Bigfoot Society - Radium Sasquatch with Logan Schoessow
Episode Date: October 14, 2024Join the Bigfoot Society as they delve into the intriguing world of Bigfoot research with Logan Schoessow, who collaborates with renowned researcher Todd Standing. In this episode, Logan shares his jo...urney into the Sasquatch community, starting with an interest sparked by listening to 'Coast to Coast AM' and leading to active participation in field research. Logan recounts his experiences in the remote wilderness of British Columbia, from hearing eerie sounds and discovering footprints to his personal encounters with the elusive Bigfoot. Discover how Logan uses cutting-edge technology and an innovative app to further the research and documentation of Bigfoot activity. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, this conversation offers fascinating insights into the ongoing quest to uncover the mysteries of Sasquatch.Resources:Todd Standing's Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@discoveringbigfootDiscovering Bigfoot app: https://www.discoveringbigfoot.orgEmail Logan - contact@bigfootlivestream.orgShare your Bigfoot encounter with me here: bigfootsociety@gmail.comWant to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: bigfootsociety@gmail.com
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of talking to Logan Chesau today. He's an individual who's currently collaborating with
Mr. Todd standing on some different Bigfoot projects. We'll be definitely hearing about that
tonight but how are you doing today Logan I'm doing great awesome I'm glad that you were able to
come on the show and talk about your your history with Sasquatch over the years and I'd love to
actually start with that what was it that first got you involved in this this wild community
and being involved with such a high-level individual such as Todd it's not too complex of a story
I think I started off.
I'm really getting into Bigfoot listening to old school AM radio coast to coast.
I know a lot of people may have not started that way.
So I always really enjoy listening to Bigfoot stuff.
Didn't really get too much into the documentaries or finding Bigfoot when I was a little bit younger
just because it didn't really seem to ever produce anything.
So I always just love to listen to people's accounts of Bigfoot or researchers.
that are getting into the science.
So this is a side passion of mine
for probably the last 10 years.
And then, yeah, after that,
like I said,
this is before I even started listening to the podcast.
I think it was about 2019.
I got late into the podcast world.
I don't know why.
I just always listening to Ghost
when I have a second to do something.
And I heard Todd standing on there.
He was talking to the host at the time.
I think it was George Knapp.
And he was given some detailed accounts and some women outsiders look kind of fantastical stories and ended it with a call to, if you don't believe me, I'll take you out and show you the thing.
And I've never really heard anyone give that call to action.
And I was like, who is this guy?
I don't understand.
I've never heard of him.
I've never heard of his documentary.
And I've got three kids.
I don't have a lot of time to watch a lot of TV.
So I found a documentary, watched it twice, and I was like, this is, you know, if it's legitimate, it's amazing.
And how come nobody's really talking about this?
And I think a lot of people were.
It's just behind the ball a little bit.
And a lot of people were dismissive and apprehensive and apprehensive and all the above.
But I know after getting a note, Todd, he's been around the Bigfoot world for really long time.
I was just behind eight balls on my side.
So I was like, if I'm going to go out and really get into this,
I want to go out with someone that claims they have activity.
I want someone that's as much as an expert as they can be.
I decided to reach out to them.
And it took months to get like a follow-up because he's a busy guy.
And he finally got back to me and we chatted.
And the discovery of Bigfoot kind of started from there.
Fascinating.
I'm just curious being a coast-to-coast fan.
And I don't get to talk to many of those.
usually people will bring up something else like in search of or monster quest or something like that.
But did you have a favorite episode from all those years of listening to the program?
I just, I don't know if I can think of a favorite.
I feel like I heard the guys from the other Bigfoot podcast on their West.
I feel like I heard him on Coast to Coast because his story, when I later heard in the five years down the road,
but I felt like he came on coast to coast and told that story already.
So that one kind of rings a bell off the top of my head,
but I don't know.
I just always enjoyed listening to it.
There wasn't anyone that really stood out,
but I always found it like so fascinating how it could be this people in the woods
that we haven't really truly discovered, at least in this day and age, we haven't.
Absolutely.
You know, I've listened.
to a few episodes. My favorite Bigfoot episode on that show is definitely bugs the Texas
Hunter and Robert W. Morgan and how he had the buried bodies down there and allegedly
Art had the map how to find them, but he lost the map in a move of his studio or home. So it's a wild
interview. But listeners haven't found that before. You can find it on YouTube, I think. So,
you get introduced to Todd through coast to coast, which is really cool.
And then you say, hey, let's go for it.
It takes a few months.
And then you get up there in Todd's area.
Yeah.
So our first time out kind of expeditialized was Todd with Todd was September of 2021.
So I was out there for seven days with him with another.
there's me Todd and another Canadian from a town called Red Deer.
And yeah, that was my first.
I talked to Todd on the phone because he likes to vet people
because he wants people that are really into the subject
and not just the wrong type of people that are there
not to have an experience.
I'll just put it that way.
So he looks for the right mentality in the sense
and kind of weeds out some of the people that aren't really real.
Because there is an expense to it.
And that's where he makes some of his living.
He's taking people out.
I'm trying to show them.
You can imagine.
Been in a week away from their family is not, it's time, it's money, it's energy.
So he wants the right type of person out there with him.
Yeah, back in September 21, I went out there.
And I had, I'd say the first time, three to four different experiences out there,
the very first go-round, which were, from my standpoint, I was amazed by it,
because I didn't really know what to expect.
I'd gone through his footage and tried to do the human thing of debunking and trying to find as much stuff on Google that I could.
