Bigfoot Society - Serpent Mound Cryptids and Alternative History: A Swapcast with The Strange Road

Episode Date: January 30, 2023

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And suddenly they're right in front of the car. He slams on the brakes and manages to stop and he skidding because it's not quite, you know, grabbling. And literally for about a second and a half, they just stood there because they don't know where to go and you tell what they're panicking. their face is like switching. Welcome back to Bigfoot Society, a podcast where we focus on cryptids, the strange and the unexplained of this world. If you've got a story or something weird to share,

send an email over to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. And if you'd like to support this show, head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society. And now on with the show. Hey, all this week's episode is a special swapcast I recorded with Mikey and Bub from the Strange Road podcast. Just wanted to put this little snippet in here at the beginning. The episode's going to start out with Mikey and Bub introducing me. We have a crazy, crazy episode for you here, all about cryptids, Bigfoot, the van meter visitor,

and all sorts of weird alternative stuff you may not have heard me talk about. before. So enjoy it. It's a lot of fun. It's a long one. You're going to love it. Make sure that you follow the Strange Road guys on YouTube and all the other socials as well, have their information in the show notes. It's important that you follow these guys and that you let them know that Bigfoot Society sent you. And also, subscribe to their podcast, rate them five stars, and in the comments say, hey, Bigfoot Society sent me over. All right. Enjoy the show, guys. What's up, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of The Strange Road. We have a swapcast today. Swap. Swap cast. Today, I'm Mikey. This is Bub. Hey, as always. We have stoner on the ones and twos,

hitting all the magical buttons to make all this stuff look cool. We really have an awesome show. Jeremiah Byron from Bigfoot Society, everybody. What's up Jeremiah? What's happening, man? Great. Yeah, dude. Oh, man.

I'd be here. So cool. You popped it. We were at CryptidCon and got a little tap on the shoulder and I turned around and you introduced yourself and we chatted a little bit briefly, but I've been kind of keeping in communication a little bit on Instagram. Okay. And I was like, man, it would be so awesome to have you on and get to know you and hear all about the stuff you're doing on. all of your platforms, you're crushing it, dude.

Yeah, absolutely. Oh, thank you. Yeah, it was, it was, Crypticad was so much fun because it's like, you never know who you're going to run into there. And I was like, oh, that's a strange road guys. I was like, yeah, totally need to meet them for a few minutes. It was awesome.

Yeah, absolutely. Glad we made that connection. But, you know, this episode could go in so many different directions. That's a good thing. Jeremiah is into a lot of awesome things. Good. And I know, you know, just the amount of volume of people you've talked to when it comes to cryptids and, you know, encounters and eyewitness testimony. So we're really, really excited to hear some of that stuff.

Yeah. And, you know, this being a swapcast. Right. Um, Jeremiah, you know, we can talk about, uh, how did you get started in all of this? Were you always interested as a kid or? So, um, it's, it's a, yeah, it's a little bit of that kind of story where, you know, I grew up as a little kid, uh, watching weird stuff with my dad. Nice. Reruns of like in search of and.

Yes. Unsolved mysteries. A lot of unsolved mysteries. Yeah. Wednesday nights. You know, looking through my fingers like, uh, you know. My mom and dad would leave on those nights and we would be home alone and that was like the only thing to watch. It was like, God, I want to watch it, but I'm going to be freaked out.

Yeah. Lock the doors. Exactly. Then I kind of went away, like my high school years, I was like, eh, but then early 20s or mid-20s, who knows, it all jumbles together. after, you know, when you get to that age. I ended up working at Apple for about five, six years. Hmm. And there's a lot of weird people that work at Apple, and they're awesome.

So met some buddies there, and we would talk about, like, all sorts of, like, cryptid stuff and just the weird stuff, right? And I was reading the paper one day, and I was like, oh, man, we got cryptids next to us in Iowa. Yeah. And so, I. After that, I started listening to, you know, different podcasts. But I was like, man, I really feel like, I feel like I could do this maybe a little bit better. At around the same time, my buddy Andrew was involved with Seth from Small Town Monsters.

He was doing the camera work for terror in the skies. And so he invited me to go to a shoot where they were interviewing a few people. for that documentary in Des Moines. And I was like, yeah, yeah. And I figured I'd just be watching off to the side. And at the last minute, he was like, okay, I need you to pretty much be the guy off camera who gets them to say different things through your questions

and we're going to cut your stuff out. And I was like, whoa. And this was like five minute warning. And I was like, okay, let's do it. Throw into the wolves. Yeah, halfway through that experience, I was like, man, I love to do this. Like, yeah, I've never interviewed people,

but I absolutely love this. And so, yeah, after that, I was like, man, I download Anchor and start talking to myself and my phone and then I started having people on. And I think we're about like 196 episodes into it. Wow. It's about three, three, four years started in 2019. Wow. Good for you, man.

That's awesome. That's excellent. It's crazy. It's been an adventure. So at what point did you really start getting in? into the short form videos that you do are just great. I know you're TikTok and Instagram and doing the YouTube shorts. Is that something that you've kind of recently been focusing on, you know, in addition to the podcast?

Yeah. So the podcast has really changed into something more because the trick is that in order to have people come and listen to your podcast, you have to have to. to be where the platforms are that have the eyes. So right now, the organic reach is over on TikTok. So I've been trying to hit that hard and become like the big foot guy over there. Mm-hmm. So I've been making all these videos over there to do with like, you know, Bigfoot encounters.

Those do really well, Bigfoot history. And then I'll download those and then repost those on YouTube shorts, which is very popular right now in Instagram Reels. All those nine, I think it's nine by 16 dimension short form videos, those are like really getting thrown out there from the platforms. And that's how you're going to get an audience right now. Yeah, absolutely. Well, dude, keep it up because that stuff is just awesome. Like I really enjoy every time, you know, we're notified. We see them, mainly I see them, your shorts on YouTube.

But there's constantly content you're putting. out. So, you know, keep that up. And I see the direction. It's just a lot of work. Guests are killer. And, you know, it's just been really cool to kind of see from a distance over the years of kind of where, because I know we, you were one of the first people. We followed. Steregology, Bigfoot Society. You know, there's, gosh, confessionals. So, yeah. Oh, he's so good. Tony's great.

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, what you decided to really just go down the rabbit hole with this stuff. And I, it was kind of a slow process, I imagine. Yeah. And then, you know, at a certain point, is there somebody, something that you experienced or somebody that you met where you're like, oh, God, this is all real? Or what was that one thing?

That's a good question. You got pulled. What was that? What was? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel what you're saying. As I started to get relationships with some solid people. And I cover different cryptic things. I cover different high strangeness things. But I focus a lot on Bigfoot because, again, a lot of people are into Bigfoot right now. And I love it too. So as I started to get these like solid relationships with people like Tate Hieronymus. um, Alex Petacoff from beyond the trail where I like to really talk to these guys a lot. I'm like, oh man,

there could be something, uh, to do this stuff, you know, like this isn't just a video you're watching on the internet. Like this is actually like people are going hardcore into this. Right. And Tate was always like,

dude, we got to get you out in the field. We got to get you out in the field. And if I could tell a little story for, oh, please do. Um, so he finally gets me out in the field last summer.

around, I want to say around August. And this is in, this is in Iowa. We have a, there's a place he goes to research. So he brings me out there for a weekend. And, you know, I've got, I'm doing the, I've got the audio gear. He's got all the gear. And we're just hanging out in the campsite.

And I'm by the fire one night. It's 110 heat index. So hot. And I'm trying to get used to that. He's in his, truck taking a nap because we're going to be out late doing stuff. But I'm by the fire because I don't know enough to like I need to take a nap. I'm just hanging out.

I'm on my phone because we were out in the woods, but I still had cell signal. So I was like on my phone and all of a sudden to my left, I hear like this. I was like, well, what was that? And I wasn't sure if it was a knock or not. The thing about that is I didn't get it on film and no one else heard it. But the next night, the temp dropped by about 30 degrees, and we were out hanging out around the fire. All of a sudden, 30 feet in front of us in the woods, this huge tree gets pushed over. And I'm like, Tate, was that a firework?

He's like, dude, what are you talking about? There's no fireworks out. It's just like a crack. A huge tree. Wow. Yeah. And he's like, he gets up and he's like, I'm going to start doing wood knocks against the tree in camp. I'm like, dude, go for it.

So he like starts hitting the tree. less than a minute later, we get a return knock to the right of our camp, like what felt like maybe 100 feet into the woods. Wow. And stuff was just like going back and forth all night. And we were like, I was like, this is nuts. This is actually real. Wow. Wow.

Wow. To I had an audio recorder going all night long. So I got seven hours of audio. Nice. And the next few weeks I was going through it because it takes a long time to go. through that audio. We hit 3.45 a.m. in the morning and knocks start happening again all over the place. I was like, but here's, here's the thing, guys.

You're in tents? Tate. So Tate's in his truck sleeping. I'm in a tent by myself. Yeah. Okay. So that's important. So I'm in the tent.

This is what you capture on audio. Yeah. You capture the tent. zipper being unzipped. What? I didn't leave the tent at all that night. So now I'm like, what's happening? Like Bigfoot doesn't open tents.

You were asleep. I was asleep. But the thing is, is that I interviewed people in the months after that that actually had stories about like Bigfoot messing with their tents and unzipping tent zippers and unzipping food in their campsites. Wow. And I was like, oh my goodness, what happened that night? This is nuts.

Right. So, yeah. I would say, I would say that would push you pretty solid in one direction of, you know, you're already doing it. But I mean, you know, having that personal experience. Yeah. And even if it's just audio, you know, it's sound like, you know, you're not seeing something rise up from which that would be a whole other level. But it's still. I'd handle that.

How do you, how do you? It's like close encounters of, you know, this kind and back and forth, back and forth. Bigfoot, right? Like, there's close encounters of you see a footprint kind. And then there's, yeah, like the video I saw where the lady's like, I don't know what was going on, but you see this creature and their dog won't go that way. And it's like, I don't know. You know, there's scales to it, right? There's no one way to slice the encounter or the experience, I guess, is what I'm saying.

And I think each level has its own uniqueness. Sometimes it's like I'd rather just see it and know rather than, you know, your own mind making it up too and like not making it up. But like, in absence of having it there in front of you, you're left going. So that thing pushed a tree over. It has to be this. Like, you know it's not me doing it. It's not Mike doing it. It's not a grizzly bear doing it even, right?

Like if you're in that area. But it's a big creature that is incredibly strong doing it. So what kind of tree are you talking, Jeremiah? Sorry. What kind of tree? Like a sapling? something that, you know, and where did it snap? Was it at a point where it was pretty high off the ground of where it broke?

Did you guys see the next day? No, it was, imagine, so it was like, it was a full tree getting pushed over. Okay. You know, imagine like a dead tree, like, around this diameter. Yeah. Imagine that falling over the noise you would hear. Like, it was, it was not enough where I. I was like, that's got to be a firework.

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That's a great question, though. Yeah. Man, that's great. I never knew that was a big foot sign. Well, they bend them over, right, Jeremiah, to kind of point sometimes direction or markers where they'll kind of snap them over into these A's. Some people hold that, you know, they will make tree structures or they will actually have these sort of language, by the way, that you see saplings like,

formed in an X or bent over things of that nature. Like a market. Yeah, there's quite a few people that hold that. Let me ask your opinion on something real quick. We were in Sequoia National Park. My wife and I and friends of ours two years ago. And I know about the heat index you were talking about earlier. We were on Lake Havasu for like three nights on a houseboat and it was 118 degrees.

And the coldest it got was like 100 at 6 a.m. But we're up in Sequoia National Park for two days. and I think it was on two days. I know it was on one day for sure. I heard a tree go down that if you're in Sequoise and I don't know how big the tree was, but I could feel the ground shake. Oh, man.

