11 streams, 9, 10 lakes, small lakes. Now, those are now critical, and I'll explain that when we get to the DNA and what they're, are requesting the lots are requesting for me. Gotcha. So it's not easy to get to this area is what I'm picking up. Well, you can drive right up through the middle of it. We're going to main highways, the off-roads. Some of them are good, some require four-wheel drive.

All right, fair enough. And what was it that first drew you to this area to look for Bigfoot in this area called the Swan, Ken? Well, the two years ago, remember the video of the juvenile that came into the can. Yes. That's what Jeff had talked to me about. He had seen footprints in the snow, just basically in the same area. So we decided, let's do our first initial investigation in the swan.

And after that, I've returned two, three times a year. This year is more productive because I spent 11 days. Gotcha, gotcha. So where would you like to start, sir? Would you like to talk about who is with you in the swan or what the plan of attack in the swan was? Or what would you like to start with? Well, let's take, I had mentioned in the previous one, the St. Mary's, I was doing field research on my son's, stepson's wife's property. Okay.

And I sent you the two photographs. It was taken off the same trail cam. Yep. The top one, anybody that looks at it, you actually see the shoulder and the hair and the side of the neck as it walked up to the camera. Let me see if I can. All right, next one. Yep, okay. Here we go.

That one. All right. If you see on it, you can see the shoulder and the neck. Now, what really we didn't see it at first is the next one. if you look at it and enlarge it, you can actually see the fingernail of the big foot, his arm, and hair,

and how muscular that arm is. Oh. You're talking about, is it, it's in the, let's say if there's four quadrants to the photo, the upper left.

Yeah. Upper left. You see the fingernail. Oh, I can actually do, okay. So that's a thing. So usually, Ken,

when I get photos like, this, I'm like, okay, where's the red circles? But I'm like, I, I picked up on that before you said anything. I was like, what's going on in that upper left quadrant? That's really, really interesting. That is definitive proof of Bigfoot on that property. Man. There is no if and buts about what that hand is. And as far as I know, this is the first actual photograph of a fingernail of Bigfoot. Wow. How high was this off the ground? This chariotamble is seven feet off the ground. Oh, wow.

And what's really neat about it, it's not a blurry photograph. You can see the hair on the arm. I'll think that arm is. The hair on the hand, the shoulder, and everything. Man, that's wild. That's really crazy. These haven't been shared anywhere, have they? Except to the groove site.

Oh, yeah. right to the Montana group, of course. Yeah. Man. So, yes. Your viewers, this is the first time anybody outside of the group has actually seen these two photographs. Wow. I'm sure you had these analyzed in certain ways.

Yes. They're more impressive on a 75-inch TV. I'm sure they are. Yes, I did. And it's confirmed. It can be the only one thing. big foot. It's not human. It's not a bear. The fact that that's a round fingernail like us, like our human, almost sapiens, pretty much says a story in itself. Wow. It's not a claw,

like you think in a bear, mountain lion, whatever. It's a round fingernail like ours. I mean, it's wild because it's like I'm trying to think of things that it could be. And it's like, I can't think of alternatives. That is wild, man. Now you've got to realize between that photograph just before that, where you've got the whole shoulder. Yep, here it is. There is seven second delay between that picture and the one with the hand.

Wow. Where he's reaching towards that camera. So the camera is focused forward, is seven feet off the ground. you're seeing the shoulder of something. Yes. And then you said, was it seven seconds later? How many seconds later was the delay?

Seven seconds later, it's pointing, reaching towards trail count. Yep. So we got the photo straight on. Then it's reaching towards something. You can see it's finger near, thumbnail. Oh, man, that's wild. Yeah, it's a fingernail. It's confirmed.

It's a fingernail. it looks like it might be this one, the index finger. Yeah. Let's go back to it. He's doing this. Let's go back to it here. There we go. Wow.

So trail cam at seven and a half feet off the brown, at the angle of the hand and everything, he was taller than that because it looks like he's reaching down to it. It's not a bear. No. That's not even close to a bear's hand. Like, right. That doesn't even make sense because bears have claws.

Unless someone is in a big foot cost, like it just, that doesn't even make sense. You got to remember, this is private property. And that was the only one allowed in there to do field research. So let's talk. So it's private property. Are there a lot of neighbors around or is it pretty remote or what's? It's pretty remote. There are some neighbors, but they're not real close to this, this, uh, 20 acres.

And if you look, you see in that one photograph of the shoulder, you can see how heavy the forest is there, the timber on that property. There is areas where I talked before about the log being thrown at us. Oh, yeah. It's more open. And that's in a logged out area on the property. But this is what the property, especially down along the stream, looks like. Wow. Have there been reports of Bigfoot messing around on this property, Ken?

Yes. Really? Yeah. A screaming beating on the side of the house and everything. Oh, you got to tell me about that, dude. Yeah. Well, like I said, I'm not in really good faith with his wife right now. Okay.

That's fine. I respect that, yeah. No, no, no. Because we're doing that night investigation. Yeah. She's a major in the military, so she thought she was going to be in charge. I point in my fingers is there's only one person in charge here and that's me and that's not you. Oh, man.

I know. I can't keep my mouth shut. But they sold the properties and now I don't have access. But as far as I'm concerned and I do have Native American consultants within the group now and they all, this is exactly what they've seen on a big foot. This is a big foot. So they have seen stuff that is similar to this in the same region is what you're saying. No, this is my Native Americans are Black Peak, Kree, Arapahoe, Apache, Navajo, Sue, and Cheyenne. They're my consultants.

