Bigfoot Society - Mr. Black and the Sasquatch (Archive)

Episode Date: November 3, 2024

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members-only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society, and now let's get on with the show. Place with my neighbor who was pretty kooky. It was probably about 19... 86 or 80s about in 1986 I guess that's about when it happened just came over to me out of the blue and just handed me this book and wanted to know if I believed in bigfoot so I thought that was pretty interesting do you I wish I could figure out who that guy was yeah exactly you were saying that it was an old Oregon logger that had written that pamphlet about how he was had big foot on his property and or do you remember anything about the story that was contained inside the booklet? One of the things that he said in the booklet, I think it happened,

it was, it had to do with his first encounter with Bigfoot and said he lived up in the, lived up in the woods somewhere in Oregon and in a travel trailer. And there were a lot of logging roads up there. I know my wife and I were thinking about buying a house up there in Florence, Oregon, and I, and I know the real estate guy took us around and, man, we were on dirt roads and there's just roads everywhere out there, you know,

that they cut for all these logging operations that they had going. But anyway, one of the things that he was, that he talked about early on in the, this booklet, and it got me to think it about the size of Sasquash, is that he said he was out for some kind of a little evening stroll down one of his logging roads near where he was staying in his travel trailer, little travel trailer. And he said he stopped to kind of look over the countryside, and his eyes were drawn to this creature that was standing behind a stump of a large tree that had been cut down. And he said this creature was standing behind the stump.

And about, he could see the, he could see the creature from the top of his head down to about, I say, about the middle of his chest. and the rest of it was concealed by the stump. And so he was looking down downhill through this clear-cut forest. And so he was watching this thing. And then he said he turned his eyes away and he looked back and the thing was gone.

So at some point in the, you know, shortly after that occurred, maybe the next day or something like that. He went down to that stump where he had seen that creature. And he said he was himself like 6-2 or 6-3. And he stood behind the stump, and the top of the stump was maybe a couple of feet above the top of his head. So it made that Sasquatch about 11 or 12 feet high. and so that's how he kind of opened up the early parts of this book and then he somehow and I can't remember how it's been so many it's it's been almost 40 years he he made friends with this family of Sasquatch and they took him took him to what he referred to as the fifth dimension and he said he could actually

look back on on people in our dimension which is a three dimension third dimension and he had just all kinds of things to say that you know about that kind of stuff and it was just um it was pretty far out stuff and and but the guy the guy stood by what he said because they called him up on the phone and asked him who he was and he told me who he was and I talked to him for about an hour and the guy was definitely convincing but and very sincere and didn't didn't sound at all delusional but um you know just makes you wonder you know about maybe what the extraterrestrial powers of these things might be do all of them have these powers or it's just some of them have these powers it's you know who knows it's just you know something we can talk about in

speculate about, but I don't know anybody that has ever talked to me personally about what this old man, this old logger talked to me about. It's very interesting. So listeners, if you know what this pamphlet is, it's about 50, 65 pages, and we're not sure who the guy's name is. But if you're listening and you know what this pamphlet is, let me know. you can email me or put it in the YouTube comments and then I'll let Mr. Black know because I'm sure, I mean, I would like to know. I'm sure he would like to know as well. But that's a very interesting side story about something that happened during the 80s.

But to let the listeners know, so you contacted me, sir, quite a while ago. And we've been going back and forth via email about. that you've had an encounter that took place in 1958 in northern California. And we finally got into the point where we're able to chat about it on the phone and to be able to share so you can share what happened. But I first want to say thank you for coming on the line tonight to share what happened to you back in the 50s. But yeah, just the floor is yours, sir.

I grew up in Northern California in a place called, Lake County, it's about 120 miles north of San Francisco in the mountains of, it's in the coastal mountain range of California. Lake County is surrounded by Napa County on the south, which everybody knows is heavily wine country. Sonoma County, also wine country, Mendocino. County, pretty much the same thing. Calusa County and Glen County. And now, Lake County, when I grew up in the 50s, was predominantly walnut orchards, pear orchards, cattle and sheep branches.

And there was a large resort community that surrounded the Clear Lake, which is the largest freshwater lake in california lake county was very sparsely populated in the 50s that the population of the county was probably about 17 000 and uh i went to high school in kelseyville and graduated from kelseville high and my senior class only had 42 students at so it just gives you an idea how small a community and how sparsely populated the county was. My dad was during World War II worked for a mining company in Clear Lake was a quicksilver mining operation and they supplied quicksilver which from that you get mercury and and so after World War II by he bought some a bulldozer and a pickup and he was clearing

land for some wealthy ranchers from Southern California, and they were going to plant walnut orchards in this very brushy, rugged part of Lake County. And when my father was done clearing off this one piece of land, which was about 400 acres, they asked him if he wouldn't be the general manager and be in charge of planting it as a walnut orchard. So I grew up on a ranch that it had 400 acres in walnuts, and then it had about 800 acres in open pasture land where we ran cattle. So fast forward to 1958, and my brother and I listened to my dad talk about how he wanted to irrigate his orchard 24 hours a day.

So he hired all these people from surrounding counties and cities and towns and none of them worked out. They were all a bunch of alcoholics and they drank on the job and they did terrible work. and so he had to fire them all. So my brother and I went to my dad and said, hey, listen, if you want to continue your irrigation project here where you want to irrigate the orchard 24 hours a day, we can do that job. And my dad thought we were a little too small to do that.