And I was like, okay, cool and never thought anything of it. And not that I think Sasquatch is pushing those over, but again, that kind of like, even on the scale of proximity, if it's close to you and it's a 30, 40 foot tree, if it's got enough weight, especially if it's a live tree or something with some heaven to it,

I mean, even that's going to make an impact that you hear it, and you might possibly feel it. Like, do you think it's a warning or, hey, I'm here? You know, it's such an interesting thing to think about because the tricky thing with Bigfoot is that we don't have the ability to talk to them and be like, okay, how are you guys communicating? Yeah.

But it's like, if it's a creature, creatures communicate in different ways. There has to be ways they're communicating. Right. Right. Why isn't pushing over trees like that one of those ways, you know, definitely. Knocking. People have heard bra clacking, wood knocks. There's also, you know, a myriad of different vocalizations, you know, like the Ohio Howl.

And who knows what those mean. Right. So I think it very well could be some sort of, you know, maybe. a warning call. Maybe that's a way that like if you guys were in the area and they're like hey, we just saw a human this is the easy way for me to tell you I'm going to push over a tree. I mean, who knows?

Stay back. Yeah. Stay back. Over here you're not welcome. Yeah, I think I'm there's and for both reasons. If I think it's a Sasquatch or not, a tree just fell over. Do I want to walk where a tree just, you know, maybe it's a kind of a double entendre of threats of maybe it's natural, maybe it's big foot, but maybe.

Maybe they're just also kind of trying to, obviously they don't like to be seen. So I'm just going to kind of warn you from a distance with a very long reach. Yeah, exactly. You know, or throw a bolder and that's what the big rock at you were. Right. You hear the stories. Exactly. Exactly.

Yeah. Like up in the Pacific Northwest, like the Olympic project, specifically like, you know, the area with the nests up there, the big foot nest. Like they would find areas where, you know, it's almost like they would have centuries up on the ridges that could see the nests in uh i believe it was shame coarson found like uh um some rocks that could be used for clacking together and who's who knows like if that's a way that like you know what the centuries is warning the others if a human gets right yeah and you know like how smart are these creatures we don't right but sounds like a rock falling off the side of the cliff on another rock or you know a very nondescript noise unless you know the cadence and you know

right overall what I want to say strength of that clap and kind of attuned into that you know language yeah thank you for answering that I feel like they're more human than they are animal for sure I mean some of those vocalizations and see it really does sound like a language and like some sort of you know almost Japanese knees all the samurai sound yeah yeah chuntering as one lady describes it on the sask I love the Sasquatch Chronicles I don't know if you ever listen to them Jeremiah you've ever heard him his intro yeah the little British one they were chuntering away yeah my wife gets a kick out of it every time I love it it's so funny

but yeah that's a very unique clip of audio to hear if you've gone oh yeah I've heard the hoops and whatever and then right what is that you know the samurai chatter Yeah. And everything. Can I try, can I try something? I may be able to play something like now. Please do.

Let's try it. Let's try it. This is a new thing. You got your new piece of gear, man. Let's use it. Watch out, Kyle. Here it comes. Oh, you're sending it to Kyle.

Let me know if you can hear that. No? I don't hear it. Okay, never mind it. Don't worry, kids. Just Google Sierra sounds and you'll hear what I was. Sierra sounds. Okay.

Sierra sounds by Ron Moorhead. Yeah. It's wild stuff. Yeah. Cool. It is a great clip. That's the one you're talking about. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Absolutely it is. That's great. So, you know, so I know you're in Iowa. Now, when you're a kid, you're around that area, Ohio has a lot of legends and weird, ancient stuff and a lot of different things that, you know, I didn't know about for pretty much until I was in my early 30s and late 20s started realizing how much stuff was going on in Ohio. I knew very little.

The cryptids and, you know, some of those kind of things. Now where you're from in Iowa, is there anything local legends? Is there any cryptids that are famous from Iowa? Oh, totally. So I moved out to. to Iowa about around 2008-ish. I lived in Western Mass before then. So moved out to Iowa, and as I started to get into things again,

I was like, man, there's more weird stuff than people know out here. Yeah. For example, the main one that people may have heard about is the Van Meter visitor, which is a winged cryptid that we have. And this isn't a town called Van Meter. about 20 minutes west of the Des Moines Central area. The story goes, and I'll kind of paraphrase things, but the story goes that in 1903, around late September,

there was a night where all of a sudden, this wing creature looked like an oversized, you know, creature with bat wings, huge bat wings, a horn on its head that shot out a beam of light. There was a tart involved where it was very smelly. Yeah, it was almost like you would picture a taradactyl, right? I got a lot of questions.

With lasers on its freaking freaking laser beams attached to their heads. So this creature starts messing around with Van Meter, which is a small mining community. Oh, a mining community of... Yeah, that plays. Coal mining? Yeah.

Coal mining? It gets pretty while with that later, for sure. Just saying. Thinking of West Virginia. The... The first night, they see the creature hopping around, and there's one night where it is hopping around on the rooftops. It's seen coming down a pole upside down, almost like a parrot would, which is very weird.

I'll say that sounds a risky. Well, it gets even more risque if you can happen. There's another night where the bank manager is inside the bank and he's trying to make sure that everything is safe. And pretty much he shoots at the visitor from inside the bank, which doesn't hurt the visitor. And they say they got a footprint, a three-term. toad footprint of the visitor, but the thing is it's never been found. And unfortunately, you know, people out here that are into this, they're like, oh, maybe someday someone will find the visitor footprint, right?

I've talked to all sorts of people. And it's, if it was a plaster footprint over 100 years, it's probably not going to be around anymore. Right. But if you've got it in your garage. Yeah. I would love to see it. Yeah.

It's still away. So we'll fast forward a little bit to eventually things escalate where the visitor flies off to the mine. So there's a mine on the outskirts of town. And it's messing with the people out there. There's actually a smaller adolescent Van Meter visitor scene. Wow. The townspeople are like going to put a stop to this. because it's been messing with them for a few days now.

So the people of Van Meter, Iowa, get together a posse. And they're like, we're going to get all of our boomsticks and get out to this mine and just totally take care of this visitor. Like Beauty and the Beast and Gaston. Yeah, yeah. Reven up. Burn it down. Kill the Beast. Yep.

Exactly. I'm sorry. Yeah. That's one of my favorite films. It's a really funny. Right? I'm just imagine like, man. Gaston.

This son of a bitch. He's come after us one too many times. Make an example. Get up a beast. So pretty much the visitor is impervious. It can't be hurt. The Des Moines Register reported this as there was enough firepower to sink the Spanish armada. So that's how much they had going on.

Pretty much the visitors, I believe they escape in the mine. and then they're never seen from again. Except for a few times in the last few years, there's been weird sightings around Van Meter. There's been one time when a guy was walking a dog and they find a huge bat-like creature dead on the side of the road. They come back later, the creature is gone. There's been a report of a pastor on the east side of Des Moines,

around Colfax that saw a huge flying creature up in the sky. That cryptid is actually referred to as the Colfax dragon, I believe. Okay. It's close enough so that the guy who saw that was like, oh, that kind of sounds like what this visitor thing was. So it's a weird thing. The cool thing, though, is that every year there's a festival about the Vayemeter visitor that goes on in Vaymeater. on the uh this year at september 30th we bring in people we have a celebration of the legend of the visitor uh chad lewis who's the author of the book got it right here this is okay you're into this

it is the book on it oh wow you can actually do a walking tour where you walk through the streets of a meter you walk into the bank where the shootout happened and then you get to walk out and see where the mind was on the outskirts of town and you get to you can ask Chad questions it's very cool so yeah too it's awesome to have an event like that happened yes minutes away so oh man so this is a local legend for you 20 minutes away it's extremely local wow so what age do you think you were when you first heard the story is that something all the kids know when they're uh growing up like it's one of the first Oh, no, this was when I, um, this was when I worked at Apple. So I was like, so you just came up there.

No, no, he didn't grow up there. No. Right. You were, okay. So it's 20 miles away from where you moved. He moved there eight years ago. Yes, yes. Yeah. Got it.

All good. No, I get it. Yes. It was, I was an older, well, mid to late 20s. Yeah, yeah. I'm just curious. So they, they were saying they could smell it. like yeah there were parts during that week where it was as a defense mechanism

kind of like emitting a smell as a defense it was very weird did they say how big it was like we're talking to DAC I want to say I want to say it was like seven to eight feet tall they were saying it's always that seven to eight foot tall why you got to be so tall Cryptids? Eight foot. Eight foot. Yeah. Wow.

It's wild, right? It is like my fear of where I grew up, everybody's so tall and all the cryptids have to be too. It's just like not fair. Exactly. So I've taken that cryptid as my local regional cryptid. And I just, you know, on the podcast, I have just totally been hyping it up, hyping it up. The cool thing is that that didn't become, that wasn't unnoticed by the people that run the festival so cool I'm actually helping to run the festival now of course which is really cool

right that's an awesome marriage yeah yeah dude so I'm excited uh to help the community and the economy of van meters through that yeah absolutely I would anything local like that is always a positive oh yeah get people together yeah so much especially to have fun doing something like that's really cool yeah I mean the moth band fest we got to make it to that not been there but I've been of the museum. We had something. I took myself down there. Yep.

Been down there. Just the festival. I haven't made the festival. But the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, Mothman Festival. There's regionally there's some, some awesome stuff kind of happen around us. You guys are in a good area to see stuff. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Well, I've not seen anything in the wild, but yeah, there's a lot of. Well, we could. We wanted to drive out to Salt Fork. That's true. You could. Yeah, well, I've been out there. I have been to Salt Fork, yeah. there.

Got to hit up dusty roof. Oh, you have? Yeah, absolutely. My wife does a lot of hiking and just takes our dog out. And so she goes everywhere and anywhere that she can with him. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. I know that she's been there.

That would be cool. That's on my list to see for sure. Nice. Once the last time you're in Ohio. Well, have you been to the Bigfoot conference? I haven't. No, but we did drive. We drove through it last year.

we took a road trip out to New England and we did drive through Ohio. So it drove right past the Salt Fork sign, but we could not, we couldn't stop. Yeah. We actually drove right through Columbus. Yep. You were on 70. 70. Yeah.

That's the vein. It was east and west. A lot busier than I thought it was going to be. Oh, my goodness. Columbus? I was like, Columbus is going crazy. That highway is nuts, dude. Columbus is going crazy.

It's been going crazy for the last decade, but it's really hit kind of a Rick Maranis hypers speed or ludicrous speed. Yeah. We're going plaid. I was like, get me out of there, dude. Too busy for this Iowa guy. Too much for... Yeah.

Oh, man. It keeps grown. Now, in Iowa, do you guys have any ancient sites? Like, any... All right, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there. What's worse? Being understaffed or being poorly staffed? Well, that's a trick question, because both are recipes for chaos.

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It's a collection of mounds. Not a you know similar to what you guys have out in Ohio, I believe, but it's a really cool area And unfortunately the time that I went there, I wasn't into the mindset of all this stuff sure I was viewing it through a different mindset But right yeah a lot of cool different um you know native american exhibits you can go to and uh it's just is very cool So we do have that one thing going for ancient stuff. Yeah, and I know Iowa's had a lot of mounds, just like Ohio, where they've just gotten kind of leveled through farming and expansion of. And I know, you know, Iowa, just like Ohio's got a lot of agriculture and, you know,

soybeans and corn. And over, you know, 200 years, they just kind of dwindle away. And they're lost in history. Well, they get torn apart and whatever. Yeah. I was going to say I have a fact Well fact I have an estimate for this from following Lepper on Twitter

Yeah I asked him the other day as like how just how many mounds Roughly do you estimate in North America etc. He's like many there were a million Yeah he's like upwards of a million there were easily 10,000 just in Ohio Yeah he's like they're there everywhere because if you follow him on Twitter It's all he does is post Picture mound mound mound mound and every different state and every different location you're like what the Yeah. It's crazy.

It's really wild. Like Mike was saying, you know, they turned into farmland or they got torn down or, you know, people dug into them. Escavated. The Freemasons and early antiquarians. Dig them apart. They're all over it. Yeah. So, Jeremiah, your call-in show.

