Bigfoot Society - Pennsylvania Police Officer Comes Forward!

Episode Date: May 5, 2024

Today we have an episode from the Archives originally recorded 3/13/23.In this episode, we are excited to feature Matt Arner, a renowned Bigfoot researcher hailing from the Northwest corner of Pennsylvania and the head of Cryptic Wilderness.Join us as Matt takes us on a journey into his world of Bigfoot research, sharing how his mother's 1980s Bigfoot encounter inspired him to unravel the mystery surrounding the creature. With his extensive knowledge and expertise, Matt sheds light on various regional Bigfoot sightings in Pennsylvania, including the infamous Medix Run Mike, the eerie Suscon Screamer, and the mysterious Carbondale Bigfoot, among others.But that's not all! In this captivating episode, Matt also talks about his relationship with fellow Pennsylvania Bigfoot researcher Sean Forker, revealing how their collaboration has helped shape his Bigfooting career. So, whether you're a seasoned Bigfoot enthusiast or a curious newcomer, this episode of Bigfoot Society is a must-listen!Resources:https://twitter.com/crypticwildshttps://www.facebook.com/crypticwildernesshttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdRbXiXD__-47Io5ZHJwNng?app=desktopwww.crypticwilderness.comSean Forker’s Bigfoot Podcast “Sasquatch Experience” - https://www.sasquatchexperience.com/about-usShare your Bigfoot encounter with me here: [e-mail]🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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And if you've had an encounter and like to be on the show, please contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. And if you want even more Bigfoot Society, check out patreon.com forward slash Bigfoot Society where you can become a member and get extra episodes every single week. Now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. Thanks for coming back for another episode. I've got Mr. Matt Arner with me tonight. How's it going, Matt? It's going well tonight.

So I'm really looking forward to talking to you. Yeah. And likewise, I'm excited to talk to you. You're out there in this northwest Pennsylvania, right? Well, I'm actually, I live in the Poconos, which is northeast Pennsylvania, but my base of operations is northwest Pennsylvania. We have a cabin out there. We do a lot of research out there. It still hasn't been developed like the Pennsylvania Poconos are.

So we still have some very, very remote areas with a lot of historical activity and some ongoing activity as well. Research area, Northwest, you live out in the Poconos out there by Scranton and all that good stuff on the Northeast. Absolutely. Which is cool. So your Bigfoot researcher, is there anything else that you would want the audience to know about yourself that will help lay the foundation as well? To really kind of give a good viewpoint of where I'm coming from, I've worked 18, well, 19 years with the police department I'm with now, with another two years prior experience. I am a detective. I'm a certified crime scene technician, so I know about physical evidence.

I'm also very good with interviewing people and speaking with people. The truth detector really kind of goes on and off when I'm talking to witnesses. The other thing, too, that I really try to emphasize more is I am an outdoorsman. So I grew up in the outdoors. I spend quite a bit of time either out at my cabin or in my hammockton, out in some of these wild areas, and it's been a blast. So what I really try to do is show people how to be safe when they're going out to do Bigfoot research, especially in an area where there's no cell service.

The terrain is not very good. There's all the risks involved, such as rattlesnakes where I go. They're all over the place. So letting people know about that kind of stuff, along with my training as a police officer, detective, I'm really, I'm kind of more of a bugger about safety. and keeping the public safe more than anything else. But in the same vein, also getting outseeds areas to do this research.

That is fascinating. You don't get too many times able to talk to, especially, you know, people that are police officers, detectives, and also in a big foot. Usually you talk to those guys after they're retired. And then they're going to tell you all what's going to. going on. Is there anything weird like, you know, when you came out and your buddies started to find, okay, this guy's also the Bigfoot guy. Was there anything like that? Or, you know, the, the, the funny thing was, was that I really started telling the guys about 10 years ago. So I was still relatively not quite a rookie, but, you know, just between that rookie to experienced officer stage and

is still up to get a lot of ribbing. But I had that one person that we worked with. He was actually with another agency. And he pulled me aside and he says, hey, Matt, I really do believe in this stuff. And he never had an encounter, but he's kind of in the same boat where he heard so many, you know, witnesses, you know, talking about what they saw. And he said, this is compelling. You know, why are people putting their reputations out on the line stating that they saw something that should not exist or mainstream science does not believe exist? And just from hearing that, that was kind of a boost of confidence with me.

Now, we still kept it quiet. I still don't really advertise about it. But, you know, some of the guys in the department, yeah, there's the one guy who, keeps making fun of me saying, oh, it's, you know, Bigfoot's driving a car, Bigfoot's running away. But then I do have a few other guys that, you know, come to me and say, hey, you know what? You know, it's a good thing that you do on the weekends. One thing that I'll say, I didn't really want to get too much into the police work,

but the one thing is, is we just had an officer wellness train. And one of the things that they emphasize is having a hobby outside of your work. So this does, and we'll go into it a little more about some of the things that I do that are kind of, you know, like what I do at work. But at the same vein, I'm not thinking about work. So having this as a hobby actually helps in the long term, whether you're out there doing Bigfoot research. If you're out there just doing wildlife research, just being out there and disconnected, you know, disconnected. you know, is just a godsend for our mental health. As in law enforcement, military, other first responders, firefighters, EMTs.

I've talked to several people in that first responder community, in the military community. And again, you know, being out there in the woods, there's no other cure for, you know, just kind of, you know, letting that stress go. I agree 100%. Everyone needs something to do outside of their 9 to 5 or you're going to go nuts. So I'm glad that I found that. You found that. And it's got to be cool. You know, hopefully one day you'll be at the office and you'll get that weird call in from someone.

Hey, I saw something. Yeah. I got this one, boys. Yeah. It might happen. Not in our ears more urban. However, I did get a call one time for a possible mountain lion that was in our town. So I followed up with the interview.

I think it was a misidentification. We do have fairly large bobcats that are in the area, but it was still kind of neat to do that. That's awesome. Matt, whenever I have someone on, I'm always curious to know. how you started to get into the whole Bigfoot thing to begin with. So was it a thing where you were a little kid getting into Bigfoot or what brought you into it? Well, the one thing is, is I've always had an interest in it. And my parents really didn't know.

They, you know, I was the last of the siblings. So I kind of, you know, went off and did my own thing. but they knew I was into the outdoors and, you know, watching scary movies and stuff like that, but they didn't really know specifically about Bigfoot. I grew up in a Navy family, so, you know, we were always connected with the bases and such. And I remember the one night, we went out to the Navy base, and they had a movie, you know, a family movie night. One of the movies was The Legend of Augie Creek. and the other movie, which I didn't know the name of it.

I still kind of don't know the name of it, but you'll know which one it is. The Ivan Marks movie that he made about Cripplefoot, which was kind of, you know. But anyways, it was a very interesting film, and those films kind of got me into it. When I was 10 years old, I actually were given a class project of what, you know, I think I was in like, I don't know, third or fourth grade, what you wanted to do when you, when you grew up. And so I wrote this life story that I was going to be a park ranger, which isn't that far from what I'm doing right now, and that I would be looking for Bigfoot. And I actually had a picture of a Bigfoot.