And, you know, all I could find really was a lot of conjecture.
And there wasn't a lot of real, okay, how did he actually get this footage?
There was a lot of weird accusations of like robotics and these Muppets.
And I was more less, you know, I don't really see that.
So I wanted to get to know Todd as a person.
And then I also wanted to see what evidence he had and go out into the woods with him and have, you know, be open-minded and have an experience.
And if anything, it's in the British Columbia, Canada.
So it was a beautiful area.
You know, to me, getting down the woods is, I like to get out.
I love the fresh air.
I love the country.
So even if it was going to produce nothing, I was going to be happy with it from my side.
standpoint. But it produced something and it keeps producing things for me. I'd say it was
a second day there. We didn't get there until about 9 o'clock at night and it was dark outside.
And I didn't, again, I didn't know what to expect. It's a good four hours out into the mountains.
It's really is remote there. There's no cell phone coverage. There's no power. There's no
anything. It's basically in a mountain range and the space in between radium. And if you want to
give it like a map view between radium hot springs and like damp and there's a river that goes down the middle there and if you get up high enough you can see both mountain ranges so you know that next day we were out and he was showing us basically started with footprints like i can't remember the exact time frame but these bigfoot had left where there's like this hill probably 75 to 100 yards away from his main base camp and they're
had left these
I can't remember the exact length
but they were anywhere from
probably 16 inches, 18 inches long
footprints that were going up
the
basically the
it's a bounce back moss
going up this hill
so eventually those footprints
went away but they were pretty
interesting to look at from the first time
or that had never been and actually seen a big foot
footprint it was pretty convincing
so they let him up this
hill, like I said, I can't remember the exact time frame, six months to a year in the, and somewhere in there.
So he had started putting his gifting apples up on this kind of this elevated hill and would climb this tree,
put him about anywhere from 12 to 15 feet in the air, anywhere from four apples to 15 apples at a time, right?
So he was showing us this area and I got on his shoulders and Todd's about six foot three.
And he's a strong guy and he prides himself and trying to be fit.
So I got on his shoulders and put all these apples up and he was just showing the lay of the land.
And he said, well, I usually will make a call when I put the apple gifting out and he was going through his theories about these calls.
And he was saying he didn't really think they're like wood knocks.
he thought they were more of a rock knock
because he just didn't see how you could produce
such a large sound with a wood on wood.
And some of his stuff has remained true
and some of his opinions have changed.
It could be a rock knock from his opinion now
or it could be them making the sound with their mouth,
like a large click with their tongue.
I wouldn't really know how they did it,
but that's the secondary stance that I think he takes now.
So he basically, he asked Craig the guy I was with
to pick up a rock.
and hit this gifting tree with it.
And so he said, hit it as hard as you can.
It's going to hurt your hand.
It'll make a large sound.
And we'll wait for a response, right?
So Craig picks up the rock about the side of his hand,
because it's the Rocky Mountain.
So there's just some random rocks laying here and there.
And he picked it up and hits it.
And we're sitting there waiting for about 30 to 40 seconds.
And we get this huge response back.
And it's about 11, somewhere between 11, 11, 30 a.m.
in the morning mountain time.
And we make a response,
and the response we get back is like four to five times louder.
If I could have recorded it, I could have told you.
It was just so booming.
Like, I couldn't understand how something could make such a large sound.
And I could tell directionally which way it came from.
It was northwest of the main campsite on the other side of his camping trailer.
And it was just like, what?
Seriously, we're already getting interactions here?
That was amazing with it, to be honest.
Post that, we did go and try to, like, whenever we hear sounds and whenever he hear sounds,
he tried to look for evidence of that sound.
We waited a little bit because we wanted to give them space,
where we did end up going and finding tracks that were going up the other side of this other ridge,
where that sound came from.
And then there was a rock that was dislodged from this kind of ridge.
I don't know if that's what made the sound,
but you could clearly see, like, a rock that was taken out of the ground in place,
about 15 feet higher.
And you can tell when you're out in the woods
that what looks fresh and what doesn't.
It looked fairly recent.
So it was pretty impressive to find that.
I think we did a video reenactment on his channel for it.
And this would have been like a time in 2021.
But yeah, that was like the first moment I was like,
maybe this is all legitimate.
I still didn't really know Todd that well.
But he was, all the stuff he was showing me was really impressive.
me and and if you just have to go out there that there's not people running out in the woods making
sounds there it's just so remote and it's not feasible it's like 100% not feasible for him to
have anyone out there so that's what started it going there but it was pretty memorable having
that first experience yeah that is quite a way to start out and from what I've heard it is
it's pretty hard to get to that area.
Like it takes a pretty extended period of time to get just to the research area.
Yeah, it takes about somewhere between three and a half to four hours from what you fly into,
which is Calgary, Alberta.
So it's still a distance to travel there and actually get there.
And it's pretty much way back country.
There's nobody there.
Gotcha.
probably going out on the equivalent of Forest Service roads at the end, stuff like that?
Yeah, there's an old Forest Service Road.
There's some old Forestry trails that we take back there that haven't been really logged in probably 80 years.
So you can still see some of the trails they made, but you can tell that they haven't been there for 75, 80 years.
They're real old.
And it's right on the cut line of a National Forest out there.
So you can tell where the old growth forest starts and the new growth where they cut 80 years ago starts because it just looks completely different when you pass that imaginary line.
You mentioned gifting the apples and those have been seen in the documentary as well.
Has he ever used anything else besides apples in a gifting situation?
I think he's tried other types of fruit.