I was 14. My brother was about 12. And we had a friend by the name of Jack, who is deceased and my brother is now deceased. And so we convinced my dad that we could do the job. And so we set up a schedule where we were moving this irrigation pipe through the orchard 24 hours a day and every 8 hours we would move the irrigation pipe 40 feet. So this one night, it would happen to be a Sunday night.

and it was about 7 o'clock at night. And we had just gotten done moving all this irrigation pipe, and we were driving around the orchard where we had moved this. When I talk about this irrigation pipe, it was about two miles of irrigation pipe. So it was a considerable job that took several hours to accomplish. So anyway, we were driving around, the orchards, we had all these ranch roads

that kind of dissected the orchard into 40-acre parcels. So we're driving around the three of us in this old Chevy pickup, branch pickup. And as I came to the end of one field and made a right turn and was driving along, my brother and Jack said to me,

They stopped the pickup because we see somebody walking in the orchard. And there shouldn't have been anybody in the orchard. Nobody worked on Sunday night except my brother and Jack and I, my mom and dad, were at home across the property about three quarters of a mile home in the ranch house. and so I slowed the pickup down and kind of pulled off the side of the road and I could look back in the orchard. We could all look back in the orchard about 75 or 100 feet and we could see somebody walking back in the orchard. We could only see them from about the waist down because of the low hanging limbs and branches of the of the walnut. trees. So as soon as I pulled the truck over and stopped so we could get a better look at what it was

back there in the orchard that was walking along, whoever it was, and we couldn't identify it at the time, started running across the, through the orchard. So I took off and we were kind of paralleling this thing for a while, and Jack and my brother were telling me where this thing was running. And so it was about a quarter mile down to our barns and our shop. And at that point, I made a right turn. And the orchard from that point, the road was very steep. It was about 12, 14, 15 degree incline. And they could see this creature, whatever it was.

And they said it was pretty good size. It looked like a pretty good size man. They didn't know what it was running through the orchard. What we thought it was was an escaped convict like a trustee that lived in the Department of Forestry firefighting camp, which was about a mile and a half as the crow would fly from our ranch. There were no fences. There were, they had people working there that were forestry, that were forestry personnel. they kind of kept track of these people,

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So I drove the truck up up this ranch road and it's pretty steep and we got there was an owner's property an owner's house up the halfway up this hill and we went about a hundred or 200 yards past that and we stopped at a point where we thought we were going to intersect with this person that we thought it must be a person that was running through the orchard so we stopped the truck we all got out all three of us got out and we're just waiting on the side of the road and we're kind of standing by the right front fender of the pickup and we could hear this thing coming through the orchard

but we couldn't see it because of the trees and it sounded like a horse running through the orchard it was bipedal but the sound of this thing breathing it sounded just like my horse my brother and I both had horses and just sounded like them when they were breathing heavily. And so we just waited there and waited there until finally we saw what this thing was as it came out of the orchard. And as it came up higher in the orchard, the soil was not as good as soil. And so the trees were not nearly as big of trees as the down lower on the hill. And so when this came out of the trees, we could see that it was about seven to seven and a half feet tall, probably weighed in the neighborhood of 500, 550 pounds or more.

And this thing was clomping along at probably about a four foot stride. and it was it had been running through an area that had been pre that had just been irrigated so it was very very deep and muddy and then above that it had been collivated about 12 or 14 inches deep and this thing was running through that stuff at a pretty good pace and I've had at about what I consider about a three to four foot stride which is more than any man I think could could do in that heavy mud and that in that steep grade and is this thing kept getting closer to us we got a real good look at this thing and this particular creature is not the kind of i've listened to other podcasts where people describe these saskatch creatures as having a shoulder width of up

to four to five feet, but this creature wasn't like that. This creature was tall, seven, seven and a half feet tall, very heavy, but very muscular, but not widen the shoulders like that. And as this thing got closer to us, why it, when it kind of turned to look directly at us, it had to kind of turn its body. Didn't its head look like this. It looked like the shoulders kind of went from the edge of the, the tip of the shoulders up to where the ears might be on the skull. It just looked like, you know, what I would, at the time,

it looked like, you know, some of the football players that I, I would see on TV, I guess. But this thing kind of grinned at us as it came closer, didn't show us any teeth, just grinned at us. and it never slowed down. It never made any threatening gesture toward us. It had its facial features look like that of an Indian. So it had a humanoid kind of facial features.

It was covered in hair. It had a round head, didn't have a conical head. there was not it had a heavy brow ridge the forehead the hair line came down within maybe an inch or two

of the brow line there was no hair on his face on its neck and under its ears and I couldn't even see its ears and as this thing came up the hill past us

My brother and Jack wanted to get back in the truck and they wanted to get the hell out of there because this thing scared them. I have no idea why I wanted to stick around and watch this thing go by. But once it went by us and continued up the hill, we got back in the truck and we waited a little bit, just maybe a minute or so. Watch this thing as it kept going up the hill and it didn't have to go much further up the hill until it intersected another. a four-way intersection of our ranch roads. And so I started to pick up, and I started up the hill in this old 41 Chevy, and it made a lot of racket. It had a straight pipe, no muffler.

And this thing, we're grinding up the, we're not talking about a muscle car here. This is old 41 Chevy with a little six-cylinder, and we were grinding up the hill, and this thing made a lot of transmission noise. And so when this thing got to the creature got to the intersection of the at the top of the hill where these four ranch roads came together, why it turned and tried to look back at where we were coming up the hill. And in order to do that, it had to torque its body completely around because it didn't seem to be able to turn its neck. and so it went across the intersection, it went into, kind of entered another 40 acre section of walnut trees,

and it kind of crossed that section at a diagonal. And that part of the orchard was pretty flat for a couple hundred yards, and then it dropped off in what I would think is about, a 14 or 15 degree downhill slope. So I had to drive all the way around on these ranch roads to try to keep incited this thing. And so the more that we tried to keep up with it,

the more this thing started to run. And as it was running down this hill through the orchard, um, I would estimate that it was running at about 20, or 30 miles an hour. And its stride at that point was maybe 10, 10, 15 feet or something like that. And when we finally got down to the hill, this thing crossed the road that we were on, never looked at us, never gave us a glance at that point, ran across the road in front of us,

and it ran across that road into the property of a neighbor. who also had a walnut orchard. They didn't, nobody lived there at the time, but they had some barns and some equipment sheds. And this, this creature ran in between the barns and their equipment shed and then ran another hundred yards or so. And at the, where the walnut orchard met the brush line and the tree line, this thing just charged into the brush.

and the brush was maybe 15, 18 feet high. It just went through that brush like a bulldozer, never even slowed down. And at that point, we lost track of this creature. So my brother and Jack and I had a conversation about whether or not we were going to tell my dad about this encounter. and we had lobbied my dad pretty hard for about a month to let us take on this job of moving the irrigation bike. We made good money. He paid us what he paid those guys that never showed up or drank on the job and did a bad job.