So I still have a copy of that. It's on my, it's on my personal Facebook page. I always put that up every so often. But I wrote this when I was, you know, 10 years old in 1982. So anyways, you know, I did have that strong connection. Now, where we lived, we lived in like a southeastern part of Pennsylvania. It's not what I thought was not a squatchy area. However, my mom was working a, like a, not really an evening shift,

but she was going out from 5 to 5 p.m. to 10 p.m. to work at her at her job. and on the way, and this was in the 1980s, I remember her coming back home almost immediately. This happened in the wintertime, and she told all of this, but she went to my dad and said,

I saw a monster crossing the road out by the industrial park. So the way my mom described, and I'll just give you a little thing about my mom. My mom was, she grew up in the coal mine area here in Pennsylvania, it's almost like, how you would envision like West Virginia in the hard coal areas.

They were always, you know, just kind of, I wouldn't say backwards, but you didn't get the exposure to some of the things that you would have in the cities. But she described the monster, as she saw it, as almost like a hippie, like some hippie, long-haired monster thing that that, crossed the road in about two steps. At first, I was like, yeah, you know, come on, dad, let's go out there. And he said, no, no, no, you got to stay here. I'm going to drive out with your mom.

They went out. They didn't find anything. But my mom is not one to lie about anything like this. So the more I started when I got older, you know, we always knew about the monster story. You would always tell her about it, you know, say, hey, tell me what you remember about the monster. Well, it looked like a hippie, you know, it looked like, it looked like one of those rock people, you know, with the long, shrigley hair and everything. But the more I started looking into this is we were close to New Jersey. We were close to the Pine Barrens. And there have been

historical sightings from the Pine Barrens. And from what I found out is that they would lead over to Pennsylvania. So that was really kind of the I guess, you know, I did have that momentum going, and this was just kind of the push to really kind of get me into this. Now, again, this is in the 1980s. I'm still a young kid. I thought about, you know, Bigfoot, you know, when I was growing up, when I was in high school, college. It wasn't until like the 1990s that the Internet started, you know, really getting popular. And I would go on the old BFRO site. I'd go on Eric. Altman's had a wonderful setup with the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society at the time. And they always had the link.

If you want to become an investigator, you know, send us an email. I always did. I never heard anything. But I did find that. There was a lot of interesting sightings that happened not only where I had previously lived, but where I had moved up to in the Poconos. So as I'm going through, I'm finding that, you know, they were seeing this, you know, up in the, you know, Monroe County, in Luzerne County, in Scrucle County. And I'm like, oh, my God, I live in these areas. You know, I know these areas pretty well. So around,

and again, I still kind of kept interest and I'd watch the, you know, like, you know, any of the unexplained mysteries, you know, those type of shows. But it wasn't until I had a friend of mine that started a paranormal group. They wanted to know if I wanted to go ghost hunting. Do you feel as a Bigfoot researcher, what's the difference between researching Bigfoot in that area of time when there was hardly any internet as opposed to today where there's almost a overload of information? Yes. You don't know where to look because these reports could be anywhere. Yes.

Like, how is that? What's the difference there? That must be so interesting to live in both of those worlds. It was. And again, I really kind of got more into it towards the late 90s. Now, I love this person to death. He is the godfather of Pennsylvania research, Stan Gordon. But like if you go on like Stan Gordon's website, like, you know, like on some of the older websites, it's just like it was back in the 1990s, you know.

And I love the guy. He is, like I said, he is the godfather of Pennsylvania, crypto and UFO research. He is, he is the man. But yeah, you know, like I said, seeing, you know, some of the sites they were those old, you know, where you just had the, you know, the replacements. on it, almost like an old message board. You would just click on the reply or click on the link. It would take you to, you know, basically like a text blurb of what the siting was. But, you know, back then, we didn't know too much about, you know, what to do.

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and again, we had no idea. We weren't out there doing wood, doing wood knocks, we heard them, you know, but we didn't really know that in other parts of the country that they were, you know, they were attributing, you know, these wood knocks to, you know, a possible, you know, wood eight, bigfoot. Again, what we were looking for was mostly just tracks, which in Pennsylvania is very hard to find because of the way the soil is, just following up with sightings, sighting reports. And on the occasional, there was one time back in the early 2000s where we believe we found a nest, but we really didn't have a whole lot of information at that time to really conclude what this was.

In the early 2000s then, I got involved with the ghost hunting group. What they said was, hey, we're getting these reports of weird things happening in the woods. And they knew that I was primarily, you know, I love to be outdoors. I said, hey, can you look into this? Absolutely. So there were quite a few times that we took the paranormal group out and they would be out there with the EMF detectors and the, you know, but yet on the other hand, one thing that I learned from them was using the use of the voice recorders. And what they would do is they would have the voice recorders up, you know, with the parabolic mic listening for anything. And this is something that they brought from the paranormal side to the crypto, cryptosological side. So that in itself was kind of like a breakthrough for me. I started reading more and more about different things that could be done. There were some things that I learned from work.

And again, it just kind of went from there. Did you find there was a time when you get back home, you're going over your recorded audio, and you picked up stuff that you hadn't heard at the time you were recording it? Yes. At the time, I mean, there's some audio files that I wish I still had because they were on other computers and such. But there were times that we would sit there and I would tell them right off the bat, hey, this is a pack of a coyotes. Or, hey, this is a fox. Those are generally what the animals are that make sounds like that in the Pennsylvania woods, but then there was a few times that, again, we would think that it may have been a fox, but then you get, you just listen to the tone and the volume and the, you know, how that call is being

expressed. And there's no way that a, you know, a 16, 17 pound fox is going to make that loud and that deep of a scream. There was also other calls that we got, especially with the coyote calls, where we would sit there and I'd say, okay, this is a high, high-pitched chip. This is definitely from a coyote. But then you would get that one call that sometimes it's right before the coyote call. Sometimes it's after the coyote call where after a couple of years, what did we recognize it as an Ohio call? you know, where you would get that drawn out, call being blasted through. There was, you know, absolutely no way a coyote could have made that call.

Not to say that they wouldn't, but again, once I heard the original Ohio call from that the Matt Moneymaker actually recorded, I was like, oh my God, this is exactly what we've been hearing. And this was in areas where we did have historical sightings here in Pennsylvania. I would have loved to have been there when you made that realization when you were like heard money makers call from 94. And you're like, I've heard that call. Yeah, exactly. Oh, man, that's great. It was just hearing that.