And I think one of the expeditioners actually brought like a watermelon out there at one point like that.
And just put it out there on a stump.
The problem with it is that's a bear country.
So anything you put out there that can go bad or has a potential for a bear to get it or search it out.
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It's said everything happens for a reason,
But maybe everything happens for a Reese's.
Take noise-canceling headphones.
Do they block hearing to heighten taste?
Hmm.
That sound seems to show.
Everything happens for a recess.
It's kind of, it's a little dangerous and a little irresponsible.
So he really likes apples just because they stay good for a long time out there.
And he hasn't really had a lot of success in talking with him with other types of fruit.
I think he put out power bars with Survivor Man.
I think that was more Survivor Man doing than his.
But I think his gift of choice is apples just because of how long they stay.
It's easy to go out and replace them if a bird or a squirrel gets to them,
just pull them down, stick a canoeing up.
Sure.
You mentioned that there are also bears in the area.
What other predators do you guys have to be aware of while you're out in this remote area,
in addition potentially to Bigfoot.
It's brown bears, black bears, mountain lions, wolves.
Those are the main ones.
Really, it's the bears and the mountain lions that are the ones that we're more wary of.
Because most of the bears out there are very much wild, like they don't see a lot of humans.
Those are the ones that are, we try to stay away and make not a lot of scent and the way.
and the way he cooks mills is very smart as far as everything is pre-made and he burned it all in the fire.
He's very cognizant of being safe and having people safe out there because he's been through a couple different bears that have come up on him and had to take care of himself.
So he's very cognizant of that.
And there are just mountain lions out there.
The wolves are a little less dangerous just because most wolves won't.
They're not really interested in humans unless you try to feed them and then know.
That's not a good idea because then they will kill you.
So he's a bit of a wilderness expert tracker.
He's been out there and done it all for the last 20 years,
and he's really integrated into a bunch of different Indian tribes that he's worked with.
And his mentor was an Indian elder that taught him a whole lot of stuff about a whole lot of different things.
So he takes a lot of that knowledge base and tries to teach some of it.
And he's real into ecology and the plant.
and the things that grow there and what the bears would eat and where they'd go.
And he knows all about basically just how the animals move out there, the seasons.
And he uses that in the aspect of the sense of a big foot as well,
what they would eat, what they would track, what they would consume,
like what kind of prey they would do as far as honestly not being from the area.
It's really informative and good to learn about a bunch of that stuff
just because you don't really think through that all when you're armchair quarterback and Bigfoot, right?
So he cuts a lot of effort into it.
Absolutely.
There's a question that just came to mind.
You have those shots in Todd's documentary that everyone thinks about the shots where you see the face of the Sasquatch a few times, right?
And I myself have had an interview where gentlemen from Oregon, from the Willamette National Forest Area, actually he described what he saw as being a face that looked very similar to one of those faces that Todd had in his documentary.
Do you guys ever get contacts as well from people that have watched your documentary saying, I've also seen something that looks similar to that?
or is it kind of few and far between?
I'm just not getting people reach out to me
just because I'm getting more involved,
but Todd definitely has had people reach out to them
and say they've actually seen some of those big foot
or they've seen similar ones that look very similar
as far as facial features.
There's a couple of people that have reached out to him
and actually seen some of the big foot
that he's had on this documentary
and gave descriptions that,
unless you have seen this big foot that you wouldn't know otherwise.
So he's gone into some details about scarring and some other scars that some of these
big foot have on them.
And when people call him and say, hey, I think I saw your big foot, did it have this on his body?
And that's post-validation for him that they probably did see the same one that he did.
So he has stories like that.
And I have no reason not to believe him because to me, Todd's been nothing but
authentic and I've spent about, I think a total about 35 days out with him in the woods.
So I've gotten to know him and his family and how he operates and how his belief system and
his integrity.
And honestly, I would recommend anyone go out with him just so you can prove it to yourself
that he didn't hoax that footage because from my perspective, there is absolutely no way he could.
He just doesn't have the skill sets.
He doesn't have the will.
And he really does have a lot of integrity when it comes to this.
There's just no way he could affect any of that footage.
When you really start digging, finding out his life and what his background is
and how much effort it would be to hoax something like that,
it's just not his willhouse to do.
And that's just my opinion, my own investigation.
I'm not trying to persuade people.
I'm trying to tell people to do their own research
and try to look into it on their own because that was really what I was trying to do.
And that's the conclusion I've come to.
Absolutely.
And since we are on the topic, there is just an interesting question I have.
Why do you think that I've been in this topic for about five years?
Why is the topic of Todd and his work such a polarizing, it's so polarizing.
it's so polarizing to this community.
It feels like if you're pro-taud or anti-taught,
it just feels like it's almost like a civil war type thing.
From my perspective and what I know of some of the,
I don't know what you want to call them top people in the BFRO,
I think some of it is a bit of jealousy, to be fair.
I think there's, it's like a competition to them and they want to be the best
and they want to have all the data,
and they want to say that they're checking all the boxes off.
I think a lot of the people are really,
they're just there for a bit of the fame, right?
And I think there's a lot of good people out there, too,
that really want the discovery to happen.
But at the same time, they don't want Todd to be the one that did the discovery
just because he can be a big personality,
and he's real straightforward with his findings.
and like what he's seen.
And honestly, he's like, my hat's off to him
because what he did to get a lot of that footage,
like probably 99% of the people in the world
would never do.
They'd never go out into the wilderness by themselves
for weeks at a time and just have that level of fear.
