Bigfoot Society - Saved by a Hatchet in the San Gabriels

Episode Date: September 1, 2023

In this episode I talk to Jon, an individual that has had many interesting Class A Bigfoot interactions in the southern part of California.Note: The first 20 minutes of this interview has some unfortu...nate recording issues but once you get past that, it’s all good.We discuss locations such as the:The Klamath regionA Bible Camp in the Azusa MountainsA Summer Camp in the San Bernardino MountainsSan Gabriel MountainsThis episode covers ground from encounters at California summer camps to a terrifying face to face encounter in the San Gabriels where Jon was barely able to make it out alive.Do not miss this episode.WATCH THE IOWA EPISODE IN THE “SASQUATCH: A SEARCH FOR SABE” DOCUMENTARY SERIES BY TATE HIERONYMUS // FIND OUT ALL ABOUT MY FIRST BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo8O4rvywzECall the Bigfoot Society BIGFOOT ENCOUNTER hotline! Have you seen a Sasquatch and would like to get what happened “off your chest” but don’t have time for an interview? NOW YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR TIME AND SHARE IT WITH THE WORLD! Share it here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsocietyTo unlock more bonus content and much more, become a supporting member of Bigfoot Society by joining the Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyBecome a Youtube Channel member here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinSupport Bigfoot Society one time by buying me a coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyTo pick up a Bigfoot Society shirt, stickers and more, check out our merch by heading on over to https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietySend me a voice message to potentially be used for the show by calling 515-809-0165Here’s a fun prompt - “Hey, my name’s [your name] and you’re listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast!”If you’d like to send me fan mail, Bigfoot related products to check out or written out Bigfoot encounters then you reach me at the following address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Join our private Facebook group "Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters" for a chance to connect with others who have had similar experiences. Follow the directions to ensure your entry is accepted.https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_linkTune in to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q) for new episodes of Bigfoot Society, and visit our website (www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com) for all the links mentioned above and more.Don't miss out on the Bigfoot action! ——Affiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases.This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.—— MY GEAR ——My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYMy Podcast Mic: https://amzn.to/3AlYwb9My Computer: https://amzn.to/40CCjQyMy Headphones: https://amzn.to/40A8gcrMy Webcam: https://amzn.to/3NqfddhThe best Bigfoot book: https://amzn.to/41x8IcNLose the weight along with me on Noom. Get 20% off your subscription with link below. (Consult your doctor first) https://noom.com/r/GdkaWNddL?1251Join Whatnot and pick up some sweet video games and vintage shirts. Use my link below and we both get $10 credit after you place your first order. https://whatnot.com/invite/bigfootsocietyLearn more and up your creative game with Skillshare. Use my link and get a $50 gift card.https://share.skillshare.com/bigfootsociety

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Starting point is 00:01:30 and I just, I lay there. I just lay there. And I'm quiet, not really breathing. I'm listening. And the closer they got, the more terrified I became. Like, I felt fear before. And this, this was, this was nothing like the fear I felt before. This, this was unbearable.
Starting point is 00:01:55 And this thing walks up to the door of my tent. I'm about ready to like, I'm about ready to like, I'm about ready to defend myself, even if I'm going to, like, even if I'm going to disappear, right? I'm about ready to defend myself. I have this axe in my hand. Doesn't tear the tent open, doesn't push on it, doesn't expect it, nothing. It walks around the tent over and over and over again. Hi there, you're listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced Sasquatch in some way or another,
Starting point is 00:02:30 so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to and share this episode with a friend. It does not cost a thing and it helps the show continue to grow. Great news. I did get back from my Bigfoot expedition
Starting point is 00:02:45 with Tate Hieronymus and friends without an issue. You'll hear more about that much later, but I want to do a special thank you to some more people that helped support the expedition. Special thank you to Scott D. for buying two coffees. He says,
Starting point is 00:03:00 have fun going squatching. Appreciate that buddy. And also a special thank you to someone for buying five coffees. Good luck and I hope you come back with some great stories. I will. I mean,
Starting point is 00:03:12 I did. You're just not going to hear him yet because my buddy Tate is going to come out with another Iowa episode. So I'm going to wait until then. Make sure you're subscribed to Tate's channel.
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Starting point is 00:03:37 so let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, I've got the privilege of talking to a gentleman that reached out to me via email. His name is John. And how's it going tonight, John? I'm doing well. I'm just at home, chilling out, experience, because it had a significant impact on me.
Starting point is 00:04:00 and it's been weighing on me. And so I reached out and here we are. So keep chatting with you. Absolutely. John, we have to be a little bit careful about some certain things about yourself. But what are some things maybe that you can share with the listener to give context about the area that we're dealing with, et cetera? So I was born and raised in the city. but a lot of my life has also been spent out in the woods
Starting point is 00:04:37 out in California. In California, I've been up and down the state, and a lot of my experiences have been throughout the state. And so there's not really one specific spot where they keep happening or, you know, I can only think of a couple of, different areas I've been where multiple encounters have happened to me. But in terms of specific mountain ranges or national parks, I've had two encounters in
Starting point is 00:05:18 Camleth National Park up by the Oregon border, and I've had, I believe, three, well, one encounter and two other, like, strange. occurrences, if you will, as far down as the bottom tip of the San Gabriel's. And so it's all up and down, California. I've had these encounters or strange happenings at 15 in total, or well, 16, actually. About six of which have been face-to-face with something. and so the rest have been, you know, whistles, wood knocks, you know, you're out camping and you hear something walk up to your tent, curious. Oh, I like that. Wow.
Starting point is 00:06:11 And so that's definitely a lot right off the bat. Over a span of how many years would you say this has been happening? Many, many years. I was a boy scout as a kid. my love for the wilderness. I still love the woods. It doesn't matter how many encounters I've had. It's not just Bigfoot that I've encountered,
Starting point is 00:06:35 but, you know, that is, I'm going to leave those as they are because we're not talking about those today. But generally, I would say my first encounter as far as I can remember, the first time I saw a Sasquatch face to face
Starting point is 00:06:57 was actually when I was in fourth grade. So when it was like nine, almost 10 years old. I was actually at a Bible camp, you know, funnily enough, I'm a man of God. And so when I first saw the thing, it really rocked me, you know. Growing up as a Christian, you believe that what you see out in front of you
Starting point is 00:07:22 was what God has created. And then to have something, show up that goes so far beyond what your little minds at the time mine was very small right and only nine could comprehend it uh it changed you um but this one of the 16 encounters or strange happenings if you will that i've had had been relatively peaceful the first one i had I was in a cabin and I got woken up because I thought something was staring at me, you know, that feeling you're
Starting point is 00:07:58 being washed in the middle of the night. Then I up, I wake up, and it's looking at me out through the window on the opposite side of where I was. And it was still there, and it was looking at me, and I was looking at him, and I was terrified.