He paid us just as well as he paid those guys. And so we didn't want to lose that job. It was a great job. It was better than doing other jobs on the ranch that we didn't like to do. So we decided that we wouldn't tell my dad. And I failed to mention that the time of the year that this was was in late July of 1958. And the deer season in Lake County opens up this first Saturday of, August every year.

And so when I started carrying a Winchester rifle in our ranch truck, I just told my dad, I said, if I see a deer out here, you know, while we're changing pipe, and I can get a good shot at a deer,

you know, I'll shoot it. And I was going to shoot a deer, but that's not the reason I was carrying that rifle. Because I was a that thing was going to come back. I really, I really didn't know what it was that I saw. I had never heard anybody in my circle of family or friends.

I never heard anybody ever talk about a creature that was over seven feet tall, covered in hair, bipedal, you know, never, never heard anything that would even lead me to believe. I never heard the word, Sasquatch or Bigfoot.

That never had entered my vocabulary. Never heard anybody talk about that. And so as we continued on through the summer, move an irrigation pipe and working in the orchard at night, we had these headlights, they were like a head lantern powered by a six-fold battery, small six-fold battery, kind of like a minor woodware

in a mining tunnel or something. And I can tell you that all summer long, when it was out there in the dark, I always felt like I was being watched. Maybe it was just my imagination, but I would, sometimes the, the feeling of being washed just was so overpowering that I would look around with my headlight to see my headlamp to see if I could see

if there was anything out there watching me. and I never, I never, I never could, never saw anything that, that was, that was out there in the dark with us. But it, it, it, it, it most certainly spooked us, but we decided that we weren't going to tell my dad because we didn't, we thought that he would think that it might be too dangerous for us little guys to be out there in the dark. And so, you know, we didn't want to lose our job. So anyway, fast forward about a year. And my dad, my dad subscribed to a publication called True Magazine. And one of the publications in, I think it was 1959, was about the episode encounter, I guess you will, of a guy by the name of Jerry Crue.

And Jerry Crew was a bulldozer operator in over in Humboldt County. I think it's Humboldt County. It might be Del Nort County. But anyway, it's up in what is now Bigfoot country in the Trinity, what's called the Trinity Alps. It's a very rugged part of the Northern California. It borders the Oregon, California border. And Jerry Crew, as a bulldozer operator,

He worked for a company that had a contract with some logging companies to build some logging roads back in the area surrounding Willow Creek. And Willow Creek is, if you visit there, is certainly steeped in a lot of Bigfoot mythology. and there's a big redwood tree that's been carved by somebody with a chainsaw into a great big Sasquatch. And there's a museum there. And if you go into the restaurant, the menu is all kinds of all kinds of bigfoot menu choices, you know. And so anyway, crew and his lived over in the Sacramento Valley area somewhere. So on Friday night, he would go home. And so he would, when he came back to work on Monday to fire up his cat bulldozer and Bill Rhodes,

he started seeing these big barefoot tracks in the powdery dirt roads that they were, you know, the logging roads that they were building. And so they made, I think they made a plaster cast of these footprints. And at some point, they contacted some people in Eureka, California. It's close by, maybe 50, 60 miles away, I guess. And at the newspaper, the local newspaper. And I think one of the editors or the editor of that newspaper was retired from the Los Angeles Times. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors.

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And kind of thought that the story that Jerry crew told him about these big footprints that he saw all over the construction site, you know, and the plastered cast that he brought to him, I think,

and kind of dismissed it as a kind of an odd story, maybe not too believable. But then after about a week or so or some time went by, he, the editor picked up this, picked up this story and then published it. And eventually it made it its way that story made its way through a lot of different newspapers throughout California and throughout the western United States I guess and eventually it ended up in

True Magazine so my dad had been reading this article about all the stuff that Jerry Crew had been reporting and so I saw that I saw that you know what my dad was reading so So they had a kind of a sketch of what this thing looked like. And when I saw the sketch, then I knew what I saw. I remembered back a year before or so. And what I saw in True Magazine is what I saw on the ranch that night, that Sunday night in the latter part of July of 58. and so I never we still never told my dad so it was maybe a year or so later

maybe in the next year why my dad had gotten contacted by his younger brother and my uncle was the general manager of a 4,000 acre sheep ranch in Sonoma County out it was out within I think it was in about within about 18 or 20 miles of the of the Pacific coast and this little town of Guala and some other places out there very small very small place anyway my uncle had invited my dad and some other friends of his out on the sheep ranch to go wild hog hunting so my dad was out over there for three or four days. And he shot this big hog is about maybe 450 pounds. And so he brought home these big slabs of pork. And they each weighed, I don't know, 75, 80 pounds, maybe 100 pounds, I don't know.

So he brought these big slabs of pork home. Not sure what we were gonna do with 150, 200 pounds of pork, but anyway, brought it home. And at night, the first night that he was home, why we had these on the back of our house, farmhouse, we had these big meat hooks that my dad had kind of screwed into the ends of the roof rafters. And so when we would kill deer on the ranch,

after we had dressed out the deer, we would hang the deer out at night on the back of the house. Well, that's what he did with these big slabs of this wild fog they'd killed. He hung these big slabs up there on these meat hooks. Well, these hooks were about 11 feet off the ground. And my dad was only about 5, 58, 5.8 and a half. So in order to hang those slabs of pork meat up there, he had to get on a step ladder. So the first night he hung the things up there, and in the morning he took them down.

They wrapped them up in some old bedcloths and put them in up a sleeping bag and put them underneath their bed where it was nice and cool. The following night, they take them out from underneath the bed, take them out of the sleeping bag, hang them out at night. So they planned to do that for about three nights. So on the third night, my dad hangs the meat out. there and the following morning day four he goes out there to take his uh his wild hog meat off the back of the house and it's missing so my dad comes in and i think my brother and i are sitting there

eating breakfast or something and he asks us did you do something with the with the meat on the back of the house answer is uh no we couldn't even we were just little guys we couldn't lift that stuff I got a left. So anyway, my dad told me, he says, go get, he says, I bet the dogs got it. I said, dad, we don't have a single, we had about four or five dogs. I said, we don't have any dogs that can jump 11 feet. Not even if they got up on the porch and jumped up there. They wouldn't be able to, they, I said, and by the way, you know, and if a dog were to grab it or a coyote, we had coyotes, no wolves in, in Lake County, just coyotes.

