Bigfoot Society - Sierra Thermal Memories and Searching for Bigfoot in the Pacific Northwest | The Olympic Project | Todd Hale

Episode Date: July 2, 2022

#135Todd Hale is a part of the Olympic Project. The Olympic Project is an association of dedicated researchers, investigators, biologists and trackers committed to documenting the existence of Sasquatch through science and education.Enjoy this chat with Todd as we talk about Sierra thermal memories, researching Bigfoot with Olympic Project and more. Episode Resources:The Olympic Project website http://www.olympicproject.comTodd on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thetoddsquatch/On the Trail of Bigfoot: The Discovery (documentary by Small Town Monsters) - https://amzn.to/3y43IjuTodd's Recommendations:Valley of the Apes: The Search for Sasquatch in Area X by Michael Mayeshttps://amzn.to/3n1PuZZGear (affiliate links)Tascam DR-05X recorder - https://amzn.to/3n5ybXWFlir Scout TK thermal monocular - https://amzn.to/3n15ZFIPulsar Helion thermal monocular - https://amzn.to/3zMRKfm_____________________________Join us over on Patreon! Get access to a whole library of extended shows, exclusive merch like a membership card and stickers, watch me interview guests weekly live on video, a Patron-only Discord and more.https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyNOTE: I'm attending my first Bigfoot expedition this summer! Please pick up a Bigfoot Society shirt from my Etsy to help fund the gear I'll need to get.https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietyContribute directly at the GoFundMe page for the expedition:https://www.gofundme.com/f/gear-needed-for-my-first-bigfoot-expeditionTune in every Saturday at 5 pm Central for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QIG: https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Website: https://bit.ly/3jvKIm7Shop: https://etsy.me/3ptlubQiTunes: https://apple.co/3fmmhTCSpotify:Smart Passive Income PodcastWeekly interviews, strategy, and advice for building your online business the smart way.Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the show

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It turned around and looked at me. Looked up and in this tree there was a monkey man. And the monkey man jumped down out of the tree. It started running away. And suddenly they're right in front of the car. He slams on the brakes and manages to stop. He's skidding because it's not quite, you know, graveling. And literally for about a second and a half,

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like-minded cryptid researchers and enthusiasts, weekly bonus content, the ability to hang out with each week's guest after the main show, exclusive merch, and much, much more. In this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast, we are able to talk to Mr. Todd Hale from the Olympic Project based on the Pacific Northwest. This is a really fun interview talking about some Bigfoot incidents from Todd's past,

and also some very recent stuff with the Olympic project as well. You're really going to love this episode. Sit back, relax, enjoy much. conversation with Mr. Todd Hale from the Olympic Project. All right, Big for Society. We've got Mr. Todd Hale from the Olympic Peninsula, the Olympic Project, here to hang out tonight. How's it going, Todd? Good.

How are you doing? Dude, I'm doing good. I'm psyched to have you on, tried to chat with you for quite a while. And it was ever since I saw, of course, you know, Discovery, the movie that, that Seth came out with. And like your line where it's like, he's asking everyone like, what's your specialty?

And I believe the quote is, what do I bring to the table? I don't know. But they saw something in me. And I'm like, that guy's got more to his story because he's, I was like, I got to talk to Todd.

I just, that was a good movie. And I feel like you got some stories. So tell me, man, what does the audience, need to know about you. Well, they gave them a legitimate answer, but of course, they cut it, right? Oh, they did. I did that to mess with me. Yeah. I gave my real answer. But, of course, yeah, they probably mess with me. Movie magic. There you go. Yeah. That was a long day of interviews.

They interviewed everybody in there for 30 to 40 minutes. Wow. Those little tiny bits of interview. It's a long process. That's wild. I'm sorry. What was the original question then? So the question is, so for let's say listeners where they're like, I don't know Todd Hale, I don't know the Olympic Prize, what do the listeners need to know for background before we start chatting about stuff? So they're not completely lost, I guess. Oh, well, I've been into this subject for a long time since I was as far back as I can remember a kid with the PG film and in search of and all the old documentaries from the 70s.

