Bigfoot Society - Sasquatch Surrounded Our Camp in Gypsy Meadows! | Washington

Episode Date: July 6, 2025

What happens when two lifelong friends—and practicing physicians—set out into the California wilderness just to bond over a backpacking trip, but come back with a story they can’t explain? In this intense and gripping episode, we sit down with Curtis and David, medical professionals turned amateur investigators, who recount their chilling encounters in the most remote corners of the Siskiyou wilderness and Eastern Washington.From a massive igloo-shaped shelter surrounded by inhuman-sized scat piles to a 16-inch footprint left in a marsh—just hours before they arrived—their findings raise more questions than answers. You'll hear about pine cones thrown in dead silence, twisted trees suspended in the air, and nighttime vocalizations that sounded eerily human.Locations include the legendary Smith River, Kelsey Trail, and the Salmo-Priest wilderness near Sullivan Lake.Listen now to find out what made two doctors believe in Bigfoot.Resources:See what happened when Curtis and David went back to Gypsy Meadows in June on the Salish Sasquatch channel here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf26b6mg3NQ🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Patreon – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNT🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072📧 Business Inquiries:[e-mail]

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and also what happened when they went up to eastern Washington. What happened there wasn't just weird as you'll soon hear. This is a story of Curtis and David, the doctors who came back believers, so stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Curtis and David today. They are both physicians and also both friends. And they've come on the show to share some interesting Bigfoot related experiences they've had in the last few years. So gentlemen, welcome to the show. How's it going today? Great. Thanks for having us, Jeremiah.

Nice to meet you. Get to talk to you, Jeremiah. Absolutely. And just so that our listeners can associate the different voices. Curtis, how are you doing today? I'm doing great. Perfect. And David, yourself? Doing good. Awesome. Very, very good. Well, guys, we were just talking a little bit beforehand, and it sounds like you have actually kind of prepared a way to present this. So, you know, what I feel might be good is I'm going to hand it over to you guys. You can present your experiences and then maybe we'll chat a bit about it and I might have some questions for you afterwards. Perfect. Thanks. So I'm Curtis again for those out there and just a quick little

introduction. David and I have been friends since I was trying to think the other day. I think he was eight and I was 10 or now both in our early 60s. So we've been friends for over 50 years probably during the summers between when I was 10 and 18, we probably spent every day together at each other's houses. We went on vacations with each other's families. I think David considered my mom, his second mom, and I considered his mom, my second mom. So we're kind of brothers slash friends,

and have been so for so long. Once we became doctors, and had young families, we kind of drifted apart, partly because our work schedule, family schedule, and I lived in a different state. But we, you know, get back together every few years, and we were the kind of friends that, you know, we might not have seen each other for a couple years.

But when we got back together, it was like no time had we been apart. In the last few years, our careers have kind of stabilized. We were both established. Our kids have grown up. And we started maybe 10 years ago getting back together every year or so to go on a guy's trip. And so our friendship has rekindled and gotten even better over the last 10 years or so. Yeah, I mean, we've been best friends since we were, you know, so young and stuff.

And always considered, I mean, we're new roommates in college. Actually went through the same medical school together. And we're, you know, I've always considered him, you know, my best friend through life. So it's been great. So when Curtis, you know, I called them up one time and said, hey, let's get together. Yeah, let's go do something. And so I knew David had an interest in Bigfoot. He growing up, he was very interested in Native American lore, probably read a book a week on Native American history.

And I knew he had an interest in Bigfoot. I probably did not have much of an interest in Bigfoot, and then, of course, finding Bigfoot came out, and that made me even much more of a skeptic. But about three and a half years ago, my wife and I had the opportunity to go to Nepal, and we were hiking towards Everest Base Camp, and our guide was a Buddhist monk,

and he asked us if we wanted to go see a Buddhist ceremony and just to, you know, show interest in the local culture, we said yes, and we went to this ceremony, and it was, you know, obviously we didn't understand a single word, but it was still very amazing. And afterwards, we were drinking tea, and he asked us if we wanted to see something special, and he took us over to the back of the temple,

and there was a box that kind of looked like about the size of a fire extinguisher box that you might inset in the wall, or something. And it was about that big kind of just hanging on a big pole. And it was locked up. And he unlocked the case and opened it up. And there was a skull and a hand of a Yeti. And he gave us a little bit of the background. And by his story, the Yeti had helped the original Buddhist monk there like three or 400 years ago to build that temple. And then when the Yeti died, they took his bones and and kept it inside the temple. And the skull was probably maybe 50% bigger than a human skull.

It still had a scalp on it, still had some short brown hair about an inch long. And then the hand is what really caught my attention. I'm an orthopedic surgeon, so I know hand anatomy pretty well. And the hand looked just like a human hand. It did not look like an ape's hand, but it was about twice as big as the typical human. hand. I couldn't touch this. It was behind glass, but I was looking at it from six inches away.

And so my interest suddenly peaked. And when David called in January of 2022 and said, what are we going to do for our guys trip this year? I said, why don't we go see if we can find Bigfoot? So that's kind of how we got started. Yeah, my interest in Bigfoot, you know, have been a little more purses, but like I said, I was Native American history was what I was interested. I was the Indian when you played Cowboys and Indians. I read a lot of history with that. I knew that Native Americans had different names for Bigfoot, you know, like Sasquatch, Harry Man, you know, Wild Man or, you know, great brother. They, um, I had seen pictures of their cave markings and things they've done. Um, I saw the Patterson.

Gimland film, you know, saw the shows like, you know, most everyone else, you know, finding Bigfoot, now Bigfoot extradition and things like that. I had heard of Teddy Roosevelt's story that he had written in his book before he was president of the, you know, the trappers, one of them that got killed in the camp, you know, by a, by a Bigfoot and it felt the prince and things like that, back in 1800s. So it's always been out there for me. And so Curtis came over for for my 50th birthday. You had found a bunch of Bigfoot stuff on my DVR and really didn't mess.

That's when we first realized we both had a little interest, you know, with that. So we said, well, let's go, let's go find Bigfoot. And in 22, I said, well, I started doing some research on it. And I went to the BFRO and found the looking over California. After we start local, I mean, we're definitely rookies. But most of this was just, you know, hey, we're going to get to, get together with my best friend and I'm going to go backpacking and amping and spend some time together. But in the meantime, you know, we'll say, well, hey, we're going to go look for Bigfoot.

So Bavaro's site looked up in the Siskue, you know, Siskew area, which is up in the northwest California, same area where Bluff Creek was, Willow Creek and all that and with the history of all that and with it showing the most, you know, A-type sightings in California. I said, hey, let's go up there. And I started looking on, you know, mapping and trails and, you know, interesting areas. And I always wanted to find, you know, places with, you know, with water and, you know, as far away from everybody as we could.

So I found this on the Smith River. It's called a Kelsey Trail. And I said, hey, that's where we're going to go. So that's how we decided on the first spot. And so we go driving out there and it's probably 25 months. miles east of Crescent City, and then you go six miles out on a dirt road and end up with the trailhead. And then you backpacked in about six miles to where we ended up at our base camp at that time. And around the base camp, we spent the first three or four days hiking all around.

We went up and down. We had camp right by this creek. We went up and down the creek. We went clear to the Smith River, went off trail, and all sorts of places, and didn't really find a a lot. And then David had been looking about our third or fourth day at his maps, and he realized that even though there was only one way in and one way out on this South Kelsey Trail, that a branch of it had crossed the creek, and we hadn't been up that way. And so he suggested, you know, since we hadn't really found much in the first three or four days, and we weren't unhappy by any means. I mean, like David said, this was called a Bigfoot finding trip, but really we fully expected just to go backpacking and camping with our best buddy.

But anyway, he found a branch of the trail had crossed the creek, and so we decided to do that about, like I said, our fourth or fifth day, and that's when we started finding some interesting things. Yeah, the trail was heading more into the wilderness area from where our base camp is. And we first got there, like you said, there's only one trail in. So we set up game cameras, you know, on the trail, at the, we knew who was coming in or what was coming in there. So the whole time we were there, we only met one guy came in on one day. We talked to him and he was coming in.

He was coming in for one night. And we talked to him when he went out. So we knew when he was there. And we knew when he left. But we went up, so we crossed this creek, we're hiking probably two more miles into the wilderness direction. And we're trying to be really observant to require, we're, you know, listening, smelling, you know, walking, looking for things. And we start finding things on that other side. Probably when the first st.

Heard found this, like, 12-foot-high big branch that was broken. bent down towards the trail of 90 degrees. And I got a picture of that, and he's trying to reach up and it's, you know, it's really high. And now that's strange. Well, how did that happen? Well, there's nothing on the ground that fell on it or broken. The branches above it are intact and the branches below it are intact. He was feeling like, well, what broke that?

You know, we don't know. It could have been anything, but we couldn't give an answer to that, what we were finding in the area. So we keep going on and we found a brother who were just strangers. thing I found was that this tall big tree, it was probably about, you know, I don't know, five inches diameter, Kurt, would you say? And it was, you know, five or six inches diameter. Yeah. But it was probably like 30 or 40 feet long. And it's pointed uphill. But the bottom of it was like about five feet in the air wrapped. It was wrapped with these other trees. And it was, they were twisted around it and holding it up in the air about five feet off the ground. And,

we look around and we're looking for stumps and where the heck of this thing come from and how's it being suspended in the air about five feet and how would that happen naturally you know but it was definitely this the we have a picture of the branches being wrapped around it then holding it up in the air we didn't figure out where it came from we couldn't figure out the stump we knew it was pointed up there there was a game trail going right by it um so that was really strange when we first found that one yeah and and the wrapping did not look like a vine had grown around the tree. It looked, you know, you could tell that the vine or branches were twisted to hold the tree up. And, you know, a 30-foot tree that's five or six inches in diameter, I mean, it probably weighs 200 pounds or more. I mean, could a human have done that? Sure, but it was just sort of our first, besides any tree breaks, our first, you know, unusual finding. and we kind of went deeper into the forest,

and this was all off the trail. So we took that trail, like David said, about two miles from our base camp, but then we went off onto a game trail and started finding these things. I think the next thing we found, we found two trees probably, I don't know, 50 yards apart

that had branches laid up against them. And these branches were not from the tree itself. You could tell. One of them was like from a manzanita bush or something. It was completely red, and the tree was, you know, nothing like that. And they were just leaning up against a tree kind of like a lean-to. And they weren't really big enough to have anything sleep under it, but it was just kind of a weird finding.

