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Episode Date: July 30, 2022

#140Aaron Deese is a native Floridian writer and podcaster currently based in Austin, Texas. He is the executive editor of Paranormality Magazine (whatever that means) and co-host of the podcast and blog Hey Strangeness, which he produces with his wife Sara. Aaron has been captivated by the unsolved since childhood and is pretty sure the Loch Ness monster is dead. Aaron and Sara live with WAY too many cats and are expecting their first child in the Fall of this year. You can follow Aaron and Sara on Instagram under @hey_strangeness, and should absolutely subscribe to Paranormality Magazine.For more Aaron Deese content on Bigfoot Society be sure to listen to my previous interview with him, Episode 88.Episode Resources:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/hey_strangeness/Twitter - https://twitter.com/hey_strangenessYoutube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfrG3mgdRH5J4y2TsiTZwAQ/featuredSubscribe to Paranormality Magazine https://paranormalitymag.com/membership-account/membership-levels/_____________________________Join us over on Patreon! Get access to an extended audio interview with Aaron, a whole library of extended shows, exclusive merch like a membership card and stickers, watch me interview guests weekly live on video, a Patron-only Discord and more.https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyPick up a Bigfoot Society shirt to rep the podcast!https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietyTune in every Saturday at 5 pm Central for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QIG: https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Website: https://bit.ly/3jvKIm7Shop: https://etsy.me/3ptlubQiTunes: https://apple.co/3fmmhTCSpotify:Smart Passive Income PodcastWeekly interviews, strategy, and advice for building your online business the smart way.Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the show

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Make sure you pick up one of those. Actually get a subscription. Get them all. They're great. Anyways, back to Aaron Dees. Have a great conversation with him. about an upcoming project that we're actually going to spill the beans on tonight on Bigfoot Society. So sit back and relax.

And if you're out jogging listening to this, make sure you watch for oncoming traffic. As I interview Aaron Dees from Hey Strangeness about something that's going to just rock your face off. Thanks for listening. All right, Bigfoot Society. We have a really fun episode planned to. night. I've got Mr. Aaron D's from Hayes' Strangeness back for some more time. And I'm excited to have you back. Dude, what's going on? Not a whole lot. Well, actually a whole lot. That's why you're here. That's what you always say. Oh, not much. Oh, whatever. Yeah. A bunch of fun stuff, man. Thanks so much for having me on. I'm super hyped to be here. Dude, I am legit excited to have you here. Oh, my goodness. Like when you first I told me about what what's going on like I was super pumped but let me get my stuff all up to

actually I want to I want to ask you first because the one of the things I really like about you Aaron is that you are a guy who's constantly reading and you love to usually from what I know you like to read your book are you reading anything cool right now or maybe because you've been writing it's you know you know I've kind of taken a break from like the paranormal hardcore stuff I am reading Real Wolf Men of America by Linda S. Godfrey. Just doesn't have a great book. But then just a couple old Crichton novels, you know, some stuff to kind of just like let my brain chill out a little bit. That's where I'm at right now.

Dude, that's awesome. And say here's the thing like what I found is I'm constantly in this cryptid stuff. You need something to just switch off and I'm not going to lie. I watch Adam the Woo and I watch Jacob the Carpet Bagger. watch like ordinary adventures which are these this couple that go to Disney parks and talk about Disney stuff yeah because sometimes you got to switch off and just be like cruise control you have to you got to right so that's that's the lesson uh listeners you got take a little break from the cryptid stuff but the rest of the time you go cryptic stuff 10010%

you go you go you go but then you do a little star wars too i was watching i was watching uh Rogue One clips before this. And dude, I forgot how great that movie is. Let's talk about Star Wars for a few minutes. You can talk about Star Wars all night. I know how it. I know. It's like, forget this. The thing is, it's like, I am so hyped up for that

Rogue One prequel. You got, you got them. These are the ones I read this year. Yeah. I don't know how they can make the Rogue One thing better, but they're going to. Like, I'm just glad that Cassie andander is going to get more screen time. You know, because you get, he does cool stuff. in the movie and you get the impression that like man this guy has seen some things he's done

some things now we get to see those things oh my goodness that's so good and then i was watching the the clip from when luke is uh training oh this is going to be spoiler town USA but well you've had a while um it's on disney plus yeah it's on zizzy plus luke is training baby yoda in a mandolarian that scene is just like serotonin uh nostalgia that never existed overload because i love return the Jedi so much. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was, that was pure poetry. Oh, my goodness. Just awards all over the place.

So, my dude, now that we've talked about Star Wars and we've lost half the listeners. Everybody's like, ah, never mind. You're listening to other podcasts. Your next review is really good until it became a Star Wars podcast. Not sure what happened after that.

I really wish he would do more Star Wars episodes. There's the flip. Anyways. No, I love I love cryptids so much cryptosology. So my dude, I know the answer. You do. But everyone is wanting to know what is Aaron D's up to that is so secretive and amazing and that we're letting people know right now. Yeah.

So this is a Bigfoot Society newsbreak. This has not been announced publicly anywhere else. Yeah. And I cannot think of a better place to do it. But my first book is coming out. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, man. My first book is coming out.

That's so good. This year. And we don't have, we don't have the exact date yet. We're still kind of working out details on that. I'm thinking the fall, hopefully in time for the holidays and all that, because I'm having a kid after that. Congratulations. During that. Thank you.

Thank you. That's so cool. Sorry, I can't go 10 minutes without talking about my kid. As you should. But yeah, it's, it is, should I say who's publishing it or should I tell you the title first? Let's start with what So what's it about, Aaron? The book is called The Texas Dog Man Triangle.