How fun is that? I don't care. Yeah, I want to hear about this. Can you share any particular moment or person that has stuck out? from that calling show yeah yeah um

did I call so I can't remember I'm like 25 uh Sundays this okay 25

I think I was dedicated dude I was uh I was thinking like I can't remember why I started it but I I was like man

there needs to be like an old art like an old art bell type thing where people yes oh I listen into the archive still yeah exactly i love it so i was going for that and um yeah i've literally have a google voice number that i'm putting out on the internet and um sunday nights from seven 30 to

eight 30 p m central standard you can call in and live on youtube and then i put them up on the podcast afterwards sometimes people call in and share their stories there's some weird ones dude Yeah, but it's cool to provide that space Because a lot of them are people where they've not shared Their story, you know right? Right, let's see what would be one that comes to but they can remain like completely anonymous correct? Yeah, yeah, it's like I'm saying like some people don't want to be like hey, I'm so-and-so. They just want to say hey, look. I saw something that was weird. We had a dog man encounter video that we did where our buddy we changed his voice and and

identity he wasn't comfortable coming on but dog man encounter like pretty close on the coastal Carolina in the in between basically like Wilmington and Surf City Coastal North Carolina and it's kind of swampy boggy tons of deer tons of wildlife and four people saw this creature. And so, you know, that was,

you know, I would love to do more of those kind of stories. Yeah, I didn't know about that happened years ago. I was like, it's like a Christmas present you forgot to give me or what? Yeah, he just never.

What the hell's wrong with you? Kim was terrified. And I had to beg them to, you know, basically bring it on. Like I want to know the story. Wow. Yeah.

That's awesome. One story that I can remember, a guy named Burton Moran, his YouTube channels, local legends with Burton Moran, I believe it's a really good channel. But he would call it in from South Dakota. And he was telling me about how in the past they've seen a giant owl stories of seeing a giant owl up there in South Dakota. And the thing is, is that. And. Well, now you're going to hear about it. So now it might happen to you.

But there's supposedly, when you hear people talking about this giant owl, then you're going to see a giant owl within the next few weeks. Oh, God. The crazy thing is. I had a guy from central Iowa call in a week or so later. And he's like, yeah, this is weird. but I'm seeing something behind my house with glowing eyes and that's standing very tall up at night

and he's like I don't know if it's a giant owl but there's something out there now and I'm like, dude Patrick oh no you got cursed by the giant owl so that's just hopes that happens to yeah that'd be great I have a second floor balcony come land you know what you have a great

out of viewing deck I know I wanted to build like an attraction platform yeah put meat up there and stuff for him at night but I always joke man that my wife you know living with me and I'm the one that wants to see the UFO and the alien whatever and like one day I have this dream that you know I'm gonna see that UFO and that beam of light I'm gonna run down there and they're gonna be like we're here for her and I'm like yep makes sense go ahead get to go let her take the interstellar trip don't let me go yep there you go here with contact yeah but

But if he could land on my deck, we could hang out there. I've got a little porch, you know, fireplace for him. This big owl, I'm down for it. I've got snacks. Just don't eat my dog. Yeah, leave the pets out of this. Well, he kind of looks like a little hot dog, so he's kind of asking for it. Oh, so he's asking for it for sure.

Yeah. He looks like a little sausage. Have you ever been invited to come and investigate from any of these folks that are reaching out to you? Like, hey, we have this active thing. happening you should come out and do some field work in you know do you know i haven't actually that that would be kind of cool though yeah i would i would be in i would be into that that would be cool um and i think that's just part of as my name gets out there to the every man community like the people that are into weird stuff like they know right but like you know i'm not i'm not to the level where

it's like, oh, I saw a Bigfoot. Maybe I should try to contact the Bigfoot Society guy. Instead, they're thinking of like, I should try to contact the finding Bigfoot guys, you know? Right, right, right. So maybe someday, I mean, if someone contacted me is like, hey, I've got something going on in Iowa and I want you to check it out. Like, dude, I would totally be up for that. Right. Yeah, that would be great.

But not yet. So. I would be up for it, I think. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. I would need to go strength of numbers. It couldn't just be like me and one other person. We're going to need like four, maybe five so that I could be the fastest one, hopefully.

Yeah, the one that doesn't get abducted. Put on my outdoor cross trainers wearing a sweat band as I show up like, you're on the next Politis documentary. He went missing. He got separated from his friends. By the way, we love David Politis as well, not make fun. I love his stuff as well. But yeah, that's right, David plays. Come on. Come on down.

Oh man. Like I said, he was supposed to be at CryptedCon and I didn't realize that until Mike he had said it. And I was like, I'm glad you didn't tell me beforehand. I would have been heartbroken even more than I was. But it was easier to kind of be let down at the end of it rather than the start. But it was still. That's true. Yeah.

Yeah. There's some good speakers at that conference. So it was so good. Yeah. There really was. We definitely got, you know, a lot out of Mike Hanks. Yeah. There was some good ones.

It was fun. And really, we just got to meet a lot of people. You know, people that are trying to. I was still extremely sore. I couldn't move much. Yeah, you were hurting. You were. Had a lot of back pain.

Taking a break or two here or there. I just had to sit. Just couldn't do it. Oh, I hear you dude. I was just tuckered out, but it was the best part for me was definitely meeting people that you'd been talking to online. And like, right.

There was a Sunday night after the conference where a group of us were just in the bar talking for like three, four hours. And it was like, that's it. People like Seth, Breedlove, Alex and Eli from Beyond the Trail were there, Mark Mersell,

Tim Halloran from Bigfoot influencers. Like all these, you know, these guys in the community and just be able to like talk Bigfoot stories with them one on one. is yeah well you can't you can't do that any any other way you know right oh absolutely well and get everybody there once one one one place to kind of just hang out afterwards exactly unwind and those are the best stories too right like that's stuff where it's like well i don't have it prepped

but you know uh i haven't worked out this story yet or but there's a lot of kind of i don't know unknowns in those conversations that come up and you're like i've never heard that before that's awesome yeah there's a lot of connections that are made through conversations like that with different people that normally don't talk to each other. And that's a really cool part of it. Right. So connections. Yeah.

Dude. Such a good time. Such a good time connecting with so many people out there. And we just, really, we just showed up with a bunch of stickers and stuff to give away and just kind of, you know, saying hi to people. Yeah. Basically just trying to say, hey, we. We're out here. We're kind of trying to do this too,

and we appreciate what you guys are doing. No booth. We didn't have anything like that dialed in. It's like, we're going to go have a lot. Same here. I did hear somebody. At one point,

I was sitting there and Kyle and Mike had gone somewhere. And Mike, we had stickers everywhere, like on the computer. And I just remember hearing a couple as they walked by and they're like, holy, look, there's some of those strange road stickers.

Oh, man, I've seen those. It was like, oh, man. It's great. way like a hundred. He just went up, set them down on a tabletop, set him down on a table. Oh yeah, I got tired of handing them out.

I was just sitting down on tables. Hats, whatever he had that he could, you know, put out there, which is great. You know, again, like, yeah, you know, we want to be able to get people to tune in and be able to see what we're doing. And again, hopefully give us a waypoint marker of yay or nay. Do you like it? Do you not like it? Like, that's fun. Yeah.

And I think we're all kind of shocked just by the overall reason. response already of, you know, people that watch it or tune in on Spotify or whatever podcast. Anybody that's tuning in right now to the live stream. So us up, everybody. And welcome. I don't even think. I don't think about it because I'm thinking about it in the sense of, yeah, we're doing it live. But I don't really, like there's a lot of different layers going on.

It wants to be aware of mentally, right? Like when you're doing these shows. Yeah. As far as I can see, all I see is Jeremiah and you. Like, I know it's happening, but to not have it in front of us makes it a little different. But I think helps keep the conversation. a little bit more in front of us. And we're going to get some of the stuff where we can integrate when somebody tunes in or subscribes or.

Oh, absolutely. We can have that interaction. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff is cool. Yeah. We're still in beta mode in a lot of ways. Like you're saying, but you're opening yourself to all kinds of resources of people to talk to that you're just like,

yeah, what did you say? Oh, wow. I've never heard that story. It's great. Like, I, again, that story from the Twitter follower I, uh, Twitter guy I follow. Yeah. His story about the Native Americans. I had no idea.

I never heard that in my entire life. It was great. There's just so much out there that you just, you can't be aware of all of it at once. Right. No, you really can't. So. You really cannot.

Jeremiah, this being a swap cast, I think I'm going to hand the reins over to you, brother. Is there, you know, you are now the host in a way. All right. Let's see what happens. So, and the questions, you know, if you guys both have answers, that's cool, or if one of you has answer the other. Oh, sure.

You know, we'll just be whatevs. Yeah. But first off, so this is, this is more for me. I'm curious to find what, like, what's a strange road? What's the deal with? We get this. We've been on one. Yeah.

So that's kind of the metaphor. Daniel Boone National Force. We've been on. you know on we got lost on it from you know where we were 20 years to go to 10 years ago to like the path to get kind of in a place where we are kind of pursuing our passions yeah and okay and getting to a point where we're doing this podcast and trying to create things that we're passionate about right we're interested in we've made a lot of really amazing things for

clients and other folks over the years. And, you know, the life experiences of being in a back road. And, you know, the inspiration of really our brand and logo is a lot of just experiences in the American Southwest. So when I, the strange road being a kind of a metaphor of the path that we're on. And that's what I pictured in my head was those times in the American Southwest. as the sun's setting and you're in the desert. And it's just kind of gets mystical. And, you know, there's some definite Albuquerque.

Interesting experiences that we've had as a crew in Sedona and Bub and I. Okay. Yeah, I was going to ask you. So, you know, that's the artist that we worked with. And he's like, well, what do you really like see? It's like straight driving down this desert road or in the back hills of Ohio, kind of in the hills with, you know, hunting for earthworks. But kind of like you're in the middle of nowhere kind of feeling.

Like just that, you know, and I've driven on those strange roads through Montana and Wyoming and etc. There are roads where you don't see anybody for 100 miles, 200 miles, whatever. And you're like, am I the last person on the face of years? And there's spooky, spooky stuff. I mean, it's got everything. It's got ancient history, petroglyphs, UFO stories. There's cryptids and sassies. Watch and Thunderbirds and, you know, we went on a Earth Wisdom Jeep tour back in 2010 and got smudged on top of a vortex by this guy, Kevin, that played two different Native American flutes and kind of just took us on this.

This tour was supposed to be like three hours and ended up being like seven because he was just having a great time. He was like, I don't really get to do this with people that are into it. You guys are having a great, usually it's like, you know, some rich people from Beverly Hills that are, you know, wearing crystals around their neck. I feel like by the end of it, he wouldn't even like ask us anymore if we wanted to. He just kept taking us. Hey, I don't normally, but would you guys like to? And by the end of it, he would just kind of go, we're doing this. And we'd be like, we don't know what Kevin's doing, but we're down for it, you know, and he pulled out some medicine wheel cards and, you know, kind of.

Oh, wow. You know, I remember at the time, like Mike says, a lot of times when we talk about. about the story of, you know, just having this very like on the nose draw from those cards where he just, each of us drawn cards. He's just like, this is so freaky man.

Like, he's just weird. We're reading the cards out loud. He's like they're just too close to what you guys are talking about. Like, because I was moving to California for a travel nurse position at the time. It was a time of change. Yeah. And he was just pulling this out of these cards, basically.