And sort of even before going on this trip and since, we've seen other people who've shown videos of that, and I think it's even been in expedition Bigfoot. So we found a couple of trees with leaning branches. And then our next finding, there's probably about 100 yards away from that. And again, we're off trail in the middle of the wilderness. We came upon this dwelling, this primitive shelter that looked just like an igloo. It was probably five feet tall, four feet tall, about six to eight feet wide, maybe eight feet long.

kind of about the size of a three-person backpacking tent, and it had an opening at one end, and none of the branches had been cut by a saw or an axe, and they were all woven together. So this definitely took hands to make. They weren't just leaning against something like a lean-to. They were woven to give strength and stability. So we started thinking, you know,

Our first thought was, as doctors, we always like to rule things in and rule things out. Our first thought was, you know, someone's been staying here, some person. But then we started looking for signs of humans being there. We looked inside and there was no bed roll or anything. Whatever had slept there, it slept right on the twigs and branches and pine needles right on the ground. You could see a depression in there. and then we started looking for a fire pit because most humans when they're camping

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And there was no fire pit. And then, yeah, I think David came up with the idea, hey, there's got to be trash around here somewhere. And we started looking, because even the cleanest humans are going to leave some evidence that they were there. And there were no wrappers or twilight or pop tops or anything. There was no trash whatsoever. And then we kind of expanded our search and we probably got 40 or 50 feet away.

And we saw sort of circumferential around the whole dwelling six or eight piles of scat. And these piles of scat looked, you know, it was shaped like a, like human scat would be, but it was probably twice the diameter and probably two to three times the volume that a human would make. And these were placed all around the camp, maybe every 30 or 40 feet. And at first we thought it was just sort of random, but someone has since suggested to us that maybe whatever lived there was using it as a boundary marker. And I don't, I don't, I don't know, do you know who Bean's Baxter is in Alaska? I don't know if you know him.

Yeah, absolutely. He happened to hear about our story, and he sent me a video of some scat he found in Alaska, and it looked exactly like that, and he thinks that that scat is from an Alaskan Bigfoot. The other interesting thing about the scat is that there was no toilet paper and no moss, no leaves. nothing was used to to clean whatever did the SCAT.

So here we find this dwelling, this Igloo-like permanent primitive shelter with SCAT all around it with no other signs of humans that have ever been there.

So, you know, that was just a crazy finding that we found. Butterway out. So, yeah, we spent quite a bit of time there with that one. So on the way out, another thing we found on was a, the wallet and I've seen, you know, a lot of these things you don't, like you say, we're rookies at it, but we see these things and we've never heard

of those things being happening in other Bigfoot, you know, information or videos or whatever. But then we start, once we start seeing these things, then we start seeing other, hey, we saw that. That's what, you know, that's what it was when we saw it. In other words, it was this horizontal suspended tree. that you know it was a horizontal tree that was weaved between in a tree and it was perfectly horizontal and it was like probably would you say for 20 feet long you're just just perfectly weed between the branch and i go how does something naturally get that perfectly weed between these three and just fall on you know in there like that and we couldn't figure

it out you got a picture of this thing now that was that was a second tree that was off the ground Yeah, all in the same side of the creek. So. And I saw another one at it. I saw another video since then. I saw it, but it was a bigger tree that was horizontal like that. And I go, that almost looks exactly like our tree, just bigger, you know, so that was interesting. But as we're walking, um, we're walking out, you know, from there, um, we noticed, you know, I'm, I've always been interested in some trout.

and things like that. And I read a lot of Tom Brown Jr.'s books and learning on tracking and part of the observation of nature was looking through things and looking at the open spaces between things. And so I try to do that and I noticed this area of wetness about 30 yards off the trail as we were heading out when I told Curtis, I said, I'm always looking for track traps and things like that. And I go, hey, there's some wet over there. let's go over there and see what we can see. And you're expecting like tracks of something, you know, or the deer or whatever's in the area of doing it. So we go, but it's about 30 years.

There's bushes in between us and we have to work our way through it. We get over there. And there's probably a, it wasn't like a river or a creek or anything going. There was just this wetness of area, probably about 40 by 15 feet or something, like a pool size area of marsh. They had water in it, I think of it was about, you know, probably only three or four inches deep in there. And you get over there and we, you don't have to walk through it. I mean, you go 10 feet to the left and we actually walked around it to get the other side,

or you go 10 feet to the other side and walk on dry land. We get over there and we walk around, we look in there, and here we find three footprint, or steps of tracks of something walking. There's three of them. there's first one in the right at the edge or the second one like about you know a foot or two later and then the third one is like it's real literally four feet further in steps into right in the middle of the marshy area and then there was not another one leaving it was about four feet out so whatever had walked on there had made you know two initial steps and then a big step and then another

step out and we were we were pretty amazed at that we're going to hey These are actual footprints. We took pictures compared to ours. We were, again, rookies and didn't bring a measuring measuring tape, but we compared our foot size to that. And it was about twice the width of, you know, Curtis's foot. And we were both sized 13s. And so our shoes are about 13 inches and it's about three inches longer. So it feels pretty close to an estimate about 16 inches, you know, long and about six, you know, six inches wider.

So is what we thought. And but the interesting thing is it's not, we're trying to say, okay, did someone come walking through there? And I'm like, why would a human being walk through here when you can go 10 feet to the right? Why would you get your boots all dirty like that? And we're trying to say, well, how can you make a step that's four feet and, you know, a four foot step strike? And I go, there's no, there's no slippage.

There's no, someone's not running because if you run and land, step, in mud, you're going to, there's going to be some slippage or stuff. It was just like normal just steps in there. And the crazy thing was about that is we went back, because now we're really interested and we're, you know, say, hey, we found something in here, you know, and we went back the next day to go look at it again. And that third one in the middle of the marsh was, had disappeared. And it was gone and took a picture. Well, that's interesting. So what that tell me was that whatever had walked there had walked there within 24 hours of the time that we'd been there otherwise that step would have been gone so fairly recently that it would have done so

that was pretty exciting for us yeah so something something with 16 inch feet and you know david and i like he said our shoes are 13 inches took three steps to get across a 15 foot marsh and like david said the one that was in the water was gone the next day. So we went back there the next day to look at that. We found that. And we kind of just sat and listened for a long time just to see what we could hear. And we really didn't hear much,

but something caught my eye just across from the marsh on the other side of the trail, probably, oh, four feet off the trail, four feet or five feet off the trail. And it was right under, the canopy of a big redwood tree. And it looked like a broken tree. And so I started thinking, well, while we're just listening,

I wondered, is this a tree break that could be a sign as to wear it across the trail? You know, my mind's kind of thinking all sorts of things. But then I was looking at it closer from afar, and it didn't widen out at the base like a tree would. So I then remembered some videos where people have shown things with sticks or logs or even trees being upturned and jammed into the ground.

So once we were done listening, I decided to walk over to this thing and see if it was a tree. And the other thing that caught my attention when we'd been just sitting there listening was it was under the canopy of a redwood tree and not much grows under the canopy of a redwood tree because there's no light, the pine needles, all that stuff.

And so I walked over to this thing and looked at it, and it did look like a big stick that had been jammed into the ground. It was probably four or five inches in diameter and sticking up about three or three and a half foot. And the part that was sticking out was clearly broken. And so I started looking up into the redwood tree, and clearly it did not come from the redwood tree because it was not the same type of tree.

And then we looked at other trees to see if there was a branch that had broken or a tree stump that this could be a source of. and there was nothing around it. So it really looked like something that had been jammed into the ground. And so I started wiggling it, and sure enough, I was able to pull it out, and both ends were sharp,

and so something had caused this big limb or branch or even tree to break in two different places and then jammed one of it clear into the ground. And, you know, if a human had done that, they would have had to have done it when it was muddy, or the other way we could have done it is to pound on one end with a mallet or something and the end that was sticking out of the ground

was sharp. Nothing had pounded on it. So here, right across from where David had found these three steps and then the fourth step would have been onto the trail was this log, if you would, that had been jammed into the ground. And so that was kind of another little crazy finding. That was sort of our last day, Last full day there, we went back to camp. The night was pretty quiet. The next morning, we had to get up and start heading home, so we both woke up about 6 a.m. because we had about a 3.5 hour

hike out and then had a 10 or 12 hour drive to get back home. And we woke up at 6, and I kind of went to our little area we had set up to cook food in under the canopy of a different redwood tree. and I wanted to start some coffee. So I poured some water into a pot, and all of a sudden, a pine cone lands by one of my feet. Well, I didn't think much of it because I'm under a redwood tree. So I filled the water and put it on the little camp stove and lit the fire. And as soon as I lit the fire, another pine cone landed by my other foot.