Oh my goodness. And it is, and I'm just going to say, Jeremiah, you manifested this a year ago. A year ago when we released our podcast episode called the Texas Dogman Triangle. You were such an outspoken supporter of it. And you said you need to write a book about this. And I thought, what? Ah, hey, that's a neat idea. Thanks, Jeremiah.

You're a nice boy. And now here we are. I absolutely did, Aaron. I was like, I remember talking to you afterwards. I was like, stop what you're doing and start writing a book about this now. Like, yeah. And I didn't. I sat on it for 10 months and now here we are.

Not quite 10 months. Thankfully, thankfully you start writing it though. Yeah. I had some groundwork lane when the publisher and I started talking. But it is kind of a, I don't know what the right word is. not a guide, not a compendium, but a collection. Yeah, it's a collection of encounters in the state of Texas with werewolf and or dogman like beings. And I'm going to use the terms dogman and werewolf interchangeably throughout this conversation, just FYI, it's because I do it in the book.

And I'm so excited about it. There are encounters going back over 100 years. We have some folklore accounts back from the late 1800s, early 1900s. We have some mid-century stuff that we have newspaper articles on, you know, in the 80s, the 90s, the 50s. And then we have some modern accounts. And there are two types of modern account in the book. One are these anecdotal, you know, accounts that aren't necessarily accompanied by evidence, but they're interesting stories and they fit the profile of these sightings. And then we have the modern accounts with evidence. And we have, we have pictures. We have some video. I've been lucky enough to have a couple of witnesses send me video. And you can't put video in a book, obviously. True. But, but, but there is kind of a,

I don't know if an embarrassment of riches when it comes to evidence, but there's a substantial amount that people have kind of sent my way or that I've been lucky enough to stumble across in the last few months. And, uh, it's all going in the book. And I can't wait. Oh my goodness, dude. Like, does it? So I'm just going to like, let's take a second to kind of imagine. What if, like, the book that you're writing now, imagine in 2050, 2060, there's a show on discovery or the equivalent, and it's about the Texas Dogman Triangle. And like, it's crazy. This stuff that we're doing now is affecting the future of cryptisology. Like, you, you coined this term, right? The Texas Dogman Triangle, as far as I know. Sarah and I were trying to think of a catchy

title for a podcast episode about dogman encounters. And when we put these three encounters on the map, you know, you go Google Maps is such a fun resource. Oh, yeah, yeah. You go in there and you put these three encounters on a map, and then you draw lines between them and measure the distance. You get a triangle of 700 square miles. And we know, based on the research I've done,

we know that wolves, single wolves in a wolf pack will occupy and use as their hunting grounds, an area of 700 square miles or more or less. Really? But it's, yeah, it's not out of scope for them to troll around in that big of a space. And these three encounters that we first profiled in our podcast, each took place two years apart. So the kind of running theory was that, oh, this thing just sort of runs around in this triangle space and pops up every couple years. That's what people notice it.

My goodness. But then you zoom out and there's more. And you zoom out and then there's even more. And then finally, I had to put the whole state on the lens. And when I started writing the book, even after the publisher and I started talking, it was just going to be those three encounters in this space. That's the triangle. But there's so many essential pieces to the dogman narrative in the American Southwest,

Texas in particular, that the more I zoomed out on the map, the more I noticed like, look, they're concentrated, kind of in this area. And you can draw a triangle on a map anywhere you want. You can spend all day drawing triangles on maps. Right, right. You know, there's not, there's not some deep piece of like Native American lore or some natural law that places this triangle here. That's not it at all. Just kind of happen to be that way.

So the current triangle runs from the border of Louisiana, a town called Vider or Vidor, all the way west to a town called Cleo, which is now a ghost town. It doesn't exist anymore. Houston and San Antonio are. both in there. And then up north, the top point is right around Dallas, Fort Worth. And there's a few encounters up that way, both modern and kind of historical ones. So it's a really big area of space. And again, you can draw a triangle any size you want and eventually fit enough things into it. But we've got 15 encounters inside this triangle that are documented either through, you know, eyewitness testimony, physical evidence, both. And then there's

actually stuff from outside the triangle. I kind of had to blow it out from there because there's some really compelling stuff down by the Mexican border in an area area called San Benito. There's the Gregton Werewolf, which was documented by Fate Magazine back in 1969. And it was doing cartwheels to get that issue of fate to verify that that story even existed. I remember you looking for that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You found it? I did find it. I have it in Wow. Okay. Show it to you, but I don't know where it is.

Oh, no sweat. Yeah, that's right. But yeah, I actually was able to get a hold of a copy. It wasn't that hard. I found it on eBay. I got a hold of a copy of that edition of Fate Magazine. But the story, just this one, for example, like the whole journey has kind of been like this. You would find anecdotal mentions of this story, the Gregton Werewolf Online.

And all it said is in a 1969 or 1960, actually, sorry, 1960 edition of Fate Magazine, they told this story. they told this story. Well, there were 12 editions of Fate Magazine in 1960. So I did some more searching and some more running around and I forget exactly how I found it, but I found an article, an academic paper rather, on dire wolves in Texas because we used to have dire wolves here. Oh, buddy. And that gets mentioned in the book too. Oh, man. There were dire wolves here. Okay. And one of the sources cited in this academic paper, which I found in some schools database, I forget the university, listed the specific edition of the magazine, of fake magazine that the story was out. So then it was looking it up and trying to find it and purchasing the magazine.

But that was probably a week's worth of searching and digging. Yeah. Just to get a hold of that. And that's kind of how most of the journey has gone. I've picked out all the cases that I thought should be included, drilled down on all of them as much as I could, interviewed as many experts as possible, and tried to gather as many primary sources as I could. But that's not always possible for reasons that I'm sure we'll get into. Dude, that, oh, man, I am even more pumped to see this.

