Bigfoot Society - Scientific Bigfoot Mapmaking and Sasquatch Revealed by Data | PNW Bigfoot Maps | Josh Moss

Episode Date: March 19, 2022

#119Josh Moss is a geospatial scientist/archaeologist living in Portland, Oregon. Josh has been using his skill set with GIS (Geographic Information Systems) to make mostly state-scale maps that compare Bigfoot sightings to other relevant environmental information, such as black bear ranges, or precipitation levels. Josh is also an outdoor enthusiast, having thru-hiked the AT in 2007 and back-packed extensively in the Cascades, Olympics, Appalachian mountains and elsewhere, as well as spending countless days in remote areas doing fieldwork for various jobs.Join the Bigfoot Society Patreon for an extra 30 minutes with Josh where we answer Patreon questions and discuss even more Bigfoot maps! You'll also get a sweet membership card, a special vinyl sticker and much, much more!https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyTune in every Saturday at 5 pm Central for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QIG: https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Website: https://bit.ly/3jvKIm7Donate: https://bit.ly/3C4hodMShop: https://etsy.me/3ptlubQiTunes: https://apple.co/3fmmhTCSpotify: https://spoti.fi/3vF1vIriHeart Radio: https://ihr.fm/3CarDgDStitcher: https://bit.ly/3m75I4xFacebook: https://bit.ly/3b5XgMpFull links: https://bit.ly/bigfootlinksResource:Josh's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/pnwbigfootmaps/Josh's Twitter - https://twitter.com/PNWBigfootMapsSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety)

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you know it's the side of the Travis Walton Oh, I didn't know that is it really? Okay, I mean somewhere somewhere in here. I'm in a little bit but not enough to know that piece of trivia.

And that is very interesting that it's in the same area as the Moghion Monster. Thanks for coming back to Bigfoot Society. Your weekly Cryptozoology focused podcast where I talk to a different individual in the Cryptozoology field, authors, researchers, artists, all sorts of people. This week we've got the privilege of talking to my new friend Josh Moss from PNW Bigfoot Maps. You've probably seen his amazing maps that have. have to do with Bigfoot on Instagram, Twitter, all sorts of different places. We talk about all, I mean, literally, it's me talking to Josh for an hour about his favorite

maps and him telling me why they're his favorite maps. And I don't think he's ever done this on a podcast before. This one, I'm going to, if you're listening on iTunes, you've got to listen, see this on YouTube because if not, you're going to be missing a ton. But thanks again for coming back to Bigfoot Society. If you're listening to this on iTunes, please go ahead, subscribe to this podcast and rate us five stars as it helps us get more into the podcast Stratosphere

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All right, well, thanks for coming back to the Bigfoot Society podcast. I have a new friend here with me tonight. Mr. Josh Moss, how's it going? Good. How are you? Doing well. And listeners might know Josh from his different accounts online under PNW Bigfoot Maps, correct? Yep, that's me. That's awesome. He's the guy that makes the, he takes the data and he takes the Bigfoot and he smushes it into a really fun map to look at and educational. But let's start out, Josh, by kind of sharing a little bit about you that you had sent over to me. So some things we need to know about Josh, he's a geospatial scientist archaeologist that lives in Portland, Oregon, and a big fan of Bigfoot since he was a kid.

Let's see, he's reflected on the fact that Bigfoot folks are always saying that scientists won't listen to him. So he figured that he could be the scientist that uses his skill set with GIS to make some cool state scale math. And I mean, they are all over the place. I'm a big fan of them. We'll talk about this later, but his maps offer data such as Black Bear ranges, precipitation levels. You even have one of my favorites is one where it's the different ranges of, I think it's Huckleberry, right, in Washington State.

Yep, evergreen Huckleberry. Which is very cool. That's a very cool one. Pretty much his goal is to bring a scientific approach to Bigfoot research. We'll talk about some other things as well. He is through hike the Appalachian Trail in 2007. And it sounds like you get all over the place in nature, the Cascades, the Olympics, which is very, very cool. So, yeah, let's get right into it, Josh.

Sounds good. I always like to get a little bit deeper. You mentioned, you know, you've been into the Bigfoot stuff when you were a kid. Was there a certain thing that kicked that? that off as when you were a little kid or how was that? Yeah, for sure. Well, you know, I think probably I saw some books about it and stuff, but the thing that really got me hooked, which I think is not like rare is in search of with Leonard Nimoy. Oh, yeah, dude. You know, based on my age, I saw it in rerun form, but really just fascinated me. And like every time it came on, I think, I think it was on A&E at the time.

Like, yeah, I would be trying to catch the reruns. And, you know, I liked all the episodes. You know, they covered different subjects. But Bigfoot was always my favorite and just like had me glued to the TV. And also I would be, you know, kind of scared. Yeah. I get it. Yeah.

And so I think that, you know, that kind of fear like, you know, Bigfoot could be real, could be hiding behind the next tree. I think that's part of the fascination of it. and the way they portrayed it on, in search of just kind of got me hooked. So that's kind of the first, like, piece of Bigfoot media that really drew me in. Gotcha. So that's, that's you as, as a little kid in my experience is very similar. I was also a big fan of in search of the reruns on A&E, of course, because the originals were a little bit too old for me.