And David is standing probably 10 feet away from me still under the tree, and we both kind of look up thinking, well, that's, you know, coincidence. Two pine cones fall and almost hit me after, you know, within five, ten seconds of each other. Well, we still didn't see anything. You know, none of the branches were moving. We couldn't see a squirrel.

There was no wind. And so I went over and sat in my little camp chair, which was probably 10 feet away from that, just to let the water boil. And as soon as I sat down, two more pine cones landed by my feed. So, you know, I look up and David is standing in the same place he had been, and he looks up and can't really see much,

so he backs out from under the tree just to get a better look. Well, in the first, the first two, I didn't think anything other. But then when the other two almost hit him sitting in his chair, I was like, what the heck's going on? So I backed out about 20 feet to get out from underneath the canopy, and I was trying to look up in the tree. and I was out in open air. There was nothing above me.

And I'm looking up and all of a sudden a pine cone lands by my foot. And then another pine cone lands by my foot. And then another one. And so we had, and the crazy thing about these was that it was like, this was all within like a minute of time. It was not like spread out over time with it. As soon as those started hitting by my foot,

both of us stood up at the same, you know, I was already saying, but we both turned and looked up a ridge. Our camp was surrounded on two sides by water, and there was a trail that came in from the side that we would walk in, and we could see down there. But both of us stood up at the same time, turned and looked up this ridge that was behind our camp,

almost like we were feeling that that's where it was coming from. We didn't see anything by coming down there. As soon as we turned and looked, it stopped. We didn't get any more pine cones over there. We started looking at those sands. things and that three of them were green pine cones. And I was like, how the heck does green pine cones fall out of a tree? I think he's don't have to pull those off, you know, in order for that to happen because there was dead, dead silent. There was no wind or anything. Looking around for squirrels,

I had seen a squirrel about 50 feet down the trail in the tree, but nothing up in the tree that was above Curtis from where he was. And so at that point, we were like, okay, someone is, throwing pine cones at us. And we're trying to figure it out of what's going on. We're six miles. It's 6.30 in the morning. And for someone to walk in six miles, they'd have to get up,

but, you know, start at 2, you know, at 2 in the morning to get there to throw pine cones and then leave. But we had game cameras around the interest to our camp, and there's no, nothing was on it. So we started, that was kind of a strange. you know, really strange event for us and stuff. And we're saying, who's throwing that? But we pack up, we were leaving that day anyway.

You know, we pack up and we start hacking out. We don't see anyone until we get about four miles back towards our truck. And we've ran into someone at that point, but they were not camping. They were hiking in at that point and they were scouting to try to look for a place for the next following weekend that they were coming up. But there was no one else around there. And so we really had no answer as something had to be pulling pine green pine cones off of trees and throwing it at us. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Eastas with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen-Yang from Los Culture Reesters with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang.

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intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. And so this was our California experience in 2022. We never saw Bigfoot. We never heard Bigfoot, but we had a lot of strange experiences that, you know, as physicians, like I said, we like David and I, every day, what we do is we listen to people, we look at data, we form a conclusion and form a treatment plan based on that. We don't have any explanation for most of these things, you know, being from a human source. So although we didn't see Bigfoot or or hear any vocalizations and again, we made a rookie mistake. We didn't take any recorders this time. So when we were asleep, we really don't know what happened. But we're in the middle of nowhere when we

were in the wilderness, we were eight miles from the trailhead. And like David said, we had had trail cams up on the trails. No one else except that one guy had come in during the whole week, and he left the next day. And then those two people we met hiking out had never even gotten back to where we were. So to the best of our knowledge, there were no other people in the forest for most of that week. this is some really interesting stuff. I think it might be good to take a few minutes to chat about this one, just so that people are able to remember it before we head on to the next one. There's some questions that I have.

So the area where it looked like something was laying down, did you get an idea for how long that area might have been on the ground? So David, you know, looked at the scat, and he studied tracking. He estimated that the scat was probably one to two weeks old based on how it looked. It was drying out. It wasn't wet. It also wasn't crumbly. So, you know, there was definitely an impression on the ground that something had been there, you know, I guess by having six or eight piles of scat around,

they had been there for more than one night, whatever was living there. So, you know, David's estimation on how old the scat was was probably one to two weeks. So we think that something had been staying there, you know, as no longer than a week or two before. And definitely there was an indentation there. So I couldn't tell you how long something had slept there.

But with six or eight piles of scat, if it is coming. It looked like one thing, one animal was inside that eagloo. I guess there could have been two, but it looked like one indentation in the ground. So however long it takes something to make six or eight piles of scat, I guess. Gotcha. And maybe to ask it a different way as well, would you say that by the size of that indentation, it looked like there could have been something that that was maybe, you know, if it was laying down maybe like six feet tall or eight feet tall or anything like that from when you looked at it? Yeah, I would say at least six feet tall and probably longer, you know.

I would say the length of the thing was eight to ten feet with an opening at the one end. And the thing took up most of the, you know, front to back area. So I would say somewhere between six and eight feet. Is that what you would say, David, give or take? Yeah, I think in that, you know, in that range. And definitely it was, you know, weed, non-cut branches. It would make the thing. The other thing, you know, we'll talk, when we get to Washington,

we can talk about what makes a 16-inch footprint, but a 16-inch footprint in a human would essentially be about, seven feet tall in a human. So that sort of gives you an idea. David's 6'4 and his foot's 11.5 inches long. So if something had a 16-inch footprint, it was probably at least, you know, if you use human measurements at least seven feet tall.

Okay. David, do you remember, you know, let's say talking about the scat, Were you able to see anything in it, like evidence of what it may have eaten, whatever it was that left it there? I didn't see, like, I'm looking for berries and things like that, and I didn't see any of that. And everything seemed pretty did digest it. I didn't see hair, you know, in there. I know the kind of the bigger things I was looking forth, you know, with that.

And interesting enough, I had spoken about being. Baxter. The video he sent me, they couldn't really tell what that animal had eaten either. So, yeah, we couldn't find specifically what it had eaten, but I tell you, it was huge. It was, if you put all of your fingers together and looked at the tips, that was probably half the diameter of how big this scat was. It was probably two or three inches in diameter, and like I said, probably two to three times as long as what a human would typically make. And I don't think that we had talked about this.

Was it laid out in a certain, like, was it in a straight line or in a pile or anything like that? Each one was kind of in a pile. Okay. Almost like, you know, not to get gross, but like a soft serve ice cream, you know, kind of coiled a little bit and then some more strayed, but it was kind of in a pile.

And it was weird. The person that talked to us about being a mark, you know, a boundary marker, that probably makes more sense just by how uniform they were around the structure. Yeah. You know, at first I thought it was just random that, that whatever had woken up in the middle of the night and had to go or in the morning and had to go,

just decided to go right or left. But someone talked about the boundary marker. And that makes more sense because they were probably all, oh, I don't know, 30 or 40 feet apart. So, you know, if you just took from the center of the igloo and drew a circle, they were all sort of right on that 40-foot or so boundary of that circle. that's that's that's extremely interesting um it sounded like there were or i i guess i'll ask it this way

um what was the sound like in the area of of that um you know that uh that structure and um where the regular sounds of the forest or what did you guys uh experience in that way i didn't hear much of anything in that area. It didn't seem any different than the other places that we were walking as far as, you know, I don't recall saying, hey, I'm not hearing any birds or, you know, or anything like that.

So it didn't seem, at that structured area, it didn't seem anything different than some of the other areas that we were walking to me. That next day, as I said, we kind of went out there and listened. David actually had some sound amplification headphones, and we both had them on, and we were listening. You could hear forest sounds.

We couldn't really tell the direction because with those sound amplification headphones, they just amplify the sound. It's not like your regular ear where you know this is off to your right or left. But we did hear some things moving in the forest. We just couldn't tell how close or bipedal or a deer. So there was some movement,

around. But like David said, I agree with him. When we were around that structure, I don't remember hearing birds or anything. Different, you know, let's say an individual has a way of leaving a track way or set of tracks. You know, humans leave their tracks a certain way or bunny rabbit leaves tracks a certain way. Was there anything that you noticed about when you found these tracks where they laid out

in a certain way. They were, there was in a straight, it was in a line, but they weren't. The first, the first track I'd say was, you know, so where you put that first footprint down. The next one was slightly to the right of it. And then the next one was in line, you know, if I was a drew a line between the, all the tracks, it was definitely heading across, just directly across this marsh area, you know, in a straight line.

But they were not like, you know, where one putting a footprint right in front of the other or not, it was slightly, I would, I would, I can look at the picture probably, you know, you'd say a foot to the right? Yeah. You know, the right foot was foot to the right or the left foot on that one, and then the next one was straight in line with the left foot. Yeah, and it looked bipedal. it looked, like David said, left, right, left. It did not look like a double step of a four-legged animal like a bear. I mean, bear would probably be the only other alternative, but then again, not a lot of bears have a four-foot step length either.

And it didn't look like if this was going to be a bear, It would have had to have double stepped perfectly three different times. It really looked the shape of a human foot. In other words, the heel was not quite as wide as the forefoot. And it definitely looked to us, at least, as being bipedal. Gotcha. What was the month again? You guys were up there in California?

It was the last week of August. Okay, so that takes the whole, it was not a bear just coming out of hibernation that was leaving those scat piles in August. No. And we were trying to, and when we decided when to go, I was like, I want to go before hunting season starts.

So that's why we normally chose that time. Gotcha. Last question about the California trip. Was there at any point where you felt anything out of the ordinary, physically, anything affected you? in any way when you were in that area? No, I didn't, I never felt anything like that.

