Bigfoot Society - Revenge of the Sierra Sasquatch!

Episode Date: June 15, 2024

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, Jeremiah interviews Jordan, a listener from California with a compelling Bigfoot encounter. Jordan, an avid hunter, describes his unexpected sighting of a large, bi...pedal creature while preparing for a hunting trip near South Lake Tahoe. The creature, initially presumed to be a bear, moved with uncanny efficiency and eventually disappeared as the sun rose. Jordan also shares eerie experiences from subsequent hunting trips, including strange noises and the occasional sight of government vehicles in remote areas. Intriguingly, Jordan reveals a potential connection he has to a famous piece of Bigfoot history in a way you won't be expecting. Don't miss this episode!Share your Bigfoot encounter with me here: bigfootsociety@gmail.com🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: bigfootsociety@gmail.com

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Starting point is 00:02:42 and take it from here, my friend. Sounds good. Well, first off, Jeremiah, just wanted to say thank you for giving a platform for people to get experiences, off their chest, you know, and just discuss these things. But to start off, I'm 37 years old. I have been hunting with my dad since about the age 10 or 11. Kind of always been a little tag along at first. And then I got into it for myself about a decade ago. Had an old boss that actually gave me one of his hand-me-down compound bows,
Starting point is 00:03:25 and I just fell in love with that aspect of hunting. not really so much rifle hunting, but just fell in love with being in the outdoors. I like hiking, hunting, you know, of course, camping, everything that goes along with it, you know, and just getting an appreciation of nature. So basically, my dad and me have been hunting at the same spot for about the last 10 or 11 years in northern California. and it is about, I want to say about an hour, an hour and a half from South Lake Tahoe, which a lot of people will be familiar with that area.
Starting point is 00:04:09 And we always would go up a day or two before opening weekend of our tree season, get set up, get camp set up, get the dogs familiar with all the areas, you know, basically just the normal prepping, getting food ready, you know, just ready to go for the opening weekend. So about 5.15 in the morning is kind of when we step out of the trailer that we camp in. And we kind of do our usual just loading our packs up, checking, you know, to make sure we have water. Always got to make sure you have a little toilet paper in your hunting pack just in case. Also, you know, my dad, he will, he will, uh, he will.
Starting point is 00:04:55 was accompanying me on this trip, and as he usually does. And we started loading our gear up, I'd have to say 515, like I was saying. And then I always have a habit of once I get all my camo gear on, once I make sure my backpack is stocked up for the day, you know, general, just your supplies, maybe a couple snacks, a couple granola bars, things like that. I ended up strapping on my vinyl harness setup, which I carry a little range finder that connects on a retractable cord to that. So at that point, sun is starting to come up. It's got that kind of hazy golden hour, so to speak. Things are starting to come clear. well, I have a ritual of always checking my binoculars, making sure they're adjusted,
Starting point is 00:05:59 making sure I can see things clearly, check my rangefinder, make sure the battery is charged up on that, you know, and I'll generally go through, I'm very routine oriented, so I'll go through sort of a checklist, make sure binoculars set up, range finder is good to go, battery-wise, it's good to go. And the campsite that we stay at, it has lakes. And there's a lower campsite, and then there's a road that cuts in between both lakes, and then there's an upper campsite, which is what we prefer to stay at. But this time, just because it's being getting busier or busier,
Starting point is 00:06:42 we were staying at the lower campsite, which, I mean, they're all great views. weather's beautiful up there. You know, it's gorgeous where we camp at. So in the meantime, I'm talking to my dad. I got my vinyl harness set up on. I'm just checking stuff because we have seen deer actually above the second campsite. Sometimes in the morning moving. For anybody who's not familiar with deer hunting, right, when the sun comes up, early
Starting point is 00:07:15 morning is usually when they move. Middle of the day, once it gets warmer. They're bedded down in thickets, brush. It's very hard to track them. And at evening they come out. So I'm doing my normal scanning the hillside above the upper campsite. When I start seeing movement coming out of a thicket of trees headed towards a lake or the lakes that we stay at. So, you know, I'm kind of chatting it up with my dad.
Starting point is 00:07:49 we're kind of joking. I think he's drinking a little bit of coffee, and I'm eating cereal out of a little styrofoam cup or styrofoam bowl. And I started seeing what at first I thought was possibly a bear walking towards the lakes. It continued to travel towards the lakes, but the odd thing was, is it was clearly walking bipedally upright. And it was also making, I could see it stepping over, falling trees, branches.
Starting point is 00:08:31 It just moved very efficiently and was very comfortable walking upright. So it kept heading towards the lakes, and I was looking at it with the naked eye and then switching in between looking back at it with binoculars. I kept watching it heading closer and closer to the lakes, and the sun is still rising. We're kind of getting a late start on the hunt that morning, so I kind of pushed it out as far as I could,
Starting point is 00:09:03 but eventually we had to take off, you know. So I kept watching it as long as we could. It kept heading in the same direction from the hill, from the mountain kind of hill above the lakes headed towards the lakes well
Starting point is 00:09:20 as the sun's coming up and we're thinking we got to get in the vehicle head to the trailhead and take off from there to go hunting for the AM the sun keeps coming up and
Starting point is 00:09:33 as it should have been more visible this upright walking what we assumed was a bear maybe a hiker, maybe somebody wearing all black, just disappeared. So it was about a, I'd say a good one to three minutes that I was watching it. And I just noticed that it was walking really, really well, and it was also going upright. And it was also going through some really thick brush that was, I'm guessing, 200 to 300 to 3.
Starting point is 00:10:13 hundred yards away from where we were at the campsite. Whatever it was was very big. And it, you know, the weird thing is, is when you see something like that, your brain goes through a checklist of what it has to be or things that you know that it has to be. So it went from the discussion that we were having was, oh, it's a bear that has an injured front paw that's possibly adapted really well walking up right to know there must be a guy out here that's really tall
Starting point is 00:10:51 wearing all black has a black hoodie on and he's also walking through thick brush buck brush headed to these lakes which also didn't really make much sense at the time so
Starting point is 00:11:07 as the morning went on we kind of discussed it a little bit and at that point you know, we were just focusing on the hunt that we had in front of us and hoping we get some action. And as time went on that day, nothing weird happened the rest of the day, you know, business as usual. We went through our hunts, didn't see anything, but we did get one heck of a workout in. So, you know, in the afternoon, I found myself thinking about it again. And, you know, thinking, okay, maybe it was just a hiker.
