Bigfoot Society - Open Phone Lines Episode 1 (10/13/22) MICHAEL FREEMAN FROM FREEMAN BIGFOOT FILES INTERVIEW AND NEW JERSEY JOE THE BIGFOOT WITNESS

Episode Date: October 15, 2022

Welcome to the first episode of Bigfoot Society Open Phone Lines.A live call in show on Youtube where I talk to people and hear their story live about the weird and unexplained.In the first part of the night, we were able to talk to Michael Freeman, son of Paul Freeman about his upcoming book "The Freeman Bigfoot Files". Thanks to Mike Casey from  @Bigfoot’n with Mike Casey Preorder the book here - https://hangar1publishing.com/collections/book-catalog/products/freeman-bigfoot-files-collectors-editionAlso, thank you to Joe from New Jersey who called in and shared his bigfoot sighting which was very interesting.Make sure you subscribe to the channel and hit that bell icon so you won't miss any upcoming Open Phone Line episodes in the future.Do you have a story to share or know someone who should call in?We'll see you at the next Open Phone Lines on Youtube!Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sunday nights at 9 pm CST.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q

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quite, you know, gravelling. And literally for about a second and a half, they just stood there because they don't know where to go and you tell them panicking, their face is like switching. Welcome back to Bigfoot Society, a podcast where we focus on cryptids, the strange and the unexplained of this world. If you've got a story or something weird to share, send an email over to me at Bigfoot Society at Gmail.com, and if you'd like to support this show, head on over to Patreon.com forward slash the

Bigfoot Society. And now, on with the show. All right, welcome to Bigfoot Society live. I figured out how to do take live phone calls. So, let's see. I'm going to do this for about an hour. We'll see if anyone calls in.

So if you have any stories to share, Anything at all. It's like coast-to-coast a.m., but with less people watching. So I'll be doing these. I'll figure out a normal rotation for these, but pretty cool. If you have any weird stories, anything to share about cryptids or weird stuff, go ahead, call the number.

It's on your screen coming across right now. Let's see. Call 515-809-0165. If you've got something cool to share, maybe you're researching Bigfoot and you have something cool that just happened, or you'd like to share an old story or maybe a new story, you can go ahead, give me a call. 515-809-0165.

Something cool I'm doing is I'm reading The Essential Guide to Bigfoot. Great book. You've probably heard of it. You should check it out. Also, let me do a shout out. Paranomality magazine. If you haven't gotten this, you should get it. This issue is great.

It has Cliff Berrickman in it. I mean, Cliff from the North American Bigfoot Center. You can't get enough of that. And here's another cool thing you should do. You should get yourselves a copy. of the Bigfoot times. So many amazing things from this. Let's take a look together, shall we?

Don't worry, Daniel Perez. I'm not going to, let's see. So, oh, this is actually the July one. I don't want the July one, although the July one is great. Here we go. I want October, right? Here we go. So this is what you're missing out on if you don't have the October.

issue of the Bigfoot times. Michigan Bigfoot hand print evidence. So good. And some notes on Paul Freeman. So Mike Casey, I see you're in here. There's a sweet write-up about Paul Freeman stuff. And the AI that's being, let's see, the process that's being used to clean up, Paul Freeman footage from Cliff Barrickman and Connor.

So pretty cool stuff. But if you like Bigfoot, you should really pick yourself up a copy of the Bigfoot times. For like 20 bucks, I think it's like 20 something a year. Don't quote me on that, but you check it out. Again, we're doing open and phone lines. share your story live call 515-809-0165 even if you don't have a story you just want to say hi give me a call I'm going to be doing this until 12 central time yeah that that's right Mike the Freeman files look like a great book I need to get Mike all right his name's Mike yeah

right Michael Freeman I think so let me look real quick Michael Freeman, thank you. That's a guy I need to get on the podcast for sure. He has got some pretty cool observations. And also he's got the way of looking at, you know, growing up in that, you know, seeing what happened to his dad and capturing that Bigfoot footage is pretty cool. And I don't think that I think that would be a pretty unique interview.

What else do I have going on? I got a new mic. This is cool. If you need a good mic for your podcast, check out the road pod mic. Definitely recommend them because, well, they know their stuff. And it sounds pretty good too. Roo do, too. Again, if you have any stories or anything to share,

call 515-809-0165. Let me try the mute real quick. Hopefully that worked and you couldn't hear me coughing. You could still see me coughing though because I didn't go fully off-screen. So, oh, let me show off some other stuff. Hey, look, it's a poster for the Van Meter Visitor Festival. That's right. You should go every year.

next year is September 30th. I like it so much that when they invited me to be on the planning, the festival planning committee, I said yes, which is amazing. Another cool thing that I picked up this year is the Map in Black, Iowa edition. It's not from Iowa.