But that's pretty old. Yeah, exactly. When was it, though, that you started going out, you started getting a little bit more interested in Bigfoot? What was the next step? Well, so my interest in it, you know, kind of like waxed and waned, right? But I kind of started doing this because, you know, I got this job or I started into this career path of using geographic information systems. You know, it's like sort of scientific mapping displaying data on maps. And I was like sitting there at work and I was listening to a lot of Bigfoot podcasts while I worked.

Yeah. Because you know, I kind of work. My work's kind of, you know, I'm alone and working at a computer most of the time, or at least I was when I started out. And a lot of time to listen to Bigfoot podcast and they were sitting there listening. I was like, you know, when you listen to a lot of Bigfoot podcasts, you'll hear some of the same things over and over again, sort of, basically ideas or observations or assumptions that people have made about how Bigfoot's behave. Okay. And I was thinking of myself, well, I might have the tools at my hand to, in a way, test some of these observations, like scientifically.

Like to use a scientific method, which is, you know, you have a hypothesis and you, run an experiment, which in my case is a data comparison experiment, and then you can get a result to see, you know, how likely your hypothesis is. And so I was sort of collecting hypotheses, which I don't know if that's how you say that from Bigfoot podcast. Like an example of that, like if what I'm saying doesn't make sense, an example of that is like Bigfoot's stick to the waterways. Yeah. That's like You hear that repeated.

Oh, yeah. And I was like, well, I definitely have information. You know, I have access to information about waterways, right? So if I was to be able to get access to data about Bigfoot reports, I could, you know, statistically try to test that. Hmm. Okay. Okay. So it would be like an.

an actual scientific experiment if I was to compare those to data points. So you got your Bigfoot reports. And I could use, you know, wetland data from the national wetland inventory, which is like an official inventory from the government of where all the waterways and wetlands are in America. Yeah. I could compare the two and see what percentage of Bigfoot reports are in a close, proximity to these waterways. And if it's a high percentage, then that observation from, you know, Bigfoot field

researchers or that sort of statement about Bigfoot's behavior, you know, is sort of backed up by actual data. That is, that to me is fascinating. Has there been any, uh, just like mind blowing realizations that you've, you've, uh, come across from making these maps? Like you see the everything like the dots line up or anything that's just blown you away or well you know that's kind of why I use the the waterways example because I've made a bunch of them and there's so many examples of that like things people say about big foot behavior you know obviously they avoid people or you know trying to think of some others right now what are some what are some other things like that that people kind of repeat about big foot behavior. Yeah.

I got you. I am. You know, people will say like, oh, they might, you know, utilize people's crop fields as food sources. Oh, right, right. Exactly. That they hunt deer, for instance. So those are some others I've checked out, right?

Yep. But the reason I mention the waterways one first is because I think it's the one that's come out with the best, strongest correlation. Okay. And so if you want to try this screen sharing thing. Yeah, let's try it out live in,

I did this last time with another guest. And it's always fun. Technology is the best to see if it works. But we're going to get it. Give you good vibes for sure. Are we seeing it? Oh, actually hold on uh let me yeah it's see if i can bring it up on okay i'm going to add to

oh oh there we go guys you need to be on a youtube you should always be on youtube guys you know but this is going to be awesome all right josh what are we looking at here this is cool so this is um bigfoot sightings in southeast texas which you know that's sort of the sam houston national forest, like the big thicket, which, oh, yeah. And I want to explain why I chose this area. Yes, please. For this particular, like, analysis. And that's because this is the area of the legend of Boggy Creek, you know?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. The, the, the classic movie. It would have been just, you know, over here, just a little bit more east, right? Okay, gotcha. And that's one of the sources, I think, of the idea that Bigfoot's, stick to the waterways is that story. The stories from the Legend of Boggy Creek. Yeah.

And so that's why I chose this area. And as you can see, I displayed all the Bigfoot reports that I have in my database. And I don't know how well this is going to show up to people on YouTube, but red ones are within, or red ones, sorry, red ones are farther than a quarter of a mile from a wetland. Oh, interesting. And blue ones are within a quarter of a mile of a wetland. Now, and that's a very small tolerance.

Like, you think an animal the size of a big foot has a pretty big range. So I went tight with this, like just a quarter of a mile from a wetland to run the numbers. And now, if you don't mind me leaving the map for a second. Go for it. Oops. Whatever you'd like to do. I have the, uh, numbers here. So of the 80 sightings

in southeast Texas, 64 occurred within a quarter mile of a wetland. 80%. So that, I like to show this map because it's the best percentage I've like gotten doing this. You proved that they're sticking to the near the waterways. That's crazy, man.

You know, there's a couple caveats to that because you know, and I feel like as a scientist, I kind of have to mention stuff like this. I got you. These are reports. So they aren't, you know, a tagged Bigfoot. Exactly. So in that sense, it's not proof of anything.