And I never smelled anything like the bad odors or anything like that. And I would say the same. I didn't really feel anything. You know, people have asked us, you know, when the pine cones were coming, did we have a weird feeling? And David's description of us both turning

and looking up, I think we quickly, processed again the information to decide that the only place it could have been coming from was the ridge it wasn't like we felt an uneasy feeling that something was you know on the ridge behind us looking at us we just quickly processed we were surrounded on a couple sides by a creek the trail was on the other side there was the only place those pine cones could have come from if they didn't fall out of the tree above us and you know clearly with david 20 feet away they couldn't have fallen out of a tree, we just quickly felt that, you know, after processing that information,

that that's where they had to come from. And, you know, coincidence or not, as soon as we both looked up the ridge, and this was a ridge, it was probably 40 feet tall right behind our camp, as soon as we looked up, the pine cones stopped. So that was either coincidence or something didn't want us seeing them throw pine cones at us. That's one of those, that whole experience, I think, I'm trying to put myself in your guys' shoes and it would be just enough that I would be like, yeah, got to go out again, which you guys did go out again eventually, but like that's just weird enough, you know? Yeah, pretty awesome.

Yeah, and we get kidded by our family, you know, we didn't see Bigfoot and all this other stuff. And they're right, we didn't, but I don't know how to explain a lot of what went on. You know, and like you said, after that, going up there, like I said, my background with Bigfoot was finding Bigfoot. And, you know, other than exposing Bigfoot theory to many people, not a lot of people have good things to say about finding Bigfoot. So I was a skeptic, and after this, now was at least open to the idea that Bigfoot, if not being a possibility, was a probability.

Yeah, and I was higher than Curtis to start. I was in the probability phase with that. And then I think both of us, when we got out of there, we were saying, hey, this is definitely probable if you're sure something's going on there. This is Matt Rogers from Las Culture East us with Matt Rogers and Bowenia. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture Research with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card in an end up to 5% cashbacks on your favorite bundle of brands when you join Venmo's stash. Your rewards come from bundles of brands you can keep or switch every 30 days, so you can choose the ones that match your everyday spending.

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It did. Probably a lot. We talked about it. continually for the next two years. And in 2020, in 2020, we actually went looking for gold in Idaho. And if it wasn't for that, we probably would have gone big footing in 2023. But even there, we may have found a print. So even though we went looking for gold, we might have found some evidence of a bigfoot in Idaho. But, you know, we got to about January. of 2024 and David calls me up and says, we need to go on another trip. So we kind of had a discussion,

do we want to go back to the same place? I mean, that's, you know, it was a great place and there's something to habituation, you know, maybe going back we would see more, but we wanted to kind of go, after watching videos, we wanted to kind of go somewhere else. So we started discussing, well, maybe we'll go to Canada, you know, with all the findings they have around Nordic, but, you know, it's hard to get guns up there. And, you know, we wanted protection. We weren't hunting, but we didn't want to go out in the wilderness with, you know, bear around and had no guns.

So that kind of ruled out Canada. And then we thought about Alaska, but, you know, getting to Alaska is just so hard. It would take up half of our vacation just getting there and half of it getting back. So we started looking in Oregon and Washington. And I went to the BFRO like David had for California. and found that Washington had more sightings, class A and class B sightings than any other state in the U.S.

I think at the time it had 876 or something like that. I don't remember the exact norm, but there are a lot of Class A and Class B sitings, so we kind of decided to go to Washington because that's close to Canada, obviously. And like David had said about California, we wanted to just get away, so we went where the population wasn't,

There are a lot of reports on the western half of Washington, because that's also where the most population is, you know, Mount Rainier and the Cascades and the Olympics and all that stuff. But we wanted to get away from Seattle, so we started looking on the eastern side of Washington, and I actually found four or five YouTubers who have had experiences in eastern Washington. And then I found three of those specifically had a lot of activity near Sullivan Lake, which is about as far north and as far east, you can go in Washington without either going into Canada or Idaho.

And there's this campground along Sullivan Creek, which feeds into Sullivan Lake. And it has over about 10 miles, about 18 campsites. But they always, you know, when you look on reservations, they look pretty full, and we didn't really want to be around other people. So I called the ranger station there and kind of spoke to one of the rangers and asked them where we could do dispersed camping, kind of away from everybody else, but still have water source and even have a bathroom if we needed. And he suggested a place called Gypsy Meadows.

So we quickly looked it up on Google Maps, and when you look at the satellite view, it's probably maybe 12 miles up the creek or so from Sondland Lake. And while there are a few campgrounds, maybe a mile or so away, there's not a whole lot. And in fact, just across the creek, which sort of goes on the edge of Gypsy Meadows, is the Salmo Priest Wilderness.

So while we weren't in the wilderness, we were maybe 100 yards from it. And at the end of the Solvin Creek Road, maybe three or four miles up from the Gypsy Meadows, the road ended in the wilderness. And we went hiking up there one day and just saw how remote it was. So basically after finding a bunch of people on YouTube,

that's where we decided to go. So Gypsy Meadows, so we go riding, coming into Gypsy Meadows there, and like I say, it's about 12-mile dirt road. You go up there. We really got, most of the camps were not occupied at the time we were gone. We passed, you know, occasional once or twice. There was about a quarter mile just before Dixie Meadows. We passed one Traver.

The guy was there that he was in that trailer the whole time that we were there. And we go into the, the meadow, and it was empty at that point. So we went all the way to the end of the meadow as far away we could get from the main road. and set up our camp at this, you know, a pretty nice campsite there. And we got there around three in the afternoon and, you know, plenty of time to set up camp. And then something happened to Curtis right then that made more sense later, but we didn't really think much of it right then. Yeah, so we were setting up our camp and, you know, we put up our awning for a place to eat, and then we both were setting up our tents,

and after we set up our tents, I decided to blow up my air mattress while I was still alive, so I didn't have to do it when we went to bed. And I had this little backpacking air pump that probably blow up my mattress in about a minute or so. The only problem with it,

it makes a pretty high-pitched wine when you turn the motor on while it's blowing the air. And so I turned this motor on, and all of a sudden from across the creek, We estimate maybe a quarter mile away. So from the wilderness, we heard this owl start hooting. And at first we thought, well, that's a little strange, you know, because it's during the day.

But the bard owl has been known to hoot during the day. So we really didn't think much of it. But it just would not stop hooting until I turned off my pump. And as soon as I did, the hooting stopped. We only mentioned this. It did catch our attention, but it seemed like what strangeness that followed was almost always preceded by owl hoots.

So we're not saying that wasn't an owl that was hooting at us, but later on in the next few days, owl hooting sort of preceded everything else. So once you got set up, we'd heard that. Again, you didn't think anything of it. It's by a say it's cool to hear an owl, you know. But at the end of the meadow, there are the trail that goes out, um, toward the north, northeast area.

You know, we decided to go for a hike. We had a couple hours left to sunlight. So we go walking out there and we cross a creek over and we're far falling a game trail. And, um, we left the main trail and, you know, to get across this creek. And we're walking along and actually, I see a, the footprint. Like, well, for us, hey, look at this. And there just as one indentation. I mean, it wasn't quite perfectly clear or anything, but you could definitely see the heel and the wider foot and we measured it because now we're less rookies and we bring measuring tapes.

But it measured about 14 and a half inches long with that. And that's cool. So I decided, you know, we ought to cast this thing. because we never casted anything before is we are using it, but I said, you know, it's not a very, you know, great print, but hey, we need some experience in casting, so. Wellness looks different at every stage.

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we did go back and cast that one print at that time. And while we were there, it was again, essentially the same week as in 2022 as the last week of August. For whatever reason, there was a burn ban. So we couldn't have campfires, which was kind of disappointing.

But our second night there, some other campers had come into the other side of the meadow, and they were probably about 120 yards from us, and they were camped right up against the west side of the meadow, and we were sort of on the, I guess you'd call it, southeast side of the meadow, and they were about 120 yards from us. They came in kind of around dusk,

and the first rule of, big footing is when you get there, put out recorders. And of course, even though we weren't rookies, we still made a mistake. We didn't put out recorders that night. And because there was a burn ban, around 9.30 or 10, it started getting cold. And, you know, we sat around looking with our fleers all around. And we'd even gone for a night drive to see if we could pick anything up on David's dash cam or on our flares. And we saw deer and bear and all sorts of of things. But finally, around 9.30 or 10, we decided to go to bed. And just as we turned out the lights, that same owl, or at least from the same direction, kind of gave us a good night

hoot. I didn't think much of it again. I mean, this is kind of neat here in the owl. And for whatever reason, that night, I just could not get to sleep. The first night from travel, I fell right to sleep. But this night, like I said, we went to bed about 9.30, and I kind of tossed in turn for a couple of hours and finally I looked at my watch and I said, you know, 10 to 12 and I still hadn't fallen asleep. So I kind of closed my eyes, rolled over and tried to get to sleep again. And about 10 or 15 minutes later, so probably just after midnight, that same owl started hooting. But this time it didn't stop. It was almost like I had that air pump on, you know, for three or four minutes. it just kept hooting and hooting and hooting.

It would pause after four or five hoots and listen and then pick it up again. And as I'm laying there, I'm kind of getting annoyed at this owl because I'm trying to sleep. I started thinking, it's getting louder. Is it getting closer? Does an owl hoot when it flies? I don't know. But it seemed like it was getting closer and not to put human characteristics on an animal. it seemed a little more frantic.

Besides being louder, the hoots got quicker. And like I said, after four or five hoots, it would kind of stop and listen. And then I again had to kind of pause and make sure I was hearing what I was hearing. The hoots, I thought, turned into whoops. And it was distinctly different, even though it seemed to be the same voice.