So let's take a look and see all these cool things that are on the map in black. Well, that's interesting. There's a phantom kangaroo near Otamwa. Of course, we have the Okabogi Lake Monster. The Ventura Marsh Monster, which I believe is some type of humanoid. Viameter Visitor, of course, you know that one. That's west of Des Moines. West of West Des Moines.

That's the one we all know and love. multiple Bigfoot sightings, as we know, around the Fairfield area. That is back in the 70s. I talk about that in my episode about the Iowa Bigfoot Center. The cool thing about Iowa is that there are multiple, there are different mounds, of course. There's the Slendid mounds, effigy mounds, the little Makokotka, River mounds. That's in the northeast part of the state.

Let's see what else do we have. That's cool. Oh, there's some haunted stuff too. I'm not super into the haunted stuff, but let's go over some haunted stuff. Of course, in Veliska, which is in the southwest corner of the state, we have the the Velisca Axe Murder House. Not a good time. The Roseman covered bridge, which in the winter set area,

Madison County. I want to say that's one of the bridges of Madison County. Of course, it's a bridge in Madison County, but you know what I'm talking about. There's the older movie. The Devil's Chair Union Cemetery that's in Central Iowa. I think Chad Lewis has done a video on that. The Terra Terror Bridge, that sounds just like not a good time. Man, there's all sorts of crazy stuff we've never been to before.

There is the Lovers Leap Swinging Bridge over by Jefferson County. That's cool. An old Iowa State Penitentiary or jail in the lower southeast corner. Hmm, pretty cool, pretty cool. Let me do a shout out. to the top 10. Actually, I can't give this away. This is paranormality stuff. But I will say the top 10 paranormal, paranormal podcast for October 2022. Very interesting. Spoiler alert, Lyle Blackburn's podcast, Monstroo, is in there, which if you haven't heard it, you should really check it out.

I think you had a new episode come out today. And I had an episode. episode with Lyle Blackburn come out just the other day. Spoiler alert, for those that are watching this, there's going to be a lot more content coming out from Bigfoot Society coming up pretty soon. So hang in there and you'll see what I mean as early as next week. So it should be a good time. It will be a good time, actually. definitely will be a good time.

Again, if you're watching this and you have a story about Bigfoot, you have something weird that happened to you in general. Call 515-809-0165. That is the phone number. These are open phone lines right now. If you do share your story or the phone, it is recorded for the podcast. and definitely for YouTube

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Bigfoot as macho man Randy Savage. It's a classic shirt. I have a few of these left. If you want to check these out, you can go over to Etsy.com. Search for Bigfoot Society. I've got a few those. Once they're gone, they are gone.

Thanks to everyone that are watching me, just Babylon. But right now you've got open phone lines. So if you want to share your story or talk with me over the air, you can right now, 515-809-016. Give me a call. 515, 809, 0165. Bigfoot Anonymous, if you're watching this, call in. Because I know you're all about calling in.

515, 809, 0165, call in with your story and chat about Bigfoot. Do a little impromptu interview. You know the kind. Hmm. Let me share this. Let me share an older. edition of the Bigfoot times because any good cryptid guy that's in the Bigfoot is going to have multiple issues of this laying around his desk uh the July 2020 version of or a copy was all about

freedom man uh don moffat pretty cool the thing that i like that uh Daniel Perez started to do is he started to have people that went to different events. Oh, stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. We're getting our first call from Michael Freeman. To accept press one to send a voicemail. Hello, Michael Freeman. You're on the air. Hey, how's it going? Is this the Michael Freeman that, you know, is like, you know what I mean? The V Michael Freeman.

Yeah, totally. Like, am I Paul Freeman's son? Yes, sir. Is that we were asking? Yes, I'm Paul Freeman's son. That's awesome. Oh, man. Thanks for calling in.

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My buddy Mike Casey sent me your number and he said, Hey, you should call this. All right. Yeah, cool. Mike is a good guy. Thanks, Mike. So I thought I'd call in and say hi to everybody. Awesome.

So, yeah, I've been meeting to actually set up an interview with you one of these days. But, man, what is it? Let's just chat for a bit. So you're out in the Washington State area, correct? Yeah, I'm in Spokane, Washington. Okay. Okay. And I'll tell you the truth, Michael, I don't know a lot about you because I haven't, you know, done the time to research you before I've, you know, had the time to talk to you. But are you a Bigfoot researcher yourself, Michael? Not so much at this point, not like a boots on the ground outlooking all the time for tracks type of researcher.