I said if a coyote got it, they would just rip it off of there and probably try to eat it right there and just make a great big mess. So anyway, he made, dad asked me to go get all the dogs. So I get, I go and get all,

we had about four or five dogs. So I go get all the dogs and I bring them around there. And that area by the back steps of our house near where that meat was hanging, those dogs would not, would not come even close to that. You could grab them by their collar,

and in order to get them over there that area, you'd have to drag them. And these dogs were clearly not willing to even come anywhere close to the back of that house. And those dogs made no sound at night. Usually anybody that would come around, they would bark like crazy. But in the summertime,

we didn't have any air conditioning way back in the late 50s. So we slept with all the windows open. So if the dogs were going to bark, you're going to hear them. And so I knew, I was pretty sure what it was in my mind that came and took that meat off the back of the house. But we still,

my brother and I never said a word about any of our experiences or anything of our experiences or any of our counter encounters with Bigfoot. About two years ago, I located my old friend Jack, and he had liver and colon cancer, and he was very, very sick. And I was very sad to hear that, because I tried, I finally located,

located him after all those years and tracked them down through friends. And I wanted to talk to him about what he remembered on the day we saw that Sasquatch in the orchard. And I asked him if he, if he would tell me what his recollection of that time was. And he told me that he said, he said, I'm just too sick and too weak to even try to talk about it. And so he died about three weeks later, four weeks later, and I never got to talk to him about his experiences on that day when my brother and he and I, you know, saw that creature

coming out of the orchard. So anyway, there was, there was an episode on a, another podcast, and there was a guy by the name of Mike Woolley had an episode or an encounter. I think it was up in the state of Washington. And so they posted a picture of what his Sasquatch looked like, his encounter looked like, and it was exactly what I saw. It was the face of an, this creature had the face of an Indian. It looked like, it didn't look like the Indians from my neck of the woods there in Lake County or in that part of the, of California.

It looked more like the Indians that you would see in the plains, in the plain, in the plain states. Nebraska, you know, Kansas, South Dakota, Montana, Montana, why. Wyoming, those kinds of people. And so that, you know, and so later when I read about this lady by the name of Melba Ketchum, who is a, has a DNA lab in Texas, I think she is herself a veterinarian. and she claims that from some hair samples and some other tissue samples that she may have collected from a dozen or more sources around the United States, she claims that the mitochondrial part of the DNA, the female side of the DNA showed a human female. but on the male side of the DNA, it was undetermined.

So it got me to thinking about how closely the Sasquatch creatures, some of them, might be to humans to be able to possibly crossbreed with a male Sasquatch and a female human. So just there's no proof of that, I think, other than what Melba Ketchum says that she determined through her DNA testing. And of course, she is a very controversial person because she was not successful in getting her study published in any peer to peer group. publication. And so it, it, she, she was criticized very heavily. And, and so a lot of people, some people believe that her DNA testing is accurate, while other people discount it all together.

I know that there are people like Kathy Strain and her husband, Bob, her husband Bob, I think, is a retired firefighter. Kathy Strain is an anthropologist, works for the U.S. Department of Forestry near Sonora in the, in the Sierra Nevada Mountains of California. And she's had encounters with these creatures, as I understand. And, you know, written a lot of books where she interviewed a lot of Indian tribes across the nation. It just depends, I guess, on what Indian tribe that you might talk to. Some of them refer to them as cannibals, these Sasquatch creatures, creatures, other talk about these creatures as people. And so there's a wide range of, and I know that the Indians up in British Columbia have a lot of contact with these things as well.

So there's, it's an interesting, it's an interesting situation where we see these things, people report them. Yet we can find no evidence that, physical evidence that they exist other than maybe the hair samples and the scat. and so maybe skin tissue or something that Melba Ketchum came into possession of. But I know what I saw. I know what my brother and I saw. And nobody can convince me that that creature is not flesh and blood and real. Absolutely. Mr. Black, that's an incredible story.

That's my story. That, wow. Thank you for sharing. That's a lot to unpack from that. I do have a few questions for you in a few minutes, but it's just there's a few observations I had from your story. So it's like, you know, happens back in, you said 58 before the Jerry crew incidents, which happened up in Bluff Creek, which is about five and a half to six hours north of where Lake County is, I believe. And then you were talking about Sonoma, Sonoma County to the west. That's about maybe two and a half hours where you had the issue with the wild hogs. So that's just so people can picture that in their minds where all this happened. But about the creature that you saw back there in Lake County, do you remember anything specific about the arms of the creature at all? this thing when it was walking

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their knees are lower on their legs. And when they walk, they don't walk like we do. And they have this kind of, when people walk, you know, or even if they run, they're bobbing up and down. But not these creatures. They don't do that. And if you look at what Roger Patterson and Bob Gimman, saw down in Bluff Creek, you know, Patty, how she walked, that's how this creature walked,

just kind of glided along. And unlike Patty, who looked like she had a pretty bad injury to her right leg, this creature that we saw looked perfectly healthy to me and was going through the orchard at a at a pace that no man could even begin to keep up with was there was the creature wearing any clothes or no clothes was their hair on the body any details uh I did know I did notice a San Francisco 49er baseball cap okay I'm just kidding you never know right just kidding just kidding just kidding I was a 49er fan while I grew up as a kid but No, no clothes, no nothing, just hair. And, you know, it just, I could not see its ears.

