Bigfoot Society - Shawnee Woman Reveals Southeast Ohio Bigfoot Encounter That Will Change Your Beliefs

Episode Date: November 28, 2025

In this powerful episode of Bigfoot Society, Shawnee elder Donna Copas shares her lifelong encounters with the mysterious beings her people call “the Watchers.” From deep in Southeast Ohio, Donna describes sightings dating back to the 1930s, generational knowledge passed down through her family, and chilling modern interactions that challenge everything we think we know about the forests.Donna reveals her first encounter at age six, her father’s and grandmother’s experiences, ancient Shawnee traditions, gifting practices, emotional connections with the Watchers, and the shocking night something violently tore through her farm. She also describes a terrifying run-in with a creature resembling a Dogman, the growing tension caused by logging on sacred land, and why sightings in Ohio are increasing.If you’re interested in Bigfoot encounters, Native American perspectives, cryptids, Dogman sightings, Ohio Bigfoot hotspots, indigenous lore, or unexplained forest phenomena, this episode delivers one of the most detailed eyewitness accounts ever recorded.🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Donna Copus today from down there in the great state of Ohio. And welcome to the show, Donna.

How are you doing today, ma'am? Doing pretty good. Thank you so much for having me. Absolutely. A little background about how we got connected. Donna had heard my episode where I talked to Mr. Brian Sawyer. And then after that, there was a connection that was made. And then here we are today.

Donna's wanting to share some things that she has experienced over the years. Welcome to the show, of course. And anything else that you would want to share for background before we get started today, Donna. I guess just I'm a Shawnee descent. I lived in the country my whole life. My dad was a hunter, trapper, Doug Roots. He was born in a little cabin back actually in the woods. That's silly as that sounds. But he was born in 1927. So his home was actually a cabin deep in the woods. And he grew up hunting and fishing. And that was their way of life. They grew everything that they needed. And then I proceeded from there. I was on. a 300-acre farm that basically provided everything we needed. We had the orchards. We had 11 acres of berries. The animals, the cattle, the pigs, chickens, everything we needed came from the farm.

So that's how I grew up. And then I left that home from the home that for my children. And it's another big farm. I've always been in the country. And I'm still deep in the country and in the woods. And then, like I said, I'm Shawnee. So the watchers have, I don't call them Bigfoot or Sasquatch. I call them the watchers.

That's far away. And that's how my story begins. Would it be something where you would want to share your name that's attached to your Shawnee heritage as well? Totally up to you. Absolutely. I am Wabi, Yappia, Tamponia. I am the White Wolf woman. And as my grandmother called me the DreamW.

the dream walkers. I walked in my sleeves, so she always saw I walk between the worlds. And how I, my dad also interacted with the watchers, as my grandmother did. This is generation to generation. It's not, it wasn't uncommon for us. And the first time I saw the watchers, I was six years old. And there was a county fair in town and dad had his rules. I was always taking care of to get me home. But if you wanted something, you had to be. You responsible, we had to work for so much of that money or for what you wanted, you had to be productive. So, like I said, my dad was a hunter, a trapper. He dug roots, every kind of roots, and we would ship them at the end of the year.

That was part of our income. On this day, the fair had been there, and I loved the fair. I wanted to, that was one of my big things. And the pony cart races, I love those. So dad's, okay, I'll take, you know, I'll take out and you can, you can dig roots. And that was going to be my money for the fair. And that morning, I was all excited and I'm running around like crazy, getting all the chores done because I had to feed the chickens and get the calves feed. I had bottle calves. You need to feed them with a bottle. And so I hurried

around because I didn't want to, I didn't want to be bad and not get to go. And when I got down to feed the chicken, we had an old set in hand that was meaner. Oh, my gosh, she just picked pieces out of you. And so I skirt her down around her. I got everything done, got the eggs gathered, and grabbed my feet sacks, and the Matic. And so Matic and he did the Bruce Swift. And I headed back to Died, Pearl Died. He was still at the breakfast table.

He was drinking his last of his coffee. And I was like, a kid had been all excited. I was like, I want to go and go. So finally, he just gave up, but he always gave him to him honestly. I was terribly full. And so I always had real, really long hair. and my grandma would braid it real tight. He ruffled my hair up and his ball now.

Come on, we'll go. So we went deep back into the woods, and we got back here and it's a big patchy yellow root. That's what we was going to dig that day. It's golden sealed, but we call it yellow roots. And you have to separate the roots from the tops. I did most of the digging. I dug some, but mostly I just cleaned it.

I separated, and roots went in one bag and tops in the other because they sold separate. it. And we've been doing that for a good long time. And then finally, Dad's, dad chewed tobacco, but we raised tobacco. We had acreage on the farm. And he would go to the barn and get the long green, and he would chew that. He wore bibs. So he went over. He took his tobacco out, and he got up and walked over. There's a stump close by, and he laid down on that stump. And then he's, now, come on, we're going to go. Of course, I'm grumbling, and I don't want to go, because he's, this is my money for the fair and I'm going to make sure I got enough.