I'm more of a historical researcher on the Blue Mountains, you could say. Okay. Yeah. Just, you know, trying to take all that evidence, you know, from the late 70s to the 2000s that all the people up there found and just kind of put it together and look for, you know, congruent features and try to build a picture of, you know, what I think the population was and, you know, what sex I think they were, things like that, you know, just trying to get a better picture.

I love that. Is that, are you covering that kind of thing in your new book as well? Yeah, there's a bit about that in the book. And, you know, what kind of conclusions I've come to at this point, at least, you know, what I'm thinking. You know, obviously there's a difference between thinking and knowing, you know, so, but kind of what my thought process is on that. And, you know, just like taking, you know, trackways and cast that were my dads and comparing them with West Summerlin. and Dave beat Bill Lowry and those guys and just looking for similarities, you know, and looking for differences and, you know, looking to see which ones we think are real and which ones we think maybe aren't real, you know, things like that. Something people don't, I guess, think about sometimes or realize, and it's not something that gets talked about. It is about by late 94, 1995, right?

anymore when they would find trackways. He wasn't even casting them anymore because he had become a lightning rod for hoaxers and pranksters. And they would give reports of casts and he had such a big network of friends and groups that you know, they'd give reports and go out there and they would find these trackways and, you know, they'd make casts of them or whatever and sometimes they're not good, you know. And it doesn't mean that the Blue Mountain guys were faking them, but somebody, you know, what I mean was playing jokes and they were pranking around and stuff like that.

So about 1994-95, my dad just quit casting completely. And he wasn't even making casting, you know, which leads into the story of how Meldrum met my dad and my dad took him to the five-point tracks in 1996. And, you know, Dr. Meldron cast those and we get this great trackway or whatever. Like my dad didn't even make it cast of them beforehand. So, but yeah, so, you know, just looking for stuff like that. And that's kind of, I guess, my situation right now. Sorry, I tend to ramble a bit.

No, that's great. Do we actually have a question that's in the comments. Do you mind if I bring this in? Yeah, go ahead. I know the guy who's asking this. So I'm going to say, hopefully this is the legit question. Carrick knows his stuff. here we go.

I understand this is from Carrick from Crash Course Cryptozoology. I understand Dwayne Freeman is also one of Paul's son. Is it true that Dwayne claims to have photographed to Sasquatch or was this a misunderstanding? Dwayne is my older brother. Okay. He's 12 years older than me. Yeah, my brother took multiple photographs on October 5th, 1988, just outside of the watershed, low Tiger Canyon Road.

he was actually with my dad. They were hunting, ear hunting together, and they were about 200 yards apart from one another. So that is correct. And if you haven't seen them, the photographs will be in the book. Oh, that's fantastic. Is there a lot of stuff that's in this book that is, you know, first time that we've been able to see it?

Yeah, most of the stuff in the book has never been seen. Wow. We have over 100. 150 pictures from personal photo albums and evidence catalogs. Some of the stuff has been seen. Some of the photographs come from, you know, like Jeff Melderham or Cliff Bergman. You know, courtesy of them. I have a couple of it or courtesy of the state of optics, you know, things like that.

But most of them are from personal photo albums. Pictures no one's ever seen. Pictures of tracks and casts and broken tree branches and hair samples and things like Bigfoot, like my brother snapped of those photos. still be in there. And then I also have about an hour of audio recording of my father speaking and telling a story in his own voice that no one outside of me has actually ever heard. That's amazing. And that's going to be included in the book as well. And we're going to have some video footage that no one has ever seen. That's going to be in the book. And that's going to

be stuff like, you know, him talking to David Bean or Roger Thornton or one of those guys or they're looking at tracks, they were following tracks in the snow, stuff like that, just footage that was shot that was never released. And of course, some new enhancements of the Freeman footage from D-D up spring in 1992. So the first question I have is, and I can guess how this is going to work, but you mentioned that there's going to be new audio and video in the, The book. So how is that exactly going to work? In the book. Yes. We're going to have scannable QR codes on the pages of the book. So you can just scan that with the camera of your smartphone. I'm sure you know how that works.

And then it's just going to pull up that audio or that footage. You can just watch it, you know, right on your smartphone. No DVDs or anything like that anymore. So technology is finally getting kind of cool. That's amazing. And that's through you're going through Hangar One. publishing with Doug Highcheck, right? That is correct. Yes. Very cool. Yeah, Doug is, he has figured out a very cool way to do that.

