Bigfoot Society - Quadrupedal Sasquatch Stalks Deer Near Owensboro, Forcing a Harrowing Escape!

Episode Date: November 30, 2025

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, witness John Reiners—a registered RN and the author of Crouching Behemoth: Quadrupedal Sasquatch—shares one of the most detailed quadrupedal Bigfoot encounters ever recorded.On November 17, 2020, while driving toward Rough River Lake near Owensboro and Breckenridge County, Kentucky, John witnessed a massive buck enter the roadway, panting and distressed. Seconds later, he observed two large gold eyes shimmering from a ravine. A spider-crawling, gray-skinned quadrupedal Sasquatch emerged, stalking the deer before rising smoothly onto two legs and pursuing it at full speed.John’s account also touches on regional Bigfoot activity tied to the Ohio River, Green River, Mammoth Cave system, and nearby Ohio County. Additional sightings discussed include incidents from Scotts Road in Indiana (1996) and the Pearl River Basin in Louisiana (2022)—all of which appear in his book.This is an essential listen for anyone interested in spider-crawl Bigfoot, predatory Sasquatch behavior, all-fours locomotion, and rare eyewitness encounters.Get your copy of John's book here: https://amzn.to/4a3pgA0 (Amazon affiliate link that helps support the podcast)🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072

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See loos.com for details. Visit your nearby lows on West Pico Boulevard in Los Angeles. You're listening to Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first-hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways, the stories come from everywhere. And each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

these are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Mr. John Reiner's today. John is the author of a newer book, Crouching, Behemoth, Quadrupedal, Sasquatch, which was a fascinating read. And we'll talk all about it. But welcome to the show, John.

How are you doing today, sir? Well, I'm doing fine. I challenge you to say the name of the book three times fast. I started to do. I got it one. So mouthful. There's a reason I'll get into why I named it that just well. And I really appreciate Jeremiah the opportunity to come on here.

I've enjoyed the show for a long time. Well, thank you. And I've got my copy right here. It's very cool. Even signed. Love that. But it's very cool. Man, it is cool.

I'll talk about it for a few minutes. So I went into it and it blew me away by the amount of witness accounts that you have in it, that I had not heard. When I'm thinking of Bigfoot books that have really good encounters in there that you've never heard, I would say it's up there, top three, to be honest. And so, I mean, hats off to you, dude. I only recognize probably one of them. and that was Annette from Oregon who have actually been able to speak with on the show. But I was like, wow, these are these are incredible. And I've never heard of.

And your writing style is very cool. It's very like we're just talking back and forth. And so hats off to you. And you've got some great interviews in there with people that listeners would recognize. And we'll talk about that later, at least one of them. But, you know, John, I got to ask. ask you, what was it that that led you to write this book and to gather all these encounters to begin with? Okay. Well, I had an unusual encounter. I guess I should start. My encounter happened on

November 17th of 2020. And by trade, I'm an RN. And you asked about the detailed, the detailed stuff in the book. I think that's where I get it because prior to that, I was in the Coast Guard. So between Coast Guard training and being a nurse for so long, you get used to be in detail. oriented. So I had this encounter. I'll touch on that in a minute. But the reason I did the book, I saw this thing and I was on my way to the cab. And what had happened on that night, I worked the night shift at the hospital. At that point, you know, COVID was in full swing. So I was working on an immunocompromise unit as well as on the COVID floor. So whenever I would leave the COVID floor that morning, I would get swabbed. And then they would check it out to make sure I was

safe to go back to the other unit where there's immunocompromise. Okay. cancer patients and so forth. And that afternoon, it was like 5 p.m. I got up, was getting ready for work. My phone rings. I get a call from the hospital. They tell me, well, you're positive. You can't come in tonight.

So I'm like, well, oh boy. And so at that time, it was early on, they told me that you have to quarantine for seven days. Well, at the time, my father-in-law was living with us. He was getting frail, was pre-nursing home. So we were going between my wife's sister, You know, sharing him for a month at a time to, you know, kind of spread out the caregiver stress. And I felt like, oh, boy, I don't know if I got it that day at work or before.

So I was worried that he might have contacted it, which would have been a really bad deal. So at the time, they weren't home. So I called my wife and they were out shopping. And I said, you guys better go get swabbed. I've got in quarantine. So we have a little cabin at Rough River Lake, which I'm in Owensboro, Kentucky. So Rough River is about 58 miles. So that was my plan.

I said, well, you know what? I was working on a fishing book at that point. And I figured, well, I'll use the seven days. I'll go quarantine. I'll work on my fishing book more than just fishing. And so on the way up here, by this time, it was probably, I left Owensboro about nine, so you're looking around 9.30. And if you get on Google, you'll be able to see the site.

You can find where I'm talking about. 54 east heads out of Owensboro and you're going towards rough river lake but when you get up to this town you'll see a small bird called fordsville you get to fordsville in highway 261 runs north from there so i turn there and go north well that stretch is about 11 mile stretch till you get to 105 that 10 miles stretch well maybe it's about 11 miles i think i've metered it out but 10 miles of it's heavy woods and then you get into one mile the last mile it breaks into farmland and and then you get to 105 head south to the wet lake. It's about seven more miles until I get to the lake. So I was kind of daydreaming and just driving along.

I get on 261 north and I go through all the wooded area. And you've got to be really vigilant in that area. I almost hit a horse one time. A horse got out on the road. You never know what's going to get out on the road. Some of these farmers in the distance have animals, livestock I've seen on the road.

So as I get close to the edge of the woods, when I get to that last mile I spoke about, there's a ravine of trees that follow along the left side of the road. There's a farmer's field that extends beyond that, that breaks in between two rows of trees. You've got the ravine on the left side of the road, and about 30 yards beyond that, you have a second ravine that goes maybe 100 yards further.

So that's on the left side of the road. On the right side, you have woods that come right up to the road for a little bit further, and then it breaks off in a farmer's field on that. So as I'm coming down the road, I see the size on the right side of the road. It was white, made a tent. And so anyway, so this big buck comes right up onto the road. And when I say a big buck, I've seen smaller deer mounted on a wall.

