Bigfoot Society - Sasquatch Crawled Behind Him! | California

Episode Date: October 4, 2025

What happens when a quiet night in Fort Bragg, California turns into a terrifying brush with the unknown? In this gripping episode, we sit down with Jack Bowers — a lifelong collector of Bigfoot stories and firsthand witness to one of the strangest close encounters ever told. Jack recounts a chilling 1962 incident where a Sasquatch pressed its face against a family’s screen door, just inches away. You’ll hear about handprints left behind, dog food mysteriously vanishing, eggs disappearing from a coop, and how it all ended with a hasty move out of the area. We also dive into decades of Bigfoot lore from the Pacific Northwest, including a harrowing sighting in Mount Rainier National Park, strange tales from Mount St. Helens, and rumors of government coverups after the 1980 eruption. This episode is packed with history, mystery, and stories that just might change what you believe.🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072📧 Business Inquiries:[e-mail]

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from backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it, so settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfa Society, you've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Jack Bowers today. Jack is an individual who likes to refer to himself as a collector, of Bigfoot Stories from out in the great state of Washington. And welcome to the show, Jack.

How are you doing today? Doing fine. Doing fine. Thank you. Absolutely. You know, I'm a big fan of, you've had a few episodes over on the Salish Sasquatch channel. We're good friends of that channel over here.

Love those guys, Jonathan and Sarah Brown. Great, great people. But, you know, you reached out and we got connected. And it's a privilege to have you on the show today to have a conversation about what you have collected over the years with your stories. But, you know, let's start with this, Jack. Is there something that first got you into the subject? Do you remember when you first started getting into Bigfoot in your life? Oh, yeah, very much so.

My aunt's folks lived in Fort Bragg, California, and they had an experience of, with Bigfoot, Mr. Bigfoot, on their property, where the animal, and I refer to them as animal, I don't know if we've made that connection exactly yet, but anyway, it poked his head right in the screen door, and they were about two feet away from it. So when they shared that with me, that was hook enough. I've been on it ever since, and that is 1962. So we go back a bit. Oh, my goodness.

So that incident was, I mean, pre-Patterson Gimlin film by about seven years. Yes. Or five years. I want to get into that and talk about it a little bit. It's because it's kind of interesting. It was, if you don't mind. Absolutely. It was 1958 when Jerry Cruz, who was a bulldozer operator,

in California in that near area run across a set of footprints in the dust after I think he was walking the grade after he bulldozed or was first thing in the morning or some such anyway he came across the footprints and they intrigued them enough he had no idea what they were just like a lot of us and he got a hold of a gentleman from the he was another guy with a journalist at the Humboldt

Times and the Bluff Creek Times, his name is Andrew Gizoli. And he came out there, took pictures, wrote up an article on it. And that was 1958. And so that kind of started the local interest anyway in Bigfoot. And by the way, that was the year that Jeff Meldrum was born. And I hate to see his passing because he was a superb individual. He really was. Yeah, rest in peace, definitely.

Yeah. Yep, absolutely. In 1962, still, the, I mean, there was an occasional story would leak out and around, but nobody had really took it to heart, you might say. Matter of fact, really, in fact, it hasn't been until the last few years that, and some of the some of the TV programs and movies and whatnot really have launched into a more complete dissertation, you might say, of what's going on in the Bigfoot community. They've been there all along. And then there's in antiquity probably much longer than you and I've been part of the scene.

So in any event, my in-laws lived in Fort Bragg, California. that's right on the coast, real close to the coast. Matter of fact, if you're not careful, you'll get your face washed right there. But anyway, and they looked out of town a little bit, and their names Bud and Angie Jenkins and her brother, Bud, kind of shared the same house from time to time because Bud and Bob would team up on a trucking, adventures of sorts hauling freight and whatnot and so to make things work

Bobby come over and spend the night and get up together and go anyway it was in February of 62 that Angie had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night about three o'clock I guess it was she says and got up and was heading for the bathroom she happened to look out the living room door I mean window rather and she saw something towering above their six-foot fence. And she thought it was a bear. And so she didn't want that crit or whatever it was in her garden. And she went back to the bedroom and told,

Bud, Bud, get up, get the shotgun. There's a bear in my garden. And, of course, the vegetable garden, a little bit of everything. And so, And he's kind of groggy and everything's just, he was sound asleep when he woke him up. And he wanted to know where the shotgun was. Well, she had moved it for one reason or another. So he's in there fumbling around looking for the shotgun.

In the meantime, Bob, who was on the couch in the front room, got woke up. And she expressed her interest in having that animal run out of her garden. And he said, well, I'll just run out there and yell at it. scream at it, whatever it takes, and it'll be gone and we'll be okay. So he went through the front door and out down the side of the house. In the meantime, in the meantime, Bud came out, and he says, I got the shotgun. Where's the shells? And she says, I don't know.

I put him somewhere. And it sounds like home to me. But anyway, the upshot is, he says, well, where's Bob? And then she says, he went down, out around the house. the back he's going to yell at that bear get rid of it and scared off or whatever and so they both walked up to the door there was a there was the main door and then a screen door and they pushed the screen door well other doors open and she pushed the screen door open and they both look down the sidewalk down the side of the house and here comes bob literally on his hands and knees kind of almost lower than

that if you can imagine he's crawling up the sidewalk and right behind him literally right behind him is this animal towering over him and just walking along, watching Bob crawl along. And Bud and Angie, they went into kind of a shock. They didn't know what to do. And Bob crawled into the house. And they're trying to shut the door, and they couldn't get the door shut.