And he said, come on. I said, we're going to go. And I knew when he said the tone changed. So you knew that was it. You're going to go. And I got up and still going to dig my toe in the dirt. And pulling his hand, he took my hand across the city. He's like, I said, come on. And as we walked away, I turned around and I look back. And there's right, no more than 30 feet from where we were sat and digging, it's huge. black figure stood up. And he took that tobacco.

And, of course, he scared me in death. I'd never seen him before. And he took that and he just headed back up through the cliffs, just walking up through the renunciar on those convene. Of course, I'm scared, and that's neck. Come on now. He said, he won't bother you if you don't bother him. Come on, let's go.

And that was my first experience with the watchers. And I believe that was my introduction from that. to show me and teach me because from then on I got taught the ways and respect and how to deal with them and their markers and all the things that they did. And I grew up with them being part of my life and I was part of theirs. So that was my first experience and it continued and it still does to this day. I still have interactions with them. I grew up on that farm with them being there.

and do my life on my farm. Our farms are more than six miles apart from each other, so we were fairly close. And the whole area is just woods. And we got fields, but I grew up planting the woods. That was my thing, is run to the barn and jump on the pony, go to the woods. I could run and play.

Back then, nobody bothered you, and you were saved. And the woods were our playground. And so that's how my life began. Wow, Don, I have some questions for you right off the bat. I know we're just getting into it. So this area we're talking about right now where this interaction happened, this is Southeast Ohio, right? Right. Gotcha.

Is it a thing where we are, we're leaving it, we're leaving the location a little vague as we'll just say southeast Ohio. Right. That's our comfort level. Okay, very good. Right. Now, about this interaction, was the tobacco? Do you think the tobacco was left there as a gift, or was it something where your father had just left it there,

and then the watchers swooped in and pretty much took it and then left? No, it was a gift because we do gifting, and the tobacco was a big part. Of course, tobacco and Native American ceremony is a big combination. Of course, the smudges, the sage, sweet grass, cedar, the ghost berries, and tobacco is a big part. And so a tobacco offering is a sign of respect. And that's, dad would do that. And of course, my grandmother, she makes, or she made, I'm sorry, she passed away, but

homemade apple cakes. This is cake, it's homemade cake, and you cook the apples and it's put into there. And then the icing for the cake is like you make homemade applesauce. So it's basically very sweet. in a very huge pan, but it's our offerings. There's other things we do. It's not just those two things, but that was that's offering that day. Very interesting.

Was the tobacco packaged in any certain way when it was left as a gift to the watcher? No, because we, like I said, we grew tobacco. So when you cut the tobacco, I don't know if you know anything about tobacco farming or not, But when you cut your tobacco, you cut the stocks, and then you spear it onto the tobacco sticks, and you hang it in the barn where it dries. And then it's taken down and stripped into three different grades for selling. And so Dad would always save some of that because he chewed tobacco. He never smoked ever, but he would chew tobacco.

And the long green, that's what we call it, because the leaves on the tobacco plants are long green. And so, no, he would just go out and pick the leaves off. He'd fold them and twist them. He'd fold them down and then do a twist. And that was just chewing tobacco. And it's very bitter. I'll be honest. It's not like the store bought tobacco that you bought.

It's different because they process it when they sell it in the stores. This wasn't processed. This is straight, long green from field to barn. That's so interesting. This comes up a lot in recent, more modern day interviews where people are still doing gifting fashion. Usually it's packet in some sort of, I guess it's not given in the same way that you would be doing unprocessed because it's more like in a little bag, I think. Anyways, this is very interesting. It literally picked up the folded over leaves and then just walked off into the woods with them. Yeah. Okay. I want to say, like I said, I think that was dad's, dad's way of introducing me because he interacted with them some of the time. He was a child.

He'd actually told me about his first interaction when he was little, because like I said, he grew up, a cabin he grew up in. It sits deep in the woods, and there's some mountain there. And, of course, back then it's 1920, said there's no indoor plumbing. Water come from a spring that's, you know, had the outhouse or whatever, and he was little. And he said he had to go to bathroom. So his mom had taken him outside. He said he's only like three or four. And she had taken him out to the bathroom.

and it was dark. It's nighttime. And she hadn't taken him all the way to the outhouse. She'd take him over, like, to the edge of the yard. And he said he was there. And then this huge, just like with me, this huge black figure had loomed over top of him. Of course, he's just a baby. He's a little boy.

