Bigfoot Society - Sasquatch Encounters Transform Witness at Packwood Lake, Washington

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

For more than 40 years, Matthew has experienced unexplained encounters across some of the most active Bigfoot country in North America.His journey begins during a childhood hunting trip in Oregon's Starkey Unit before leading to unforgettable experiences at Packwood Lake, Washington, where he describes hearing a mysterious message in his mind, discovering unusual footprints, witnessing unexplained activity around the lake, and feeling an unseen presence in the forest.As the years continued, the encounters spread throughout Washington and Idaho. Matthew shares accounts of strange vocalizations, crying babies deep in remote timber, glowing lights moving through the wilderness, recurring dreams, game camera images near Mount St. Helens, and a recent expedition that produced recorded vocalizations and a 15-inch footprint cast.Throughout this conversation, Jeremiah Byron and Matthew explore the patterns connecting these experiences, the role of intention in the field, and the questions that continue to shape Matthew's understanding of the Sasquatch phenomenon.Locations featured in this episode include:• Starkey Unit, Oregon• Packwood Lake, Washington• Susan Creek and Yacolt, Washington• Sunset Falls and Yacolt Mountain, Washington• Neal Canyon near Ketchum, Idaho• Mount St. Helens, Washington• Mazamitla, Jalisco, MexicoWhether you've spent years researching Bigfoot or you're hearing eyewitness testimony for the first time, this episode offers a fascinating journey through decades of firsthand experiences across the Pacific Northwest and beyond.📖 Follow Jeremiah's cancer health updates here:https://www.caringbridge.org/site/569ef3d3-68be-11f1-8790-97fdfd2bbc64🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072

You're listening to Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first-hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways, the stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it, so settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey, please go to the Caring Bridge link in the show notes. Thank you.

All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Matthew today. Matthews got some extremely interesting things that have happened over the years out there in the Pacific Northwest. And so we're going to be talking about that today. This will be one of the episodes where we'll be chatting back and forth. I always check with the individual to see what they would be more comfortable with and that came up. So we will definitely be doing that and that'll make for a fun time. So Matthew, welcome to the show.

How are you doing today, sir? I'm good. Thank you. Hello, everyone. Absolutely. You want to make sure, you know, if you're, you head on over to the YouTube side. If you're not over there, you'll see a nice background. Matthew's got some plants.

I know he's got a few fish back there. Probably once he does, but the plants are nice. So, but Matthew, so, man, I know we've got a lot to go into, but let's start back at the beginning. So was Bigfoot a thing where you grew up with it or was there an experience that kicked things off for you? And you're like, wow, what is going on in the woods out here? So the, so the first time, first time I ever like had any type of like recollection of Bigfoot, Sasquatch, what I do you want to call it, was actually at hunting camp when I was like in third grade. And that was in the Starkey unit in Oregon. And I totally talked to my brother about this recently in October.

And I remember my dad and my grandfather arguing. And my dad's saying something about red eyes. And my grandfather looking at me and saying, well, grizzly bears have red eyes. And then his wife at the time, my dad's wife at the time, looking at us and saying, they're just talking about grizzly bears. And then the crazy part is this, is that trip, we'd killed a bunch of deer. I didn't, but my family did. And we had hung him and bagged them and everything.

And I remember in the middle of the night, us turned it on the lights of our truck on the deer. And that's all that I really remember. And then I've actually asked my dad about that. And because my dad's had stuff happened. And he just, he doesn't really talk much about it. But he was he was kind of like, yeah, we were arguing about that. Now that I'm older, we're a little more open about it. That was like the first time ever that I'd ever remember anything.

And then it kind of, and then, you know, light goes on and you grow. And then the Packwood Lake incident started that I originally reached out to you about. And then honestly, ever since that, like, man, not every time, but you hear people say stuff like you get tagged or marked or whatever it is. But I'll tell you what, man. Like the last like, gosh, four or five times I've been in the woods, stuff's happened in different parts of the world. Which is crazy to me. And now I'm to the point where I'm starting to. think that okay maybe it's maybe whatever you want to call it right tagged i think it's more of just

like frequencies and energy and things and i think that they can recognize that in certain people is my personal opinion and i think that i think that they just kind of see that you're more open to things is what it was what i's what i think's really going but anyway that's another conversation so yeah that was that was a long long kind of though that's i mean that was the first time ever and then the crazy part is this is that my whole childhood there was always like we didn't have internet so we had like a hallway with a with like a library like shelves with books right and and my dad always had just books about bigfoot and things like that and it wasn't called saskwatch back then it was always bigfoot you know what i mean because it was so way back in the day i'd never even heard the term

saskwatch and that's something i actually want to talk about with the packwood lake incident oh yeah because because the stuff that happened it was so when i was in packwood lake do you want me just to kind to get into that. Before we do, I just want to, and this is more because I'm curious, so when you say Starkey Unit, are you saying Starkey by Ukiah? I don't, I've never heard of Yucaya. I know we used to drive through Pedleton. We used to drive through Pedalton, go into Oregon and then head up into the unit called Starkey Unit. There's a place called Fly Creek in that, in that area. And that was an, that was an area that, that's when that happened. We used to hunt there every year. Crazy part too is this. This is

that my dad stopped hunting. Like he like he totally like there was like we went back like two more times and then that was it. He totally stopped hunting and his whole life like it was all we, that's all we used to do was go to honey camp. Like that's how it was raised. It's crazy. And and he, but he won't, but he won't like really say that's why.

You know what I mean? Absolutely. So yeah, looking at the map, it is over there. It's a little east of Yucaya. And then, I mean, yeah, dude, there's, I've talked to some other people around that area, too. There's, there's Bigfoot stuff that happens for, for sure. What year was that again? Gosh, that was, that was, that was, that was, how old are you in third grade?

How old are you in third grade? What? Eight, nine? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that, so that was in the early 80s. Okay. Okay, so we're similar ages, yeah. Yeah, like, I'll be 48 this year.

So that was, so that was. I was so that was probably, so I was born in 78, so that was probably 87 maybe, 86 to 88, somewhere in there. Somewhere in there. Whatever you have rolled you are in third grade. I haven't really figured out the date on that. So then that experience, did it affect you pretty intensely or is it, you mentioned, and I know a little bit about there's Packwood Lake coming. Is that,

is it a later experience that really set things off, would you say? So I didn't even, so to be honest with you, up until after Idaho, when I kind of told you that I had blacked out and everything, which we'll talk about,

I didn't really even understand anything. Like, I never really even, like, it didn't really, I was, I just, it just wasn't a reality.

Like, it wasn't, like, I didn't, No, not at all. Not in a way that I would be able to like I am now older. And so I understand what's really going on. I've had different experiences. No, not at all. Like didn't affect me in any way. Still raising the woods, still hunted, still fish, did all that stuff. And it never, I'd never even thought about it. I even went like when I was in middle school, we would go to Chief Aluska back in the day and we would go to the as a school function. And he would do like the wild woman in the woods dance and all that kind of stuff. And they would take the, they would take the kids and put him in the basket and all that special. And I didn't even really understand then what was really going on. Now I totally understand what's going on because I know that they're real. But I know there's a bunch of crazy stuff going on with them.

It's not what some people think they are, right? So no, I didn't really honestly kind of, it didn't come to until later in life when I was, I started like crypto PTSD when podcasts first started in YouTube and things. I just ran into like crypto PTSD. and then I was like hearing these stories and I was like man I've had all that stuff happened to me like holy crap and then I and then I kind of like

was putting two to two together and I was like holy crap like this and it was explaining everything that had been happening to me and I didn't really put it together until I was older to be honest with you. Okay okay yeah very interesting so would Pack would be

the next logical stop to go to on things that you've experienced? Yeah so So Packwood Lake, so back in the day, Packwood Lake, and that was in, we would hike into Packwood Lake Memorial Day on my buddy's birthday. And the first time we did that, we backpacked in. And that was in 1993. Before we had driver's licenses and we were into, we just got into float tubing. We were big fly fishermen back in the day. And so we, and back then, back then back then back then back then back then back then back then back then back. And back then back then back then back then back then back then back then back then back then, that runs off. And that. And with like the goat rocks and Johnson Peak and everything right there. And there's a beautiful campsite right there where the creek fed into the lake. And we would camp there. And so the first time we backpacked in there was for my buddy's birthday with his dad.