It had at least five times on each side, a really well antlered buck. Pretty good size, too. But he comes up on the road and just stops. But he's not staring at me. He's looking off to the left. And so as I was going 55 at the time, it's just a two-lane rural highway. At this time of night, there's very little traffic. So as this buck comes up to stops, I'm trying to figure out what's this buck doing.

And I'm looking at him, and he's not really looking at me too much. But it appeared like he was panting kind of heavily. So as I'm approaching, I slow down, slow down, slow down. And as I'm slowing down, I mentioned that second row of trees, second ravine that was extended 100 yards beyond. Something catches my eye over there. As I'm getting closer, you know how your headlights has shine that goes off to the side. It starts illuminating as you're coming up.

So what catches my eye is two gold eye shine. And when I say two gold eye shine, I'm talking about a predator because you know how deer they'll have monocular vision where it's on. This is a binocular vision head on. When you see that, you generally think predators. her right away. My first thought was mountain line, but my God, these eyes are huge. And because I've seen mountain lions before. And the thing is, as I'm getting up to this deer, now I'm almost stopped because he's not moving. And then I realize he's not watching me because he's looking

over at what I'm looking at on the left. So as this thing is facing me, it's coming towards me. But what was unreal about it, it was about three to four feet off the ground. And I saw a face. not a face like a wild animal and it wasn't human but it had gray skin and it had the two gold eyes that were shimmering in my or the the um shimmering in my um in my headlights the orange color and then it looked like it had kind of a boxer's kind of a pug nose and I could see lips I didn't see teeth I wasn't close enough to see that but you could see like a mouth area and the skin looked gray and it had a receiving hair line kind of like I do where the hair came like just down maybe a couple inches above the brow ridge and it wasn't really conical it was slightly conical but the best i could describe the head shape if anybody's ever seen brock lesnar the all-star wrestler right i wouldn't say this to his face he'd kill me but we got brock leznor right here man yeah hopefully to god he's not listening to find me i'm hoping he's a thousand miles away but his head was shaped like that and you couldn't really see anything else

else other than it looked, I'll tell you why I know they were arms, but at the time I didn't, I saw two limbs splayed out and two other in the back. And it was moving like a spider, kind of like this coming towards me slowly. And so I was like by this time, I'm almost stopped. I'm just looking at this thing in amazement, trying to figure out what I see. So as I'm comprehending this, I look back over at this buck because I start to see movement. Well, this buck, I would say this creature was probably at my nine o'clock. Well, this buck takes off at about 11 o'clock in my position. And that's out into this open farmer's field. And I'm thinking, what is this thing doing? And I didn't know why he just didn't go back to the right. So this spider that's walking towards me sees the deer on the move. It turns.

And now it's running. It started as a gallop and it's at a full speed run. I don't have any doubt that on all fours it was going to catch this deer. But what happened next was really amazing. As I could still see it, it went up smoothly as it's running on four, up on two. And I've heard of other people saying they've seen the opposite where they've gone on two and dropped to four. This was on four. He rises up to two.

And I don't know why at first. Well, he was going to catch it on four. I wonder why. So after a while, I contemplated what I believe. was going on. I think that this this Sasquatch, what I knew after it stood up, I think that he was wary of the bucks horns. And I think that from what I've done from research, I find out a lot of times they'll ring their neck. And I believe that they're safety conscious and analytical enough. I think he went up so his head would be higher than the deer's head so you wouldn't get times in the eyes

because on all four there was a possibility. If you go tackle something, you're going to get them horns right in your face. So that's what I think happened. So anyway, so at this point, I'm stopped. I just thought, I'm going to roll my window down and see if I can hear anything. I was just amazed. Well, I didn't have it down very long. I hear a crash off to my right.

So I didn't even think about that. And so what it was, I don't know if there's a branch coming through, a creature smashing through or a tree being ripped down. It was a loud crash. So I thought there's another one in there. So I was in a six-cylinder Ford F-150 at the time. so I couldn't really squeal too fast, but I got out of there as quick as I could. Well, later on, what I figured happened, this deer, the reason he was panting when he got on

the road, I think there was another one that had been stalking this buck for God knows how long. And I think the plan was for it to come right across the highway and wandering out for safety into that second ravine of trees that was sticking out. And that's where the other one was on all fours. And I think he was on fours to be stealthy and not easily seen. and bailed just tagged that deer as soon as he got close without having to work too hard for it. I think they were hunting in tandem is what happened.

I just came along at the bad time. And I think that the deer stopped because he saw an opportunity. I think he realized he was being stalked. He must have because he was panting like he'd been chased for a while. And I don't know if he wanted me to just hit him and end it or if he figured maybe the creature would leave him alone after the car was there. So after that, I got down another mile. And when I got to 105 South, right there, there's this little intersection called McQuady.

If anybody Googles Earth, they can see there's a little post office. There's a little bit more building there now at that intersection. But at this time, there wasn't as many buildings, but there was a little post office trailer. So I pull in there. And at this point, I'm kind of scared. And I guess I had to do a welfare check on my bridges and make sure everything was cool and my heart rate slow down. And I was contemplating this is what's stupid. I almost wiped out the gene pool of my family.

I was dumb enough to think, I'm going to drive back there with my high beams on and see, like, go to an angle and see if anything's illuminated up in this field and see if I can see these creatures eating this deer. Well, before I did something stupid, all of a sudden, I hear, Jake breaks of this big semi coming down north on the highway, or I guess he'd be west, and he was going to go right past the sighting.

So at that point, I thought, you know, what, I'm just going to get onto the cab, and this isn't right. And I figured later, seven days later, when I came back through in the daylight, I would look out in that field and see it was private property, so I couldn't really go on the land. But I went over and pulled over and looked around with some binoculars to see if I could see any horns or a carcass out there. I didn't see anything.