But it is a correlation that, you know, if say every one of these reports was true, like an actual Bigfoot report, then it definitely would prove that they favor. wetlands and waterways as their habitats. Wow, fascinating. That is absolutely fascinating. So, yeah, so that's like kind of, I like to show this one a lot because it just has that kind of eye-popping 80% correlation.

And I like it because it's kind of a tribute to Boggy Creek, which is like such a great movie and classic Bigfoot thing. I mean, everyone knows Boggy Creek for sure. Yeah. Thank you for sharing for sharing that one. That was awesome. Do you have any other ones that you would be able to share? Yeah.

So I wanted to share one that I definitely haven't. I made since I've been on any other podcast, I think. So I wanted to share this one. Nice. And now this is a map of the Mogadion, Red in Arizona. Oh, cool, dude. I love this. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot System.

will be right back after these messages. And I really like this one just because I ended up liking just the way this one looks. And the Mogad Rim, I don't know if you've ever been there, but it's a really, really beautiful place, really cool area. You know, Pinyin and Juniper Forest and, I'm blanking on the name of the pine trees, ponderosa pine trees. Ah, yeah, you got it. Yep. Yeah. And just a beautiful place.

And, you know, I'm sure you're into UFOs too. You know, it's the site of the Travis Walton. Oh, I didn't know that. Is it really? Okay. Yeah, I mean, somewhere in here. I'm in a little bit, but not enough to know that piece of trivia. And that is very interesting that it's in the same area as the Mogian monster.

Yes, very much so somewhere in here. Yeah. Yeah. It is where that took place. Okay. But I like this one because this one... This is Sophia Bush from Work in Progress with Sophia Bush. And now a break from our sponsor, Miracle Grow.

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I did some I did some statistics I did some statistics I did some of June 26 Um, I did some I did some statistics to kind of

show like what it means to have like a concentration based on numbers. So I can explain that. Okay. I close the map for a second. Sure.

So there's 102 total reports in my database in the state of Arizona. Okay. 39 of them occur on the Mogion Rim. 38%. Wow.

And 63 of them occur elsewhere. 61%. So it's like 60, 40. 40%. percent on the rim. But the total area of Arizona is roughly 115,000 square miles. Okay. The area of the Mogi on rim is only 7,000 square miles, 6% of the state. So what I'm saying is within 6% of the state, 40% of the reports.

That's crazy. So that's what it means to have. a hot spot, you know, mathematically speaking. Sure. Oh, man, wild. That is so wild. So that's why I kind of like this one. And just because it's a cool area,

I did some archaeology up here when I was in college. It was fun. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I haven't been there, but like, you know, I don't know if you've seen this series that came out chasing legends where they actually went to, the Mogian rim to look for the Mogian monster.

It looks like just a beautiful area, you know. It is. That is cool. So did you say you have your own database for Bigfoot reports or where are you getting your information from usually? Oh, you know what? I'll share a screen on that too because it is not my database. Okay.

I want to give credit where credits do, right? Because I did not make the database and that's a lot of work. It is a lot of work to do stuff like that. Yeah. So it's cool that, oh, I'm sorry, stepped on you there a little bit. Oh, you're good. It's cool that we can share screens because I feel like I can really go through this. Okay.

So this is the database, Mangani's Bigfoot Maps. Okay. And I want to give a little more credit. I wouldn't have found this Cliff Barakman told me about this website. Okay, cool. And I have to say, I just really appreciate that he even gave me the time of day because, you know, he's kind of celebrity in this world, if not even just a celebrity in general. He's got a lot going on for sure.

And he answered my email and was like, here's a database you could use to try to do that. And he even gave me a couple ideas like I was talking about before, like the behavior ideas to test. So I just really appreciated him doing that. So yeah, this website is where I got my points. and you can see they have them all through North America, basically. Oh, wow, yeah, yeah. And I like to explain this, that these points are sourced from all these different organizations. So I'm not going to go through and name them all, but, you know, obviously the BFRO is a big contributor.

But you've got the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy. You've got the Virginia, Bigfoot Research Organization and, you know, more. I think it's 14 different organizations. organizations that contributed points. One lacking thing with this database is it does have dates on a lot of them, which is cool. But that allowed me to find out that it stops at 2016. So when I'm doing these things, you know, there's probably a lot of sightings in the past that would be six years. Oh, yeah.

That could change the outcomes of some of these analyses. And then there's another chance for me to shout someone out is Bigfoot mapping project, which is, you know, you know them. So I think on Instagram it's just at Bigfoot mapping project. He's on next week. Oh, cool. I'm literally interviewing him next week. So I'm excited to talk to both of you guys, one after the other. You know, he kind of harnesses a different aspect of GIS than I do.

Okay. Although he's done some analysis stuff like I do. he has done something I don't do at all with this which is he's um harness sort of the crowd sourcing and online um interactive aspects of GIS to allow people to submit their reports as like map points okay through an app that he made uh you know that i think you can download on your phone i mean he'll tell you about it anyway i always like to mention him because he's like the other person I see in the Bigfoot world, like

really using this technology and he does a thing that I haven't even done with this. I actually do that kind of stuff at work, but I haven't done it with the Bigfoot stuff. Okay. Yeah, I have that app on my

phone. It's very fun to see there's some very interesting user submitted reports. So everyone, I think it's a few bucks, but it's If you're into the Bigfoot stuff, it is definitely worth going without coffee for a day. Like, you know, it's so much worth it. I agree.