And so I was, I packed in a float tube. And we're talking like old school metal frame. Right. And now that I'm older, it's like, wow, I had canned goods. It was super heavy. But serious crazy part. So we hike in and this is what happened. And I'm just going to dive into it.

Okay, because I've only talked with one other person about this incident. I didn't talk about this on the last time I did something like this, and I really don't talk about this because it's just kind of crazy, right? But then I had something else happen later in life that made you realize that it's real. So soon as we hit the cabin on Packwood Lake, there's like a ranger cabin, I guess, or whatever it is, right? I don't know if you've ever been there or not. Now apparently, I guess there's people all over the place there.

But you hit the ranger cabin. then you take a break because it's about a five mile hike and then you start to loop around the left side of the lake. And so when we started to loop around the left side of the lake, my buddy's dad was first, my buddy was next, and there's an island in Backwood Lake. And so I remember putting on my backpack and starting to walk around the left side of the lake.

And I was looking at the island. And so here's the crazy part. And this is the part where I wonder sometimes what it really is because of what happened. Something, and it was literally a, boy said that's where that's where the bigfoot sleep and and when I was looking at the island and I was it kind of caught me off guard I was like well I didn't really didn't really put two and two together right so I so I and I wanted to catch up with my buddy and his dad so I'd

know and I'm the got the head of his pack so I'm lagging behind so I'm trying to catch up with them and I didn't really I didn't really understand what it was people call it mind speak I to me it's telepathy because I've had it happen with a a person not like a real light person before one other time later in life. And that's when I kind of recognized what was going on in Packwood because I had to happen with an actual human. So, and that's what I was like, because this what happened in Packwood, right? So then that trip, and here's the crazy part. So that trip, we hiked and spent the night the next morning, I woke up and I pumped up my float tube, got the water, right? And it was super early. And I went on, and on, I don't know about

now, back in the day, you could only take the trail around. toward the creek fed into the lake and then head up towards Johnson Peak and everything. And we would hike Johnson Peak and snowgrass flats every summer in August and do that too, come back around. And that's another conversation. Never had anything happen up there only a packwood. But there wasn't a trail that went around the other side of the lake. It was only like up to that and then up to the goat rocks, right?

So I get in my float tube and I'm paddling, right? And I'm going around that side of the lake and I'm dragging woolly boogers and I'm catching trout. And when I reached that side of the lake, a tree, I thought a tree fell. Now that I'm older, I understand that that's not really a thing. Like, in all the years, I've spent in the woods after that. I've never heard or seen a tree fall or anything. And it was big. So, and the crazy part is so this thing fell.

Now I think it got pushed over, right? And it kind of scared me a little bit. And I remember, like, having the feeling of like, holy crap, that's really weird, right? And so I kind of started paddling away. and you got these like fins on right up here over did float tube you got these things you can't move that fast right right right try to like get away and i'm trying to head towards the other side the other side of the lake where our camp is and and so and then all of a sudden there was a couple loons that and now i don't think there were loots so there was there was these loons that kept going back and forward

which i thought in the time were loons making noise but i could there was no lutes right you couldn't see it um so and and now that i'm older i i i'm I honestly think what was going on because I had another Packwood Lake experience with 11 other people where we saw Prince a few years later. So coming out of that creep bed going into the lake and I can talk about that too. And so now I think what was really going on is I think whatever said that to me. And I'm kind of on the fence of if that's really Bigfoot Sasquatch or something else. Because to me it seems like every time you hear mind speak or not every time but a lot of the times, it's always in some type of third person. It's not like it's like it didn't say that's where we sleep, right?

It said that's where the Bigfoot sleep. And it didn't use the word Sasquatch either. And at the time, the only thing that I knew of was Bigfoot. I'd never even heard the term Sasquatch. So there's some interesting things that happened now that I'm older and I kind of look at everything because of all the other experiences I've had. And I'm kind of like, okay, that's weird to me that it wasn't, that's where we sleep or you know what I mean? So I wonder sometimes when people talk about mindspeaker telepathy,

is it really them or is there something else going on? And that's a totally different conversation. But yeah. It's it's such an interesting conversation to, so to ask you specifically about, so you heard certain, some say that's where the Bigfoot sleep on the island. because I've experienced this as well. And it's always weird to think about. But did you, some people say, well, it sounded inside my head. Some people are like, it sounded like I heard an actual voice like outside of my head. It was a voice inside my head and it was on the right side of my head.

The same side of my head is when the woman did that. And the crazy part about the woman is that I actually can. connected with her after the fact, like a year later, and she admitted it. And there was a bunch of crazy stuff with that. And she's the only person I've ever met that I would say has the ability with telepity. So she admitted to talking to you in your mind. It took me, it took me a really long time to get her to open up about it because it was a crazy, like it's a crazy scenario.

And she's had something happen where she knew. I knew I was into Sasquatch. She knew that I was open to things and she was working for me and she came in in the middle of a morning meeting. I used to run a huge sales room and she had left and she was like it almost looked like she was strung out when she came in like she was shaken and scared and she had something happened. And before that she had asked me about Sasquatch and she said, do they speak to you? And I'm like and I didn't know how to respond to that. Now I understand why she was saying that because she has all kinds of stuff going on. And she said, She, when she left, I told her to do whatever she needed to help her something.

She left. She walked down the hall. I came out of my secretary's office and something in my head and a woman's voice said, help me. And I totally stopped in the hallway and thought I was going crazy. Like literally stopped and was like, what was going on? I literally thought I was going crazy. And I kind of looked back at my secretary. She looked at me with this weird look and I didn't say anything and I just went back to work.

And then like a year later, and she didn't work for me after that. She totally left and then I reached out to her and kind of told her what was going on and told her a little bit more in depth about my life and things like that. And then she kind of opened up a little bit and things like that. And that's, so yeah, so I mean, it's left with these real authority to prove it. But so, and that's why sometimes I wonder if it's really Sasquatch that's speaking to people or if it's something else because I just, not all, but I hear a lot of people use it in like a third, third party, right?

Like it doesn't seem like a lot of them are first person. And it's an interesting and the right side of the brain. It's an interesting pattern is all I'm saying. I have no clue. That really is. The one, let's see, the, so I experienced that. I think I've maybe brought up a few times. It was actually before, it's really weird when you think about it.

It was, I was in Tennessee. This is a few months ago. I was taking a nap in a cabin where people get chased out of the cab. cabin on this area. Like, it's very active. And so I'm taking a nap, trying to take a nap, and it's in, like, you're just dozing off. So you're in that area. Yeah, right.

And I hear something in my ear say, say, gotcha. And I was like, oh, my goodness. Like, I got out of that cabin and I went back to the other people. And then when I got back home, that's when all the cancer stuff started kicking off, which is, you know, maybe just a coincidence. but it's it's weird so so how did you know you experienced this this really interesting stuff at packwood lake which that area packwood washington is so so incredibly active there's so many accounts that i've alone gotten from that area how did that affect you after that in in that point of your life so it really didn't like i because i

didn't understand i just didn't i was young i didn't get it right so it really didn't so i so i so i went on with life. So we would do that backpacking trip every year with friends and not his dad after that and the group got bigger and bigger. And then basically there was in 1995, I wrote down some dates here. In 1995, 11 of us backpacked in there. And when we woke up, the second morning we woke up, there was a trackway that came out of the creek and it went into the lake, but it stopped about 20 minutes, about 20 feet from the lake, and it just totally disappeared. And the funny part was this, is, and I literally remember looking at my buddy and saying, dude, look at those footprints. Like, there's something weird in the middle because there was like this huge archway. Now I

understand it was a mid-tarsal break. And back then I had no clue. And they were totally in a straight line, too. And all these things I didn't have any clue, right? But I remember these details. And I remember all of this like looking at them and everything. And then they were about, so Ian, my buddy Ian is about six, two, six three. And he's a brick mason. His old family were brickmasons. They built Safeways and stuff. And he was wearing Sorrel boots because it had snowed.