I mean, what he read for Mike wouldn't fit for me. Let's put it that way. So it's not like your horoscope where it's just going to, this is going to catch all everybody. It was like way too on the nose. Like it was cool. It was weird. And it freaked him out too. That's when we kind of were like, okay,

this guy's really, he's more excited than we almost. Like he was totally. Pleasures all on this side of the table, Peter. Yeah. So did you actually walk into the vortex area then? So we went to a few different ones. Yeah, because we got out and he was like, look, right

there and you could see like a line in the ground and then there would be a juniper that was just spinning as it grew up and the other juniper is just like bushes and these would be like it was spinning the growth of the root yeah the plants would be bent over or like oh it was like growing in a certain way in a spiral yes so they actually vortexes as they would show us the uh what he called a lay line or the yeah spots where you can actually see these cracks yeah yeah in the bedrock And then he taught us how to basically what you do is you just hover your fingers over top of that crack and you just kind of start to feel maybe a sensation and you're connecting to it in a way. So we were just open-minded going, what's going on here? And Bub was totally not expecting any of this.

And neither was I. I was just like, this sounds great. He saw Jeep Wisdom tours and I was like, that sounds awesome. Hey, my best friend is driving across country with me the day after New Year's, which is New Year's, which is New York. year's day that you know we're we get there and I'm like hey man whatever you want to do we're in Sedona I've been here before whatever you want to do while we're here let's go do it yeah he's like cool we're gonna do a Jeep wisdom tour I'm like hell yeah we are yeah and it turned out you know that's kind of one of my favorite things I'm not a

planner I'm a very much like in the moment yeah that sounds great yeah for the most part why not unless you know physically I could yeah yeah I'm down for pretty much anything but it was cool because he showed us the science of it too that NASA had been studying and found it was scans in the 1950s when they were doing like starting up the space program and that's when they kind of realized that electromagnetic force was there and then also showing us

right where those cracks are you follow it and it hits this juniper and it's just growing in this perfect spiral we saw him right there in 2021 pointed it and be like look right there and you'd be like how the hell did it and you just just see you're like that's crazy in 2021 we went to sidona for a shoot with uh david lone bear and his team ancient echoes clifford mohouti was supposed to be involved but he ended up getting sick which was kind of sad yeah uh but we had a day where we just went around and hiked and went to

cathedral rock vortex and again you see the big giant cracks leading and you see one that goes right into this middle this perfect juniper it's so beautiful and sure enough i go there you go Showed the guys. I'm like, this is what I'm talking about. So even the last time I went, same exact thing. Saw the spiral junipers again. Yeah. Well, didn't Kevin say on our Jeep tour that he was like,

there's a lot of Hollywood celebrities that live out there. Robert De Niro. Because of the energy that comes out of the earth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, and even like Tom coming on, our last guest we had in that we did our live YouTube show with. the strange road. He came in. He talked about serpent mountain in the impact crater. I don't know if you're familiar with Serpent Mountain in Ohio.

Oh, yeah, I know a little bit of that, yeah. It sits in an impact crater. Really? Yeah, that was hit by a,

okay. Yeah, like what do you say, 300 million years ago? He was 27 million, but yeah, a long time ago. He said,

I think it was more than that. I don't know. Like a long time ago. Millions of years ago. Millions of years ago. We'll have to look at the dude. Anyhow. But he said when that in,

when that, when that, impact occurred, all of that displacement of the earth in those layers, all of those different layers of strata have a different charge, positive, negative, etc. ions. And so it changed all of the charge in that crater. And so, like, it also, what, there's a fault line that goes through there. And just, like, the energy that comes out. All these different things.

New cars will just stop running. So the meteor hit the fault line. Yeah. And then there's all of this basically like Breccia. So that's got like chromium, all these different metals in it. And that's when NASA showed up at his rock shop. Rock shop was like, hey, we're here to study the crypto explosion, which they thought it was from underneath the earth. Nope.

It turns out because of this breccia that Tom helped them find, they went in and analyzed it. And it's all this space material. So they knew then that it was a meteor impact when for all these years up until the 90s, they realized that it was an explosion. It wasn't a crypto explosion or like lava or a gas pocket underneath the ground that blew up that is actually a meteor impact from above. And this is in Sedona, you're saying? No, this is in Ohio. This is an impact crazier in Ohio. But yeah, it's so he was talking about the energy flows that come out of that and how new cars will just, they'll stop running.

Batteries die. The alternator stops running. He said one day there was a. a derachio and a high wind came in and he sits right by the fault line and it's literally down the middle of the road and he said they saw that der acha come in and lift that from the fault line to the power lines and transfer it and it melted the power lines he's like we watched it happen aEP came out and said you're on a fault line that's why that happened the power company didn't even didn't even blink an eye at it they're like absolutely that's what happened yep it's not some paranormal thing

it like you know aEP's just a real phenomenon confirming this This is why all of our, all these lines just blue, you're on a fault line. That is wild, man. Yeah. And those ancient people built this ridiculous, unbelievably advanced structure inside the crater. Yeah. Huh? At a high point up on a plateau.

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Well, the thing is there's so many different kinds. There's burial mounds, and then there's mounds that are like from intrusive people that came later. So they would dig down into existing mounds and bury their dead, and they were probably... Like borrowing some space. Yeah, a culture... We want to build our own. That came into the area much later and wanted to reveal. their dead by putting them inside these more ancient structures that were already there.

Kind of emulating them. So some of them are burial mounts, but that's what people think of when they think of a mound that there's a bear. Most of them are these earthworks. So the big difference is the earthworks most of the time don't contain any bodies inside the geometric patterns unless it's a mound inside of a circle that was meant for someone from high regard. But the Hopewell, the Adina, they built these really advanced mathematical,

astronomical, either calendars or markers of the solstice. There's moon calendars that are octagon shape that track the 18.6-year lunar cycle from front to back. That's in Newark. That site as a whole takes up the entire city of Newark, Ohio. Yeah. It's a big earthwork. There's so many, there's a few different cultures, like Bob was saying, the intrusive burial mound culture, the Fort Ancient, the Hopewell, and the Edina, which some of the nomenclature is right now being pushed to change.

Because Hopewell is actually a gentleman. Owned a farm. It's a Confederate soldier that owned this farm where this Hopewell mound was found. and so they named that culture after him. Right. The Edina. Okay. That's weird.

Yeah. So the names are. They don't fit the culture. Because here's the thing. You know, like the Cherokee, the Shani, they're descendants of these people. But most of the tribes will say that, hey, these were here before we ever got here. So they're older than the kind of modern day tribes that were in Ohio. Right.

And so that culture is lost. It actually is a lost civilization. Nobody knows who they were what their actual names were. So Adina culture was... Right. It's just the name we ascribe to them or whoever came along and built a house there. Early archaeologists. Oh, this is, you know, this is Justin's...

Like the mansion. Like, just a farmer. Thomas Worthington's main. mansion. Yeah. And Chilli Coffee, for example, was called the Adina Mansion. Right. So there was this big mound on his property.

And so they called that the Adina mound. Therefore, the people that built it were called the Adina culture. Yeah. So it's just this guy's mansion. Finders keepers, losers, leapers was real back in the day. They're named after. Yeah. And then for an ancient, you know, there's a site called

Fort Ancient, but doesn't have anything to do with the Fort Ancient Culture. It's all very, very confusing. It's like been that way for, you know, over 100 years. But the first book ever written by the Smithsonian was from two guys from Chilacothe, Ohio, that went around and documented and surveyed. Yeah. Mounds all over the Midwest going all the way to the Mississippi River. And so ancient monuments of the Mississippi Valley is kind of the,

1840 when these things started getting hardcore documented. Yeah. But they were definitely seen and known about before then, but really not like put together in a kind of a collection of study, right? It was like a newspaper article or Farmer X found this or, you know. There wasn't professional archaeologists. People were just digging them up, Freemasons, doctors, lawyers, people that were You know, former Confederate soldiers.

Just enthusiasts in general, too. People that kind of knew after the word got out. Indiana Jones type guys. Think if there's a million of these things conservatively, you know, putting an estimate on it, they're kind of common back when you first got here because there were people that were living here. People were fascinated when they started moving into Ohio. It blew people away because they were seeing along these river systems,

these incredibly advanced, geometrically mathematically back then they didn't realize how mathematically and they didn't understand what they were seeing geometrically perfect and actually had ratios of phi and pie and all these different mathematical principles encoded into them with all these solstice alignments equinox alignments planetary alignment so it's like whoa i mean that's the mayans the egyptians super advanced cultures were tracking these type of solar happenings and planetary movements.

Yeah. And weren't they also digging up like giant bones? Yeah. We've done some digging into that, yeah. We believe that to be, the problem is you can't prove it. There's no bones.

Well, there are bones. Yeah, we're there. They're in a museum that we don't know about. Apparently, I asked Leper about this too. Yeah. I did ask Lepper about that as well. And he hit me back and he said they did pull some skeletons out at, I think

he said certain mound, or some of the mounds that were seven to eight feet tall. Wow. He did admit that? I have it in Twitter. Whoa, how are you just telling me about that? Now I'm glad he did. And now it's on the internet. Well, that's because Jeffrey Wilson has worked with the postcard that was in the Peabody Museum

at Harvard. Right. He found the postcard and was able to, from scale, find out how big that skeleton was, but there was no lower leg. So if it was... The size and the size. was at least seven feet tall. But they have a lot of this stuff still on hand.

It's just not displayed. And I mean, that goes for, I would say a bulk of Native American artifacts in general because there are millions. They're in Europe. On millions. But you've got to think what an artifact is,

an earring, a bracelet of this. The Chicago World's Fair and the Chicago Museum. Yeah. The Chicago World's Fair actually had like thousands and thousands of Hopewell artifacts. that they are now in the field museum, but for that famous huge Chicago World Fair,

where they unveiled all kinds of, I think that was the one. Was that where they lit it up? Where they, with light bulbs? That was in New York. But one of the turn-of-the-century World's Fair that they had, all those artifacts were brought there to be on display.

So unfortunately, Ohio, we don't even have the artifacts of these people. Oh, yeah, yeah. They're in Harvard. They're in Chicago. They're in Pied Body Museum. It's just wild. You know, you can go to Ohio History Connection and they have some artifacts there. Yeah.

There's this mica hand. There's really interesting copper jewelry and copper art that people have found. And it's just really advanced artwork and geometry and mathematics. So you can get so far deep into it because Serpent mound is like highly contested at the moment too and is kind of a hot spot of topics. Mikey brought me down there years ago, right? Like I don't know, six, seven years ago, it's been a long time when I was like, why do I want to go to this? I was like, okay, cool, we'll drive a couple hours to.

It just didn't click with me at the time. I wasn't really in that phase of life. I was, I think in the job I was in, I just didn't really care about much. because I just want to get to the next day and just not be mad about today and whatever. But got down there and kind of check it out. And then, you know, he's gone back a number of times. I've been back a number of times,

but it's just grown and grown in notoriety here lately. But yeah, the mound itself, and I mean the alignments, if you follow the bends of the serpent and stand at certain spots on certain days of the year for the solstice and equinox, when you're standing at such bend it rises right there when you stand this way it sets

right there oh yeah oh yeah it's aligned to true north it's sitting in this highly charged energetic area of the world like again I mean it's a wild wild place and I mean it's really interesting because again it's been such a I won't say a secret but just not very

on anyone's radar until I mean it was it was on ancient aliens a couple years ago. And the alignments really just came in, really, the 90s, this couple that were dowsers, spent a ton of time out at serpent mound just tracking to see if there were any... Amateur couple, right? Yeah, they were amateur astronomers and dousers. But since they weren't credited.

Yeah, but, you know, Jeffrey really, really believes in the research that they did. Same, same. A lot of people pull from that. I'm saying they don't have the card. They're not in the club. They're not an action. not accepted. Yeah, sure.

The accepted narrative, such and such. The official narrative is that there are no certain alignments that they found that they don't agree with. But there are markers out there with the equinox sunrise and sunset. It's really cool. If you check it out, I think you'd like it. And moon rises and moonsets. So there's moon, there's the sun. Some people say there's connections to Draco and Cygnus and other constellations.