You know, I always like to, I don't like to be, you know, I feel like some bigfooters are like territorial. And I like to be the opposite. You know, I always like to just shout out anybody who's. Totally. Doing something cool or, you know, anything like that. I like to spread the word. So have, have, I'm curious about your maps. have people started to to use them in certain ways or is it a thing where you make them available for people to use and like on their websites or has there been any like collaboration with that that's come out of this?

There has. So a number of them, if not all of them now, are on the forest floor website. Oh, cool. Yeah. She used to have those like Patreon only But I think she's opened it up Yeah, she has, yep

So a number of my maps If not all of them I want to say I gave her like all the files Are there in the full high-res versions? Because you know, I only post them on Twitter and Instagram And obviously they're crunched Because I usually expect sport like 5,000 by 8,000 pixel images.

And so that's like what you could see on the forest floor website if you want to check those out. Okay. And yeah, you know, they're available. Like people have asked me for different copies or different information. And I always try to help out. So I think the answer to that's yes. Nice, nice.

So what I'm getting is if you want to get Josh's, play by play on the maps, you probably want to follow them on Twitter. If you want to see the full, the full layout high-res, then you need to check out Emily's website, Forest Floor, which you should definitely be there anyways

because it's pretty awesome. She does a great, great job. Have you, I would, man, it would be cool if someday you could collaborate with North American Bigfoot Center. That would be rock. and yeah i'd love to you know i did i gave so i went there like i think the picture you used on my uh well that but that was before they opened i i just i thought maybe they'd be open and they weren't

open yet that day oh okay so i just took a picture uh but i went later and and connor one of the employees there showed me around and i gave him all of the maps on a uh thumb drive oh cool so you know i'm basically the maps are i'm not anything i'm keeping back from from anybody you know nice nice and i i guess uh when you i'm sorry i don't mean i don't want to be like rolling on too too oh no go go go right ahead if it gets if it gets to a point i'll uh i'll uh reel back in but i'd say let's go for it man well i was going to say because you mentioned collaboration and there's another uh fella out there working in the Bigfoot world like with hard data I would say and that's um and I bet you're gonna know this fella too uh squatcher metrics oh yeah sure yeah

Wes yeah yep yep yeah and so he and I collaborated a couple times actually I want to say that that evergreen huckleberry map you mentioned so the sightings on that are not from this database they're from Wes's database. Interesting. Okay. So that was a collaboration with him. But this was a collaboration with him, and it's the bear maps. So where I compared Bigfoot reports to bear range in the state of Colorado, which is, I think, a great Bigfoot state.

And I haven't visited Colorado enough. I'd like to spend more time there. So the first one is just, and remember, these are Wes's Bigfoot points, not the ones from that website I just showed. Gotcha. So all credit to him, he's a great sort of data scientist and Bigfoot researcher. This, all the red ones here are within Black Bear range. And the two yellow ones are out, right? And I've always loved this one because that's a.

huge correlation. Mm-hmm. You know, that's close to 100%. Yeah. And I feel like this says something very interesting. You know, people sometimes think, well, like data can only say one thing, right? Like if you've got numbers, you've got a conclusion. And it can't, it's not open to interpretation.

But that's just not true. And this map is like a really good example of that. because if you're prone to Bigfoot skepticism, you look at this and you say, oh, well, this proves my point. All Bigfoot reports are just people seeing bears.

Right. But if you're prone to belief in Bigfoot, you look at this and say, well, this proves my point. This makes a lot of sense. Because if, you know,

Bigfoot's would have very similar feeding patterns and behavior patterns to black bears. Right, right. And they would necessarily be accessing the same food resources. Exactly. Yeah, that's the exact thought I had. Yeah, if there's food source for one, there's food source for the other. That's a genius.

They would have, you would think that if a Bigfoot like animal was able to survive, it would have to avail itself of an omnivorous diet, much like a black bear. So what I'm saying here, though, is this map is like a Roershack test. Oh, yeah, dude, totally. It is. It's pure data. It's a pure comparison of two sets of data, but what it means is all about what preconceptions you bring to it. I love that.

That is, oh, man, that's good, dude. Yeah. So that's kind of why I love to show this one. And I just, I love bears too. They're like, oh, yeah, I mean, that's not rare. Everybody thinks bears are cute, but. you know i'm a fan of them so i did like to do the comparison and yeah i thought that was cool but so i did some other seasonal things though okay so i got summer bigfoot sightings

oh and summer bear concentrations and as you can see it's like a little bit of a different story there's more bigfoots that are avoiding the same spots as bears during the summer. Yeah. But, you know, there's so many ways to interpret why that could be, right? Why this looks this way? Because every one of these points represents a person, right? Because it's a report, so a person and a Bigfoot had to meet. I took that from...