And I think that's why some of it is so convincing to me.
And then a lot of these researchers,
they want to go out on a Saturday and sit around
kept fire and have a beer and they want Bigfoot to come to them, but that doesn't always work.
So that's just a small perspective.
I think there's lots of other reasons, but other than the fact that they just don't really want
to dig into the evidence fully, they want to make snap judgments and say, why it doesn't
look real to me, but they don't want to try to prove how it's not real or how can you recreate it.
I've never seen anyone recreated any of his footage in any form or fashion, really.
Like, no one's done it if it's so fake.
You really start thinking about stuff and it doesn't add up.
And I think vindication usually comes later in life with Bob Gedman.
I think most people, I'd say, 75% of the people probably now believe that his footage is real.
And 30 years ago, it's probably 15, 20%, right?
So I think it just takes time.
That is a very interesting.
myself personally I've talked to people on both sides there are interesting arguments on either
side I've never talked to Todd directly or at all so until maybe I get that chance I'll be
neutral on it as I like to talk to people directly you also have other times that you've had
interactions were there times when you were up in that area where you believe you got maybe a
little bit closer to a bigfoot or things got maybe more a bit intense in the interactions.
Yeah, for sure. I can think of three because I've been out there with him. I call it four and a half
times because just one of those times I was really out there just to put equipment up and do
some architectural work. But just to touch on it somewhat lightly, like that first expedition,
We did like one of the experiences I had as we did.
We went up this north logging trail about a mile in the dark.
And again, these are things that most people don't do.
And the guy that we were with was a bit of adrenaline junkie.
So he was like, man, let's go in the woods at night and let's wear some headlamps and let's ride these.
We had these e-bikes.
And we rode these e-bikes out about a mile up this road.
And most 10.30 at night, mountain time.
and the wildlife they are not used to silent bikes.
And it's a little worrisome that we're going to roll up on something
and didn't know what we are.
But we ended up stopping at this opening, I would call it,
where there's a tree line that opens up and you can see the mountains
and you can see another ridge-coach line.
And Todd did a call from the left side and to the right side,
and we stood and waited it for about 60 seconds to see.
see if we get a response back.
And the response that we got back was it sounded some giant being,
like pushing this tree over and throwing it.
It was so loud and it sounded half a mile away.
And I just remember that moment and thought to myself,
oh my God, there's nobody out here.
Why would, and there was no wind, there's no anything.
Why would anyone in the right mind think that sound came from a human
in the middle of these mountain woods
because it was just crazy to me.
And it was further vindication on that first one,
but we, it's fortuitous,
but we think we found that tree
that this big foot went up.
And I don't know if it was one or two,
but it wasn't even a dead tree.
It's probably a tall somewhere between 40 and 50 foot tree
that, and you can see footprints going up this hillside
and something going up it and just ripping this tree.
about 12 to 15 feet from the top and throwing it through another one.
And you can see the evidence all over the ground.
And you could tell that this tree actually flew through another tree.
There's limbs hanging everywhere.
And then you could see it on the ground.
And so there was just all this really, I'd call it,
circumstantial damning evidence that kind of pointed us to,
that was the response we got back of, hey, you're going to make sounds,
we're going to make bigger sound.
So that was honestly, I know I can't prove that,
but the evidence was all there.
To me, I'm 98% sure that's what it was.
There's always room for something else,
but I'm 98% sure that's what happened, right?
So that was the bigger thing that happened.
But later on in another expedition,
I had a few instances to where I'd say the major other two was one,
when we, me and two other expeditioners were following a sound that was going towards more of the old growth forest.
And I kept making sounds, quick sounds with my tongue, because I can't really whistle.
I don't really pride myself in whistling, and I never been able to do it well.
So I just went with my tongue a lot, right?
Because that to me, that's my form of communication.
And I just kept getting these responses back from it sounded like a tree, just knocking.
Like, I'd do it twice.
They would do it twice.
I'd do it three times.
It would do it three times.
And the guys that I was with, they were two brothers, and they would whistle.
And then they'd get like a single response back.
And we followed the sound all the way to this.
I caught like a grandpa tree out in this old growth forest.
It's probably two to three feet in diameter and 100 feet tall.
The branches didn't really start until about 60, 70 feet up.
So it was just this humongous tree and there was nothing rubbing against it.
I made a kind of a custom body cam for this expedition because I wanted to get more footage.
And I actually did get a lot of this back and forth sound on my body cam.
But the body cam was really meant for visual more than audio.
So you can't really, you can hear it, but it's not as good as it is in real life.
but we followed this tree
and it just kept knocking at us
and I'm sitting below this tree with these other guys
and he says it's got to be some kind of weird knot
in this tree somewhere at Paul
and it's like expanding and making this weird sound
and we're debating it
and trying to go through justification
and while we're below this tree
it just would be talking
and it would just go boom and knock at us right?
I'm just like, I don't understand this.
I've never heard a tree knock at me before.
And there was, we searched the area while we're hearing this, and there's some juvenile tracks around the area.
There was one big 15-inch track that was pretty close to that tree.
And it was 4 o'clock in the afternoon.
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It's said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a recess.
Take noise-canceling headphones.
Do they block hearing to heightened taste?
Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a recess.
It's about 80, somewhere between probably 80 to 85 degrees because it was in July.
And we're just sitting there. What do we do? Because Todd had actually left to go get gas because he'd used to get gas.
So we could go up to this northern section about 30 miles north. And he didn't get gas on the way up there because there was a hail kind of storm.