I was born in 71, so those were on TV a lot when I was a kid. And I had been checking out books at the library and elementary school. And I did a lot of hiking and camping as a kid. And in the Sierra trout fishing, camping out in the desert. I was a SoCal kid. I grew up pretty close to the beach. Okay. And I was just always into the subject, always looking for stuff.

and in 86 in Southern California I had a possible sighting and I was 15 years old with friends of mine and my brothers

and and I wasn't too much to know it as a teenager in early 20s but I started getting back into it as a young adult reading more books with some of the documentaries

coming out in the 90s and I decided I wanted to actually try and go look for this thing myself and see what I could come up with. Because I still, even after that possible siting and the books, I was fully on board. But then there's periods of time where I'm like, we would have had one by now. I mean, what's really going on with this? I want to find out for myself. So I went to a conference in 2008 with Tommy Amarone.

I met him. He introduced me to a lot of people. I met a lot of California BFRO people at that conference. And that's kind of where it took off. Wow. What conference was that? That was Bigfoot Discovery Days 2 at Mike Ruggs Museum in Felton. Wow.

That is cool. I met a lot of prominent Bigfoot people that day. And made some connections for Southern California in the first. rest is kind of history. That's awesome. And so how did you get, how did you get hooked up with the Olympic project guys? What's the story behind that? Through social media, I was still in Southern California. I contacted Shane. I think it was before Monster X when he was doing his other show. I think it was called Cryptologic Radio. And we talked on the phone. And I knew him from just Facebook, you know, social media stuff.

But I moved up to Washington for a job. People think I moved here for Bigfoot, but I didn't. I moved here for a job. And I got invited to Beachfoot. I went to Beachfoot in 2016. I met the OPE people. I met Derek. I knew Shane for social media,

but obviously meet someone in a person, is different. Exactly. And I went on an expedition in 2017. And Derek, maybe a member right in that time, like five years ago. That is awesome. So I just kind of fell into it. It was really fast. You know, from the time I moved to Washington until I was an O.P. member was a year or whatever it was.

But I'd already been researching in California. And I knew Bart, Coutino and some other people in California. So it just kind of. everything just kind of happened real fast. Oh, that's awesome, dude. It's like just some weird circumstances along the way and like getting set up with the right people. And it's a very, I mean, it is all about who you know. And like stuff, you know, being able to go to Beachfoot, stuff like that, that's really cool.

I was looking through your Instagram earlier because why not. It's awesome. And so I got a few questions that are not Bigfoot related, but I think they're, It could be interesting. So what's your favorite beer? Because you seem like you are a beer-oficionado on the gram. Brand beer? Yeah.

What type of beer? If you could have any beer like that, you know, what is your top beer that you love? This one's pretty good. My favorite brewery is Stone. Okay, Stone. Nice. Yeah. Okay.

And I have a little fridge down here in my office. Yeah, I post a lot of beer pictures. I started that years ago and I just never really stopped. Awesome. People probably think I'm an alcoholic or I drink a lot, but I really don't. I just post pictures of the beer I drink on Fridays or Saturdays. I don't drink during the week because of my job's way too hard. I don't want to feel like crap.

I got you. I got you. Good call. You also seem to be a huge aficionado of 80s bands. What is your favorite 80s band? Metallica, of course. Okay. Is there any other 80s?

I love Iron Maiden, too. But we're talking metal, man. I love metal. I like country that's not on the radio. So like your old school country, like Outlaw Country stuff? A little bit of that, a little more traditional. All right, cool, cool. Yeah.

But I like, yeah, I'm pretty much a metalhead through the 80s. Nice. Yeah, I love Iron Maiden and Metallica. I love it. That's my generation. I still listen to them today. Do you blast any Metallica or anything when you're out squatching or save that stuff for home? No, man.

I don't play any music camping on those trips. Doing those Bigfoot trips is not like a normal camping trip or people are blasting music and screaming and yelling. It's completely different because you have audio rolling. Oh, sure. And yeah, we don't do screaming. There's no music. I mean, it's pretty much just by the fire or by your vehicles and listening for stuff. It's not like you would think.