That's a good point. I took that from Cliff, by the way. I heard him say that. on some show. He said, you know, for a report to happen, a big foot and a person have to meet. Yeah. And so you think summer, everyone's out here,

bears are avoiding where people are. Mm. Yep. So, you know, that's one explanation. And so I love the bear maps because they just kind of reinforce to me the concept that even, you know, quote unquote, hard numbers, hard data can mean different things to two different people. Exactly.

And you know, fall, falls kind of the same as summer. The correlation kind of goes away. And, oh, this is within the human conflict zones. So this is one isn't seasonal. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. So human conflict. zones or something that like the Forest Service or whatever agency.

I believe this is data from the Forest Service. Okay. Mapped areas where humans and bears run into each other. Oh, okay. So that's interesting. So in essence, it's places where people report seeing bears a lot. Ah, makes sense. Yep.

And you'll notice that, you know, so if you, it's, This one's kind of cool because if you took away every red point. This is Sophia Bush from Work in Progress with Sophia Bush. And now a break from our sponsor, Miracle Grow. Let's be real. We're all feeling a little digitally distracted and time starved lately. We're craving real connections and ways to unplug. And honestly, gardening is the ultimate way to do this.

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and so, because it's in a place where people often see bears, right? You still have a lot of yellow points. So this one's cool, too. I thought this whole, it's a four map set. And, you know, because there was four different types of bear information.

So I thought that was a pretty cool one. That is really cool. That's very smart to do the different seasons for sure. I love that. Make a cool poster. Have you ever thought of making these into posters? You know, yeah, I mean, I kind of have, like, you could definitely, there was somebody who approached me about it and I was like,

you know, I'll send you a high-res file and you can, because I didn't really have like any kind of thing set up for that. Right. So one person asked me about it and I was like, I'll just send you a high-res file and you can either have a website printed out or if you have a nice printer. You know,

I don't really have a nice printer. And I hadn't like made, I'm sure there's some web. website I could go to like that would produce posters of any image right oh there's got to be yeah i just i haven't looked into it but i got you know it's something like if a bunch of people had asked i would have looked into it but um really only there's one one time i can remember somebody asking about that have you ever made maps that uh apply to different cryptids besides bigfoot yeah um yes okay interesting

I've done alien or I've done UFO. Oh, cool. Have you done the Chestnut Ridge in Pennsylvania? Yeah, yeah. You have. Oh, my goodness. You know, and if you want to, if you will bear with me, I can scroll to. I'll bear with you.

I'll bear with you. Yep. That would be wild. Okay. So, and of course, another shout out, you know, small town monsters. Oh, for sure. This map, if I can find it, right? It was very much.

inspired by those guys. Okay. Because their movie about the Chestnut Ridge really leaned on the idea of Bigfoot's and UFOs together. Exactly. Seems like that's kind of a Chestnut Ridge theme. So here, I will, it's, I'll find this, I swear. I just got to go through the Twitter feed. Because I think it would be very cool to see a map representation of Bigfoot sightings in correlation to UFO sightings, especially in that area.

So because I have two favorite DIY paranormal movie making crews, right? Mm-hmm. And I'm sure you can probably guess. I'm guessing STM is small town monsters and then, you know, hellier. Oh, yeah, yeah, the Newkirk's. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, so I made Bigfoot maps, or I made Bigfoot and Alien comparison maps of Pennsylvania and Kentucky.

Oh, that is cool. One for each. That is. Okay, so here's the Kentucky one. Nice. But I want to find the Pennsylvania. Okay, here it is. Oh, okay.

Here we go. Oh, wow. Yeah, that was totally worth it. Yeah. And it's pretty cool because so here in South, weirdly, they're kind of like centered around Pittsburgh, but. I think the, well, you know, the UFO sightings aren't as nature specific as Bigfoot sightings, right? Right. So the UFO sightings are the little targets.

Okay. Bigfoot sidings are the little dots. And ones that were within a mile of each other, or Bigfoot sightings that were within a mile of a UFO siding are the big green dots. Interesting. Oh, even up in the northeast, there's one. Yeah. Interesting. Down by Harrisburg, too, in the Amish area.

But you can see that I think this is Chestnut Ridge right here. Yeah, down in that area. I'm pretty sure that's what we're looking at is, yep, definitely. You can see how dense the Bigfoot sightings are kind of in this area. And then you can see you got a couple UFO and Bigfoot sightings together along this western edge of the Appalachians there. That's wild. Oh, that is cool. I love how you thought to do that.

Oh, that is really cool. Well, you know, inspired by these cool documentaries. I'll put up the Kentucky ones. Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. Okay, so we got Bigfoot sightings within one mile of UFO sighting, and that's the yellow dots. Yeah. And the UFOs are the white targets. You know what I didn't do on this map?

And this is like kind of a mapmaker's foul is I didn't. put any location, like I didn't put any roads or towns, except I put a star for Somerset because this map was inspired by Hellier. Right. That's funny. So

I don't know, like, I don't know if the top of my head what's right here where there's kind of, where there's two of these right together. There's two of them right together here. Oh, and here's Hellier. Oh, okay. And look, there's one of them right next to Hellyer.