And after four or five hoops, I'm about ready to get out of my sleeping bag and go wake up David. All of a sudden, there's a response off to our north and off to our east. Something answered these hoots and whoops, and they answered them with hoots. So as soon as the answer came back, the owl, if you would, stopped hooting. And so, I didn't really have a chance to get out of bed and wake up David. and I wasn't going to wake him up for nothing. So I tried to get back to sleep,

and about an hour later I was still not asleep, and the exact same pattern happened. This owl started hooting again, and then for the second time, I started hearing whoops, and this time I kind of thought to myself, well, I guess I really did hear him. And again, just as I'm about ready to get out of bed

and wake up David, those two owls off to the north and off to the east answered it. And as soon as they answered it, it was silent again. So again, I didn't wake up David. The next thing I know, I had probably, I had most likely fallen asleep, and David was shaking my tent, getting me up. That was probably around, you know, around 2 o'clock,

between 1.30 or 2 o'clock. All of a sudden I get woken up by this tremendously loud, you know, hooting and it was from where my tent was these two campers were as a younger, younger boy and an older, you know, he probably, I'd guess the older guy probably in his late 20s and the younger guy was probably in a teenager. And they had just coming in and parked on the opposite end of the, you know, the meadow from where we were more closer to the entrance on the road there. But they were parked on the, their tin was like right on the edge of the forest, we're on that side of the meadow.

And I swear this thing, the noise and the racket that I started hearing, the like hooting started from the, you know, if I'd talking about a degree from me at about 45 degrees to my right towards the creek area. And it went, it was loud and it was that, Woo, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It was moving, and it was going fast. I felt that he was going right through those guys' camp. And all of a sudden, in the middle is, whoa, woo, woo, all of a sudden,

I started hearing this, rah-bron, blah, wah, blah, blah, blah. And the colleague me, it sounded to me, if you've heard the Sierra sounds in that samurai gibberish, they were like, like, all right, but these guys were like, they were, like, angry at each other. And they were going, right, right, right, right, right. But it was moving as this is going long. And then it keeps moving probably from that 45 to the directly right by those guys' camp. I said, that's going right through their camp. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Reistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

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like, hey, did you hear that? What heck was that? And he comes climbing out of the tent and we get, have our flash hits out and we look down the meadow and these other guys are climbing out of the, their tent and what's going on. We didn't go talk to them that time at night. But it was definitely a loud screaming.

And the only thing I could picture that raw, raw, ra, ra, ra noise was compared to the Sierra sounds with it. And, you know, Curtis hadn't heard it, but I, you know, I tried to explain it to him. And he got up the next morning and actually went to talk to one of those guys. Yeah. And so just to put this in perspective, the creek is the border of the wilderness

and likely what David's describing is whatever pack was moving came from the wilderness crossed the creek, went behind these guys' camp, through the woods, across the road into the meadow, across another little small meadow, up a ridge that was essentially forest,

about a hundred more yards, and across the, the main road and back into another wilderness. So it probably traveled, you know, 150 yards at least in seconds. And it was all essentially cross-country. And this was, I looked it up later. Of course, there was a burn band, so nobody had a fire. There was no light from the fire. And it was also a waning moon that was less than a quarter of a moon. So there was no moonlight. So whatever, traveled this 150 or so yards across the creek from the wilderness did so essentially in pitch black. But David's right. The next morning, we all crawl back into bed, maybe by 2.30 or so.

We'd all been looking around for 10 or 15 minutes. I didn't sleep very well after that. I just kept waking up thinking I heard something and didn't really hear anything. But pretty soon, I see light coming into my tent and I say, I'm not sleeping, I'm just getting up. And I decided to walk down to the bathroom. So it's probably, oh, maybe an eighth of a mile away from our camp. And when I get down there, I see someone is in the bathroom and I didn't know who it was. So I kind of waited about 50 feet away. I didn't want to bother them while they were going to the bathroom.

And when the door opened, I realized it was the older of the two gentlemen that had pulled. into camp that evening. And so I kind of wanted to get a sense of what he had heard because clearly they heard something. They were out at 2 o'clock in the morning looking with flashlights all through the meadow and through the forest to see if they could find anything. But I didn't want to influence what he said.

So I said, boy, that was a crazy night, wasn't it? And he said, yeah, it was. What do you think that was? And I said, I don't know. you know, I just, I kind of wanted to get his opinion. And he said, there was a pack of them. And whatever they were, they were barking while they were running. And one of them was up in the tree or might have been up in the tree right above my tent.

And then they ran and, you know, behind your camp and up the ridge and crossed the road. And then it became silent. So I said to him, so you think they were dogs because you said they were barking? And he said, well, not really. that's the only description I could think of. You know, it just sounded like a dog barking, a bunch of dogs barking to each other. And I said, well, can you imitate it?

And so he kind of thought for a second, and he imitated the samurai sounds to me. And so then I said to him, well, have you ever heard of the Sierra sounds? And he said, no. And I said, what do you think of Bigfoot? And he kind of had a nervous chuckle. didn't even say anything else and kind of turned and walked away.

And incidentally, they left right after breakfast. I don't know if that was their plan. It might have been. Or I don't know if they were influenced by what they heard, but after breakfast they were gone. But now it's like 6.15 in the morning. I went to the bathroom. I figured David was still asleep because when I left the camp, he was asleep.

Both David and this guy said it had crossed the main road. sort of 100 yards or so behind our camp. So I decided I was in my camp shoes, which were basically like crocs. I wasn't going to be able to do any cross-country stuff, but I figured I could walk up the dirt road at least. And I walked up about 150 yards, and I noticed up this ridge,

all the grass had been churned up by something. I couldn't really see any big footprints, but something definitely had churned. up the grass going up this ridge. And then I looked to my right, and about 10 feet away, there was a tree break about nine feet up. Both David and this young man said that it crossed the road, so I figured it had to come out on the other sides somewhere.

So I walked across the road towards our camp, and our camp was still at least 100 yards away. And I'm looking into the forest. I can't really see anything because, you know, that is saying you can't see the forest because the trees. All I see are a bunch of trees. But I eventually found a trail coming out of the forest up the embankment to the road, and I marked the trail. And then I decided to walk back to camp. And when I got back just into the meadow, David was awake, and he was kind of looking around to see if he could track anything from the other side,

from our from our campside so yeah i got up and the burghers wasn't around so i started you know walk when i go i want to walk down to that those guys area and see if i could see any finding tracks or prints or things like that and there's a small meadow across from where their camp was it goes into the horse towards the road and i was in there looking and i could see you know some impressed nothing specific you know nothing like a hey this is a great footprint you like that, but definitely a game trail. So when Curtis got back, we got, got our gears, got, you know, got our stuff together and decided to go follow this game trail.

We're following, it goes across, you know, small, you know, hills and things, and we start following it up, and we end up coming up on this, or middle ridge, and we see this perfect X of, you know, two trees making, an X and it's just sitting right in front of us and the trees are, I mean, it's probably about 20 feet tall for, yeah, probably 10 inches in diameter at the bottom or so. Yeah, but it's a perfect X and we go, we started looking, examining these trees and they, the one, if we're standing looking back towards a meadow, the one on the right was bent down and it was put in between two different trees that were close together and that kind of was folding and it went on up.

We could see where it was it had broken at the rip, rip base, but it was sitting right there, but it had been pushed. And I don't know how it would be fall so perfectly to go in between these things. There was no branches on, you know, on the tree that was cleaned off. Then we looked at the other crossbar and on the other side. And this one was actually, we got pictures of it. It was actually was not broken at the base, but it was twisted. And you could see the bark was rotated or twisted in order for it to fit over this other one

and then to fit in between the other two trees that it went through. And I was like, how does that happen? How do you twist a tree to fit it, you know, naturally just in, like, no way that's going to happen naturally. And then, so we're done looking at that. And we've seen other YouTube based on people, they're X's and things like that. And they go, this has got to be, this is not natural and natural X. And we got pictures of all that and then videos are showing the twisting of that,

that one tree. How does this not break? It had to be a green tree for it to do that. So then we keep following the game trail and either not coincidentally or coincidentally, we end up walking out on the road right by Curtis, It was marked that he had marked on the road. And so it was like we had actually followed the track or the trails up into that area. You never saw any like real good footprints that we could, there was definitely disturbances

in the dirt, but nothing we could, you know, look and say, hey, there's a big footprint or anything like that at that point. And then we also looked later sort of behind that guy's camp. When we, when I talked to the guy, you know, David had originally thought that it it ran right through their camp. But I had talked to him and he had said, no, it ran through the woods right behind their camp, the whole pack.

And he said there was more than one of them. And I think David believes he heard three different voices. So we believe there were at least three of them. But we found two game trails that went right behind their camp and ended basically at the creek. So something, like I said, came from the wilderness, crossed the creek, ran behind these guys camping, whether one was in a tree above his tent or not.

I don't know, but that's what he said. I guess the other alternative, if something is very tall, it might sound like it's in a tree above your tent. But their tent was right on the edge of the forest. So I suppose it is possible that there was one of these animals in the tree above it. But that day,

not much happened. We went for some hikes. Finally, the third night, we get smart enough to put out recorders. We didn't record any of that stuff from the night before, but like I said, most nights we went on a little drive. And before we went on this drive this night, I went and put a recorder out on the Gypsy Meadows entrance sign, and it was essentially right in line with where these things had passed. I turned on the recorder, and then we went for a drive. Now, I've gone back and listened to all that, and while we were gone, you could hear some twigs breaking in the forest and something walking on the gravel. Now, that doesn't mean it couldn't have been the guy who was, you know, in the trailer a quarter mile from us, but I've gone back and listened to it,

and at least for that hour or so while we were driving, we heard something, walking around the recorder. And then about an hour after that, I heard four rock clacks. It was two clacks, stopped for about two seconds, and then two more clacks. And I thought, well, that's kind of strange. And I kept listening,

and about 10 seconds after those rock clacks, you hear David's truck driving into the meadow. So, you know, again, putting human characteristics on an animal, did it see our headlights coming from, you know, a half mile away? Did it hear our engine? Did it then clack to give a warning? I don't know, but it was either very much coincidental or it really did happen. So we got back from our drive, and again, we can't have a fire, so we went to bed pretty early. and about 11.30, again, I hear that same owl hooting across the creek again, and this time it stopped after, oh, 10 or 12 hoots, and then about five minutes after that, I heard a couple of footsteps on the ridge up above us.