Starting point is 00:11:47 Maybe, you know, you see, we've seen weird things while hunting. You know, people that seemed out of place in that area or people walking through the middle of thickets of trees. They weren't wearing hiking gear. Just different things. You know, I had to go through a checklist multiple times thinking what exactly it was that we saw. Well, a few days passes, and generally we stay about four to five days up there on opening weekend, which is the third weekend of August here in California for archery season. And my curiosity got the better of me.
Starting point is 00:12:29 So later on, in that same trip, we end up hiking and hunting the hills and mountains directly above the upper campsite. I go, I end up deciding to walk over to that area of thickets and brush where we saw something a few mornings before. And I go up to that area and I notice that it is extremely tall. So the brush that I saw from a distance that didn't seem that tall ended up being at least my guess six to seven feet at the top. Well, whatever was walking through that area happened to be at least a shoulder and head length above that brush. So, you know, we thought that was really odd. And then, you know, we made jokes that, oh, it had to be a retired NBA basketball player was wearing all black, had to have a black hoodie on, and he decided to walk to the lakes from wherever he was camping.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Well, after I came to think about it more and more, it just made no sense that somebody would walk through thick brush that contains storms and stuff going to this lake. When there's openings on both sides of it, there's areas that people have walked to those lakes, and it just, nothing was adding up, really, about it. And to add another thing about it, you could clearly see what we saw lifting its legs, stepping over small brush, branches, possibly.
Starting point is 00:14:17 You know, it had such a effortless walk down the side of a fairly steep terrain, which also made me think that it wasn't a hiker and definitely was not anybody, human walking down there. So another weird thing about all this is when it should have been visible. When the sun was coming up right before we took off from camp, it had just completely disappeared, like as if the event had never happened, which was pretty crazy to think about. And to this day, still kind of has me stumped. So we've been hunting up until last year was our last year hunting at this area because my dad ended up moving out of state.
Starting point is 00:15:08 And he's living in the area now that has some great hunting. So I'll probably be going over there this archery season. But a few seasons later, I would have to say probably a year or two after the main sighting happened or my first experience happened. We were tent camping this time instead of staying in a trailer because we were only going a couple days. and it is pretty difficult to get into the area that we stay at. So we decided, you know, just we're going to drive camp. We're going to head up there, you know, and hopefully make something happen in a few days instead of staying four or five days
Starting point is 00:15:53 like we normally do during opening weekend. Well, about on the first night that we were in camp, same campsite that we always go to, our same general area, same two lakes that we always hunt at during archery season opening weekend. We hear something in about two or three in the morning, and it is very loud to the point that it wakes me and my dad up from our dead sleep. And it sounded as almost like a, I know this sounds crazy, but it sounded somewhere between a howl of a owl mix with the bark of a dog, and it was just very, very loud. So, you know, we kind of get up in our tent, and we're sitting
Starting point is 00:16:47 up and we're listening, and it keeps going on. We're guessing that it had to be maybe 100, 150 yards from like the campsite on the lower lakes that we were staying at. If data management is slowing down your business. You need the Intuit ERP. If one entity is here and one here and one here and one here, you need the Intuit ERP. If scaling your business feels like start starting over, you need the Intuit ERP. Intuit Enterprise Suite is the AI native ERP solution that consolidates, migrates, and automates, all in one place. Learn more at Intuit.com slash ERP.
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Starting point is 00:18:33 It said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a recess. Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to height and taste? Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a recess. And the hill behind it, and, you know, we heard other people getting up. And, you know, there was other campers.
Starting point is 00:18:57 next to us and you could tell too you know you were seeing flashlights turning on and stuff so we know other people definitely heard that and I've been in areas where there's mules and donkeys and near pack stations and and they do make noises that are somewhat terrifying at first when you hear or if you're not used to those type of sounds it can be pretty um it's pretty shocking some of the the noises that they can make you know in the middle of night that you'll hear but where we were staying at it was there's no horses up there no mules and it did not sound like that i've been like i said around horses mules donkeys and that was definitely not what that was but it was an extremely loud noise that sounded
Starting point is 00:19:51 like a combination of multiple animals and the funny thing is it almost sounded it almost sounded like something that would be off a Jurassic Park, which I thought was really odd. And no animal that's up there makes a noise like that. I mean, you have mountain lions, you have bears, of course, dears, and nothing makes that loud of audible noise. And it had a certain pitch and a tune to it that was just odd. It was very odd to hear it. I have a question.
Starting point is 00:20:27 So. Sorry. Yeah. I have a question real quick. When you heard these noises, were they affecting you in any way? Mentally, physically, did they make you feel off? Anything I thought? You know, the strangest thing is, Jeremiah, when we heard that, it almost had like an effect that made you want to go see what it was, if that makes sense.
Starting point is 00:20:55 I know talking about it sounds crazy, but it was really weird. It almost drew you to the sound. And I'm a pretty, I would say a pretty light sleeper, as in a fact that if I hear noises and stuff, I'm always a little bit on the edge of the mountains. You know, just being out there and stuff, I always keep an eye to things, you know, and my dad is the exact opposite. He's the guy that you say, hey, what was that? And he's just, you know, I'll go back to sleep. Well, this time it actually woke both of us up. And it probably had been going on for 10 to 15 minutes at least before it woke us up,
Starting point is 00:21:34 because I remember hearing it while I was asleep. But it definitely had an effect on us that wasn't necessarily a scary thing, but more so as in it made us really, really intrigued, which I thought was really weird considering the type of noise that it was, it just wasn't anything I have ever heard ever being in the mountains. So we continued for the, you know, like I said, the last 10 to 11 years, we've been hunting that same area. Last year was our last season that we were going to be going up there for opening archery.