And the animal would be, and there's a reason for that. The animal was right there at the door, bent over and looking at him from two feet, maybe three at the most. I mean, they're right on top of each other. Two of them are trying to get the door shut, and big foot standing are looking at them. And they said it had a very interesting look on its face. It had that look of pure curiosity,

and not anything of an aggravating or caustic, whatever, look to it. Anyway, it had to bend over to look. inside. Now, an average door is 78 inches. And so you take 78 inches and it still had to bend over to look in, I'm sure we're talking about an eighth specimen and that type of thing. Anyway, the upshot of the whole thing was that, think here, they couldn't shut the screen door because Mr. Bigfoot had his hands on the sill,

and it was banging, the door frame was banging on the hand, the screen door frame, and they couldn't get the door shut. And so without thinking, they backed up a little bit and shut the main door. It did shut. They're standing there in shock, and the animal walked off. And I hope nobody gets all excited. excited. I'm 80 years old. If I want to call it an animal, I will.

I mean, I know that there's some talk about relic hominets, and I'll buy that. I don't have a problem with all that, but my general frame of reference is an animal. So anyway, the upshot is it wandered off, back down the sidewalk, side of the house, and Angie called the police right away

from Fort Bragg, and they didn't get out there until about 4 o'clock or better and there's footprints they cast the footprints and everything else of that nature and there was a print on the door frame post or whatever you would want to call it and they left that there because

the critter had his hands in the dirt somewhere on the line and left a dirty mark on the door. And that marked from heel to the tip of the fingers

was 11.5 inches. That's a big span. And anyway, Bob finally got his wits about him, but he couldn't hold a cup of coffee

that said for about a half an hour. He was just shaking so bad. And it happened fast enough for Bud and Angie themselves.

They didn't know what to think about it. at that time I don't, if there's very, very few people who are versed in anything as it regards to Bigfoot. But in

any event, the sheriff came out, they cast the prints and that type of thing. And it was apparently had been raining. That's February. And on the sea coast like that, it doesn't have to rain very much to

dampen things up because the snow, I know, the snow but the ocean currents are bringing it in all the time especially that time of here but so the the the footprints didn't last all that long and they weren't thinking in terms of keeping it was the sheriff's department and one of the cast so they did that took the took the report and all that this had and the other thing and they finally got settled down and back to a normal routine. And within two weeks, they notice, and this goes on where other parts of the story are not told, but within a couple of weeks, they had other incident there where Bud would go out

to the chicken coop, and they kept a bag of dog food there, and they kept the chickens, of course, and chicken feed and on a two by four rail along the inside wall, they had an egg carton. And when the egg carton, they would put the eggs in there every day or every other day. And when the egg carton got filled up or postal pool, they'd bring it in the house and put a new fresh carton out there. Well, he'd gone out there and fed the dog one day. And there was half a dozen eggs and he left him. the next morning when they went out to do it again, there were no eggs, and it was clean. In other words, there was no broken shells, nothing of it, that sort at all.

They were just gone, disappeared. Well, at the same time, he had a large 40, 50-pound bag of dog food there, and it went from almost full down to about half full overnight, and that type of thing. So they, it occurred to, and there was no mess. You know, if the bear were to have gotten in that or something of that nature, it would have been a mess. And just how those animals are. Anyway, but this was gone. And then they realized that Mr. Bigfoot was coming back from time to time and helping himself. And they just decided when she would be alone for two or three days at a time.

Angie. So they decided that that was not a good place for them and they and they moved. And so that, that left that out. In the meantime, Mr. Edwards from Ashland, Oregon, which is north from there, of course. And he had heard about this. And I don't know how, how he actually had heard about it. I'm still kind of up in the air on that one. But that he was a, an art professor. of sorts and he got wind of it and and a very he was very interested in all things big blood and he came down and drew a drew up a sketch of what where the animal would have set and what this that and the other thing and he traced the literal tracing of the handprint on the on the door sill or the post one of the two right in there and uh and measured it and all that kind of stuff. I would love to get my hands on that, on that print.

But Cliff Berrickman has, I don't think he's got the original, if I'm mistaken. He may have. I have seen, I've seen a print down there, but I don't know that it's the original or if it was just a drawing, often drawing. But in any event,

and then a normal person's hand was overlaid on the print so that you can get a good comparison. Very interesting. Okay. Very interesting. So this makes, yeah, because I was like, man, I've heard this somewhere. So that makes sense. So it may be called out in the NABC Museum you're saying,

but I also found this was in the news. This is a pretty big deal. It was in the Madeira Tribune. And I'll have the link to that article in the show notes for this episode. And I've been reading the article along while you've been telling the story. And, I mean, yeah, they pretty much got what happened in that article. Yeah. It's just a fascinating story.

And I'm not surprised that that puts you down the road to more Bigfoot for sure. Oh, yeah. Well, at the time, we lived in Federal Way, Washington, which is much of a community between Seattle and Tacoma. and Bud and Angie had their daughter, my aunt, lived up in that area, Des Moines, and they came up to see her within a day or two. PNC Bank brings you the call of the wild money moves. Shh, listen. Hey, guys.