Starting point is 00:08:21 And it caught his head. And when it did that, like just enough moonlight had hit its eyeballs and it reflected back green. Now, if you know primates, primates are much like our own, they don't reflect back light. That's not, they're not necessarily nocturnal creatures, right? They're much like us. We work day and night, right? So there's no reason for there to be, you know, cones and rods that reflects light back out of your eye.
Starting point is 00:09:03 And so, of course, I didn't know that at the time, but that was my first experience. So I started researching as young as 14, bothered me for several years before I decided to look into it. You know, now I have the understanding of what I thought. Well, like, of course it rocked me. a nine-year-old kid. It wasn't even human. You know, what I saw was unnatural, in my opinion.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Or that was my opinion at the time. So that's most of my experiences, especially face-to-face, very curious. They're very curious creatures.
Starting point is 00:09:50 You know, You know, 50 experiences the most I've had happen to me was a small stick or stone thrown in my direction as a, you know, don't walk any further, you know. And so I turn around and I walk out. I started doing more research. You know, if I'm ever in a wooded area for very long, you know, I like to go camping and I'm. I would sometimes go camping for a few weeks to a month. So I'm in their area for a significant time. Well, a lot of the times native tribes would take offerings and place these offerings on a tree stump or stone.
Starting point is 00:10:37 You wait a couple days if you go back and there's, some say raven feathers, other say hawk or eagle feathers. I've experienced both, to be completely honest. but generally speaking if I play say like apples like I played d&D a lot so one time I just placed these colorful d and dyes that I had sure enough they put those and in the place put feathers and I hadn't had an issue with them
Starting point is 00:11:05 granted I'd always feel watched right they're always watching you when you're out there in their area but if you expect them and you expect their wishes because essentially you are a guest in their home, generally speaking that we were alone. Yeah, so the most of my accountants have been very, very peaceful and very respectful, you know, even in the point where in some areas I've kind of gained a reputation.
Starting point is 00:11:35 That's the thing. They're incredibly curious, but also incredibly smart creatures. They will remember a face when they see it, right? they're like almost akin to crows um crow they're very very intelligent and they do remember faces and if they don't like you
Starting point is 00:11:53 they will not like you for as long as they live right very much to say I've heard chatter I've heard you know the casual whistle or a couple whoops here and there if you respect them
Starting point is 00:12:13 and are around them long enough, it seems to me that you start to gain sort of reputation with those specific families. And yes, I do say families for reasons. And so in some areas, I've actually had them protect me, believe it or not. This has only happened significantly at least once. I was night hiking up all the way. And this one is one of the ones in Camleth. I was night hiking all the way up in Camlith. And she's doing my thing. And I start to come up on what smells like cat smell, you know. Different animals have different smells, right? You got a bear smell. It smells all musky and stuff. Well, cats smell like
Starting point is 00:13:06 mountain lions and stuff. They may, it's interesting. They mainly smell like like human sweat. Like that's that's the most I can compare it to it's like very subtle hints of body odor dirt and neat and so I was smelling that. I'm like, okay, I have a cat either on my tail or it's around and it just happens to be in front of me. Maybe it hasn't noticed yet. Well, sure enough, I'm walking down this trail. I'm about to turn around because I'm getting to the end of the trail. and
Starting point is 00:13:45 this cat comes walking out of the tree line to my right and it starts walking directly toward me and it goes to crouch. You know, that strange crouch walk they do. And I'm like, okay, well, I mean, if this is it, this is it.
Starting point is 00:14:09 You know, that's kind of been my mentality out in the woods, right? They're beautiful, but sometimes they're unforgiving, you know? And if that's it, then that's it. And so, mountain line gets maybe not 10 feet away before I start smelling a different kind of smell, a very familiar kind of smell.
Starting point is 00:14:35 You know, most people describe it as smelling like a wet dog or extreme body odor or like human feces, right? You know, the squat smell, as people call it. That's what I was smelling. And I was like, okay, this is confusing, right? And it walks up behind me, you know, I can feel its footsteps. It walks up behind me. I go to grab a stick that was on my right.
Starting point is 00:15:08 And when I go to grab it as I stand up, it actually reaches around, picks the stick out of my hands, and tosses it. And it just stands there behind me. And then this cat was scared enough to leave because it did eventually leave. It nudged me forward. Like, keep going. I have you. There have been instances like that where in subtle ways or like that's the, like I said,
Starting point is 00:15:34 that's the only like significant way of how it happened where if you respect their territory, or if you respect their home, they're happy to make sure that you're relatively safe. It's very strange to me. So that's in Klamath National Forest in Northern California, correct? Yes. And so for listeners, this is just north of the Marble Mountain Wilderness area, I believe.
Starting point is 00:16:03 And also kind of in the same area as Happy Camp, some big foot you know nerds may know of that area too yeah so it's just northwest of the Marble Mountains and it spans
Starting point is 00:16:24 most of it's on the California side of the Oregon California border but it spans all the way north into Oregon and interestingly enough most encounters that I've heard about happen above the Oregon border part of Klaman. I find it very, very, like to this day, it racks my brain as to why.
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Starting point is 00:19:14 Venmo MasterCard is issued by the Bankor Bank N. You know, such an elusive creature who wants to keep hidden Who wants their space respected So as far as to help me When I've only seen Any one of that I don't know if it's a couple there.
Starting point is 00:19:38 I don't know if it's a family there. I haven't been up there that often, right? But why would they do that for someone that they haven't had much experience with yet? Why then? They don't do that at all, really. So it was very confusing for me. You know, I appreciated it.
Starting point is 00:19:59 I wasn't going to get eaten. So that's a plus for sure. So it was behind you, took the stick out of your hands. Yeah, no. And the funny thing is it was a good like two or two and a half feet behind me. It wasn't directly behind me. And it was still tall enough and long enough to completely reach around me and grab the stick out of my hand. This thing was big. Did at any point you actually see the creature than it being behind you? No. I know one thing about them, even at that point, they don't like, they don't like their face. face to be seen. So given that it just helped me out, I
Starting point is 00:20:43 wasn't going to be the first one to turn around. I did see a hand, though. And most of my encounters at that point, I did not see their hands. You know, when you see something like that, what do you do? You lock onto its eyes, right?