Oh, that's, dude, that's wild. I wonder if the new Kirk's have seen this map. That would be so cool. I believe that I think that one of them might have retweeted it or something. Yeah, it has 34 likes, which is a lot for my account. Nice, nice. Question for you. So the, I'm guessing it's some kind of software you're using to make this.

Is this like, is this stuff that, you know, someone off the street could start using themselves, or is this a pretty high-end thing you're using? Well, kind of yes and no. There is open source software that does this. Okay. Yeah. So you could. The learning curve's kind of high. Okay.

It's not real obvious how to use the software. You know what I mean? I got you. Do you do you use like a DAW digital audio workstation to like mix your Podcasts? Yeah. Yes. Yep.

Yep. So I would say it's, you know, because I know how to use those too. And I would say like I think about them in comparison a lot because really all it is is like arranging data so that it all comes together and exports in a certain way. Makes sense. If you think about it on a zoomed out level, it's the same idea. But I would say that the GIS software is, you know, a bit more complicated to use than like logic or something like that. Oh, wow. Yeah, because logic can get a little wild by itself.

Yeah. It's pretty, it's pretty complicated software. You know, I, I, uh, not to. boast or whatever, but I do have like a master's degree in just that. If you have that, you should, that should be a thing that you, like, that's not boasting. That's, that had to be hard to get that. So congrats for you, man, that's, that's very cool. Thanks.

You know, I don't like to, I only mention it because just by way of like trying to explain how deep you can go with it. I gotcha. I got you. So going back to the open source thing for, let's say if there's someone listening to this and they're like, I'd still kind of want to mess around with it. Are there any that you could recommend that they look into? I 100% encourage that, right?

Okay. Yeah, yeah. And like with this website here, let me, I was going to. So with this website. Okay. Now, some of this stuff you can do just with Google Earth. So Google Earth is kind of can be a starting point. you can mess around.

But if you want to go deep, here's, I'll bring it right up. I love that we're sharing screens. Yeah, it's just the thing you, so I usually don't listen to, I listen to interviews after I interview the guest. If that makes sense, I don't like listening to a lot of interviews

that my future guests have been on already because I don't know if that makes sense. It's just a weird interview thing I do. I like to have the first impression face to face. right. Totally. Do you do this on a lot of other podcasts where you're like screen sharing and stuff? I've screen shared on one of them, I think, but it did not go this smoothly.

Oh, cool. Well, this is great. This is cool. Cool, cool. Okay, QGIS. Yep. So it's just QGIS.org and download now. This is open source software.

Oh, nice. And with this and this, you could pretty much do what you could replicate what I've done. which I like that because, you know, that's a key part of the scientific method is that if you do an experiment, it can be done in the exact same way and produce the exact same result. Yeah, dude, totally. That has to have, like, you have to be able to reproduce it. Yeah, that's awesome. Every one of these things I've done with this and this and the know-how, you could do that. So I'm going to have, this episode is going to have plenty of links for resource.

This is going to be awesome. Do you think, is there like an equivalent of, you know, how you said there's different Bigfoot databases? Do you think there's one for dog, like, could you do this with Dogman sight? Dogman sightings? That would be interesting. I don't know if there's a database like that out there, but. You know, I don't know.

You definitely could. I would definitely be, oh, I would love to actually make a dog man versus Bigfoot map. Because to be honest with you, I haven't made a map in a while because I kind of ran out of ideas. And dog man compared with Bigfoot would be so cool. That would be real. Oh, man. Like, see if they're, if they have, um, if they're in the same territory or maybe

they have different territories. Like you could see so, so much with that, I think. Yeah, I think it would be like the UFO ones, but better somehow. Oh, yeah. Hey, have you done a thing where, um, I'm sure you could use maps. at different times of the year to like maybe prove if there's migration involved with Bigfoot. Yeah, yeah, definitely have done that. Okay, cool.

And I don't know how conclusive it was, but I'd love to show it. Yeah, let's do it. Can bear with my scrolling for a minute. For sure. Well, so I did that with the Huckleberry. Okay, okay. Now, where's that Huckleberry map? Oh, here it is.

Yep. All right, so I'll show you the version with the Huckleberry. So here it is in fall, right? Nice. We're looking at the Olympic Peninsula, it looks like. My legend, another map maker's foul, my legend did not print out correctly. As you can see, it doesn't have the symbols in it. Okay.

Which that aggravates me because I'm a bit of a perfectionist. You live and learn, right? But the yellows are within one mile of a Huckleberry area or in it. Oh, interesting. And the blues are out of it farther than a mile. Okay. And so it's 20. So in fall, it's 20 within 38 out of Huckleberry.

Hmm. So then you can go to spring. Okay. In spring, it's 10 in 32 out. Wow. But let's see. And so that's, you know, say Bigfoot are moving, they're moving away from the Huckleberry in spring.

Summer, we got 26 in, 38 out. Wow. So in summer, they might be using it like a little bit more, going towards it a little bit more. But also, there's just more sightings in summer, so this might not be meaningful. We might be looking at a pretty steady, general rate of Huckleberry proximity. Okay. That's awesome. And then in winter, we've got 14 in 25 out.