Starting point is 00:22:13 And there is, so give a little context to this, when you head to the two lakes that we camp at and we hunt out of about 45 minutes up the road, there's a more commercial lake. I'm not commercial, but it's more of a lake that you get a lot of people from the Bay Area. A lot of city people go to that lake because it has a regular asphalt road to it and the lakes that we stay at, you have to travel on a dirt road for probably, I can't imagine how many miles, but it's about 30 minutes of just dirt road and it has switchedbacks. You know, it's a little more difficult to access. So we decided to drive to that lake, which has a convenience store there and like a little burger spot. Really good burgers, by the way. But we needed to get some more
Starting point is 00:23:03 supplies. I think we were designed to actually make some hamburgers that day and possibly, you know, got a couple sodas or maybe a beer or two. And so we're headed back on the road. and this is probably middle of the day I want to say anywhere from 11 to 1 o'clock we're driving back to that lake and when we get close to the lake we notice that there's about 50 government plate vehicles
Starting point is 00:23:35 tallhows blacked out tallhows with government plates on them which struck us is very very odd in that area because you're good you're at about 7,500 feet, 8,000 feet at that lake, which is a little bit lower than where we stay at. And there was a heavy presence of apparently government employees, which, you know, it's just odd that either there was, you know, somebody very high profile that was in that area or there was some reason that they were up there. you know and considering the things that we've seen heard it just came it just uh you start putting everything together you know it just the optics of it were that they were there for some type of
Starting point is 00:24:27 reason and it you know to this day we don't know what exactly it's it's a definitely a very strange coincidence and it makes you it makes you wonder no doubt especially that many Yeah. Vehicles, you know. I know. And the thing is, is when you get to, when you get to this lake, there's little areas on both sides of the road where people park at, you know, over time, fishermen, people, you know, that are there for the day, you know, families, they all park on both sides of it.
Starting point is 00:24:59 And this wasn't like an incorporated parking lot at the convenience store. It was just on the side of the road. And we noticed so many vehicles on both sides. sides. It was, it was really, it was really, it makes your head, it's a head scratchy moment for sure. I would like to take a few minutes and talk about your first initial siting, if that's all right. Yeah, no, that's problem. Yeah, no, it's no problem. Yeah. So, which is, I mean, just an incredible, like, that being your first interaction, you were looking through your range finder, right? Yeah, range finder and binoculars.
Starting point is 00:25:42 I'm anybody who knows me knows that I'm very detail-oriented, very routine about things. So in the morning, you know, when I'm getting ready and we're getting ready to either take off from camp or drive to some trailheads that we take off from, I always look through my binoculars and my rangefinder. And I go through the binoculars and the brand that I have, you know, has that normal little turndial that, that is kind of at your, you know, center between your eyebrows is where that is located. So I always tend to just check to make sure that it's focused, you know, and adjust it, depending on if I'm wearing my reading glasses or my prescription glasses or not, then I always try to make that, make sure that that's all dialed in for before we take off. You know, and the same thing with my range fire, I just want to make sure that the battery didn't tie overnight.
Starting point is 00:26:34 or something was leaning on one of the buttons, you know, when I put it up in my backpack the night before. It's just always have it. I just always want to make sure that my gear's ready to go when I take off from camp or whenever we do that hunt in the morning. Oh, absolutely, which I think is great. Remembering what you saw, I've got a few questions about that. Were you able to see what the gate of the creature was,
Starting point is 00:27:00 like how it was moving, how it was stepping? Yeah, you know, you know, was really weird about it was that it moves so smoothly going downhill. The only thing that I can compare it to is if you were going down an escalator and you were walking down at the same time that you were going down that escalator. Interesting. Yeah. Did you notice anything out of the ordinary? So let's pretend we're looking at the, we're looking at the, we're looking at the, the legs, right? And you've got the, my anatomy is not up to par, but the part of the leg that is
Starting point is 00:27:46 below the knee, which I believe would be the shin and that area below or above the ankle. Was there anything out of the ordinary about the movement of the creature in that part of the leg? No, not that I noticed, but, you know, the area that it was traveling through for some portion of deciding of it did have a lot of thick brush. So for a portion of it, we were just seeing what looked like, somebody very tall with a hoodie on, all black that was head and shoulders
Starting point is 00:28:23 going through some buck brush is what we kind of call it, which is not a technical term, but sometimes there's some type of berries. You know, when you get to the high country, they have thorns in them. And so for a portion of it, all I was seeing was just shoulders and head above some very thick brush. Gotcha.
Starting point is 00:28:41 And then when it finally did go through that area, you know, and you could kind of see stuff, it just had a very unique look to it. I mean, the gate to it, the walk to it was it almost lifted its each individual foot, like as if you would if you were stepping through mud or you were trying to shake something off your feet as you were taking every step. It seemed like it was lifting its legs, like it was stepping over things that were higher than we're on the ground, like as if you were almost doing high knees or exaggerating how you were lifting your feet.
Starting point is 00:29:19 Say you were walking over a small branch and you lifted your knees and feet very, very high to go over something small. It just, it looked odd. Gotcha. When you mentioned that it almost seemed like it was trying to show, shake mud off its legs. Were you able to see the legs at that time when it was making those kind of movements? Yeah, yeah, we could for, I mean, it was probably only about a quarter of the time that I saw it.
Starting point is 00:29:51 I was able to witness that. And it, you know, at the distance that we were at, which was, I'm guessing, about 200 to 300 yards, it was kind of hard to make out any discernible features. And the really odd thing is, is it was so dark that it looked almost like a shadow walking through brush. Okay, gotcha. So it might be a little tough. Like if I was to ask when it was doing the shaking the mud off of its legs, do you remember if the, let's say the way it was walking, was it moving?
Starting point is 00:30:30 moving its legs just straight forward or was it doing a weird motion with its legs when it walked, when it was doing the mud shaking? That's kind of hard to say, really, for what I remember. But I guess the closest thing that I could really compare it to is like the movement is if people at the gym when they go on the stair machine. and you see some people that do exaggerated movements when they lift their legs really high. But it was doing that while traveling downhill, which struck me is really odd. Okay, wow, that is really interesting. Are you a guy who watches Bigfoot videos and documentaries and stuff? Yeah, you know, honestly, so this is the backstory behind all this stuff.