So get on here for that. It should be cool, you know. And another thing, you know, I mentioned you have all these pictures, the photographs in this book, we're talking like full page color glossy photos. Wow. So, yeah. So it's a large coffee tape. stable style book. Okay.

200 pages or so. Yeah. So we're going to do big bold full page color like AI enhanced photos on glossy paper. So it's going to be big and bold and you know, I mean at its heart it's it's it's an evidence catalog. You know for 15 years of research basically and then with the story of a man kind of wrapped around in it as well and then I have some really good contributors like Cliff Berrickman and Jeff Meldrum and for Stug, I check. Yeah.

Tom Powell, Jonathan Summerlin, and Dar Glasgow Addington have also written, you know, chapters for the book. And Dar Addington, this is the first time she's ever done anything public with Bigfoot.

So that's great. Yeah. It's really cool that I was able to get her on board. Yeah, I heard, um, I've heard some, some great stories about,

Dar, I'll leave it at that, but she sounds really great. Yeah. Yeah, Dar is lovely. Her name is not well-known enough. I mean, because she's a legend. I mean, an absolute legend in the Bigfoot field and happens to be, you know, out of the Blue Mountain researchers. My dad was a part of. She's the last one.

Exactly. Yeah. Which is huge. She has really good information. And one of the great things that Dar has, and it's something I've included in the book, because she has highly detailed field notes from trackway investigations. Oh, wow. Dates and times and who was there and what they did and what they looked at.

I've included in the book that's part of her section. And what she wrote is, you know, these detailed field notes of looking at tracks. Something I want to ask you. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, I was going to ask you. There seems to be, so there's a big focus on your father's, footage right now.

A lot of different areas. It's very popular right now. It's very popular. Can you talk at all? Like, there is a, I want to say, there's a few people that are trying to make the footage enhance it using different means. Is that anything you can talk to? Yeah, we were currently enhancing it.

Actually, Doug Hyjack is enhancing it for 20 months. years. Really? Wow. You know, and technology is finally starting to catch up, you know, a little bit. It's, you have to remember, like, that footage was shot on 8mm digital magnetic tape, which is pretty much the worst thing that's ever been made. I mean, it was convenient at the time, pop in the camera, you know what I mean? But it's terrible. It's interlaced. It's, I mean, you know, there's just all these things about it. It's like 400 pixels or whatever. You try to, like, zoom in on it and it just blows the pixels up. It was not a good format, you know, that I would have much preferred to have been shot on like 16 millimeter film.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Then we could have actually done something with it. The format that it was shot on had made it very, very difficult to get really, really good enhancements on it. And so, you know, Mr. High Tech has been enhancing this thing for about 20 years. They've been working on this. And there's parts of the footage that, are rumored to be there, but nobody's ever really known for sure. Hint, hint, hint, and like, we're just now getting to the point where I feel comfortable actually showing them. And so, you know, that's going to be something that's in the book, is this other part of the footage,

and the people that know these rumors, they're going to know what I'm talking about immediately. And if you don't, you'll be surprised. That's awesome. Yeah, there's a little something else that's in there that most people don't. know about and I think we are finally for the point where we can prove it. A lot of... And yes, I'm talking about a baby if you don't know the rumor. Okay. Okay. That's amazing. I'm super pumped to see that.

There is something that always comes up when people talk about your... One of the things that come out comes up when people talk about your dad. And I want to ask this question. And I'm going to, so stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. Everyone likes to say the, oh, there he goes line. People like love that. Is that just like, you know, thinking back to your father.

Is that just the way that he talks, like his normal intonation or? Sorry, my son. Oh, you're good. You're good. He's having a late. He's having a late night, so if he's loud, I apologize. Yeah, I mean, it's the way my dad talks. Okay.

You knew my dad and you were familiar with him. There's nothing in that video that's like out of the ordinary, you know, the, oh, there he goes. Which is, you know, kind of funny in hindsight because we are, I mean, I say we, I mean, me and a couple other people, Doug Higach and Jeff Meldrum and Cliff Berwick men and a few others are pretty much in congruent at this point that it's a female. that for the footage for a few different reasons. So, oh, there he goes. I always think it's kind of funny because, you know, at least, you know, biologically speaking, he's misidentified at sex. But, yeah, I hear that if I had a dollar every time somebody said that to me, I wouldn't have to write a book.

Right. But it is nice that you are writing a book for sure. No, I would still do it anyway. I mean, no one's getting rich off of a book about Bigwood. Let me tell you what. But, I mean, it's my dad's book. He made these audio recordings that we're going to use. And I had about seven hours of audio.