I turn to the people that according to their legend and their stories is, Bigfoot was already in North America when they made the crossing on the land, the land bridge. Really? Bigfoot was already here. Now, since we talked, they did find, they always said there was no primates in North America. This spring, they found small primate fossils in northern Canada. Now they found larger primate fossils in a boat basin in Wyoming. Wow.

So it puts primates in North America. Now there's testing they're doing to try to determine how old these fossils are. Their jaw bones and stuff like that. Is their DNA? We don't know. Have you sent these photos to any, what we'd say in quotes, bigfoot experts or anything to have a look at them? Or these really aren't out there yet at all?

They're not out there yet. Oh, my goodness. All right, Jeremiah, you and your group, that's what, we're going to be watching this, are the first to see these two photographs outside of the group members. All right. Thanks, Ken. That's awesome, man. That's rock and roll. I mean, you look at that.

Other than a human, a primate, and Bigfoot only have rounded fingernails. I can't wait. for, I had no solid 10 guys that are going to be like, let me at these photos. I want to tear them apart. Like, it's going to be amazing. Yeah, but it's not going to be able to. It's going to be tough. Like, that's wild, dude.

Yeah. Yes, nobody in a costume. You cannot do a fingernail like that in a costume. Because if you look real close, you'll see where it's been cracked, the lines and everything. Yeah. Wow. Wow. They're on the right side of the fingernail.

You'll see the cracks. And then if you really look close, you'll see the cracks on the side. Yeah. And if you look close, you'll actually see lines down the fingernail like ours. My goodness. Oh. Go ahead and try to tear that apart.

That's going to be some fun, man. Wow. Okay. So I know we can't talk a lot about it. But so you're saying that. When this person owned the property, they were getting slaps on the side of their house and they were getting vocalizations. Yeah. Now, you got to realize back then, the first field trips where I got that one, something in a different location, black stooped overwalk by the trail camp.

At that time, they had 20 forest fires around the St. Mary's area. Okay. And what brought me over there was we, I honestly think, I couldn't do. the vocalizations from then, they did their phones inside the house, they're too afraid to go outside. Probably two groups on verbal conflict, a group moving through the area, because this group's the local group. This is their territory. Life with CIDP can be tough, but the Thrive Team, a specialized squad of experts, helps people living with CIDP make more room in their lives for joy. Watch Rare, well done.

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Not something knocking on the side of their house and all that. And then they, of course, he asked me to go in, which, well, the wife was still alive. We went over and we spent what, I think that was a three, four-day trip the first time to get a rough area. The second trip was after the wife had passed away. I went over and put out more trail camps. Now, I've increased our trail camps to 10 instead of five. Plus, we have new equipment now. I went ahead and bit the bullet, and I now have a thermal imaging unit for at night.

Oh, okay. I've got a sounding recording device that comes on automatically when there's any voice sound. Real small I can put in somewhere. It has an external mic on a six-foot cord, so I can have the two of them separate. I can basically guide the recorder itself. Ken, when you were there for the 11 days, did you see any other evidence that would also, you know, did you see any tracks, anything else that was like, wow, okay, there's besides this trail camp photo, there's definitely some stuff going on here, besides anecdotal evidence from. Yeah, like I said, this was in St. Mary's. Now we'll get to the photos from the salon.

Okay. Now, they are, let me get to them, because I got them on my laptop. Okay. You really have to look good on, back out of that to the first one, daylight. Let's see. All right, it's the second one. It says muddy at the bottom. Oh, yep.

this one. No, that I'll get you because I can't explain that one. How about this one? All right. Let's see. Go to the next one. All right. This one.

All right. Now, if you really look at that. Okay. And my Blackfeet consultant, he spotted them. I'm doing it first. There's one standing upright in the tree. And then down lower is a smaller one. Look, and if you bring it in close,

You can see the eyebrows on both of them. Go over, go over, go over. It's on the left, right, yeah. Straight, straight in there. Oh, right there. Yeah, right there. Oh, man. And look what's above it.

To the right. Okay. Oh, right here. Right there. Wow. According to the photo analyst, there's possibly another one in there. He can't verify, but there's definitely two. Ken, that's wild.

Yeah, these, these were taken during the day. And the trail cam was probably 75 yards away. So especially, especially the one where it's the first one that got pointed out. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what to think of that, man. Like, there are people that are going to try to tear this apart super bad. But it's like, I personally, I think that it's almost like you can see. see a face of some sort right there.

And it's a distance. You've got to realize. Yeah. It's the distance. These aren't taking up close. Man, that's wild. Not like that hand and that other, that shoulder. That's close.

These are at a distance. My Native American running crane, he's the one that spotted both of those. Okay. Now, little history about him, him and his, he has a team on the Blackfeet Reservation, Eastern Montana. they do Bigfoot research on the Native Americans reservations throughout the West. And I have been fortunate to be invited this summer to come over and spend five days with them doing field research, which I will be doing. Wow.

I have an opportunity. I'm not going to pass up. Yeah. These guys are my consultants. Their history is far along than ours. or knowledge of them. A question about this photo. Did you try to see if you could figure out exactly how high off the ground that thing that looks like a facial?

We're going to get there? Okay. Okay. Now you're going to go down to one. Let me find it. Okay. No. Oh, I know this one probably.

Yeah. All right. That's just beyond there. I'm five foot nine. Okay. And if you look straight ahead, where that base and everything's out. Let's see. I'm going to go back and forth.