So that's that one. And, you know, I don't know what that says about migration, but talking to different researchers, you know, about migration. So I bring my archaeological background into this. Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. Go for it. There's something that archaeologists think that, and it's pretty well established, that, you know, groups of people that are on the level,

sort of societal level of organization of hunter-gatherer, they do something called the seasonal round. So they don't migrate from point A to point B. Right. But as the season progresses each year, they move with, they follow the food source they're going to use in different seasons. Makes sense.

Yeah. And I think that, based on what we know about apes that we know for a fact are real, and what we know about, you know, the food sources in the sort of more wild, remote parts of America that are kind of remote enough that something like this would potentially be there, that a seasonal round behavior might make sense. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. back after these messages.

If these creatures were real. And you could kind of make an analogy with people that were, you know, from the distant past. Gotcha. That were, you know, prior to agriculture. And how they moved about the landscape in the rhythm of the seasons to access seasonal food sources. Yeah, that definitely. makes more sense than they're just traveling from point A to point B. Yeah.

I think so, you know, because we don't see, I mean, we do see mammals that do that, I believe. Like whales, I think, like make these huge, but, you know, those are ocean-born mammals. So I'm not a biologist, but I feel like it's a, you know, and, you know, birds do this kind of point A to point B thing. but you more hear about large mammals having a territory. This is Sophia Bush from Work in Progress with Sophia Bush. And now a break from our sponsor, Miracle Grow. Let's be real. We're all feeling a little digitally distracted and time-starved lately.

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before I forget it I really it just came into my mind real quick and that is what Josh did is really cool because instead of him just listening to content and doing he's thinking outside the box saying hey I've got these skills I can use my skills. to make the community even better. And to that, I say hats off to you. But if you're, let's say I'm talking to a listener right now, if you're a listener out there and you've got some amazing set of skills that you think can make the Bigfoot community rocking and get like info that we're not seeing,

contact me at Bigfoot Society at email.com and like, let me know because I would love to talk to you. And maybe you'd like, maybe you'll be the new, you know, Josh with PNW Bigfoot maps, but you'll be doing something completely different. I want to hear about it. So that's just like my little plug there. But what do we got here, Josh? Oh, so this is the general migration map. Okay.

It's much more of the state of Washington. Okay. And it's my database, not Squatometrics, Wes. Gotcha. Now, this suffers from the fact that a lot of the points, are unknown what season they were in. So all the red points, right? As I move through the series,

the red points are going to stay in the same place because we don't know what season they were in. Just wasn't recorded with the siting, I guess. Or didn't make its way to the database. But I think there was some interesting, just if you, if I scroll through these visually, I think there's some interesting trends. So this is fall.

Okay. And what I think is interesting to look at is the coast here. Sure. And some of the high elevations, right? Yeah. So in fall, you know, you got a couple high elevations here, which I believe this is Mount St. Helens. Okay. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah.

And which, you know, classic Bigfoot place. Oh, yeah. You got crazy stories from down there, no doubt, no doubt. So here we have spring and notice that some of these mountain tops in spring are kind of abandoned and less on the coast in spring than in fall. Summer notice the density up high. this is the interesting thing to me. High elevation areas in summer have a lot more sightings. And that speaks to, well, so this is that whole, it could be one thing or the other thing,

because it could just be, there's more people. True. Up on the mountains in summer. But then again, well, especially Mount St. Helens, because it's not really a ski mountain. Or is it? No. It's not it's not like a ski resort mountain, right?

I'm going to, I'm going to defer that to you because I should know because I go up there all the time, but I'm not a skier. Yeah. So I don't pay attention to where the ski resorts are. Gotcha. Anyway, it's not like Mount Hood. Okay.

Yeah, Mount Hood big time ski area. Yeah. Anyway, so it could just be, well, there's a lot more people up here, but it could be that during the summer. the bigfoots go up here to harvest some type of food that's up high like berries that are blooming up high. And then you go to winter and look at the high elevations are very sparse. So I thought the migration maps were pretty cool for some of those sort of visually.

Now, I didn't run any numbers on that like statistics because, you know, it was, I would have had to be like, okay, here's a space around Mount St. Helens and how many miles is that? How many are within and without? I didn't go to that whole distance on this one.

But I think if you just scroll through them visually, like, if you, viewers, right, keep your eye on Mount St. Helens. Right. Winter. Yeah. Summer. Like, I think you can really see.