How many pages is? Everyone's got, how many pages is it? It's got to be a good size. I don't know. Okay, okay, fair enough. I don't know. As far as I'm aware, we're still working out things like dimension and page count. I can tell you, the word count is going to be somewhere between like 90,000 to probably 120.

which based on my research, based on the books I read is a fairly typical length for a book in this category. I kind of, I read a lot of Nick Redfern, man. I love that guy. Definitely drew some inspiration, you know, and kind of the way he puts his books together. Okay. In the way I've been putting this one together. So, but I'm thinking we'll be somewhere in the 200, 250 page length. That's so awesome.

I want it to be digestible. I want it to be something we can read without a huge time commitment. But I really want this phenomena with regard to this region to get the sounding time it deserves. You know, there's just a lot in it. There's a lot. I'm really excited for people to give their opinions on it. It is going to be the reference book for it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society.

We'll be right back after these messages. It sounds like you, you were putting your, the most you could put towards it in it. It's going to be amazing. I just know it is, dude. I'm trying. Can you, let's, we'll go back a few steps. So first I want to say, yes, there is a prior episode with Aaron on Bigfoot Society where we talk more about this. So definitely go back and listen to that as well.

That was a lot of fun to chat with you then, as it is now. But over your research, getting this book together. So let's say I ask you, What is Dogman? Did you figure out in your mind what's the definition to Aaron? That's the tricky one. Man, see, I don't know. And that's part of the book as well.

What are? Okay. Because you have encounters that point very strongly towards the biological, the unclassified species, the Sasquatch, as a lot of people think of it, you know. And there's a whole chapter on the parallels and comparisons between Dogman encounters and Sasquatch. Oh, yes. A couple of the people I was able to interview, which I'm sure will also get too soon, make that comparison as well. So there's some stuff in there about that.

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In general, that there is an unidentified species of canine living in the Texas Hill country that may be a mutant, it may be a hybrid. We do have precedent for hybrid canine species in Texas in the modern day. The Texas Teradog, of course, and the Galveston wolves, which are also talked about. Nice. I think this creature has the propensity or the ability to walk on two legs, whether it does so all the time or whether it does so for short. stretches. I don't know. That is what I believe. Now, the dogman phenomenon at large,

there's a lot more to it. There are encounters that, again, have a very supernatural element to it that sometimes involve telepathic communication and feelings of paralysis when people see these things. And the encounters in the Texas Dogman triangle don't really get into that territory as much. There's a little bit of it. Of course, you know, eyewitnesses are generally afraid when they see this thing. It's not a positive experience for people. Not a one of these encounters did I read and where the person was like, yeah, it was pretty cool. I saw something nifty. There's always a sense of like, oh, I don't know what that was. That wasn't quite right. You know, so it's hard for me, even after doing all this research and reading, to come down and

say, this is what I think dogman is because I'm not sure if it's just one thing. I think there might be different facets of the same gem. You know what I mean? I got you. I got you. So that's funny because I interviewed Nate from blurry creatures last night. And we kind of had the same discussion where it's like, you know, you talk about dog man. And it's like, it's never a fun story. And he was like, I actually heard of one. And I was like, really? And he's like, well, it may have been something kind of else. And I was like, that's not dog man. That's like wolf guy. Like there's like, he's like pretending to be dog man. But he's like, hey, kids. That was just an Irish wolf hound. They're so nice. You know, those Irish will founds, yeah. You don't, you don't tend to get positive feedback from people after they've seen these things. At least, you know, the encounters that I've read and the witnesses I've talked to.

And there are two witnesses I was able to talk to whose stories are not really published anywhere else. You're not going to find them. One of them recently talked to a podcast. You can actually hear his story there. I can't, I can't remember the name of the show. I'm going to look it up because I want to give credit where credits do. Yeah, I'm sweat. But this will be the only book that this story is documented in.

That's awesome. And then the other is actually a personal connection of mine who told us the initial story that led to the research into the Texas Dogman Triangle. He's actually the reason all of this got started in the first place. So, of course, his story is in there, you know, under assumed names. There are some assumed names. There are some omitted details. Okay, okay. Privacy is important.

It is, yeah. I understand that you lose a little credibility when you refuse to give people's real names or contact information. Or in one case, we do have to leave the physical location out. We have the kind of general area. And we can say that it's within proximity. I don't know like you saying we. We can say that it's within proximity of some other encounters in the book. But the witness did ask that his exact location not be shared.

I think that's all right to be honest. I think so, too. And his reasoning is not he's not so much concerned about privacy as he is about someone coming onto his land and getting themselves killed. Exactly. You know, so it's for safety. Yeah. But as much as possible, as many details and names are included as we possibly can.

And every other researcher writer or podcaster I interviewed did agree to have their names shared. So all of those people are listed out and, you know, quoted and credited. There's a lot of them. Dude, so it sounds like, so if you were to put a percentage on how much of, of this book is new information. What do you think? 20%? Nice. That's cool.

If I knew you mean... You can't find it anywhere else. Can't find it anywhere else. I'll tell you about 20%. The pictures that were sent to me by a witness who goes by John are not anywhere. Really? I shared one of them on our Instagram not too long ago, but they're not anywhere. I think he may have shared them with some other researchers at this point. I actually...

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the one you shared when the big kerfuffle happened about he who must not be named. I was so frustrated. So I've been sitting on this... Let's not get into it. Let's not get into it. I've been sitting...

I'm going to because it makes me so sad. I've been sitting on this... Be nice, sir. Be nice. Of this. No, I'm just going to talk about this. I'm trying to get him on, dude. I want to interview this guy.