Straight ahead. Yeah. That's taller than me. Man. It definitely is. Yeah. Wow. I didn't realize that that trail cam took picture of me.

That's my youngest daughter that come with me. So that gives you a good reference point of height. Very, very interesting. Yeah. And I'm sorry. I don't care what anybody says. I know what we're dealing with. I agree with running crane.

It is something there. Is it Bigfoot? We're not going to commit to saying yes. I wanted to... Now, if you go down a little bit farther... Real quick, I wanted to go back and forth between this one. Okay. And this.

Okay. Interesting. Yeah, it's okay. Because I'm just looking between the two real quick. Yeah. I don't see it. I don't see it in this one. Yeah.

It wasn't there when we walked after setting the trail count. She's carrying the trail counselor. There it is. Man, I don't know, man. That's wild, Ken. Yeah. I told my members I will not circle anything. Yeah, sure.

I want them to look because when they do. field research, we see stuff like this. It's not circle. You're looking at it in its natural environment. I don't care what the skeptics say. I already have had this analyzed. And it come back as a bipedal creature. Wow.

Remind me, this is also on the same property or this is the difference? This is up in the swan. Okay, this is my 11-day trip. Okay. Wow. Now, if we go to, after that one with the fingernail, skipped with my hand. Yep. The next one.

Okay. That was on the side of the mortar home. So this occurred when you were there at the Swan researching. Yes. Yes. Okay. Now, my consultants said, try to get a comparison. Right.

So if you look at the next one, that's my hand at the palm of it. Looking forth a few times. Interesting. Do you think there's, so where your pinky is, do you think that's more of a thumb? I think he put his hand just like this. Let me look at your screen real quick. Okay.

Because a palm would be at the base. Go back to it. Let me go back to it. Yep, yeah. It's down at the base here. Kind of under that. smiley face. So that would be his pinky or maybe his left hand.

I'm not sure. But we did the size comparison with my hand to show how big it is compared to my hand. Gotcha. Did you try to get any lift any fingerprints or anything from it? No. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Gotcha.

My fingerprint powder is kind of like a rock right now because I have used it. So I get some more. I've got everything to do fingerprints. And now it's just getting some more, the powder, order some powder so I can dust it. And then I can take whatever that is, something like that, I can take, you know, an impression of. So how, how, what, if you were to measure, let's say, from the length of your, your middle finger down to the base of the wrist. Normal-sized hand or what are we looking at?

Yeah, let me get a tape measure out in the door, just a second. Yeah, you got it. Okay, if we take a tape measure from index finger to the base of the palm, a human hand is seven inches. Okay. That's taller than seven inches. Yeah, totally. you're talking nine plus i'd say nine 10 inches oh sure yeah i would i would agree with you and let's see

you can see you know the very top yeah yeah i mean you can make out you can make out different fingers there i would say yes now the unusual thing about it you had got to it is we didn't notice it let me get to it the one picture the side of the mortar home with the cloud? Yes, this guy. The mortar home was not running. Okay. Okay.

Janet Reader was not running. What is that? It was just after that we found the handprint. So, okay, that's weird. So did you have a fog or mist that day? No. Really? I mean, it was so clear.

Late afternoon, we got Sunday. storms and rain and night was so crystal clear you could actually see part of a northern lights the orange bands dancing across the sky and everything well ken that that info doesn't make this any easier uh that's weird man what did i tell you before you have more questions and answers yeah oh we haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet so okay yeah before we get that so you're saying that this mist was around your trailer and then you found the handprint

on the side. Yes. Was the, I'm sure you got a good look at the handprint. Was it like, was it debris or was it a mud or did you notice anything? It looked muddy. Yeah. And we'd

had rain and stuff. Okay. Definitely has that color, doesn't it? Yeah. Which would make sense. Hmm. I mean, I've got videos the rain is so heavy it triggered the trail cam. The rain's coming straight down. Wow.

I went to retrieve the trail cams and I'll soak from my feet to my chest and how wet it got up there. That's some wild things. Let's answer this question now because I don't want to get 5,000 emails. Where can people find these photos if they want to analyze them? Because I know that I'm going to get like 20,000. thousand people are going to be like, hey, hook me up with those photos so I can rip them apart. Well, all photos, they have to get my permission. Yep.

Okay. So it's going to be through you probably. I will be putting them on the domain. Yep. Because I'm upgrading the domain we have. Okay. And they'll be available on there. But all I ask is be respectful, have an open mind because we're not all going to see the same thing.

Perfect. And all this stuff has been sent to somebody who. That's what he does for a business is analyze photos and videos. Okay. Okay. So you're dealing with a professional photograph analyst guy as well. Can you tell me anything about that gentleman? I'll give it briefly.

He also does a video and photo analyst for the news stations here in Missoula. Okay. So he knows what he's doing. And he's really a nice guy. and it's really nice is I'm not going to say it because he

is called an end but he when my friend talked to him about he said yeah he'd take a look at it for me wow because he is interested in big foot so just say one more time

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But I won't be giving these out to anyone. Yeah. It's like next step, I will cover, I think, well, I had one of my members, Stan joined me. but when he joined us everything changed the mountains went quiet really yeah and according to my consultant a person put out a negative energy and things changed that fast so this is your your native american consultant you're talking about well i i don't i i talk to my native american consultants because they are the ones with the knowledge oh sure exactly yeah and this is another member from eastern Montana that have come over.

Okay, got it, got it. Okay. He come in on Saturday. He booked really fast on Thursday, and I can't figure that out. There is a video and I can't find it. He squared it's Bigfoot in the camp. It's not.