Starting point is 00:21:02 That's your natural instinct. I haven't seen their hands yet. The thing that caught me so off guard about the hand, specifically, And it wasn't even a, it wasn't like a full moon, but it was, it was still a full enough moon to where I could see really well, right? And it was being like just a larger version of ours. It's hand only had four fingers. I didn't see a stub of a fifth.
Starting point is 00:21:37 Any of that. It had four fingers and it had these long, really long claws on it. I'm not saying, I'm not talking fingernails. I'm talking claws. right like there's a there's a point where your fingernails become claws that they're long enough right um they look sharp i mean i mean you know we wonder how why it's so easy for you know saskwash to strip bark off of trees that's why they looked wicked sharp um yeah it only had the four fingers think of it like it looks like its middle finger would have been missing.
Starting point is 00:22:23 It's index finger, its ring finger, and its pinky finger. But it looks like that was completely natural for it. Like it was born that way, right? So like I said, no stump. Well, you look at pictures of different subspecies of squash, their footprints. What do you see? and then have three toes seven of them five or four
Starting point is 00:22:49 I've seen one where it was two toes so I do believe it's on genetic diversity with them you know there's there's a lot of different tales or you know like Native American legends in Alaska
Starting point is 00:23:06 and in the Pacific Northwest where there's supposedly tribes of like four-toed Sasquatch that are usually you know, you don't want to mess with them. They can be pretty rough. Right. No, exactly.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Which then they did even further the question, why would it help me, right? Because after it nudge me forward, I just kept walking. And it was paralleling me. It went up the ridge where the mountain line had come from. And it was paralleling me, making sure that I was either,
Starting point is 00:23:42 going to the Pacific destination or going to turn around. I was going to turn around on the trail because my camp was about a mile behind me at that point. And when I went to turn the head of the trail, I put my head down, turned around, and then kept walking back toward my camp. And it paralleled me the whole way.
Starting point is 00:24:05 And so I started, I started wondering, I researched this. those same Native American legends that say hey these these guys are not they're not fun to mess around with they also say
Starting point is 00:24:26 that these four-toed Sasquatch tribes would be there they will help you get back to camp I did some research in yes it is true that the natives say that these four-toed Sasquoise watches are not to be messed with, right?
Starting point is 00:24:51 They're pretty rough. It also says that if they see it fit for you to be there, and there's a couple conditions to this apparently, they will routinely help you back to where your supposed, quote, home is, if the time arises, if the need arises. I was like, okay, what are these couple of conditions? because obviously I was about to get my face eaten by a mountain lion and it had helped me to some degree, right?
Starting point is 00:25:26 Whether that was its intention or not. And these couple of conditions is one, if you have given them food or some sort of offering in the past, two, if you are there solely to see the name, Native say the, we'll call it our equivalent of Mother Nature. So it's a native word that I cannot pronounce for the life of me. But they say that, or if you're simply there to enjoy Mother Nature and you mean no harm to their territory, they will see it fit.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Well, I don't know if these things thought that I had. no intention of harming their territory. But what I do know is after my first encounter in Camlith, because there is a hunting reserve there that I went to the first time around. And I had an encounter. Well, I took that same deer that I was hunting and I found the flattest rock around that I could find. And I put that deer there. I just left it.
Starting point is 00:26:48 I just left the whole thing. I wasn't about to, I wasn't about to screw with that, you know. And so I'm pretty sure Sasquatch being intelligent as they are, I'm pretty sure they may have remembered that the second time around. Will I go back? Probably not. You know, I don't know how much their patience lasts. But like I said, a lot of my encounters have been very peaceful.
Starting point is 00:27:19 which is why the last one I've had who rocks me so hard. It's fascinating the whole leaving the animal for the creature because when I've talked to a few hunters that comes up and it's different parts of the U.S. as well.
Starting point is 00:27:42 I mean, even in Oklahoma leaving part of the animal that you've hunted for these creatures in order to you know have a good relationship but just it's incredible before we get too far away from the first encounter is there do you feel comfortable sharing anything about that summer camp you were at well i can say that it was you know i've had my best friend um he's actually more of a brother to me now we've known each other since we were four years old and that was his grandparents uh by
Starting point is 00:28:23 camp. And this isn't where I live, so I'm comfortable sharing to some degree. It was in the Azusa Mountains area. I know that's not what they're called, but like just to give other listeners an idea, right? It's in that area. Well, come to find out, that's a migratory area for a lot of them. A lot of Sasquatches, actually pass through those ridges because there's a couple valleys here and there in that general vicinity of California. They'll pass through those ridgeways to get to the Sierra Nevada is to move out past California. And so that's, I assume, that's what ended up happening. You know, a bunch of kids running around, you know, you've been watching them all day. They finally go to sleep and you're curious enough to like, hey, I wonder what these guys are actually doing in these weird like brick, these weird like, you know, brick shaped shelters, right?
Starting point is 00:29:38 Like, I wonder what they're doing in there. Are they doing what I'm doing what I'm doing in my shelters? Like, I'm sure it was curious enough at that point to take a peek. And my cabin happened to be the one that took a peek at. Is there a history of Bigfoot encounters in that Bible camp that you know of? I don't know of any about Bigfoot specifically. Sure. But talking to my best friend's grandparents,
Starting point is 00:30:10 I asked for some strange stories around the place. And they give a couple, you know. You know, we be Christians believe that where God works, the enemy tries to work harder, you know, the enemy being Satan. So there's a lot of spiritual warfare there. I get it. Yeah. So they've shared a couple of those stories.
Starting point is 00:30:32 But when I asked specifically about, I said, I believe the words I use, what about certain animals? They got very hush, hush. They shut that down pretty quick. So I think they know there have been a couple reports, but for the sake of the camp and sake of, you know, people feeling safe enough to go there. Because you don't want to go to a camp and experience Jesus where you don't feel safe. No, no, that wouldn't, that would be against the point. I think that'd be the opposite of what the whole point of the message is, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:13 Yeah, I asked them about that indirectly, but very pointedly. And they immediately got hushed. They immediately shut that down. So like, okay, I might not be the only one. So I don't know if it's Sasquahawrash specifically or Bigfoot specifically. but it is interesting to me that when asked about it they're like ah we don't talk about that they didn't say no they didn't say we don't know any about any of that they said we don't talk about it was like oh i see right so i might not be the only one that's had a maybe not a bigfoot
Starting point is 00:31:53 encounter per se but definitely a strange encounter interesting yeah another mystery. Well, we'll leave that where it is, but John, feel free to continue. This one's fun. This one's really fun. This happened when I was when I was 14. Again, at another summer camp, different place farther north than the one I previously mentioned. But this one was pretty significant in my understanding of them. So in this particular camp, the cabins, there's a path down to a grass field where they would set up bleachers, you know, they would have their amphitheater there and do, you know, sermons and stuff, right? Well, again, I like to take night hikes.