Like, you know, you still get kind of the shivers coming down your back. You know, I've heard other people talk about, you know, Bigfoot. in relation to coyote. Do you think there's some sort of like symbiotic back and forth going on there? It's hard to say. And the one thing is, is if we listen to Howells that we record, I have some long-term digital recorders that are up on a few of the mountains I research. And I'll listen to some of these calls.

and again, we're listening to the pitch. Primarily, we're listening to the volume. We're listening to the output of that sound. But when it comes down to it, a lot of people, even some experienced researchers, aren't that sure if it's a coyote, if, say, it's a pack of coyotes, or if it may be a Bigfoot. Now, the reason I bring that up is if you do, get a bunch of coyotes that are making a call that sounds similar to an Ohio

how or any other vocalization, you may have another animal, you know, such as a Bigfoot, making a return call, especially when these calls are made at three o'clock in the morning. So I think that's where a lot of that connection between coyotes and Bigfoot may come into play. Now, again, I know there's other people that are more well-versed that would be able to, you know, give their explanation that, you know, maybe they do travel together. But my thing is, is that I think that that, whether it's Bigfoot, would a, whatever you want to call it, is returning the call, you know, from those coyotes, thinking that it may be another creature. And again, if it's confused, you know, some more experienced researchers where you really have to get down and, you know, send it out to the Olympus project, you know, because you don't know, you know, I would say that, you know, it's also the same with them.

They may not understand that, you know, what's being called. They may be aware of the coyotes, but, you know, if you do get a coyote making a specific call, they may think that it's one of, you know, another. one of their creatures calling to them. It's almost like we need to partner with some wildlife biologists that are into the coyote culture and bounce some stuff off. We need to find the guy or the gal who's into wildlife biology coyote research slash also a big footer. That would be fantastic. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Absolutely. I know if let me know. I know a few hunters, a few coyotes, a few coyotes. hunters that know the coyotes very well. And if I can get one of them to come over on our side, that would be a win-win for us. Mentor with Bigfooting is Sean Forker. Sean is a great friend of mine. I'm so glad that I met him.

And he has been my mentor through, you know, from the time that I met him. And, you know, I know with him, we've talked about some cases. where maybe it's not exactly a habituation case, but the creature gets used to or accustomed to coming onto a property. And there was one or two cases that he investigated not that far from my research area where they did have something very similar to it. But the people weren't leaving anything there. What the people were doing was they were leaving their trash out. And, you know, they would put it in a dumpster that was that was bearproof, but something was still going in and getting this. And they did end up seeing something at the dumpster, which prompted them to contact the PBS and Sean.

Again, you may get into those situations where, you know, a creature does become a little more accustomed to people than it should. Yeah, it's definitely thing from what I've heard, you know, you want to be, you want to be careful if you're putting out food or leaving out garbage. Because sometimes when you stop doing that, you can cause a situation where you've got a pretty angry creature. Absolutely. Even if it's not a big foot, even if it's a bear, you're in a world of trouble anyways. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And where I live, it's funny.

We actually, we have so many bears around town. It's the bears even have their own Facebook page. So we've had the bears come in, come in my yard. even when we're still there. We know how to work with the bears. We know how to live with the bears. But now you're talking about something that has, you know, definitely a more intelligence than a bear,

probably better senses because bears are basically blind. You know, they don't see that well. They rely on their sense of smell to basically lead them on their way. But now you're looking at something that, even if we don't know the intelligence, We know that they have sharp eyesight. You know, as for the sense detection, I'm not sure, but they're still, you know, aware. You know, you're talking about creatures that are if they do sense something like, you know,

somebody's putting garbage out, somebody's putting apples out, somebody's putting bird feed out, something that they could eat, they're going to come to it, you know. And it may not always, you know, I think the one thing, though, is that they have enough sense. that they know to stay away from towns. And there's something about cameras, get to trail camps. They do not like trail camps. In fact, a funny story, if you don't mind me telling you, there was a guy that had a Bigfoot siding on,

not that far from my house. And he was not someone that wanted Bigfoot on his property. and it really shook him to the core when he saw what he saw. I do believe what he saw was a Bigfoot. I don't believe it was a misidentification. We went out. He showed me basically the branch that was basically our size frame for this creature. The creature, we're not talking about a 10-foot-tall beast,

but we're talking somewhere between six and a half to seven feet tall. And when he saw this again, it freaked him out. He did not want to go back to that back area of the property. So I told him one thing. I said, you don't want Bigfoot around? Put up trail cameras everywhere. I said, put 40 trail cameras up. Nothing's going to come around.

And he said that, you know, since he put that out there, he's heard vocalizations, but he hasn't had anything come onto the property since he started doing that. So again, I don't know if it's anything from the info. red. I don't know if it's anything from just, hey, you know what, I know these woods really well and now there's a plastic box on the tree. I don't know what this does. I'm just going to stay away from it. I don't know, you know, but it did seem to work. Wow. And that's in northeast, Pennsylvania? This was in northeast. Yeah. This is this wasn't that far from where I live. Wow. And in fact, I drive that area and that's another area where historically has been a very

active area. In fact, we were just talking about it tonight on Facebook. Somebody posted in a group about this particular stretch of road. And I said, well, you know, and I'm not going to give away where this guy lives because he lived in a specific spot along this area. But there was a creature that for years was called the Suskin Screamer. And with the Suskin Streamer, you know, in, you know, basically in lore was, there was a big wooded area between Pitson and Thornhurst, which is in the middle of the Poconos. In that area, it's all wooded, it's all saking lands.

And they would, the lure goes was that it was a bride that was jilted on her wedding night and she, decided to kill herself and she screams. But then you start reading into it and you start looking and doing a little more research. They've heard these streams since the 1800s when they started logging the area out.

Along with that, I guess the first sighting of the Suskin Screamer was it walked on two legs and it had the head of a pig and was covered with hair. So what do you get with

that, you know, and eventually the one story that I linked onto the Facebook group actually towards the end started saying that there were multiple sightings of a bipedal hairy object walking through there. So this has been going on for a long time. It's an active area. As for there being a lot of Bigfoot around there, I don't think so. I think so. I think there's so many different corridors and so many different places that it's probably just traveling through and just happens to get cited. But it's definitely a corridor for something.

It's just a matter of finding out, you know, narrowing down when it happened, what time of year, what, you know, time of day these signings were, and, you know, trying to see if you can get that signing replicated, you know, through, you know, just, from observations, just going out there, hiking, walking, just passively observing. And if you knew that they happened in March or April, you know, that's when the bulk of the signings were throughout all these years.

That's probably when you're going to have, you know, a possible encounter or probably have a better luck at finding something there. Suskin Screamer, that's really cool. Has that been written about in any books that you know of? This is Daniel Fischel. And Ryder Strong from PodMeet's World. Cat parents unite. We have to look out for each other.

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of the way difficult. Talked or Pharmaceutical, patrocinoed for GSC. It has been in a few of the books if you Google Suskin Screamer Okay. There's a few articles.

There may be a few links to the books, but it is an interesting, you know, story. Again, they try to attribute it to, you know, more paranormal. But as you read more and more into it, it's starting to go, you know, starting to go into possible crypto area there. I like that, man. It's like, yeah, that totally sounds like a big foot. Yeah, definitely. Another thing I wanted to ask you.