I mean. Gotcha. Yeah. No music's playing. So, yeah, because some people, they take a certain viewpoint where, like, if I do something weird, that's going to bring Squatch in, like, you know, friend Tate is like, hey, let's play video games or maybe I'll play some rush on my base. I heard he say that. I saw I'm playing a bass out there with a little amp.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't do anything like that. Each to their own, for sure. My friend Jonathan Easley from Western Bigfoot Exploration, I was, you know who I'm talking about? He's like, he's like, ask Todd what happened in the Sierra's. Yeah, we figures he would ask that.

Yeah. Are you familiar with the birth? Catino thermal footage? I am, but do you mind summarizing it for our listeners in case they're not? Okay. People might or might know about Justin Smea, the supposed Sierra kills and the Sierra site. We went up there. They were going up there doing some Bigfoot stuff, and Rosahibi was making this little

documentary. and I've been in contact with those guys. I already knew Bart, but I wasn't in on the Sierra site stuff in the beginning. Roe and I shared a ride basically just to split gas money. We're going to drive up there real quick for a one-nighter. And it's like a 12-hour drive. We went up there for a one-nighter so he could shoot some B-roll footage. And we had to find out from Justin and,

and Bart if I could even go because they don't want a lot of people know where the place was. But I got the okay. I went. We were hanging out there in the day. I just wanted to go just the, I mean, who wouldn't want to go? I wanted to check the place out. I wanted to go through Justin's story in person and just see kind of the lay of the land and where this happened or where this happened. So we were there that day and there was a lot of deer hanging out.

It was a very, it was a weird, weird day as many deer as were hanging out close to us and in our camp. So the sun starts going down. We're waiting for Sean evidence to show up there. He was going to get there around 10 at night. And Bart went and got Sean. He saw like a herded deer, like 30-headed deer. which is crazy. I mean, there was a ton of deer up there.

Later that night, they're doing calls and screams. And, you know, nothing's really going on. It's kind of quiet. Mike, a guy named Michael Lawrence was there. He went to bed. Justin's on a cot in front of us in the fire. Or next to the fire. Not in the fire.

Ro and I are sitting in the fire. Yeah. Bart's, is like, we're winding down. We're getting ready to go to bed. and Barts like, you know what, I'm going to take Sean for a night walk, just like one last walk and it'll hit the saddle. So they go for a night walk. And while they're gone, Roe and I start seeing stuff in the trees. And we heard a whistle in front of us.

And we start seeing movement way up in the woods up here in this ridge. And then we started seeing movement straight in front of us in the trees. And it's like, do you see that? you know, there's a lot of stuff going on. Yeah. So fast, this is a super abbreviated version. So fast forward, Bart comes down and he's like, hey guys, did any of you get up and walk up here in the woods? We're like, no, something is right there in the trees. He's like, I think I'm, I think I'm feeling squatches. And I'm like, we know. All this is on audio. And I'm pointing. I'm like, they're right there. They're right there. And he's like, put you out. Don't point, don't point.

I don't want him taking off. The reason he came down is because his batteries had died in the thermal, and he came down to get the change of batteries. So he woke Justin up, and he's like, Justin, Justin, I think I'm filming squatches right up here in the trees. And Justin's like, yeah, I told you they're here. Do you want the rifle? Oh, yikes. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society.

We'll be right back after these messages. And he's like, shh. He's like, shoot him. And I'm like, what? This guy's crazy? You know, I'm thinking, shoot him. Because Bart's like, there's more than one. Wow.

Because two of them crossed the tree, you know, the same tree gap. Like one went across and then you see another one go across. So that's a minimum of two. Wow. So Bart's trying to thirm from down by the fire, but he can't see anything. They're behind the trees. they're hiding behind the trees and these trees are huge so he goes back up around starts filming and they're still there so row and i are freaking out i mean it was the scariest night of my life

wow sitting there the fire is really tiny we're keeping a really small fire so it could just put your i could put my hand like this and still see the woods okay like a four inch flame it's really small. And the things just kept moving and moving and you could see it. And I was thinking, man, if these things are as intelligent as everyone says they are, what if they recognize Justin? What if? It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I mess up? What if I'm not ready? I see a whole highlight reel of everything I don't want to happen. Missed shots, turnovers, letting my team down. And for a second, there's doubt. But then, I realize I've done enough to be where I'm at.

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I'm like, what if these things are going to come in on us? Yeah. I started thinking, like, where's the nearest hospital? What if something goes on? We're far from civilization. Yeah, dude. And I mean, it was crazy. You could hear, I heard walking on the road, you could hear.