So definitely going to put it on the list to check out like it's a giant mystery We went to America Stonehenge in New Hampshire Oh growing up so jealous I want to hear about this go dude I don't know if I've ever heard of this america stonehen oh yeah you've heard of this again this is like me remembering from when I was like 10 or 11 and not into the weird stuff yet but i remember it's like you literally go into the woods and it's like you literally go into the woods and It's like, imagine a little stonehenge with more rocks, but it's like in the middle of the forest, but like a long different, like the solstice.

Yep. The solstice, you can, it's like it lines up. It's just the weirdest thing. It's like how do you explain this? It's like, do they know where it came from? Or who? The serpent mounds. It's the same thing.

Yeah, where it came from or who built it or how old it is or? So theories on this. I've never heard. think that is ancient. Some people think that is very ancient. Stonehenge of, say it again, Stonehenge. The Stonehenge of America is the name. It's called America Stonehenge. All right, I will look it up tonight and research it.

I'll listen to that or find something on it when I go to. And it's private property. There's a guy that actually owns the land, but I believe you have to, yes, you can. But I believe you have to book ahead of time. All right. Well, put it on the list of places we need to go and check out. But there, isn't there like chambers that light up when the sun hits a certain chamber? I remember there were different things you could walk into.

Yeah, like stone type chamber things. I do remember that. That's cool. Yeah. It was just, it was really weird. I had a lot of questions as a kid. The people I was with didn't have a lot of answers. Sure, sure.

You know, yeah. That's funny. That kind of thing. So, guys, what are your favorite cryptids of Ohio? Lovelland Frog for me Mikey loves I love Loveland frog It's the wand and the

It's just the whole He's like a What it brings of the The little magical ceremony That's happening down there Yeah The evidence is very little though I just like the idea of it all being real

That's fun to me Right now Obviously the most Probably reliable the Ohio Grassman, Minerva Monster. You know, I think that's much more documented and provable.

Well, I kind of claim Moffman, but I know it's West Virginia. Yeah. Well, no, there were sightings in Ohio. And that's what I'm saying. And the bridge, I know, but that bridge spans both, right? So I know it's, uh, the museums over there and it is they're crypted, but I'm going to like, adopt it for my favorite cryptid because I just find that story fascinating.

I actually cracked the book back out again. I need to start reading it, but the Mothman Prophecies by John Keel is one of my favorite. Oh, heck yeah. Oh, it's so good because I said the movie was great, right? But kind of conveyed the overall just weirdness that was going on to a certain degree, but they didn't get into the UFOs surrounding all of it, the men in black surrounding all of it, all the strange stuff that happened to John Keel, like phone lines that weren't his that were in his name and, oh, your secretary took a message.

I don't have a secretary. like all this weird stuff that followed him forever. Like that little clip in the movie where, you know, they're portraying him with whatever the guy's name. I can't think of it now. But he basically says like, you know, well, you noticed that they're out there. You noticed this thing.

And it noticed that you noticed it. He's like most of the time, nobody can pay attention to him. Nobody can see them. Nobody says like, you know, it's kind of, He kind of had like a spooky tone to it. Like, you know, it's not a good thing.

But I think in that essence, maybe a mothman, maybe if it wasn't a benevolent entity, I don't know. There's so much to it. There's so much surrounding it. And the T&T area and the men in black that show up and they're all disjointed. And the lady from the OU or from Ohio or I'm sorry, Athens newspaper. Oh, she's great. And she was breaking the story as it was happening live. I can't remember her name now.

Men in Black were visiting her. And then John Keel started really communicating with her and other journalists. She had interactions with the men in black. Oh, totally. They came to her office. Looking for John Keel. Like, that's the stuff that I never knew about. So funny, like, uh, blew my mind.

Funny ties into this in my previous job. when I was reading this book, I actually worked with a girl whose aunt was one of the girls. I think she's the one that had the baby. Oh, yeah. And fell out in the front yard and saw the moth man. Right. And I was like, wait, what? Who's your aunt?

And she's like, yeah, she was, I was like, can I get her on the show? Yeah, we could probably talk to her. I could reach out to have fun of that. Oh, yeah. Maybe if she's, I don't know how old she is there. We could blur her voice or blur her out and change her voice. Yeah. Well, I mean, she's already spoken on camera.

It's not like she hasn't given the true. Yeah, but I mean, that would be a whole interview. And it's kind of like one of those things, how you said earlier about the whole like the tall owl, the big owl. God, I want to see that. And a couple days later, you know, it's like a synchronicity thing almost right. Well, that's how it happened with reading the mothman prophecies and having it out. And I just never forget this girl. Oh, yeah.

Oh, you're reading that? Oh, my aunt and such and such. And I about, I probably about fell off my chair. But to her, it's a story. It's whatever. To me, it's an account. right like there are two different things about that like the stories maybe it's really maybe it's not real an account is maybe it's real not real but somebody

saw this somebody had this account somebody you know I can't say for them whether or not it really happened or not that's only between them and their own experience right but you got to choose to go with people on their story sometimes and accounts and again to her it was just more of like a oh yeah and so and so yeah and it didn't hold any weight to her but to me it was like it's like discovering your uncle's Superman. Yeah.

And just thought that was, okay, everybody's got one of those. No, we don't. Like, that's pretty wild. Yeah. Southern Columbus, I worked at, well, before it was AT&T,

it was singular wireless. Yeah. That's kind of dating me a little bit. But I worked with this, this lady that grew up in Point Pleasant as a kid. And I brought it up. I said, wait,

you're from Point Pleasant. Is the mothman? Have you ever heard stories? Oh, I used to ask everybody. She goes, I can tell you right now that it all happened. I live through it. The stories are real. Yeah.

Mary Hire. The bridge. Yes, the reporter. The bridge, the sightings. She's like, I knew people that were involved with the sightings. Right. All that whole summer was just fear and palpable fear. From everybody that lived there as a kid,

said everyone was terrified. So whether it not it was real, the people that were experiencing it, going from old to young like her, to her, to her, that was real. The experience, the fear.

Think about how many people probably didn't talk about it. Oh, yeah. Because there's still some people that are pretty good about, you know, stifling away. Yeah, like, never come out. Never come out. It didn't happen. Because they don't have anything to gain, dude. You know, we've talked about this.

but there are people that don't come to grips with certain things that don't align with them. True. They fight it. You know, Tom saying how he got his house. The guy was like a Baptist priest, the gentleman that was on talking about Serpent Mount again. He lives in a paranormal haunted house that apparently produces doppelgangers. Oh, my goodness. He runs a rock shop that is on the same property to it's adjacent to the house, right?

So people will be like, hey man, I just saw you outside at the woodcar. He's like, I've been in the shop. And they're like, no, I swear it was you. And it's like, I came up and you wouldn't say anything to me. I called out for you. You didn't say anything. Yeah. Or people interfacing with people in the house that they know are in the house that when they see them, they won't talk to each other.

Or one guy was in another city. And they're like, oh, I was upstairs for the last two hours. I haven't come down the stairs. Never came down the stairs. Like, yeah, but I saw you. No, I was upstairs the whole time. Oh, believe me, I was, my jaw was wide. I was just like, I love doppelganger stories.

I listen to a lot of monster. among us and I've just recently discovered what a doppelganger was even in the you know paranormal cryptid experience I've known it from somebody yeah you look like son so that's great but not hey I saw the exact you walk in the streets like what that's kind of that's really creepy so my question to him was do you think these doppelgangers are these you know these energies in your house or these spirits or whatever they are and that's how they take shape to kind of interact you know because you know them and you're familiar with them and you know that looks like somebody you know

if it was a stranger that would freak you out right and what are you doing in my house but what else he says is water faucet would just turn on in front of him like the water would just start especially if he's got a rock shop in his house like what kind of weird stuff from all those different rocks right well and he has the largest something he has a trilobite collection that he had on display

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you'll receive AARP benefits for two. Go to AARP.org slash IHeart to join today. I saw it. He's trilobite, the largest trilobite. He's a wild man. In the United States or the world, the largest species is from here in Ohio. Yeah. And so Tom bought a piece of property and started from a farmer years and years ago.

He found out where they were and just became hooked and has a few books about trilobites written, has been featured. Yeah, he's such a Swiss army. knife of stories like I said directly the road that his house sits next to is where that fault line sits right across the road is a dollar general that he was talking about paranormal activity that happens there and it's just in the dollar general oh yeah it used to be a house over they tore the house down yeah to build the dollar general employees will come over to his rock shop and be like hey do you know anything about and he'll stop and be like yep Yes, we know it's haunted.

He said the ghosts know them by name, the workers. Oh, no. He's seen pots drop off the shelf in front of him as he's walking through the store. I was just like, okay, I'm coming down and camping out. Change lined up in a circle, all these quarters. Around a bag of cookies. They were open. Come out and all of this changes on the floor.

He can look out the house and see the lights flickering across the street at night. Right. At night. When nobody's there, he's just in his house and like the lights turn on and off. It's like, there's nobody there. You have an interview with this guy? This is who we just interviewed. Last week.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, last Tuesday. Yeah, I can't wait to listen to this. Yeah, he's great. But we released a piece, a little mini doc, a 20 minute little doc that we did that we started the project a few years back for a live stream. It was like a cool playback that we did for this live stream event. that we produced with Tom and that we produced with his wife Terry

and so we kind of re-edited that and it's going to be for sale in the rock shop as a collector's DVD we released that and then had Tom on to kind of promote that coming out and just talk about general and have some conversation and he's done the tour for 25 years

yeah the impact creator I guess put it to paper or media it's never been captured so he's He's just the guy. No, he's just the guy that knows it. So people are like, go to the rock shop. Book a tour with Tom. He's the guy, the NASA scientist that helped build, what, the lunar rover?

Showed up in his shop. Hey, do you know about the crypto explosive blast crater? And he's like, yeah, I can show you the Brett. That's what Mike was saying. The Brecce is when that impact crater hit, it drove down. So where you sit at the lowest point of the crater, that Earth is newer than the highest point of the crater. that soil is older because the ground got pushed up right oh sure yeah and then fell back down into the hole yeah so that's how he says you know you're in an impact crater is when you have that

timeline flow oh wow so he was like sure i can show you so that's he's just yeah he's a swiss army knife of interesting um yeah really that's fascinating yeah we'd been going to their events for i had been going to their events for a few years and then finally got a chance to go to the rock shop and me, Tom, because they'd always been running around their events. I could never actually say hi. Oh, yeah, he's a busy guy. But, but, but he got started digging them because quarries used to be open to public. And you could go find these strata, you know, layers and get into them.

And, you know, he was a kid. He found, you know, fossils as a kid and stuff. And then as those got shut down because they're a safety risk, right, you could fall in, etc. He had to kind of go out and source his own areas and that's what Mike was saying, how he kind of, you know, hey, you've got land on this place. Well, this is what I want to do here? Can I

rent space? And then what else do you say? He tells people what else he'll pull out of the ground because there's usually other minerals or what are you going to say? Rocks and gems. He'll bring the stones and crystals. That's the rock shop. Tell him what he's got. What do you have on your land?

So it kind of a, I scratch your back, you scratch my back, but it gives him his space to go out and still pursue a very big hobby of his that made him pick up and move his entire life just because he lived in Detroit originally was building Cadillacs

but he was digging trilobites and smile like well you need to go to serpent mound Ohio and he's like what like where okay and you know a lot of people from other places end up there like you'll hear some magnetism to it yeah and there's

that sounds like Shasta in Cal It kind of same thing has a Shasta. Very similar Sedona, Shasta, Surpenton, all have that kind of. People are drawn to it. Yep. Right. We live close enough where we can get there quite. It's about two hours, 15 minutes from, so it's-

Yeah, but it's not a bad drive. It's a pretty quick. It's an all-day adventure because, you know, you can hike down below to the Brush Creek. Underneath Serpent Mound, there's hiking trails, so it's just a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful area. Are there like local regional like cryptids or monsters that are seen in that area? Are there like stories of those? Funny, you just bring this up at Jeffrey Wilson's and Friends of the Serpent Mountain had a summer solstice event this past summer.