I don't know if these things got big ears, little ears, no ears. I don't know what they, I don't know what they have. I noticed one of the things I noticed when it grinned, but it didn't show teeth is how wide the mouth was. I mean, it's, I mean, it's the, the opening for the mouth is way larger than a human being. And there was just, you know, there were just, when I saw this picture that was sketched out by, I don't know who, who, who, who sketched it out, but it was on this Mike Woolly encounter on another podcast. that's that's what that's what clinched it for me you know when I saw that picture you know in in the in the I don't remember where I saw that picture I guess I missed maybe I saw that

on the podcast itself as I think that's where I saw that but the sketch that I saw in True magazine was very similar to what I saw, but more hair on the face. But it was similar enough that I knew that that's what I had seen, that what I saw was a big foot also. After the incident in Lake County, did you ever go back and try to look at any of the tracks that were left close up, anything like that? Well, you know, yeah, we tried to see, we tried to, we tried to see, you know,

what these tracks look like, but we're talking plowed ground and we're talking about freshly irrigated, uh, soil in, in the orchard. And you just, you couldn't, it's just, there was just, um, no way to really get a, get a, an accurate idea about a footprint. The footprint, you know, it was about maybe 16 or 17 inches long. But the shape of it was because the ground was plowed and other parts of the orchard where it came through that we looked.

It had been irrigated and it was muddy. You just couldn't tell. You couldn't tell. The Sasquash was sinking into the, the mud and into the plowed ground at least, at least a foot. And, and underneath that was just hard, hard, hard, hard dirt. And so there was really no, you couldn't get, you couldn't get a good picture as to the shape of the, of the footprint.

Just couldn't. Yeah, absolutely. Something that heavy would definitely be sinking down, especially in an area where there's irrigation happening. It's such a very interesting encounter. Did you ever hear of any sightings from neighbors around that area or hear of any other people in that area talking about seeing things as well? No. Okay.

Not a soul. Yeah. Not a soul. Later in life, I joined the California Highway Patrol. And some of the guys I work with in Los Angeles transferred up to the Mount Shasta area. And so after I had retired from the Highway Patrol, I started tracking down. I started thinking about this encounter that I had. You know, I started listening to some podcasts about Sasquatch.

So I tracked down some of my old workmates from my highway patrol days down in Los Angeles. And these guys were retired, but they had retired from up there by Mount Shasta. And they told me all kinds of stories about some of the encounters that some of those guys had. And they never, not one of them ever saw the creature that they saw, they saw footprints in the roads. One guy told me that they had a big fire up there, a big

brush fire up in the area where he is working up in Modoc. I think it was either Lassen or Modoc County. And so they were, the fire was being driven by about 30 mile an hour wind.

So I mean, every living creature, mountain lion, Sasquatch, deer, you name it, raccoon, whatever. They were all running for their life to try to outrun the fire. And they were using airplanes to try to control the fire, and so they're dropping this fire retardant, which is roughly about 8,000 gallons of water

with all this red and purple fire retardants. So a lot of the areas along where the road, were these state highways, two-lane state highways, kind of dissected this area where this big fire was, why these highway patrol guys that I know, they saw footprints, muddy footprints that went across the state highway. And the highway was, oh, probably 60 feet wide

or something like that, paved area with the shoulders and everything, about 60 feet wide. And they said that these footprints from what they thought was a Sasquatch, they cleared that, that, you know, that roadway in about three steps. So a very, a very large animal leaving a very large footprint and cleared a very wide road in just a few steps. Yeah. So they're out there.

I'm not surprised. And I talked to some highway patrolmen that worked up in this. area called truckie. It's between, it's right on the Nevada, California line, and they have a big truck inspection facility there, the highway patrol. And these guys said that they see, they see these things all the time cross on the road. And, but you never hear anybody talking about it. Because nobody talks about Bigfoot, if you want to get promoted on the job, or if you don't want to be criticized and made fun of, you don't talk about Bigfoot. I don't care if you've seen them, taking pictures of them, have proof of them. Nobody talks that, nobody that I ever knew,

except the very few people that I do know that worked up in those areas that I thought might have had an encounter. And some of them did come into contact with some evidence that those things exist like footprints wet footprints across a road um nobody's talking about that stuff oh absolutely and i've actually uh a gentleman called in one day with a i believe it was a sighting from the trucky area the ones you were talking about are those recent or no these are these were uh probably 20 25 years ago yeah but uh mount shasta those guys those guys those Those guys went on the highway patrol back in the 60s with me and we're all retired. Ah, gotcha, got you.

So they're just, they're just recounting old memories of their days when they worked up there. Absolutely. And the Mount Shast, I mean, if you go to Bigfoot Encounters.com and you go into the California Encounters area, listeners can definitely do that. There's some wild encounters from Mount Shast. That whole region, if you look into it, you could just go rabbit trails upon rabbit trails of hidden treasure and Bigfoot and people disappearing up on the mountain. There's a lot of stories. Yeah.

There's a lot of stories about the Sasquatch that live in the mountain. Really? You know, I don't know how, I don't know how they transport themselves back and forth from inside to outside. I don't know. But there are, you know, the Indians tell the Indians that live up in that area. tell stories, I guess, of these creatures that live in the mountain. That is true.

There is a whole... There is supposedly a whole civilization that lives inside Mount Shast. I've always wanted to talk to someone who's had encounters there. If you're listening and you have experienced stuff around Mount Shasta, reach out to me, please.

Mr. Black, this has been incredible. There are, there's a question I like to ask now, and I, I ask this to everyone. It's a left field one, but, and it doesn't have to do with Bigfoot. But sometimes it hits, sometimes it doesn't. In your experience in California, all the other places you've been, have you ever heard of anyone seeing any creatures that would look like a hyena? Look like a one? Like a hyena. A hyena?

Yeah. No. Okay, cool. All right. I mean like a dog man or something like that? Yeah, some people would call it a dog man, but some people actually are seeing what they're saying looks like an actual African hyena.

No, you know, there's, I know I've listened to some podcasts where some game wardens and some forestry people shot one of those things. things, with a 45, three times. And it had no effect on that thing. It just, it just kind of snarled at them and then just kind of ran off. I, I, I, I read about them. I've heard them talk about on a podcast. I have never, I don't know anybody that's ever seen anything like that.