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which is interesting to me because I started out on the positive I never had a negative thought about whether it was or wasn't my aunt's folks came up they explained what was going on the whole story and they later all out there and there was no place to out

I mean it was there it was what it was and I know that there's people that they'll get all excited and say well it's just a hoax or something different or who knows what. And, okay, God bless them. They can believe what they want to believe. But I know these folks, well, up until they're passing, well enough to know that they

weren't playing games with this event. And so that adds a little credulity to what I understand. And like I said, I started out positive. I never doubted the fact from that point on because I'd never heard about it before. that there was such a critter and that he was real and that he was out there. Now, there wasn't a lot of them, obviously, at least so far as we were concerned. But at least I started on the positive and not on the negative side of that. So that's going to help for me as I go along.

I can disregard any number of accounts over the years that I've heard and that are over-grammatic. You can just kind of tell that things have been added and everything. And I'm not picking on other people. That's their business. But my dad and I used to hunt together a lot. And when we were hunting, if it was, if the animal was such and such, we didn't embellish that. It was such and such.

It was so tall, so big, this, that, and the other thing. And we had elected a long, long time ago, just to tell the truth exactly the way it was. And that's how we, well, quite frankly, that's how I live my own life now. And so I don't have to,

I don't have to apologize. Somebody says, well, that's not right. This is how it was. That's not the case. Right, right. You know how it is. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. And you have a sense of being able to read right through other things. But anyway, go ahead. So, Jack, you're around 16, 17 at this time, and it really affects

you, did it affect you in the way where you started to go out looking for yourself, or you just started noticing more and more people telling their big foot stories? Yeah, well, there wasn't a lot of big foot stories out there. There wasn't,

I was not in a physical position, you know, lived close to the woods or something like that or had that type of thing. Matter of fact, any time I would relay that story, and I was in high school, of course, I would relay that story. They would do to me the same thing they're doing to any number of folks today. They figure it was just all cow squeezings, you know, nothing real.

And so you can only get to go so far with that and you stop talking about it because it doesn't do any good. And I think that most of us realize you're in the Bigfoot community that that's what which has happened across the board. There's been so many situations that people get tired of being called liars or hoaxers or any number of other things or maybe insane. I might fit that. Anyway, insane. So we just clam up.

Well, here I am in high school and working my way through there. I'm chasing girls just like every other red-blooded American boy and going through the motions there. and so I've just put it on the back burner for a while. And from time to time, a story would come up and I would read about it, think about it. But they're pretty thin out there. I have wondered about other situations there as far as Bigfoot was concerned. Let me get into it this way. Jerry Cruz was the bulldozer operator in California.

on the, I think it was in the Bluff Creek area, and that's where he first found the footprint, like I mentioned before. And, and, what's his name? Andrew Gizroly kind of designed around his verbiage there, a big foot, and it just kind of snowballed from there as a name. I'm wondering if Roger Patterson, of the, of the, of, of, of, that fame, if he didn't come in contact with somebody or heard about or something, the connection between my relatives and Bigfoot, and if he followed it up on that, because I know he was keenly interested in anything Bigfoot,

but I don't know if that was, excuse me, that my, our episode in 62 had anything to do with his interest in 67. So that, and of course they're all dead now. Right. Except for Bob Gimlin, but yeah, Roger Patterson passed away pretty early. Yeah. Yeah, he had other things going. But anyway, soon you get the idea that while I've always been curious about it, and I wish somebody was around where I could talk to him.

I said, where did you come up with this? Right, exactly. Be able to fill in those blanks, but they'll never be filled so far as I know. But anyway, and that is what it is what it is. So anyway, so 1958 and 1962 was my family's incident with that particular critter. And they never talked about it after that, although my near aunt, her Angie's daughter and I were, well, she was 11 years older than I was at the time. and her and my uncle Ali, they would talk about this, they'd get together, but he never went outside the family. They kept it kind of in the family area.

And even up to her death, you know, just a year or so ago, they never equivocated it at all. It is what it is. And they talked about it. And there's a certain amount of family pride, you might say, in the fact that it even happened to them or with them. Anyway, so with that, they come five years later, 1967, it's a Bob Gimlin, Roger Patterson event, a Buff Creek thing, and the film, and all that kind of stuff. Well, in 1967, I had just got home from Vietnam, okay?

and I'm kind of unwinding my mind from that time on. I did a lot of hunting, did a lot of climbing in the hills. Still, Bigfoot was not on my agenda. Actually, it was just hunting and fishing and all that kind of stuff. And I was out of the service, by the way. I came home and that was it. And then at the same time, I'd started dating this crazy lady that I'm Mary.

We've been together now 57 years. So anyway, so my interest, I don't know if you can follow that, but my interest was off in another direction. And I can't remember where it was that all along I would catch a newspaper article or some glimpse of something that was going on

in the Bigfoot community. And there were kind of tight, you might say. They weren't out there just spreading the news. And even if they did, nobody would believe many ways most of the time. So that was all of that.

But then I started reading by Green and Steenberg, Krantz, Bendernagle, all those people. I started absorbing the books that they had out and their newspaper articles, all of that.

started to backfill what I already knew a little bit. And then as I went along, then I would hear other stories, other situations that would kind of buoy up my area of understanding or lack of. Excuse me. Oh, boy. And all of that. And so the last, I'd say, 10, 15 years now, again, I'm, I'm almost eight.