It's him walking. I'd never know on a Bigfoot to use a flashlight at night. Well, I mean. Come on. Ken, I think that's pretty smart that unless someone might say, oh, well, it's an orb, but if you're pretty sure it's a flashlight, then that's kind of a case closed one.

My analysis is a flashlight. Yeah, yeah. Plus, I send him my profile and Stan's profile. And Stan's profile matched what was walking. Wow. Through the camp. So this is not done by on the fly. I said, that's 11 days and then going through and then sending out everything.

Now, when he left on Thursday, Friday morning, it's when it got really interesting. Really? Yeah. I'm going to describe, I stepped out of the mortar home. You know what he hit me? A skunky, rotten. What? A skunky, rotten, decaying, moldy, smell that hung in the air for three hours.

I spoke with my consultant and he said there was a big foot around that camp right standing there watching me wow yeah that's not a good sign when you know that that type of smell hits you out of nowhere yeah

and then that night for the hell of it instead of using my lumen bat on a tree I beat on a rock I did one knock, I got a knock back. I did two knocks, I got two knocks back. Really? Yeah, from south of us. Oh, no.

Wow. So the other thing, too, you'd hear birds that weren't birds. Okay. Which sounds like a coyote, but wasn't a coyote. Can you explain that to me a little bit, Ken? Bigfoot is known to mimic animals. Sure. Birds, all, coyotes, wolves.

They're capable of mimicking other species. Right. Like many others, like chimpanzees, that they will mimic humans. Is Bigfoot had the capability? Yes. I'm actually working on a theory. Their tree knocks, is it a form of primitive Morse code? We develop Morse code for emergencies and to sell, send across,

delography. Is it a form of it? That's in some theory I'm working on now. That's interesting. There has to be, and even writing, current degree, they have to have a way of communicating. Is it through a system

like a Morse code that we don't understand? I mean, it's not, it's, I don't think it's out of the question. I mean, who is to say that I mean so boy okay hold on I don't feel you head too but hold on hold on okay here we go so I mean I so hypothetically I don't think it's out of the question where you could have a creature where it's like one knock means something two knock means another I know that the Olympic project has found areas where there was almost like a sentry that was watching the nests and they found, I believe, rocks that could be used for rock clacking. I don't think it's out of the question that a creature like that could have figured out

a communication type style. Now, Bruce Dunn, which is part of our group, he also has his own group. he has heard a rhythm to not clap a rhythm. Really? Yes. And he's trying to get back in there to try to record it. But there's definitely a pattern to those rocks being hit together. I mean, we're in such a new area right now.

It's hard to explain. Sometimes you just got to go with your feeling. Sure. Were you able to record any vocalizations during your time around there? No. No. Okay. That's why I ordered this real special recorder in the external mic, so I can put it away from camp. Now, I'm going to be doing like Running Crane, my Blackfeet consultant said, we're going to try to draw them into the camp. Okay. Okay. play music, I'll put toys out.

Because they do like it. Well, I have a whole bunch of ducks because I now have a Jeep Wrangler. I told me in the mortar home. Right. So the Jeep guys have the ducks. Yeah. Yeah, we ducks. So I've got ducks that squeak.

So I've got ducks out, playing music and everything, trying to bring them into the camp. Now, we'll have five trail camps looking into the camp, five looking out of the camp. Nice. Oh, that's awesome. Dude, have you ever thought of playing audio like baby cries or anything like that? I did. I tested them here at the house, like the Sierra sounds and all that. I guess the PA system through the CB works really good because I had every dog within three blocks barking.

Oh, I did. Yeah. Yeah. So I did a little, I wanted to, but the weather didn't allow me to. And there again, I have to be cautious when I'm out there because of my health, the heart. Yeah, no, definitely. I know we've, we have talked before. So you had, you use Sierra sounds.

I, you know, something that I'm going to, I'm going to try it when I go back out next. And we'll see what happens, Ken. But a few people were like, you got to use try the human baby cries because it does, it does something. I did. response. Okay. Yeah. Now we sat one night, Kim, myself and Stan, I put the TV outside. We watched the movie Meg. Okay. I mean, we're not a rough way to go on a base camp, right? So now my question is, is it possible that one was watching? Not other question. Not other question. They are very, according to running crane and others, they are very curious about us. Yes, absolutely. If they do not feel threatened by us, they will start coming around. And now I have the advantage.

My mortar home has been there enough times. They're used to it. That's true. If you're using the same one, they're going to be used to it, aren't they? Do you always, are you always out there the same amount of days or? This is the longest. Yeah. This is the longest one.

Okay. Interesting. Yeah. I planned an 11-day trip this time. My youngest daughter, Kim, come up with me. You know, me get set up. We put out the trail camps. She's the one you see walking with me to where those two are at.

Yeah. And then my oldest daughter has come up on Monday for a couple of days and then two of them come back because little Kim, she had to get ready to start a new job. Sure. So I had her with me. and that do you guys do anything with putting out like gifting areas or anything like that i put two apples on top of the mortar home when one was taken okay interesting was it what was it near

where the um mist is at it was right above that handprint oh geez ken all right now in note That window, that window is the window that that Bigfoot was smelling my white two years ago. Oh, right. Oh, my goodness. Oh, man. I dare people to dispute this. My response to him, come with me for 11 days and see what happens. Man.

I challenge them. Come with me. It gets, the more we talked, it does get weird and weird. Did you notice any, let's go down the list, any like weird breaks and trees or any tree-related structures or anything I thought? A couple tree breaks. I didn't have the camera, my phone with me, which I didn't have my 35 millimeter either. Okay. Which I have to start carrying one of them with me.