Starting point is 00:31:25 For years, I mean, my dad, he's a known thing. nonsense type of guy. He's the one guy when crap hits the fan that you want to have with you. He's been hunting since he was probably early 20s, you know, and this was four decades later. Okay. Three or four decades later. So he, you know, he, he doesn't, basically, we kind of made jokes about it. And before that point, we were, I had known about Bigfoot, you know, and we changed the channel and, you know, you'd find, I'm not going to say the exact show, but you find one on. And we would kind of make jokes at it or say like, you know, or we thought it was something funny kind of in a way. We never took it serious.
Starting point is 00:32:14 And then after the sighting happened that we had, plus some weird stuff that we added up together, it just changed my outlook at least on everything. and it got me to researching a lot more into that topic, you know, and it's just something you can't shake. It's once you have an experience like that, there's probably honestly not one day that goes by, I don't think about that in some capacity. Oh, absolutely. And I asked that because the really detailed questions I was asking right there
Starting point is 00:32:48 is kind of trying to see. I was just curious what you had noticed because there's an old documentary called Sasquatch Legends Legend Meets Science from Doug Highcheck and he has a very detailed part about the supposed gate of a Sasquatch
Starting point is 00:33:05 and what you said was very interesting. I don't know if you've never watched that it would be... I never have now. Okay, so I think you can find it on YouTube potentially and I would be very interested if you were to watch that and then contact me back
Starting point is 00:33:20 and there's the, especially the part about the gate of the creature and they try to replicate it. I'd be interested to see, but moving on. And I also do want to point out that we had talked beforehand that this is your first time actually sharing all these things that have happened without outside the reach of people that are extremely close to you. So this is your first time sharing that. But so looking through your. your optics, how much of the details of the face and the body were you able to see? You know, it, from
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Starting point is 00:35:47 Everything happens for a Reese's. Like this commercial break, did you need 15 seconds away from music? Or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's. It was really hard to get discernible features, and the odd thing was,
Starting point is 00:36:05 you could tell that it was, my first thought was it was something covered in fur or hair. That's why I first went to, it had to be a bear, you know, and it was a bear that knew how to walk really well on two legs. it's hind legs, but it was just so dark that you couldn't make out exactly what it was. And like I said, you just go through the, you know, gambit of it's got to be this. No, it has to be that.
Starting point is 00:36:31 It has to be this. And Bigfoot was honestly probably one of the last things on that list. Right. That was a possibility, you know, what we saw. So it sounds like we're not seeing fine details like facial features, find details like that, hair color, although you did mention
Starting point is 00:36:52 black. Yeah, it was it was jet, it was like pretty much a jet black from where we were standing. And even, you know, the odd thing was
Starting point is 00:37:02 is even looking at it with binoculars. I mean, the lighting wasn't the best, of course, but looking at it with binoculars, it was so dark
Starting point is 00:37:11 in the shoulder and neck and face region that it was almost impossible to make out, any exact details, which I thought was really odd. Okay, yeah, that's very interesting. So definitely not seeing anything about the eyes. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:37:25 Okay. Not that, no. I remember anything. Did you see, let's say, did you notice, like, the shape of the head at all? Yeah, it was very rounded. That's why I first, I mean, it seemed very large. It didn't definitely, it almost seemed as if a person had a very, almost, like a cloak or something you'd see in Star Wars or that type of loose garment over the head.
Starting point is 00:37:53 So it was very, it was pretty big, a lot more big than what I would think a human's head would look like from that distance, that's for sure. So when you say kind of like a cloak, are you kind of saying like maybe there was like a cone shape to the head or? Yeah, it actually looked, it looked around to me. But it's just from where the shoulders went to the head, it didn't go like a humid wood where, you know, you have your clavicle and then it goes into your neck. It looked like it was just rounded out from like basically essentially something touched almost from the shoulder to the top part of the head. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:32 Okay. So not really like much of a neck then. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That was the first thing I thought. Were you able to tell if you were maybe looking at a male creature or a female creature in any way? No, I could not. From where there was no discernible, you know, anything visible of that nature.
Starting point is 00:38:58 Gotcha. And so you were getting really a side view of the creature as it walked across or? It was kind of so at first it started making, it was. traveling from like left to right and then at one point it turned almost like dead on to us for a little bit of it gotcha when it did that turn and i apologize i'm going to be asking questions and you know if it's dark that's no problem but the point where it turned and moved towards you at that point, were there any things you noticed that you hadn't noticed when it was just walking from left to right?
Starting point is 00:39:46 No, there was nothing as in, in, like, certain features that I noticed. It just had such a weird movement, too, was very, like, stiff. It almost moved in a robotic manner, if that makes sense. Interesting. It's such a weird, it's such a weird variation. You know, so you're saying, on the one hand, the creature is. is moving very smoothly, right? Mm-hmm, correct.
Starting point is 00:40:16 But then on the other hand, it has kind of a robotic movement to it, you said, right? Yep. And, you know, I've seen that before with certain athletes and stuff that are, they can move so well, and their movements are so precise that it almost looks robotic. Interesting. Okay, I like that. remembering what you had looked at, did it give you more the sense, like maybe you were looking at a creature that was in some way related to a human or to an ape or something that just didn't really fit in either of those boxes? You know, for me, it looked like a human.
Starting point is 00:41:07 it resemble more human, but then on the other hand, it also seemed as if, like, when you see animals, you know, I'm not sure if you're familiar with animals in their movements and stuff. And it, so the whole thing was, it was like somebody going to that lake, like, as if we see deer or, you know, bears do it. They go to water sources, and they usually do it first thing in the morning. That's when a lot of animals are moving. And that's basically, you know, what it did, what it was. And that's what I thought at first. Just like if we were looking through our binoculars and I was to see a dough or a butt, you know, going to get water.