Now, the twig breaking and footsteps up above my tent were probably, I don't know, 75 feet away or so. And it was going pretty slowly. In other words, I wouldn't hear constant walking. So I couldn't tell if it was bipedal or a bear. But maybe 10 minutes after that, something was right outside David's tent. So we had just started setting up our recorders,

and I put up, you know, a recorder out on a pole. They, but I put my phone and I said, I want to start recording things if I can. So my phone was ready to start recording and things inside my tent. And all of a sudden I get woken up by this hooting right is literally 10 feet away. Like there's a pole over there in the, in the meadow. I was behind this, you know, bushes of the trees, you know, where my, where my tent was. but it was only 10 feet away from his pulse. And it was right by that pole.

He was like standing in it. And it was loud and it was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, it sounds like a bard owl who, but then it goes off, you know, into like recursive, you know, it's a little different. But I was like, what do I do now? So I started recording and I'm like, do I get out now? Do I, do I turn on my light? Well, I want to scare this thing off.

I don't know what it is. I, you know, from by this time with all the hooty and things in the with, especially what I heard the night before with those Sierra sounds. I was like, oh, what do I do here? So then it started moving. It moved across and was further away. It was like across the meadow and was doing the same thing. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Eistas with Matt Rogers and Boen Yang. This is Boen Yang from Los Colteristers with Matt Rogers and Boen Yang. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cashbacks on your favorite bundle of brands when you join Venmo's

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and if this is a you know a big foot i don't know if i should start getting out of my tent or whatever i mean i was armed and things like that but it's like what do you do in that situation and it was like david said it was extremely loud You know, people talk about, they feel a percussion in their chest or something. I don't know if I felt that, but this thing was one of the loudest things I've ever heard, and it sounded like it was on the ground. Again, I guess it doesn't mean it couldn't have been an owl, but it sounded like something imitating an owl.

And this, my recorder was about 100 yards away, and I've listened to it. and on my recorder, it is extremely loud from 100 yards away. It is just crazy how loud it is. And David's looked at it on a spectrum analysis, and he'll talk about that in a second. But, you know, we get out and look around again. We don't find anything.

We kind of go back to bed. But I've since listened to that night on all my recordings. and during the night, once we were eventually asleep, after probably one or two a.m., there were two distant howls like the Ohio howls, separated by probably 15 minutes, so there was one howl and then another. We heard four or five different whistles

on my tape for that night. And then there was also a metal banging, almost like something hitting sheetmen. at all. And I've done a little bit of research on YouTube, and I found a couple of other people who were in the same campground who have heard that. And they were trying to figure out what it was. And literally just the other day, I started thinking, I wonder if it's a road sign or something that something is hitting because, you know, there are signs on the main road, you know, saying turn here for Gypsy Meadows or there's a sharp corner or speed limit or whatever.

But something, there's a metallic bang that I hear at like three in the morning on my recorder. Anyway, we didn't hear any of that because we were asleep. But David has done a spectrum analysis on that, whatever it was, it was on the ground. It wasn't in the air or it wasn't in a tree. Something was on the ground, low, making these noises. And he's done a spectrum analysis and compared it to Bardell's. I had a, you know, I took it from my iPhone recorder and put it on a, you know, audacity and put on the spectrum analysis.

And I downloaded different, three or four different barred owl sounds, you know, from the internet and tried to compare that to what it was. And they were different. They didn't look, you know, really anything, you know, liked it. So I didn't, you know, I'm not a, another sound expert. or anything like that, but when I was trying to compare it to known Bartow sounds, it was different, you know, from where it was. But I don't know what could be something that loud.

It was very loud and really close. Didn't want to get out of the tent at that. And since then, I've sent a message to, is it Chris Spencer from the Olympic Project? could be getting the name wrong. Yeah, yeah, probably Chris Spencer, David Ellis. Yeah, it was Chris Spencer. I didn't send him the recording,

but I did ask him if he's, if he has any experience or anything of them mimicking owls. And he replied to me, he's heard them mimic just about everything, but he's never heard of them mimicking owls. And so I didn't send it to him. But I've since on YouTube heard two or three other people talk about something that didn't quite sound like an owl, and they're associating it with Bigfoot activity. So, you know, thinking about that, as I said, David and I like to analyze everything, sometimes maybe way too much.

I mean, I think there are basically, you know, three options. Maybe it was all owls, and maybe we're wrong. I mean, that's option one. option two is you know at some point a bigfoot was mimicking an owl the third option because David heard whoops I heard whoops two different nights I heard whoops the the third option is you know maybe Bigfoot is using those owl hoots to try to mask their their whoops But, you know, if we're completely wrong, then we're wrong. And, you know, if option one is true that it was all owls, then we're wrong.

But I can't imagine everything, especially the, you know, that doesn't explain the Sierra sounds that David found. But if either they were mimicking owls or they used owls to mask their own whoops, that still shows, you know, pretty good intelligence to be able to do that. But anyway, the next morning we got up and we got up and we were. we both walked down to the bathroom, and there was this little road going into Gypsy Meadows. It's probably, I don't know, what would you say, David, 10 feet wide, 8 feet wide, something like that. It's not a two-lane road.

It's a one-lane road, basically. Yeah, one-lane, maybe, yeah, maybe it made a 10-feet wide or something. Yeah. But anyway, we're walking down, and we look down in the tracks that David's one-ton truck had made, all of a sudden we see this 18 by six, so 18 inches long and six inches wide wet spot that looked like a foot.

And there was only one of them. So if this was a real print and we think it was, you know, it basically took one step onto the road and was gone and it was probably probably a little more than halfway across, maybe two thirds away across the road. And then we started looking around, and the creek was only maybe 100 to 150 yards away. And then I think David noticed that right where it had crossed the main road, there was another tree break.

And this tree break was fairly fresh in that the upper part, the leaves were just starting to turn yellow, but they still had green needles on them. and the needles below were completely green. So we're not saying that the tree break occurred at the same time as this print, but something left a wet 18-inch footprint on that road. The break on the green tree, at one time it had been green. So like you said, the upper, the leaves on above the brake were yellow,

So they had been dying for a little while. But the brake was up about nine feet, nine feet tall. And there again, we'd looking around to see, how was that break? There's something following this, you know, whatever end there's not. It's like something that held up there and actually had to hold it and break it in order for it. And it was pointed towards the road again like the other one we had seen back in 22,

it pointed towards the trail. So that was pretty strange, you know, for that. I got a picture of that wet footprint next to my shoe, and it definitely is big. Yeah. And that afternoon, we found a trail across the road. It was a regular hiking trail. We took it up, and probably about a mile and a half to two miles up the trail. Just off the trail, there were some grass that was maybe two and a half, three feet tall.

And David noticed that there was a bedding area for probably, three or four deer. It wasn't, they weren't big. I'm not implying that anything bigger than a deer was there. And we thought, oh, that's kind of neat. But what we had missed going out, we found on the way back that afternoon

about 50 feet from those three or four little deer beds in this grass, something with two feet had stood in the grass about 50 feet away and had a pats. had apparently been looking at these deer while they were sleeping, David actually found both the deer beds and the other print, and both of them were just like five feet off the trail,

but something had either stood or perhaps squatted, and you could definitely see about 18-inch impression in the grass where something had stood with one foot, you know, maybe six inches away from the other foot, and it was looking in the direction of those deer. So that was kind of crazy, too. It was standing right by a tree, and just two different footprints,

you know, just smashing the grass down. You could definitely see that. So the next thing that happened was, you know, the next day we were just relaxing in midday in our hammocks, and by this time we're thinking, okay, are these hoots mimicking or not? And so we were starting to wonder what that is. So then mid-afternoon, we're just resting in our hammocks,

and all of a sudden we hear just by about 30 feet away up on the ridge behind our camp. We hear this who, you know, and we look at each other and go, that is close. So we grabbed our gear, and they grabbed my camera, grab our gear, you know, and started heading up the ridge behind our camp. thinking we're going to see something and find something. And it's close.

And I turn my camera on. I'm trying to, we're not running. We're walking slow. We're trying to catch something and then follow this. And we start following this trail. And we see these big prints in the side of this ridge. And we have pictures of these big prints. They're all about 16 inches long.

And we're following this up, this ridge when we go. And as we're going along, all of a sudden off into the other direction from where we had seen the X direction across the road. On the other side of the road, we hear these three distinct whoops, you know, not, not dudes. They were down, woo, who, who, who. And I'd turn to Curtis and I go, we're not, we're not moving. We're going where we're going, because I'm not getting distracted and cold in a different direction, because this thing is this direction from where we were going.

And he agreed, and we, you know, we kept going. and not too long after that, my battery died. It was like, what the heck? This is a fully charged battery and it's going out, you know, within, you know, just a few minutes of the time that we're up here videotaping. And I hadn't grabbed an extra battery. I didn't think he was going to die because it had been fully charged. But who knows why that happens, you know, with that.