Definitely. Oh, definitely. So everything we look at right now is actually based off the trail cams and what we witnessed, I witnessed and experienced. And like I told you, I don't care what people say. I know what I experienced. I've been dealing with Bigfoot for a long time. Oh, sure. I'm not an expert.

I have knowledge of Bigfoot now. And every time we go on the field research, things are different. this next one i'm actually building a slide of hairs human bear deer elk horse on slides i have a microscope with the camera it's a biological microscope that's electronic okay i can look at the hair underneath it human hair has a black core they say bigfoot does it sure when when you're out in the swan area did you uh notice anything that you would have interpreted as a track or anything of that type of thing? Well, the problem I had with Stan is he'd take off. And he'd come back and he said he thought he saw a big foot track next to a grisly track.

I can't verify it because he never told me where he was going, which broke a rule, the major road of the group. Yeah. Because if you take off without letting me or somebody know, something happens to you, I have no idea where to look. So here's this. If I'm there and I know there's Grizzlies around, I'm probably not going to be doing that, but that's on him.

But I can understand why you wouldn't want a guy just going off by himself. No, we were warned when Kim and I got up to the first night, there'd been a big bored grizzly sighted a mile north of us to be aware of it. Wow. Now should we get to the scat? Yeah, let's keep going. Definitely.

Yeah. right. We found Scat. Okay. And it is, let me get out the, it is approximately 15 inches long. Really? Yeah. Wow. And about that big around.

Great. Okay. I showed my native consultant. And he said the first question was Ernie Barry's in. And I went, no, it looks like hair. He said, it's not a bear. Interesting. Now, that's what I sent samples to four labs.

Like I told you, they're quoted Alpha, Alfa, Bravo, Charlie, and David. Okay. The preliminary result is unknown species. Okay. Oh, boy. So really, really can? Yes. Wow.

Can you, okay, I'm going to ask questions. you can shut me down. What they're going to do is, they're doing for the testing. I really see a preliminary DNA results from the labs. But right now, three of them is unknown species

and one cannot be determined. I ask them, is it a bear? No, is it a feline? No, it's not in the DNA database. Can you share anything about what kind of labs they were that you send them to. DNA labs. Okay.

So just basic round the mill DNA labs. No, let's put it this way. It costs me $500 donation to each one. I put out $2,000 to get the results. Fair enough. And they ask express confidentiality. And they also warn me to be real careful who I talk to because the government doesn't want us to know what's going on.

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These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. That is dealing with DNA that you sent it to. This is an actual laboratory that is not an individual. Right. Respected labs. So that should take care of any questions that are coming up in people's minds right now. They asked me, well, what about when I first talked to them, I said, well, even the plenary where I have an idea. And they said, well, you know, you can always send a donation.

Sometimes that helps. So I sent, you think? Weird. Yeah, so I did, but they also warned me. Now, two of them are sending the equipment to collect water samples from all the streams in that area to give a 10-mile range. Why? For E-DNA. Really?

If Bigfoot's there, steps in that water. that DNA is going to be in the water. Yeah. So now I'm waiting for the equipment. Then I'm going back. Okay. Now I know why you were like, we need to chat. Yeah.

This is pretty wild, Ken. And you know, I'm putting you exactly what took place. I told you, I'm not having to make, be famous or anything. But we're getting the evidence whether people want to accept it or not. No, it's like, we're out there doing it. I can vouch for you because I've been in your group since, since February. And it's like you're genuine salt of the earth type guy. And it's like you can tell if someone's trying to like get on like fill in the name of TV show pretty quick.

You know, and that is not the case. You're just trying to figure out what in the world's going on in Montana to do with. Bigfoot. That's what you're doing. Yeah. Wow. It's like that article I sent you that link. Yep.

Somebody's mutilating cattle out of Great Falls. Oh, yeah. What's going on? They really said, they really said undiscovered unknown species of animal. Unknown species. Yep. Unknown species. Charlie come back as cannot be determined further testing needed.

in how many different labs came back with that again four all four all four and are they are they in different parts of the u.s or are they all yeah they are four locations and they know when i sent the samples i didn't tell them i sent samples to other labs man that's wild dude yeah How long ago did you find this out? Oh, just something about two weeks ago. Then I said, when I told you, we need to talk. I just found out. I just found out from Charlie the other day. That's one that cannot be determined.

Man. Need further testing. So now I know why you're trying to lock down where, exactly it is because you don't want the great Montana Bigfoot DNA gold rush of 2023 happening. Even my consult running cranes agrees. We're on to something. Is it Bigfoot?

We're not going to say, yes. We don't know. It may be something else. We don't know at this stage. All we know is we have an unknown species in the Swan Valley. So here's the thing. So what I'm sure you looked into this, what other animal leaves a scat that is 15 feet long? You said it's 15 feet long.

All right. No. Yeah. 15 inches long. Now you're ready for this? I'm sorry, 15 inches like, my bad. I compared it to Bear Scat. Okay.

On the road. It didn't match the Bear Scat. Man. Bear Scat was in a pile. this was laying on the ground like what we would do when nature calls that's another good question so let's talk about that so and that's right we're all adults so we can talk about this so what it was it was uh kind of laid out in a line it was not enough line it was laying like if i had to take number two right sometimes it's like a log best way to describe it It just lays there. This is the way it was. Bear scat it compared to as in a pile.