Starting point is 00:41:54 Wow. What other sounds were you hearing at that time? So during the initial sighting, it was just the normal, you know, sounds. I think there was some bird chirping, just different stuff in camp. Nobody was really up at that point. Where we camp at, there's, you know, New York, your normal hikers, some families. But that year, from what I remember, there wasn't a whole lot of hunters. So at that time in the morning, I want to say also in the campsite that we were at,
Starting point is 00:42:31 I don't recall anybody else beating up at all in that area. at any point were you able to see the full length of the arms um yes i was so in between so when it was traveling um you know through the thickets and then at some point that brush got a little shorter is um my speculation or what i saw you could see arm movement and they were kind of swinging back and forth
Starting point is 00:43:06 interesting how how long were these arms hanging down would you say I would say man I'm gonna have to go back into my memory bank really good on this and I would have to say it was probably comparable to our human as far as they didn't look abnormally long but they also were kind of you know at what would be the elbow area. Interesting. So definitely not like you would say not past the knees, not down. No.
Starting point is 00:43:52 No. Okay. But you're also, I'm going to estimate, well, let's say you said the brush was six to seven feet tall. And you said you could see the shoulders and the head. So how much would you, how tall would you estimate what you were looking at probably was? I would have to say that it was definitely, no, it was at the shortest, it was seven foot, but I'm guessing between the seven to eight foot range. Yeah, got you.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Were you able to see anything about the hands at all? No, I mean, not really other than just seeing dark. Right. What I'm assuming were the hand area, you know, going back and forth, like during the walking movement. I'm sorry. at any time did you start having I'm going to try to think of how I'm going to say this when you're watching the creature were there was there at any time a difference in how your body was reacting your mental state your how you felt internally no not not
Starting point is 00:45:15 not really that I noticed, you know, and I think now that I have seen this, it kind of, I realize that when you see something that doesn't make any sense that you, the human tries to rationalize what they saw. So it was just, I was coming up with so many different excuses at the time of what it had to be. And, oh, even though none of it added up, it was like, oh, no, there's no way that it could be. something upright, dark, covered in fur, walking towards this lake where you have campers at, at the lower spot, and above both lakes, there's a campsite above there, you know, and it was probably only 200 yards from the right of the upper campsite. Gotcha. It just seemed weird that, I mean, it was close enough to the campsites, but not.
Starting point is 00:46:18 it was close enough to where if it was a person, they would have walked in the openings to get to the lake. They wouldn't have gone through dense brush thickets to go to the lake. It made no sense as to why because I've walked by that brush before. And it's so thick in there. And also there's thorns. Just nobody that has any clue about being in the mountains and walking through that terrain would go straight through the center of it.
Starting point is 00:46:47 that makes sense there's no logical reason for a human to be over there yeah exactly gotcha because if it wanted to go to the lake for whatever reason it would go in the openings and there's areas where there's knee high grass you know and then there's areas where there's shorter grass it would have taken an easier route basically to get to the lake after you had this experience did this affect your time back at home in any way? No, not so much, but, you know, I kind of, I get teased from time to time because I'm so into the subject now, you know, and it sent me out a deep dive where, I mean, I've read,
Starting point is 00:47:38 I have a stack right now under my TV of probably 30 books, you know, my podcast, I'll, I have a job where I'm driving site to, site to do building inspections. So in between, you know, I'm constantly just watching YouTube videos, listening to podcasts related to the subject. And that that happened after the, this, this encounter that you got really super deep into it. Why is, is the, what is the main reason you think that you got really into it after, after
Starting point is 00:48:16 that? You know, um, my guess is I just wanted to find answers, really. Right. You know, when you see something that once you narrow down all the possibilities of what it wasn't, and you start to think of what it could have been, now, like I want answers, you know, basically about that. I feel lucky on one hand that I got to witness it, you know, and but then again, it's also changed my view of pretty much everything. It wasn't a huge paradigm shift at the beginning. It wasn't something that was like, oh, you know, everything's completely different.
Starting point is 00:48:59 But the more that I narrowed it down and the more that I went through my checklist and, you know, and analyzed it, then it did start to change everything. Like, it's definitely opened my eyes to a lot of different things. Sure. Or not just ignoring, you know, and writing stuff off now, whether anybody says, you know, they go into the, top of dogman, you know, any of the cryptids now before I would have been like, ha, ha, you know, that's funny. But now I'm just like, you know, like if these people are seeing something and they, you know, what it is, I don't know, but there is people that are seeing things and I take it a heck of a lot more serious now, that's for sure. Oh, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:49:41 It's like once you have an encounter like this, it's like all bets are off, I think, for everything else. I do want to ask a question I ask. before, maybe a little bit more direct. After you had this encounter, at any time, did you have, were your dreams affected? Did you start to hear any strange voices or anything, I thought? Nope. Okay. Nope, believe it or not, I mean, it didn't, you know, the thing is, the way I look at it is
Starting point is 00:50:15 where we go hunting at and where I've been hiking at, you know, I've been in the outdoors. there's plenty of things that can arm you that are out there. And so in that aspect, I wasn't, like, terrified to go back in the woods or it never made me, you know, it made me more vigilant, that's for sure. And I always was kind of, when we were hunting, you know, I'd take a couple seconds to look off, you know, on the hill next to me with my binoculars or scanning stuff and always keeping an eye on me. But, you know, from what I learned, it's, you should always be vigilant in the mountains, you know. You're even, you know, we see people that go out there in areas where we've seen bear before
Starting point is 00:50:54 and seen lots of signs of bear. And, you know, I don't think they're vigilant enough really, to be honest. And we see single, you know, people going in there and they're hiking way back just by themselves. And to me, that's kind of reckless. If data management is slowing down your business, you need the Intuit ERP. If one entity is here and one here and one here, and one here, you need the Intuit ERP. If scaling your business feels like start starting over, you need the Intuit ERP. Intuit Enterprise Suite is the AI-native ERP solution that consolidates, migrates, and automates,
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Starting point is 00:52:59 you mentioned that you had gone back to the the actual brushy area when afterwards when you were over there did you see any evidence of like footprints or you know like a massive creature going through nothing at that. Okay. I did not. I did not. I started, I basically went to the edge of, of where that brush was, and I wanted to see how tall that was, you know, so it could give me a better idea to the height of it. And once I realized it was a lot taller than, then I thought it kind of changed, it kind of gave me some answers that I needed, basically.