Boy, I think I've got some Bigfoot bird in my throat. The last 15 years or so, the interest in Bigfoot has blossomed and gone kind of wild. Quite frankly, I wonder about some of that, where it's coming from, and who's filling in some gaps. and I have heard of, like you, have heard of these incidences from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific and to the Gulf and to the Canadian border and beyond. And now they're starting to, you hear it all over the place and you see very reputable incidences in a situation, some not so reputable, I'm sure, but that type of thing. and I'm hearing all about this and I'm reading all about it. And as we go along here, I'm filling in the gaps. There was the other gentleman we don't talk about very much,

mostly because he's passed away as well, it's Harry Truman of Mount St. Helens fame. And can we make a quick, just real quick, because it's going to confuse some people that don't know what we're talking about, Not the president, right? No, no, no, no, not the president. Harry Truman was a name that this gentleman had, and he was a character. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Yeah, I think, quite frankly, he had a number of notables come up to his Spirit Lake Lodge. But whether the president himself ever made it, I don't know. But Harry Truman was a different, a person of a different... different sort completely and I met him once and he the visual of who he was matched the the the rumors of who he was as well he's one of those two guys you could one would overlay the other very nicely but we grew up my wife and I and the kids we drove up to Spirit Lake one time and he he was outside and we're talking a minute he was He gruff?

Oh, my goodness. He'd almost stare you down. What are you doing here? Kind of a thing. I said, well, is this fairly? Yes, it is. You know, and he would go through those, that kind of thing and tell you said, if you got a little store up here, we could buy some ice cream or something.

Then he'd melt. Oh, yeah, because he wanted to make money to come through. But there's a book, I think it's called Harry. I'd have to look up the name of the book again. It tells about that. And his experiences with Bigfoot, and he had them, but he didn't put them out there too much, except for a few people that he trusted. And Harry was forever in the back country, take his horses,

and they'd go for a couple of weeks and be gone, and he would take outsiders with him. They're paying the bill. So he would go with them and different things. From time to time, you'd hear about him mentioning Bigfoot, the big hairy guy, whatever you want to call him, as far as Mount St. Helens and everything. And he never had any that I'm aware of anything negative to pass along. I think we've created our own negativity when it comes to Bigfoot in the main. you take a

an 8 foot tall 600 pound animal and if he wanted to be violent toward us all the time or as a normal thing we'd have to wage war there'd be no way around it but it's only when we put them in in some strange positions

and they want to protect your family or they don't want us in a particular area that I think that they expose themselves to us in such a way that the design is that we will leave. And those places are getting smaller and smaller and harder and harder. We're putting the pressure on them, not by the versa. Oh, I agree 100%. I do want to go back to Mr. Truman for a minute, just to chat a little bit about that. So a lot of people know about Harry Truman.

They'll probably have heard about him because he didn't leave his home leading up to the Mount St. Helen's eruption on May 18, 1980. And he was actually, unfortunately, the pyroclastic flow overtook his lodge. And he was buried and lost his life, correct? Yep, yep, 600 feet deep, they say. That is cats. Right, absolutely. He, I think psychologically, of course, he loved the mountain.

And where he lived, the mountain protected him from outside sources, outside situations. He had had a, I don't want to call it a checkered pass. That's not fair for me to say that, but he was involved with all kinds of different things that you and I would say, wow, I can't do that, but that's what he did. And it was a matter of survival. And he kind of, you might say he wrapped the mountain around him. When you thought about Mount St. Helens, it was Harry Truman. When he was a character.

To finish that story, by the way, after we talked to him a little bit and everything else like that, I'm still, I was a young guy. That's 45 years ago. or actually more than that, 45, 6, 7 years ago when I was there before the mountain picked its guts up and that type of thing. And we were just up on a trip out there poking around

and see what we could see. My wife and I have a hobby. We turn the wheels on that car. We're gone all the time. We poked down, down logging roads, up in corners, everywhere we can go. We dated that way, for peace sakes. Let's go for a drive.

And we would do that and not come back to late at night and wherever we went. And that was our, that was how we did think. So when we had our kids, we would just put them in the car when they were young, of course, and off we'd go. And we got up to the lake there and everything and I asked Harry, I says, I says, is there a way for me to go from here back to Randall without going on the main road? He looked at me with a twinkle in his eye.

He says, just keep going down that road right over there. And I thought at the time, I don't recall it, there's a road right over there. But sure not, there was. It was a logging grade where they, you know, they scalped out a bit of a road. And I thought, we got down in there for a few miles. And I told myself, that Grasco has got me so turned around. I'll never get out of here. And that was a lark for him.

But I fooled him. I found a grade down through there and it kept going and I dropped down to one and I met over to another and pretty soon I did make it to Randle. And that was 45 miles away. PNC Bank brings you. Call of the Wild Money Moves. Shh, listen. Hey, guys.

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And we had little dots in 210, and they're low. And I was afraid of death. I'd get down there and get all hung up, couldn't get out. And it made me a little bit nervous. I have a family, you know. No, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you've got the kids with you.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And anyway, that was interesting. And at the time, I consider him not a friend. Right. I guess you. Yeah. Yeah, after the fact, I decided, you know, he's passed away and by guns, be by guns, and he did what he wanted to do.

And, you know, I consider a treasure. Yes. And he had any dealings with him at all. No, absolutely. It's so cool to be able to think of, you know, having a connection with an individual like that from U.S. kind of folk history. Do you remember any of those Bigfoot stories that Harry would talk about? No, I don't. His daughter, well, it was his stepdaughter that wrote up the book.