Yeah, while we're in Northeast Pennsylvania, and if this is like a hoax or something, then, you know, just excuse my lack of knowledge of the area. But I always hear this story about Northeast Pennsylvania has a white big foot or a sighting of a white big foot. Is that a thing or is that just some hearsay I heard? It's not hearsay. Whether it's a hoax or not, I'm not sure. It was cited up in Carbondale, Pennsylvania, which is north of Scranton. And with Carbondale, I guess it was an apartment complex that was adjacent to the woods. They were, somebody had seen this thing.

There was police officers that went out. I don't know if it was the police officer themselves or one of the witnesses that came out and actually videotaped. you know, what they believe to be a white bigfoot. I'm a little up in the air on what it is, you know. Could it be a person in a mask? Absolutely. Did they make masks like that back then? Because I think it was late 90s or early 2000s.

It may have even been earlier than that. I'm not sure, but I don't know. I'm just, I'm kind of on the fence on that one. But there were sightings of a white big foot. And there's no reason why I, I think that Bigfoot can't have different colorations. You don't hear about them being all black. You know, you might get one that's brown.

You might get one that's tan. It's just like you would have with bears. Bears, people say the Pennsylvania, well, the American black bear. You know, I consider it the Pennsylvania black bear, but, you know, that they're all black. For the majority of them, 99% are going to be black, but they may have white on the crest or they may have a red or a brown edge of the, where the hair is, which gives them a different color. You may also have, again, we've seen the black bears with other colorization.

So you're talking about something where you have a specific genetic pull that's feeding into it. Now, again, if you have something like a big foyer, North American Whate, you're going to have a spread of possibly different color. there. So I think white is kind of a you know, a very, very uncommon color, but it hasn't been, there's been other signs of white Bigfoot throughout the country. So I think that if we look into the fact that that Bigfoot is

a creature that does exist, there's the possibility that they have different colorizations like that. So, you know, like I said, there are so many witnesses that brought about the white Bigfoot or the brown Bigfoot, the tan Bigfoot. So I don't think the colorizations are really that much into play. Yeah, I agree. There's definitely different variants of color. I talk to so many Bigfoot witnesses every day. I am convinced and I will I don't usually take a stand on on stuff but I'm going to take a stand on this because I've talked to so many people daily in the last three months as I'm trying to get more witnesses to talk on here.

It takes a lot of conversations to get to that point. It does. There are so many reports from across the nation all different areas where the person always. says the creature looked reddish brown and that's weird because it's not red it's not brown it's everyone is saying most people are saying reddish brown i'm like that's weird people keep saying that specific color it's it's it's the weirdest thing matt so it is something i've noticed as i've started to talk to witnesses a lot yes yes now the one my mom talked about saying that was black you know That was, she said that it had that black, greasy, stringy hair.

But other people I talked to have said that they've seen, you know, not so much black, but like a brown. And that was really something that kind of caught their eye was the color of the hair. Very interesting. Yeah, absolutely. You mentioned, you know, we have a mutual friend, Sean Forker. It's a great guy. Oh, my God, yes. I've been able to talk to him before.

It was a fun chat. And there's got to be a story, a fun story about how you guys initially met in, like, is there some like Matt and Sean's crazy Bigfoot Adventure story, that kind of thing? Yeah. Yeah. There is. There is. So this is, I must preface this where the intro story to Matt and Sean is actually going to be in. print in one way or another.

Not for me. So hit in. But anyway, so what happened was years ago, 2013 was when I first met Sean. So what happened was I went to the Pennsylvania at Bigfoot Society's fall, you know, get together. And it was in Coeurfield County at Parker Dam State Park,

which Parker Dam has, that's an area. of, again, higher significant activity. They had historical activity there. They were having current activity in that area. This was not, this was literally like 10 minutes away from where Sean had his encounter, the bad encounter. So Sean had made it out there with his friends. And I don't know anybody here.

You know, everyone's mostly, you know, from Western PA or Nogne. York and I had no idea who aged people where I talked to the one of the computers, but that was about it. I was just here just have a good time. So I'm walking around trying to talk to these people. And I see this, I see this little guy come up to me. And he says, hey, my name's Sean. What's your name? I said, my name's Matt. And that was the start of a wonderful, long friendship with him. And and him and his group were so accepting of me. You know, just, you know, coming in there, being the first time, you know, going to one of these major outings with the PBS.

And we just, you know, I mean, we just all clicked. Now, there was a bad story about this, which Sean will talk about. He may have already said something. It was called the death march. So myself and Dustin, one of, One of Sean's friends. This is Daniel Fischel. And Ryder Strong from PodMeet's World.

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the mapping experience, the orientering experience, we said, hey, we're going to take this walk. It's just going to be a short out and back. And this is going to be great. You know,

we'll take the group. Well, it didn't turn out that way. And a short three-mile hike turned into like a 10-mile hike. And yeah, it was like up and down rocks and, you know,

going through Beaver Swam. and creeks and everything. And I'm just sitting here like, oh, man, I hope, I hope these guys still talk to me after this is done. But anyways, I will say that I took, you know, we did about 50%, you know, me and dust in between, you know, our credit for, you know, misleading them slightly. But again, the map system wasn't that great. This is before GPS. You know, like, we had GPS, but not the phone GPS is like you do now. And so anyways, later that night, we decided to go out to the clearing, which is where Sean had his encounter.

One thing that I did was before I went out there, I put up a trail camera pointing at the parking lot. And the reason I did that wasn't so much to see if we have a big foot that comes through to parking lot, but it's basically to keep track of the people that were coming. back and forth into that area. This was the only way in to this area other than for going through really thick, heavily wooded forest. Towards, you know, we were sitting there. We had a bonfire going.

We were having a blast. And around 11 o'clock, we had Eric Altman and a few others that came in. And they're out there making calls and doing wood knocks and everything else. But everyone's just having a great time. So they leave. and we're just sitting around the camp, around the fire. Now, we weren't going to spend the night out there, you know, because of the experience that happened previously with Sean,

but we wanted to be out there a little bit. So I'm out there, you know, talking to Sean and the rest of the crew. And when you said, you know what, let's start heading back. So we decided that, you know, we were going to slowly put out the fire. So we're sitting there putting out the fire and then all of a sudden from just right outside the woodline. we get this solid whoop. And that there, it was funny because me and Dustin, well, Dustin, Dustin's a great guy. I love Dustin to death.

He is, he is like my mini persona, you know, like him and I, like, we're like, yeah, you know, we got something. Sean and his other friends here were like, we got to go. I'm like, all right, you know. So, but that was just such. an incredible experience. That whoop that we heard, it was clear, concise, it was loud. There was, you know, there's certain owls that can make, you know, calls are not really similar, but, you know, you hear a who, but this was a solid whoop, like you would hear from a Gibbons, except if it was a Gibbons that was, you know, 400 pounds, just because of that, you know,

that power that went through it. So that was our exciting first shared experience I had with Sean. And ever since then, we've been very close friends. Again, he is my mentor. You know, like I've learned so much from Sean. And, you know, he really is a great guy. I can't talk highly enough about him. So, you know, we always always have good times when we go out to do research.