And I'm scared of a gemini's out of him as the way he said it. And he said his mom just walked over. And she scooped him up in her arms. And said she put her hand up, pull them up, and held her hand out and said, no, my baby. And he said this, he described the same thing. Excuse me, huge black figure, hairy. And they said he, it just walked back up into the woods and walked away. But he said that was the first time he had sawed him.

But he grew up with his mom interacting with them too. He told stories about my grandmother was Shawnee. We always raised our animals and food came from the earth. But in the summertime, you pick greens and you get like the wild green onions and the Shawnee lettuce, you have the dandelion greens, that kind of stuff. It was just a whole multitude of different plants that you eat. And she liked those wild onions. And it was a wild onion patch that wasn't too far away.

and he said she would go there to get the onions. And while she would be sitting on one side picking the onions, you have to pull them from the ground, they would be one of them on the other side. So they would be sharing the onion paths. And it was just common. It was not an abnormal thing for them. They were part of their lives.

And that's how I grew up and was taught too. Of course, I didn't have that exactly that kind. of interaction. Hello. Yes, yes, yes. So when just for context, like when you're having your interaction where you have your first sighting of The Watcher, what approximate year would you say that was? Let me see.

About 1968. Okay. And when your father has that citing as a very young child, what approximate year do you think that would have been. Oh, probably around 1931, 32. Okay. Dad's born in 27, and he said he was no more than three or four years old. He remembered it as being very small. And then the last story about interacting, having interactions in the onion field or the

onion patch across the way and there, what approximate time period would that have taken place in. Yeah, would have been in the 30s. Okay. Oh my goodness. Based on what

you've heard and also what you saw during the interaction where your father was there with you, would you say that the watchers

have a more ape-like look to them or they have more human-like features or how would you describe their physical

appearance? They're not all the same. Not exactly. Exactly. Their face, of course, they're hairy and they got their long hair. The palms of their hands are smooth. The palms of their feet are smooth. And around their eyes, it's not, it's smoother. Like around the eyes, there's not, it's not hairy. It's not hair. It's not more smooth. They do have that punch, I call it the punched in look. Their nose doesn't protrude. It's more flatter and wider. You hear that? YOLO! That's an internet troll

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And their hands are, first they have nails, but they're not like people portray them, like having these big long claws. They have more nail types. It's nails, but of course they're big, but they're not like the claws of a wolf or something like that. These are more human, like to me. That's the way I look at it. Their feet, when I've got castings and the footprints and stuff where they've stabbed over the years, of course, I've seen a lot. and their feet are more, of course, they're big and huge.

They leave, they're like a flat-footed, almost human foot, but it's flat. It's not, they don't have an arch, I guess that's what I'm trying to say. They're different, not exactly like a human foot, but a lot like huge foot. Sure. How long would you say the footprints are that you've, gotten casts of I've gotten everything up to the young one I have a young one I was only like maybe 14 inches but then I have some that's in the snow that literally are 24

inches long and they're probably 12 white they are huge they're massive that was from 2016 I believe that was on March 16th there was 13 inches of snow and actually came from my mother-in-law was also Shawnee and she was in her 90s when she was moved from the home place to my sister-in-law. There was an A-frame, I was right over. And she had gotten up, and the footprints were coming from my grandmother's house, past her house

from my mother-in-law, not my grandmother, her mother. And I have those pictures. I have the pictures in the snow, and she had taken them. She actually did an interview for me and told me she won't. She doesn't want her name told or she's someone to give these to you because. But the thing that they attached to you, it's like my dad had his own watcher. And I believe because my mother-in-law, again, she grew up in the woods. This woman, she picked berries, she dug roots.

She did the whole thing. This is a mountain woman. So she grew up the same way my dad did in the same area, my dad did. so when they moved her, I believe he followed her because it wasn't that far away where she got moved from the home place to this other site where she lived until she passed away. So I think he just followed her because with my dad, when my dad got, he has stroke

and he was 84, so I moved him from the big farm and I brought him here so he had to be a total care So I took care of him and mom both here. I put a mobile home in my front yard. And then I built a room so I could see, just glass so I can see straight out and down. And every night I would go, dad had been here probably about a month. And every night I would go, he wouldn't go to bed until like midnight. He wanted to watch the news, and he had his little routine.

And of course, I had to help him, literally put him to bed and getting situated for the night. and I would walk from my house down there, and he'd been here about a month, and I'd put down to bed, and it was around three in the morning. Now, my house is built into the woods, and my bedroom, like I said, I'm a widow, and I love my woods, so my bedroom was plate glass windows, because I like, and I don't put anything on them, I like seeing my woods, I have a little creek beside my house, and I had a door that came from my bedroom outside, And this was back in 1994.

And I just had the old-time screen door. I didn't have a storm door. I don't know if a country screen door is. It's just a frame with screen on it. There's no glass or nothing like that. And I would leave that door open and I would have raised my windows. And a combination of being in the trees under the one I've got springs and then the creek, I didn't have to have any air conditioning or anything.