Starting point is 00:32:56 So what do I do? I ask my counselor, hey, can I go ahead and take a night hike? He's like, sure, make sure you don't die. I'm like, I will try, right? and I just walked the trail to the amphitheater and, you know, my plan was to walk the trail to the amphitheater come all the way around because that loops all the way back to my cabin that I was staying at. Well, I get down to that grass field. I'm looking forward to the grass field is more to my right. The trail kind of occurs into it.
Starting point is 00:33:32 I'm looking forward. Jeremiah the the quickness in which my hair on the back of my neck shot up and a chill went up not down up my spine toward like the crown of my head
Starting point is 00:33:49 my knees locked like I stood there like it was like my body was told to stay still and it did you know they've been subconscious or something. I don't know. It was a full moon that night.
Starting point is 00:34:11 It was completely full moon. And I see pretty darn well at night anyway. You know, like some people will say, oh, well, you know, dusk is really, really dark, actually. And I'll be like, what do you mean? I can see the edge. I can see the tree line from like, you know, 100, 150 yards away. Like, what do you mean? Right. So I can see pretty well at night. And I was able to see everything with this full moon.
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Starting point is 00:37:58 and it's just standing there. I guess it's just curious or maybe I just happened upon it, right? And it's just kind of like, oh, well, hello there, right? anyone who goes out like if I could say one thing that is the most significant piece about my encounters here in my time talking with you Jeremiah X anyone that goes hunting for Sasquatch
Starting point is 00:38:29 don't go with the goal of seeing one please because those people are not ready for the size of these things. They simply are not ready for how big they can actually get. This thing had to be at least 1,500 pounds
Starting point is 00:38:53 easy. Its shoulders were wider than a good portion wider than the door frame of my house. And that's considered a wide door frame. Like, I mean,
Starting point is 00:39:10 I'm talking, I can see the silhouette, but, you know, because it's a full moon, I could see like the fur kind of coming off of the piece of the silhouette that I could see, right? And when it breathed, every muscle that supported its breathing would ripple under its fur, every single one. And it was huge. The bleachers weren't set up at that point, right? It was too early in the week. But I could kind of, I could kind of in that moment visualize the, because my brain's,
Starting point is 00:39:45 analyzing this, right? It's moving down the logic train of like, oh my God, how much danger am I actually in right now? Those bleachers are 14 feet tall. And I know this because there are marked lines like ribbons
Starting point is 00:40:03 around the trees of where they set the bleachers, so it's center on the field, and the height of the ribbons is where the of where the the top of the bleachers would, you know, not like the steps.
Starting point is 00:40:18 I'm talking about like the two or three rungs above the steps, right? This thing's head past those ribbons by at least a foot and a half. It was the biggest animal I have
Starting point is 00:40:36 ever seen on the planet. I can't even begin to describe you. There's no way, really, to describe. You know, I'm a 5'4-740-pound guy. I'm not big. And this thing made me feel like an ant on the floor, right?
Starting point is 00:41:04 Like, that's how big these things get. I can say that confidently because I know other people, not personally, but like through different stories on the internet and through different reports. There are other people that are like, no, I've seen them and they get ridiculously big from time to time. There are other reports of, you know, 13, 14 foot tall creatures like that. I just happen to be one of them that saw something that big. it is like thinking about it even right now and like visualizing it in my head it it still gives me chills it still like makes me speechless just that there's just the sheer size of it you know if you put mike tyson in a ring with this thing like it would crumple them up like a piece of perip or chew
Starting point is 00:42:04 them up spin them out like it was so much easy it it's terrible how just a sheer power that these things hold. Would you be able to share a rough area of what region of California this other camp was in just for context? The San Bernardino Mountains. Okay. Gotcha. No, that was a pretty big milestone for me. Because so far, I've only had two face-to-face encounters, and they were, like most reports,
Starting point is 00:42:48 seven to ten feet tall, 800 to 1,000 pounds, musly, needy, right? Standoffish, but not really, like, threatening. This one didn't even have to threaten me, and I was immediately like, I'm going to die tonight. Like, that was my first thought. Like I'm legitimately, if I move a muscle, I'm going to die tonight. Well, I didn't have to move a muscle. I didn't have to do anything. I just sat there looking at it.
Starting point is 00:43:21 And I guess it was done looking at me. 180 and went back the direction it came from. And when I tell you, you're going to have 50 yards away, 20, like anywhere between 45 to 50 yards away. I felt it's I felt it's football still I still felt its footfall I still felt it's football I felt it all the way till it hit the tree line that's how careless it was
Starting point is 00:43:49 because it knew that anything that it came across would not be running if it came up to it it did not need to be stealthier or silent there is nothing anything could do to outrun out strong arm like it's like it carried the confidence of of like a really big grizzly bear right have you ever seen videos of those on the internet these massive co-de-back bears bears are known to be stealthy for their size these
Starting point is 00:44:18 codiac bears man they don't care they'll walk right up to a deer pick it up in its mouth and move along because it knows right it is the apex of its area that thing knew it was the apex of its area that thing knew it was the apex of its area and carried that confidence like it was it's it's still unnerves me but again right a simple peaceful interaction a transaction a transaction almost a thing of understanding the understanding being i'm terrified of you and i respect you for that and i understand that you respect me, I'm going to go now. Like, if you respect them, like, that's the golden rule I live by out in the woods.
Starting point is 00:45:12 If they are in the area, if you respect them, they will respect you in respecting them, and you will have brokered a tenuous peace. Tenuous, but still peace. So these early stories, you had a peaceful situation with these creatures, but it sounds like that was not always the case. No. That's where my most recent encounter kind of comes in.