Absolutely. He's got a, they've got a good podcast going too. Absolutely. Absolutely. Sasquatch experience, right? Yes. Yes. Everyone, go check that out. If you're listening to this one, go check to that, go check that one out. That's a, that's a fun beginning story for you guys. That was, that was a good one. And of course, you know, part, I hate to say this, but, you know, part of it was, you know, of course afterwards, we all went to a restaurant. I think it's called, uh, over the mountain. It's in Rockton, Pennsylvania. Great food, by the way, and they're still open. But we went there, they were doing Sasquatch talks there. They actually had a, like, a big cutout Sasquatch because they knew about the activity up there. And, you know, they don't really commercialize on it. Like, you know, but it was just really cool to be up there. So every time, me and Sean go out, we always make sure that we have a good restaurant to go to nearby. The two of us are always scouting out places. So I love that. that you should have a bigfoot restaurant book of Pennsylvania absolutely absolutely it's a lot

better than the mountain house so right right yeah yeah when you are going out Matt and you're looking for bigfoot what is it you're expecting to see what kind of creature do you or do you have anything in your mind that you're looking for that's that's tough to say because I've I've talked to some really hardcore researchers And I don't know, you know, because I've talked to a couple people that have been, they've had sightings that kind of were let down in a way from the siding. In the fact that they saw something, they didn't think it was a Bigfoot. And then five minutes later, 10 minutes later, or like, no, wait, who was just walking on top of that cliff where there's no trail? And the person's all in black and it's, you know, 95 degrees out, you know.

So, you know, like I'm, you know, something like that, you know, it kind of messes with your expectations. Because when you think about, you know, going out and seeing a big foot, you always think of, you know, you walk, you get that face to face, you know, you get to see the lines in the face. you get to see the structure of the body and everything. And, you know, like I said, from some very good researchers I've talked with, they're like, I saw something out there. I think it was a big foot, but, you know, it's, I didn't know it at the time, you know. And it's funny because, like, you know, one person I talked to had said, if I would have my camera up, I would have gotten a picture.

And at least it may have been a blob squatch, you know, when it came out on video. But at least you would be able to see some sort of. motion from the creature that they were looking at or what they were looking at. This is Daniel Fischel. And Ryder Strong from PodMeet's World. Cat parents unite. We have to look out for each other. Yes, we all know the feeling of being ignored by our little babies a little too well.

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and that the 99% of the people of more of 50 have the virus that causes the Culebrilla. Although not all the

people in risk the I'll develop that's the eruption don't knowousa with ampollas duros

times, making that even the things are all a lot not really not learn

about the Culebrilla to the way about your doctor or pharmaceutical And when you look at, you know, again, something that's bipedal, we don't all walk the same, you know, if you have something that walks differently. You know, it, it would be a lot easier to, you know, to bring forth to the Bigfoot community. If you have something that's, you know, a little different, you know, in walking pattern or in just the way that it acts, you know, even if, you know, again, even if it is a blob,

squatch, but, you know, but as for me, what I'm thinking I'm trying to, you know, what I'd like to see is I'd like to see something close up or I'd like to see enough that I could, I could see what the face looks like. I've heard so many differences about the face, you know, some people say it looks more human. Other people say it looks more like an ape. Other people bring up, you know, and I'm a big proponent of this as well. is I think a lot of dogman sightings may be misconstrued as possible Bigfoot sightings as well. The one I think of the most where it could go kind of either way is, and I just put it up on my Twitter page not that long ago was The Beast of Seven Shoots, where you look at it and it looks

almost like a baboon face. Although it's not a clear, clear picture, but you could see the figure there. you can kind of see some shadows around the face, but it may be more of a, just a super flat nose, a super flat, you know, facial area. But then I've talked to other people that said, no, they, you know, they have a nose like our, you know, maybe just, you know, a little flatter than ours. And, you know, they thought that, you know, they were just hairy people, you know, walking around. So I don't know.

You know, my mind is open, you know, and I can't say I'm looking for one particular thing. I would like to see that face out. That's the biggest thing I'd like to see. What do you think the closest you've gotten to one of these guys is? So I've had two experiences that were fairly close. So the one, and I'll plug your group page, Jeremiah, the name of the page, itself is the Bigfoot Society group

encounters page I believe well okay so I have yeah so I have Bigfoot Society listeners that's the public one and then I have Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters which is like this private Facebook group but people can see it

and I don't let anyone in there unless like I screen everyone so no one is in there unless they have had something they had something happen So everyone in there is in there for a reason. And it's a really cool community so far. It is an awesome, awesome community.

And the reason I brought that up is we had the, you had the question about how close someone has gone. And I said, I will tell you if you listen to the podcast. So I did. I did. So it was an interesting. This is probably the closest I've gotten. And I put it down in my encounters. My wife and I, we weren't bigfoot hunting.

We went up to Elk County at the time. We were renting cabins in the area until we found the place of our own. So we had been staying at a place that is they rent cabins. They're kind of scattered throughout the property. They're in a very unique area. So no one could drive back there. You have to load up all your. luggage on a cart and walk it back about a half a mile.

So where it is, it's it's fairly remote. And again, that area up there, it's, when I say remote, it's remote like you would find out in the, maybe not the West Coast, but it's one of the most remote parts in, at least the mid-Atlantic area outside of Maine. So we had this cabin. My wife and I, you know, we're spending two nights there. First night, nothing happened. Second night, we're in bed.

The bedroom was right up along a pathway. We were the very last cabin, and there was a pathway that led back to the creek, which led up to Medics Run, which is a big hollow in the Benazette area. So around 3 o'clock in the morning, we both woke up, and we heard crunch. Crunch, crunch, crunch, something walking on that gravel. And you could tell just from the pattern of the way it was walking, it was walking similar to a human.

Again, it's 3 o'clock in the morning. Who's going to be out there? There was no other cabins that were rented in our area. So we were alone back there. And we heard this crunch. And you can also tell the difference between that and an elk. When elk come through, because they have the four, you know, who's there.

There's, you get a different sound, a different rhythm, a different pattern. This sounded like somebody with, we were sitting here, we heard the crunches, and unfortunately the window, and it's going to be hard to explain to the listeners, but I'll do my best. The window, you couldn't look out the window. The window had metal, like, slats coming down that were at an angle. So you could see, like, if you went underneath and looked up, you could look, you know, and see up, but you really couldn't see straight out. There was a small light that was, you know, on the other side of the path.

And it wasn't a very powerful light just enough so that if anyone, you know, was outside, they would, you know, just have enough light just to, you know, just to, you know, get to the path. As we were sitting there, something blocked that light out. And it blocked the light out, but it was relatively quick, you know, when it blocked it out. I mean, the whole, the whole window went black. But if it was an elk, it would have, you know, we would have probably had a little more shade or it would have been half because of how high this was.

This was just like a flat, like something. something, you know, rectangular coming by that just, you know, standing up, you know, rectangular, not, you know, long ways, but vertically, that just went past the window. And then in all that time, then we were still hearing the crunches now. I didn't go outside at the time. I wish I did. And I'll go into, that's a whole other point in the conversation at some later point in time. But that there, we don't know what it was.