And he's got like a size 12. And they were, the footprints were about as big as his Sorrel boots. So barefoot. So that, so like if it was a shoe, it would be, you know, size 14, size 15, whatever it is, right? So they were good. They were, I mean, they weren't huge. They weren't like the ones I saw in October, but they were good size. And it was, it just looked like the middle of the foot had like a ridge pushed up like in the, in the middle.

And now I understand it was what people call a mid-tarsal break. But they just stopped, too. That was the weird part. Like the traffic, they totally just stopped. And it was like, well, we all were kind of like, well, did it jump into the lake? Like, or like, what happened to the, like, because it just totally stopped. And it came literally out of the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, the, uh, the, the, creek bed. And then later on, the crazy part is later on after that, we all woke up and we're all being

kids. We're all juniors and seniors in high school, right? So we're just being juniors and seniors and we had kind of hyped up into the creek a little bit. And Ian was climbing up these trees and grabbing the tops and like bringing them down and and like falling and catching himself to other trees. Right. And it was actually pretty impressive. But I remember, and he was, and he was making monkey noises because he was kind of just because he was acting like a monkey right um and i remember when he did that i remember looking up the creek and i just got this feeling of uh of like something not good like it wasn't a good feeling and i had that other feeling later on in my life too and i know um so and and now that now i i wonder if there was something watching us in the woods

you know what i mean oh sure because of that whole feeling and everything yeah back with was kind of crazy. That's what it kind of started. But I still didn't, it still wasn't like a, like I was just so young and just, I had a crazy life. So I'll, I'll talk a little bit about that when I get into Idaho and stuff. So, so, man, you must have, there must have been a situation. And maybe it comes much later, but there must have been a time when it just hit you like a ton of bricks and you made all the connections about everything in your life. And that was later in life. And that's the crazy part.

Even all the stuff in Idaho and the stuff that happened when I, so I mean, yeah, it all, there was a point where it all kind of connected and it was a real eye opener for me. And then it was the point of, okay, who do I even talk to about this, right? Like podcasts were just getting started. I don't know if you've ever heard of crypto PTSD like YouTube. I have. That was like super old school. That was like the first of YouTube.

I would watch. Then, like, Wes started his stuff, right? And then, and then it was like just all kind of beginning is, when all that was beginning is when I started hearing these stories, and it was all the same stuff that happened to me.

I mean, I've, I've ran the gamut of everything from lights to experience to babies in the woods, like little kids laughing. Like, all that stuff. I've had everything except for like a fruttle, literally like looking right out.

me, but I did have the thing in Idaho that I, my first thought was, oh, looking the buffalo, right? But there's no buffalo where I was lit it. And now I, now I realize what I think it was, was one on all fours walking out of my camp. And that's what we can talk about that a little bit or whenever. Wow. So would you say that, that Idaho would be the next, the next place where you experience things or were there other things that happened between Packwood Lake and Idaho, do you think? So I was raised in like a battleground yackel area like sunset falls yakol battle battleground that I was raised in it right so we would so our are kind of getting away from just being kids is we would drive to the mountains and camp and things like that. So there's an area on the S 5,000 road up by Susaw Creek and there's a campground right there. The next thing that actually happened that I think might have been something was me and my buddy went up there and we'd hike down the creek and we had we'd spent the night.

We were just kind of pinched rooster tails, and we, we hiked down, made a bed out of ferns. I took a bunch of moths, put ferns on top of it, spent the night out there. And then in the next morning, something was walking around us in a circle. And I remember waking my buddy up and saying, hey, like, dude, there's something there, right? And he had really down allergies and stuff. So he kind of just woke up, he had boogers and stuff. And he was like, kind of looked at me, heard it. And it was like, oh, it must be a deer, right?

And I, and I, a deer don't, like, it was not a deer at all. So that, that's like the only thing that I, I remember happening, um, between that and Idaho, right. Um, so that, that I could say possibly could have been something. Um, so yeah. And then I, and then I ended up moving to Catcham, Idaho when I was in 1997 and, and lived there for a while and, and had just had some really crazy stuff happen there. So. talking about the battleground area. Do you remember the name of the campground? Was that over in, that's in Schamania County? I'm not sure. I don't think that's Schamania County. So when you drive up,

so when you drive through Yackel and you head up, there's a, on the backside of Yale, so there's, on the backside of Yale, there used to be what we would call an IP road, and you could get up on that IP road if he didn't have a key, and you could go up the top of Susaw Creek and come back down. So on the way up past Canyon Creek, you drive past Canyon Creek, And there's a, and there's like a campground who drive down in the Canyon Creek and then you keep driving. It's the S-5,000. And when you drive up on the S-5,000, there's a bridge. And then there's a campground that you pull off and go down.

And there's not really a name for it. There might be now. Back then, back then it was just a pull-off, right? But yeah, the S-5,000 up on the backside of the Piackel and Tucson Creek is, I mean, I've spent so many weekends up there. Yeah, just interesting. And what was the year that you had that happened at the campground? So that was when that must have been 1996, I think, somewhere around there. Yeah, I was still, I was still, that was in 1996.

I was still in high school, man. Okay. Awesome. And so you had said that, so then you moved out to Idaho to catch them and there was a lot of activity that was happening out there. So, so I had moved out to catch him. with a friend of mine and his girlfriend, and we knew someone there.

And so we were just, I mean, we were young and just kind of, you know, on our own and stuff. And so we'd move there. And so this is the part I've been to talk about some things in my past life. And I won't dive into a lot of it.

But so I was living there and I was, I got to a point there were some of my friends and I were running marijuana from battleground. And we would run loads of marijuana from there and to catch them. and I would sell it, right? And I got to a point where the roommate that I was living with, I had moved out from my buddy and he lived with his girlfriend and I got a roommate. It was so much that he wasn't comfortable with me having in the house.

And I totally get it, right? Now that I'm older, I totally get it. He was older than me. And so he was like, dude, this is a felony. You can't be in the house. And so what I would do is in the summertime, I would actually live in the woods. And so I would, I had an old Toyota with a canopy and a safari rack.

And I had a wolf hybrid dog, et cetera, et cetera. And I would drive back to battleground, pick up loads of weed for my buddies who would grow it and get it from Canada and then drive it back and sell it. And what I would do is I would bury it. It was all vacuum sealed. So I would bury it in the ground in case someone like a gay morden or whoever, right? They would catch me with it. And I was up in one of my main areas I would camp was Neal Canyon. So if you drive through Ketcham and you go up north and you go up into Neal Canyon and you take a right.

and you take a ride, there's a place up there. And now I think it's a little more developed. It's been years, but I Google mapped it a while ago. So before I started running marijuana up there, I was doing chinking work on a big log cabin right there that had a big horse arena and stuff like that. And so that's how I knew on a lunch break, I drove up in the mountains and was checking out camps once.

So that's why I knew how to get up there, right? So I was actually, and you could stay in a spot for about 14 days before the Rangers would come in and make you move because you can't really live there, right? So I had a couple locations where I would kind of bounce around. And I was, so the whole time I was there, and I'm just going to dive into this. And this is one of the most crazy things that it's ever happened to me. And I'm not proud of this story because of something I did, but I'm totally open to talk about it.

And people can just think whatever they want. I really don't care. So I, when I was in there, I had a wolf hybrid dog that the whole time I was there every single day, it was like, these coyotes would try to call her out during the day, during the night. And where I'm from, there's coyotes everywhere. Like, they're everywhere. And they kill dogs and things like that. And you can hug where I'm from. So you can get like seven, seven dollars of help back in the day, right? So I got to a point where I was like, okay, I'm going to try to kill some of these coyotes and get them away from my camp because I felt like they were going to kill my dog. Right. And so to the right of that

campground there's like a little green clear come it's like a little green belt right it goes up into a ridge of like a bee with these it's all wooded up above right and that's where a lot of those coyotes were always at was up in that wood line right there and so i and this is the part that i don't talk a lot about because people don't like to hear this but i so what i did is i i had a 22 long rifle with a banana clip and i had a 357 long barrel magnum and so i and i and i've been hunting hunting and so I set up shop. So I went in there. I tied my dog up in the middle of the green bill. And I literally tied my nog up on a log and then I went back about 30 yards into the woodline. And I set up shop and I sat there for a very long time. And I was waiting for these things to

start chiming in and start coming down towards her. And I was going to start taking some pot shots at him to see if I could kill one of them or whatever. You know, get them to leave me alone. Right. And so what happened was is that after a little while, And this is the crazy part. And I don't talk a lot about this. So it was like three coyotes coming off the ridge going back and forth. And then as they started working their way down, it changed. It wasn't coyotes.