But of course, we have time limitations and material limitations. So I didn't use about an hour of it. But he made the recordings in private because he was going to write a book. And that was the intention. And, you know, he passed away before he was able to do so. But I'm going to do it for him. And, you know, basically what I'm putting out is his book. I just have a very small part of it.

That's so awesome, Michael, that you're able to, you know, continue your father's legacy and, you know, wrap things up the way that that it should be now that we have the technology to do so. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, we're trying to. And unfortunately, when it does come to my dad, we have a lot of misunderstanding and there's some mystery and there's some rumors out there. you know, due to a few things. Yeah. That aren't correct. And so kind of what, you know, I'm trying to do and a few other people are trying to do is clear up those misunderstandings.

Uh-huh. And kind of get people to look at the evidence and not listen to hearsay or like rumors, you know. But let's take a look at the evidence. Let's judge it scientifically. And then let's make a decision on whether or not we think this is real. And, you know, I have a habit. I have this thing that I say in... I like things My Way, my coffee, my schedule, and my treatment.

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Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a recess. I say it every time I get to speak somewhere, and I'm trying to drive a point home, but I like to say that like in this business we're in, which is the business of Bigfoot in the new business. Like, we're in the business of evidence. We're not in the business of listening to rumors and hearsay. Show me the evidence.

Show me its scientific value. And let's move forward from there. And when you look at the Blue Mountain evidence, not just my dad's, because there was a lot of other people. You had Bill Lowry and Dave Bean. And, you know, they were, you know, Bill Lowry was a scientist and Dave Bean was a professional tracker. And West Summerlin was a professional tracker.

And you had Grover Kran. in that group, you know, he's the smartest guy in that room. But the evidence that was produced out of the Blue Mountains, not just my dad, but the whole Blue Mountain is a whole, it's some of the best footprint evidence that's ever been found. And it has anatomical features that are congruent. Evidence that's been found all across, you know, North America, Canada, Alaska, for a number of years.

And there's all these similarities and things that they were finding. They're seeing that they're still finding and seen now. that we saw in the Blue Mountains in the early 80s. And I wish more people would just like, you know, take a look at the actual evidence, you know, because, I mean, all in all, you know, when you get down to it, you know, like regardless of what you think Bigfoot is or where you think it comes from or what its origin is, you know, because there's a lot of disagreement on that.

I think that in the hunt or the research to prove its existence, I think everybody should be working together. and there shouldn't be infighting and there shouldn't be jealousy and there shouldn't be all these things going on and I'm going to give you a quote from an unlikely source but there's a man named Eric Beck George. He's no longer with us

and I'm sure you know who that is. But he gave a quote to Vance Orchard in 1995 when Vance Orchard wrote an article for the Wraithsburg Times and that quote is when you devote your entire life in search of something and you don't have much luck

the easiest way to keep your name in the headlines is to become a skeptic of your own peers. And I just want everyone to remember that. And that in this search for big, but I think it should be like a group effort that moves forward. And that there's just, there's too much bickering and fighting and disagreement

and all the stuff and jealousy going on all the time. So regardless of whether it's my dad or it's Patterson or it's Renee DeHendon or whoever, let's look at the evidence. And let's judge it that way. And let's shut off all the things that people had this. I love that. And that's what we try to, or I'd say myself, we try to do here with Bigfoot Society's,

try to get the community to kind of work together, you know. But yeah, if you go over to. Everybody should be working together. Yeah, exactly. And I brought up like, you know, Mike Casey, he's a guy that told me to call it, right? you know, and he kind of befriended me, he reached out to me a little bit, and we started communicating. And I have all this information and knowledge and locations and stuff for the Blue Mountains of finding evidence. And I'm sharing it with him.

And I'm sending him out there. Like, let's go find it. You know what I mean? I want someone to find it. Because if someone proves this, we're all going to win. You know, I think everyone's going to win since the 50s. That's it. We're all going to be right.

And so I'm not fitting. on locations or evidence. I'm not hiding that kind of stuff. I'm not keeping it secret. My father's map, which is very important, which has a lot of highly detailed information on it. And it's in the North American Bigfoot Center.

It's on display there. But I'm putting, like, detailed close-up pictures of it in the book with Captain explaining what all the symbols and everything mean on it so people can read it. Because I want people to find evidence. Like, you know, let's go prove this thing exists. Like, because they're real.

You know, we just, we just got to get the proof. So using the map that's in that book, could people pretty much go to the actual, like the film site of the Freeman footage? Or what do you think? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, you can look at that.