Wow. I heard footfalls to the left of us on the other side of Sean's vehicle. So at the end of the night, Bart comes back down. Oh, I heard a weird sound too. I didn't know what it was. but during that time when it was getting later and later and this thing, it kept going on, they were hanging around our camp

and we were feeling surrounded. I mean, the most vulnerable feeling I've had in my life was there that night. So I heard a weird sound. It was like, boom, boom. And I could not figure out what was that sound? What was that? So it ended up being, when Bart sent me the thermal footage,

we got home, it was Monday, going through the footage. there's a, there's one that throws a rock, like a baseball pitch, and it hits the tree. And it hits the tree and lands on the ground. And that's the exact cadence of the sound I heard. I was on the phone to Bart. Hey, that's the sound I heard. That's the sound I heard.

It was that rock hitting the tree and landing on the ground. There was another one that lobbed a rock down to the right of Bart. There was a lot going on. I still have all my notes. I still have all the foot. That's wild. Basically, they ended up exiting the same way they came in to our left.

And Robert Leiderman, in the investigation, they did with Kit Moore, Robert Leibem. A lot of people went up there to do the investigation. I didn't go up there. Bart's text to me all the information. They're trying to figure out how tall these things were, how big they were, you know, where they were exactly. And Leiderman's the one that, it really turned him.

around, there's no other explanation for these thermal images in these places because they were standing on stumps or standing on ice chest. Wow. These things are a lot bigger than people, you know, wider, bigger. None of them were very tall except one. The tallest one was like a century watching all this going on. And he was like a large male. And I think that's the walking I heard on the road in the beginning of that event.

because that event lasted like an hour and a half. And they, so when they ended up leaving, they exited the same way they came in to our left and threw the metal behind us. And we didn't know it. Okay. And Leiderman's the one that saw.

They're walking behind me in a row. Oh, man. Out that way when we're still at the fire. So at the end of the night, it's late. Bart's like, let's act like we're going to bed. Hopefully they come in and I'll film them. close because he was far away.

It was like 90 or 100 yards away, and the thermal footage is, you know, not great because it's too far away. But it's time to go to bed. I had a tent sit up behind Rose truck. And Rose, like, are you going to get in that tent? I'm like, no, I'm not getting a tent. I'm getting in the truck with you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that day, we found a track right in front of where Roe was parked. Oh, no. And they had casted 15-inch tracks in that area, too. There's three sizes, like a small, medium and a large size they were finding and casting. So I said, no, I'm getting in the car with you because we're right next to the tree line, my door. And I said, if they come in and start messing with us in the car, we're out of here. I go, you're starting that car and we're getting the FAA out of here.

I cannot wait for the sun to come up. I'll tell you, I want to get out of there that night. Dude. There you go, Jonathan. That is wild. There you go, John. Very abbreviated version. That's the quick version.

Oh, man. Thanks for sharing that. Todd, I wanted, so I can already tell this, this hour is going to go by quick. You mentioned before our interview started is that so you were actually out in the woods today. And you had brought up that, like, hey, why don't I share some stuff that? happened today. And I say, let's go for it. Okay. Well, nothing happened. Bigfoot Wife. Yeah. Chris, Chris Spencer and I were out on a scouting trip today up by Greenwater off

before 10. You know, it's up in the Cascades. Okay. And we drove, we went ahead and drove over to bumping lake. Uh-huh. And deployed some audio somewhere over. were there. I don't know if I'm supposed to say the B lake word, but everyone seems to know about it these days. I mean, I don't think it's a problem since it's a documentary name that's coming out soon. I want to take Chris there and show them. Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, okay. I try to have to talk about that place because there's so many people there. But I think everyone knows about it now. It's not a secret, Todd. It is not a secret. So Chris and I were just driving around in the Cascades on some forest roads up there.

Okay. I did want to ask you. So let's say there is, let's say there's someone listening. They're getting ready to go on a Bigfoot research expedition. It's their first time. Do you have any, do you have any advice on, like, what kind of gear they would want to have going out into the woods? Some waterproof boots. Okay.