The breeze just blows through and it's cool in the nighttime. So I left all that open. And about a month after I died being here, 3 o'clock the morning, the smell woke me up. And my first thing I thought about was, oh, my gosh, the septic blew up. Something happened because it was horrible smell. And I got up and looked and I didn't see anything.

I couldn't find anything. And it went away. But that went on like on the third night. I seen the shape move because there's a big glass window. and I saw the figure move. And then in my mind, I'm thinking, because we have bear here, coyote, bear, we have bobcat, everything. And I'm thinking it's a bear that's came down out of the woods.

So I did close my big door, and I had a big wooden door. So I closed it. But the next night, when I went out to go to Dimes, I always carry a gun. I've always carried a gun with me because I live in the woods. And I got out the front door, and I got a whiff. on the breeze of the smell. And then at the corner, I'd left a big cedar tree in the edge of my yard for shade.

I saw movement. And I've been, I hunt. I've been taught the track. I hunt the whole thing. And you're taught, don't run. Because if you run, you become prey. So I moved really easy and got into the house. And dad's, wasn't the world's wrong for you, doesn't lose your mind?

I said, no, dad. I said, there's a bear out there. there ain't no bear out there I said there's a bear out there I sit behind a tree I said I've been seeing something the last few nights he said you show me so I helped him up and got him over to the door and he looked out and he just went

he said don't worry about it he said you leave him alone he'll leave you alone and in my mind it clicked from his word because I've been taught about it on my life leave him alone they'll leave you alone I said you don't mean it and he's just watching He didn't do nothing.

But he would come and stand behind that tree and watch me until I put died in bed. He'd stand there for a while. He never hurt nothing, never bothered nothing. He just watched. And it went on again. It was a few months, three or four months. And when I moved, died.

He had one hog left. I sold off all the calves and everything. And I brought it, and now it's a big grown sow hog. And she's big. She's 400 pounds. So when she stood up, she's well bigger. I'm 5'3. She's way taller than me, way bigger than me.

And so you can imagine how tall her pen had to be so she couldn't come over the top. And this night, I put out of bed, and I hear these horrible screams. There's like an elephant trumpeting, out, scowling, screaming, fighting. And I thought, oh, my, jump up. Now, like I said, I've always, I have a gun, I have a, it's a pretty Sinnfield 303. It's an old army rifle and I have armor piercing. So it reaches out a good long ways and I can blow up a motorblock. It's got some knockdown power.

And I keep it by the door, but I never picked it up. I'm just barefooted in my nightgown. And I ran out the front door. God don't ask me why because I'm never that irresponsible. I'm always to pick up something. But those screams shocked me so much. And I went on down because where the pig pen was is on, like past the houses.

And I have a creek. You have to cross over a bridge. And the creek, the pin was down by the creek. And so I went that far. And I still hear those screaming and fighting. It's like in the woods because I'm down. I sit down low and then there's like hillsides all around me. And then it dawns on me.

I'm standing out there and hearing this is going on. And in my mind, I go, oh, my God, you dummy? You're outside. You don't have no gun. Nobody knows you're out here. And Dad can't get outside to help you to get the heck back to the house. And that's why I came back in. And I got and I stayed in the door and I could hear that.

But that went through the pig pen down there. It just stepped over. And then it was two steps and off the other side. through the creek and then the chicken coops were on the other side and it just absolutely tore the chicken coops to pieces. I just get just burst through, beaten and whatever.

Dad had, he had a bull mass and a pit bull mix old dog, his name was Jake. And he was a big old dog, but he was really old. And then I heard Jake scream and it's horrible, oh my gosh, I still think about it to this day, the terrible scream.

And I thought, you first didn't think you want to go, I was going to go help the dog. I could not physically go out the door. Something prevented me from stepping out that door, whether that was my fear, common sense. Even with the gun, I've read you put my hand down on the gun and then I just put it back. I was like, no. But the next morning I go out and those footprints were eight. The footprints that went through the pig pen because it's mud was 18 inches long.

And I found the dog. He was still alive. He had been bitten through his hindquarters, through his backbone, through his private parts just like he's been picking up, and just these big puncture wounds.

And he, don't ask me how he lived because he was pretty horrible, but he did. Of course, he was old, and he never moved around much after that. But that thing, that night, it traveled one down the road.

There's an old lady in a few miles down, and she had little dogs. And she actually called the cops, and the cops came out, and there's always just coyotes. It was not coyotes. I live in the country in my whole life.