It's called Harry, Harry Truman or something like that. It's easy to find. All right. And she wrote about it, but I don't, and she spent summers out at Spirit Lake and everything else like that. It was, that's an intriguing book all by itself, but I don't think she wanted to get too deep into that part of it. First of all, I'm not certain that she knew, I'm reasonably sure she didn't know the nuance of the things that Harry went through,

but he did have, he did have clients, literally clients come up and go hunting, clients come up and do this, that, and the other thing. And Bigfoot was mentioned in it from time to time. So it wasn't a secret, it was just kind of kept on the low, you know what I mean? And it didn't push that issue. And she didn't know enough to go too deep into it either. Right, right. Absolutely.

Yeah, the critter was there and he never, he never wants that I'm aware of, at least in the writings, and in the people around them, discounted that at all. It was a real thing. Yeah. Mount St. Helens is such an interesting thing. when it comes to Bigfoot because the whole area is totally wild with Bigfoot accounts and interactions. You always have it brought up, though, how after the Mountain Blue, you know, you have these stories about like, oh, they were, the Bigfoot were found, hurt, and they came for help, and they were helicopters off. But you can never talk to the people that actually have the reports, right?

you know what I mean? Well, I have a theory on that. Okay. My lie is as good as the next guys, but it's a theory. First of all, I was around people who went in on the helicopters to pick up people, okay? And right after the mountain blue, which was quite an event in itself. But they went around, what do you call it? The helicopters went around.

They were looking for survivors. They were looking for this, that, and the other thing. And there were animals that they would get and pile and everything else like that. And the story goes, and I have no reason to doubt it, and I'll tell you why in a minute. But the story goes that there was a guy or two that was told to guard a particular, I don't know if there's a whole pile of them or a number of whatever it was. They had a tarp over the top of it and they say, don't ever say anything to anybody.

This will cost you if you do. And that was one of the more interesting things. And so after the fact, nobody would say anything until now, all these years later, the fine points of that particular story kind of get washed away and you're not sure which way to go with it. Personally, I believe every jot and tittle of that particular story

because I heard it when it was fresh and remembered those kind of things. At the same time, when they were, whatever it was underneath that canvas was, they were Bigfoot, period, end of the subject.

But they were also picked up and they were brought somewhere over to eastern Washington somewhere. And I believe it was, they didn't want those carcasses laying around out there for people to get, you get the idea, even having a casual understanding

that Bigfoot might actually be real. Oh, sure. So all of that, all of that pits into that matrix of thought process and everything else like that. There's, there are today, as we sit here and talk,

there are any number of people who will swear that, first of all, there's no big fight. That's their business. I don't care what they think. But there's also a body of thought that there's been no carcasses ever. None of them ever been killed. None of them ever been,

had their hands on. Well, I happen to know of, just by reading, I happen to know of anywhere from four to six different accounts where people have killed them, or they have been killed from other purposes, and had their hands on the carcass. Well, it's pretty hard to discredit that if, in fact, you've had your hand on the carcass.

If you've actually been there and seen it and touched it, move body parts around, it's pretty hard to discount that. I think when it comes to truth, the arbiter of truth is not our government. And I don't want to, I'm not, I love my country. I love, I'm a patriot. But I think they oftentimes go off in directions

that they would be far better off just to say, yeah, we located six of these or whatever, a big foot that were killed during the blast Mount St. Helens or this guy would run over the one with the truck and this, all that that guy, why don't they just be honest, transparent? What is the game? And I, I've got theories on that too, but I leave it all the way. It is, it is a question. I don't want to go down trails that I can't, I can't back up. I get it. I get it. It really drives me nuts. Jack, you mentioned that you've heard a few stories about Bigfoot that have been killed and the person has actually had the hand on the creature?

Are those stories that you'd be able to share it all? A little bit, a little bit. The one that fascinates me the most is some young guy, and it was not, it was, I don't know if it was Green's book or Krantz or who, but the, or maybe it was just an article. I can't remember that part with apologies to your listener. But this I do remember. Well, there's two of them. One is Daniel Boone, for Pete's sakes. And I'll get into that in a minute real quick.

Like what, the other is a young lad up in Canada that would shoot a moose occasionally and give it to a native village. It was his excuse to go poach. That's my reading of what was going somewhere. I don't think he'd appreciate me telling it. saying that. But one time he shot a moose and the moose took off. He didn't get it on the first shot.

And that's the type of thing. So anyway, so he tracked it down. He's falling a blood trail, going through the motions. And he gets up, he's wandering through and he looks up in front of him and there's a moose and it looks like it hasn't got down yet.

So he pulled the trigger on it one more time and down it went and that was the end of that. So he walks up on it. It wasn't a moose. It was a big foot on the moose. And he he

it kind of overwhelmed, obviously would overwhelm you a little bit. But he looked over every part of that animal. He looked at the feet. He looked at the hands. He looked at the head. He pushed

things around. It was dead as a mackerel. And he wanted to know more about it, but he had second thoughts about telling anybody about that until years later, of course, and but anyway, because he didn't want to get in trouble. He's out there poaching, you're not going to go through those motions, and I tell myself a thousand times over it. Yeah.

This guy made a big mistake. Oh, my goodness. That was incredible. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So you think about that. And just the fact that you could walk up on one and put your hands in a carcass itself and tell yourself this is what the native stories are all about.