It turned into it got really, really loud. And then it turned into almost like monkey type cells. And then as they moved down, It turned to it almost, it's, it's just so crazy to say. It almost turned into like men screaming at each other in a way. And then, and then what happened is it was so loud. It was like, it was like being at a concert. Like it was, you could feel it.

And I actually blacked out. So I actually blacked out for, I have no clue how long. It felt like 30 seconds. It could have been, I had no clue, right. But I remember black. I remember totally like in my mind saying, what the what, like what is going on? And then I kind of blacked out.

And then I came back, when I came back to, I remember kind of looking at the ground. And then I looked up and my dog was like literally doing flips trying to get off the leash. Like just, you know how dawns like if they really want out of something. And I kind of. And then I realized like, holy crap, what am I doing? And so I ran over, got her off the leash, ran back to my truck and then drove into town to my buddy's house. And didn't even really realize what was.

going on. And that's the crazy part. So here's, here's the crazy part. I didn't even, I had no clue what was going on. Now I'm older. I totally understand what was going on. But I had no clue what was going on. I drove back into town, went to my buddy's house. You know, we smoked a little weed, whatever, right? And then, and then totally just, if people could be like, oh, you were high. Dude, I've smoked so much weed. You don't, you don't hallucinate on weed, right? Like, that's not a reality. So, so, so, and I just went about with my life, right? Like, I'm running. of drugs. I'm not even thinking about anything like this, right? And so I go about my normal life. Now, after that, I was sleeping at a tent normally. And after that, I started sleeping in the back

of my truck. And as I was kind of in that same area, there was nights when my dog would like growl at the, at the back as I leave my tailgate oakum. And she would litter. And then after that, she started growl and I started to my tailgate and closing it and all, right? And so now that I'm older, so here's the crazy part about that. And then I'll talk about, because I moved to another campsite after the certain time I had to rotate, right? And that's when I thought I saw a buffalo, but now I realize it wasn't a buffalo. So that campsite up Neal Canyon right there, and I believe it's still there. I think they built a couple more houses behind the main house with the horse arenas and stuff, but I think that camps are still there. There was no coyote crap. There was no coyote signed. Like,

there was nothing like that going on whatsoever. Like, and when I was at the time, I wasn't really thinking that, right? But now that I'm older, man, I hiked around that whole area so many times and just never ever saw any sign or anything like that. And even after that, one time we hiked up on the other ridge on the other side, because there's a bunch of like in that area, in the sawtooth right there, there's a bunch of, you like hike up and there's like steep cliffs and things, right? And I and I hiked up to a certain point and there was like this ledge that I had to kind of climb up.

And I remember grabbing my dog and throwing her up on top of that to get her up on top. And then she, as soon as I did that, man, she came off that so fast and ran down to our camp and went in the truck. And I was like, well, and then I got like this feeling of just like I couldn't go any further, right? And so I actually thought it was a cat. So there was a bunch of cougar sightings and problems in that area at the time. And so I thought it was a cat. And so I actually pulled my, my firearm out. And I had my 357.

And I'm like, holy crap. Like, there's a cat here, right? And I'm trying to, like, get down the cliff and not get attacked by a cat, right? So, and the crazy part is I remember. And I, and this, that's how this, this part's happened to me twice, where I remember thinking, okay, if this thing jumps on me, it's going to go for my neck. And so I was trying to, like, get, I had my gun. and I'm trying to like get down and keep my shoulders up in case it pounces on me. Oakley doesn't get the back of my neck, yeah.

But I don't think it was a cat now that I'm older. I think it was one of them. And I think what was happening was there. They were watching me the whole time is what I think was going on. And I think one of them was sitting up there or something was up there that gave me that feeling. And the crazy part is this. Man, they could have took my dog the whole time and they didn't. Like they, and at first I thought maybe they were trying to get my dog.

dog but now when I'm older it's like I don't think they were I I because they could have totally taken her like they could have taken me they could have taken the dog they could have taken whatever they wanted that's the truth right so I so I after that so I moved I moved camps like I would rotate I had to like the circuit I would rotate and I there's another camp across across the road that I would drive to and if you drive in you drive in facing north and then you come back down south into the camp and then it hooks to the west. And I always had a tent and so no one else would set up camp. And I remember about, gosh, it was probably a couple weeks after that other incident.

I drove in and as I was driving in in in my truck on the backside of my tent, at the time, here's, I'm just going to tell you the thoughts that happened in my mind and then whatever, right, people can think whatever they want. I remember seeing what something walk out of my camp into the bushes. And I remember my mind saying, oh, look, it's Buffalo. And the reason I said that was because it had, there was like huge hump, right? But the butt was so low that it was like, you know how Buffalo? Like their butt looks like it's super low and they have that big hump.

And that's what I saw. And there was moose everywhere and stuff. And it was definitely not a moose and it was definitely not a bear. And I remember saying, oh, look, it's a buffalo. And it walked into the bushes. And I just thought it was a buffalo. But now that I'm older, there's no buffalo and catch it. Like, that's not a reality.

There's no, there's no buffalo there. Like, that's not, I honestly think that what I was seen was one of them on all fours walking out of my camp. And it was like a lighter brownish type color. And I think the hub that I thought maybe was like the buffalo hub was actually like, like the head and the shoulders and it was walking on all fours in the butt was down lower

is what I'm the glimps so dichotom um so and that's like the only time I can say I ever think I might have saw one with my own eyes right? Um yeah that that that is wild I have a few

questions just for my clarification. Um so first thing is when you have the situation where the coyote are coming down and you hear things start to change. Is that then just what you're hearing changes into other things? Or were you seeing things that were changing as well?

I didn't see anything. So it was all audio and it was so crazy because as they worked their way down the bridge, they were going back and forth with each other. And the audio was changing as they were working their way back down the ridge, right? And it's like, and the funny part is like I said on the back of the day when I talked about this with another person was it was almost it was and now I don't know if that's real because I don't think they really wanted my dog. But I almost like there was a point where I said it was almost like they were saying, no, you get the dog. No, you get the dog. You get the dog because they were going back and forth.

But now now I'm like, well, they could have just got the dog whatever they wanted. Like they could have taken her a night. They could have taken her in the day because she would, I mean, she was a wolf hybrid. And she would disappear and like just go crazy. Like she was a crazy dog. Yeah. So but she always came back. So they never took her.

They never. So that's kind of where now I'm to the point where I don't think they really wanted the dog. I think they were just kind of watching us. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Or what are going on? You and your, would you say you're in your 20s at that time? Yeah, 10%.

I'm in my early 20s. I turned 21 in Whiskey Jackson, and catch them. Yeah. Nice. So yeah, I was I was 22, I think, 22 going on 23. Man, I'm trying to think of how to word a question. I'm just, I'm going to ask it. I'm going to ask it. I sometimes to ask questions for my listeners. So, Would you say, so the times that you had these experiences, would you say, and this might be hard to remember as well, were you sober during these times or was, do you get what I'm trying to say? Very gingerly, yeah. Yeah, so a lot of times people think because I was running marijuana, I was high all the time, right? And it's totally legit question.

No, I was sober. So that's the crazy part. So all of the experiences, I would say 99% of my experiences, 100% sober. And most of my experiences, I'm actually with other people. So it's not just me. And that's actually a legit question. I appreciate you asking that because there's people out there that don't really understand marijuana and how it works, right?

They think, oh, this guy's a, you know, he's running drugs. He's high. Like he's totally high. No, not at all. So, yeah, no, I was sober when all this was happening, actually, which was crazy. That's interesting, yeah. Yeah, and then, and then so what happened was is that, and then here's, so here's a part that kind of links in the Idaho thing. So I actually moved back to Battleground in that area, right?

I actually moved originally. I moved back to Kalama originally, and then I ended up in, in, in, Yackel, Farger Lake area, stuff like that, right? So when I first moved back, I was just in transition. So I was staying at a buddy's house. I would sleep in the back of my truck until I found my own house, things like that. So I was having a reoccurring dreams after that. And the crazy part about these reoccurring dreams is that so here I'm going to tell you the dream.