That's not coyotes. But it went on up when you got to the main road, all the way through there, it was attacking dogs. And I wasn't the only one that heard it that night, and probably seen it. But the next day, the next night, Dad's Watchers back.

and there's no nothing violent about it. It didn't do anything. It was just like normal. So I'm not sure what happened that night. I actually just a couple months ago, which just has been, I have not told my stories. I just started doing this. And there's a reason for me doing it,

and I'll explain that later. A gentleman said, do you think he would, that the watcher was fighting with a dog man? And I was like, I never really had. interactions with a dog man. I never even

I never thought they were real things. I've heard the stories and the legends. I never thought that I thought it's just some of my Shawnee stories. But then this last October, but the one before I had actually went on a hike.

I do, I'll do 10 mile hikes back in the woods. Sometimes I spend the night. I have my own place. But I wasn't in my area. that time, this other girl that was hiking, those two other girls. And she wanted to show me a new area. It was one of her places. And it ain't even in this county. This is a different county that I'd never, ever been to, ever.

And we did, it was like six miles. We went deep woods and just laughing, joking, having a good time. And it was getting evening time. And it wasn't dark, but it was getting evening. And we're hiking back out. And the trail, there's only one. one way in, one way out you have to go. And I looked down the trail, and I seen, I thought it was a turkey, like a big giant turkey.

And I even said, what is that? And she looks, and she said, I don't know, I don't know, what is that? And, of course, she had her phone. I didn't even have a phone with me or anything. I don't carry it because normally in the woods. And I don't take a lot of pictures. And the girls had their phones, so they was doing that. And she tried.

She said, like, can't. in it, I can't see what it is. So we keep going, and the farther we're going, getting a little bit worried, because it's getting bigger. The farther we go, it's getting bigger. And now the third girl is seen it,

and she's, oh, my gosh, what is that? And I was like, has a head showed up like a German Shepherd head. And I was like, oh, my gosh, is that like a big dog? And then I got concerned because we're in the woods, and we don't know if this is a dog is mean. What is it?

And I carry a pistol. I carry a 380 in a pouch, and I pulled it around. And, of course, I carry spare clips with it, too. And I walk with a staff. And the girl, she's looking, she's, I'm fine me a stick. She finally found a, not a big stick, something. I guess it made her feel better. And we keep going.

And she's, what is that? It's just getting bigger and bigger. I don't know. All of a sudden, there was a dough jumped up and ran off through the woods. but this thing is on the ground, and it's tracking. I don't know if you've ever seen a dog track or not, nose to the ground, and they'll go back and before it's like getting a scent. It was doing that.

And we kept moving, and the place where we get, the bigger it's getting. Now, I'm to the point that I'm really concerned, and she's scared, and we're getting a little fancy. But there's no way for us to get out except to go past there. We have to go. So we're talking. It's maybe somebody threw a dog out, maybe somebody's throwing a ball, making it jump up, whatever.

And maybe it's just like a big, some kind of big breed of dog. And all of a sudden, it comes up on two legs. We're getting closer. And it comes up on two legs and it went off to the right into the woods, the same way that dog deer had went. It went into the woods. Now by this time we're closer. There's not a bird.

there's not an insect. It is totally stone quiet. Every hair on your head is saying, I'm on full guard. I don't get scared because I grew up in the woods and I've dealt with a lot of different things. But I'm, this is, everybody's nervous and they're scared and I'm not scared, but I'm very concerned. So my hands on that pistol and I'm ready. And we had to get past that area and we get up to the car, which I have my daughter's new car. You know, you hit the button on the key fob to unlock the doors. It won't work. It's like a horror movie. It was like, oh, my gosh, it won't unlock. It won't unlock. So I have to take the key and unlock the door. It's harder with the new cars because you've got to get to all this rigmarrow. And by this time, she's like,

I got to pee, I've got to pee, I'm going to pee. It's like, whatever, I'm getting inside. And I finally get it open and we get inside and we left. And honestly, I still don't know what I saw. All I know was it was on the ground. It looked like a dog. It was massive. But when it stood up, it was the size of a man. And it walked on two legs.

So that was a very different experience for me. The watchers, yes. I see them and they don't, they didn't get that. I kept feeling, but that was different. Wow. So you've got the watchers, but you've also got Dogman as well. Do you think that in your area, are they ever interacting? Are they in close proximity to each other?

Do you think they have a boundary set up? I, like I said, all the time I was growing up, I seen the watchers. I never saw the Dogman. I've heard stories of them. I've heard different. Of course, the watchers makes a different sound than the house. But here lately over the last two years, I've seen more evidence that there is some kind of other creature. I actually got a picture.