This is the critter we've been hearing about talking about. Here I have. I've killed it. And I'm not condoning or condemning either way. It was a happening. and I think that fantastic just a shame you know those things happen

there's another one at a miners camp that they actually took a picture of it everybody said no that's this that's the other thing they're not such and such but they actually had a cameraman came and this is an 18 I'm unhazard I guess in the middle to the late 1800s

okay and the guy came out to him with this when photography was in its infancy but the owner of the mining camp had the guy come out apparently the big foot had been fishing uh on the on the river system that was close to the camp and they got killed they shot it apparently and uh you know these right now these are all foggy kind of stories. You really can't put your hand or your head around. Sure, sure. And it just drives me nuts. But anyway, they actually took a number of pictures

and they had the guy that guy snuck one of the pictures out after the fact. And it wasn't supposed to take it, but he had it out. And it was printed up. And of course, everybody says, no, that's just a bunch of garbage. That's a bear. That's enough to send me. the thing. So it leaves it up to it leaves it up to those of us who are a little more discerning to say no, a bear wouldn't look like that.

This isn't right, that isn't right, whatever the case is. So it has to be something different and the only thing different that would fit the matrix of what you're looking at is a big fun. So anyway, it's that kind of thing. And of course, you can look at the Daniel Boone thing, which I thought was extremely fascinating. That's another

issue. And had Daniel Bowen himself, not been there, he would have lost his son because that big foot slam. Oh, absolutely. Sun down. Yeah, that's a classic story.

Yeah. It is a classic. And why would he lie about something like that? If he didn't lie about other things, why would he lie about this? You know, and that wasn't, apparently that wasn't the character of the man to begin with. That wasn't his

way of doing business. So, you know, it drives me nuts. So anyway, anyway, anyway, let's see. You know, like I say, I've been collecting stories forever. And I'm pretty, I like to think I'm fairly discerning when I talk to people about their incidences. And I kind of catch them off guard a lot of times. And if I don't think it rings true, and you have a sense of that.

I don't dismiss the person or the story out of hand, but I just don't pass it long and keep it to myself and be done with it. But let's see. Where do you want to go? Well, I got a question for you here. So you had mentioned that, you know, you've heard so many things over the years. And as you said, a few times, you know, some of them don't really come up to snuff. But some of them, you're like, okay, this feels legit. are there any that really stick out in your mind that you're like wow this account there's

something about this account that uh it is a hundred percent good to go yeah yeah i'll give you one uh i'll give you one uh i've got a a friend whose son and his son is now i've got to be close to 50 anyway and uh he and his partner hunting partner uh if you if you take a map of the park we call it the park it's mount rainier national park what part of the country are you from my grandma i'm from central i'm i've been out to oregon a few times and i'm i know exactly what you're talking about when you say raneer yeah okay okay i wanted to put it in perspective sure but if you take them if you took the map of the mount rainier national park and you drew a line from the north west corner to the southwest corner. There is, that is all timberland out just on the edge of the park. And so the park itself becomes a sanctuary for anything that's in and around it. Okay.

Outside, outside in the timberlands there, I used to hunt that a lot when I was a kid. That's been a thousand years ago. When I was a kid, a hunted all that was eight thousands and thousands and thousands of acres. and for the most part, you walked in. You didn't get the ride in and the truck. For a few years you did, and then they closed that off. But anyways, so it was itself a sanctuary. PNC Bank brings you

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the lumber con, the timber con companies, rather, wouldn't let people go in there on anything with wheels. You had to walk, and they didn't want you overnight. Well, now that's very limiting. There's just one patch of ground with 130,000 acres. You're not going to cover much of that on foot in the course of one day and then have to be back out again. So that was what was going on.

And there was an area there close to the park, about midstream on that map, north and south, that the Mauich River, the Puyallup River, and in between them, the rushing water, it came off the glacier. I don't know if they called it a river or a creek, but it was a pretty good go. It came out through a flat,

and that's where the elk would hang out, the deer would hang out, and during that time of the year, or time of year, rather, and we would start at three in the morning and walk in or hunt like a cools, and then come out in the dark every time. I almost lost my life going through those motions once.

But anyway, in doing that, some of the guys would pack in a light tent and sleeping bag and a little bit of food, and they would make the night of it, and they weren't supposed to, but it did anyway. And this one gentleman, whom I know very well, because I've known as, I know, I've known, I've known, and his dad for boy right at 50 years that's like it might be 50 years come think of it anyway they were in there

and there's the ground cover in that particular area is waist high or better and this large flat had alders in it and whatnot and you can see pretty good through there but at that in the evening

when this gentleman went out he He says, I'm going to go out and take a look around. I don't think the season was actually open until the next morning. But he wanted to go take a look around and see if the help were in the area, what was going on, and this, that, and the other thing. So he took off and left his partner back at what they would call their campsite. And he's walking up this trail through there. We used to call it the water spur because when the old railroads, logging railroads ran up through there,

they had to get water for the engines and whatnot when that was done right there anyway but it's all grown up so he's walking along and the ground fog was such that it's hard to see and in the evening and and everything else like that so he's poking around not not paying a lot of attention to anything other than elk that's looking for elk rather and he's looking down, he's looking for tracks, this, that, and the other thing, he looks up, and about 75 yards away, here is Bigfoot standing there both, just as a sunrise. And with, I think both of them were a little bit surprised. But the Bigfoot never moved a muscle

and looked right at him. And this gentleman, and he raised the rifle, put the crosshairs right on the head. And he could have shot it. It would have been easy enough. And it was a 300 Winchester. So it would have went down like a sack of crap, quite frankly. But anyway, he looked at it and he says it was just too human.