I'm trying to. Let's ask him all the questions. I really want to. I will be in the audience and I will be respectful. But I will be in the audience. I know you, you'll be like, what's that noise? It's Aaron grinding his teeth in the corner. No, I... This was the timing. I sat on this picture of this seven-inch footprint for like a month because I was like, okay, I know this is going into the book.

I don't want to release it out too early, but I do want people to look at it because this is a compelling piece of evidence. And it's a picture of a track of some kind of animal in the dirt. It measures about seven inches across. And it's taken in the northern part of Texas. There are no predators of that size. These are not supposed to be. Your average mountain lion track is five and a half inches. So seven is big. So it could be an unclassified species. It could be a very, very big mountain lion, but either way, it's unusual. And I shared it the exact same day that this viral one went off that turned out to not be at all legitimate. And I was like, man, if I'd shared it two days sooner, maybe it would have done a little bit. And then the next day, I made a meme complaining about it. And that had four times the engagement. engagement of the initial post. Dude, the memes are where it's at, man. I guess.

Anyways, yeah, but that's right. You did share it. I mean, if that's just a taste of the stuff that's going to be in the book, that book is going to be rock and roll. I'm excited. I have the most photographic evidence for that case, so much that I can't include it all in there. Wow.

I don't think we'll be able to include all of it. Okay. But there's a lot, footprints, claw marks, a lot of stuff. Can you give us a peek into who you... So I'm going to ask you questions. And as an author, you can say, eh, let's not do the...

It's my job to ask the questions. Yeah, ask away, bro. There's not a whole lot that's confidential. Okay, okay, cool. So can you give us a peek and don't give away the farm about who you were able to talk to for this? Oh, yeah, I'll tell you. For interview for, like, people, you know.

Yeah, I want everybody to be credited. I want all of their names out there anywhere this has talked about. I'm going to go in no particular order. And if I forget somebody, I'll come back to them later. Christina Downs, executive director of the Texas Folklore Society. She's also a professor at North Texas University. Our good friend Lyle Blackburn, noted author and cryptosoologist. Michael Mays, Texas Cryptodhunter, also a mutual connection of ours.

Ken Gerhard, I didn't interview him for the book, but he did point me towards a case that otherwise probably wouldn't have made it in there. Amazing. Yeah, I consider him to do. I told him. You're in the acknowledgments. Yeah,

yeah, yeah, cool. Jody Cook, the North American Dogman Research Project. I think he and I talked for close to two hours one night, just going over all this stuff. He's so much fun. He's such a fun dude to talk to.

So yeah, there's a lot of stuff in there that he helped to contribute. John Gonzalez, true horror stories of Texas, which if you never check that website out. I haven't. I need to check that out. Yeah.

It is one of the best websites out there, if not the best, for stories about strange encounters in the state of Texas. And it runs the whole gamut from ghosts to doppelgangers, UFOs. And there's a ton of crypted stuff on there. And there's a lot of dogman stuff on there. Wow. Okay. There's dogman and werewolf encounters that are not featured anywhere else. Like, they just aren't anywhere.

John was nice enough to talk with me and also, you know, said anything on the website you could use in the book, man. Nice. Go for it. So, yeah, that's been invaluable, invaluable. Rob Nichols, Bear County Bigfoot on Instagram. Yeah, I'm going to talk to him in a bit because of your recommendation. He's a cool dude, man. He's a nice guy.

I can't wait. He's a genuine researcher. He has been documenting Sasquatch and Bigfoot activity or suspected Bigfoot activity in the San Antonio area for around four years. Wow. And I won't ruin anything. I'll let him talk about his interview, but he's got some good stuff to share. And he provided some really interesting anecdotes that kind of led me in another direction. And that direction led me to more dogman encounters that correlated with what he said.

So there's a lot of people involved. Ashley Hilt, another mutual friend of ours. Jesse and Joe of Helmunt Holler. Nice. Some great input from them because they've done so much on the ground research into the dogman phenomena. Of course, I'm going to talk to them if they're interesting. And they were so helpful. And so helpful.

Kenzie Gleason, of course, our mutual friend. Dude, I love this. I want to I love it and there's more people that I have on the list that I'm hoping to get in there but I haven't finalized things with them I'd say that's a great like snippet of that should tell people that you got to get this book because I love how you are bridging the old school with the new school community and that's awesome dude yeah because you have these these these folks that you associate with crypto zoology and paranormal phenomena and you should you should because they're awesome but we all. also have this upcoming wave of, oh yeah, not even wave, they're already here. It's a flood of researchers and creators.

Oh, yeah, it's game on, dude. Yeah. You know, so if, and all of these people

that I've mentioned and then more that I haven't mentioned yet, it kind of helped me get to this point and inspire me to take this project on. That's awesome. Encourage me to put myself out there in a way that eventually I think connected me with the publisher. So I really wanted to give as much credit as possible,

you know, to those people. There's this other guy on there. I'm trying to remember his name. He likes, orange. He runs some kind of a society. I'll never tell. He runs some kind of a Sasquatch collective.

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Did you know that? Ron Reed, he's a cool dude. Yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah, but Bigfoot Society is also a cool guy, just saying. Well, you know, Bigfoot Society is breaking the news about this book. I am honored that I'm one of the people that you interviewed for the book. He sent some questions over.