But at the time, again, we're close to. actually not that far from Parker Dam State Park, which is where Sean had the encounter first, where we heard the whoop. There was also an area called Medics Run, and the locals were calling their local Bigfoot Medics Run Mike. So it was just a local thing. They didn't really publicize it at all. They didn't really push it at all. But the locals knew whatever was coming down is Medics Run Mike, they called. them. They named them. So I think with that, honestly, you know, we're talking about something

where I was inside a building, but if I had that window open, I probably could have, I'm a big guy, too. I'm, you know, it was six-four-four. I could have reached my arm out and probably touched them, you know, as you walked past because the path really wasn't all that wide. But whatever it was, was walking on that, on that path. Could have been anything? I don't know. You know, like I said, said, we're just basically coming up with some circumstantial points here that it could have been something that we, you know, that we haven't discovered yet. The second time where we were very close, I was doing a more formal expedition with a few friends of mine. And one of them, and I'll give her, if you don't want, I'll give her a shout out, Gwendolyn Purcell. And she has been also another really good, good person to work with.

But this is the first time I met Gwendolyn. We were up in the Allegheny National Forest. And again, we were part of basically more of a formal investigation. There was probably about 20 of us that were out that night. We were out and a little road that was that we had a gas well adjacent to us. So the trucks would have to come up this hill. and hit the gas well. There was another road that went parallel to us.

And then down the road, that was where our base camp was. Well, everything kind of all happened at once, where all of a sudden we weren't hearing anything. We were just kind of sitting there hanging out, playing with the thermal. And all of a sudden, we get a radio call from the base camp, which was about a quarter of a mile down the road, that something came up outside of the wood line, made a growling noise,

and then they heard the footsteps going away. As soon as we had turned the radio off, we heard three wood knocks. Well, right after that, and they were clear, boom, boom, boom. Then after that, we heard the footfalls coming up basically right in front of us. The only problem, though, was that this was in October. So you still had heavy vegetation, especially along roadways. And we could not, we knew something was back there. We just couldn't tell what it was.

We got to the point kind of after the fact where I just looked at Gwen and I looked at the other guy that was with us. I said, I'm going back there. You know, let me see what's back there. And whatever was back there was long gone. So, but again, hearing those wood knocks, that was really something that, you know, really, I think with that, we're talking about distance where it may have been within 20 yards of us. With us being outside, I thought that was, that was as close as we could get. If it was a daytime encounter, we would have seen this thing,

you know, for sure. But being that it was nighttime, you know, again, we had the thermal, we knew something was there, but we just couldn't get a fix on it because of that heavy vegetation. It kind of, you know, brought down the experience just a hair, you know, but it was still an exciting experience to get through. I did have another experience a few weeks later in the ANF where it was a little farther away, maybe, you know, about 70 yards. And that in itself was a great encounter. It could have been anything. Again, there are so many things it could have been. But again, if you look at things in a circumstantial way, it may lead you to, okay, this is something that we don't know about.

So what happened was a few weeks later, after we did the formal expedition up there, we decided to do an informal expedition. So I ran at the same cabin. Now, this is outside of the Benazette. This is up in the ANF. Ran at the same cabin I was at before. It was mostly the same people. and the only thing that was out, the weather was kind of crappy that weekend. So I had been scouting around a new area between the town of Cain and the town and the city of Bradford.

Those areas up there are, again, very remote, very hard to get around. I found what we call a primitive camp spot. And these are scattered throughout the Allegheny National Forest. You can go there, camp there for a few nights and go. You don't have to pay anything. So I had just parked at this one. I didn't see anyone out there. And there was a small trail that went along a creek.

So as I'm going up along the trail, I end up finding a print. and wouldn't you know, this print was about 16 inches long, about five inches wide. And what it did was it went basically diagonal across the trail down towards the creek. So I'm like, oh my God, I got it. This is awesome. So the one thing I did that I'll say was good was I went and I put a little stick there. You know, basically like Emily LaFleur does those flags, similar to that except I don't have the flag.

I just had to stick with a leaf on it. So I kind of figured out where it was, marked it, and then I went back to my truck, and I said, all right, it's 4 o'clock in the afternoon. Can I get into town and get plaster? Well, the hardware store closed at 4 o'clock. So I ended up going the next day. And the next day, it was funny because one thing I always remember was I get up and there was a song that was playing on the radio that just kind of has nothing to do with Bigfoot.

But it was just kind of like just like a neat little song. And it was Tom T. Halls, I watched my face in the morning do, which is kind of like a, you know, like a folksy type song. I remember listening to that, driving to Kane at like 9 o'clock in the morning after I checked out. And the song was playing on my serious radio because that's the only radio you get up there. And I get in the cane. I get plaster. I get a bucket. I go back to the spot.

This is Daniel Fischel. And Ryder Strong from PodMeets World. Cat parents unite. We have to look out for each other. Yes. We all know the feeling of being ignored by our little babies a little too well. Yeah, I often wonder to myself, does my cat even love me? Well, there's only one solution to solve that.

Sheba. Feed your cat, Sheba, and go from feeling ignored to truly adored in 12 days guaranteed or your money back. Sheba has a wide array of products, appetizers, entrees, treats, and even a kitten's menu that will win over even the pickiest eater. My cat bill is all about Sheba grilled. Just snap, peel, and serve for two gourmet servings and zero messy leftovers. He loves it. licks it to the bowl. Its protein-rich formula is made with real chicken and seafood without artificial flavors, preservatives, cornweed, or soy. So you can be sure your cat is getting the finest ingredients

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It was a Sunday. There was no one, because you couldn't hunt that Sunday. So, I get a, up there and I, you know, go back up to where the print was. Unfortunately, it rained the night before. So the print degraded. And what I should have done, now thinking in hindsight, was I should have covered it.

Even if I had like a plastic box, something that I could cover it to make sure that that print didn't degrade as much as it did. But it was still enough there that I can, I said, you know what, I'm going to, I'm going to cast it. It's very hard to find prints in Pennsylvania in the first place. so I'm just casting it. So I go up, mixed it, cast it. I walked back down to my truck.

So I'm sitting there, and again, there's no cell service. So I'm just looking, I'm kind of a map nerd. So I'm looking at maps. I'm looking to see where I'm at and, you know, doing all that stuff. And all of a sudden I hear something. And I look in about 70 yards along the roadway, I see this tree shaking. And when I see this tree shaking, the way I described it was if like, you know, for people growing up in the 1990s, they would have those contests where you'd go into like a phone booth and all the dollar bills would be flying around. You'd have to catch them. I don't know if you remember anything like that, but, you know, like those like big money booth things. That's how violent this tree was being shook that the leaves were just coming down, like almost like it was. all the other trees were fine.