All right. So you're saying waterproof boots and what other things were you saying? Well, here in Washington, you need waterproof gear, waterproof boots. You need bug spray. Okay. You're going to need a nice tent with a nice rainfly. Okay. Because a lot of the trips we go on, it will be raining.

And if it's not raining, you wake up in the morning, everything's wet anyway from all the you know, condensation and everything. Oh, sure, yeah. I mean, it's, you will be wet. You want to make sure and try and stay dry and warm. It's a completely different climate up here. When I moved here, I did buy different types of clothes and everything. It's so much different than California, obviously.

Oh, sure, yeah. A nice audio recorder wouldn't hurt. A task cam Dero 5X is a good way to start. It's like 100 bucks. I was going to ask you because that's what Chris Spencer recommended, and I was going to ask you if that's, so it's the same thing that Chris has. I think it's the same model that he said.

He's got like five of these. I have two. And I have other recorders. I have like five recorders total. But these are my two main ones I use on our trips. I'll put one closer to camp and one further from camp. Nice. I don't know.

If you're talking about gear, like Night Vision or thermals. I have a little, the little tiny Fleer, the little $600 one, the scout. It's not great at all. I mean, it's the only reason I got it is because it was so cheap and I'm cheap. But I'm getting ready to actually invest in a nice thermal because I'm tired of things happening and I can't see it. Totally. Because I never bought a thermal before because it's not proof. People are going to take it as proof.

But I've had so many things happen in the last couple of years, and I really want a thermal. And it's very frustrating. But as far as gear goes, you need to be prepared for the weather here. Because you could be in August, and it's 86 to go and rain on you. And you have to be ready. Wow. Especially in Washington. Hmm.

Specifically about the task. Left in task camp, wet sleeping bags. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Specifically about the task cam, what is it that you really like about that model? Is it like just how cheap it is or are there specific features about it? I'm the wrong person to ask about that. The only reason I bought them is because Chris recommended them.

Awesome. And I set it up to Chris's settings and that's it. That's what I'm going to do. Yeah. I put new cards, put new cards. put new batteries, and I've been using those for years. And I don't even put them in a Ziploc bag or anything. I just put them out under some bark or under some moss,

and they've been pretty much bulletproof the whole time. I've been using it for years. I'd highly recommend them. Do they hold up to rain then? These have. They've been plenty of times, though somebody else may not want to do that. happen. Right.

Chris will put him in a Ziploc bag and then he'll have just the mics out and he'll electrical tape like the Ziploc bag will have a hole in it right here and then he'll just tape the mics kind of out in the rain. Oh, wow. But I literally just put these out face down because there's a red light and the squatches seem to be attracted to that red light regardless. Do you think so? Those things have been really good.

I've had them wet plenty of times. Nice, nice. You were mentioning that you wanted to get a higher model of a thermal. What device are you looking into getting that you said was costing a little bit more? I think it's a pulsar, Helian. Okay. XP2 Pro or something like that. They're around $4,000.

Oh, my goodness. Wow. It just kills me. But I've used, I borrowed those in the field, and they are incredible. Really? So they're definitely in the higher end. There's people out there that have a lot more expensive thermals. We'll be right back.

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because I think it's fascinating to find out more about that area where the nests are. The area where the normal areas, because we've been down in the area so many times, there's almost like an established trail, but it's still hard to get down. You're stepping over stuff, you're crawling under stuff. It's not easy by any means. There's a lot of people who just, they flat out couldn't make it. But when you're going into a newer area, like we're exploring for new nests, It is brutal.

It is, we don't use machetes or we're not busting through. We're not knocking the stuff down. We're trying to keep it intact. So you're basically just pushing this stuff out of your way. And you're going up, going up these ridges, down these ridges. And it's really difficult. It's hard. Last time I did it, I hurt my knee.

Really? It was, uh, no. fun at all, but that's where you have to go to find these things. That's true. Last time we're out, we actually found a track way back in that fixed stuff. Oh, wow. Were you able to cast it? The impression was so deep.

It looked like this thing, it jumped out of the tree. Yeah. Yes. So the way the impression was, it looked like it land on its heel and then rolled its foot and took off. Wow. Chris, Chris casted it.

We have the cast. Okay. We've casted a lot of stuff in there, including handprints from when Shane and I walked in that nest being built. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. In 2020. Hmm.