And it disoriented us a little bit. It actually left just to go get gas.
and the closest gas station there is about 60 miles away.
So we were exploring our own and he wasn't there.
And we're like, man, I don't know.
I don't know what to do with this.
He was sitting under this tree.
I was to the point to where I was like,
I wish I could climb this tree, but there's just no way.
So we ended up leaving and as we're leaving,
but knocked a final knock at us and we didn't hear it again.
And we said, okay, we'll look up.
Maybe that's some weird animal.
Maybe that's a weird tree temperature.
Maybe it's like the other guy said.
His name was Dan.
Maybe it was the tree expanding and making the word sound.
I really don't know.
So when Todd ends up, we getting back,
and I found another track on the way out in a kind of a different area.
And I was telling him about this experiencing.
What do you guys, do you think trees knock at you?
And he was going through the motions with us.
There's no way.
I've never, I've been in the woods for 20, 30 years,
and the tree has never knocked at me continuously.
and made sounds at me.
So from his standpoint, like we treat or, he said we treat a probably more of a younger
Sasquatch or we, he was there just messing with us.
He didn't really treat it like he was just sitting up there messing with us.
And the other guys I went there trying to do there because we had, eventually we got Starlink
out there.
So they were trying to get back to in reach of this internet service that we have out there
and do some research and see if they could find that reason for it, and they couldn't find
a reason.
Trust me, they did plenty of searches trying to figure it out, and we'd say to the conclusion
that they were setting up that tree that we just couldn't see, and it was knocking at us
and just messing with us.
Hindsight's 2020.
I wish I would have stayed under there and done more with it, but when you think back at it,
it's pretty amazing.
I do have evidence of it, and I do have the footprint pictures, and I do have the sound
pictures from it. So that was a big ordeal. And then the next thing that really, I'd say it's
one of those things that you can't really get out of your head and that kind of changes,
changes you a bit going through it. So this was in the same expedition. I think it was July
of 2023. So I, the whole time I was out there, I just wanted to get off by myself and spend a
night in the woods of my own to see if I could have some decent, better interaction, maybe
that being more secluded would draw up some more, just be more open to me.
And every time I try to get out and do that, like it was like rain that night or I'd have
some reason not to do it.
So it's annoying me.
So it's like, okay, fine.
I'm just going to sleep outside pretty close to the campfire and just be out there alone.
So that's what I did.
I couldn't tell you what day of the week it is off top of my head, but I stayed out of
There wasn't a rainy night.
It was a starry night.
Decent weather.
It gets cold out there at night, but it wasn't horrible.
It's probably in the 50s in the middle of the summer.
So I ended up staying out there and it was probably 1.30 and the guy I was listening, Dan,
he wanted to just keep me company as for as long as he, for as long as he could.
He liked the little wood and he ended up falling asleep in the chair, just the camping chair about five feet from me.
me. And I was sleeping by the fire and I was standing out of it all night. And I noticed that he was
there still and I looked at my phone and it was probably about 3.45. And I was like how he didn't
even realize he fell asleep out here. I didn't want to bother him. So I just let him be. And then
about 4.30, he gets up. I see him get up. He throws a log on the fire, says good night and he goes
inside. Later on, he tells me that the reason he got up, and this wasn't evident to me at the time,
was he was hearing sounds behind him, and it was freaking him out, right? So I was like, thanks for
telling me, right? So I'm sitting there by the fire at 430, and I'm like, okay, I'm going to try
to get some sleep, and it's really hard to sleep out there. It's pitch black, and you really only
see the light of the fire. Everything around you was pitch black within 10 feet of the fire,
and there's no sound up there.
It's so eerie.
There's no bug sounds, no sounds at all.
It's just dead quiet.
And so I don't know what time the sun comes up
because I'm not used to mountain time.
I'm used to central time because I'm from Texas.
And I'm sitting there, and I don't know what time it is,
but I crack my eyes open and I can see some blue haze
and I can tell it's about to be dawn.
And I later on figure out that the sun comes out.
pretty early in the mountain time in July there. It's about 5.15 it comes up in the morning.
So I didn't know that at a time. I was giving you a point of reference. But I'm sitting there
and it's getting blue and I'm around the fire pit. It's like this picture of being like a donut
around it where it's a hill on one side a little bit, where I'm sleeping towards with my back
to this little hill, almost like a ditch. And I'm laying on my right side looking at the fire.
and I'm like, okay, the sun's coming up, probably nothing going to happen.
I can at least sleep for two or three hours and get some rest.
And as I'm saying it in my head and I'm rolling over,
I just put my hands on my chest and roll over to my left
where I'm going to angle on this donut hill.
What's how I would describe it?
And all I hear is two foot falls, jump backwards.
From my perspective, it was two feet, two to three feet from my head,
and it jumped backwards because I scared it because it didn't.
didn't know I was going to move and just hear two feet land on the ground beside me.
And I'm in my head, my heart's beating super fast and I'm at a total disadvantage.
And I can't really turn that direction without being super obvious because I'm slanted.
And I'm trying to work up the courage to open my left eye because my right eye is cocked open.
But I, unless you're in that moment, you don't really know what you're going to do because
something's walking beside you and it's not supposed to be there.
And you don't really know because you've never seen it or heard it before,
like what, how they're going to react or if they see you noticing that you're awake,
like what are they going to do?
So I'm running through those scenarios in my head.
And so finally I get my heart rate to go down a little bit and I'm like,
hey, I'm just going to make sure that's what I heard.
Probably about a minute to a half.
I get my heart read down and I'm like, I'm just going to listen.
and close my eyes and act like I'm asleep.