Starting point is 00:45:49 Sure. Why not get into that? There's a specific spot in the San Gabriel Mountains that before this moment, I absolutely adored. There's a trail in the bottom end of the San Gabriel's right as it heads into like, you know, the mountains that, I don't know what they call, but the mountains that stretch into Baja, California,
Starting point is 00:46:20 into Mexico, there's a trail that wraps around the mountain, that bottom edge. And that trail has separate switchbacks that lead off from it at the base of the mountain. One of those switchbacks comes around a split in the peaks, and goes into a saddleback that is man it's at the perfect spot almost all right so yeah this trail leads to a saddleback
Starting point is 00:46:56 in between two peaks essentially two separate parts of the mountain range and man the saddleback is like at the perfect elevation and it's not too hot or cold in the summer and it's not too
Starting point is 00:47:16 you know it's not too bad in the winter either the spring is gorgeous it's like two miles of intermittent plains and woodline in the saddleback you know it's gorgeous
Starting point is 00:47:31 there are deer that live in that saddleback um I know because I've hunted them like um and you know That would be my, for years, like an upward of four or five years, that place would be my favorite spot to go and just camp out for weeks on end. And this last time, it was the December of 2020 going into the winner of 21, the beginning of 21.
Starting point is 00:48:08 I went there because I wanted to see, I wanted to test myself, right? I've been in all sorts of biomes in the world and this. I've done all my thing, right? I wanted to see if I could survive for two months in the winter in that saddleback. Mostly for two reasons. One, I wanted to test myself and two, I wanted to see just how much of a habitat bubble. This thing produces, right? It's just massive expanse.
Starting point is 00:48:41 And so, you know, I brought two months. months worth of rations and I parked my car close to the mountain base. It takes a day to hike there, really. I take a day to hike there. You know, I do my thing. Get there by nightfall, set up camp, light of fire, and I go to bed and wake up doing my thing, blah, blah. Now, what I like to tell people is that I accidentally forgot to bring the last month of rations, even though I prepared them. And so I had to either, you know, force myself to go gather leaks or hunt food, not even leaps like wild potatoes too, or go home. And so I decided to go home. That's my normal spiel about this of why I don't go there anymore.
Starting point is 00:49:37 And it always confuses people Well like oh well that's not really a problem Just go back better prepared right That's kind of what I mentioned in my email I I don't like lying to them And so I feel like if I could Share this
Starting point is 00:49:59 And get it off my shoulders I may not have to speak about it again And I'm willing to do that So about two weeks in to this trip. I'm walking this trail that I've walked, I can't even tell you how many times before. You know, being in the woods as much as I have
Starting point is 00:50:29 or anyone that has, you begin to get a sense, almost like a sixth sense in those areas. Or just in general, like it bleeds in your normal life. of just situational awareness, right? Like this deep awareness of what's happening around you in the woods. And I've had instances where like red flags have been raised in the back of my mind before, right? I've had, I've had bear encounters, right? Like your body's telling me, hey, you-hoo, there's something there that should not be, right?
Starting point is 00:51:07 I was walking this trail and it weren't just red flags, dropping in my head. It's like someone took the Liberty Bell, put it over my head, and started ringing it. It was loud and jarring. Like, you know, those thoughts that like nag at the back of your head, this one was like punching me in the back of my head. That's how bad it was. That's how like wrong everything felt. And so I'm walking this trail and I'm like, there's some something wrong. These aren't the words that I knew, right? Something different is here. Something new is here. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. I have type 2 diabetes, but I manage it well. It's a little pill with the big story to tell.
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Starting point is 00:54:14 So I stopped and I take my time to listen to really like observe and to get a sense of my surroundings. Winter is quiet in general. How much is true. You'll still hear things. You'll still hear snowfall, you know, coming down from tree branches. You'll still hear the occasional rabbit fits passing by, right? There was nothing. There was absolutely nothing.
Starting point is 00:54:48 I witnessed snowfall off a branch and I heard nothing. The air was so incredibly still. It was like I had to walk forward to breathe it in. It was so thick and still. And that's when I started getting the chills all over my body. And they started at the left side of my body and moved right. And I was like, okay, I'm being watched. And I'm not just being watched as a precaution.
Starting point is 00:55:30 I'm actively being stalked. I'm actively being hunted. Whatever is new here is either making sure that I leave permanently or it wants to kill me. It's that simple. So I triangulate where I'm at, pick that direction, and beeline it as a crow flies, back to camp to get to camp next couple weeks are pretty chill i'm just doing my thing i go out
Starting point is 00:56:01 gather whatever you know dead wood i can find right anything that's dry enough to make a decent to keep the fire going right you know because in winter you don't want to keep trying to restart fires you want to keep the same one going i'm doing my thing i have my rations dry nuts meats cheese cubes, you know, just simple stuff that'll fill your belly, but like, it's not, not so perishable. And I'm just chilling. Well, it was the week of December 30th. On that, in that time, December, the December the 30th and the 31st split the week and half between the end of December and the beginning of January. So the 31st of December, sorry, the 30th of December rolls around. And I'm in my bed, I'm sleeping.
Starting point is 00:57:01 I wake up. Like, completely wake up. And it wasn't like, oh, I heard something and it woke me up. No, like, I suddenly could not find the energy to sleep. I was soulful of adrenaline and energy. It forced my body to wake up. Well, I didn't have any rifles or anything on me. I didn't have any guns on me.
Starting point is 00:57:28 I didn't figure that I was going to be, you know, really killing anything. But I had my camping axe, right? So I grab it. I put it next to my head. And I just, I lay there. I just lay there. And I'm quiet. I'm not really breathing.
Starting point is 00:57:45 I'm listening. and in the snow I start hearing footsteps and then you know you have a combination of hearing footsteps and feeling footsteps and the closer they got the more terrified I became like I felt fear before and this this was this was nothing like the fear I felt before it is this was unbearable um and then this thing walks up to the door of my tent. I'm about ready to, like, I'm about ready to defend myself, even if I'm going to, like, even if I'm going to disappear, right? I'm about ready to defend myself. I have this axe in my hand. It doesn't tear the tent open, doesn't push on it, doesn't inspect it, nothing.
Starting point is 00:58:39 It walks around the tent over and over and over again. As if just to say, I'm here and there's nothing you can do about it. And then it does that till dawn. And as soon as I see the sun peeking up over the ridge line of the mountain off to my, off to my northwest, I feel like go. It just goes. It just leaves. That thing purposely went to my camp to terrify me that whole night starting around like maybe 233 in the morning.