Okay. And this is something I haven't really talked a lot about. So I had this reoccurring dream for about two months after that whole Idaho incident where I was driving through a clear cut with my dog. in my truck and there was three, what I thought at the time, when I would have this dream was three grizzly bears standing on their hind legs watching me drive through the cut. And I had this dream probably 20 times, so many times.

And now that I'm older and I'm way more in depth with this whole topic, whatever it is, I understand that what I think was happening was it was a residual from whatever happened that when I blacked out because of the three. It was the same three bears every time. Same clear cut and same dream every single time. And they were the same color as the thing that walked out of my camp. And they were standing on their hind legs as I'm driving through this cut watching me in this dream. And I totally think it's all connected.

And it sounds so, it sounds so crazy to even say it out loud. But there's something else going on with these things. Like it's not what people think. It's, it's, you know, man, I, I think it's not crazy because I hear so many and my own experience as well is when you get in these areas where you have an experience, sometimes it makes your dreams go crazy. Like, and just like, it just becomes extremely vivid and it's just like wham, wam, wim, wam, wam, when, wam, because that happened to me as well first time in Oregon. It was just like, it took over my, it just takes over. you know, when, when you're dreaming and it keeps hitting you over and over and over again. And it's just wild, man.

So I'm, I'm totally with you. Yeah. And I hear other people say stuff like that too. I mean, I don't know why it happens, but it's like we get that connection. And then it just kicks. It's like, every time you hear someone's story, you can be like, okay, they're going to start to have wild dreams. And then you're going to maybe have telepathy. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. And the crazy part, too, is like, and you. talk to way more people than me, obviously, right? And so there's patterns that I'm noticing. And I listen to every Sasquatch podcast you can imagine, right? Right. So I've noticed my own patterns that I hear from thousands of other people that I'm just like, holy crap, like this stuff, there's something going on. So it's crazy to me. What's crazy to me is what I hear people saying, oh, it's just some type of ape. That to me is crazy. Because if it was literally an ape,

none of this stuff would be happening. Like there's so many different things with it that I'm like, if it is an ape, it's got telepathy, it's got all kinds of different abilities that apes don't have. And that's why I'm like, okay, it's,

I don't think it's that, right? And just to clarify, there's some people that might be thinking, so when we say that's crazy, we're not saying that the people are crazy, we're saying, what are,

that's wild. Like, it's just an expression. So that's what we're, trying to stay here. 100%. Yeah, absolutely. So, man, how?

That must have started to affect you wild after or create, you know, yeah. Yeah, so what happened. So here's what happened. And this is the part where I honestly believe that people either have a frequency or they somehow get marked or something. Because after that, so I moved, I had a house in Farger Lake. My buddy had a house up Sunset Falls Road on Ridehold Creek. And we were growing marijuana up by Sunset Falls, up by Yakult Mountain, that whole area up in there.

So we would put out a couple thousand plants every summer and work them in different areas. And we do like 50 to 100 plants in different areas and spread them out. So we wouldn't lose a whole crop, right? Because all people steal and stuff, cops, everything you can have in the loggers, everything you can imagine. Right. And that area, I'll tell you what, and that's the same area where like West had his stuff happen and things like that. Right. I'll tell you what, there is some crazy stuff going on up there.

We heard, we had so much crazy stuff happen up there. There was, I mean, babies crying. So we would work in the middle of the night. So we would go in. So we would prep everything during the day. We had ATVs with taking and we made trails and you couldn't see. We'd get in there because it's all warehouses property, right? It's all in the chamber in there.

So we would put stuff in the day, but then we would maintain stuff and night. So we were all, and we tried to get out of there before the loggers would come in, because the loggers get up, they get in there like 3, 45, 4 in the morning, right? So we would always go in from like 10, 30, 11-ish at night until that time when the loggers would come in and try to take care of our plants and then leave. Man, we had so much crazy stuff. Like the first thing that happened up there was when we were prepping one of the springs, we were prepping for a summer crop and we were moving material in during the day.

We would take fencing and stuff like that during the day without plants or anything. because if you got cow fencing, you don't go to jail, right? Maybe trespassing that's it. So one of the times me and my buddy were, and these guys that I'm working with, we grew up from kids, like, you know, little first grade, like they're brothers, right? So we had came out of this area and we were stopping and taking arrest on our ATVs. And down that road we had came from where a bunch of stuff happened later, dude, it sounded like little kids laughing and playing.

It was so crazy. And I literally looked at him. And I was like, you heard that, right? And he was like, he kind of looked at me. And I'm like, you heard that, right? And he was like, is that a ghost? Like, were those ghosts? And I'm like, dude, I'm like, there's no ghosts in the middle of the woods.

Like, those are little kids. And he was like, well, he was like, yeah, they're little kids. He's like, yeah, I heard the little kids. And I'm like, what was that? He's like, sounded like little kids. And I'm like, dude, there's no, like, we were just in there. There's no little kids running around out there. And so he was like, it must be ghosts.

And I'm like, whatever, right? So we leave, right? So, and that whole area was just insane, man. One of the nights we were in there. So we would drive in. And some of the spots we would put on along creeks, because the tap roots would get down under the water table and we have to water them less, right? And some of the spots we had to take water in.

So one of the spots we had to take water in, there was like a little culvert that we would stop and fill up our jugs. And we had totes on our ATVs, right? So we had utility ATVs. And man, I'll never forget this. It's so crazy. So there was like this little pulver with like probably a six-cent-a-cook round, like the water would puddle up, right? So we'd fill up her jugs. And we had ATV helmets on.

And this is the time what I thought maybe a cat, the same thing. So this happened here. So we go in and I'm in the front. My buddy's behind me. And we're filling up our jugs. And as we're filling up our jugs and baby starts, crying. And it's literally, it's literally probably 30 yards, maybe a little less, right up above us in the cut. And I look up at him and he's, his eyes are like this big,

right? And I'm just like, holy crap. And he's the type of guy when we grew up where if anything crazy happened, he'd just run. Right. And I knew it. And I looked at him and I said, man, do not leave me here. I literally, I looked at him and I said, do not leave me here. So then I looked back up at the baby and he was gone. Like he totally, I looked back. I looked back. He was already plowing through the trail back to the ATVs, was already on his ATV. It was already like down the road. And so I'm like trying to get out of there and get my jugs and everything. And I had my ATV helmet on.

And I remember thinking, man, was that a cath? Like what was that? And I remember thinking it's going to go for my neck, right? And so I remember and I totally remember in my mind saying, man, I'm so glad I got my ATV helmet on. Hopefully it goes for my neck. It's not going to be able to get it because my helmet. I can like head butt back and like try to like I was having those thoughts and then I got on my ATV and just was trying to catch up with him right.

But and dude it was a baby like it was not a cat. I've heard cats like I've spent the time. I've listened to every recording you can imagine from cats and it was nothing like that. It was literally a baby. And it was so crazy. And now that I'm older, man, I'm super happy. We didn't go see what it was because I hear. some stories out of that area that are just like not good.

And I just, yeah, so that happened. That's also an area we saw, we saw first time I ever saw lights was in that area. So we actually, so after that, we were working this one area and we would, we would leave and then head back up the ridge. And we would always stop on the top before what I called it the bat trails or these ATV trails we had kind of hidden to get back down to his house, right? And so before we'd go in there, we would always just kind of make sure no one was watching us or whatever, right?

Because you never know, right? Like it's, so we were sitting on top of the ridge. And this is so crazy. And I, and I, we were sitting there and it looked, it literally looked like a motorcycle light. And it was round. And it was going down the road. And it was kind of, it was kind of jiggling like this, right?

and it was totally just ripping down the road. And I looked at my buddy and I'm like, dude, there's someone on a motorcycle there. They're headed towards our crop. And he was like, what the hell? Is someone going to rob us? Like we thought someone was going to rob us, right? But then as we sat and watched it, there was no noise or any, there was no noise. There was absolutely nothing.