It was out of his range of thought. And he didn't know what to think. So he lowered his rifle and he turned around to leave. And he made a few steps. And then he said to himself, this is stupid, turning my back on this thing. And it was all of the eight foot tall variety, which is pretty common. Anyway, he turned around and it was not there. And it had just disappeared.

And I don't believe, and I let other people have their thoughts. I don't believe that they just disappear in that context. They'll drop down, they'll step behind a stump, they'll, depending on where they can do all kinds of things to not be seen. And they move fast enough that in a few steps that this other guy made to get away, if Bigfoot had made that corresponding steps in the other direction, other direction left or right, you wouldn't have seen him either. I mean, I've stood right there and watched bull elk practically disappear in the same, in the same situation.

And deer and bear and everything else, I've hunted deer, bear, elk, and not all of them. And I'm very familiar with what they are capable of doing, and they will surprise you, absolutely surprise you to know what they can do. Anybody's any kind of hunting at all for very long will come up with situations that, and they just have to, they don't know what to think. You know, we didn't just disappear. It was vaporized,

no, it took three steps in one thing, or it dropped down in a hole. Now, there's other, all kinds of stories out there where these critters have dropped down into a hole completely,

and you didn't see them at all. But it wasn't because it disappeared, because it went out of sight. And there's a whole different genre, I thought on that one as well. Oh, sure. That's a whole, a whole different chat you could have.

Can they camouflage? Can they just drop down a hole? Like you said, I mean, you can go. A lot of stories have a lot of different ways of looking at it for sure. That's a wild account of that happening in Mount Rainier National Park. So have you heard of it? National Park is full of that type of thing. Oh, absolutely.

Not just that one, all of it. In the park, outside of the park, around the eastern. side of it, it's more open, but there's as many or more sightings over there as there's anywhere else. And it just happens to be that it's more of a sanctuary. The park has no spiritual thing going on. It just, it's left alone with the exception of, I don't know how many millions of people literally drive in and out of the park, but they stay right on the road.

They don't go very far. There's a handful of people that, oh, actually better than that, they go up and down trails. but even those places, there's any number of places that are just still wilderness. You can get lost on a city park area, a square block, and some of that kind of stuff. Oh, absolutely. You know, you never know. Anyway. Have you heard anything that's happened on the west side of the park over by Ashford, Washington?

Well, that's part of this. Ashford is very rich. The Busy Wilde runs, there's a crick and a road system that runs right up to Ashford going, that'd be west to east. And then the mineral and Ashford, Mineral, Ashford, and Elbe are all kind of a triplex in that same area within a eight to ten mile area circle.

Okay. and there's forever stories about those. I'd have to, well, I knew a gal that was, graduated two years ahead of me. Both my wife and I graduated in February high school right after we got off the arc, I think. 60, you get the idea. 64, 66.

But anyway, I think she got, she got, She graduated in 62. She had a little home, had a little home business there right in the Ashford area, right on the highway. And I think it was her or a neighbor friend of hers that they were actually habituating Bigfoot for a while. So that's an ongoing thing. Mineral, the next town over, they've seen those any number of times.

I'm not actually talked to anybody's. that was close enough to an actual account there that I can fill in details other than there forever saying, well, I've got a friend. That's, you know, the next town over would be south would be Morton. You've heard of Morton, I would assume. Oh, yeah, because the Highway 12 corridor, you know, I mean, that's their story upon story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, anyway, my buddy's got 30-some acres up at what we call Summit Creek right at the top there.

And he's there from time to time. He uses it for firewood and camping, but he doesn't live there because snow's too deep in there in the winter. And it's kind of isolated a little bit. But anyway, they've had them right down the edge of his property across the road and right down into a place they call Storm. King Mountain on the other side. And that's not terribly common, but it certainly isn't uncommon, uncommon rather, there and there. All of that country is tied to all of the rest of the country there. There's the fingers of that.

Very few places that are, other than town itself, wouldn't support a big put. And then you go to Mort now this next, not this weekend, but the following weekend, We're having a big foot rendezoo kind of a thing. Squatch watch, I think they call it, and out of Brandl. And I'll be a speaker there. And so this is a good tune-up for that. Anyway, I'll be a speaker there along with Sarah and John

and Shane Carson, a whole bunch of those guys from that area. But right, right, I know of, I counted it up the other day, 15 or 16 different accounts from there on the west side, west end of that highway 12, up to up to the start of the pass is less than 40 miles. And I've counted 15 or 16 different accounts that I'm aware of in that area. Anywhere you go, once you start, once you crack that nut, you find that there's all kinds of stuff going on. Oh, absolutely. I mean, and the Browns have a fantastic documentary about Highway 12. I know you're in that one as well, right?

Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, I'm the ugly guy with the mustard-colored coat. That's funny. And I take my ugliness with a certain amount of pride. I mean, I'm 80 years old. I worked hard for that. There you go. Jack, I've got one more question for you. And thank you so much for spending so much time with us today. I hear a lot about from the Packwood area.