And, like, look up here too in the North Cascades. crazy how much sparser that gets in winter versus summer and again it could just be explained by the fact that fewer people go out here in winter but you know i would like you know washingtonians and oregonians are all season outdoors people too you know these are popular places in the winter as well man i feel like if you were a bigfoot researcher in washington that these maps would be super helpful to you and probably would just I mean I would be making all sorts of changes in my research base like this is some wild stuff what a lot of people tons of people kept asking me about something like this real and then I was like I better try to I better try to do it

it's actually fairly there's other ways to approach it like how to show potential migration and this is just the way I came up with basically because I don't have more spare time to go try to do it a better way. Oh man. There should be a speaking of other cryptids, there would be cool if there is a map of like the Lake Michigan Mothman, the Chicago Mothan sightings that are all around like Illinois and Wisconsin and stuff. That'd be wild. but Bigfoot, Bigfoot maps is probably kind of a full-time job, I'm thinking,

you're doing some great work in this. This is awesome. Well, the thing about, like, so that brings up a, an interesting point to me is that, you know,

most of my maps are on the state scale. Right. And so a map of mothman sightings would be on the scale of like a city. True. You could do, you could focus in on Chicago. Because if you did the whole country, you know, you didn't have some in Chicago, some in West Virginia. Yep.

And did you say there was another one? Well, the Lake Michigan Mothman, the Chicago Moth, that would be around like the Chicago area. Yeah. So to get a good, you know, analysis, you'd want to focus on Chicago with that. Right. So I've made very few maps at that small of a scale, but I did make one of, of, you know, Portland. Oh, cool. Oh, yeah, that is Portland. Nice. Or Portland's like over here because this is, and I thought this one was pretty cool.

And what I did with this one is I was trying to assess if there's enough of the right kind of cover for a big foot to potentially travel. like this is something that if I was doing this like with a biologist it's called a least cost path analysis and do it to make sure that different animals have continuous habitat so like for animals to survive

you you can't have their habitats be little islands right they need habitable land between so that they can have different areas. So that's basically what I did here. So here you've got,

you're starting to get to the Cascades, right? Okay. So I made a map of, I took out a bunch of land cover classes. And I left barren land, deciduous forest, wetlands, evergreen forest,

herbaceous, which is like grasslands, mixed forests, shrubs scrub, and woody wetlands. So I left all those in. And I wanted to see, you know, how hard would it be for Bigfoot to stay within one of those land classes trying to get all the way to the middle of. Wow.

Yeah. Right. Yep. I get it. And it'd be a challenge. Yeah. That would be. It'd get interesting at points.

But you've got a couple sightings. Like here you've got a siding just west of the interstate. Mm-hmm. And you've got a sighting here past the interstate. Dang. Another one somehow right on the interstate, that one's probably questionable. You know what I mean?

I mean, you know, dude, I don't know. I mean, it's crazy that Bigfoot is, there's so many Bigfoot out there. Like people, Cliff was just talking on his podcast about how, like, people see, like, sightings, like, right off the highway. But, yeah, it kind of blows my mind, too, like, you know, living in Iowa. of, but his shop is somewhere right around, oh, right here. Okay, so that's where boring is.

Yep. Okay, gotcha. You might not be able to see it on the screen chair, but it does say boring right here. Okay, yeah, yeah, gotcha. There's a big concentration right down here, right? Yeah, there is. If there was, you know, Bigfoot's hanging out just east of the city, this map at kind of a city scales about, well, do they have the, what I guess to be, the proper type of land to make it closer to human populations.

And I think in a lot of ways, they do. Yeah, I mean, it seems like it's good. Yeah. Man, that is great. Josh, this has been like, I had, I'll be honest, I had something playing for this episode and it turned into something way cooler than I ever could have hoped for. So, like, this is, this has, this is probably one of my favorite episodes, to be honest.

Oh, really? Well, thank you. Just being able to look over someone's shoulder who really knows what they're doing and their craft with Bigfoot and Maps. And like, it's very cool. So I appreciate she coming on and hanging out. It's crazy to think we're already at the end of the hour. And it feels like we just started. It really did go by fast.

It went by fast. But like, I think people can get a lot of info from it. And if you're listening to this on iTunes, you need to go over to the YouTube page. just keep in mind, the entire hour pretty much is there's stuff on the screen. Josh is pointing to stuff on Maps. You need to look at it on YouTube. But Josh, how can people best keep up to date with what you're doing with the maps and all that good stuff? YouTube or Instagram is kind of where my presence is.

And it's at P&W Bigfoot Maps on both. Awesome. Unfortunately, I haven't been super active lately. I've just been like really busy with other things. So I'm really glad you had me on. And I'm sorry if I over steamrolled your. No, I. I wasn't gutsy enough to ask you to do it.

So I'm glad it happened out like this. Can I ask what it was? What, what was? Your original concept for the episode. Oh, I had, I had some questions plan. But it was, um, uh, pretty much. my main focus was going to be getting you to show some of the maps and this is better than what I could have hoped for. So thank you. Oh, well, I'm glad to hear it. And, you know, I just appreciate when

anyone will like listen to me, ramble. So thank you so much for having me on. Yeah, it's been a good time, Josh, for sure. Thank you so much for coming on. Thanks for listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast. Please take a few minutes to review the show on iTunes, five stars as it does help us get into the eyes and ears of more listeners on iTunes. That will help us just get bigger and bigger and get even better quality guests for future shows. Also, if you have any Bigfoot encounters or cryptid encounters, please send your stories and audio and photos, whatever you've got over to Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. If you'd like to become more involved with Bigfoot Society and get some extra content, we do have a Patreon.

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