And I, I've never seen anything like that myself. It's weird stuff. some people have seen them some some haven't but you never know what's what's out there in the woods you've had it just sounds like skinwalker ranch stuff oh man if you've looked into skinwalker ranch then you you know about the supposed dire wolves and the bigfoot going through the portals out there and i mean there's some wild history in that area for sure yeah now they're now they're drilling down they drill down they drill down in part of the ranch

and they hit something and about 90 feet or something they hit something metallic. It's weird stuff for sure. In the Lake County, California area, were there any other events of high strangeness that would happen besides Bigfoot that you noticed

or was Bigfoot the main thing that was happening out there in Lake County? That was, I never knew anybody that had an encounter. If there was other people that had an encounter, encountered, nobody was talking to me about it. And the only three people that I know that ever saw anything like that was my brother, who was killed in a oil well explosion in Wyoming in

1978. And then my friend Jack that died about a couple of years ago. And he was just too sick and too ill to even talk about it. I was really hoping that I was, could have a conversation with him, but by that, I didn't, I didn't know that he was, I didn't know that he was, uh, as sick as he was. And so, you know, I was, uh, I kind of lost an opportunity there to kind of go down memory lane about, you know, because people see things differently. We'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words from our sponsors. On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad? The answer? The ingredients.

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you know, and I was mostly focused on the face and this thing grinning at us. It was creepy. That really creeped us out. When that thing, just looked at us and it came within about 50 or 75 feet from us. And we were on a ranch road, but separating us from the orchard was a drainage ditch that was

about, I want to say about maybe 20 feet wide and about 15 or 16 feet deep. We felt pretty comfortable that this thing wasn't going to jump over there and get us. and again, it never made any movement, aggressive movement at all. It just looked over at these three little kids, these pre-teenage kids, and just grinned and just kept on going. It never slowed down. And matter of fact, as it went up to the top of the hill and went over, the other side, it picked up speed, a lot of speed.

I never saw anything run. I never saw anything run like that. I mean, this thing, this thing was keeping up with the pickup. And I just, it, it, it was, it was something, you know, all these years I've, you know, I can, I can just picture it in my mind. It really had a lasting effect on me. And I, and I forgot about it. I kind of put it away in my mind for a long, long time.

And never, because, you know, if I didn't hear anybody else talking about it, I wasn't going to be the first to talk about it because, you know, people would just, I didn't want to be the brunt of a bunch of jokes, you know. And I think my dad was interested in it, especially after he read the True Magazine article. But I thought for sure that when those two slabs of pork were taken off the back rafters of our house, I thought, I thought for sure my dad would probably put two and two together. But it didn't seem like, didn't seem like he did. He just kind of dismissed it.

It was just a mystery that he couldn't solve. And I, and the back there were that, where they hung the meat, it was it was concrete. And then my mom's clothesline was back there. And that was all gravel. So there were no footprints that we could see. So, you know, we just kind of struck out that way. Was that time that you saw the Bigfoot in Lake County?

Was that the weirdest thing that you've seen in your life then, I would imagine? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's, that's, that's. that's number one. You know, and, and, you know, I remember three or four years ago, I live in Tennessee, middle Tennessee now. We've lived here back in Tennessee here for about 16 years. And I wanted to buy a pickup, and I found one in West Virginia.

And so when I drove up to West Virginia with my wife to pick up my truck, I saw as I was as I was driving through West Virginia I was I was all these stories that I'd heard on these podcasts about all the big foot sightings that they see in West Virginia I was looking down in every every holler I was looking all of I was I was I was just looking all over the countryside. I was sure, I was sure that I was going to see a big foot up there, but no, I didn't say any big foot up there either. But I guess that's big foot country up there, that in Ohio and Washington and Oregon. Well, that and, I mean, some of the craziest reports I've ever taken have been from Middle Tennessee. It's, it's pretty wild. I mean, I would,

I would keep my eyes out where you are. You'll probably hear some. crazy stuff someday if you listen to people talking in the right areas for sure but there's a guy that lives in Nashville his name is Dave uh Dave Eller and he uh he's a bigfoot uh investigator and he draws a 100 mile circle around Nashville and he talks about all the craziness that he sees out in these woods I live in Putnam County and I've looked at the BFRO website and other website to see where, if there's any big footing sightings in Putnam County, it's a pretty large county here in Middle Tennessee. And we're surrounded by hundreds of thousands of acres of just undeveloped forest land.

And there are no sightings in Putnam County. but if you go south of Putnam County into White County and Warren County, then you start seeing on these Bigfoot maps where people have seen and spotted these creatures out there. Hopefully this will connect. Sorry about that. We had some weird tech issues come out of nowhere,

but yeah, we're back. back. Sorry about that, sir. Yeah, Tennessee's got his fair share over in the smoky mountains. You know, there's, you know, Dave Politey's he's written over there in his 4-1-1 books about, you know, you know, little children, you know, out in the field playing under the supervision of their parents. They look away for a second or two. And next thing, you know, their kids are gone. And there's not a trace. They mount a big manhunt and nobody can find them. Yeah, the whole Dennis Martin case is wild. I believe it's probably what you're referring to. You know, so it leads me to believe that these creatures can camouflage and hide in plain sight. You know, people think they may be looking at a

tree or a stump or a rock or a bush, you know, and they just don't know what they're looking at. and they can't, you know, some strange, some strange stuff is, there's a lot of things about this, this earth that we can't explain. Oh, I agree. Along the rest of your life, did you ever get to a point where you're like, you know what, I'm actually going to go out and look for Bigfoot myself, or was there no desire ever to do that? no i was i'm i was gonna uh i was gonna try to track down a dave eller down here in nashville to see if i could go out with him wherever he goes and and see if we can come up with with some encounters and um because

i don't know if the saskatch critters that they're seeing in this neck of the woods look anything like what, you know, we, I saw out in California. I know the stuff they see down in the, in the big thicket parts of Texas, they look more like, you know, apes. They got the face of an ape, I guess. And yeah, so they're, you know, and they're reporting that some of these creatures have three toes, four toes, five toes. you know, I don't know if that's interbreeding problems.