It's awesome. So I'm so stoked to have you in there. Very cool. Yeah, your input is valuable. Very valuable. Awesome. And there's a couple other people. people, other mutual connections who may be listening to this, who I'm hoping to include, I just

have not emailed you yet because life is chaos. But, you know, there you go. Through the writing of this book, have there been situations that have occurred from it that have just like, you've been like, what is even happening right now? Yes. Okay. I did share any of them. There are two people I interviewed that I forgot to mention. I'm sorry. And I was going categorically. Courtney Swyhart of a small town monsters. And my wife Sarah, she is a veterinary, both of them are veterinary technicians with 10 years. True. So, you know, their input on dogman anatomy and potential just things there is proven and valuable. I knew I was going to leave somebody out when I talked about interviews. I always do that. But anyway, weird things that have happened? Was that the question? Sorry.

Or anything where it's like, oh, I can't believe this is happening to marry me right now. What is life? You know? Yes. Stuff like that. Constantly. Okay. Lyle Blackburn agreeing to be quoted in my book and let me reference his work. That's cool. Excuse me, pardon me. You're good. Got excitement burps. Oh, yeah.

The week that I emailed him, I think I emailed him on a Saturday. I was like, hey, Lyle, you know, I interviewed. And I had already spoken with him previously. Jack Kirby at Paranormality Magazine introduced us. Yes. Jack, I didn't interview Jack for the book, but without. his support, I don't think half of this would have happened because he introduced me to half of these people. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages.

He introduced me to Lyle. He introduced me to... That's amazing. A lot of folks that eventually contributed to this book directly or indirectly. So hats off to Paranormality Media and Jack Kirby, of course. But yeah, I emailed Lyle, I think on a Saturday. And that following Monday, I might be getting the days wrong. his podcast episode of Monstro Vizarro on Southern Werewolves came out. And I emailed him. He said, yes, the podcast dropped. And then he emailed me before I had a chance to respond and said, coincidentally, I just released this podcast. Wow.

You know, so that I spoke with him on the phone. And he kind of provided just background details as far as he knew them. And he was like, yeah, man, you can reference the podcast. You can quote me. And I'm just like, wow, Blackburn. Dude, that's rocking, man. Oh, my goodness, yeah. And then talking to Michael Mays, one of the cases in the book is the Beast of Bear Creek or the Cleo monster. And that's a really, really interesting one because it's kind of two stories that have sort of been intermixed that may or may not be related.

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and stuff because he liked to do that. Then there's this other story about the Beast of Bear Creek or the Beast of Cleo, which is the town, Cleo is the town where this, you know, all is supposed to have taken place. And the story is the, this is a Native American shaman who had the ability to transform into an upright walking wolf a la Skinwalker legends.

Right, row. Yeah. And he would terrorize people and kill their livestock and all this stuff because he wanted revenge, you know, on the things that were done to his people. What those things were, We don't really know what name, what his name was or what tribe he was a part of. We don't really know.

This is an old story. And part of the problem is that Cleo is a ghost town. Nobody lives there anymore. The people that heard this story as it was being told are all dead. And their descendants have either moved to other parts of the state or the country or don't bother to tell the story anymore. So there are only a couple places online where you can really read about it. And one of them is Michael Mays's website, Texas cryptodontas. Wow.

So Michael Mays grew up in the Texas Hill country. He was a Boy Scout. He heard this story growing up. So as far as I'm concerned, he is as close to a primary source for this story as we can possibly get. So that was really enlightening. He was really able to fill in a lot of details for me. And then the other fun part is these faces that Patterson would chisel into the side of, you know, rocks and stuff. One of them is this very beastly, ghastly, aggressive.

Honestly, the Lonchaney Werewolf is what immediately comes to mind for me when I look at it. Wow. Big Fangs, kind of squat features. It's called the Cleo face. And the idea, the story is that this carving is a depiction of the Beast of Bear Creek, of this, you know, werewolf shaman type guy. Oh, wow. And maybe Patterson knew the story, or maybe he had seen the thing himself.

that's not really specified. But the land on which this carving sits is now private property. And the last known picture of it was taken in 1969 by a journalist named Mike Cox. Long story short, the pictures in the book. I got copyright permission to put the picture in the book. And as far as I'm aware, this picture of the Cleo face that was taken in 1969 is not featured in any other modern publications. Oh, man. Within the last 20 years and no paranormal or cryptozoology books.

So I'm really excited to be able to. There's a few things like that that. I kind of was able to get a hold of and see. Dude, that's awesome. So I'm excited to, like, share this stuff with the community and bring these stories more into light. And, you know, hey, let's look at these old folk tales in contrast with modern cryptosological science. You know, I'm very excited about that. Oh, my goodness.

That's amazing. I can't wait to see this, dude. This is going to be great. That was kind of a stream of consciousness. I'm sorry. But those are two of the big moments. That was so good. When I got the email from the University of North Texas saying, yes, you have permission to use the picture.

sure. Oh, man. How cool is that, dude. So happy. Wow. Oh, dude. I'm loving it. Also, in case I can't remember if I mentioned it yet, but you, I want to make sure listeners know you are the executive editor of Paranomality magazine. I am. People should be checking that magazine out because it's really rocking. So everyone, check out Paranomality magazine and get yourself a copy. There is some truly, can I plug the magazine for just a second? Please go ahead for a few bits. There's some truly groundbreaking stuff in this month's issue. Like relating to the Fresno Nightcrawlers, and it's huge. And it's not my story to tell, so I'm not going to go down on that. Nick Valenzuela did all that work.

Oh, nice. He is legend. But there's more to the Fresno Nightcrawlers than we know. Wow. We know now. So check it out. Check it out. Dude, I'm loving it, man.

I'm pumped for it. let's get let's get back into the book but i wanted to make sure you you got you know the proper credit you should thank you we're about have well we're getting there but we haven't even uncovered or unveiled man who's the publisher dude oh we haven't talked about this yet i know right and if we didn't certain people be like what in the world dude that's one of the things i mean i'm excited about this whole thing i wanted to be a author since i was seven, eight, nine years old. Oh, cool.