Starting point is 00:59:18 I'm like, okay. new situation nothing I can't handle that was sketch whatever right so I get out my fire's still going thankfully I was hoping it wouldn't have
Starting point is 00:59:35 messed with it but it's still going so I go I grab more wood I keep the fire replenished I eat my breakfast and I didn't at that point I really wasn't infused to do any
Starting point is 00:59:50 that day. I wasn't going out experiencing nature. I wasn't looking at the wildlife. That's still around at that point. Because remember, this is only the middle of winter, right? There are still things up and about. Things that are hibernating
Starting point is 01:00:06 are already hibernating. Right. So you'll see your couple deer. You'll see your couple hairs. You know, there's few of them, but they're out and about. I just didn't have the the will or the drive to, you know, experience any of that anymore. Like, that first close-up encounter with, from what I know, this brand new
Starting point is 01:00:33 Sasquatch to the area, soured that for me. But I wanted to stay for two months. And so, you know, in my, at that point in time, still young and dumb minds, I was like, screw it. I'm going to stay for two months, dang it. And I meant it, you know. I'm not going to go through all this preparation and not make it work. Well,
Starting point is 01:01:00 that lasted about to the end of the week. Because every night, they're on until I actually saw this thing. It came out to my camp, circled all night. And this
Starting point is 01:01:21 time, that, you know, those times, it didn't wait until I was asleep. It started at dusk. I would go to bed near dusk because that's how I like my sleep schedule out in the woods anyway. And it moved in and at dusk. Circle my tent all night long. Finally, I wait, you know, I'm up in the morning, obviously. It would bother me.
Starting point is 01:01:45 It would bother me all night. Finally, the next night I sleep, I finally get some good decent sleep. And I wake up. And I'm cold. I'm like really cold. Too cold for me to be in a sub-zero sleeping bag in my tent that should be heated because of the fire. I get out of my tent. What fire? This thing had kicked out my fire in the middle of the night and I did not wake up to hear it. Either I was too like tired or it was that quiet, but it kicked out my fire. So I'm like, okay, obviously it wants me to leave. So what I do is I pick up what I can from the wood that was left.
Starting point is 01:02:38 I gather more wood. I restart my fire and I start packing up because I know, right, it's going to take a long time for me to hike down those mountains. To the base of a mountain, that's an eight to 12 hour hike depending on how fast you go, right? So I pack up my things. I grab my rations. I'm surprised it didn't even take them. To me up to this day, I'm like, why the hell didn't it just take my rations?
Starting point is 01:03:10 Like, they're there, take them. I don't care. So long as you leave me alone, right, I'll be able to figure it out. Oh, it just left them there. So I took them, I packed them, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I get the fire going to make sure that I was warm, right, enough to actually get moving. And as I get ready to leave, as I'm putting the fire, out. I see movement out of the corner. My head is down, but I see movement out of the
Starting point is 01:03:34 corner of my eye coming out of the tree line. And I'm like, okay, here we go. I already knew. I already knew. This thing was standing some ways away from me. Well, I stand up and I look at it, and it's standing at the tree line. So it's standing away from the tree line enough and the clearing that I was at for me to see it but it wasn't like in the woods you know and it was by all intents and purposes it was it was a it was a it was a normal Sasquatch like maybe eight and a half feet tall probably 950 pounds anywhere between nine actually no anywhere between like nine 10 and 920 I feel like it was a bit skinny on the skinnier side or something that tall But I can see it, right?
Starting point is 01:04:31 Like, it was there. It was looking at me. And I pick up my axe. Like, I'm like, okay, if I need to defend myself, I'm absolutely willing to. I'm not going down without a fight, right? And it's looking at me, and it starts to sway back and forth. you know like have you seen have you seen like i'm sure you have you have you have you seen like football players will like uh they'll set up little tires or whatever they have and they'll like
Starting point is 01:05:11 move in between the cones or whatever back and forth back swaying motion same exactly except it was two feet was on the ground right swaying back and forth back and forth and it got faster, in faster, in faster, right? Like, it seemed like it could not stop going faster, right? And I'm like, I feel like this thing is about to try and juke me out. Like, it doesn't want me to know exactly which direction it's going to come from when it goes to charge me, right? So my, I was so done, man, and I was so tired.
Starting point is 01:05:54 My stupid self picked up one of the rocks that I was using for my firing, and I threw at it and I screamed. I mean, I didn't throw it far enough to hit it, obviously, right? I barely made it. I didn't even barely make it. It's kind of like launched and blocked. And I yelled at it. You know, I was like, leave me the F alone.
Starting point is 01:06:14 And it stops when. And it almost looked like, it almost like tilted its head back into its neck. Like it was like appalled that I did that to it, you know? Like, how dare you? Right. So it looks appalch. Like it legit looks like, looks at me like, how dare you do that to me, right? And this is kind of where it gets hard to talk about.
Starting point is 01:06:43 It smiles at me. And if you know anything about apes, smiling is an act of communication. and that communication is, I'm going to kill you now. I have had enough. I am going to kill you. No bluff charges. No nothing.
Starting point is 01:07:13 You will die. It's that simple. And as soon as it smiles at me, it's like time slowed down. And I felt that adrenaline rush, you know? And I started to get tunnel vision, you know, like the sight around the corners of my eyes
Starting point is 01:07:32 narrows on this thing. And sure enough, it charges at me. And it was so fast it covered the distance between it and me.
Starting point is 01:07:56 You know, it would have taken me a whole minute and minute to go from work to sprint from where I was, where it would have been. It covered that distance in less than 10 seconds. It was so unbelievably fast. And I don't know if it was the adrenaline or if it was the tunnel vision or it was because I was just simply paying attention.
Starting point is 01:08:22 I saw which side it was going to collide with me on and I threw myself under the snow on the other side. It barely missed me. It barely missed me. I mean, at that point, I said screw the fire. I already had my backpack on. I said her running. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. I have type two diabetes, but I manage it well. It's a little bill with the big story to tell. I take once daily audience at each. And for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, Jardians can lower the risk of cardiovascular death too. Prescription Jardians, Empiglphlosin, 10 or 25 milligram tablets, are used to lower blood sugar along with diet and exercise and adults with type 2 diabetes. Jardians is not
Starting point is 01:09:21 for use to lower blood sugar in people with type 1 diabetes and not for people with type 2 diabetes who have severe kidney disease. Serious side effects include increased ketones in blood or urine and infection between and around the anus and genitals. Both may be fatal. Severe allergic reactions, urinary tract or genital yeast infections and men and women and low blood sugar. Stop taking and tell your doctor right away if you have nausea, vomiting, stomach pain, tiredness, rash, swelling, trouble breathing or swallowing. Tell your doctor about lightheadedness, weakness, fever, pain, tenderness, redness, or swelling between the anus and genitals.