And I just, I slowly hear, in my opinion,
this big foot walking, like right foot, left foot around my head.
And I'm just like, oh, man, it is here.
I'm not dreaming.
And I'm trying to get the courage because this is why I'm there for to see this,
to look in that direction.
But at the same time, it's just so daunting because you're, like I said,
you're on your back.
I don't have a weapon really.
I'm at a disadvantage if I look, if I turn quickly and look and there's this thing looking at me,
is they going to get mad?
Is it going to kick me?
Like, I'm just trying to run through the scenarios the whole time and trying to slow my heart rate.
And I finally get the courage.
I'm like, okay, I'm going to roll towards the fire and do a quick look over my shoulder and act like I'm still sleep.
So it's not, so it can have some, like, indication that I'm awake.
So that's what I did.
I rolled and looked over my shoulder.
shoulder and of course there's nothing there like it's completely gone I have no idea where it went
like it came in like a ninja and the only reason I heard it was because I didn't know it was going to turn
and it left like a ninja and it didn't leave anything in the substrate around me whatsoever but
I can still hear those footsteps walking around me and I know for 100% fact that there was no one else
out there but me and in my opinion this big foot because everyone else was in the trailer and I
could hear them snoring because they all snore like a symphony in there.
So that was the start of why I started to put my project together because if we actually
did have cameras and base cab and we did have more technology out there, I think we would have
definitely caught this big put staring at me sleeping.
That's an incredible experience to live through.
You weren't in the tent.
You were out in the open, correct?
Correct.
I just had a sleeping bag on, a pillow below me.
That was it.
Oh, man.
Wow.
I can't imagine living through that.
And it's just, it's one of those weird things where no footprints as well.
But stranger things have happened that I've had told to me and that I've read in different resources as well.
After you lived through that, did that set you like you were full steam ahead or were you a little bit more apprehend?
of everything going on, having lived through that?
It just drove me further, like, into the subject because, you know, I still hadn't seen one,
and I still want to, even though that one was a very, I think I got what I needed in that one,
and I still really want to see that live Bigfoot have that, have these Sasquatch come up on me
and have more of a visual.
So it just kept, drove me forward.
And Todd started talking to me about,
maybe we should put cameras in base camp.
Like maybe they do come around here all the time.
I know there's a stigma around cameras and everything else.
But from his perspective, he's been out there at that site for,
at this point, it's probably been about 15 years.
So if they don't really trust them by now,
then they're never going to trust him.
So he was like, let's just do it and see what kind of like,
activity we get, let's see what we can draw up, let's see if the stigma is correct or incorrect
because you hear nothing but oh, they don't like cameras, they don't like cameras.
But most people don't have this habituation area that they're in either.
And I think a lot of people put up cameras and these trail can cameras trying to be
deceptive and like really sneaky.
and I think I don't I can say that if I was big foot and someone was trying to be sneaky and deceptive
I probably wouldn't care for it much either but so that's my thought I to put these cameras up
with the antenna of hey we're trying to further the discovery not be like super sneaky with it
like the ones we put up are super obvious they're like clearly visible they're sitting there
they actually it's two different angles and if they really wanted to I gave them a way to not
be on camera, right? It's not this triangulation of cameras. It's two cameras, one going south,
one kind of going north, and they could actually get behind them if they wanted to, right?
So that was my thought, is to go in that direction. Todd kind of approached and said,
maybe we should. And I said, let me try to figure that out because I'd like to put some
contribution to this and try to do this. So this was around November, I started putting the idea
together, hey, maybe we should really think this through and bring this to everyone that really
wants to see his area and wants to get into the research and wants to possibly see a big foot on
camera. Like, how can I actually get this to be like something that's better than just this
closed-loop system that only me and Todd can see you? I want to bring it to everyone so everyone that's
really into the subject can have the opportunity to go out into the woods and see this
area and just discover big foot for themselves in a sense, right? So that was my thought,
and I can get into more of this project that I've been working on since last November
and all that if you want me to. Yeah, I would love that because it is an incredible project.
You're really, if you think about it, you're the engineer that came up with the project,
but also developer that put it all together, correct? Yeah, I'm like 90. I'd say,
97% into it and Todd's.
Okay, let's say 90, 95% because I've been leaning on him a bit for some of the power,
but I basically designed it all and built it all and developed the app and put the whole system together
and put all the right equipment together.
It's been a level.
It's been a journey of love.
How's that?
Absolutely.
I think it would be good to start with what's the elevator pitch for this project that.
you have set up because it's a pretty incredible project that you set up there yeah so it's i'd say
elevator pitches it's the end-all game is i'd love for it to be like never-ending 24 by 7 right so i've been
having some problems with power systems to where it's been up and down and i've had some forest
fire so some things are a little bit out of my control but it's i basically have two really high-end
their 4K cameras, their night vision, they're these huge tilt pan zoom cameras that are,
one's actually about 15 feet up a tree, the other one's on the side of one of the campers out there.
But it's the ability to watch that live seed and from two different feeds whenever you want to this logging and look,
especially when we have expeditions out there.
there seems to be a lot more activity and post-expedition.
And I really want to see what happened out there, one of the ones there, right?
Because you don't really know.
I don't know what's going on.
We've never really recorded.
And that's what I've been doing is building out everything that would need to be there
to continuously record that entire environment off those two feeds.
And then how to save those terabytes of data that get propagated.
every month, like how to retrieve it, how to analyze it, how to look at the data, how to look at the
sound waves, how to look at the, basically, the movement, any amplitude over a thousand.