You can, you know, his map has like every, not just his sightings, but all the sightings in the area, you know, for about a 10-year period. to ask all the tracks that were found, possible beds or necks, things like that, places where he thought they might be going to spend the winter, just lots of information like that. And if you do look at that map,

it's pretty much, the map itself is pretty much what led him to get the footage of D D D D D D Duk. Because if you look at the map and you find D Dug Spring, and you start reading on there, all the sightings and the evidence and everything that's taking place there like that,

there's something about D D D Dug Spring, right? And that place just like, emanates like bigfoot sightings and big foot evidence and it just goes from there and it radiates out in these areas. But yeah, you can look at there and we know like certain things based on the map. Like, you know, there's certain areas I can say like, oh, you know, at the end of April, beginning of May, when the Morel mushrooms start to pop up through the ground, you'll start finding tracks on Black Snake Ridge. I know that because this math tells us over a 10-year period, go there. Not when they're fully up, but when they first start coming through the ground, go there.

You know, and so this is anyone who's listening in the area, you know, hint, but yeah, and so this is the kind of stuff I'm sharing, and I'm sharing it, you know, with the book and with a few other people, like I said, Mike, you know. Right. And, you know, I live a couple hours, you know, north of Walla Walla in that area at this point. got all these children at home. Good for you, though. Kids are great, man.

But, you know, I guess my part is, you know, like I was saying, you know, kind of that stuff and getting the information out and looking at all this evidence and drawing conclusions. I guess that's kind of my part in the Bigfoot world and research right now. That's awesome. Oh, I love that. I love that, Michael. Man, I'm excited to pick up a copy of this book for sure. but dude thanks for for hopping on and man this is this is great this is great more people need to to hear about this book coming out but thanks so much for calling up awesome yeah well thanks for

taking the call and thanks for Mike Casey for sending me a text message and saying hey these guys are really cool call this number right now awesome that was cool and I'm glad I got to talk to you guys for a minute so feel free to reach out at any time if you have you have any questions or you need anything. Well, do. Thanks, Michael. All right. You guys, have a good night.

See you. Hey, well, that was pretty awesome. That was, of course, Michael Freeman, the son of, you know, Paul Freeman, who captured the, what we know as the Freeman footage. Very good. Good chat.

So Mike Casey, thanks so much for for passing on the phone number 515-809-0165. If we got 10 people watching, this is great. If anyone's got any, you know, a story to share or anything like that, feel free to give the number a call. I'm going to be on this for about 15 more minutes because I said I was going to do 11 through 12 Central. So, yeah, definitely going to need to check out the, Freeman Bigfoot files.

You can get this over at Hanger One Publishing.com and dude, this looks I mean, I'm just going to read, oh, we got a call. Hello, caller, you're... Joe Lee. All right.

To accept. Hi, caller. You're on the air. Is this Joe? Yes. How you doing? Doing great. And where are you calling from today, Joe? I'm actually calling from New Jersey. Oh, perfect, perfect. So what's going on, Joe?

What would you like to share? Let's see. So about eight years ago, me, my ex, and my then one-year-old son, we were going to spend a night. Like I live probably about 15 minutes west of New York City. Okay. So we were going to go spend the weekend in the Poconos in Pennsylvania right past the Delaware water gap. And we were, it's about maybe like 45 minutes drive.

So we're driving on Route 80, which is like an interstate highway. Sure. And while I'm driving, I just needed to go to a back room. So we I see this maybe like just before the Delaware River. I see a sign that says scenic overview or overlook. So I was like, all right, let me just go up there, go for a bathroom break. So we pull up and then it goes up about maybe like half a mile up the mountain. And once we pull up there, there's like,

parking lot and then there's like a kind of like a cut field that you can see over like into the Delaware water gap so the scene was like really nice so my son his mother we got out of the car just to kind of taken the scene and just kind of you know play for a few minutes yeah so while we were playing and then we got back into a car and then I started the car and I realized I had to get a bathroom

so I run down into like where like the edge of the woods is and then and I'm like I'm not a camping person I actually grew up by New York City so like I'm not really like I'm kind of afraid of the woods

but So I kind of like go in maybe like three or four feet into the the woods where you know somebody pulls up because there's no bathroom so if somebody pulls up they wouldn't see me kind of peeing. So I'm standing there and I'm like facing the woods. So the Delaware water gap is to my left at this point and the rest of the mountain would be to my right. And it's kind of like a long pee.