And it doesn't mean that it wasn't killed and eaten right there. In Kentucky, a lot of time, if somebody sees a dead buck, they'll pull over and grab the horns and cut them off so they can have the antlers for, you know, hunting. the rattle or whatnot or bragged to their friends and pretend like they killed a big pup. Right. But anyway, so after that, I get to my cabin

and I'm still kind of like not sure what to do. So I called my wife. She wanted me to call her, make sure I got up here safe. Well, as I'm talking to her, she says I can tell something wrong. What's bothering you? And I said, well, I don't really want to tell you this, but because I

kind of know my wife is, she's a pretty, uh, analytical person, but she doesn't usually believe in like not things like Bigfoot too much. So I tell her and she's quiet for a minute. She goes, are you sure you didn't see a mountain line? I said, honey, I watched this thing. I got a perfect look at it and it went up on two feet. And she's wanting to know how close I was.

Well, actually I was close enough that I could see when it stood up. It was it was lean, but it had muscles. It wasn't like some of me here, like these big weight lifter, like, Lesnar's body kind of build. It was muscular, but it was lean, more like a fit swimmer. And I do remember when its arm went up, I remember the elbow looked like it was an unusual place. It looked higher up.

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because at the time I was poor and I was way up in the nosebleed section at Madison Square Garden. So Patrick Ewing didn't look that big, but still you could tell he was big. This thing was at least as tall as that. Patrick Ewing, I think, was around seven foot. This thing was somewhere between seven and eight feet. but it was wider than like a human would be, I'd say maybe three feet wide at the shoulder. And you can see it tapered down a little bit at the waist. But what I really remember seeing is in the scapula area, there was some bare area that you could see some of that gray looking like what I saw on the face.

So it made me realize that's hair or not fur. It kind of looks a lot more like hair. Gotcha. So that would be around like the shoulder blade area? Correct. Yeah, that scapula right in the back. My goodness, how far apart were the eyes would you say? If I had to guess, it's hard to, I talked to Charlie Raymond of the KBRO,

and he says it's very hard for people to estimate distances unless you're a golfer. People that golf know 300 yards, 200 yards and inches and whatnot. But I would say they were probably six inches apart. They were further removed than they. then maybe like a horse. I would say the eyes were a horse size, maybe a tad bigger, but like I say,

they were directly on and maybe a little bit further apart than a horse would be. So I'm going to say like six inches or so. Okay. So we talked about the shape of the head, but the size of it, if you were to look at the size of it in your mind, the size of the head and compare it to some kind of, household object, what would it be compared to?

I would say a basketball, if I had to guess, about the size of basketball. And what was weird is the head was enormous, but when it stood up, it didn't appear. Now, it could have been leaning forward. I don't know that. But the head did not appear as proportionate to the body as say ours would. As big as the head was, it seemed a tad bit small for the size of the shoulders. I was looking at. And like I say, I believe they have necks. I think they just have traps that come up that hide the neck. Again, kind of like Brock Lesnar. He's got trapped. Oh my goodness. You're going to beatle-use Brock Lesner and have him show up. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. But like if you look at him, that's kind of like from the back. That's kind of what I feel like is wide the head. And it could have been leaning. If we know as you're running, this thing was smooth. But I don't know if he was hunched. Because it's hard to tell from the angle.

Once he went up, I was just amazed looking at the back and whatnot. But I remember seeing the head didn't seem as big as what the body looked like. So it could have been because it was leaning forward. But to me, when I initially saw it, it looked like about a basketball size, but maybe a tad bigger. But on the body, it looked a little bit smaller on the body like than ours would, for instance. How far away from Ohio County is this area? Oh, Ohio County. So this was Breckenridge County. Ohio County, I would say a mile, maybe two miles.

Oh, my goodness. Okay, because I have gotten some wild stuff from Ohio County, and that makes, I mean, that whole area down there has to be wild. Well, I think what part of it is, is, you know, after I've done research on this, I talked to a number of people. and we've got the Ohio River runs right on the edge. Like in Owensboro, it runs right past Owensboro, but where I'm at the lake here, I'm probably like, I don't know, 12 to 14 miles straight over to get to the river. So you got the Ohio River,

and then the Ohio River after Owensboro, you've got the Green River. You've heard of the Green River Monster. You see a lot of stuff over in Spotsville and things like that. But then you also have on the other side of where I'm out at the lake, Mammoth Cave is only like 50 miles away. Well, Mammoth Caves got tributaries going all over the place. They're still never discovered the whole cave system.

There's farmers around here that discover entrances that they didn't even know was on their own land for years. So who knows? Maybe these things move around in caves or the rivers. I don't think they're against jumping in a river at night and floating down to avoid a town like Owensboro because on the other side of Owensboro, they have a lot of big foot sightings. And then on this side, towards the Rough River Lake, there's a lot over in Ohio County. So at some point they have to traverse Owensboro.

So I figured they'd probably do it either by walking the river bank where there's no houses because you're in floodplains. So there's nothing close by. It's a perfect place to move. Lots of game down there too. Or they could just get in the river and just float right on down the river. Wow. Just for listeners, is that one of those old school like bird clocks from the 90s? That's my alley.

Yeah. I'm at my cabin. So I have that bird house. different birds every every hour. Yeah, my grandfather used to have one of those is very cool. They're hard to find unless they redid him. But have you ever talked to Don Neal from over there? Yes, I have as a matter of that. Yeah, he's actually in the KBRO. I've talked to him and I've talked to Charlie Raymond, who's the founder. And I actually interviewed him in the book as well. Don Neal told me, oh, that's who you need to talk to. I wanted to interview Don, and he turned me on to Charlie.

yeah that is a really good interview so one of the interviews in this book is with charlie raymond which is great um also uh and don neil i was able to interview him if i think it was a few months maybe half a year ago oh nice also a really good interview from the same area i would recommend people check that out but so you have this really wild encounter uh citing and then does it Do you step back and you're like, man, I got to figure this out? Or is it a thing where you just, you jump into it? And you're like, you know what? I'm going to go after this. And even if it takes me out, I'm going to figure out what's going on here.