And we did a little live stream for them and helped them out. Dusty Ruth. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of Dusty. He's a bigfoot. Bigfoot researcher out of. kind of the Cleveland area, but he spent all summer in Adams County around Serpent Mountain and says there is an active population there. Really? Without of doubt, he started getting reports.

And there's not a lot of populace there. There's not a lot of people there. Yeah. And there's farmland mixed in with, because it is on the arc of the Appalachia. So that area, once you start going more south and west, becomes more and more hilly and can be. pretty wild. I mean, there's some deep, deep valleys. Kind of Locust Grove and it's a little bit more flat, but you've got to get kind of out of the crater. And so in that, it's kind of southern area.

Southeast of that is a lot of forests and river systems and creeks. So he got some casts and some evidence. Oh, cool. And says that, yes, there is, he firmly believes that there is, uh, could be one of those situations where that summer they were passing through. But as far as like, because it is. It's a lot of farmland. And like Justin and Jay were saying from Crypts of the Corn about that area of Ada is probably a migratory path for the Sasquatch that him and his family saw that that guy probably wasn't living in the area, but passing through.

And so maybe serpent mounds, something like that. Yeah, but I don't know. It's going to have to look at that kind of strength to it. Yeah, Dusty Ruth. He's on our short list of Dusty Ruth. Jeremiah, do you have any personal or know anyone that's had any kind of UFO encounters out in Iowa? Is that a common thing out that way? So, well, let's see.

There is a documentary that came out on me. It's very dry where I am right now. There is a documentary that came out that was filmed in the Van Meter area about a few years ago called 1903. And it's a group of investigators that are more into the paranormal. But they actually capture quite a bit of UFO activity around Van Meter, which makes it interesting. I believe you can watch. that documentary on there's a platform called paraflix but uh yeah so there's been UFO activity uh in van meter scene around the same area where the mine which is pretty cool nice um well

the description seems very like interdimensional moth manny almost where it's yeah they're shooting at it and it's this kind of like beam of like out of its yeah it just doesn't seem physical i guess is what i'm saying you know is this thing it seems ufo related yeah extraterrestrial related in some way there's people there's a lot of people that feel that yeah there's also a group of people that are there's also a theory that gets brought up every year at the festival somehow by you just you hear it is well maybe the visitor got into the cave system and then went all the way out to point pleasant and then became the mothman and it's like wow i get it that's going deep that's deep

that is it's fun that is fun that is very hot but the descriptions don't but it is really fun they don't no that's why i thought at first but then i was like this isn't the moth man and that's great that's i don't want it to be the moth man necessarily right like um but some similar qualities we start getting into some categorization or grouping of at least you know similarities and i think that's where maybe people go okay what was that and It's like not really like. Yeah. It doesn't have the same description overall.

Going into the cave system though is interesting just because of the whole Paiute story and about the ammissives going up. Oh my God. Again, I'm sorry I have to bring this up. I feel like every episode, the Hollow, the Hollow Earth comes up. I'm not mad at me. I'm sorry. I was just go.

I was literally just going there. It's journey to the center of the earth, man. It is. Find these weird creatures. They're coming up into and through the mountains. It's a classic. You're telling me he's wrong. And it's it they're coming out being seen.

And then all of a sudden, but they're all being chased back into the mountain. No one ever seen the last time they're seen is down in this system to never be seen again. Right. But think about this. And from the story we talked about just a little bit ago on our strange happening thing. Sorry, I can't get this label off, but I'll just block it. we were talking about that Paiute story and the habit of civs and when they were there

they were seafaring people and then the water went out right and it became Death Valley because there's no water anymore but they knew about the panamints and getting up into the mountains and so they were like hey we know about that we were up in this we watched as the waters receded etc they go how do we know how things played out and where things naturally kind of settled right

and where's a great place to be right a natural stronghold inside a mountain yeah absolutely I mean but these weird creatures maybe are they coming through portals from another dimension

are they actually terrestrial but just live underground and have developed these this weird biology I like to think they're cryptids they follow into the category for me of extremophile so yeah they might live underground and they might have

complex cave and networking systems and politis might find out that you know, the van meter monster and Mothman have been throwing a disco underground and like snatching people out of Yosemite in all the parks for years. Who knows? People always bring up. It's like, well, maybe there's some like hollow earth thing going on under Van Meter. And there's other weird stuff that happens in this town as well.

So I interviewed. Stranger Things. named Rachel from the town. Because I, some episodes of Bigfoot Society, I get real, I'm the only podcast I guess really deep. this cryptic because I love it. Oh, please do. Go for it. I was talking to Rachel, who's a, she lives in the town.

And she was telling me some stories about how, so you don't just have a cryptid dead scene there. You don't just have UFOs that are seen there. You also have legends where supposedly there has been a lady. There was a point a few years back where there was a lady scene walking the streets at night where it was like. She was like a ghostly figure wearing a dress. It was like an old, an old style dress.

And then they kept seeing these figures in the high school of Van Meter as well. So it's like what exactly is happening in this town if you have a cryptic being seen? Portal. You have UFOs being seen. You have haunted poltergeist feature. Like, is there a layline that goes under VanVis? Sure. Who knows?

Like, it's wild, man. There's a lot to. There's a lot to figure it out. Yeah. Right. For sure. That's that whole whatever's in front of us type trap we fall in. Well, there couldn't be that under us.

Okay, well, we know the mammoth cave system from Kentucky goes, what, 400 some miles up to the east coast of the U.S.? Like it, our cave system is pretty broad and expansive. And to your point of the whole, those spaces like that and the ground above them, you know, look at the cave systems where they sit and where our national parks are. Oh yeah. I always think they're like a big cryptid zoo, like a big preserve. Like, hey, we're going to need space for them. And this is how they're trained. Yeah, this is move around.

Like I said, stranger things, soft disclosure, a little front running. Honeycomb Earth, man. I'm telling you, man. It's cryptids. For sure, man. All that shit's connected, dude. It has to be. Dude.

In some way. I mean. Or it's calling it into existence in that certain way. Mm-hmm. That's the other scary thing. Yeah. Yeah. So I listened to a, I think it was a higher side chats the other day,

and I can't remember the guest name of the guy that was on, but he was talking about two different rain dances being done to call in rain by these two different shamans or Native Americans. And the one does his rain dance and nothing happens. And the next guy does his, and of course it rains. And it rains for like three or four days. And he's like, how the hell did you do that? Right.

And so he started talking about it. And the guy was like, Well, I don't, you don't pray for rain. Rain already exists. So if you're calling to the powers out in the ether, you don't say, I need rain. They go, rain's there. So he goes, you become rain praying to rain. You pray to it.

Whoa. You don't ask for it. It's already there, right? And so. Yeah. And so this guy that asked him that was like, oh, you know, I, he's telling him on the podcast. He's telling Carl what he's like, yeah, so I go, you know, I pick blueberries every year and this and that.

I usually bring an offering to the woods and like thank them for the blueberries and this and that. And he goes, the next time you do that, go be a blueberry thanking the blueberries. And the guy's like, this is fucking bananas. He's like, all right, whatever, I'm going to go do it. So he does it. He goes, I've never had a better yield. He's like, those blueberries were insane the next year. It's just like the way that we think about things, right?

Like the way that we go about like, you don't ask for it. It's already an existence. You don't, you know, you pray. to it from that perspective of it. You know, you get that, I don't know. I mean, it's very meta and very deep. And maybe it takes a lot of meditation and practice, but it is an interesting concept. Yeah, like, you know, you can't bring it into existence.

It already exists type thing I think was where I kind of just, yeah, it stumped me for a minute. I was like, oh, that's really interesting. Yeah. Like Ramda says, you can't want anything because you already have it all. Right. Right. I am curious what you guys think all those pilots are seeing up in the skies. What is being seen up?

Do you want to take that one? I know that's a question. I have so many good accounts of, I think, is the Japanese airlines coming into Alaska with the UFO that was playing chicken with them. You know, and going from their altitude to above them, I don't know how many thousands or hundreds of, of thousands of feet to very low. And I mean, again, it's kind of how I got drawn back into Sasquatch. I was not a big believer in Sasquatch for a long time. And I started listening to a lot of episodes of hearing people in the woods that are hunters. And that's all they do. They're looking to hunt, right? So if they come back and again. All right, quick quiz for the hiring

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So you don't generally come out and say anything about it unless you're just kind of like, you know what? I don't know what other recourse I have here. Like, I just have to because it's the truth. Right. So that's what I think percolates up or bubbles up from these people that get on these shows and start telling their stories is that it's such a real encounter that they don't know what else to do with it. But they got to tell somebody. That's great because. you're not alone.

I'm sure there's other people that are having similar encounters, right? The pilots are the best example. Yeah, you're trained. The pilots with the UFOs exactly like... The Tick-Tac and the David Fravers and David Fravor and all those guys. Oh, yeah. I said that's

a slow walkback Roswell style they're trying to do now. But now they are. I know. I think 2023, it's a dam that's just going to break wide open. Yeah. Eventually, it will break hard. It's going to break hard. You know, those technologies, the

problem is, they're going to have to admit that those technologies are here and, you know, if it is a mixture, it's a brand new game of, and they knew about it, and we've been reverse engineering this, and let's say a percentage of them are

really advanced black op crafts, which I think to be the case, or some sort of advanced... Or breakaway society or the, yeah, the... Some kind of advance. Hours would be that are taking their new Ferrari of the sky out. And they're just trying to freak us out with some kind of hologram.

Maybe it's the X-Files and Project Blue Book, or not Project Blue Beam of leading us. I don't know if you're familiar with that concept or watched a lot of X-Files, but that was a very big show for me growing up. And the entire concept of the smoking man and how kind of all this misdirection is to, yes, there are extraterrestrials, et cetera, but what we're doing is we're manufacturing this to tell you about them so we can engineer the world to kind of be this unified as we go out and greet right does that make sense because like that's wild that's right so there's this whole kind of like england australia we're all nations but if you're going to go

meet a population of etes right you come together as the world well and also then it was to weaponize you would hopefully yeah to weaponize the threat of extraterrestrial to that was also the other part of it was to say hey we need it is the whole Ronald Reagan we need globalization the new world order remember Ronald Reagan statement the whole if you know if we knew about UFOs tomorrow how quickly we'd all you know yes get on the same page and we'd all realize how tiny we would be high five and everyone yeah yeah yeah yeah instantly we got a band together yeah instantly so it's interesting it makes you you know I've heard a lot of the different conspiracies and accounts of you know meeting

at I think it's Edwards Air Force Base in California with Eisenhower and the treaty with the grays and the EBEs and the exchange of human DNA for that and research. I mean, it's, you know, I don't know. There's just so much out there anymore. It's like I keep paying attention, but do I have a solid yes or no on it? I don't. I mean, but as far as what we're seeing right now, the escalation of how many sightings and the different. shapes and sizes. I feel like there's just something,

as far as just the sheer volume of sightings, something's going on. Russia's shooting down a UFO or apparently they tried to. All the UFOs over in Ukraine that those stories, the ton of stories do. There's a ton going on right now. I did not know that. This was back more like a few months ago.

There were like continuous stories coming out of that area of like stuff being seeing the sky. and just like like what is that yeah they're like good stuff coming to warn us you know hey we're here or they're waiting to see somebody shoot off a nuclear bomb so they can disarm it midair with some laser beams right i don't honestly but i don't think we'll ever see a nuclear device detonated that way again oh i hope not but wait i mean i don't think if they're yeah go ahead sorry jeremiah go ahead how many times the uh like the missiles have been disarmed at a nuclear site right oh flying around like that is just like really mac what is going on just but

my favorite theory is like it's uh it's us from the future time traveling back to man period sure i was gonna say sure and we're the babies right i was gonna say we're the babies and they're like damn kids we can't give you anything how we're going to give you limitless power and knowledge like exactly it's gonna kill yourselves so i'm but it also you know the whole time traveling thought the whole Randall Shem Forrest from the future Right Randallsen Forrest incident where the guy was like They're time traveling so what if it's like

They're monitoring us to make sure that we Make it so that they make it type thing Make sure we're on the right time right We're not shifting time like Loki I mean it's yeah Because we probably keep messing it up through the whole Mandela stuff Like wouldn't that be awesome if we kept like Messing it up and they kept having to come back to like course correct things What if a real life video game for them?