Literally a lifelong dream for me. Oops. And getting to do it on subject matter that is so like weird and strange and specific. It's a huge honor. I don't even know. I'm just going to, oh man, okay. Small town monsters. Oh, my goodness.

So cool. It's publishing the book. It's so cool, dude. Wow. I have been an SDM fan for quite a while. A couple years ago, I was watching their documentaries and going, oh, it'd be pretty cool to run into Seth Breedlove and Heather Mosier at a convention one of these days. That would be neat.

And now I get to write a book with them. And I'm tremendously honored and I feel tremendously privileged. And you ever heard of imposter syndrome where you feel like you're faking it and you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing? You're just pretending. And it's only a matter of time before somebody figures it out. I've been experiencing that a lot lately. But I get to work with small town monsters. That's amazing.

That is so cool. I'm so stoked on it. Like I heard about less than a year ago, earlier this year in the Kickstarter campaign launched, where they were at on the publishing branch. I was like, oh, man, that'll be cool. I can't wait to see what books they put out. And then I got an email from Heather Mosier asking me if I would be interested in writing a book. And I was like, wow. Wow, this universe isn't so terrible after all.

Awesome. Dude, how amazing is this? We're good. We're good. I'm so hyped. And I did get permission to share this. I think yesterday, Heather was like, yeah, you can talk about it now. So I had this whole like backup thing planned where I was just going to talk about dog man if I didn't get the go ahead to, you know, drop the news because there's there's a plan and there's a process to this stuff.

And I don't know what it is, but, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to spoil anything. I'm not supposed to spoil. Dude, how crazy is that? Oh, man, because I know that, like, ever since I've known you, which has been a little bit of time now, you have always been into small town monsters. Coming up on about a year and a half, you and I have known each other. Yeah, yeah, since it was a clubhouse room. Aaron, sometimes you just look down and you're like, the weird thing is, like, I must have got a bug bite somewhere because, like, I am. okay.

It's not the monkey pox, is it? I don't know. What is? Let's not get into that. But I look down, literally, I have like a little like, like, I don't know. I'm good. We'll talk about it off air. I'm fine.

I'm fine. I just don't know. I don't want to talk about it right now. Anyways, let's talk about the book. We'll talk about it. Okay. So what do you want readers to take away from reading the Texas Dogman triangle? What's your goal?

Yeah. I was hoping you'd ask me that because I actually have an answer prepared for it. And there's two things I would really, really, really like to accomplish. Well, three. Can I have three answers? You can have as many answers as you want, my friend. Okay. I have at least three. One, I want some of these older stories that are a little harder to find details on like the Beast of Bear Creek and the Gregton Werewolf. I want there to be a more modern resource that people can order on Amazon and have access to these stories. You can read about the Beast of Bear Creek online and you can, you can read Michael Mays's article, which you absolutely should do, and you can read the works of Michael Cox where they're, you know, archived and they talk about it. But, you know, you can't find all of those stories summarizing all the dogman lore with a picture of the Beast of Bear Creek face. Like that, that has not been compiled yet. So I'm excited to put together stuff like that just to hopefully provide a resource for others who were interested in this. And also to, you know,

kind of preserve these older ones that are even becoming hard to find on the internet. There's even details that are obscure on the internet. So, you know, instead of having to do all the Googling, I want people to just have something available. And I'm also really hoping that this will inspire other people to come forward. Because if if I identified 15 to 20 encounters in the state of Texas over the last 100 years, there are more. Like, there are more we don't know about. People are seeing things that they're not reporting, as is the case with every paranormal phenomena. you know, Sasquatch encounters, UFO encounters, sea monster encounters.

There's a stigma that prevents people from coming forward. And even though we're in an era where the paranormal and the unsolved is probably being embraced more heartily by the population at large than it ever has, there is still that hesitancy, I think, a lot of the time. So I'm hopeful that others will come forward and maybe share their stories and maybe there will be a volume two one day, you know? Dude, I'm certain there will be because here's it. The thing is, is that this book is going to come out. Aaron's, Aaron will then be the Texas dog band guy because you wrote the book.

And the DMs will come. The letters will start coming. I hope so. And this. I call it, dude. I'm calling it. It's going to happen. I mean, you manifested the book, bro.

So. And this won't even be a completely comprehensive guide because there, there are documented encounters you can read about online. I just have not been able to get a hold of the person's story that is. Or I've gotten a hold of them and we haven't been able to sync up our schedules. So there's even some material that you can read about within the triangle, really just like one or two countered. Wow. But I couldn't get a hold of the person whose story it is.

And I'm not going to include anyone's story without their permission. That's awesome. That person will be referenced and readers will be encouraged to go seek them out and hear their story as well. but, you know, there's stuff we already know about that won't necessarily be in the book. So I'm very hopeful to network with those people in the future and, you know, get more of this out there as part of the same project. Dude, that is so cool. Is there, is there going to be a bibliography in the book? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, there's going to have to be because there's so many cited sources. And I'm trying to put together a glossary of terms, you know, because there's specific locations that are mentioned. Yeah. Like I think about the paranormal books that I, any books that I find. find really well put together. There's always a bibliography. There's always a glossary. You know, I need to know what page this city is mentioned on so I can find this story.

Okay. Well, so I'm trying to put that together. There's going to be a lot of illustrative copy in there. Oh, we can talk about the cover. I'm not going to show it yet because we're still working on it. Yes, please do. And I know, yeah, share what you can because it is very exciting. It's going to be so cool.