This was being shook, but I didn't see anything there. So the one thing, and again, there's things that you do in hindsight, and I'll go over this at the end here, I didn't do, which I should have done was I should have taken my phone out immediately. And I didn't. I was just so in shock, like, what the heck is going on? And so I'm sitting there, I'm like, okay, So I finally put the video camera on, but it stopped. I don't know where whatever was there, it went.

So I'm sitting there, and the one thing I learned as a police officer, which hopefully would serve its purpose to other people as well, is if you run into whether it's Bigfoot, if it's a wild animal, anything like that, what you want to do is you want to try to remain calm. and you also want to try to talk to it too. You know, I've had pit bulls like, you know, running at me. And I'll sit there and say, listen, I don't want to hurt you.

And that was one thing I said, you know, was, hey, I'm just here for research. I don't have any sort of weapons on me. I'm not going to hurt you. I'm just here for research, you know. You can come up. If you come up, I'll get your picture. I might take a hair off you. I don't know.

you know, but I'm sitting here trying to talk and stay calm. So that really didn't help all that much. But I did my best. And I did kind of, you know, I kept my heartbeat, you know, a little lower than it would have been. But I was like, all right, you know what? It's only been about 20 minutes, but I'm going up. I'm getting that cast. I'm getting out of here.

So I go up and it's up the trail a little bit, grab the cast, brought it back. I didn't even clean. I figured I'll clean it when I got. back to the house. So I get in the truck and I go over to the area where the tree was. And I documented this that where the tree was, there was about a seven foot ditch. And what it was was this was created probably back in the logging days or maybe with the conservation core days as basically a water runoff ditch that was down this mountain. there was this ditch that, and unfortunately it was all rock at the bottom of it,

but something could have been down in that ditch shaking the base of the tree without me knowing it. The one thing is that this was during the rut for deer. But if I had seen, if it was during the rut and you had a buck that was going up there to do this, you would see that buck. you know, whatever was doing this was shaking it very violently, but also keeping itself hidden. It may have thought that I did have a weapon. It may have thought that I may not have had, you know, the best intentions, but whatever it was did not make itself known. And so again, I'm kind of, it could have been a deer that maybe was down there and was just shaking it.

I don't know. it was just coincidental that we found the print in that same area. And it was a relatively fresh print. That print was when I saw it on Saturday, I collected it on Sunday. When I saw it on Saturday, that print had to have been at least, you know, or at the most, 48 hours. Because, again, there was no degradation. I actually saw a tow prints in it. So again, this was just something that really kind of, you know, made me.

think that this could be anything up there. And it was really a good encounter. It was a good learning encounter for me as well. The one thing that I want to bring up that I said I talked about at the end was the whole using your camera. Again, I'm trained as a police officer. So the one thing that I am trained for is, you know, the use of my firearm. I could go in, we have what, what are called, you know, well, we have the locking holster. So there are specific movements I have to make to release the gun from the holster. And we're trained that, okay, if we see something, I can get my gun out of that holster making two or three different maneuvers within, you know, like a fraction of a second,

you know, basically like half a second at the most. One thing Bigfoot researchers need to do is to, like I practice with the firearm, don't practice with the firearm. Please don't do that. But what you need to do, because I've learned from this and I learned the hard way, is learn to get that camera out, get that camera out, get that. camera on video, ASAP. Even if you just sit there like we did,

you know, like we would have blue guns that we'd have in our whole room, snap, snap, click up. Take your phone and if it's on your, in a pocket, if it's, you know, in your hand, get a practice to having it up and turning it on. I think, you know, even having a button there, you know, that you can automatically get. get that camera up in recording would be fantastic. We have to learn to do this because some of these encounters happen within a few seconds.

So if you're able to get your phone out, get that phone on record, you know, then at least you have something. And the one thing that I'm really kind of upset at is I wish that I would have, you know, grab that camera when that tree was shaped. And the other thing, too, is there may be something that your eyes won't see that may be on that camera. You can sit there and put the camera out, have it on. Your eyes are looking at maybe the top of the tree. You're looking at the leaves coming down. You go to look at that later on, and you're going to see, okay, was there an antler that was around the base of the tree? Was there a hand that was at the base of a tree?

was it something else? A wild squirrel may have decided to come in in cause some chaos. Probably not, you know, because it's not going to make the leaves all fall down like that. But again, your eyes may be fixated on one particular part of that. You have that video going and you may be able to see, you know, even something leaving, you know, through that ditch or, you know, going, you know, going, you know, laying down, you may not see that with your eyes, but you will catch that with that camera. Yeah, I think that's, that is great advice with having the camera ready or being able to get it ready. It reminds me like what the NAWAC you guys are doing now, where they have the cameras ready at a

second's notice where they can just fire off and get tons of different photos. I mean, that's, that's how we're going to get the evidence is being ready to take the video or, or the photos for sure. Exactly. So, you know, it's those type of encounters that really make you think. And again, it's something that you'll learn from. So, you know, for any of the researchers are out there, you know, get used to working with that, you know, getting that phone out, getting that picture. And it will, you know, maybe from that, you know, we may be able to get, you know, something better, you know, than what we've ever had. before. So, you know, even Matt Moneymaker talks about dash cams on cars. It's not such a bad idea. First, you know, from my perspective, it helps out, like, if you get hit, if you get into a 200 car accident or anything, you know, on, on that side.

But then on this side, you know, like I said, you have something that runs out in front of you. You don't know what it is. You know, hey, you know what? I can go to the next pull off. Slow it down. Okay, you know, hey, you know what, it was just a bear that was that was just running, you know, it just like, you know, all out, you know, across the, across the road. Or, okay, it's not a bear because I see long arms, you know, and so it's really, you know, having something like that, again, our eyes fixate on one thing.

and having a camera like that or taking photos like that, either photos or video, allow you to see those things that your eyes aren't immediately showing you. And I also mention you've had some really, really interesting things happen. I, man, you had some definitely close calls. Thank you for sharing those.

Yeah. How, yeah, I wanted to ask, you bring up, You've got some other things going on right now. I mean, you've got, like, can you talk about cryptic wilderness for a little bit? Sure, absolutely. What you do with that and all that good stuff?

Absolutely. I mean, I don't do a lot with it right now. But I am, I have them in place, and I have been putting stuff out there. I do have cryptic wilderness on Twitter and also on Facebook. Facebook and I just started a YouTube page. If you go to the YouTube page and look up cryptic wilderness, it actually, I actually have the, basically the aftermath of the Allegating National Forest Incident.

I talked about an incident I had up at the, up at my old hunting camp in Clinton County. And so it really is interesting. I try, I try to have, the original intent was to talk to. talked about all sorts of lore, whether it was paranormal, crypto, with the emphasis on crypto, even just some legends, local legends from the area, but it really kind of evolved into cryptosological, you know, specifically Bigfoot. And what I also do, too, is I also talk a lot about nature in itself, you know, being in the outdoors, what you need to do to prep to be in the outdoors.

So it's things like that that I do try to get out. And I'll be doing a few more videos in the near future. The one that I want to show was about using your iPhone or your cell phone as a GPS, using some of the different programs out there. I've used that. I've been in some pretty remote areas here in PA. Nothing like Out West, but there are still places where, again, there's no cell phone service.