I camped out and back in the cliffs. And I picked up on my trail can of one of the watchers squatted down satin, which is very rare, believe me, you don't really get that kind of stuff. and but this thing which everybody's looking at and that's a dog man because it does look and it has ears it looks more of that kind of thing was on the cliff above me and I didn't even know I got the picture because I have one of those little it's a go-care video videos in front and behind so I didn't even know that I picked that up because I was just leaving I like going back in the woods. I still, nothing keeps me out of my woods. That's just who I am. And the house I've picked up on my trail cams are definitely different. So whatever is going on, which I, my theory is this, in this area, that's a Shawnee land, Shawnee was taken from this area, sacred land, and there's a 400-acre track of woods that hasn't been touched in over 200 years. There's,

no logging. This is their home. And it started getting logged a couple years ago. They started logging it. And they've taken out massive amount of timber, which has invaded their home. So now they're moving out and about into different areas. So we've had more sightings here. There's another group that comes here. They've been coming here for years. And they had a kind of really scary experience where they got ran out. It actually, it's a night stalker group, and they actually ended up selling their story to Discovery Channel. It's a terror in the woods hunted by Bigfoot,

and that's from this area. And I actually go out with them sometimes, and just a few months ago, I don't do vocals. I have recordings from all the way back from 1994, like on the old cassettes from here and them, their talk or their vocals or whatever. Their chatter, different things.

I don't do that when they come. I guide for them. I'll be a guide sometimes or whatever. And they're my friends, so we just hang out together too. And they had picked up some more. Now, I only started going out into the woods with them a couple years ago. Before that, they literally were getting bombarded with rocks, going through the top of their car, busing their windshield.

Then after I started going, the one lady, which she's an older woman, but she's absolutely wonderful lady, very intelligent, very fearless. And she's, we don't get rocks thrown at us anymore. She said, I think I had something to do with you, doesn't it? I never, because I'm in this area where we go, I consider them mine. It's like we've interacted, so we have our own little way of communicating. and they can be very protective of me at times, but then I am a dim. It's a strange, I guess people think you was crazy when you say that.

So there's no such thing. You're just nuts or some kind of paranoid idiot. I don't have any mental issues. I'm very high IQ, actually. And this is just part of my heritage and my family. And honestly, like I said, I'm not the only one that sees them from here. but with the things that's going on, the logging, them being disruptive and brought out, it's a safety issue, not just for them, but for humans. PNC Bank brings you.

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So I have a hidden agenda. This is my way of protecting both. Wow. I've just been sitting here listening the whole time. Fascinating stories, Donna. And I'm also remembering my conversation with Brian Sawyer as you've been talking and just some of the things he was explaining to me about probably that this same area. I'm going to have to go back and listen to our conversation again. Has there ever been a time where you feel like you've had any types of communication between yourself and the watchers that have been in the area?

Oh yeah, we do communicate. Like I said, it's a, it's like telepathic type thing. I know what they're, I can feel their feelings. They can feel mine. When they're getting agitated, I become agitated. I feel that. And they do communicate. It's not like they have words.

I don't, I've never heard them speak English. Now, I've heard them make, like the show, I have the ancient Shawnee language, and I use it sometimes. I've heard them. mimic some of the shawnee. It's a, they do like this Uwa-u. That's the only way I can explain it. But it's actually a Shawnee word. And what it means is

come back. It's their way of signaling the others to come back to the caves. It's danger. Come back. Move back. Yeah. I, but as far as hearing them say, name or an English name or no I've never I give them names just from my own personal I call like the

grandfather the old one I have some young ones here now actually that's been more active the old like I said the way I explain it is the old ones I grew up with he grew up the same time I did the young ones has grown up seeing me, me being there. I bring gifts. I bring food. And I don't do like the howling stuff. I do have a howl that I can do. But what I do is I play flute music.

I do drumming, chants, more peaceful, calm time of thing. That's how we interact. And when they come, I have, so I have sleigh bells. So when I put my gifts out, I use those sleigh bells. And it's just like this, you know, what the sound of slaybell is. But they, it's not like I see them every day. Don't get me wrong. It's not, they can be standing right in front of you, and you won't see them.

They have the ability to, I call it the shimmer. Somehow they turn. And it doesn't mean they're not there. They're there. But they have a cloaking ability. I call it like a chameleon. You know how the camillians can hide right in a tree, a green snake in the grass.

It's not that they're not there, but they change, so they just blend in with the surroundings. And you just think you're looking at a tree or you're looking at a bush or they have that ability. So people say, I've never seen nothing. And then they go, why don't you find like bones or whatever? first off, they take care of their own.

That's like we, the Shawnee have a thing we bury our own. We take care of our own. And they do the same thing. And if something does happen, but then if you look at the animals, decomposition of an animal that dies in the wood, it takes very little time for the scavengers

to pick it clean and carried away. But that really doesn't have. happen with them. They have their own way of doing. They take care of their own. It's fascinating. And things that you're saying are definitely reminding me of other conversations. So the shimmer, and remind me, have you seen that happen as well? Have you seen it where you're looking at a watcher and that starts to shimmer and then fade out? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, actually, again, I'll refer back to the Night Watcher group, and this wasn't, this summer, it was a summer before, and the one gentleman, Miller, it's Mike Miller.