But on the way back, I had noticed a wet area, you know, on the way back. So I kept that in my mind before we had gone. I don't know if you had anything to say on that perspective, but we had started to walk into some other areas. Yeah, so we also found a TP structure when we were following those hoots up the ridge. It was probably five branches that came together at a point, probably 20 feet tall.

So here behind our camp there was an X, maybe 100 yards directly by our camp, and then off more towards the, I guess it would be north, maybe 150 yards from that X. We found a T-P structure. But we didn't really find much the next day. And David's actually looked at his video of that little marsh that he saw. And there was nothing in the marsh that evening.

The next morning was our last full day there. We both got up and decided to walk down to the bathroom about 7 a.m. And David went into the bathroom, and I didn't want to just stand there while he was going to the bathroom. So I decided to walk out to the road, and I kind of walked past that guy's trailer that we talked about who had been there the whole time we were there. And when I walked by, he was inside his trailer. And in the four or five days we had been there, we had seen him pretty much every day and waved at him, said hi. And he was walking his dog in the meadow. He'd say hi to us.

We really didn't talk to him, but we were cordial with him, and he was cordial with us. So I kind of walked down the main road and cut back through the campground, and he was the only one in this dispersed camp area, and he'd been there the whole week. And when I came back up, maybe two minutes later, he was outside looking around his trailer. And instead of saying hi, this time he goes, where's your buddy? What's he wearing? And, you know, I'm thinking to myself, I'm a guy. I don't know what my buddy is going. But I said, why?

He goes, well, was he dressed in tan from head to toe? And I said, no, I don't think so. And he's still in the bathroom. What's going on? And he said, well, I heard you guys walking down to the bathroom. And I saw you walk up to the road. And I sat down in my chair. and about 10 seconds after you walked up to the road,

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15 seconds of him scratching at his door, the guy got up and looked. He said he was expecting to see one of us in his camp, which we would have never done. We're not going to walk into somebody's camp at 7 in the morning. But anyway, that's what he expected, and that's why he asked what David was wearing. And he said, from the creek to the road, he saw something big and tan from head to toe walk that whole distance. Now, the thing you have to realize is this is still a forested area. So it's kind of like you might see it for a second and then not see it for three or four seconds and then see a glimpse of it again and then, you know, not see it, and then another glimpse. And in 10 seconds, it was across the road. So he saw something big and tan walk from the wilderness area across the

creek and up to the road. And, you know, David gets out of the bathroom and we all look around, didn't really find anything at the time. And so we started talking to the guy and he said, you know, I've been here the whole week like you guys have, and I've heard some really strange things. I've heard, you know, sounds at night, and he basically verified the samurai chatter from the couple nights before. He didn't really hear the chatter,

but whatever had made the noise woke him up the same time that David heard the chatter. He said he's heard wood knocks, he heard a tree get knocked over, and then he looked at David and I, and he said, I think I just saw Bigfoot. and you know there was no one else in the campground david and i were the only other humans i was down you know down the road maybe a hundred yards and david was in the bathroom and something came out of

the wilderness locked between his trailer in the bathroom and it walked up the road um so that was pretty interesting and then that late afternoon david had an idea thinking back to what we had done in California and it was sort of our last thing in Washington that we checked out. So I remember when I noted that wet area, when you're going up with my camera on that ridge and I told Curtis, I don't want to leave without going to checking this out. It's a trap, trap, or a track, trap, and I want to go check it out or else I'm going to always wonder. So we went back up there and we're walking along and looking and we come around the corner

and here are two footprints in the mud that I go, wow, look at that. And we go over there and we start, we measure them. And they're 16 and a half inches long. And the stride was 48 to 52 inches, you know, for the next step. And I go, this is amazing. And they're wide. We definitely see some toes on there. It was in the wet, wetness.

It wasn't like deep water or anything. But they were definitely visible, and we got pictures of those. And then we look around and we started saying, okay, where did they come from? And we started looking back and where it got actually more, more wet. And there was actually water in this kind of creaky type marsh area. We could see all the water was covered with the pine needles that had fallen on the water. And it was just still water. And you could see these.

areas of steps where there was no pine needles. And we followed it back and they were all about the same, you know, distance of stride. And we kept falling in the back and he went about 100 yards further in that direction. And we found a by a tree kind of on the uphill slant. We found this, again, a 16-half-inch footprint with toes and stuff. It was on a hill. So we weren't able to cast that. And we weren't able to cast the ones in the mud because of how,

what it was, but we took pictures, measured it, and stuff interesting later, like Curtis said, I went back to my video recorder and we had walked by that area the day before when I was, we were chasing that food and I didn't, I couldn't see those footprints in that same, you know, swap the day before. So in retrospect, it was interesting that we were showing that something had walked up that night, you know, through that wet area. And, you know, we talked earlier what makes the 16 and a half inch foot. I was a math major in college, so numbers just intrigued me. And a 16 and a half inch foot, which is what David found in a human equates essentially

to a seven foot tall person. Shaquille O'Neal's foot is 16 and a half inches, and he wears a size 22 shoe. And to put that in perspective, you know, how many people are seven feet tall, and it's basically one person per quarter million people. So it's pretty rare. And then I knew that in orthopedics, which is my specialty, we have gate analysis studies. And so I went to the formula used to kind of match step length to height, and David had measured 48 to 50 to 80.

inches between these four steps through that marsh and just using the lowest number, if you equate that to a human, a human stride is usually about 33, 34 inches for a six foot tall person. To have a 48 inch stride, you have to be nine feet six inches tall if you're a human. And then, you know, to put that in perspective, I then said, well, is there even a nine foot tall person alive, and the tallest person in known written history was like 8 feet 10 inches. So there's never, in least recent history, been anybody nine feet tall or bigger. So although we never, again, saw Bigfoot on this trip or anything like that, and like David had said about California, we never smelled anything.

we heard David heard samurai sounds and we found extra large footprints with toes that equate to a giant if they were a human. So the chances of it being human are infinitesimal, really. So I think we're both in the camp now that Bigfoot was there in Washington, Then we were there. Guys, this is, this is a wild account. I mean, are you guys playing on maybe going back there someday? If this was me, I would be already like, okay, I'm going back to this area. Or maybe if you don't want to, it did get a little intense.

Saturday. We're going Saturday. We're leaving, so we're leaving Saturday. With Saturdays? And we're practicing that. You know, it's a different time of the year, but we're going Saturday. And then we're also planning on going. back again at the end of August in case there's some kind of migrational thing and we don't

find anything in, you know, next week. So yes, we're definitely going back to Washington at least two more times. Oh, wow. Is this still going to be the two of you or are any plans? Are there any local researchers to that area I'm trying to think? So, yeah, there are. The one that we talked about, that we'd watched his videos. He's going to meet up with us there. His name is Will Homer. And then Jonathan and Sarah Brown heard our story, and Jonathan called me.

He actually called me when I was in Antarctica, believe it or not. I was on a cruise ship down in Antarctica, and he woke me up at like 2 in the morning. And he said, hey, are you guys available in June to go up again? So we're meeting Jonathan and Sarah Brown. on and this Will Homer in June. Now, when we go back in August, we're just planning on going on the two of us.

Yeah, our wives are going with us this time. They want to go up on this trip, so we're taking them those bait. You laugh, but I mean, we all know that. Yeah, they like women. Yeah, when the female side is introduced, some really weird things can happen, right? I mean.

Definitely. Yeah, so this next week, there'll be at least Sarah Brown and then our two wives. So hopefully that will attract something. Wow. Man, so the Brown's so good. I would assume they're going to be documenting that as well. They plan on it. They want to see Jonathan heard about our story,

and I talked to him on the phone for an hour or so, and he wants to go see all these things like the X. I mean, the X should still be there. It's just, you know, what are we, eight months ago, the X should still be there, and you should be able to see the twisted bottom of the tree, and obviously the footprints won't be there, but they can at least see the area.

And then Will Homer is one of the local guys, and he's going to be there. he's had a lot of experience more down in the campground area. I don't believe he is actually camped up in Gypsy Meadows, but he said he wanted to join us and see if we can find anything. That's awesome. You know, it'd be great to see. I'm a big fan of their Salish Sasquatch channel.

They do a great job. Yeah. So it'll be cool to see what they are able to document. But also, the other guy is, is that the Grassman 58 channel? Yes. Yeah, okay, okay. I was like, it sounds really familiar. I was looking through the pictures you sent while you guys were talking.

And that that picture of the X is absolutely, it's incredible. Just the way that it is, it's really woven. And if you guys are cool that like, can I put that in the? Everything is the speed. Version. Yeah. Yeah, you can post any, anything you want to send you. I think I send you all the pictures of the prints and all that too.

So. It's amazing. It's a perfectly symmetrical X. Yeah. And both branches are wedged in between two standing trees that are only about six feet apart, those two trees. And the space they're wedged in is probably only a foot. And then, like David said, the one tree, its root ball had been pushed up,

but the other tree is twisted at the base. So, you know, you think could the one fall that way, sure, but I don't know unless there was a tornado, how one, the other tree would twist. And, of course, if there was a tornado, the other trees around would be gone too. So, I mean, it just, it is an amazing X structure. There's no doubt.

It's probably one of the best ones that I've seen. It is so good that I'm like, man, is this like a screen cap from like the Todd standing documentary? Like, look at that, like look through the metadata of the photo. I was like, oh, it's that it's right there. Like I looked up the, the, when you take a photo with an iPhone, it captures the metadata and you can look up the, you know, the location on it. I was like, oh, it's right where they're saying it is. And like David said, it's probably only 100 yards behind where our tents were. And the crazy thing is, it was probably 30 more yards to the road or 40 more yards.