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Starting point is 01:11:23 And, you know, at that point, time didn't seem to matter or affect me. I knew it was keeping up with me very easily. And he was, like, I felt like he was, he was always on my tail, you know. And in that, on that trail to the saddleback, there's plenty of little hollows and ridges and all that jazz. Coming down the mountain for each one, every time there was a rise, I'm, I'm grabbing on tree branches, trying to move myself up the rise as fast as possible. Every time there's a dip, I just launched myself off the dip and hope I land. like
Starting point is 01:12:05 that's how that's how unbelievably scared and ready to get out of there I was right and I didn't even stop sprinting like I didn't stop sprinting
Starting point is 01:12:20 I couldn't stop sprinting I couldn't stop sprinting like even if I wanted to there was no way I would force my body to stop like it was it was strange I'm obviously in my body but it was like an out of body experience
Starting point is 01:12:39 in the sense of I had no control I kept moving like every instinct in me took my body completely over and I just moved and I did that for like it didn't feel like it it definitely did not feel this long
Starting point is 01:12:59 but knowing that trail in knowing how long it would take you to get down the mountain, even, you know, doing it as the crows fly like I did. It takes six to eight hours to do that. I was sprinting, and I don't know how long. It must have been around that, around at least between five to eight hours. It had to be that long, but eventually I did make it to my car. I did dead sprint that way to my car.
Starting point is 01:13:38 It's something I will probably never be able to do again, mainly because I haven't experienced anything like that again. But as I'm bumrushing my car, I somehow find my keys in that process. I unlock it. You know, my keys are always on a belt loop on my pants, right? Like with a terabiner, you know, some people have them. So I just unlock it usually with my hand right there.
Starting point is 01:14:08 That's just dangling from my side. So I did that. And thank God I did. I don't think I had a second to spare if I had them in like in my pocket. Because I threw my door open and I slammed it shut. And this thing like full force ran into my car. Like it didn't stop. It didn't do anything.
Starting point is 01:14:28 It just like allowed its body to use that momentum into my vehicle. and I am shocked that my car didn't tip over. Like it tipped a little bit but it eventually made its way down. The top, and I drive a sedan
Starting point is 01:14:45 for a Ford Focus for reference, the top of its like where the joint between the thigh and the hip is, the top of that, that joint there met the top of my driver's side window.
Starting point is 01:15:03 and as I'm kind of processing that, I realize what my car is still tipping. No, my car is tipping back and forth. No, this thing has my car by the hood in its hands and it's shaking the shit out of my car. I'm like, I've got to get this thing off my car. I'm never going to be able to get out of here. Like it's going to put my vehicle into the, into the snow and into the mud so bad, I won't ever have the traction to get out, right? Well, my camping axe is still right there in my passenger seat.
Starting point is 01:15:46 I guess I'd tossed it on my way in. My backpack was actually still on my back. I took my backpack off, threw it in the back real quick. I took my axe, rolled down the window. aimed right at that spot where it's hit meets its um fry and you know i kind of half chopped at it half through it it it was it was far enough to where like my axe left the axe left my hands just enough to like give it that extra ump right and it it it landed it where i wanted to land i mean it was the creature was right there.
Starting point is 01:16:34 But I guess I had thrown it hard enough to where, like, I buried that thing deep in his thigh, like in that joint. I buried it deep. It lets out a yelp. I start rolling up my window because it's starting to back up. And I realize as I'm rolling my window up, I didn't just bury it deep. I buried the whole axe head into that portion of its leg. and it decided I guess it didn't want to mess with me anymore.
Starting point is 01:17:06 I was already on my way out and I heard it. And it turns around and it starts to kind of like hop limp away. But when it yelled out when I did that, I didn't ever hear a sound of pain like that before. It was a mixture of anger. again pain just pure frustration you know
Starting point is 01:17:37 and it was loud it was powerful and it rattled the windows in my car and I felt it all through my chest like that thing has so much power and I know
Starting point is 01:17:53 it looked pissed off at me when I saw in the clearing I honestly lead to this day, think that if it wanted me dead, it would have killed me in that clearing. I think the only reason I survived that whole thing and was able to get to my car. It linked
Starting point is 01:18:13 away with my axe in its thigh. I just left it. I just left it in it. I didn't care. I just wanted out. I think the only reason I survived is at all past like the first initial charge and even coming down the mountain as fast as I was, as
Starting point is 01:18:31 as it was going. was because it was trying to scare me enough to leave, and I simply wasn't leaving. I think it had enough and just wanted me out. Because if it wanted to, it would have absolutely killed me. 100% it would have absolutely, like, rip me to shreds. And then I'd be another, like, you know, missing 4-1-1. Like, I would have gone in the mountains and never come back.
Starting point is 01:18:59 And I drove home. You know, I had my snow chains and stuff on my car, so I was fine driving out of there and I drove home and I haven't been I haven't been back since I've been out in the woods since I'm not going to let that deter my love for the woods
Starting point is 01:19:20 I haven't been back to the San Gabriel since that time I can no longer go back to my favorite spot up there and enjoy it even if it wasn't there I think I would always have looming sense of needing to look over my shoulder. It completely entirely ruined that for me.
Starting point is 01:19:46 And, you know, like I said, I haven't had mostly peaceful encounters before this. That was the most violent. Like, you know, I believe fully that this world is as, you know, sick with evil and violence as it is, you know, full of, you know, good things and blessings and all that. The face it made when it went to smile at me, like this thing had all of the violence in the world at its disposal.
Starting point is 01:20:27 That was the most violent thing I've ever seen in animal do to me or anyone. you know and it could have done that to anybody it just happened to be me I've never seen I had never seen any animal be that I didn't even like that violent to like that territorial that willing
Starting point is 01:20:55 to cause such like psychological and emotional damage you know for us for weeks it again and again like I said it circled my camp just to scare me just just to let me know that I'm there and there's nothing I could do about it and when it finally came to pass that I would see it and it revealed itself to me you know it still had all the power in the world I still could do nothing about it my life was in that thing's hands and for whatever reason
Starting point is 01:21:36 just decided maybe I'm not worth it. So just get me out of here. And that's exactly what it did. I can see how you've never wanted to talk about that. I mean, that is absolutely horrifying. Thank you for sharing that. No, yeah, of course. Tonight.