I'm so happy. I mean, you've seen it. You've seen the sketch. Like, everybody can know that. I, I, I, yes. And it was, it was amazing and better than I, I was expecting. Like, it's good, dude. I'm so happy.

Jonathan Dodd is the cover. Yes. Jonathan Dodd draws on Instagram and, you know, anybody listening to this right now is like, oh, yes, because Jonathan Dodd is genius. And that was honestly a process. Like, I think I spent, ever since I found out this project was happening, I've been trying to figure out the cover because you, you know so many talented and amazing artists in this community, you know?

And I wanted to pick everybody, but you can't do that. But, you know, Jonathan Dodd is doing the cover, and I'm very, very excited about that. There's going to be some illustrative copies, some sketches by Mike G. Art of the Morning Star, who designed the printed lotteria stuff that we put out there. Oh, this actually, I do have an example here. This is L. Mothman by Mike. Oh, you're going to have, so that stuff is going to be in there, too? Not this, but this artist is doing some sketches.

Oh man, that's going to be great. Yeah. Wow. So, yeah, there's going to be a lot of visual accompaniment because I like, I like books that have pictures and stuff. You know, it's like additional resources, I feel like. One, I'm a kid and I like pictures, but, you know, some of these pictures can be hard to come by, like the Cleo face,

that these spirit creeps. So excited about that. That is so cool. Oh, my goodness. I'm excited. And the thing is, is like, the cover the first time I saw it like the the work in progress cover I was like oh that is so amazing it's like when you're you're in you see the old school 1970s like paperback like weird

valentine you know not like it's it's really hard to explain what I'm saying but like I want I want to be able to hold it but I'm imagining it like as an old school 70s yeah paranormal like John Keel type book that you would find. If it does well enough, maybe we'll release a like pre-weathered special edition or something. I literally just thought of that off the cuff. That would be amazing. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages.

I'm so excited about it, man. Jonathan's awesome. And his interpretation, I just kind of, he was like, so what do you have in mind? And I just gave him this very vague image I had in my mind that when I say Texas Dog Band Triangle, this is what, what I think. of and he just nailed it. I mean, nailed it. Dude,

legit, legit. It'd be awesome. I got to ask you as well. Actually, actually, there was a question I wanted to ask you early. Why do you think, so you think a dog man and I think of Kentucky, but I also think of Texas. Why is there so much dog man stuff in Texas? Did you think of that question? in your research.

It's, it says a lot of stuff going on there for dog man. Why is it? That's kind of one of the things that I poke into. And I don't know is the answer. I think it depends on what aspect of the dogman phenomenon you're talking about. Because there is, again, like you said earlier, a very metaphysical, supernatural element to it that you hear about in a lot of stories.

And Texas is haunted as heck, bro. Really? Like any town, you pull up to any town and ask somebody who's lived there for a while if anything is haunted. They're going to point you towards something. So many. There are 511 ghost towns in this state. Whoa.

Five hundred and eleven. And there are only 2,000 something, if I remember right, in all of the U.S. So right away, you've got tons of history. You've got tons of just like... All right, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there. What's worse? Being understaffed or being poorly staffed? Well, that's a trick question, because both are recipes for chaos.

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Is it just because the state is so big, you know? I think that's part of it. Yeah, because it's a big state, dude. And we also have a fossil record and a, you know, a database. of fauna that tell us that wolves can live here they did live here for a long time wolves were native to texas until the mid 19th century when they were hunted and and extirpated and now they've been pushed out um same in louisiana same in other parts of the country wolves wolves posed a huge threat to human beings for a very very long time um and that's kind of another thing that i that i like to

get into in the book is that you know we just see them in pictures now and on tv but like our ancestors literally went toe to toe with these things. And in some cases, their continued existence relied on their ability to, you know, persevere beyond the wolves. So that's something I'm really excited to kind of examine because I don't think we fully appreciate just how dangerous and how perfectly attuned to their environment these creatures are. And so if you account for a species of wolf or canine that maybe has physical abilities beyond what we assigned to normal canines, maybe is a little bigger, a little muscular.

In some cases, might actually be resistant to gunfire. Ah, Skinwalker Ranch style, my friend. There are two encounters in the book. One is about the converse werewolf, which I encourage people to look up. And then the other is the witness I referenced earlier named John, where we have examples of these creatures being shot with almost point-blank range with firearms. both early 1900s firearms, which were probably something like flip-lock rifles, you know, and a modern firearm using a,

I don't know about guns and ammunition. I'm not an expert on that, but it's 3.36, I think, which is the ammunition used by most NATO militaries. And John, this is going to sound super outlandish, man, but I'm just telling you what I've been told. John describes unloading rounds of this caliber at one of these creatures, and they keep moving.

So, you know, but to get back to your question, I'm so sorry, why do I think there's so much dogman activity here? I think it's just an inevitability of the environment, whether it is the deeply rooted historical and sort of supernatural environment here because we have so many ghost stories and old superstitions and so much history, or whether it's the hill country itself, which is vast, vast, fast, pretty much every type of environment you can think of, creeks, caves. There are many lead-ins to the Edwards aquifer, which is one of the biggest natural water resources in the entire country. And there are lots of caves and stuff that go down into that. And you kind of have this underground cavern of water. So you have wet environments. You have dry environments. You have wooded areas.