What if that's what CERN was doing? CERN is throwing us on these timelines and we're ripping open space time and all of a sudden we're just and that's why you're getting all these mandala effects and then craft, weird crafts, different shapes are constantly coming through as this veil is extremely thin because we're just literally making many black holes every time we're colliding particles. And that's why Cryptids Dogman

The weird things happening out on You know Skinwalker Ranch It goes on and on I was watching a video the other day Of a You know the Oculus and all that You can put on the AR set

Well now they have it where you put that on And you're like standing on like bikini atoll And you hear this countdown Yes this one yeah Nine Eight And then a nuclear your bomb sets off, like miles away.

And when that shockwave hits and then everything around you just looks like it's burning and probably will be soon. Yeah. You don't think if there's a superior intellect being out there, they're seeing this from, they're like, what the hell is that, Jeff? We need to get down there. You see what they're doing? Like, what? They're wrong with these guys. They're on a good path.

and now they're using it to blow themselves up. It's like Joe Rogan with the hammer, you know. They're messing it up, dude. Yeah, you can use a hammer to build a shed or you can hit yourself in the, you know, balls with it. You know, it's how you use it is up to you. It's a good point. Yeah.

God, it's fun. Oh, my goodness. But yeah, it's just wild to think that we're not alone and know that we probably aren't as much as we think we are. And it's just, I think one day that'll be just the men in black, aha moment of Will Smith going into work. Like, oh, yeah, of course.

course there's aliens. Like, you know, just maybe one, maybe that is that, like, Cliff. Like, we've been running it for so long saying it doesn't exist. And one day, we're just going to wake up tomorrow. And next thing you know, they're like, yep, it's all real and everybody will be cool with it. I think that might be this year. I mean, I would not be shocked. I'm really that this kind of slow release since 2017 is kind of when it started with the New York Times article.

Yeah. That right before Thanksgiving, not many people. Bob Lazar's back. incredible again. Don't Bob Lizar, let's go. Right. His, yeah. His story over time

gets more and more credible. Well, because it never changes, really. That he says start to come out as yes. We have created uranium 130, the particle. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

He's like the David Ike of Uphology. He says all these things where he's like, man, this guy just sounds so out to lunch. And then 20, 30 years later, you're like, you feel bad for thinking how insane some of the things sounded. Yeah. I remember reading the biggest secret going,

this is like fiction. This is great fiction. I mean, this guy is like just drawing it all together. Like, it's real. And then you start watching it. You're going, oh, it's how? What is this, Nostradamus? It's just really wild.

But it's also kind of interesting to know that as apparent as it seems sometimes and maybe later on is correlated, there are also the people that you could tell until you're blue in the face, and they're like, oh, no, that can't be. No, there's no way there's a Sasquatch. There's no way there's a UFOs. There's no way any of this, right? Like, the guy that moved out of Tom's house

probably just didn't want to believe it. It was happening right in front of him. He's seeing it happen, but it's against his religion, so he's out of there. Baptist minister. So, yeah, I don't have anything clouding me in that way, right? Like, I don't have anything that says you can't believe in this or can't believe in that, but also following evidence as much as possible, right? So when you guys were taking your, you've taken these trips all over the place, right?

You've gone on these strange roads all over the place. Have there been times where something you've just either stumbled upon something or you had a situation where you just got freaked out? And you're like, I don't know what's going on right now, but I want to get out of it. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't gone public with some of those a little bit more. We're trying to find a way to work some of, I can be kind of bare, I guess, basic with it. There's a property.

Whatever you want to share. Yeah, there's a property here in Ohio that has basically white bison that were moved from California. California. It's a herd of white buffalo that were brought to Ohio. And essentially, our friend had kind of helped with the acquisition of the land and got different, this investor involved and brought this herd right to Ohio, the hills. And through a series of events and different experiences that are just very, very odd and kind of lined up. Yeah. With it being important, we'll say, to history, it could possibly have a mound and a temple on it on the property. And the fact that these bison and this herd are on this particular property. And some of the things that we think may or may not be on this property and buried potentially artifacts, potentially, it's a large piece of land. and it's just been a little frustrating because we've been on a little bit of a dead end with it

and really trying to get ourselves back out there to kind of keep this mystery alive for me at least. I won't let it go. It's like being halfway through a Hardy Boys. Yeah. You know, you don't. You hate to be on the cliffhanger of it. And really, I think from Mike and Kyle's perspective, coming from the vantage point of how we got to hear we're doing.

this in general, right? Like, yeah. I don't do this so that somebody's like, oh, that's great, you're cool. I do it, so I get to talk to you. So I get to talk to Tom, so I get, I just love these conversations, right? And that's what I want to be dropped into. And so that's why I get jazzed up about it is because I know the intent and the direction that both of these guys come from and again, where we came from to get here at this point.

And so it's more of just knowing the added, uh, amplification whether that it doesn't have to be even like in notoriety or people knowing about it but how can we help this get this message out in whatever fashion that is right so I think that's where I know Mikey gets yeah you're like halfway through the mystery right yeah it's tough to be that yeah stuck in the middle and in serpent mountains similar like we've had experiences out there that are just like unbelievable and that's why I kind of keep going back to there and just sensing that it's like changing my consciousness,

that it actually is a machine for elevating your higher self and your higher purpose. And I've used it to through, you know, getting to know myself, I found my biological family a few years back. Yeah, it's like an activator, right? It totally turns you on and turns you up and gets people moving. You know, I found out I had four brothers and sisters that I never knew I had. I found my biological mother, found out their family history, that they actually had a house that went back to the Revolutionary War in Adams County, right down the road from Serpent Mound. So here's some of the strange road.

So that's part of that, like, the road to get to what I'm doing, what we're doing now was a lot of, like, figuring out who the hell I was and how I fit in with the fact that I landed in this small town. You should... Grew up with you. You should tell them the story. You told me just the other day about if you want to, shooting at Ross's house. When he was like, oh, yeah, I just wanted to ask you, who is the lady? Oh, yeah, I could share this story. This is kind of cool.

This had me going pretty good. I was like, I've never heard this. But again, Ross is a part of this journey, this strange... Ross Hamilton. Ross Hamilton. If you know Ross Hamilton, you asked about giants earlier, Jeremiah. Yeah. If you want some pretty good insight on that, Mike, you can probably...

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Yeah, tell me your story. A lot of guys that have written Giants books kind of give props to him as an inspiration, or even bring him in to write the preface of their books. If you're into it, eventually you find him and meet him. So that was kind of, I saw him and Jeffrey Wilson speak at one of Terry and Tom's events, Serpent Mountain Star Knowledge, years back and introduced myself. And we had the chance to interview him like a year and a half ago. And we showed up to his house with a bunch of gear, cameras, lights. And it was myself, Stoner and our buddy, Sam, Sam Thompson, shout out to Sammy. Sam, what's up? And Ross is, you know, just a kind of open, in-tune guy has had multiple different types of

lives, was in a psychedelic rock band back in the day. And at one point was, had a guru in India and had gone through kind of this spiritual training. Yeah. And that's kind of how he got led into the earthwork. in the spirituality and trying to figure out the Archaeo astronomy and the religion of what ancient people in Ohio were doing because what he had learned about ancient India and other cultures, he was seeing all these things pop up here in Ohio. So he just went down a rabbit hole and had written books on serpent mound and a book called The Tall Ones, which is about this, you know, ancient race of John. Giants that ruled in Ohio and had very advanced technology and farming. And so we got to interview him and kind of wrapped up the shoot, had a great time, spent all day with him. And then Christmas Eve, so my adopted mother, my adoptive, which is my mom,

passed away, like, almost eight, nine years ago now. And so. No. I'm sorry. I just know because it was my 30th birthday, I think. Well, Shanti, my daughter just turned nine. So that was when she was born 10 days later. So eight years.

It's been a while. So we leave, and on New Year's Christmas Eve, I get a text from Ross. Hey, you know, I was just curious, out of the blue, just curious about the woman that was with you guys that day for the shoot. You know, give me a call back sometime. I just, I just felt like, you know, that was just wondering who she was. I'm like, there was no woman with us at all. And my mother passed away on the day after Christmas, which would have been like four years before that. And so I said, hey, do you care if I give you a buzz real quick?

And I call. I said, hey, Ross. And he says, yeah, you know, there's this woman with you. you guys and she was just looking at you and she was just so happy what you were doing and was just beaming and looking at me and looking at you and she was just so proud of you and I said there was no woman on our production there was no one on our crew and he says oh okay well you know I thought it was kind of weird because she had light coming out of her hands and kind of behind her and I just thought that was kind of strange.

And I said, well, Ross, I think you met my mom. He's like, now, okay, now, you know, that makes sense. Okay. Because she was so happy. And I said, well, you're a big part of, you know, she knew how much that I wanted to meet you and do this interview. So. Oh, wow. She was definitely going, oh, my gosh, this is amazing.

That is cool. And that was even wild. My wife was the next step. like, hey, you should just stop by Mike and his parents. I'm like, no, they're ever Christmas, you know. And my wife's like, no, we should go. And then we stop over there. And the next day, we were driving back to Columbus.

And I got a text from Mike. And he's like, hey, he's like, she just passed. I was like, what? Like, you know, just one of those weird, again, synchronicities of timing of. But, you know, it's just strange. He was, he was a personal, just a quick message to me. It wasn't like him trying to push. any of that he honestly

just wanted to know who the person was in his house and thought it was odd that there was this light. I'd be like by the way there was a lady with glowing hands and can we talk about it? But I just got chills immediately and was it's just kind of fantastic story kind of freaked out. It's amazing. Right?

Yeah, Mikey's got a little bit of magnetism too. Like he pulls in kind of he is he doesn't know it but he has kind of created the strange road beyond his awareness, right? Because he does pull in such unique personalities.

And, you know, before I had any idea who Ross Hamilton was or Tom Johnson or Jeff Wilson, Mike did, right? Like, he was like, hey, I just met this guy and he told me this and this. I'm like, wait, what? You know, 100 miles an hour. And it's just he's built up such a knowledge base over the years from doing all of this that, I mean, I have my own experience with what I've, you know, looked into in research. But Mike, he's got his own kind of aspect.

too. So kind of combining, yeah, we have overlapping and some, you know, personal interest, but I think that's kind of been the blend. We also get a lot of influence from Kyle and his, you know, curiosities as well. And, you know, from people that send in a comment, hey, what do you think about this? Ask about that. Cool. That's great. I didn't know about that. That's awesome. Put it on my radar, you know. Like said, there's a lot to try to pay attention to and keep track of that, it can get very overwhelming. And I don't want to get siloed into just looking at one aspect. And, you know, it sounds like you don't either.