From the road, I couldn't see it. Like I said, I was looking in from the road when I marked the trail. And from a camp, you can't see it. You only see it when you get maybe, I don't know, what would you say, 20 yards from it, David, maybe or 30 yards from it. Yeah, I mean, if you were walking up, we didn't sit till we got, you know, we're coming up a hill when we're worth than that. But if you're coming in from the road, you wouldn't get it until you get inside the tree line. Right. Absolutely incredible.

The, the hooting weird sounds that you were hearing at any point did it sound like, you know, you would hear the who and then at the end of it, what it would, sound like it was something that was messing it up or didn't really know how to finish the sound or like it didn't do the normal owl sound correct at the end? Was there anything like that at all? That's what I interpreted it as is, you know, it had been, it had been mimic. You know, again, I messaged Chris Spencer. He hasn't heard of anything mimicking owls. And I respect his work, you know, immensely. And Sarah and Jonathan have the recording, and they said that they would send it to Chris. I don't know if he's looked at it or listened to it. But it sounded to me, like at first something was pretty well mimicking the owl. But then, again, like I said, I'm sort

of putting human characteristics on this sound. After a couple of minutes, it was a little bit. It was is getting louder and the hoots became quicker. And as they became quicker, they sort of degraded into a whoop. So, you know, I guess it's almost as if it couldn't keep up the perfect mimicking if it was mimicking an owl and then resorted to, we've all heard whoops being described or heard recordings of whoops. So that's sort of how I interpreted. obviously my interpretation could be wrong.

You know, the other option, like I said, is if the owl was making most of that first, you know, minute and a half, two minutes of that hooting, you know, maybe the loop was only to come at the end of the hooting to sort of mix in and kind of confuse anything else. I mean, I look at those as the two options. And either way, whether it is mimicking and then just, degrades after a couple of minutes or whether it just adds it on, that takes intelligence to do.

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And then back to ooting as you're moving across the forest. So even, you know, if my other explanations, and even if Chris Spencer is correct that he hasn't heard owls being mimicked, that still doesn't explain the Sierra sounds that David definitely heard. And, you know, the other camper heard as he verified the next morning. Exactly. And I think that's a great way to put that, because it is a unique account where you have. the other campers, and then you have the gentleman in the trailer that had the visual as well. It's just, it's a really, really cool account. I can't wait to see, you know, what happens when you guys go back. It's very cool.

Yeah, we can't either. And that's a, that's a wild drive for you, though. Isn't it? Tell me about it. Yeah. Yeah, so I had to fly from Phoenix to Sacramento. And then it's like a 14-hour drive from there, David, or something like that. Yeah, we'll drive up probably halfway, stay somewhere and then finish it off.

But like you said, with what we've, in no putting down what we found in California, we definitely have the fever after what we found in Washington, and it's worth the drive up there. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I definitely understand that. Neither you had had the visual, but you're just extremely, extremely close. It's, yeah, it just, it gets you. I totally, totally get it.

And so I would assume that you guys are both, the needle probably moved away after that last account. What would you say? I don't think the needle can move much far away. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, I'm a math nerd. And in my mind, I've done the probability of having a seven foot tall or a greater person running 150 yards through the forest at night, in the dark, barefoot in a light rain, across terrain, and traveling that distance in 20 or so seconds.

I've done the math and it is infinitesimal. Literally, it's greater than one in 50 million chance that that could have been a human that ran across that guy's camp that night. You know, I know that sounds crazy, but I'm a numbers guy, I think in numbers, and it is just almost impossible for any of that to have been a human. And what other animal can speak, you know,

samurai chatter. Stop. You know, that's the, so we're, we're pretty convinced now, if you're right. Absolutely. Is it a thing where are you, are you prepared to potentially have a siting when you go back in just a few days, potentially? That's an interesting question. So I was talking about that.

So I wouldn't take the end, people always ask me, what are you going to do when you, you know, see one or need one type thing. And one of the things that just hit me over the last month or two hit, and just to get back to my interest in the Indians and stuff, is like, I would like to try to communicate if possible, you know, with these things. And I'm trying to figure out how to you do that. And my one thought came up is, if these guys have been around for so long and around Indian tribes and they've all, you know, other Indians used, you know, tribes used to actually

trade with them or, you know, they felt that they were the keepers of the forest. They kept, you know, they were like another tribe of people out there. And I believe these are intelligent beings. I think they're as intelligent as we are, they're a lot more knowledgeable of nature than we are. But my thought came is, how about Native American sign language? And maybe that was passed on in their generation, if they were a part of them. I think they've observed people and they can pick up on things and stuff, but it was an interesting thought for me that the Native American sign language might be something that would be passed down their generations and stuff. So I've been trying to learn some of that in case, you know, that was, you know, one of my things and stuff. So I'm trying to prepare for that for if that happens.

It's all going to be on how aggressive they are or how with willing they're doing, but we've been trying to learn some of that information in case of what might be that happens. And when David brought that up to me last week, that idea popped into his head. I started looking up the native tribes that were in the area in northeast Washington and the Colville Indians were there. And so I tried to look up if they had a, spoken language and I've I've looked up the word for peace and the word for a friend

so we we have those two words that we have in spoken language and David's been learning sign language and then it'll be interesting to have you know Jonathan Brown there who you know lives on an Indian reservation and and see what his thoughts are regarding that the sign language thing has actually come up in a few interviews that I've done thinking specifically of the chat I had with with Ernie from Western Massachusetts where there was some

sign language involved with that one. Also there's some guy, there's at least one gentleman I've talked to off record where he yeah, that is a part of it where sign language seems to be effective. So I would say you're probably on

the right track there. David, is there a resource that you found where, you know, you're looking up? There's a, um, the two to think, I got two different books on it. Um, they weren't doing exactly what I was liking. I found a YouTube channel that is, that's been more helpful for me in where they have been old Native American talking to somebody and he's using his hands and explaining the language because there's more to it than just. learn a certain page, it's the expressions and how you do it with it.

So I've been kind of going through that, trying to, you know, that's been more helpful to me going and looking at that old guy talking Clintons and he speaks and he talks to the same time. So that's been interesting. That's awesome. And I think, you know, just from talking to you guys for a little bit, It sounds, what I'm getting is you guys definitely have the right, you know, intention and the right motivation in all this. And I don't know how you guys feel about all that, but I have found from talking to hundreds of people and also being in the field with a few different people that,

that definitely does play into it is how the person is when they go into the field and why they're there. and do they have a positive intent or negative intent that plays into it? So I think you guys are on the right trail there as well, unless I'm totally off base with that, but I don't think I am. I think we kind of went into it at the beginning with curiosity. And now we're even more curious, even though we've learned a lot.

And, you know, we definitely want to know. We think we know, we're pretty sure we know, but we want to know. And obviously, we're not there to hunt. We're not there to do anything. We just at first sort of did this as a fluke, but now we're hooked, basically. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Rees with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Colteristers with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cashbacks on your favorite bundle of brands when you

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Well, David and Curse has been just a really fun chat with you guys. I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you had wanted to share on the show tonight. I think the only other thing, one other time, and this is just a small finding, we were hiking in the wilderness across the creek, and we came, We're literally in the middle of nowhere, and there are no human trails around. And we came across this about five-foot stump of this big, huge tree. And on top of this tree stumped was a fresh mushroom. So this, yeah, I forgot about that thing.

The mushroom is, it's like almost head high. And I look at it, and I'm going, what is that doing? It's laying sideways. And I was thinking, well, maybe it's growing out there. And I went over and it picked it up. And it was not. It was set there on top of this stump in that particular place. And it was a fresh mushroom.

It wasn't dried up. It was like brand new fresh month. It could have been growing there, but it was not. It was not attached. So something had placed this mushing in the middle of the wilderness that we were hiking on top of this stump. And if we're to believe that that night that David heard them travel from across the wilderness or across the creek from the wilderness up to that other ridge, that is the direction they came from.

So that was the only other thing that we saw or heard that we didn't really talk about. So thanks for letting us add that at the end here. Absolutely. You know, I would say definitely keep in touch, guys. It'll be interesting to see what happens, you know, in just a few days, but also later on in the summer. and, you know, I hope I hope some really cool stuff happens.

Maybe you guys get freaked out a little bit, maybe not too much, but, you know, I hope it all goes well for you. So that would be well, even if it doesn't, I'll be camping with my buddy, so that's what counts. Yeah, there you go. There you go. But we have bait right now. We got the wives.

So there you go. Well, thank you both for coming on the show tonight. I appreciate coming on, Chris, David. All right. Thank you, Jeremiah. Hi. My name is Phyllis Barnett. I'm 61 years old. I was about, it's been about 17 years, I think. I was going through Oregon. I was visiting family, and I was heading home, and it was a little after 8 a.m. in the morning. And I stopped to look at the view coming out of Orville.

and I think it was Orville. I know I was not too far from Trinidad. And I saw two Bigfoot coming out of the water. One was down in the water and turned and looked at me. And the other one stood up and turned and looked at me and started walking towards me. I was about 10 feet from me or so. And I got a real good look at it. And it scared the anatomy.

And I didn't know what I was looking at. I remembered seeing photos of Bigfoot and stuff. And it looked like a Bigfoot. And no doubt. And I had nightmares for weeks after that. He must have been about eight, nine feet tall. He was humongous. Like I said, I wasn't too far away from him.

I now live in Washington in Pierce County, and my son was out hiking and took some video, and we're pretty sure he found a Bigfoot nest over by Mount Rainier. We live about 30 miles, 20, 30 miles from Mount Rainier now, and I'm hoping to see one again. But it did scare me to death, and I ran to my car and left. I had a camera, but I was so scared. I just left. Thank you for listening. Bye.

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