Okay. So when I told you, I came to the cab and to quarantine. So when I got here, it was like a day in. And I had planned. My intention was to work on my other book and more than just fishing. I was getting close to finishing that book. And I figured had seven days might just push me over the top and get this public. be done. But what happened by day two, I was still disturbed. I hadn't got around to working on it

because all I could think about was what I saw. And so then I got on my computer. I started researching and really all I could find, and it's still true to this day, I could find one or two drawings of a spider and I could find a video on YouTube, this lady named Melina Ciderova. I believe it's Malina or Marina Ciderova. If you get on YouTube, you could find her. If you look at her spider dance. That's the closest thing I could find at the time. She moves around on all fours, and it's really creepy. And I'm thinking, my God, if somebody can do it with human limbs, of course, this Bigfoot could probably have done what I thought it was doing. And she does a pretty good example. That's the closest thing I've seen on a video that imitates what I saw,

that movement when she's moving around like a spider on all four. That's a pretty good video to check out. But anyway, so what happened? I start researching, researching, and I could find some sightings and so forth and whatnot. Well, then I realized I wanted to, I'm going to get a book on it and just order it. And then I'll start working on my book. Well, I get on Amazon. I get on good reads, other places. I can't find a book on this.

I'm like, my God, nobody's ever written about this. You know, there may be a story or two written in other books. I could not ever find a whole work on this whole thing. And that's one of the reasons why my book ended up 439 pages. There's nothing ever been done as far. total research just in the quadrupedal motion. And at first I had a hard time finding witnesses because sometimes people are reluctant to come forward with the Bigfoot

siding, but I find when they see something on four, they're even more reluctant because you're already going to get ridiculed by some, but now you're saying on all four, and now you're going to get ridiculed by even some people who believe in Bigfoot or have seen them because they didn't see it on four. So it took me a while to figure out how to get witness. And I'll tell you how I got my first witness. This was, I think it was, I want to say, 22, right around there.

Will, every year there's at Indiana University, they have a collegiate bicycle race. It's the biggest bicycle race in the country of college level. And it's called The Little 500. There was a movie about it. I think back in the early 80s, there's a young Dennis Quaid was in the movie. If you ever read break or watch the movie Breaking Away. People that have seen that movie, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. It's a huge race.

You go there in the whole stadium was sold out, standing room only. So my nephew was enrolled at IU in business school. He was on a bicycle team called Novus, was their cycling team. Well, we were getting ready to go up there for the race. He calls me excitedly and said, you're not going to believe it. Uncle John, you're not going to believe this. And his name's Tommy. So Tommy tells me, we were sitting around our team one day after training,

just sitting around having a cold drink and somehow I ended up mentioning your big foot sighting and he says my friend Kobe that's on the team he stepped back and said whoa you're not going to believe this and so coley had told him he said years earlier I think it was in 96 his whole family he's got a large family I think it's seven they were at Lake Monroe well their farm he grew up not far out of Bloomington so they were on the way back to their farm from Lake Monroe and they got on this road called Scott's Road. Well that whole area if you look at it, there's several forests that back up there. One of them is the Hoosier National Forest, and then there's several state parks that's all just, if you get on Google Earth, you'll see it.

Look at Scott's Road and you'll see beyond that, all the forest. So they were a few miles on Scott's Road just from their farm. And he said they come up to this T intersection and his dad stopped the car and said, oh my God. And there was this creature standing under this tree. It looked He was picking something from low branches of this tree and eating them. So the whole family saw it. I talked to several family members of his family. They all said the same thing. And what happened after the thing became aware that they were just sitting there in their vehicle,

watch it get turned, it drops on all forwards and scoots right across the highway right past the front of the vehicle. So the whole family got a look at it. And he said it was maybe seven feet, but he said it was very scrawny. It almost looked like it had manged that the hair was coming. kind of thin in areas, but they got a really good look at it, and there's a really good description in the book of it. And so then I asked him, well, your farm's not that far away. Have you guys ever had anything else on your farm? Well, he said a year or two earlier, they were hiking and they heard something sound like howler monkeys in the woods. If you ever

Google howler monkey sounds, they're creepy. And he said, it scared a crap out of them. And he won't even go in their own woods on the back side of their farm because those woods end up going up to the National Forest and all that eventually. And he said, there's something back there. And I've been paced before, but I'd never see anything until the whole family saw at that time. So that's the first witness I found. And I thought, well, gosh, now I got to do this book. Because by then I'd had tons of information and about on all four and the types of joints and articulated joints.

And I'll tell you about my theory on the joints here in a bit. But then I got my first live witness to talk to. and then it wasn't long after that he was able to tell me about somebody else that he had connected with and i got another witness and then after that i found out i did a stupid thing i went on my facebook said anybody know anybody that's seen this well they come out of the woodwork and some of them i just could like man come on so i figured out that wasn't probably the best way to go about finding it so a lot of times i just joined a lot of different groups and I would listen to a lot of different podcasts. And when I saw one that would fit the mold,

I would try to, if they set on the podcast, where they usually are if they give their contact information, most don't. So sometimes you could find them. If you're on different Bigfoot groups, eventually you'll find posts where somebody says, I saw this, and then I would instant message them. And then usually we would talk on the phone

and then set up an interview time. And I'd do a formal interview. and then I would type up what they told me. And now in the book, as you know, since you've read it, I take a lot of what I take their story. Sometimes I'll clean up the language, some of them, if I don't put the swear words or anything like that. But then I always research the area.

I Google Earth their area, or it's close enough. I've driven out to some of the sightings. And I also research their area, and I like to put in the book, maybe if it's close to a state or national forest, I give the acreage, the types of animals that are there, or something interesting about that area, maybe who's famous from that area. So I get a little bit in each chapter, a story besides the Bigfoot story that's of interest. And some of them that, you know, you go off the deep end.

One of them I got into Venus fly traps that grow in the area and told how, you know, the story about Venus flytrap. So there's a lot of cool stuff in there that gave me liberty to, when I'm there exploring that area to just see what else is there. It is really well done. And would you say there's probably about 30, maybe around 30 accounts in there? What would you say? I think there's actually more because there's one chapter that has small accounts.