Starting point is 01:22:07 It feels nice to finally get that out of it out there. It feels nice. Is that something where that scene plays over? has it taken a while to get past that where it'll play over in your mind? You just kind of I still think about it from time to time.
Starting point is 01:22:35 Yeah. You know, the worst part is that I said severe ADHD, there's almost a sickening curiosity in me to look up exactly why that happened. What I get wrong, what I could have done better.
Starting point is 01:22:50 But the more and more I think about it, the only thing I really did wrong was show up to a place I'd been to so many times before it happened to either make its home there or having to be passing through the only thing I did wrong was show up I showed up to my favorite place and that's that I guess that's the sin it considered great enough to make my time there, the time that I was supposed to be at peace, a living nightmare, a living hell.
Starting point is 01:23:33 I think the second mistake I made was not listening to every part of my body telling me to just leave that first time around. You know, the first time I went out to actually look for wood and look for resources. That was my second mistake. I should have listened to my gut. I should have listened to my, you know, the senses of my surroundings.
Starting point is 01:23:57 And I didn't. But, you know, it's just, it really breaks my heart that the only thing I actually did wrong was go to my, was go to my spot that I go for peace in life. To just get out and get compressed from life. That's, that's all I did. I just showed up. And that was my mistake. And now I can't go back for fear of that thing.
Starting point is 01:24:26 still being there. You know, I don't know how Sasquashes migrate past, you know, actually like documented migration trails that they seem to have, right? I don't know if they sometimes just pick a spot, hunker down, and make that their home for our, God knows how long.
Starting point is 01:24:47 I don't know if it's going to be there if I go to show back up. What if showing back up? The second time is the exact mistake that kills me the next time. I can no longer go back to my favorite spot and feel safe. And that sucks. In my personal opinion, I know it's just an animal. But like some part of me feels,
Starting point is 01:25:16 I know it's just an animal in that it probably felt threatens that it arrived and then maybe soon after I arrived and, you know, we're two intelligent beings in the same place looking to live at that place for however long. Maybe it felt threatened by that piece, right? it's just an animal trying to do its best to survive. Right? Every animal does that.
Starting point is 01:25:41 But there's a strange piece of me that's just like so selfish of, man, that was just plain mean. You know? Like the whole thing, it was violent and it was scary and it was terrible. And I was on adrenaline that whole. back half of that encounter. And part of me really just wants to, you know, I guess the illogical part of me really just sit down and go, mom, that was just mean of it. I wasn't bothering it.
Starting point is 01:26:16 I wasn't doing anything about it. Even a mother bear, right? If you don't bother it and you put your, put your face in the dirt, put your hands over your neck and hope to pray to dear God that it doesn't consider you food that day, you just leave it alone it'll leave you alone you alone. I left that thing alone
Starting point is 01:26:41 and it still came after me and I guess part of me doesn't understand why why it had to be just so plain mean about it but I guess that
Starting point is 01:26:59 because that part of me really comes from you know I guess some subconscious piece like I kind of own the place. I really don't, but like I've been there enough times and it, you know, not really left my mark per se. Like leave no trace or something I heavily, heavily lived by
Starting point is 01:27:18 when out in the woods. You know, you stay at a place enough times for greater lengths of times, right? There's a mark that you leave. Whether it's your scent, whether it's, you know, a fresh burn spot on the ground that'll heal over with time from your campfire, little things like that. You leave a mark there.
Starting point is 01:27:47 And I guess part of me felt like I left my mark there enough to claim it. I mean, I didn't, right? There's no way I could, really. It's not my home. But it sure felt like it was a second home to me. And I was kind of, I felt like that was kind of ripped out from under me. So that's the thing that mainly sucks about it, knowing that I was completely powerless that whole time in a place where I was supposed to feel safe. John, I'm glad you finally were able to reach out, get this off your chest.
Starting point is 01:28:27 Hopefully, it sounds like you're coming to grips with everything that happened and you can still enjoy nature, just not in this one area. and hope life continues to start to get better for you, dude. Yeah, I appreciate that. You know, I've tried. Not in that specific area. I've tried to go back to the San Gabriel's, you know, like a figure, why let one spot in a whole mountain range ruin it for me, right, ruin the whole mountain range.
Starting point is 01:29:05 And I've been able to kind of, enjoy my time in the mountain range. I still look over my shoulder. I'm far more cautious now in the woods than I was before. I'm a lot more respectful even more than I was before this event, you know, of anywhere I go. But generally speaking, you know, whether it's Klamath, whether it's, you know, San Bernardino Mountains,
Starting point is 01:29:35 whether it's somewhere in the sequoias or even up further north in the Oregon, you know, like I've been to a couple places up there. It doesn't matter that I've been to a few of those spots after this event. I've had a nice time. I felt at peace. I felt safe. I've already had established relationships with a lot of the different little creepy crudders around those areas, you know. So it didn't ruin those areas for me.
Starting point is 01:30:09 I feel like I appreciate that. But I can feel safe in those. But, you know, it's kind of hard to come to grips with your spot, you know. That one spot you were hoping to bring your kids to, right? Like, it's hard to come to grips with the fact that you can't go back for fear of, well, in all fairness to never have the chance to have kids or never have the chance
Starting point is 01:30:41 to have that career job right like something as dangerous as that kind of animal you know you can make peace with them all you want but if they decide that you're no longer worth
Starting point is 01:30:55 staying there it's not that hard for them to make that possible you know and it really wanted to make that possible. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:31:10 Man, what a wild, wild story. And John, if anything else happens, you know, definitely feel like you can reach out at any other time. Hopefully from here on out, things are nice and easy for you. But if anything else does happen, you can always reach out, dude. Yeah, yeah, of course. I've been wanting to share a lot of my stories for a long time. You know, I just didn't feel like a lot of them were paramount enough to share, at least to a bigger audience, you know. But yeah, I'll definitely, I will definitely contact you.
Starting point is 01:31:59 Either, you know, there's one that I think about, but long enough for me to be like, yeah, that's interesting. or, you know, if something new pops up, I'm almost constantly researching these, right? You know, new theories, people come up with matching them with my own experiences. So if I have an experience and that causes me to research a little bit more, I definitely let you know, like, hey, these are my thoughts. So I appreciate that. Absolutely. Thanks for chatting tonight, John. Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment.
Starting point is 01:32:40 But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. Then we can start the conversation. I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been 20 years, and it's time that you get this off your chest, and then you can get some well-deserved rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through,
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