You have swamps. You have just about everything other than like snow because it's the desert here. So, you know, that's a lot of food sources. That's a lot of water sources. That's a lot of space for something like this that there may not be. a ton of in existence, you know? It's an endangered species. Let's say there's a few, however, any of them. Something like that

could disappear into this landscape and not be seen very often. I'm pumped because you're saying you're saying there's similar, you found similar stories to the account and it's Skinwalker Ranch how there was the dire wolf, whatever

and like point blank, they couldn't hurt it with like, dude, this is this is going to be very interesting. I'm really excited. It was actually, it required a lot of effort not to just go on a whole tangent about Skinwalker Ranch while drafting the manuscript because automatically that's what you think of a wolf getting shot. And of course we, of course it's mentioned, you know, in these particular stories. But Skinwalker Ranch is such a, I'm just like, I can't do justice to it.

So I'm not going to try. It's too big. It's ongoing and it's too big. I feel like we've done, we've done justice. to your upcoming book. Were there any other things that you wanted to make sure that we covered before I completely tangent for about five minutes? That was everything, dude.

I was excited to talk about the people that I interviewed, and I was excited to talk about kind of the time span over which these stories take place because I think that's significant. You nailed it, bro. You're the best interviewer ever. No, dude. You are. No. No.

But here's the, thank you. I appreciate that. I'm from the best. The question I, and is, like one of those ones, you know when you're interviewing people and like something comes into your head and you're like, huh, that's weird. And like you don't have a plan. Does Texas have like, you know how Skinwalker Ranch is considered a window area and there's like Marley Woods in Missouri and just weird stuff like that? Is there any window areas that you've ever run into in Texas?

I think the great majority of the state, at least the central portion, the territories around and in between the bigger cities, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin. Because now you could argue that the reason we have more stories and more anecdotes out of these areas is because there's more people there. Sure, absolutely. But we have UFOs. We have doppelgangers. The black-eyed kid phenomena comes out of Abilene. That originates in Texas, as far as we know, at least in the modern sense.

We have lake monsters. We have dogmen and werewolves. We have a lot of very rich and beautiful. Native American lore, which I don't have the cultural knowledge to comment on. You know, I just don't, but there's a very long and rich history of First Nations peoples in Texas. So there's a lot of folklore and spiritual, you know, stuff associated with some of that. And then you have European settlers that came from all over the world. We have the German and the Irish and the Scots. So they brought all of their stuff with them. And some of the stories in

which these old werewolf encounters take place are actually German towns. and you know, Germany, of course, has very deep werewolf floor. So interesting little parallels. But honestly, most of the central southwest of Texas, I would say, is kind of a, okay. If not a window area, definitely a hotspot.

In particular, I would encourage people to look into Lake Travis. Lake Travis. Lake Travis is all those things I just mentioned are associated with Lake Travis. Really? Plus some missing 4-1-1 type stuff. About 20 people have gone missing there in the last. last 15 years or so. Oh, man.

And there's even a part of it called Devil's Cove. So interesting place to check out. That's that, yeah. Is that by your area or totally different area? It is literally half a mile for me in that direction. I live in far northwest Austin right by Lake Travis. And that's part of the reason it's become such a subject to study for me over the last year and a half.

Yeah, totally. Phantom Alligators. We talk about Phantom Big Cats, you know, like, Yep, yep. Panthers existing in places they're not supposed to. Rumor going around for 20 years that we had Phantom Alligators in Lake Travis. 2013, it turned out to be true. So lots of stuff.

Lots of stuff with Lake Travis. Sounds like you got a solid three more, three or four more books about different subjects. I hope so. Really quick. Especially if that's in your area, dude. That's awesome. I'm going to do some pitching. We'll see what happens.

Yeah. You know, it's like Lyle Black. Byrne said when I interviewed him, it's like, you know, his advice is find out the weird in your area and become the expert. I'm the expert on it. You've got the, you've got the access that other people don't have. So, dude, I love what you know. I heard him say that in a clubhouse room. Actually, before I met you, I met Lyle in a clubhouse room and he said that.

And I was like, wow, that's inspiring. Yeah. Oh, so good. So good. Aaron, thank you so much for coming on. So remember listeners, if you like this, go back and listen to the other episode with Aaron earlier. It was a while back, but you'll find it. And we talk more about the Texas Dog Man Triangle and more information.

And then definitely, you know, keep an eye out. The book is coming at some time. I don't know the release date yet, but this year. It should be this year. Oh, it will come. It will come. And like just a huge thank you to STM for taking a chance on me and letting you, you know, kind of be a small part of your crew. This is a huge honor.

I wanted to throw that out there. So thank you. That's awesome. That's awesome. And how can you take a few minutes to share how people can keep up to date best with what you're doing? Anything else that you're out there? The best place to follow me is on Instagram. Hey underscore strangeness.

That's the blog that Sarah and I run. I do most of it. But she encourages me and supports everything. do. So that's that's the best place, honestly. We're on the other platforms. We're on Twitter. We're on TikTok. We're on YouTube. I don't, I don't update those very much. Right. And then Paranormality magazine. Please follow Paranormality on Twitter. Follow your normality on Instagram. Because if I'm not updating, Hey, Strangeness, I'm working on something for paranormal. Dude, it's such a good magazine, too. Subscribe to that magazine, dude. Please do. It's like,

it's like two bucks a month for a digital. It's so worth it. It's like nine bucks a month for a subscription and I have all the physical copies. They're awesome. They're high quality. So please you. I don't make money off of this. I just want you to read it. You're almost, I would say I could say you're guaranteed, but from all the, from all the issues I've seen so far, you will have a solid article about a different cryptid every month. And solid, like one of the best resources. Those are primarily written by Jordan Heath Camp Fire Tales podcast. He's kind of a crepted profile guy right now. But every single issue has articles and interviews and resources.

These are things you're going to want to keep on your bookshelf for reference later. Totally. Really solid good interviews, too. Really good stuff. So good. Dude, Aaron, thank you so much for coming on. It's always a pleasure. And I can't wait to get the text.

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