Exactly. That's the difference. And talking to a running crane, he agrees. It's not a bear. So your knowledge of the nature, the animals of Montana, there are no other animals that would lay it out like that. A bear might. Okay.

If it got constipated or got stuffed up. Sure. But no, most, most game that I've come across in my years of hunting, trapping, and fishing, is generally in a pile. It may be a scattered pile, but it's not laid flat like this. Man, 15 inches long. Yeah. Now, the thing is, your question should be, do I have more of it? Right.

And I'm going to say, yes, it's kind of frozen. I told my girls, that's not a Hershey bar in there, her payday bar. I was going to say the people that are using the same freezer must absolutely love you, Ken, right now. It must be like, Ken, what are you doing? Well, I'm following advice by my consultants. Right. Save everything you can get. Yeah.

Oh. Save everything. I just thought of another thing to ask you about evidence. Are they, any weird hair or anything? I couldn't find any. Okay. I mean. Gotcha.

The amount, like my U.S. star will tell you, the thunder and the lightning and the rain. Sure. It saturated to everything. Okay. Now, if we're still getting rain, but it should slack off, now that I have the thermal imaging unit, and it's capable of seeing a thermal image up to 300 yards. That's going to depend on how thick the forest is,

everything. I've got this new listening device. It's recorder. Okay. All right. I've got my microscope, the camera come for it. I have to get a new laptop, so it's with me. I have to download a program into it and into this tower. So when I do the hair, examine hair and everything, I'm looking at it on a big screen. And I can take pictures. Yeah. Yes, we've advanced. going back to the scat how tell me again where it was found was it close to the camp or was it far away he's about 50 yards from the camp okay interesting and that was before stan arrived and we never told him about it somebody told me not to tell him don't sit there in camp and tell me you're an expert when you're physically not capable of going out and doing it.

Right. That's probably a whole different story. Yeah, we won't go there. I was getting so frustrated with him. Yeah, let's not go there. Yeah, but I was so glad when he just, I'm leaving. Oh, good thing. All right.

But after that's when everything changed, the smell came into the camp. I mean, I've smelled this smell before. And I have no doubt. So you're saying the musky smell came back. after the individual left. Yes. Really? Or was it,

it was for the first time that that smell came into place? Yes. Wow. Morning morning. Now, it's the same smell as the one that I talked about in DeVorgia, Crystal Lake.

Right. When the window's going towards me, it's identically the same smell, skunky, rotten, decaying, moldy. It can, if you got a weak stomach,

it's going to turn your stomach. Mm. And it, almost three hours it was in camp people are probably going to ask did you have did you take any pictures of this gap yes okay cool but there again i will be posting right all that yeah i would assume you'd probably want to keep an eye on the montana uh crew uh website to that'll probably be posted eventually maybe Yeah, gotcha. I'm redoing the domain.

Cool. Because they sold the company sold to another one. They made a little more complicated. So I'm having to get used to doing it their way. And that I do now have a staff, Michelle and Sammy Jean, works with me to plan these field trips and all that. Because I can't do this alone. Yes, we've got large. you wouldn't want to.

I'd say after this, man, I would love to, I hope Doug Hichick gets wind of this, this photo, the trail cam photos. I would love to see him go after that. Maybe he'll get wind of it after this releases. We'll see. But, you know, Doug Hichick from Monster Quest. Like he, he's got a very scientific mind. And he's a great big foot guy as well.

Yeah. These two pictures from St. Mary's, you can't dispute. Go ahead. I know. I can't think of, man, it's just, it's wild, dude. It's wild. I can't wait to see people try to go crazy analyzing it. Yeah.

Because I know it's going to happen. Yeah. And like I said, you are the first podcast, first person, other than very few members in the group that have seen these two photographs. Yeah, and thank you, Ken. That is simply awesome. It's a great honor that, you know, I know you've been holding on to these. That's very cool.

Well, it proves to me and my consultants, Bigfoot is around St. Mary's. These two photographs, you can't dispute what you're looking at. And this is taken during the day. They're not blurry. Not when you look at it and you can see the hair and everything of the animal. Yeah. That's a black. And you consider a chairal cam at seven feet off the ground, that creature is taller than that.

Wild. And for your listeners, you're going to be seeing this. When we do our field research, we don't know. We may not find anything. I've gone out for days, four or five days, and nothing. but there's always that one time something starts to happen. There is no guarantee we'll find anything. We got lucky.

I spent the most time I've ever spent out there, 11 days. Man. As I've always said, as long as I got propane and water, I can stay out there. Some listeners are probably going to point this out. So I'm just going to throw it out there again. I'm just going to throw it out there, Ken. The green line is a film thing. Okay.

So I'm looking at the date, right? Yeah. Okay. Can you explain the date? I didn't know how to set the dates on these trail caps. Fair enough. I figured it was like, it's probably a user thing.

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know. This is the first time I've ever used trail camps. I never used them for hunting or anything. I bought the trail counts for this purpose. So I had to learn. Now, the new one muddies,

they're even better, easier to work with. Now, they'll take, if this had been a muddy, I'd have a sequence of three photographs back to back on each one of those. The videos instead of seven seconds or 15 seconds. What was the date that you took the photo? This was two years ago. Okay. Gotcha.

It was just before the white passed away. July, this one she passed away this year. two years ago. All right. So that should, that should take care of, because there's probably a few people that were going to jump in the comments

and be like, oh my God, the date, look at the date. No, okay. We talked about the date, guys. Yeah. All this equipment, I'm learning how to use.