You're miles and miles away from help. But having that, you know, on your phone could save your life. So it's little things like that that I try to, you know, kind of push on what I'm going through. I also talk a lot about nature too because, again, there may be signs of animal scat. Well, you know, bigfoots have to poop too, you know. And I know that's probably going to be the title of this. But the one thing is, is that, is that, you know, there's differences between bear poop, a coyote poop, regular domestic dog. There's differences in the tracks.

So being able to, you know, kind of eyeball something, don't touch it. But being able to eyeball it and kind of get an idea, we'll have. help the, you know, will help the researcher in determining whether this is something that, you know, may need to be collected or something just to pass on, you know, pass by. So that's where I really do try to get a push in. With the pages themselves, I'm not looking for any sort of notoriety. I'm not looking for any sort of, you know, get my name out there. It's basically, you know, education. You know, it's one person that I haven't met, but is definitely another mentor for me, would be like Dr. Russ Jones, you know, where, yeah, where he's a naturalist, you know, now he has

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are all a real a real not learn about the clobrilla of the way

to talk to your doctor or pharmaceutical patrocino for GSK as a doctor but

you know he does this you know he knows you know the natural world there in in West Virginia

like the back of his hand he he really tries to emphasize you know being out there

being out there safe and And so again, I do try to kind of, you know, more or less be in that type of vein where I'm not, again, not looking just to put a name out there, but to help people, help, you know, future researchers, help even current researchers that are out there. Absolutely. And I'll definitely have the links to that in the show notes. people want to go over and subscribe to the YouTube channel and watch the videos that have to do with what we talked about tonight and kind of flesh that out a little bit. That would be awesome. But Matt, this has been a super fun discussion tonight in a chat with you.

It's been really, really, I've learned a lot about Pennsylvania. Wonderful. More than I knew. I grew up in Western Mass, but I didn't know a lot about Pennsylvania. but thank you so much for coming on. Do you mind taking a few minutes? If there's anything else that you want to make sure people know that you've got coming up, please take a few minutes to share how people can keep up to date with you.

Okay, definitely. They can follow me on Twitter under Cryptic Wilds, which is Cryptic Wilderness. if you type in that, that will get you there. Cryptic Wilderness on Facebook, cryptic Wilderness on YouTube. The one thing I did want to talk about, which we didn't get to, I was kind of like teasing you,

giving you the teaser about it, is I wanted to talk about my Bigfoot movie I went to make. Oh my goodness, yeah, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, put that in here. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, my very, very good friend, Gwen, who is from Got Knockers,

great, great person. You know, definitely, you know, follow her and follow Got Knockers. It's a great group. It's Gwendolyn Purcell, right? Gwendolyn Purcell. Yeah. Yes. She is awesome.

So anyways, we were out doing a, just a small expedition. You know, her and one or two other people, I believe they were from, they were from that Kark program. And we were out of that. side of Elysburg, which is actually a pretty mountainous, but it's mountains and farms and throughout that area. So one of the guys that was with us, we heard a rock, they'd get thrown. I don't know if it was a rock. It could have been an acorn. I'm not sure. But he had said, hey, why don't we throw the rock back? I said, oh, heck no. Because if you got something

that could throw a rock whizzing past your face at like 100 miles an hour, and you're going to throw a rock. I don't want to get into a rock battle with somebody that could throw like that in the dark. So from that, that spawned my idea. So anyways, Seth Breedlove, if you're listening, Bobcat Goldweight, I have you in mind. So what I have is Bobcat Goldweight. is going to star in my movie. He's going to be a talent scout for the Major League Baseball.

And he needs to get that one more star or the team is going to drop him. So somehow he's driving around the mountains of Southern California and runs into a Bigfoot. And the Bigfoot runs away from him, starts throwing rocks at him. And he says, hey, you know what? I could get you to play baseball.

And somehow this Bigfoot comes back with Bobcat Coldweight. They sign on to the LA Dodgers and the Bigfoot ends up becoming the next starting pitcher of the World Series. The only thing, though, is that the only thing though I was thinking about was that in order for that to be successful, they'd have to dim the lights down a little bit. You know, they can't have all those big, bright stadium lights going on. Right. Yeah, that's, you know, they'd have to dim it down. for Bigfoot, but, you know, you got something that would throw like a 150 mile an hour fastball, you know, and I'm sure Bigfoot could probably learn how to throw curveballs and sliders and everything.

So I think that would be the perfect movie for Bobcat Goldweight, you know, and, you know, for a good Bigfoot movie. But going in and really quick before I, you know, just kind of in the same, I mentioned about Sethbury Love. One comment I made on Facebook that I think is going to stand is the STM team, you know, between him, Alex, Eli. These guys here are what Patterson and Gilman were back in the 60s. These guys here are going to find. Yeah. I believe in the next, you know, year or two, they've gotten so close already. they are going to get something on camera.

I don't doubt it. The way that they do things, I've watched them. They're excellent outdoors people. And Alex is very, very impressive with what he does. And I think the way that they put themselves out there and what they do is amazing. And I do think that, you know, it's going to come down to one of these, one of their documentaries. They're going to get something on film.

I really, really have faith in them. And then also you have the other people along with that. Tate, great guy. I was telling you before the show, I saw his series where he came to Iowa with you, and he was going across the country. It was really, really an outstanding. program. So I think we have a good crop of researchers that are out there doing the right thing. And it really gives me a lot of faith that I think that we're going to have, you know, we're going to have some some really good evidence in the next year or two. It is really cool. Like, and sometimes these guys will go out as a group. You'll have people like Alex will Alex Petikoff.

will be doing beyond the trail, but you'll also have, you know, like Tate Horanis will be doing his Sasquatch Search for Sabby series. Sometimes you'll have Jonathan easily there doing Western Bigfoot exploration. You'll have Ron Mann-Reed doing his thing too.

Yes. So because you have all these things going on at the same time, people capturing video. Yes. I agree. There's a huge likelihood that we are very close to finally getting something on camera. again, reputably.

Leave it at that. We're not going to get into that. You know what I mean. Yes. So, yeah, no, I totally agree with you, Matt. He has been a fun time chatting. I'll have to definitely keep in touch with you. Absolutely.

I think you'll be having some other cool things happen in the future as well. I hope so. I hope so. Again, I thank you so much for, for allowing me to be on your show. It has been a pleasure. I've been listening to your show pretty much from the onset. So it was always a great podcast to listen to.

In fact, I would go through the Suskin area listening to your podcast. Oh, that's cool. Because I'd have to go up. We have a place to go to up there to send out lab stuff. and so I'd always take the back way through the Suskin Road. And it was your Bigfoot Society was always like number one on my Apple list. So I appreciate that. Definitely, definitely had some wonderful shows on there.

Cool. Thank you. Well, thanks again for hanging out tonight, Matt. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Thank you, Jeremiah. And again, thanks to your listeners. They've been great.

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