That's what he had said, and that night, the moon was full, and there was a group, and they were, all, there was about eight all around us, and I knew they were there. Of course, people doubt you. So I don't really say anything. I just ask me a question. I answered vaguely. And he had said, I would do anything just to see one. He said, someone would love to see one. We're setting and we're deep in the woods.

And the boon comes up. And I knew that the old one was there. I knew he was there because he was watching. Basically, this probably, I don't talk about this kind of thing. But if a woman is on her monthly, I'll call it, they shouldn't be in the woods. It's the precautions for a baby. They tell you'd be very cautious around that time.

Same thing applies. The young lady that was there didn't say anything until later, after we were in the woods, and she said, I'm having my period. And I go, oh, gosh. And so that will, that affects, there's an effect. And they're pretty close. And Mike was setting, he sets a chair down, they face their cars out, and they sat in the dark, they don't use lights at all.

It's total pitch black, I mean, the moon coming out. And I had been watching him. He was in the tree line, and I knew he was there. And finally, the moon had came up, and he stepped from the tree line out into the plain sight, and Mike literally came out of the chair. And it's like, just calm. Stay calm. Just stay calm.

And he's like, I am. And he's just in awe. Not only did he see it that night, but there was a couple other. The group was solid. the girl was there, but she turned her back. I said, don't you know, I'm too scared. And she turned her back. And then there was another gentleman that didn't.

But the other, there was three of the same group, saw them that night. But then he simply took two steps back into the trees, and he was there. They thought he was gone. He wasn't. He just stepped back, turned, and they can't see him anymore.

So, yeah, they have that ability to be there and not be there. From what you've heard over the years, the interactions with the watchers that you've heard and you've experienced, I guess besides the things with the dogs, have there been any aggressive interactions with humans or is there usually some kind of understanding there where that stuff just doesn't happen in that area? No, there has been more violent. There was a report not just a few months ago in another area. Some people on a four-wheeler said they had gotten things thrown at them and they actually got chased. Now, I did, like I said, this was a couple years ago. I got hit, but it wasn't their fault. This was, I don't look at it like it was trying to hurt me.

Again, Mike and then was here and they did a lot of vocals close by. And he had asked me to go out. to see if I could hear it because I'm down in the valley below where they were at. And I did. It was like probably 12 o'clock at night or something. It was later in the night. And I came in from work and I still had a skirt on. I had to put tennis shoes on.

I had changed into them. And I walked, once I walked back to the back of my property, once I passed the barns, it's pitch black because it's just the woods. And I have a greenhouse and I got them back. And I heard the screaming. in the woods. I could hear like some kind of battle going on or whatever. But in my

mind I thought that's my, that's him putting off the calls back at the other cabin. So I just kept going and as I get back there, I'd been working, so I had a little my garden tiller and I, whatever the garden is so there's buckets and I had a little red, it glue cooler,

a small cooler. And it had been sitting back against the trees where I had popped and ice in it and water. And it comes flying out. I'm back in the pitch black and I've got the phone in my hand because I was messaging Mike and then I lost signal

and I'm still holding it but I'm just pitch black and that comes flying out and it hit me in the side, it got me on a hip and the force of it knocked me down and I'm thinking oh crap you know what the heck

because I can hear now I see the trees I see the trees being pushed fairly good sized trees I see him swaying and pushing. And these screams. And I'm like, oh, crap, that's like the screams. I heard when it attacked my dog. And it came down, and there's a where the path is.

But at the last minute, he's big, he's big. I have the smaller ones, which I call him mine. He's tan, which is the big guy is, and he's more black. And he comes charging out the other side, and they interact right there. He literally just jumps on him. And I, that was my chance to get up. Let me tell you, what's not easy, because I took a pretty good, I took a pretty good hit. But I got back down to the barn and I keep a 12-gauge pump shotgun in the barn.

And I had buckshot in that. And I backed up and I pulled it out and then I thought, no, you dummy. And again in my head, I was like, you dummy. Just get to the house. Because my big house had burned a few years ago, and I have a smaller cabin down by the road after a mom and dad got food sick. I moved them down closer road because of getting the squad, you know, just taking care of them. So I had to get across the bridge and back into my house, and I didn't. I can steer here that all the way down into the house.

I hear about battle going on. but they were already disrupted from their normal area. Their woods, they're back in there with all that machinery tearing up the woods. They're already mad. They're already being forced out of their normal area. And then Mike puts off these calls. He puts off the wolf calls, which is a battle cry. Which I told him, I was like, that's a challenge.