Starting point is 00:53:40 Makes sense. And I'm sorry, to piggyback on that. that, you know, I, part of the profession that I'm in, I'm constantly measuring stuff with tape measures and, you know, checking diameters of things and stuff, you know, and I thought, you know, maybe I could guess from the distance that I was, how tall that was. But then when I actually got right next to it, I kind of, my mind was somewhat blown at how tall that brush actually was. absolutely just to double check during that encounter where you had the visual on it were there any was there any evidence that you had captured from that time no I did not I do have you know when we go hunting a lot of the times I'll carry my cell phone on me but where we're at we have no service for I mean we have to drive down the mountain a good
Starting point is 00:54:38 hour hour and a half to even get service sure so I I carry it. I usually just leave it in the trailer or I'll put it in my backpack, but we mainly, I just mainly use that to check trail cameras if we had any set up or, you know, if I do harvest an animal, I definitely, you know, want to take pictures of that, you know, or have my dad snap a photo of me next to it. But believe it or not, that was the last thing that went through my mind. when you were looking through your optics at this if you were in a situation where you could have taken a shot is is it a thing where you would have or there's that's not a not an option at all based on what you saw no that that wasn't an option at all you know being um you know getting it being around hunting growing up around hunting now being a understand it myself. You don't take a shot at something. You're not 100% sure of what it is. And we were there hunting deer. And that was definitely not a deer. So that wasn't even a thought that had gone through my head at all. It makes sense. It sounds like you started doing a lot of research. Since you know where that exact area is, did you look to see if there had been any other sightings or encounters in that same area? I did not, but, you know, I was told by my dad, and this is a second-hand story, and he just had told it to me probably about five years ago.
Starting point is 00:56:26 But there was another gentleman that comes from the same city where I live in, and he used to hunt with my dad and a group of the other guys. That's how my dad got started with some older hunters, had taken him up to that area, showed him kind of the rober. of all the areas and where deer's are usually at. And he was up on the side of this mountain. Same thing, you know, we try to go in and get there as close to daylight as possible and try to get in our spot where we want to be as close to daylight, you know, before
Starting point is 00:57:01 anything moves. And he had said that he saw something run across the side of this hill, which was really steep because I've been on that hill a bunch of times myself and said that it was absolutely flying on the side of this hill and moving at a speed that it was just not humanly capable. And in that area, you know, there's a lot of volcanic rock and there's a lot of shale. And he said that it was just moving through there like it was nothing, like it was on flat ground, essentially. That's really interesting. Yeah. Definitely adds another.
Starting point is 00:57:40 side to it for sure. So before we had taken a small detour back to talk about your initial siting, we were talking about the tent camping, and we talked about that for a little bit. Are there any other interesting things that you've noticed over the years as well besides that? Yeah. So we also hunted another area that's a little closer to the city that I live in. So for context, the area where my first signing occurred at is about three and a half hours away from the city that I live in. But we also go to this other area that's on the backside. Well, essentially, we come in from the backside of the ski resort and we drop down on top of the ridge. And if you look far down below about a thousand yards, you You can see the lodge, parking lot, all that area. But if you stay on that ridge line, you have a bunch of slopes going down underneath you that all converge down at the base of the ski resort. And we always stay on that ridge line, you know. And there's a couple game trails that are about 40 to 50 yards below the top of that ridge that we see dears, you know, first thing in the morning.
Starting point is 00:58:57 Right before dark as well, they'll be cutting across there. So me and my dad were posted up there in the afternoon. Usually we take off from camp at about, you know, depending on how the weather is that season, if it's abnormally warm, we'll wait a little bit later to take off from camp to go up the trail, you know, and go on the backside of the ski resort and drop down on it. And we were just sitting on one of the runs. So imagine the top of the run, you know, where the ski lift lets you out at and you strap your gear and, you know, sometimes there's a little bench right there, you know, or different trail markers up at that area. Well, we're looking down the run, and we've seen deer crossing about halfway down this area, this specific ski run that we look at, and we started hearing, I mean, crashing of something that sounded like it. And we made a joke even at first is, what is there a dinosaur coming through this thicket? So between ski runs, you have the opening clearings, and generally you have tree area.
Starting point is 01:00:03 is, you know, where people will do tree riding or, you know, they haven't carved it out down the center yet. And we just noticed there was just a lot of crashing and there was trees in that area that were probably 30 feet tall that were actually swaying back and forth. Which, I mean, a bears go through areas, you know, and they scratch against trees or, you know, they push against stuff. but whatever this was that was in this, that was in the trees between the runs was absolutely sounded absolutely massive. That must have been the weirdest thing ever,
Starting point is 01:00:53 to be honest, to see a, no, I know. A three-foot tree just start swaying and the crashing going on. I don't know if it's stuck on. I know. And, you know, the problem is being a hunter and stuff,
Starting point is 01:01:04 I'm not sure if you've been around hunters, you know, much or around that culture, but you always want to think that you're, the top dogs, you know, in the mountains. You want to think you're, you know, the alpha this out there. And so it's kind of, you know, you kind of try not to be like, oh, man, I'm spooked, you know, or showing too much fear. But that was definitely weird.
Starting point is 01:01:29 I was just hoping that whatever was inside that area did not pop out or come towards us. Because whatever it was sounded absolutely massive. that's wild yeah you know a funny side note Jeremiah I okay so
Starting point is 01:01:56 I know you're familiar with the missing four and one series yep absolutely David David Pilates all that he had a part that had the Sierra sounds in it on I'm not sure which volume it is we'll come to find out
Starting point is 01:02:12 two of the guys that recorded the Sierra sounds were lived in the same city that I did in California. Oh, that's cool. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And this is the even crazier part about it is one of the guys, which he hasn't gone on, you know, to Ron Moore,
Starting point is 01:02:36 I don't know if else will say that, he, you know, has gone on different shows. One of the guys has gone on different shows and been on documentaries. Well, another one of the, of the hunters that was with him ended up being the um my parents bought the house brought the um land from him that they built their house on really yeah and and the weirdest thing is i've seen around i mean i still see him to this day you know driving around with his wife and and they never broadcasted it you know or anything we had had no clue or watching this documentary and
Starting point is 01:03:14 We're like, wait, we know these two guys right here. And one of them, his house I can literally almost see from my parents' house. Well, the back of his property, at least I could see. So you're definitely not talking about Ron Moorhead. That's public knowledge like Ron Moore. Everyone knows about Ron Moorhead. But you're talking about another hunter. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:35 And my dad actually did know Ron, too. But one of the other hunters that was with him. And there's pictures of him on. that documentary, and they don't name him specifically, but I mean, we definitely know who he is. Obviously, he's been around our city forever, but that's wild. Yeah, to this day, I ride bikes and stuff, and I see him out mowing his yard and stuff, you know, and I really want to go up to him and talk to him, but he's in old school, uh, cowboy type of guy, you know, and I, I just don't know how he's going to respond to it, really.