You're like, you know, Van Meter Monster, Bigfoot, we talk about Moth Man. You can get into the Loveland Frogman. You know what I mean? Like, there's such a broad expanse to look at. Never had a cryptic experience. I haven't either. That's one thing I hope. what's fun about it for me is you know you get a comment or someone sends you an email and then that just sends you down a crazy rabbit trail and like you know i've read a line in one of david weatherly's books about iowa cryptids about this thing called the iowa bigfoot information center and then i was like wait what's this i've never heard there is no one well that's the thing so i looked and i couldn't

find anything about it on the internet it sent me on this like four-month like crazy putting stuff up on walls with red lines and like figuring it out charlie um yeah it's exactly like the meme that's that's what i was trying to reference so pretty much what it ended up being was there were the all these bigfoot sightings in the late 70s and i found this out through through a lot of reading newspaper articles through that. Right. From that time, but pretty much the Iowa Bigfoot Information Center was a group of gentlemen in their 20s that were taking all the Bigfoot reports,

and they would meet in this guy's garage. So it wasn't, but they were trying to raise money to create it and never got made but the crazy thing about it is that and I'm really summarizing it and give if you want to hear the whole story I have an episode about it on big for society cool yeah I end up absolutely the two main guys that headed up turns out one of them lived really close to me but I never knew he was there and then he had passed the year before so that I'm looking on his online obituary page and as I'm about to totally like give up I look at it again

and the other guy has just commented on the page the co-owner or the co-owner of the research back in the late 70s so this guy is still alive and I'm like holy mackerel I got to wow you got to do it yeah because he's like almost 90 years old and like he could be gone soon

right so it turned into this crazy like Googling everywhere and like leaving random phone messages on people's machines that I could find public record and eventually he called me back and he's like that's great who are you I haven't talked about Bigfoot in 50 years and this guy from Iowa is like hey you're doing this and you talk to this guy and took this blown me up in the late 70s it became the Lockridge monster of Lockridge Iowa and it's a really big deal. And like, what's the Iowa Bigfoot Information Center? He's like, dude, you got it.

Like, like, this pumped the jets a little bit. Wow. And he's like, okay, I just want to make sure you're cool. And like, let's talk about it. And so we had a great conversation about what it really was. And like, I found out all this information about that wasn't on the internet about this time period from a main source that was actually there. And now he's almost in his 90s. That's really cool.

And that I ended up presenting about it at the Van Meter Visitor Festival that later that year. So that's cool. The recording of that is in an episode of Bigfoot Society. But like, that's a good example of a time where you can really go deep into some of this stuff. And yeah. But man, you just go after it. And it's so much fun. Like, that's what I love is just going after stuff and figuring it out, you know.

Yeah. Put the puzzle together. Yeah. absolutely. That's really cool. Absolutely. I love that he's like, who the heck are you? Who are you, young man? How did you get my number? And what do you? I haven't talked about Bigfoot in 40, 50 years. Dude, good for you. That's like a piece of history that you just brought to the world.

It is. Yeah. And someday someone will go back and because of you, they're going to know about this story. Yeah. So I mean, that right there has to fulfill your soul. That alone, to keep doing what you're doing. It really does. And I can't wait until I'm like almost 90 and some guy tracks me down. It's like, who used to talking dudes about Bigfoot? All right, dude. Yeah.

That's funny. Hey, I'll be that. Hey, you're that dude that won't shut the hell up about mounds. Hey, they'll come knocking. One day. Yeah, they will, dude. They will. They'll drop out of their.

That's awesome. VR, VR reality, whatever it is. Oh, God. I don't think about what it's going to be like, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, everything accelerates so much quicker than it ever did before, and it's only going to keep doing that. It's like computing power, right?

Like processing power just gets better and better and better and better. So by extension, we get better and better gear and tech. But it's wild. It's a fine line to walk of getting lost with it. We haven't discovered the spiritual technology. That I think is the sound the have you seen this stuff with mushrooms and there's a lot there's a lot there in and creating batteries. No to speakers and like the mushrooms and how they send signals through that's okay turns into sound waves and it's amazing. Yeah I mean there's a lot of you know really interesting research and both the psychedelic and the just mycological study of mushrooms in general.

going on. And I think we are, maybe you're right, Mike, maybe 2023 it happens because we are seeing a lot of never thought I would see in my lifetimes of psychedelic research, marijuana legalization, not broadly, but, you know, again, these things gaining traction that used to be, Michigan's legal now for psychedelics. You can't think that far out of the box, right?

Like, you can't go that far. Like, yeah, and even psychedelic mushrooms being legalized in certain states. Oakland, Oregon. Oregon. Right, totally. decriminalized. So I think you're seeing some really big, shocking movements in just that landscape alone of, like Hancock always says, like, they're policing the ability for you to elevate your consciousness. Like, what the hell's that about? Like, it's, it's, it's really funny because,

um, yeah, I think, uh, the minds are. All right, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there. What's worse? Being understaffed or being poorly staffed? Well, that's a trick question, because both are recipes for chaos. Either way, just say to yourself, this is a job for Indeed's sponsored jobs. You'll get matched with candidates that meet the skills, certifications, and everything else you're looking for. Or go a different way and get no traction. Seriously, sponsored jobs posted directly on Indeed are 95% more likely to report a hire than non-sponsored jobs. It really is a no-brainer. Spend less time searching and more time actually interviewing candidates who check all your boxes. Less stress, less time. More risk. Less time. More

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Psychedelics are going to be. DMT realm, whatever. That's the microscope. That's the instrument. The DMT elves. That's the instrument for the mind and consciousnesses. Those are technologies. That's what I say.

I call it. Find one of those studies and sign up for it that Strasman or whoever does that puts it on where they were doing at one point. You could sign up for these DMT experiments and they were doing like intravenous administration of certain doses of just like, I mean, you're being monitored, right? And there's no, like, medical ill health effects, right? But you better have somebody there when you let go of reality. Well, it changes. And nurse practitioners were there.

No, yeah, I know. There's a full staff. Don't get me wrong. But I'm saying, like, that you're going to need it for, I mean, I would think you'd need be strapped to the chair or to the bed. You need to be comfortable. Put it that way. Because aren't they trying to, they're trying to, they're trying to,

like map the realm that everyone the DMT realm yeah right yeah and they're doing a pretty good job of it with the fractals wild man and the the fractal video receptors for it you know you know those fractal videos that keep going deeper and oh yeah yeah that keep kind of digging down and zoom in endlessly like infinity it's like a mandelbrot set are you familiar with those at all jeremiah

absolutely not no um god it was it The guy that wrote Arthur C. Clark, I believe so. And this is back in the day when they had to bring it by satellite, I think. It was like him and Carl Sagan

and Stephen Hawking. And he ran a computer program on his computer. And if you want to look at some, you could go on YouTube and type it in. Mandelbrot, M-A-N-D-E-L-B-R-O-T. Mandel-B-R-O-T.

It's a mathematical data-point set that infinitely loops and keeps, it's kind of like the whole tool that like the Fibonacci sequence of life with plants and how it'll be a leaf and then two and then three

and then four and then how it keeps replicating out but it's these fractal patterns but it is something that yeah just kind of connects with that whole DMT world of maybe it's just a higher mathematics than we currently can understand

of what our brain can do type thing right like wow we can really She actually connects to that. Wow. I mean, it's wild. But yeah, if you check it out, Arthur C. Clark and Mantlebrot sets is great. Blowing my mind.

I don't know, man. Mine's blown after this one. I was about saying, I think I'm thoroughly blown. Van Meter Monster. That's, I, oh, it's, guys. I've never gotten a real clear story. So thank you. Yeah.

So much for, yeah. But you're sharing that. It's a van meter visitor. Van Meter visitor. Van Meter visitor. I'm sorry. You got it. You're right.

You're right. So many monsters. So many. I know. Band meter visitor. It's like I'll never mess it up again. Van meter. I will never mess that up again.

VV. It's like Circleville, Ohio. VMV. And say, I'm here for the Pumpkin Fest. People know that you're not from Circleville, Ohio. If you show up and say, I'm here for the pumpkin show.

Yeah. They know you're from there. Yep. Exactly. Then you're legit. Van Meter visitor. And you know, I have seen the T-shirts and,

in stickers of the van meter visitor and we saw a bunch at crypticon but i never really got like it's super super popular like the flatwoods monster lovelin frog oh yeah yeah yeah meter visitor is was in a lot of artwork so uh sherman i mean something like he's talking about it dude yep yeah dude absolutely i think you're the catalyst you may be one of the yeah yeah i'm serious i don't doubt it at all because I know you've been a speaker at conferences, other conferences where you've been invited to speak just on the band meter visitor. That's awesome. So far, yeah, so far the main one has been just at the festival, but I do get to do the podcast live at Seth Breedlove's. That's what I was thinking.

Oh, cool. In June, which that's going to be fun. I'm looking forward to that. That's cool. Where is that at? That's in Canton, Ohio. Canton, Ohio. Yeah.

Okay. That brings up, Jeremiah, is there anything you want to sign off with, anything you want to promote? Yeah. Is there any thing? What do you got going on and coming up? You're going to be speaking. So cool stuff. Well, the main area you can go to get, like, where my stuff is or listen to Bigfoot Society if you want, you know, check it out.

You can go to Bigfoot Society podcast.com. All the links are there. You can find Bigfoot Society as a podcast on most platforms like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, all that good stuff. Check it out. I'm on all the different social media platforms. If you're on TikTok, follow me there. Get involved. There's a lot of crazy stuff going on, Bigfoot Dot Society.

But yeah, next thing I have on my schedule is Monster Fest coming up. Canton, Ohio with being put on by Small Town Monsters. It's early June, so make sure you get your ticket for that. I'll also be at the Van Meter Visitor Festival in Van Meter, Iowa, September 30th of this year. And yeah, maybe some other stuff, but those are the things I have planned. So my listeners, make sure that you check out the Strange Road, subscribe to their YouTube, and I'll have all the links in the show notes for this episode. Make sure you are listening and watching these guys because they're going places.

Oh, man. Thank you. Thanks, appreciate that. I feel like it's reciprocated on the other side more. And we feel the same about you, dude. You are absolutely crushing it. Hitting it and getting after it.

We look at you for what you're doing as inspiration for where we want to take our next level. and steps. But all of Jeremiah's social media links are copied in our description of this stream. And we'll be when the audio version comes out, you'll be seeing me tweet now his stuff on Twitter. So if you follow me or follow The Strange Road on Twitter, I will be reposting his stuff as well because, again, just trying to amplify that reach. And there's going to be people that want to read it if I want to read it, right? Absolutely. And for Jeremiah's listeners, you can follow us on all social media platforms at the Strange Road.

Instagram, Bub underscore Randly, Bob Ranley on Twitter. Mikey Leesner on Instagram. And then we have a Facebook group coming out. So keep an eye out for that. We definitely have drawn some inspiration from your Facebook group, Crypts of the Corn's Facebook group. So we feel like that's a great way for reaching out. Yeah, you can also follow Kyle on Instagram. Yep.

Kyle Stonerd on Insta. He does some rad stuff. Yep. He does some very cool stuff. Kyle does some incredible photography and many RC car videos. Mini R.C. truck. Oh, like that's, yeah, like four-wheel drive road. And it's pretty cool.

And now I keep seeing him in my Insta feed. Mike is a Mike and Kyle have unleashed me on Instagram. and I'm going wild with it, so I've had to rain it in. But yeah, that's where you can find us on social media. And if you go on and listen to us on Spotify, Apple, Google Podcasts, wherever. All those places. Please leave us a message, comment, hit the like button, what have you. Leave a review, please, or a five-star if you can.

And we appreciate everybody watching us. And you can't thank Jeremiah enough for coming on tonight. And everybody that was watching live at home or in the chat, if Kyle was hitting you back up on the keys back there, I hope you guys had fun. Mikey, what do you got? Yeah, I just want to, again, Jeremiah, thank you so much. This has been such a rad conversation.

We appreciate your time and giving us the nod. And, man, we'll stay in touch. Yeah, yeah. And keep in contact. Keep following everything you're doing. And I think. Maybe we get a Bigfoot research organization going out sometime. We go on a collaborative camp out.

Yes, absolutely. Meet somewhere in the middle. Yeah, let us know. We will, we have cameras. We can bring cameras. Yeah, we have a little. You got to set up. We've got some cameras.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Hot mic, hot mic. We'll put one on throughout the night. We'll catch it. We're going to get it. Nice. But you see me running? I saw something.

That's right. You're out of there. See me booking? I saw something. God. Well, that's it for us, guys. Yeah. Thank you for everybody that's watching at home.

home, we will be back for more awesome episodes and more stuff. We've got more coming. Keep following Jeremiah. Absolutely. See you, Jeremiah. See you, dudes. See you, buddy. Thank you for listening to Bigfoot Society.

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