Exactly. Yeah. So I can teach those that come to the field with us due to the research, how to use a property, the thermal imaging unit, the voice recorder, the microscope,

So the night vision goggles, the sonic listening device. I mean, we've got a lot of high-tech equipment now. Not the after scale, but we're getting there. Yeah. Man, that's wild, dude. That says that right there says a lot. It really does, man. Like I said, the green line is the trail cam itself.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And a lot of people will know that, you know, they've seen. that occur in different camera things. Man, that is wild. I can't, I'm going to be thinking about that probably for a few days. That's crazy, man.

You're thinking about longer than a few days, Jeremiah. Yeah, that's for sure. You realize I've had this in my position for two years. How did you not, like, throw it out there for two years, man? Because I wanted to make sure what I was, and seeing it when I posted it on the group. Yeah.

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There's seven seconds between the one before this and this one. This is a, man, has been a crazy discussion. you have the the fingernail you got the the handprint and you've got the the scat with the unknown animal or unknown creature from four different DNA labs wow you got a lot of stuff going on for sure and we haven't even gotten to the funny light in the sky behind the camera oh yeah i've got that video i've got that video pulled up if you if we let's play it if that's cool hold on all right

so is there anything you want to say about it before we play it? I have that video analyzed it's not a reflection off the trail camp okay here we go

now the other thing there is no roads back where that lights up there's no glass I thought it's a reflection of the fire but it's

an analyte says it's not he doesn't know what it is I got to watch it one more time it's It almost looks like it is, but what's it reflecting off of? Yeah. I don't know, man. That's beyond down towards the stream.

There's no road over there. Because it's like, it's almost the, if you look at the clip again and you notice what's going on in the fire, it's like. It's reflection. It's a reflection off of something. But what is it? If there's nothing there, you said there's nothing there. And that doesn't make sense at all. Yeah.

And if you look when the fire, all of a sudden, they'll go out, but the fire's still bright. Yeah. But then it comes back on. If you watch, you'll go out. Hmm. What is it? It's unknown. There again.

It's an unknown right there. See, it's gone. Then it comes back. Is the video taken through, what is the video taking with again? that's sticking with one of the first trail games okay on a tree looking into the camp so there's nothing no glass on the side no and one back here and they were away from the mortar home

if you look there's no lights on in the mortar home oh yeah man that's weird we don't know what it is it's almost dancing with the fire but what's it reflecting off of that's our question Also, if we really want to pick it apart, it looks like there's some weird stuff that happens in the bottom part of the video as well, if you watch it.

And I'm not a video guy, but I notice right around, it's coming up. I don't know, maybe it's like bugs. Like right there. There's some lines. Maybe it's something to do with the video. Yeah, it's a video. And I noticed in a lot of these videos up there, there's like interference. Yeah, that's weird, man.

Yet other videos I have doesn't have it. And it's mainly the ones at night. I have 2100 videos and photos I've been going through. 2100? Yeah. Yeah, so a lot of them, the tree movement, is set the trail cams off. The girls walking down to get the water rust sets the church. trail cam off.

His dog plane sets a trail cam off. Something has to set those trail cams off. If there's no wind or anything, what triggered the trail cams? Man, another, there's so many different mysteries going on in this whole area. Yeah. That's weird, Ken. That's why I keep returning. I would too.

I mean, it would keep bringing me back, dude. Yeah, each trip. It's longer. Okay. It gets longer and longer. Yeah. Michelle and I looked at a new area. If I can get the big mortar home into it, I will.

There's one stretch I'm not sure about, but it's a beautiful area. And I'll send you the pictures you'll see what I'm talking about. It's a big open area. There's an old log deck. So we have firewood right by the stream. But you look upon that mountain and it's all brush covered. Wow. If you sat there with a spotting scope of my camera with a toe photo lens and section by section looking,

it's an area. I haven't used the drones. It's an area I will be flying the drones in because I do have clear sight. I can get closer with the drones. I have a feeling there's definitely more to come from this whole swan area in the future for sure, Ken. When we last talk... Jeremiah, I want to also bring this up.

The people got to know me up there. Okay. Researcher. They started opening up. That's kind of what I was going to go into. Yes. They started talking. That's keep their names confidential, which I will.

Sure. There's one I posted on the Facebook of a Bigfoot on Mount Sentinel behind the university. It took the woman two years to trust somebody to send it to as long as her name was kept out of it. And it's not heard from Patty Canyon where a lot of unusual things are taking place right now. Because I know, I remember from last time we talked, you are very, I mean, you're a guy that people trust and you're even talking to a lot. I want to say you had said it was like maybe fish and game guys or people would be talking to when there would be missing persons. Yeah.

I mean, there's people talking to about a lot of different interesting things that could be related to Bigfoot. Yeah. And in fact, I don't say names. Their names is confidential. It's why people talk to me. Yeah. Exactly. And that's really critical.

if you want to get the information from these people. Yeah. Because the minute you mention their names, they can be in trouble. Oh, absolutely. So, you know, we started out small. We started our field of research on minimal equipment. Learning, we're learning every time we go out. We have new ideas we're going to try that my Native Americans have recommended a try,

tried to draw them into the camp. And also the warning, if we come to face-to-face, when don't stare it in the eyes, take one look and look down, because they may take it as a form of aggression. Really? A gorilla's, if you stare at a gorilla's eyes, he takes as a form of aggressive, he gets aggressive.

Chips. These advisors that you have, are they individuals that have actually had face-to-face encounters, or is this more like this information has been passed down from their elders. They've had face-to-face encounters. Wow.