Starting point is 01:04:09 So I'll say this. if you ever if you ever feel so inclined and you do see him um and you want to go on a quest for for this podcast if you if you feel so inclined you could i mean if you do strike up a conversation with him and let him know hey if you ever does want to talk about what happened during that time uh on a podcast i would love to interview this gentleman It's, I don't think he's ever been, I mean, I don't think he's ever been interviewed. I can't even think of what the guy's name is, but. He hasn't.
Starting point is 01:04:51 He has not, not that I know, you know, and I've done a lot of research. Okay. And it's just so wild to me that one of the guys that was involved with, you know, probably the, you know, premier recording, never went on the record really or anything. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, a huge synchronicity that you, you, you have. actually know who the dude is and there's that connection with the purchasing of property. And man, if it could happen, that would be, that would be wild if he would ever go on record and chat about it. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 01:05:26 I know. I definitely, because, you know, I ride bikes with one of my friends around here a lot on the weekends and he's always out every Saturday following his yard. And I always want to stop, you know, but usually we're in the middle of a bike ride. and it's like, you know, I, you just don't know how to approach these type of things. You know, this isn't like a conversation where I can just start out with that, you know, kind of got to create a little bit of rapport. That's true.
Starting point is 01:05:52 It is kind of a, that's an interesting conversation to just really launch into. Yeah. And he's closer with my dad as in like they've known each other for years. But I've always, how I've been so interested in the topic, I've always been like, man, And if I could just talk to him, you know, and just here is his firsthand experience of that, it would be absolutely amazing. Jordan, this is what you got to do. You got to get your dad involved. Your dad is the key to this because it sounds like they've been buddy, buddy for years.
Starting point is 01:06:26 And your dad's in the big foot, too, right? Or he's been involved with him. You know, and that's the funny thing is when all this had gone down, you know, years ago, and we kind of kept it hushed. us or, you know, every so often we'd talk about it, you know. And I noticed little by little, he started getting a lot more involved in the last couple years. I mean, as far as I catch it, he would be watching, you know, stuff on YouTube before he moved, you know, and they moved out of state. He would be watching stuff on YouTube. I'd go over their house and he was watching a documentary or missing four and long and stuff. And I noticed it definitely, he's definitely
Starting point is 01:07:04 got a lot more open-minded, you know, than I thought he would ever be about the top eight. Absolutely. I mean, wow, that was quite the rabbit trail we just went on, but I'm glad we went on it. That's pretty cool. I know.
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Starting point is 01:08:58 Like this commercial break, did you need 15 seconds away from music? Or 15 seconds to eat arreases? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a reases. Well, I know, I was just, I wrote a little note about that, you know, and it's just a, it's just a weird little tidbit that it, because, you know, and, and a lot of old, a lot of the older hunters around this area that I've come in contact with my dad and stuff, they would always tell it like almost like an urban legend. Like, you know, there's some guys from this area that have gone hunting up by, and they had a bunch of mysterious things happened to them. And, and they had, they had, they never, they never. said anything about recording audio, which was really weird too, you know, and it was almost like a, you know, like an urban legend you tell everybody, like, oh, and I never knew who the guys were until I saw that documentary, and neither did my dad.
Starting point is 01:09:48 Holy Macomb. Which is really odd. So you're saying, like, the recording of the Sierra sounds were some, like, local legend you would hear, and then you realized it's a huge part of Bigfa history. Holy Macro. Yep. Yep, exactly. You know, and we would say, you know, my dad would tell me, yeah, you know, there's some guys that, you know, had had gone up to the high country and they had this stupid little, you know, honeyhole that they've always been hunting out of on horseback. And I assumed that it was an actual cabin, not like a lean-to, you know, or structure that was just built out there. I thought it was a cabin, you know, and we had heard stuff that something was pounding on the side of their cabin and something spook their horses
Starting point is 01:10:28 and all these different things. And then come to find it and find out the real story. It was just, it was amazing, honestly. I couldn't believe that. You know, like I said, I almost want to get an autograph from this guy, you know, and have it somewhere in my house. Oh, I mean, that would be, that would be so cool. Do I need to cut out this part? Yeah, probably.
Starting point is 01:10:57 Okay. I don't think, I don't know if they really, like, said that much. I mean, I don't know if, if that. That was actually, you know, I remember watching the missing 401, but I don't know if they actually, I don't, I mean, me personally, I have no clue where it is, but I do know kind of the area that it's in. I think it's a missing 401 to hunt it, and I think they leave it vague. Yeah, that's exactly. They say it's somewhere in the Sierra, as I believe it's how they play it. But I think it's not many people know the exact location of where it actually happened.
Starting point is 01:11:33 And I think only those gentlemen do, you know, and I think one of them Ron took his wife there. But other than that, that's pretty much there. Well, at the time when they were allowing them to be up there, was an area only a couple of those guys knew. It's just, it's wild to think that, like, the guys from that generation, that would have been, like, the guys like Ron that went out during that time in the 70s.
Starting point is 01:11:55 Like, those guys are almost gone. Like, that's why I take this interviewing people extremely serious, especially when it's the older generation, where they start. talking about how they were going out in the late 70s. I mean, those guys, it's almost, I mean, even the guys in the 90s, they're getting old too, man, that were researching. I know. And it's just those guys, I didn't realize that they literally paved the way for a lot of the stuff nowadays.