That's where I'm starting.
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They say everything happens for a reason, but I suspect everything happens for a recess.
Like this commercial break, did you need 15 seconds away from music, or 15 seconds to eat a wreaths?
Perhaps it's true.
Everything happens for a recess.
So, and inside the app itself, you have the ability to watch.
And then if you actually think or think you see something or think you hear something,
you can hit a button and basically say what time it is based on the camera time
and what do you see and submit it?
And it goes to a real-time database and all that gets collected and reviewed.
And eventually it's all going to be very much.
I call it just because I'm an engineer, like event-driven architecture to where everything is as close to real-time as possible to where, let's say we're having activity out there.
Someone that has this app would basically get a notification saying, hey, someone just saw a Bigfoot five minutes ago or we're hearing noise, we're hearing how we're at a tree break, you know,
something to where people could actually look in live.
And the more eyes on it, the better from my standpoint,
because I want people to collaborate all the video stuff that people report
and all the stuff that I find.
I'm trying to build this section inside the application to where I have been uploading videos to it.
But eventually it'll just be in the app and not outside.
I'm trying to do a little bit of marketing and just put it on Facebook and Instagram
and a little bit of YouTube, but eventually it would all be this user-based community that's
doing our reportings and sightings.
And I really want it to, this is like the proof of concept.
I really love for it to grow and to build this system in other locations and work with
other researchers and have this camera.
I'd call it data analysis points in different areas and different locations in North America,
wherever we can collaborate with people and build this.
that work out to where you could watch, I don't know, from anywhere from 10 to 30 different
feeds at once. And so that's my thought and that's where I'm starting with these two.
And I'm building the architecture on the back end to where it's not just user reported.
Like I'm trying to be new age with it and tech savvy with it to where I'm building automation
around sounds and movement
to where it basically
sits it all out there for
us, the people that are going to be
involved in the app, and that where
when it reports like amplitude
uprisings and movements, even if it's like a deer
or an owl, right?
Because you can't really know until you watch it.
That's a hard part. That's why we need collaboration
because there's only so many hours a day that I have.
every view like 3.5 terabytes of footage every month.
So that's my thought.
I'm building that out right now.
It's a little bit manual automation,
but I have found a whole lot of interesting things
that have happened, interesting sounds,
interesting movements, I can say that.
And then it's a labor of love
because I'm pretty much the only developer on this.
I'm going to eventually have it to where it's
where you can hit a button and request certain
footage and just review it. Like whenever you want to, it'll give you a hard link and you can go
review it. But that's the important thing to me is that there's before footage, there's after
footage, there's so much analysis you can do that I haven't found any research you're really
trying to attack it in that sense. But like I said, a lot of the hard part is trying to get the power
because I'm a reliability in there and it makes me mad when the power goes down because of solar is
not better enough. Right now, we're doing a solar and we just got this really nice remote generator
in that we can turn on remotely from 1,200 miles away. So we're really trying to think outside
the box on some of this power stuff and get it to where it's really reliable. It's just a
work in progress. But yeah, that's it in a nutshell. It's, you know, you make an account,
you do it. If you don't like it, I built it all with Apple and Google. It's called
Discovering Bigfoot. So it's on both of those platforms and you know, there's just a
subscription fee and I can tell you the fee is nowhere near what it costs me to actually
build this all out. Really, it's just to recover the monthly cost because it does cost a lot
monthly to run all this architecture. The whole thing is power as far as the internet goes by
Starlink and we really had to up to bandwidth just to take the upload speed. The Starlink itself
is really pricey to be honest. I know a lot of people use it now, but we're doing like the highest
tier bandwidth possible so I can have the footage uploaded. It's such a fascinating project and I
think that no matter what side you're on with what's going on up there in 20, 30 years when we look back to
this time period, people are going to say it's one of the most, just craziest projects that
were done regarding Bigfoot in that time period of the 2020s, right? It's just, it's not just like
you're having a cellular game cam, but you're integrating an app, so you're integrating people
being able to access it. And it's just, it is, it's so cool. I used to be a software engineer as well.
so I get the way you think a little bit.
At least I like to think so.
I probably do.
Have you ever thought of is it written down how you set this up?
Is the software all that good stuff available in a GitHub repository anywhere?
Have you thought of that?
Is it even a thing where you may not want to have it all out there for other people to utilize?
I think eventually I'll make it just open source.
Yeah, yeah.
I do use GitLab to do all the code repo.
It's private GitLab, but I do use GitLab to do all the coding.
And then a lot of the architecture on the back end, it is proprietary a little bit because I didn't want to use.
You can think of it as a cloud DVR but not built with DVR software.
Because I looked into a lot of that stuff and it just, I didn't want to mess with it because
it looked like a pain in my butt.
Like, I wanted to do it simplistic,
and I wanted to use cloud providers
to do a lot of the back-in architecture, right?
I do have it all diagramed out,
and I have it written out,
and I'm hoping that if I get hit by a bus,
someone could read it all and take over.
I know it might take a little bit
to back-engineer some stuff that's not working,
but I'm hoping something happened to me,
someone could take over it.
I do have a...
That's fun brother that isn't the same kind of skill.
is me, so I'm sure he could catch on and figure it out. But it's not this meta thing or
I'm not a super smart Google engineer. I'm just the regular guy that has an engineering background
and I really enjoy learning new things and enjoy automation and Python and writing serverless
applications and functions and observability. I do a lot of observability when it comes to
my job and building reliable things to actually measure. So it just works hand to
handle a big foot in my opinion because we're trying to measure how to find this being
and we need data and this is like step one, let's collect data, right? I think there's a lot
of data out there but most people are keeping it to themselves or it may be not as
complicated is what I'm trying to do.