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These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease in combination with resistance. To the Blackfeet Reservation East from Montana Browning. Now, it is closed to whites to do field research there. But because they've come to know me as long as running crane and them are with me, I'm going to be allowed to do some field research. Wow. So I do have a rare opportunity here and I'm not going to pass it up.

Yeah, that's, that's amazing, Ken. Yeah. That is very, very cool. Like I said before, I never know when somebody is going to talk to me. Yeah. Well, I am, I am simply just blown, blown away by this, man. Like, that's a really big deal. Like the whole DNA thing is a really big deal, Ken.

Oh, man. I am, what's the best way for people to keep up to date with, you know, if you find out any more information about that? I will either. DNA from the water. Yeah. That all will be on the domain. Awesome. Okay.

And that's www. The Montana Bigfoot Group. com. Okay. Yeah, I'll have it. They'll all be being posted there. Every time I go out now, I do a daily diary of what's taking place. So I'm writing this all down.

Eventually, we'll probably sit down to the computer and type it all out because my writing sucks, to be honest with you. That's funny. That's really funny. And that will be included also. I have all the structures drawn out. on a flip chart that I've seen as four pages that I've come across in my lifetime. Wow. So I will be doing a video and that will be posted on the Facebook group on Facebook and on the domain.

That's awesome. Explaining everything, what to be looking for. All right. And that. And this is based on personal experience. And what's what people want them understand. I do not watch Monster Quest or do not watch Expedition. Bigfoot, any of that, nor do I read about Bigfoot.

Everything I talk about is based on personal experience that I've had through my lifetime. Yeah, that's cool. That is really cool. So I have four in my own opinions. And I have a very open mind because I want to know what I saw that day when I came out of Crystal Lake. It's a quest. Yeah, it's a quest for me. And we're getting close.

You're getting close to something, Ken. Yes, we are. I mean, if it's not Bigfoot, it is something that is not known by science in that area. Right. And that is probably one of the scariest things that I've heard in a long time. Yeah, it's unknown. Because it's not a little bunny rabbit. Oh, God, I wish it was.

If it's 15, if it's like has 15 inch scat. Oh, man. Oh, I can't wait to see what happens from this. Ken, it's been super fun chatting with you, but I want to make sure, did you have any closing thoughts? Yes, I do. Okay.

Who are who are watching, the number one rule should be always keep an open mind and respect who is talking. They're the ones that experienced. Unless you were there. Now, anybody in the area that can, can come. We welcome people to come to do these field researchers. We may not find anything. We may find something. Think about you being there and we actually get that final video photo,

a clear video photo of a Bigfoot. And you're part of that. Yeah. But the key is be respectful and you have to have an open mind. You can't block your mind to what you see. No matter what group it is, what program you see, you cannot have a close mind. Because these people are also trying to get the answer. What is it? Does it date, Bigfoot date giant pithicus. We'll know soon with the fossil results. Did the giant apes come out of North America to Asia?

What happened to the European primate that went extinct? Yeah. So we're, you know, you're dealing something that's worldwide from the Pendeca in Malaysia, to the Yaui in Australia, to the rock apes in Vietnam, to the Mako in Japan, to the black, hairy man in Wales, to the man of the miss in Sweden. We're dealing with something that is unknown. This is where you have to have an over mind. You can't block this.

Oh, absolutely. I mean, yeah, it's, it's respect others and have an open mind is one of the most important things you can, you can do. Yeah. I agree. And I trust me, Jeremiah, once I get the final results, I will be contacting you. Hey, and definitely, I appreciate that. Definitely will be talking to you again, I think. Yeah. If we have a major breakthrough, up in the swan you'll be one of the first one of the first one. Well, the group will know. Right, of course.

So you'll be aware of it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Man, that's going. And then we can decide to do another one or what's up. Yeah, that'd be awesome. There'll be some more coming up. Absolutely.

The way it's going because we're looking at, we are getting there. It's getting close, dude. It's getting close, yes. Can, can you take a few minutes and remind listeners how they can keep up. up to date with everything that you've got going on. And they'll definitely want to keep up to date with what's going on. The group, yeah, the group on Facebook is a Montana Bigfoot International Research Group.

International is because we have 21 chapters all over the world that does field research. The domain is www. The Montana Bigfoot Group, research group.com. I couldn't put international in there because it's too big. Right. Those, you monitor the domain that I'm redoing. And if you want to join the group on Facebook, answer the questions. We ask.

Answer them because you get, you will get denied. My moderators are right on top of it. And, you know, we welcome everybody. We're not like a lot of groups. Oh, I got 35,000 members. That's not us. Right. So you're absolutely right.

It is a smaller community, but it is a very cool community of Bigfoot researchers, enthusiasts. It is a very, very cool group. I like it in there. And look at my Michael Young out of Malaysia, what he pulls. Yep. Yeah, exactly. Some wild stuff, yeah. Yeah, I've got stuff coming from all over the world.

Oh, yeah. Well, Ken, thank you so much for chatting again. Again, it has been a very enlightening night, and who knows what will happen next for sure. Well, you're going to get it so. Oh, yeah, I know. I'm glad you said, yeah, let's do this because it is a lot of information. A lot has happened. It's a lot.

A lot has happened. All right. Thanks for chatting, Ken. Oh, thank you. You'd like to make a special one-time donation to Bigfoot Society. head on over to our Buy Me a Coffee page. And I'd like to shout out someone who has bought us a coffee this last week, Mr. Wayland W. Colburn.

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