That's right. I've just got some small shorter that wasn't really enough to do a whole chapter. So counting knows, I would say maybe it's pushing like 38 somewhere around there. I'm counting them up. But you're right. Somewhere around 30 to 38. But, man, yeah. And some of my good news.

I did some interviews and then I thanked them for their time and it wasn't like I felt like, like it's hard to, it's hard to say where you can get this skill maybe from different jobs I've had like a BS meter. So I felt like sometimes if I felt like their story didn't always line up or too many contradictions or maybe I'm not saying I don't believe in the woo. I don't know enough about Wu if it had too much flying saucers and stuff. I didn't include that. And the reason I didn't include that is after I talked to Dr. Meldrum, he wanted to know what kind of book it was. And he goes, I'm not going in a book if you got all kinds of UFO abduction,

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What I did when I initially tried to contact him, he's surprisingly accessible or was surprisingly accessible compared to some people. But he's a busy guy. He told me, he goes, John, I get thousands of emails every week. I try to weed through him, but it's so hard to answer everybody. but it had been a while like I emailed them and then emailed again and then I sent a letter follow up and I didn't hear anything and then I emailed again one more time I said I guess you're busy well I hadn't heard at that time he had just had a stroke and he emailed me back I don't

know if he typed it or something he goes I apologize I've had a stroke and I'm in rehab I promise I'll contact you when I'm when I'm through rehab and back to work so what I did at that point, I knew, man, when he gets to work, he's going to have so much on his desk and so forth. So I thought, aha, what I'll do, I got a big envelope multicolored. So I figured most of his mail he gets were going to be like the small letters. So I got a big envelope with all kinds of color around it. And I got the college address. I looked up in their directory at Idaho.

And I looked up his office. and I sent a copy of my more than just fishing book. And with the cover letter, and I told them, I appreciate everything you've always done. I understand if you're too busy to give me the time, but maybe you have some downtime between rehab if you want something enjoyable or read. Here's a book I wrote.

And after you're done, I would really appreciate some consideration if I could interview you about a siding I had and talk about the possibility of Sasquatch growing on to all fours. And so he ends up calling me. One day I'm driving down and my phone's ringing. I'm on the way up to the lake, actually. And I'm no number. He's like, I answer it.

And I was thinking it's going to be a telemarketer or something. He goes, John, Dr. Mildrum. I'm like, well, hello, sir. It's like just out of blue. He goes, well, you know how to get a guy's attention. I got this big envelope. But he said, it's the first thing I looked at on my desk. I thought, hot darn, darn, I got it.

That's great. So it works. And he liked the book. And so he said, I'll do the interview, but I have a caveat. I don't sign on that these bigfoot go down on all four very often. And I said, Dr. Meldram, that doesn't discourage me because you just said they don't go down very often. You didn't say you don't think they go down on all four.

And that's my premise too. I don't think they're often on all four. But it's just like Starbucks. I might buy a coffee once a week. I don't do it very often, but I do do it. maybe these big foot go on all four once on occasion when they're hunting or to hide maybe once a week or whatever that's not very often so he kind of laughed at that analogy and i even told him that that movie dumb and dumber i remember um i can't think jim carrie and

elizabeth hurley he asked her character for a date and she goes no i wouldn't go to you a date he goes what are the odds and she goes a million to one he goes so i still got a chance yeah right I told him I still got a chance. And darn it, a couple of weeks later, we set up the interview. And I sat here. He gave me about two hours of his time. And he unloaded on it and told me all kinds of stuff. Oh, my goodness.

That's really, that's such an incredible opportunity you were able to have. And I'm guessing there's way more that was not put in the book. Sometimes we got sidetracked and he goes, now don't put this in there. We got almost talking like a couple of buddies. found out he wasn't that much older than me. So we had quite a bit in common. And so we kind of talked about society and all. He goes, now this is not, he would tell him off the record. And so I was like, no problem. And everything I sent him, I told him, I will send the chapter. It ended up being two chapters because I couldn't, he had too much to just go one chapter. So I sent him. And when I got

a back, I felt like a third grader that just got a paper, an incomplete paper. There was red marks all over it. and I thought all crap. Well, some of it was just stuff he wanted strict and like to clean up the way he said it. Because I told him I was going to type it up just like our conversation. So some of it was run on sentences. And so he ended up correcting all the grammar and everything. And I thought, man, I hadn't been through the final edit. I put that on the cover letter.

So I called him. I said, I'm sorry. I feel like I got an F on my paper. He goes, no. He said, you did way better than a lot of my students. He goes, I'm used to mark a stuff. And, you know, the proper thing needs to be. Like Heidelbergances has to be in parentheses.

I didn't have that. And he highlighted that with a marker. But I cleaned it out and sent it back and he put A plus. So we got to publish. Yeah. Yeah, I think he told me it was the only time he'd ever been interviewed on a big foot on all four. And that was the whole soul interview. So I was sad when he passed.

But I was really fortunate to be able to have talked to him. Yeah. It is a very, very sad day when I heard that as well. Yeah. Are there any, you know, from that multiple hour discussion and then doing all that work to put it in your book, were there any takeaways that really stick out that he had, I'm sure he was just throwing out some incredible things about, you know, talking about Bigfoot down on all four and how that might work or might not work with the way of the things that we know about the anatomy of the creature.