I don't know what causes that, you know. And I was going to say to you that there's a mountain resort in eastern Tennessee called McLeod Mountain Lodge. and a few years back my wife and I took my wife to that lodge. It sits up on top of this mountain and you can look out over Norris Lake and all it's pretty close to the Kentucky border. And so we spent the night up there. It's really a beautiful, beautiful place and beautiful rooms, great food. So the next day when we left, as I noticed.

that I didn't see, I didn't really pay any attention when we pulled into the, into the compound where this lodge is, but it's got about a 14-foot wall all around the, the lodge. And I thought that is kind of, why would they have like a 12 or 14-foot high wall around this place? That just, and on the face of the, of the, of the, of the lodge on the part of all the buildings where all the windows are. It's just a sheer drop off of just hundreds and hundreds of feet. You know, so it sits right on the edge of this cliff. So anyway, we're leaving the lodge. I notice the walls, makes me wonder. And as I go through the exit, I see this little sign. and by the way there's not on the on the road that goes from this little town of Lafoyette or something like that all the way to the top of the mountain nobody lives up there you got to go clear the top of the mountain before you see two or three cabins plus this lodge and that's it there's just there's nothing there's nothing up there hardly just a few little cabins so anyway go out the gate on our way home I see this sign it says

something like Overlook or something like that. And it's got an arrow pointing to the right. So I thought, okay, well, let's go drive over and see what this overlook looks like. So we drive out there about a half a mile and the paved road starts to get pretty effie. And then it goes to dirt. And then it goes, it got to the point where it was actually a four-wheel drive road. So I keep going and I finally find this place called the Overlook. And it's a part of the top of this mountain that is solid granite.

And I'm not sure who did it, but they built all these wooden walkways with handrails all over the top of this, top of this granite kind of part of the top of this mountain. mountain. And it was about, I would say that the area that this walkway covered was maybe three or four acres, pretty good size. So anyway, we take some pictures and we get back in the truck and we're headed back out to the road that goes down that mountain. And my wife is looking at Facebook page and sending pictures to all our friends. So I'm driving out here. And I just, I was going really slow because it's, yeah, yeah, I had to be in four-wheel drive to get out of this thing, big deep ruts and all this stuff.

And I looked off to my left and I, and I see a tree formation that just looks odd. So I stop and back up. And I look at it and I thought, this is, looks like a Sasquatch trail marker that I've read about. So I got out and I walked over to it

and there was a footpath pretty well-worn footpath that went from the area next to the road, this dirt road, four-wheel drive road, and it kind of went

up the side of this really steep part of the hip. I don't think I could have walked up it. It was that steep, but it was well worn. It had a lot of foot traffic on it. And so right next to this path, there was a sapling, a pine sapling about, I want to say, about three inches in diameter and about from where the tree came out of the ground

up to where it had been twisted and then snapped. And I looked at that and I thought, that doesn't happen in nature. And I looked around at other trees and there are no other damaged trees next to it at all. And then down below it, about five or six feet, there was another sapling that was about, I want to say the tree was about 25, maybe 30 feet long. And it had been bent into an arc. and then the top of the tree was jammed down into the, into the ground. And then there was, there was nothing else holding the tree. It was just the top of the tree jammed into the dirt, and it held that tree in a perfect arc.

That doesn't happen in nature either. That's some, that is some wild stuff. Wow. Yeah. So I got home. I got home later that. It's about a two and a half hour drive over there from where we live. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors.

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Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, we've all seen that stuff. So anyway, that's kind of what's back there. Wow. And these little towns are kind of small. And, you know, so it's just kind of of remote up there on top of McLeod Mountain. So anyway, I drive home and the next day I get on the computer and I track down this guy Bob Strain and I come up with his wife, Kathy Strain,

and it tells all about her that she's an anthropologist. She works for the U.S. Department of Forestry and when they, when they are in the national forest, then they come upon Indian remains then that's her Bailey Whiff. She works with the Indian tribes to do whatever the Indian tribe wants to do with those bones. You know, take them someplace, bury them someplace, you know, re- bury it. I don't know, whatever they do. But that's, but because of, because of her job and because she's out in the forest all the time, in pretty remote parts of the California forest.

She's come into contact with these things. And so I sent her a messenger. I didn't know what her phone number was. I didn't know what her email address was, but I found her on Facebook and Messenger. So I sent her a picture of this thing, and I said, what is this? And she wrote right back within maybe half an hour or so

and said, oh, that's a Sasquatch trail marker. Where is that? And I said McLeod Mountain in East Tennessee. And she said, yep, they're just marking the trail. And so that's kind of what, so as I drive around Tennessee, and I'm a motorcyclist, even at, I'm 79 and I'm still riding motorcycles, you know. But I wrote them all my life on the highway patrol, had them as I was a kid, can't get motorcycles out of my, out of my blood.

So we got, we got beautiful backcountry. country roads here. The roads are well paved. They go out in the middle of nowhere. And I'm always looking for any kind of tree structure that just looks odd. The road that I live on has about 12 houses on it. And it's about not quite a mile long and it dead ends. It dead ends. It dead up the up the hill from me. And from that point on, it's about 15,000 acres of nothing but undeveloped woods. The only thing that goes through that 15,000 acres

is an underground high pressure propane line that goes from Nashville to Knoxville. And it's buried underground, but there's a big clearing on, you know, so they can have access to go in there and work on that line if they have to. And I take my four-wheeler and I go back in there. And I have looked all over that place back there,

looking for any kind of weird signs of anything. And I have yet to find it. But I'm going to dig up Dave Ellers. I'm going to see if I can figure out how to get a hold of him. I know that they just had a Bigfoot conference down in McMenville, which is about an hour and 20 minutes from my house and I didn't know it or I would have been there because Eller was there

who's the guy with the Sierra Sounds? Ron Moorhead. Yeah, Ron Moorhead. He was there and a bunch of other people were there. Oh, you're talking about the Tennessee Wildman Conference. Yeah, it just happened just a few days ago. Supposedly phenomenal. Yeah, there are a lot of really,

you need to go next year if you can make it because the people there are all fantastic people. I've met a lot of them, and they are just great individuals. These aren't people that are delusional. No. You know, these aren't people making up stories. You know, Ron Moorhead tells some pretty spooky stories

about where they, he was up there with those people, and they went inside this tree or something. And it wasn't them that made it, but it was already there. And they went up and it was kind of like this camping spot up in the Sierra mountains. And they were back miles and miles back in there. And almost immediately when they got back there, they heard tree knocks and whooping and hollering and carrying on all night.

until it got down, it got down right in their campsite. And they took refuge in this hollowed out tree. And somebody had created this out of logs or something that were chained together. They could make this little fortress in this hollowed out tree. And they all got in there to protect themselves because I guess there was some pretty, aggressive stuff going on out in their campsite. And that's some pretty spooky stuff. But do you believe that our government knows all about these creatures?