And it was probably, I don't know, 300 yards away maybe, right? And there was no noise. There was nothing. It was literally just a light that looked like about. the size of an old school motorcycle headlight, right, jiggling down the road, and then it just disappeared. And so, and I looked at it. I'm like, dude, they just totally pulled off and stashed their bike. Let's go down there, right? And so, and we're young, right? We're bulletproof, right? So we think people are robbing us. So let's go down there and confront them, which is now that

I'm older is the dumbest thing we could have ever done, right? Because now I'm older, I realize people do crazy things over marijuana and different things, right? So we drive down there, right? We go down there, there's no tracks. There's nothing, literally. And then I'm like, well, why didn't we hear it? And he was like, they must have had silencers.

That incident actually got us to start looking into silencers for ATVs because they make silencers that you could put on ATVs to lower the decibels so you don't hear them, right? Because we thought it was someone with a silencer on an old school motorcycle. Now that I'm older, not at all. Now that I'm older, it's what I think people, myself included, see, which whether there are warbs or lights or people,

I've heard indigenous people talk about Sasquatch travels through these rods of light and, and, and, I mean, I have pictures that I think I sent you some that my brother, God, who's a cop, I'm out St. Helens, that is like, I have someone right here that are insane. And so that's now that I'm older, I think that's what that was, was something, whether it's them or something. It's just the phenomenon's weird how you get these light experiences, right? And you hear it on a regular basis. So they're either attached or there's something going on.

But then I saw lights here on my property where I live, one light. And it's so I, this was years later. This was why I was here. We're talking 20 plus shoes later. I've picked Oberman, so I feed them, and I keep them separate. And they, when I feed them, and the smaller one, I was, I opened my garage and feed them, but I have a mesquite tree on the backside of my property, and I'm just kind of hanging out and I'm waiting for them to get done.

And my smaller one gets in front of me and just hackles, like full on hackle, right? And so I'm kind of like, what's going on, right? And then I look up in the mesquit tree, and at first I thought it was a firefly. But I'm like, oh, look at that. And there's this light in the mesquit tree. It's about the size of a golf ball. And it's kind of moving through the mesquite tree. And my dog is just like full, like full board just like hackles like in front of me.

And I kind of start to walk over to it. And she like stops me and there's like in front of me and like not letting me go over there. And then it just disappears. It totally just disappeared. And there's, but where I live, there's no fireflies. Like they don't exist where I live. So and my first thought though was like Firefly, right? Like I was thinking, oh, there must be some kind of insect here that that's doing that.

But then I, there's no, that doesn't, they don't exist where I live. It's not a real thing. So that's, that's the two that, the two times I've seen lights with my own eyes. Yeah. Lights are, man, lights are weird. I don't get them yet. And I've only, I've experienced them two times. One was Darren and in.

view in my office and I looked across the room and there is an amber colored orb the size of a marble floating around. In your office. So man, when we're done here, I'll send you a picture in my house that my wife took. There's an orb in our by next to our Christmas tree. One Christmas, she's taking a picture of the Christmas tree. And she said it to me and I'm like, do you see that? And she's like, what are you talking about?

And I'm like, take that same picture like 10 times immediately. And I didn't tell her why. And I'd said it to me. And she said it to me. it was gone. But in the first picture she took, there's literally like a blackish, color grayish black orb in my living room next to the Christmas tree. And you can see it. It's so crazy. So what those are, I have no clue. Those are what they say they are. I just think it's kind of weird how they're attached. And then you hear like indigenous and First Nations people

talk about that's how they travel and whatever they. I mean, whether it's dimensions or portals or whatever it is right it's i think it's enough hearing all of the accounts with orbs and and how it happens around bigfoot sightings and on all that it's enough to it's just one of the things that you know make me think like okay all bets are off like yeah how can you hear stuff like that or see stuff like that yourself and be like oh no there's no weird stuff in bigfoot dude there's weird stuff in big foot like there's weird stuff in bigfoot like there's weird stuff in Bigfoot. And mostly the people that say that generally, let's keep it real, are generally mainstream type scientists that don't want to hurt their reputation. They don't want to hurt

their reputation. They're actually, they're not, they're not doing anyone a favor because, A, they're not being, they're not being good scientists because they're not taking all the evidence and actually, actually like looking at it. They're picking and choosing, which is not good. But yeah, but that also makes me wonder sometimes back to like the telepathy mindspeak was the way that that was said to me at Packwood Lake, it was third, it was third person. Like, it wasn't, and it makes me wonder if, if some of the minds speak, maybe some of it is Bigfoot Sasquatch, but if some of it is something else. Like if there's something, I just think our reality is way more robust than what we've been taught. Oh, it totally is. And like, I think there's way more going on.

I mean, I have a Mufon report that in the video I took in my house that is absolutely insane. And I decided to Mufon and the guy was like, holy crap. And I'm like, yeah, like I literally filled it on my porch. Like, it's crazy. So, yeah, I can send you that too. You can go look at that. So, yeah. So and then, and then I just, I think that people, honestly, my personal opinion is I think people, it's either frequency.

I think that people either have a different energy or frequency where whatever these things are can either sense it or maybe they really, some of them are telepathic. Like, and if they are people, like, let's say there are people, right? Let's say they're just whatever there are people, right? I know for a fact that there's people that have telepathy because of what happened to me with that woman. I know for a fact that's real. I don't care what anyone says. It's already been proven. So if there are people, do some of them have that ability and some of them don't, right?

Like isn't something similar like that or whatever, whatever it is? But yeah. And then it's like every time I've been in the woods after that, I've had crazy stuff happen. Like I rented a house out in Mazamilad in Guadalajara. Way out of the middle of nowhere, I rented this huge house. And out there's pine forest. People don't realize that there's pine forest out there. And it's just like the pine forest where we're from in Oregon and Washington.

Right. So I rent this house out there to get my wood fix. I take my family out there. And this house is literally out the middle of nowhere. And I go out there and I go out there with intent. And so I'm going to talk a little bit about intent because that's what happened in October, too, was I went there with stuff to actually record audio with stuff. And I was actually looking for something to happen and asking for it in my mind saying,

show me, show me, show me, right? So we woke up and after we woke up, so we slept on the second story and there was these skylights, right? And it was raiding a bunch and things like that. And the first night, there was nothing on the skylights. And the second night we woke up, this was on the skylight. No way. Oh, my goodness.

Wow. And I couldn't, and here's the crazy part. I couldn't get up to the skylight to measure it because it was a, it was like a bolted ceiling. But this thing was like three times bigger than my hand. And I don't care what anyone says. To me, that looks like some type of handprint that's smud. Oh, totally. Yeah, it does, man.

That's what my wife started to realize that I wasn't crazy. Absolutely. Was it, did you eventually have to clean that off? No, it was an Airbnb that I rented. And it was on the outside of the same. skylight. So it had something, and it was on the outside of the skyline. So I couldn't even get up there without a ladder or anything. And the crazy part is this. So that handprint, which I think is a handprint, that stayed there the whole week we were there. And it rained so hard. It was almost

like it had like an oil or something on it, that the rain wasn't washing it away. And then after that, the rain let off. So about three days later, the rain let up and we went on a hike. And me and my wife and my daughter walked down the road and just kind of went on a hike in the woods on the road, didn't really go in the woods, but on the road, right? We walked down this road and on the way, there's nothing on the road and on the way back, and my daughter at the time is like four, I think she was four. And so on the way back, in the middle of the road, there was an agave grub that was about this big. Like the thing was literally about three. It was the biggest agave grub I've ever seen in my life. And it was literally in the middle of the road. And it's like,

Okay, and I stopped and I was kind of like, what the what? Like, where did this? The thing didn't crawl there. Those things don't move that fast. Like there's no way that thing crawled from when we walked out and came back. There's no way. There's no way it crawled out of an agave plant and moved into the middle of the road. And then, and then so here's by, and I always, when I have things happen,

I always go to what it might be just in normal type thinking, right? So I'm thinking deductive reasoning and I'm like, okay, well, a bird must have dropped it or something, right? I've tried to think of what would put that there. And I'm thinking maybe an animal, maybe a bird. But it's like if a bird dropped, I don't you think it could circle back around and pick it back up? Or like if a fox or a coyote, like don't you think they like pick that back up? Like because they want to eat it, right? So and so that, so that happened.