Yeah, he actually, as you know, he had probably one of the largest, if not the largest, cast and footprint collections. So, and he casted many of those on his own. He actually went on site a lot of times if the prints were preserved and made his own prints. So what he told me, he goes, with all the years I've collected prints, I've never found, he said, I only have a few handprints, and those are usually going up a hill. So he said, I do definitely believe they'll go to on all four going up an incline, you know, kind of like a four-wheel

drive truck to go up an incline. He says, I do believe that. And that's where I found handprints. He says, nobody really ever finds handprints with, that shows they went on all fours with the footprints. But I told them, and we had a really good discussion on this, and he's appreciated my candor and I said well let me ask you a question I said I'm just dumb enough to wonder why maybe there's a reason I said have you ever considered that the reason why nobody's found the footprints is because when they go on all four they might not necessarily be on their feet they might be on the balls a lot of witnesses I talked to at this time I told them tend to say the feet were splayed out at an odd angle and on the balls of their feet and I said a lot of them some of them think they were on the

fingers and some think on the knuckles. I said those would not make handprints. And I said a lot of times I think that people wouldn't even know what they're looking at. If they just saw the balls of feet, handprints would look like two different animals come through there. You know, a lot of times people aren't going to pay attention to know. And the other thing I told them, I said, the other thing I think is he definitely

didn't describe in the woo. I said, but do you think there's a more natural explanation for when people say they see a big foot disappeared? and we discussed hair collar, maybe they can blend in, but I said, have you considered that maybe they could drop down on all four, say there's some tall grass, somebody sees it, it drops down so fast in a blink of an eye, you think it disappeared. Maybe it really didn't.

Maybe it dropped on all four. So that was a good discussion we had. And then he said he hadn't really considered my footprint theory. And I said maybe it would explain too when somebody sees footprints disappear, like the print, print, print, and all of a sudden nothing. Maybe because it dropped to all four, all of the, sudden now the weight's distributed and you no longer have the 800 pounds or whatever being pressed down on two feet all of a sudden from the elamist standpoint maybe it rained a little bit

in the soft ground it looks like there's footprint footprint footprint in the middle of the field and the thing disappeared maybe he dropped all four and went away maybe he saw somebody at farmer in a field or whatever and it took off on all four oh man that is something to think about isn't it We might not be looking for the right thing for when it, I mean, goes into sports mode. And then who knows how much quicker. If it maybe it can move quicker when it's down on all fours as opposed to just on two legs. And, you know, who knows. Yeah, you could go stealth.

You can do it to hunt, to stalk, to hide, to blend in. A lot of different reasons. Just like, you know, human, it dawned on me. One day, I was in my garage and I dropped a whole bunch of screws. well, I didn't stand up each time and pick up screws and pick them up. I got down on my hands and knees and walked around and got them all. So if you think about a Sasquatch and the various food needs they would have, if they're rooting for roots or getting berries from a short tree,

it doesn't seem very economical to stand up each time, pick the roots, stand up, eat it, go back down. Why not move around on all forests where you can pick the low berries, pick what's on the ground and forage nuts that have fallen down? It would make more sense to move around. on all four. I think they're highly adaptable and they do what they need to survive. Absolutely. You had said that you have some interesting theories about tendons. Well, yeah, tendons and joints. So I had run this by Dr. Melden, too. I think that I have a strong

background in orthopedics. I worked orthopedics for years. I work in mental health now. But the years I did orthopedics, I always know like, so you say your arm, that's a hands joint. and you have in your knee a hens joint. So when we think of a big foot at an odd angle, we're thinking in terms of human anatomy, just because they have arms and legs like we do, doesn't necessarily mean that their joints are made the same. So if you take a thumb,

and that's called a saddle joint in your thumb, and you notice how I can move it around like that, well, I ran it by Dr. Malum, I said, what if you had a saddle joint or something closer to that up in an elbow, and elbows higher up, where that thing can move in all different directions, but you feel like a stable,

a saddle joint can be stable. You're going like that, and it's not giving way. So why couldn't you have limbs with maybe more like a saddle joint and where people say they see them even on two feet moving like they're on an escalator, that could explain more with that saddle joint type of joint that makes them not bounce.

Like we bounce, we've got hens joints and there's wear and tear. And I ran that by Dr. Meldrum, And I also said, you know, compare, like he did admit. He said, Patty, he said the intramembral index on Patty was like a 90, which means that they take the ratio of the four limbs and the lower limbs. And he said, like humans, he talked about this family in Turkey. There's a family of four in Turkey that all walk on all four.

And he goes, if you watch them, and that's all they do. They only walk on all four. But he said, if you watch them, they look. like a stink bump, their butts up in the air, and it's because of the limb difference. And he said, chimps are the same way, their butts a little, but not quite as bad as a human. And he said, it makes them swagger a little bit when they're moving, which could explain some spider movement. But then if you take even different, he said, Patty, he goes, I'll concede this, Patty's limbs. He believes that Patterson Gilman filmed to be the real deal. And he said,

based on the index, he believes that the limbs were conducive to go down on all fours and make it a lot easier than it would be for a human. So he did to see that as well. Wow. And so I think that their joints might be different is why they can do some of these things. That's, yeah, that's a really big deal. My goodness. Do you have a account in your book that? sticks out to you as maybe a favorite description of a Bigfoot doing a spider crawl or one that was maybe the

best description that you've heard of? Well, there's actually quite a few good ones, but one that's coming to mind right now, and it'll lead in to another story I wanted to share with you. There was a family from Ohio. It was a family of four, and his name was Casey, and the wife's name was Allison. I talked to both them. They had two kids named, I think it was Addy and Declan. Anyway, what happened, they were on Ohio, and it was in 2022. They went on vacation to Louisiana. Well, they went to the Bogachita Reserve, and they also went to the Pearl River basin.

And so the story's longer than that, and they're kind of tells where they stayed and everything. But one of the days, they were driving around the area just trying to, you know, take it in and look at the swamp and whatnot. So they see this gravel road or this rural road. They go down. Then they see a gravel road and they turn down that. Well, it kind of dead ends like an ATV trail. So at this point, they decide, you know what, let's just go out into the woods and check this out.

There was nobody around there and the trail was conducive. Part of their needs were they have their daughters paralyzed. So they had a special wheelchair that has a big knobby wheel with the chair on it. It's kind of like a chariot or a Rick Shaw maybe. It's got a handle on each side so one person can go from the front and the other person can push. So when they go through terrain, this wheel's designed to be able to do that so she could hike with them. So what they do is a family. They got mom and dad are pushing and the son's walking along beside.