Oh, totally. Absolutely. They know more about these things than anybody on the planet, probably. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually got one in captivity. Dude, I've heard some wild stuff. it's like if there's all the UFO stuff and that that's coming out you know that I mean you hear all these stories about stuff around bases or sightings on bases in certain areas you know that there's there's got to be some bigfoot that are in some people even think that the bigfoot stuff

is related to the UFO stuff coming out and I mean that's an interesting viewpoint these these these these light orbs in the in the forest you know and uh they see all this kind of stuff and uh you wonder what the heck is that stuff you know it's it's very very interesting because there's no right or wrong answers and it's like every answer you find leads to 10 different questions and yeah it's it's crazy stuff you know the the indians you know they've they've had relationships with Kathy Strain's got this book and I've got a couple of books I'm going to go on Amazon

and see if I can find them and because all her, all those encounters that she writes about are just the stories told to her by the Indian tribes. The Lakota and the, you know, and the Navajo

and the Apache and all those folks. And I think it was either the Navajo or the Apache drove them out of Arizona and drove them back up in, you know, up in the northern Utah and up and up and there. But, you know, there's, I mean, I've listened to so many credible podcasts where, you know, these helicopter pilots and their observers are out flying these big power lines just to make sure that, you know, tree limbs or branches or debris aren't, you know, interfering with the transmission lines. And they're out in the middle of nowhere, you know, out in places that would take you a day

or two to hike into. And here's a, here's a male Sasquatch, Mama Sasquatch, and baby Sasquatch, just out there in the middle of nowhere. And in some cases, these things will stand their ground, other times, they just run away. It's wild stuff. It's mysterious. It's mysterious. And this guy, Ron, the Dave Eller down here in Nashville, I've listened to him on YouTube when he's, and he seems to be pretty fearless.

And he was talking about. on a podcast I listened to recently. He was talking about someplace east, west of Nashville, out in the woods north of Interstate 40. And he came to this place. He called it a glade. And it's just a place in the forest

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the internet that showed where some of these glades might exist, but I couldn't find anything. But these had some pretty, pretty, and there's another place where a lot of

Bigfoot sightings land between the lakes. Yes, in Kentucky. Which is over. Yeah. Yes, part of it's in Tennessee. Part of it's in Kentucky. It's where the lakes were formed back in the 1800s when had this big earthquake and the Mississippi River

reverse course and created these lakes. And I even read that it said that the that the, that the earthquake was so severe that it rang the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia. Now, I don't know about. that's pretty that's a wild one but that same area is a wild one it's pretty heavy with a dogman sightings as well the whole land between the lakes area yeah judy and i went in there we were on our way back from um shit some camping trip out and um out maybe in south go to somewhere and we we came through there and we were going to we and uh we spent the night there in this campground in the land between the lakes. It is an unusual place.

But that was, but I wasn't into Bigfoot. I wasn't looking for anything at that time. And I wasn't thinking about that. But later on, when I started listening to this Dave Eller guy, then I thought, wow, they got a lot of sightings over there. But you got to go out and you got to get away from people. and where people normally go. And then you'll, I guess you'll run into these things.

I don't know. Oh, absolutely. I mean, you got to get back out into nature and who knows what you'll find. So be prepared. But Mr. Black, this has been a awesome chat. It's gone places that I wasn't expecting it to go. And I'm glad it went to all the places it did. But thank you so much for contacting me.

And I hope that you stay in touch. and with any other interesting things that happen in the next coming years. I've got some friends that are retired from the patrol in California, and they live down here in Warren County, and they live out in the middle of nothing. And I'm going to, I haven't seen these guys for a couple of months, and I'm going to see if those guys have seen anything, that they're just keeping to themselves, you know.

There you go. And because they decided that they were going to be, you know, they're going to raise some chickens and they're going to have a goat or two, you know, and that kind of thing. And I can't think of anything that might make a good meal than a chicken or a goat, you know, for some of these, you know.

And, and, you know, and a lot of my friends here hunt. And, you know, lot of the people that see these bigfoot are hunters. And the most fascinating stories to me are told by hunters who really, really tell some kind of bone-chilling stories about these, these critters and how some of those guys have shot those things. And they just run off. They

don't die. They're shooting them with seven millimeter mags. They're shooting them with all kinds of 30-a-sixes and they can see the round go through this thing. They can see a tree bark or something fly as a bullet goes through them. And these things scream and yell and carry on and just run off. And, you know, never to be found again. It's just, I don't know if you can kill these things or not, you know? You know, it's wild. I, you know, who knows, maybe someday someone will, will see.

but if you ever run into, you know, anyone you're talking to that has any other interesting things to report as well, you can always feel free to pass on my information. I'd love to talk to them as well. But I'll do that. I know that the other night I was listening to this podcast and these two truck drivers, husband and wife are going up up some. They were in Minnesota and they were traveling along this road up the kind of parallel to Mississippi. River and they see this black hawk helicopter hovering just above the tree line and as they continue to drive along in their truck wherever they were going to deliver freight why this black hawk uh kind of uh increases its elevation and uh and there's a big cable hanging below the helicopter

and below that is a huge white bag that's attached to the cable to attach to the bottom of the helicopter. And within just a few minutes of them seeing that, both their cell phones rang. And there was a message that said, we want to talk to you. and they said they just they just deleted the message from their voice message and they just kept on driving now that's creepy that's some wild stuff you never know what's going to happen for sure it's crazy you got to it's good good good talking to you and uh thanks for taking the time to uh listen to to my crazy crazy story you got it mr black keep in touch sir thank you for chatting tonight.

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