When you do that, that's a challenge. And then the next morning, and he goes, I was like, where do you? did you go? He said, I went to bed. I was like, are you dead? What? He's like, yeah, I asked, why. I was like, are you freaking kidding me? You don't want to go out there and you went to bed. I could have been killed. I was joking, but, you know, yeah, they get violent. They get, of course, not everybody knows. I don't interact with them that way. Everything with me is calm and peaceful and giving. And if I feel like I've pushed my limit too far, I back. I back. out, I back away. And if I have a question, I do full submission mode. I'll hit my, I'll go to the ground, I'll drop my head. It's like I'm submissive. I'm not a challenge.

I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm no threat. But really, myself, I don't have that kind of problems that other people have. Yes. Yeah, I can't tell you they're not. They're dangerous, yeah. It sounds. Definitely. It's something that you're treating it with respect. And as you said, you're willing to turn to a submissive mode almost immediately. Do you have any thoughts about, let's say, if a person was wanting to try to have some kind of interaction with the watchers, what you might recommend for them to do when they're in a certain area? And like I said, from the time I was little, he taught me, and I think it was his way of protecting me because he knew they were going to be around where I was at.

And that was basically be respectful. Don't threaten them. Don't be a threat to them. And like with the little ones, when they're having, they have little ones. It's just like us. We're going to protect our child to death. I will. Maybe some parents don't, but I do.

And no matter what, my child is first, and I will. fight you to the death. They're the same. So you want to be very cautious. You don't want to do anything to be like you're going to like charging into the woods. People say I've seen it so I just charged into the area. I'm going to see no you'll get better results is to set down. Be quiet. If you have something that you can put out as an offering, it doesn't be a candy bar at the They like shiny things. If it's something simple, it doesn't have to be. It's all in keeping your emotions under control.

If you're all hyped up and either scared or you're all crazy, if you sit down quietly and you're calm and cool, and I know that's hard to do. Believe me, I've got taught a lot of lessons in my lifetime. Control of my emotions was the hardest. thing because I have a temper. My temper was the worst thing in the world that I had to

learn to control my temper. And to this day, I still have a temper, but when I was young, you know, you don't want to push your, you don't want to push your luck. You don't want to push the boundaries. If you feel threatened, if you follow your senses. If you

walk into a yard and there's a dog in there and that dog, his heads down, he's giving you that eye, you're going, oh, I don't think he's a good doggy. I think I'll let him go or not interact with him. Same feeling. You get that feeling. You have that sense in there.

Just follow it. If you feel uncomfortable, you feel threatened, you feel scared, back up, back away. If you leave and back away quietly and calmly, they won't bother you. If you challenge, they react to that challenge and they react to your emotions. I think that's some great advice. Like I said, I am Shawnee descent. I still have elders and I'm an elder too, but I still have people that I answer to.

And these watchers are part of their family too. I'm not the only one. People who think, God, no, I am not the only one. And these are very important to us. Their safety is very important to us, their ability to live freely, just like all the animals are losing their home. You know, the forest are coming down.

So not just the watchers, but the bear. I've got bobcats coming in. Normally they don't come into a home site. They might still take on their room there. All of this is happening. So there's going to be more interactions. All of those non-believers someday may step out and come face to face and not know what to do because they don't believe.

And that's absolutely there. I have full respect for everybody. in their way. I've had people tell me the watchers are evil, they're demonic, they come from the giants that came down and had children with the humans and now these are the demons. That's not true. The watchers simply watch over us. Our is the moon-eyed people came, which that's another race of people, had children with the Shawnee, not just the Shawnee, but other tribes, other two. And the watchers were left by. behind to guard the children of these people.

That's our theory. But just for protection, like I said, the watchers are here, and they're going to be seen more and more. They're not evil beings. They're not demons from hell. They are not of the devil. I believe in heaven and hell. I believe in God.

I believe my creator. My creator created everything, the same as God created everything. So one, they're both the same. evil in the world absolutely there is evil my thing is don't look just because they're big and ugly doesn't mean that these are evil beings it just means they're different people in the world are different we have different people doesn't mean that i have one person is worse than the other or one person better than the other but it's going to happen and i love my watchers also love my people So, like I said, it's the only reason I'm doing this, I'm not looking to get famous.

I'm not, I don't make no money off of any of this. This is just simply, I guess, to put the word out and so people can be aware, there's going to be more. It doesn't mean that these are evil things. And I'm, like I said, I go to church. I do not believe in or don't practice anything evil. Everybody has their right to their own opinion and whatever they think, but all I'm asking for is an open mind. Yeah, absolutely. And Donna, this has been, I think, a great conversation.

Thank you so much for coming on the show today, Donna, and for sharing what you've experienced and what you've learned about regarding the watchers down there in Southeast Ohio. and it's been a privilege to talk to you today. Oh, thank you so much for the honor and the opportunity, just to get my story out there. Like I said, I'm done. That's kind of my ulterior mode of what I said. And I hope somewhere along the way it does help both and everybody and everything. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners.

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