They're going down this trail. They get back in their ways. And all of a sudden, I hear commotion on the right side. A wild boar comes crashing through there, goes right across the path off to the left. Well, within a few seconds, they see a two-legged, about seven and a half foot tall creature with dark hair come across, didn't even look at them, was going right after this bore. Well, it wasn't long they hear this boar squeal, squeal, squeal, like this deafening squeal, and all of a sudden they hear a snap and the squeal stops.

And the family at this point was just beside themselves, like what's going on. And so where spider crawl comes in, and the reason why they're, They contacted me. His brother was the one that initially contacted me. So if I can get my brother to talk about it, he might go in print with the story. So anyway, so as they were discussing what they were going to do,

they looked forward, and there stands a little creature on all fours. They said it was about 50 pounds, and it looked sort of like a chimp. But they said it was on all fours, walking on fours, and just staring at them. And they said it almost had a reverse mohawk.

It was bald. on the middle, but had kind of toughs of hair on the sides, kind of like it was young and it was like still filling in. But this thing, she said, had blue eyes, steely blue eyes. She said, we were close enough that this thing, it stared at us, like it was in awe and amazement of us. And we were staring back. So she said it was like a standoff,

but she was able to give such a good description because they got to look at it and they were so scared. Well, then it wasn't long. As they're just in a standoff, they hear a loud whistle, off to where they think the bore was killed. If you want something done right, you do it yourself. That's why you change your own oil. You wouldn't trust your engine to just anybody.

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And the thing without a second thought turned and took off. So now they're faced with we got to get back to the vehicle and you can only go so fast pushing that wheelchair. So they were able to get back and luckily they weren't paced out or nothing chased them. So anyway, so what happened? The rest of the vacation was kind of disturbing for them and it kind of ruined their vacation because they couldn't sleep and they go back to Ohio and he went back to work and the kids back of school and they were disturbed they couldn't sleep at night they were showing classic classic signs of PTSD post-traumatic stress disorder it's an anxiety in order and it's unlike other anxiety disorders it's um it can have external causes and the thing is whenever now

they get close to woods and smell woods it makes them go into effect so the family the dad mom decided as a family they need to go into therapy so they went to a therapist And so the therapist didn't exactly know they said they had a horrifying experience is how they booked it. They didn't want to tell them why until they got into therapy. They get into therapy and they're telling the therapist and the therapist starts laughing. Like you got to be kidding me. A big foot ran out in the trail and then a little one come out and she was laughing and just kind of making light of them. Well, he said it actually made him worse.

Like his daughter started tearing up. So let's go. I want to go. Now she doesn't want to talk. about it. Nobody wants to talk about it. So with that, I called them back and said, in your honor, I got a hold of Dr. David Harmon. Dr. David Harmon is my region. I'm in Kentucky, but in this whole region, he's the most well-known doctor who treats post-traumatic stress disorder. So I was able to get a contact through him, through working in health care. Another doctor I know was able to call him and say, could this guy come

talk to you and he wanted to know what about. He said a Bigfoot book and he goes, oh, well, this will be interesting. I don't know what I could add. So then he was intrigued. So he took the appointment. I met with him. And he goes, why do you want to meet with me about Bigfoot book? And I said, first of all, I'm not asking you to subscribe to whether you believe in Bigfoot or not. It's not the reason I'm here. So I just told him the story that I just told you about this family and what they saw and how disturbing it was to them and that it kind of was upsetting the family. tearing up their peace. And so I told about this therapist laughing.

So I thought, I want to do a chapter. I've never seen in a big foot book, a chapter about post-traumatic stress disorder. It gets overlooked. Sometimes people have sightings where they're far enough away, and it was maybe a little disturbing, but not enough to emotionally wreck them. These people were on foot and could have died,

and they felt the presence of it. And they were so traumatized that it was ruining their family dynamics. The kids quit hanging out with their other friends. the friends laughed at them, and one of them tried to tell their friends at school what happened. They got ridiculed and made it worse than they go to the therapist. So Dr. David Harmon, in the chapter, I asked him a lot of different questions about how he would treat somebody like this,

and what post-traumatic stress disorder is. But basically, in summation, what I really took away from it, he said, a good therapist does not have to believe the person when they came in, they don't have to believe that they had an account that they believe they had and saw something. He said, you're supposed to treat the trauma, not judge them one way or another. And I thought, you know what,

that's pretty much like I do in mental health. You're not supposed to judge them. You're supposed to treat what is. And he said, that's where, he goes, that's a therapist that shouldn't even have a license should be fired immediately. But so I thought, well, good for that. And so that family really appreciated that after in there, too.

It gave some insight, how another therapist would feel. But since then they found some other help. I think they ended up going through a chaplain that wasn't kind of like a Don Neal kind of guy. But yeah, that's why I did the chapter on PTSD because I thought, you know, that gets overlooked. A lot of people don't understand the peer trauma that some witnesses really go through. A hundred percent. And I remember when I was reading the book, I was like, wow, this is actually really cool that this is in here. and more people, I hope a lot of people are able to read the book, and especially that chapter, I think, is very, very good to help a lot of people.

Yeah, definitely. Do you have any, let's see, do you have any plans to write maybe another book about Bigfoot, or is this just like a one-off type deal? Well, actually, do you know, Jason Kansy? Oh, yeah, I've spent time with Jason out in the woods. movie producer. I've interviewed him already. The book I'm working on, I thought another book, there's books that have touched on it. So I'm working on a book. It'll be called Aquatic behemoth, Sasquatch Swims. And it's strictly to do with Bigfoot sightings in the water, involving water sightings. And I've contacted Thomas Seward. He's going to take part and let me interview him

for that book. And I've already got quite a few witnesses in there. My goal is next year I'm going to be at the Blue Bridge Bigfoot Festival first annual in Owensboro, there's a man going to kick that off. And he owns a place called Squatchkear in town. And so he's the one sponsor. And it's going to be, after talking to him, the guy knows what he's doing.