And then I didn't go into the woods for for years just because I was working my career. that I had. I was a workaholic and all that kind of stuff. And then and then and then I and then I geared up for October. I mean, that's and that's what happened in October with what happened with my friend that you know and things like that. And that was an interesting, that was an interesting trip because I went in there with equipment asking for certain bangs. And here's the crazy part. I got everything I asked for and I even said I don't even care about a visual. I want audio and I want a footprint. And I was saying that in my head and then I said it out loud when I was there and I got all that. I got a lot.

So which to me in that that so this last October is when I kind of started I was telling him and you know what I'm talking about but I was telling him. Dude, I think there's way more going on than what people think like there because there's stuff that happened on that trip that I was literally asking for and it happened. So and so I just I think there's way more going on than what people think. I think. So Matthew, I'm curious. When did you, so you're asking for specific things. Did you start asking for those things like when you got to the area or was it a thing where you're like preparing ahead of time? So before, because I hadn't been in the woods in a really long time. So before that trip, I was actually working out every day. I was meditating every day. I was asking for that stuff in my brain while I was working out and meditating. And I was literally. saying I would love some audio and I would love a footprint and I and I would just repeat it. I would love some audio and I would love the footprint. I don't care about a visual. And I would just say and I got that. Like I literally got I got I got that. I had the audio I had audios. I still have the audios you've heard the audios. So I recorded those and then I got I got the

footprint we took a cast of and I have more audios. I just haven't had the time to clean up the tape. I know like two days worth of audio. And so I and so that's where I'm kind of like, okay, like, I think there might be, I think intent might have something to do with it if you're a person that has the right energy or frequency. And the crazy, and here's, and here's, and here's, and now that we're totally talking about it, here's the crazy stuff too. So I sent you some pictures that my brother got on his game camera. I don't know if you had those who remember that. But I have a, so my brother is by Mount St. Helens, okay, and he hunts up there and everything. And he, total non-believer, 100%. He's, he's total.

All BS, right? Right before that trip, I already knew I was coming, everything. He knew I was coming, everything like that, okay? He starts getting things on his game camera. So, and it totally shifted his perception of reality because the first thing he got was this light, which is this, which is the most insane thing game camera I've ever got, I've ever seen. So he literally gets that, right?

And they sends me that and he's like, well, what is this? And I thought, dude, it's a rod of light. Like, what is that? And then he sends me the other picture I sent you with what I believe is a Sasquatch literally standing in the woods and you see the shoulder and the head. And the cool part about all these picks is that I have all the upfront picks and the back picks and like all the series of pictures. So it's not just like the one buddy shot, right? So and then he, so now he's like, okay, this is like crazy. Right. So and so and so I, I don't know. if that's connected, but I, but I think that it might have had something to do with,

why would all of a sudden he start getting these on his camera when they know I'm going to go with him? I was going there to hunt with him in that area, right? Why would he all of a sudden start getting these and never has had him before? Now he's a total, like, I'm on board, but so he's like, I don't want to have anyone to know. He doesn't want anyone to know who he is or anything like that. It's a tricky, tricky situation for him for sure. Yeah. 100% so so i did i just think it's all linked together and then in october so that trip was i went hunting with him uh we didn't have anything happen when i was with them hunting but but i went within that area um and then i went with my other friend that that you know about um and that's what all that other

stuff happened um so which yeah i mean it's it's it's crazy man and so i just think that certain people can have certain things happen whether they know it or not based off their energy or frequency or something there's something going on oh yeah absolutely and and you know the photos and the photos that you've shared is that something where I could put those in the YouTube version yeah so he yeah and I actually I asked him if I could share those with people and so and I and I that's why emailed those to you a while back ago and if you have those emails I do yeah you can post them that's all good I have no problem with that there's the light picture and then do you have the one the actual Sasquatch up front with the baby Sasquatch in front of it?

Did I send you one? It's there. I sent you the one with the energy, what I call it energy distortion with the black circle. So that, so that's super interesting to me because if you look at that one, that black circle is behind the tree. So that's not a camera anomaly. There's no possible way that's a camera anomaly. No, definitely not. Yeah, you're talking about the game cam ones.

Yeah. So with the Bobcat walking through it and the black circle behind the tree. Yeah. So, dude, I'll tell you what, like, there's something going on there. And like him and my dad both are like, they sent it to me and they're like, what the heck? And I'm like, dude, that's not an anomaly. It's behind the tree. Like, so that's the same area where, where.

And if I didn't send you the one with the, what I think is the Sasquatch and a little one, I'll resent it to you. But yeah, he's totally, he's totally fine. Is it really, is the sad question the little one, is it really zoomed in and it's green? It's like, it's like, it's zoomed in, and there's like a bunch of green, and then you can see the gray shoulder. And it looks like, it looks like, so if you look at that picture, you see the shoulder, then you see like the head and you see the dark eyes right there, right? Look down, look down below on the bottom. There's something little there that looks like a little.

face or something. And all those looks like a little baby Sasquatch or something else. I have no clue what it is. That's wild. Yeah. I do have that. And so and so and so and I have all the up front game camera picks of that. And I also have game camera picks of that hurry without that there. Because he originally sent me the original one and there was a go in there. It was like a white hump and the original one. We were trying to figure out what the white hump was. And we're looking at the white hump and I'm kind of scanning in the background. And I'm like, what's that in the background? And he's like,

what is that? And that's where that picture is. And that's all Mount St. Helens area. That's wild. And not surprising. I mean, Mount St.

Helens is so, so active as, as you know, and all listeners probably know. But I mean, it's just, the game cam stuff is really cool. I really like the game cam stuff.

And especially it's got the bobcat in it, too. Yeah. It's just no crazy, man. And the crazy part to me is like, and my other friend that you know about when I was in October, man, he has some, he has some light pictures that, like, some of his rods of light, I don't care what anyone says. Like, those are pretty impressive. And they're super good.

And as much as people think some of those stuff's not real, it's 100% real. Like it's, it's not like the, some people have these money shots of what they say or Sashwatch. But all they have is the money shop, right? So they don't have any of the before or after. All these bics have the before and afters. Like, and it's, yeah, it's weird, man. There's something going on with lights.

There's something going on with, I honestly believe it's some type of energy distortion. That's what I think that black mass is something like that. And whether the ensuing, here's the thing. Some people say that's portals, whatever, right? who we'd never really know, it could be something completely different. Like when I talked to that Mufon guy, when I filmed that, and I'll email you that video that I took, when I was talking to him, we went down a little rabbit hole about Mount St. Helens and stuff.

And he told me that he's talked to people from Mount St. Helens back in the day, like way, and he's been with Mufant like since day one. He was like, man, I've talked to Lodgers from Mount St. Helens that literally saw logs of rods of light, pick up elk, and disappear with them, and the loggers left camp. And I'm like, so okay, like, what is that? Like, are those, are those energy distortions really Sasquatch? Or is it something different going on? And are they all linked together or, or is it really Sasquatch? I mean, dude, that's, man, that's a guy. That's a guy that needs to be interviewed. I don't know if he's ever been interviewed. Man, he, he's, so he's been with Lufon since, like,

day one and he was he was he was pretty i'll say this about him he was very he was very thorough and he didn't want to he didn't want it wasn't a lot of small talk like it was literally like he wanted the backs oh i get what i would try to like kind of just do small talk he would totally just like bring it bring it back in because he's been with moof on for so long sure yeah probably what i'm man i don't even know when mufon started so years would that be like 40, 50 years more. Who knows, I'd have to look it up. That's awesome.

He didn't want to, and he didn't want to, he didn't want to even engage in any Sasquatch top. Because I even said when I showed him, I showed him this picture. I even, I even said, man, like, is this Sasquatch? And he was just, he just totally didn't even acknowledge that I asked the question. Oh, such a waste. Yeah, well, it is what it is.