Is that really as active as people will say, do you think? Or Morsel. Wow. We, for 21 years, my wife and I went, like I say, we're always out. And we bought a piece of property three miles west of Packwood. and so we lived there we build an off-grid home buyers in an isolated place on

Forest Road 20 if you ever get up that direction it's it's not the home today that it wasn't when we built it and people don't take care of things the same but anyway and the word we lived on them with 13 miles

I'll give you this story we went 13 miles to the top and the top is at Jackpot Lake is 4,500 feet. There's a leak up there. Same level as the, as White Pass. It's up and down and rugged country.

I had been in there, and I hunted in there. I was a bow hunter for 30 years. And we hunted all of that country all the time. Did we ever see a biglet? No. Was I ever run out of the country because I think there was one? Absolutely.

There's places within, I just walk from my home and I'd be up on a ridge line and going hunting in there and something would stop. I've never been stopped by a bear or a cougar. Those things don't bother me. PNC Bank brings you

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And then farther up on the ridge, my wife and I both. we're on a trail that we, it was common to us, and we got part of the way up there, and we looked at each other and said, we don't belong here. And we left. And but the next time up, we can go right on through.

Up at the lake, there's a pothole lake called jackpot at the very top I was telling you about. I had my canoe out there back when I, I could use it. Don't get old if you can help it. And if you do get old, stay young with it, would you?

Anyway, The upshot is I'm on the lake there was not a sound, there's not a puff of wind, there was not a bug, you're a bird, or nothing. And I'm trying to fish, and I'm a fly fisherman. And I'm thinking, this is, you know, this is kind of spooky today. It was getting toward the evening, and I like the evening fishing anyway. And also, for no reason this tree, and I don't know how big it was, but I figured it had to be six, eight, ten inches in diameter anyway

to make that kind of noise when it fell. And we're in the tall timber. We're in a patch of timber that is pristine. And so I thought to myself, so why don't you take your canoe up to the other end of the lake where you can see what happened? So I'm paddling along. I get right up there to the shore

and I'm looking up to the timber up there and it was reasonably clear. There was no wind. There was no reason for that tree to just up and fall over dead. And I had that saying, you don't belong here feeling. I turned a canoe around. I went home. That happens.

And another story that here, and this is as truly as the gospel. And it reminds me, well, anyway. This gentleman who hunted all the hills around there, I envy his physical prowess. He was able to do what he wanted to do and go where he wanted to do. Some of those things I could do at the time, but not near like he could do. Anyway, he was up beyond the lake, and the only way to get out is to come back down the same road you went in, 13 miles long. and he came up to a place and out in front he's coming back

he's trying to come back and he looks in the road in front of them and there's a big foot standing right in the road and he was maybe 75, 80 yards, who knows, I don't know, but it was close enough that he could see everything he needed to see and the animal was just standing there,

and he had something in his hand, And he would go back and forth. And he was like, I don't think he would be beating on his chest, but he was irritated and yelling and screaming and everything. It scared this guy so bad. He didn't know whether he's going to get out of there or not. Just sitting there in the car. And so after a while, I think the big put kind of settled down a little bit

and realized that he was in the road and he didn't want to be there. and the animal was carrying something apart. Okay. And when it was done, it was, he left it on the ground. It went over the bank. The animal went over the bank, down through the, excuse me, down through the timber and everything.

And so finally the guy says, I got to go home. The only way to go home is keep going. So he drove up, he stopped right there where the animal had crossed the road because he wanted, he opened the door enough to look down to see what the animal had in his hand. And it happened to be a feminine napkin.

And for some reason, well, I think I think we can guess the reason. But it had enraged him or drove him nuts of some sort. And he just went crazy on there. But the guy that then he finally got out of there. went home and talking to him later he says that's one place i will never go again i'm not hunting there and he'd hunt all that country and he wouldn't he would not go he wouldn't take a chance my thinking on that too though is where can you go that you're not going to run into eventually run into something like that yeah i don't i don't deal with that i just i would go

head and go, but I would keep my head on a swivel. I know that. Oh, absolutely. And not because, and not because I think that they're inherently dangerous. They are dangerous to expect in one respect. They're huge. You talk about an eight foot something that weighs 600 pounds and could literally tear your head off. Well, if that was what they wanted to do.

But I think all we really want to do is, you know, make a little space. Leave me alone. And I look at it from that perspective. I have been in so many places. Even as we're talking, different situations are coming up in my mind that I've talked to people about places. And then you have people that have had those experiences and they won't go beyond the fact that I'm pretty sure I saw one. That's where they stop. They won't get into the details because there's too many people out there ready to pick apart their story.

And none of it's like that. I find it, I just get numbed over to it. I figure every fuzzy picture, you've got to be a big foot. All the clear ones aren't. There you go. Especially today with, yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah, Jack, what a conversation.

I mean, you've got a lifetime of listening to people share their needs. encounters and thank you for sharing some of those today and you know stuff that uh it's very interesting from one side of the of the Washington to the other and thank you for coming on the show I hope your uh yeah Randall goes well for you that's coming up in a few weeks the uh I believe it's weekend two weeks too yep yep Sasquatch beyond the footprint and uh if if this is out afterwards people need to make sure they go next year too because it's I mean it's going to be a great festival from what it looks like. A lot of good people there.

Yeah. Yeah. But I think so. We're looking forward to it. There won't be near enough time to share all the stories. Oh, absolutely. 100%. But yeah, Jack, thank you so much for coming on this show.

And we'll have to keep in touch. Thank you. Yeah. Don't leave yet or sign yourself off whatever you need to do. I need to get your phone number because I want to call you right back for something else. Can I do that? Oh, actually, how about this?

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