Starting point is 01:12:26 You know, and of course, the average person that isn't into the topic isn't really going to know this. But, you know, those guys are essentially to me, some of the founding fathers of a lot of this research. I would agree. If you had the chance to see what you saw that one day again, would you want to see that again? You know, and partially, part of me wants to, but the other part of me knows exactly, you know, what I saw that day. So it's not like I need confirmation of any sorts. It would be nice. But then again, after learning about different sightings and encounters, I don't necessarily. want to be close to something like that or you know I don't want to have some of these encounters where things are getting thrown at me or you know I hear something going around our trailer at night or you know around our 10 at night I don't want anything like that now
Starting point is 01:13:25 from a hill with maybe a spotting scope or my binoculars you know a good four or five hundred yards away at least you know would be ideal but that's about as close as I really want to get to anything like this. It's extremely interesting. You know, and then I, you know, something that this whole event kind of didn't plague me for years, but it always has been in my mind. And, you know, I needed to get some type of clarity. And I went to, you know, I go to church and I'm a believer.
Starting point is 01:14:08 And I went to a pastor that I'm very comfortable sharing. stuff with and I trust his guidance. And he had kind of an interesting take on it that did kind of open my eyes to stuff. Or it definitely sparked a different way of thinking about the whole thing. And he essentially, you know, said that there's a spiritual realm that's around us. And, you know, every so often that veil is thin enough to where people see stuff, you know, that these are occurrences that happen all the time, but for whatever reason, certain people are able to view these things happening. And the reason that that kind of resonated with me
Starting point is 01:14:57 was because as the sun continued to rise that morning, I didn't, it should have been more visible and instead it did the exact opposite or it just vanished as if it was almost supernatural in a sense. So does that mean then that as the sun rose, you actually saw the creature start to disappear in front of your eyes? No, not in that aspect. It was just every so often, you know, I kept, you know, I went and grabbed my bow real quick and was loading up the vehicle, but in the meantime, loading up the back of my dad's Jeep.
Starting point is 01:15:41 But in the meantime, you know, I was keeping an eye on that same area, same area, you know, and I kind of stepped away for a second to get my bow set up and, you know, make sure my arrows were all secured in the quiver and then put it on my backpack and set it in the back of the Jeep because we were actually going to the hunt off this trailhead that's about a quarter of a mile away from camp. And when I turned back around, it was just completely gone as if nothing was there at all. And nothing, it was the oddest thing. That is very odd. Yeah, it's just, but you know that that's happened before with, you see like a really big buck or, you know, sometimes you see wildlife and it's just in and out quick, you know. It's almost like if you saw a ghost, you know, but except this thing was tall walking towards a lake. So personally, yourself, have you come? Have you decided what you feel a big foot is yourself then?
Starting point is 01:16:59 That's a pretty tough question. You know, for me, all its movements and what it was doing, 100% reminding me of, you know, an animal going to a lake to get water, you know, first thing in the morning. But then the part that has me stumped is the part of how it just seemed like it seemed to just vanish into. thin air at the end of it all. So, you know, I know there's two different, there's two different camps, so to speak, and one is that it's a physical creature, and then the other one is the whole woo and supernatural
Starting point is 01:17:38 aspect, but it kind of had aspects of both for me and my encounter. And you know what? I'm, how I'm starting to feel personally, the more I get into this, is that I don't think it's out of the question to have a physical creature that, maybe can do weird stuff that we just don't understand in science yet that could be considered paranormal you know like yeah and the more that I research you know I'm kind of along the same camp there's just things we don't understand and I'm I'm okay with that you know and maybe as time goes on people will you know there will be more science or you know it'll be accepted that animals can
Starting point is 01:18:26 do this or that. Absolutely. I mean, we know that some animals can influence their prey using infrasound, you know, to make them scared or not be able to run. And honestly, I think that this creature can also do that. And it's, it's one of the scariest things to think that a creature that large can do that. But we're just, we're learning more about it. And it feels like, you know, every answer we get, there's two more questions, but that's part of the research of it. Yeah, I definitely agree on that. But Jordan, it's been a real pleasure talking to you tonight, and I'm so glad you're able to share your account with a listener base and be able to feel comfortable enough to be able to do that. Did you have any more closing thoughts before we wrapped up our time here tonight?
Starting point is 01:19:37 Yeah, I guess, you know, some things is, it's great that guys like you, you know, and a couple other guys that I follow and listen to podcasts, have a platform like this where you're able to discuss things and not feel like you're being judged about them is definitely something that I appreciate, you know, and in a lot of the fields, and the field actually that I currently work with, you know, I've tried to have discussions with certain people, you know, and a lot of times it's just brushed off or people make a smart comment regarding it, you know, and you can tell that they don't really think it's serious or, you know, there's just, to them, there's no way that any of this could be real, you know, but it's just really important to have a place to actually discuss stuff like this. you know and it definitely helps when you have a good support group around you as in like my girlfriend is very encouraging about it all you know and she doesn't write it off as just being some tall tale or whopper story you know and same thing with my parents and you know my dad has also
Starting point is 01:20:52 been very open-minded you know and he actually and he actually helped me uh recall or mentioned some different things, you know, that happened along the years, or a couple of the different things that happened, and that was just huge. It's extremely important to have a support base like that. So I'm so happy to hear that you actually do have that. Not everyone is lucky enough to have that support base, especially from people, you know, that they're related to
Starting point is 01:21:30 and that love them as well. But yeah, you know, I still don't. I still, you know, keep it pretty close to the chest. And this isn't something that, you know, I just will discuss with anybody. And so, you know, but at the same time, it is, it is good to have a close, you know, your closest people in your life that are at least willing to hear, you know, and not just write you off, you know, as being crazy or, or, you know, not knowing what you saw right out the gate.
Starting point is 01:22:04 Absolutely. Well, again, Jordan, thank you for coming on this show. If you happen to have anything else interesting happen in future years, feel free to reach back out to me, and it's been a pleasure chatting with you tonight. Yeah, absolutely, and I definitely will. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that
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