Every group is in their own, everyone's in their own camp, right? I think we're all saying the same thing. I think it's one big camp, me personally. If only we could all work together and compare notes, you know, like, but it's what it is. So why did you, why did you not ask for a visual? Why were you, you said you were okay with not having a visual? Because I just, in my mind, it was probably more realistic to get an audio and a footprint. I just, I was kind of just like, okay, if I'm going to ask for this, I should ask for something that might

possibly happen. And so and I and I totally was just like I'm okay with an audio and a and a footprint. And to be honest with you now, I'm actually glad that because I would rather have the recordings that I have, which you've heard some of those. And we cast for the footprint. I mean, man, the footprint we took was 15 inches, man. It's crazy. Like the thing, the thing literally, I don't know if you can see that, but it's literally, it's literally 15 inches. And so I, wanted something more tangible for me that I can keep in my office like I'm in my office right now than just getting a glimpse of something that I already know is real got it like for me for me it's already real I don't need like I know I'm not a believer I know they're there what they what they are

is a totally different conversation so I just I wanted something tangible for me was selfish reality it's just me being selfish because I wanted I want to be able to have a casting on my my wall I get it man I know that I've listened to a million times right? Yeah. So that's why I did that. Yeah. That's cool.

Wow. So, man, just this last October. So then where does this, where does it put you now? Are you, are you trying to get out there and have more or are you at the point where you're like, wow, I had this happen and this happened? Like, I'm okay. Yeah, no. So I'm planning on going back to where I was at with my friend in October.

He's, he's, and I don't care what anyone says about him. he's got real stuff going on there 100%. 100%. 100%. And so I'm planning on going back with him. And I want to spend like a week there because it's, man, I honestly think the whole time we were there, they were there.

We were hearing stuff the whole time. And so they were literally there the whole time. And I, and it's kind of crazy because I, I'm going to go back and see my brother and I'm going to hunt, but I'm not expecting anything to happen when I'm with my brother because we're carrying lawn rifles. Like we're trying to kill stuff.

Right, exactly. And I think that they know that. Different intention. Yeah, for some reason, I think that they can, they know that, right?

Like, because when I'm with my friend, like, I hadn't been camping with him since we were like kids. Like, so he's actually the little brother of my best friend. That's how I know him. So,

And I, so I hadn't been camping with him since we were little kids. And so it was literally just a camping trip of us, just cutting it up and having a great time. And he's totally sober, but I was drinking and just having a good time because it was a vacation for me. So we were just eating food and hiking around. And he was showing me all the spots. And we were checking all of his game cameras. And he was showing me some of the tree bends and stuff that he has in those areas are insane. So he took me down into a canyon there, which some weird stuff happened.

in there that was pretty interesting because we even, the night before we went into the canyon, we were talking about getting fresh fish. And I even said, and I have this all our recording too, and so crazy to listen to, I even said, well, maybe we'll get a fresh salmon because he had brought some salmon to batter and deep fry for dinner, right? And I was like, well, maybe we'll get a fresh one

and get some more. Then, I mean, I don't know if you know what happened on that trip, if you connected with them and do you talk about that with you or anything? Yes. It's pretty wild. It's pretty wild. And when that happened, I was kind of like, what was going on, right? Like, so, yeah.

And then, and that it was. And here's the weird part too. So when on that trip, so on that trip, I went in knowing they're real. Okay. I went in with such, such different intent that I ever had in the past because I know they're real now. I brought equipment with me to try to get an audio. I brought casting material.

I did all that stuff, right? And so I had audio going the whole. time. And the crazy part is this, even when the one incident happened that I got the after the chain song, you've heard that, right? Yes. So, okay, so when that happened, the way we reacted was interesting. So we didn't, it wasn't, it was just like, it was all good. Like, we didn't even, like, react. Like, we just, we just kept on do what we were doing and then sat around the campfire or just kept cutting it up and talking about life and different things. And we knew they were there.

Like the whole time we knew they were right there. When that happened, they were literally in the bushes like right next to us. And it didn't scare us. It didn't. So I hear things like when you said you got chased out of the or people get chased out of cabins and you hear incidents like what happened with like people like West and all these crazy incidents.

And it's like, okay, are they? And here's the, And here's the part where I wonder sometimes, do they know if you're a good person or not? Right? Five things, though. Oh, yeah. Like, because, like, like, I feel like they saw us kind of reconnecting after years

and literally having like a family moment, right? And we both, and we know bad intention, like totally just having a good time. And then it's like, then you hear other times where people are out in their trucks, with guns and maybe they're driving around poaching or they're doing something they shouldn't be doing and and they have a bad experience right or or or or i don't know man i just i feel that i feel like i feel like there's some of them if not all of them can kind of tell you really are oh yeah 100% yeah even if you're in a bad situation they still see who you are right um and then i and then i and then i And then I just wonder sometimes if there's some that are good.

If there are people, there's got to be some that are bad. If there are any type of people and there's a population, there's always going to be something that's bad, right? It's just the way our reality works. So is that where some people go missing and are we on the menu, right? Like different, like, I hear stories and I'm just like, holy crap, I hope that never happens to me, right? It's at the point, like you talking about intention,

that I don't, I'm at the point where I just don't go out with anyone anymore. It's not just making sure that the person is not crazy, right? Because you need to check that. But it's also, you need to have a conversation with them like, okay, why are you doing this? Are you doing this because you just care about being famous? Or do you want to connect? Do you want to, you know, that all matters. and that is going to affect how your experiences as well.

And I think with my friend, because he wants publicity, right? He's, he's on both sides. He's doing it for himself, which I respect, but he also is trying to grow something else, right? Sure. But on that trip for him, it wasn't just about him growing what he's trying to grow because he was connecting with me as well. And so he even told me, he was like, man, he's like, you're one of the only people I know that believes me. And he even said, now I know you're not crazy because I brought it up to him years ago.

And they all thought I was crazy. They're like, oh, he's just crazy. And he's like, dude, you're not crazy. And I'm like, I know I'm not crazy. Like, I know they're real, right? And so it was more of him. I think it was more of him, while we had so much stuff happened was it was more of him kind of being with someone and having that feeling of, okay, like there's someone else here that

that knows that I'm not not full crap, right? So it wasn't just about him growing what he's trying to grow. And I think that had a lot to do with what we got, the footprint that was left, the audios that I got, things like that. He's got a good heart. That gentleman,

your friend has a good heart. He's good. Yeah. He's been through a lot and he's got a really good heart. And he's got good intention for other people. Sometimes people get gold, gold fever, right? Sasquatch fever is what I call it.

And it happens because everything's monetized nowadays. It's crazy. Like, even what you do. Absolutely. You make money. Like, that's reality, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

100%. Man, Matt, Matthew, you have had a wild ride. And it's cool how you go from just having experiences, but then your mind just opens up. And I honestly, I can't wait to see what happens next for you because it sounds like you're going to keep trying to have connections out there. I'm 100% go back and I'm going to do it a little different when I go back. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to be more more. I'm going to pay more attention to my audios and things because there's things that I think I missed because I've never messed around with trying to set up audio and things.

Like, I'm not super tech savvy, so I'm going to do some things a little bit different when I go back. Fantastic. Well, man, we will definitely be, I say let's keep in touch. And we'll have to, you know, maybe even check in with you in the future down the road. Get an update. If that's something that you would be interested in, you know, you just reach out, let me know. But thank you so much for spending your time today. and there's a lot to take away from this conversation.

And I just want to say thank you for coming on the show. Yeah, thank you for having a platform to let people like myself come in here. And I mean, I've liked the Minespeak stuff. I've talked to one other person about. That's it. And that's kind of why I came on is I feel like more people should be more open to people. People were scared to talk about it. That's the reality.

Yeah, it needs to be talked about. But it's hard to talk about it because people think you're crazy. and they label you and then you get blowback and I get it. So for anyone who does hear this, here's the thing. Talk to someone about it because it'll help you. That's why I came on here is to help myself because once you realize these things are real and all this stuff is happening, you can't obsess about it. It can't absorb your life.

You can spend your hours totally goomscrolling and watching things and it's good to, and you know that because you look at what you do, right? Probably know it. Yeah, so in a way, it's a good therapy to come out and verbalize it because it'll take some of that off your shoulders because there is a lot. There's thousands of people like us and we're not all hallucinating the same stuff. Like it's real. No, not at all. Yeah.

And you do that to be careful about your identity and things. Like for me, that's, I'm being careful about my identity. And you can come on here and wherever talk to someone about it. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's, man, that's a great.

If anyone wants to reach out, they can. They can send me an email at Bigfoot Society, gmail.com, and I will get back to you as soon as I can. But Matthew, what an awesome conversation. And we will definitely keep in touch, man. You're doing some good stuff. So keep it up, dude. Yeah, sounds good. I appreciate you having me on here and take care of yourself.

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