So I'm peeing and I'm looking I'm looking into the woods And a tree kind of caught my eye Because I actually do some gardening Okay So I see a tree that's like really wide on the bottom Okay And it goes out into like the two branches

Go into like an almost like a perfect V So I'm like oh wow I'm like that's an interesting tree like I'm just thinking of myself and then I look where the two branches meet and it's like a, you know, like shaded and I see like how do you like a triangle. And I'm thinking of myself like I do gardening. So like usually when things grow, they grow into like these, right? Sure. Yeah. So I'm like, why is there a triangle there? And it wasn't like a triangle like like a pyramid. but it was more like slope like wider.

Like if it was like a wider base triangle. So I keep staring at it and I'm like, why is there a triangle in the middle of a tree? And the tree's probably like 50, 60 feet from me. But it's like dead straight because when I was peeing, I looked dead straight into the woods and that's what was there. So I'm looking and I'm like, why is there a V? I keep on thinking of myself.

Like I've never seen a Z. I mean, a triangle come out of a tree like that. And then literally like a rustling of the wind from my right, from my right to my left. And like a little streak of sun comes by. And on the left branch, it looks like red hair. Really? So then I'm like, I get like, I don't get spooked, but I'm like, that's kind of weird. You know, like, I was actually like, and I'm thinking of myself, like, there's like, there's only black bears in New Jersey.

Sure. So I'm, so I'm like, you know what? Maybe I should just kind of start walking forward to look at the tree. And then I look up at the parking lot and I realized that I left my car open. Oh, no. And I have an infant child. Oh, no. My, you know, his mother.

Yeah. Oh. So it would literally be like, like, if. if it's something behind the tree, if it sprinted up the hill to the left and I sprinted up the hill to the right to the car, it would be almost like the same distance. Oh, yeah, dude.

And I'm like, I'm like, you know what? I'm like, I'm just like, I'm just going to back off. I'm just going to go into the car. Yeah. So then I get it to the car. I just tell his mother, my son's mother, I go, I don't know. I sound weird, but I go,

I think I've seen like a big foot maybe. And she kind of is like, whatever. So we go to Poconos and then, and this is probably like October-ish because it's like a fall time. Sure. So then. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages.

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They say everything happens for a reason, but I suspect everything happens for a Reese's. Like this commercial break, did you need 15 seconds away from music, or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's. And I go to the same spot,

but I can't actually even find that tree. Really? It's not there. Yeah, I couldn't find the tree with a triangle. I couldn't even find a tree which had like a big, and had like two even like branches. So then I'm like, I don't know, I get a little bit. I couldn't see it. Maybe I'm in the wrong spot, but like I exactly know where it is

because it's exactly the location like cold scenic overlook, like right by the down of the river. Okay. So then I actually go back to the next weekend and I can't find it. So ever since then, I've just been like, so like the only thing that I could actually just kind of like rationalize to myself is that when me and like my son and his mother, my ex, like, you know, we're playing like a little music. She was smoking a cigarette. My son's kind of like very boisterous. And I almost kind of feel like it was kind of like squatting down and holding on to that branch. And I think in the shadow that might have made it look like it was a perfect Z of a tree, like almost like if a big tree got, like if it was a tree that got struck by lightning, let's say, and then the two branches grew out like perfectly like that.

Wow. This is a crazy story. Yeah. So the only thing I can rationalize, literally the only thing I can rationalize is that it must have been holding onto that branch squatting down and maybe observing. Sure. Like, oh, yeah. But the thing is, like, that's a very, I guess it's got to be a decently popular. Like, there's not a lot of cars at all.

But, you know, I almost kind of like rationalize it. Like, it's like a movie theater for them. Well, that's the thing. I mean, they like to, you know, watch humans. They like to watch humans do weird stuff. And if they know there's a spot where these weird metal things are going to pull in and humans are going to come out of them. Yeah, that's like the movie theaters for Bigfoot.

You're right. And the thing is, I almost feel like, like, when I ran out of the car, I had to go to a bathroom. Yeah. Pretty bad. So I just kind of like sprinted down. So like, I don't know if I just kind of happened to catch it still there. But like, I cannot rationalize because like when that sun came from my right to my left and the left side branch had like it was like not like red but it was like

or like almost like you know like when you see like redheads like people you see some like orange hair people but you see like almost a dark redded hair people sure yeah it was almost like that color and it almost seemed like it was kind of like long like like uh that's wild like I You know what I'm saying? Like it's like it was coming like the hair was coming up and down on the arm. Like or the branch. And the thing is I'm thinking of myself like one, there's nothing red.