But it's
for people, right? I want people to get involved
and help the discovery and
people that can't get out in the woods and
we're really into the topic.
This is like step one towards that in my
opinion. So I'm open
to criticism
and collaboration and hey
do this. If we're not doing it
this way or doing it this way, like
I'm always listening to the podcast
trying to figure out like a good
way to interact and put something up. I'm always trying to find a new end that would maybe
draw them in like a puzzle or the color blue or tennis balls. Every time I go out there, I do something
different. It's fun to me and I really enjoy doing it and I'm really hoping that, you know,
some guy named Don Doe, Bill logs into this app. He's Bigfoot records it and we'll name
it after Bill, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm not about the credit.
I just want the discovery.
Oh, I'm right there with you, dude.
Have you thought of maybe, and this is easier said than done, but integrating AI in a way so that there doesn't have to be an actual human individual that sees something on camera, but there could just be a notification.
Hey, we saw something that is really big and someone should probably take a look at it.
So I have a lot of Lambda service functions that I wrote that processes the video now.
And this is within the last 30 days that I try to do some of this.
And just because it's been such a hard time to try to parse through the data.
I'll just put it that way.
So it's basically using like computer vision and a lot of data science tool, like Python modules.
So it's like a mini, it's not quite AI.
Like I haven't taught a model to learn.
It's not like an LLM or anything,
but there's other services I could pump it into
that are out there that are available,
that I could actually do that.
I'm just trying to be a little bit custom with it first
because what I've built already,
it already finds all the amplitudes.
it finds, eventually I'm going to have it to where it actually finds certain types of sound waves.
And it already, I have some, I posted some stuff to Reddit where I said using tech to find Bigfoot.
And I have this, the square boxes show up on the screen.
It shows this owl come into picture and fly by.
And it shows where it's moving before it goes there.
So it's, I have that in the background.
It's just not fully automated, like what you're saying.
So that's why I'm trying to get to that.
But at the same time, I'm one person.
And at the same time, like, I pay a lot for the softwares that are out there
that are somewhat open source, somewhat not.
And I can try to build some of that modeling on my own.
It just takes time.
So I'm open to people that are really good engineers
that would want to help do some of it.
Because the more the merrier, from my opinion,
Like if people are really good at doing some of the AI stuff,
because I'm still in my infancy on some of those aspects.
So what I'm hearing is if listeners are software developers
or guys that are involved with crazy AI stuff to reach out to Logan,
we'll probably get that info at the end of the episode.
And maybe there could be a whole little hackathon that goes on
and really get this nail down.
Who knows?
Yeah, I can give you endpoints that points to hours of footage,
and you can help me to do some development work on how to get it more suited and really crisp.
Because when the trees blow hard, that could, you really have to train it to where you know.
There's wind up there sometimes, and you'll see the trees moving left to right,
and that kind of gives a false positive.
So you really have to train it for certain movements.
And it's possible.
It's not unachievable.
It just takes time.
It's fascinating.
It's my dream that someday your system is running in Area X
or somewhere nearby in southeast Oklahoma or in northern California or Oregon.
And just all over the place.
And it's the thing that really locks it in.
And I know there's probably other stuff to get done before that.
But man, that would just be so cool, Logan, if that ended up being the case.
I would love that.
I'd love to just have two or three more people to collaborate with and put a system up where we had more.
This has only been live basically since middle of July.
So it hasn't really been that much up.
that much data yet. So I don't know. I think it has a lot of unlimited application possibilities
from my standpoint. That's why I've been really trying to get it more reliable. It really does
irk me that the system goes down sometimes. It has been going down because the wattage from
these 500,000 watt solar panels do not produce enough energy for whatever reason. Like it is so
mind-boggling the amount of work we put in to try to get solar to be more stable when it is
clearly not what it's cracked up to be in my opinion it sounds like definite work in progress
but it also sounds like it's worth all the the potential frustration that goes into it for
sure Logan it's been a real pleasure chatting with you tonight did you have any
final closing thoughts slash remind people how they can get in touch with you if they're an engineer
or how they can also get set up with this application to keep an eye on what's going up in Todd's area.
So that's called just discovering Bigfoot. You can find it on Apple Store, the Google Store. It's out there.
I try to make it pretty simple. So if people, I try to make it to where it's not a lot of people.
You have to really verify you have a real email and stuff because I don't need malicious people out there just goofing around.
But other than that, it's out there.
And then you want to get a hold of me.
My contact email is on the app itself, but it's contact at bigfoot live stream.org.
You can just send me an email.
I do have a Facebook page and the Instagram page where I'm putting videos out there.
So you can find me, again, there's links on the app to that, so you don't have to search
all up.
It's all on the app.
But I'm out there in the social media world, even though.
That's not really my forte, right?
It's really more to let people know I'm alive than anything.
I'm a lot better marketer than I am.
Let's put it that way.
But yeah, that's how you get a hold of me.
And I'm usually, if you do need to get a hold of Todd or something, I talk to him all the time.
And I do have some links to some of his YouTube.
stuff inside the app as well.
The backbone of the project
because this is really
his evituation side.
Fantastic. Thank you so much
for coming on the show again
and it'll be extremely interesting
to check back in with you
maybe in a few years
to see where this project has gone.
But thank you.
Yep.
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