There's going to be a lot of people there in the year after we plan on having it a multi-day festival with shuttles going back and forth to the riverfront hotels to the center where it's going to be at. But my plan is to have that book. done by the time that festival because I'm going to be a speaker there and I want to be able to talk about that book as well. But yes, that should be published in hopefully June, June, July next year. Oh, that's fantastic. It'll be another lengthy one. I'm opening the spigot on that one too. Absolutely. And I would imagine, because I've seen you've been on a few other shows as well,

and I'm imagining you're probably continuing to get stories about spider crawling Sasquatch. Is that happening for you? Yeah, I haven't been like doing tons. I don't want to oversaturate. I think this is the fourth one I've been on since March. So it's been like three or four months since I've been on one. I try not to do too many. I try to do ones of people that I listen to their show and I kind of know what they're about and so forth.

but anyway yes I do do like taking part I was really glad to come on your show but yeah I haven't done two men I've done a few but not not a whole lot so do you think there could be a part two to this book one day

or you're just kind of maybe filing stuff you get away what's funny about it is after I came out the book I've had several other people write to me and say, oh man, I wish I knew that you were looking for it. And they give me their story. Like, that's a really good one. So I asked them, I said, I don't have plans on that right now,

but can I keep it in file in case I do a part two? I may go back to that after the swimming one. I'm pretty head and head over heels on the swimming one and really deep into it. And, you know, still work. I still work full time at the hospital. And I fish. I'm a fishing addict. So I try to find the time.

I use a lot of time in the winter, especially when the fish is. no good through the whole winter, I'll grind on the Bigfoot book. So hopefully I'll have a good, by next year, June or July, I'll have this other done. And then I may jump into a part two on the, because I'm getting, like I say, I've had, I think at least six or seven good ones of people that say if you do another one, I'd be happy to take part on there. Oh my goodness, dude.

Yeah, dude, you're already, you already have a good head start on that for sure. Is it a thing where you, have you all? ever gone out and tried to look in certain areas yourself or are you just sticking to interviewing people and and putting them together in a book? Yes, I have gone out and I've actually got there's a guy in Owensboro I actually had breakfast with him I don't know maybe a month and a half. Uh-oh, we'll give him a minute. Hey John. Hey Jeremiah. I don't know what happened. Hey, that's all right. Weird stuff happened. on the show, no problem. So you were talking to a guy in Owensboro. Yes. And he had heard me on another

podcast back in April and he didn't know my name. Well then later on, this lady at our local newspaper got on. Somehow she got a copy of my book and she called me up and said, do you want to do an interview in the newspaper? I said, sure. Well, then this guy, he had saw me in there and got my last name and everything and contacted me. So we went and had breakfast. I don't know, about a month and half ago, met at a huddle house and had a breakfast. And he told me, he said he grew up on his uncle's farm. And his family's house was just right next to his uncles. And he had a siting there. And he said they had this big foot standing up in the middle of this tobacco barn when they were down on the field. And he had had some other sightings and whatnot. And then they had one where he and a buddy

of his was up at one of the ponds at an old stripper pit on the land. And when he got up there, there was a big foot in the water, and it saw him in turn and took two steps out of the water and took off. So I talked to him about it, and I actually have a time set up now that it's getting into the winter, we're going to go exploring, and we'd probably spend the night out there and just see what's up. He's pretty confident that we'll hear something or see something. He said almost every time he's gone out there, there's either sees sign of activity or odd tree formations or hear something or sees movement or see something. So we're going to go check it out.

So I'm looking forward to that. I hunted for years. I'm not like a field squatcher, but I have gone out in the field numerous times. We've got 40 acres over in Indiana. I've walked through all that too. And there's an area there by Pigeon Creek that I've walked through and been out there shining around.

I've never seen anything. But yeah, I'm getting more into that. That's awesome. Well, John, this has been such a great conversation. Again, thank you so much for sending me a copy of the book so I could check it out. Sure. I was glad to have you on and hear things personally from you.

And do you mind spending a few minutes talking to people about how they can pick up a copy of the book, how they can contact you directly with any stories or questions they might have for you? Sure. First of all, I want to appreciate you taking the time. When I first had talked to you, I wanted to send you the book. So I feel like you do such a thorough job and I wanted you to have a copy in your hand so you could read it and see what I'm all about and so forth. And you ask great questions. I appreciate it. And to contact me, I'm on Facebook.

I've got John Reiner's and John Reiner's author, but you're going to get in contact me quicker under John Reiner's. I post most of my stuff on my regular Facebook. I've got a lot of people on there. But if they just use instant messengers, the way that they can get a hold of me pretty quickly. And if they can interact on anything I put on Facebook, everything I put on Facebook is either midfoot related or fishing related mostly, about 95% of it.

But yeah, through there is where I've made a lot of contacts. If anybody has a siding, a water siding, anything like that, contact me. I'd love to talk to you. There's one person that was on your show recently

that James from Pietta Siding in Missouri. I've talked to him. Okay. Yeah, yeah, totally. He's an awesome guy. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. Good stuff. Good stuff. Well, man, John, what a fun chat. Definitely keep in touch, please. I know you're going to be getting into some more cool stuff. And yeah, I'll be keeping an eye out for when the second book comes out. But thanks so much for being on the show. Sure, Jeremiah. I really appreciate it. And I appreciate the platform you give everybody. And your show is awesome. I love listen to. I listen to it a lot going back and forth. Like I say, I got a 58 mile drive. I go every week.

That's perfect. I get two hours or an hour there, an hour back. And, you know, unless I'm not speed, if I'm not speeding it, I got about a show and a half's worth. That's awesome. Well, thank you. I appreciate that, John. And we'll definitely keep in touch. Thank you, sir.

Hey, it's me again while I'm editing the show. Make sure you check this out. Here's how you can get it because it wasn't said in the episode. You can go to Amazon.com. Search for Crouching Behemoth, Quadrupedal Sasquatch by John Reiner's. I'm going to have the link down the show notes. Thanks, guys. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners.

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