Like there's black bears. That's the only thing I know about Jersey. Right. Right. And so like, but the weirdest thing really was like I had like almost a sense of calm like where I was like standing there. And I was looking at it. And when I looked up at the car.

all I envisioned was like if I keep going forward like I have a feeling that things are going up there like that kind of like I don't know if it was like they were telling me that or I was just like I want to get back to protecting yeah I get it yeah and the thing is like the weirdest thing is like damn I let that door open right right and so like I just remember backing off and like the whole time I'm thinking like I kept telling my son's mother I was like I'm gonna go back there next weekend like by myself you know what I mean and like now you have like yeah I even have like a Google photos of the location nice like of that you I mean so like but yeah that's like I don't know if it sounds a little crazy or not but no

definitely not basically like what I saw and the thing that's really that's really weird about the triangle was it wasn't like like I said it wasn't like a like a pyramid kind of sharp angle triangle it was more like obtuse you know I mean like yeah gotcha it would it'd be like a really broad triangle oh that's interesting yeah Joe thank you was like a yeah thank you for sharing your story this has been like super awesome have you ever shared the story just this story with anyone else like the BFRO or the Bigfoot mapping project no so oh wow after that happened after that happened i uh i'm a track coach okay so i worked at a summer camp in princeton oh sure and i had to live in the dorm so i was like researching like bigfoot and then i noticed that

like that county they made like a show i don't know um maybe finding bigfoot maybe yeah probably probably was finding Bigfoot, yep. Yeah, but they actually had done an episode, like, right in that area. So then, like, while I was researching, I see, like, Sussex County, that county had, like, a ton of, like, like, sightings in that area. But, so then, like, while I was researching, I found a channel called Sasquatch Chronicles. It's like a podcast. Yep. So then the guy west, I emailed them, like, once.

and then like you never got back to me and then over the like I even told my track team about this you know what I mean like but no I never talk to anybody about it you're the first one

that's why like when I saw you I saw the number I figured I'll try to give you a call I appreciate she's sharing calling in sharing live with everyone that's that's listening and that will be checking this out tomorrow and Joe it's been

a great chat with it. If you have any other weird stuff happened, definitely, you know, if this, if this, you know, if I'll do lives again, if you can always call in again, or you can send an email to Bigfoot Society at gmail.com if you have other weird stuff happen

or if you have any stories down the line. But thanks for so much for calling in, man. Yeah, no problem. Thank you. All right. Have a good one, dude. You too. Bye. Well, all, it's been a fun night. I'm going to stick to my promise, which is, it's about 12 o'clock. It's the midnight, midnight time, central standard time.

And for you, East Coasters, it's 1 a.m. It's time to get to bed. But it's been a fun first episode of Open Phone Lines, Bigfoot Society. We heard from Michael Freeman, the son of Paul Freeman, talked about his upcoming book. the Freeman Bigfoot files from Hanger One Publishing. I also got to talk to Joe about his Bigfoot sighting at a rest stop in New Jersey by the Poconos. Very cool. But Joe, I really appreciate you sharing this for the first time live on the show.

Very cool. Those listening and watching to this, if you like what you saw, make sure that. You subscribe to this channel. Like, of course, share it with your friends. And I'll be doing these. I think these are going to be a good time. But again, I'm just going to shout out a few people that were here. Mike Casey, of course, crazy night.

So cool. Thanks so much, Mike, for telling Michael, asking Michael to call in. That was awesome. Kevin Morrison, awesome night. Man, yeah, to have Michael Freeman come on. Very cool. I got Carrick from Crash Course Cryptozoology. Been awesome, Jeremiah.

Thank you so much for doing these wonderful show. Check out Crash Course Cryptozyology for amazing documentaries to do with Cryptids. You'll love it. And of course, Joe, thanks for listening. Hey, always here to listen. Thanks for sharing, man. And, of course, we got Mr. Michael Freeman. Thanks for letting me ramble on.

It was a pleasure and an honor chatting with you, sir. And I hope to be talking to you more in the future. But I'm going to go ahead and we're going to close it down. You can always watch the replay of this on the Bigfoot Society YouTube channel. Make sure you subscribe to that. And I have a podcast where I interview people. So check that out, Bigfoot Society at your preferred podcast player, iTunes, all that good stuff. Thank you, Kerik.

That's really nice. Benj and check out Bigfoot Society podcast. Other episodes before you look at Chris. Yeah, you could do both at the same time. Two monitors. But thanks all for hanging out. Keep an eye out. Tap the bell icon so that you get notified when I do these again in the future so you don't miss out.

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