Oh, that is crazy. Is there, has there been a time where you've been out? you know, on a O.P. Field Expedition and something happened where it's like... It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I mess up? What if I'm not ready? I see a whole highlight reel of everything I don't want to happen. Missed shots, turnovers, letting my team down. And for a second, there's doubt. But then, I realize I've done enough to be where I'm at. The early morning, the extra reps, the days I wanted to quit and didn't.

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I suspect everything happens for a Reese's. Like this commercial break, did you need 15 seconds away from music? Or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's. Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's. It almost made you think like, this is nuts. Why am I here? It sounded like you had an experience like that in the Cierras,

but did something that really freaked you out happen also with the O.P. at all ever? Yes, but not. in the O.P in central Washington on a different expedition. Okay. It's in the film a bit. They played the audio of the tree being pushed over. Oh, yeah, yeah. This big loud tree crash.

That night was like my second scariest night of my life. And I've spent a lot of nights in the woods and tents since I've moved here, especially. A lot, a lot. You know, and most of the time, it's pretty mundane. There's not a lot going on. and sometimes it just gets crazy. And you know they're around. They're making themselves known.

They're whooping, they're knocking, pushing trees over. This camp, this particular place has a long history of Bigfoot activity right there. That's why we were there. And they've been at camp. several times. Now, the naysayers will say, well, I wasn't there those other times. That's the night that Rebecca, Rebecca didn't say it exactly in Seth's film, but one walked into camp and walked right in between her and the tent we were staying in.

Really? And I have audio of it walking up to my recorder. Like I talked about, is your quarters emit a red light. And even if you put it, the light, down and covered with moss, I think they can see it. It's still emitting like a glow. So if you have like, um, if they can see at night like we think we can't, they can. Because Shane has recorded them walking up to his recorder.

Chris has it. Chris has had him messing with the recorder. And I've had them walking up to my recorder. And they just hang out and they'll stand there for like five minutes and then they walk away. And it's the same MO. We've all recorded it. So the night of the tree fall, my recorder was about 60 feet from the fire. Okay.

The direction of the tree fall. And hours before the tree fall, it walked up to my recorder. You can hear it. And it stood there. I know it was watching us at the fire. Because we were just standing on the fire, just talking, you know, our normal talking and messing around. And I didn't really expect anything. Most, I didn't expect anything to happen.

I'll tell you, most of the times you go out. up on these trips, I'd never expect anything to happen because there's a lot of trips where nothing happens. It's just quiet. It's just normal woods. But then once in a great while, it gets crazy. And that's, that keeps you going. It's awesome. Dude, that's, it's, it's so wild because it's like, I hear all these stories. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, what else? It's just, it's so crazy. This stuff. you hear and it's like what else could be doing that there's there's no explanation you know like everything everything you hear about bigfoot like the the whoops the knocks the screams

the foot pads on our road have experienced all that many times wow and i have nothing i have nothing to prove it just story so there there There is some stuff. I mean, obviously we have audio. Audio is audio, but. Right. Unless you see the animal doing it, you know, people on Facebook or different social media, well, how do you know it's that? You didn't see the animal make the noise.

Well, there's a pattern. And obviously, you have sonic visualizer. And there's frequencies. And Chris, Managahela and David Ellis, they can all recognize all the animal signatures. Chris doesn't even have to hear an animal. I can send him a picture from my phone of the spectrogram on my computer and he can tell me pretty much what animal it is. Really? That's how much audio he reviews.

He knows exactly what animals look like on the spectrogram. They all have their own signature. So has he identified what, let's say, do Bigfoot have certain spectrogram? Because you guys have seen so much audio. Have you started to see patterns with like the same sort of, you know, spectrogram visual from Bigfoot calls or anything of that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But there's a trade secret to that I can't talk about. There is something there. Oh, I love it. I love it. Oh, man. So that's cool because I'm sure maybe that'll be released someday, hopefully, if not. This secret that I just recently found out about this. This trade secret on a Bigfoot signature, those other guys don't want getting out

because they don't want people hoax in it, trying to hoax it. I don't think people could hoax it anyway unless they're playing a Bigfoot recording. but that's the thing. Yeah. This is why I want to go find all this stuff myself because you have to take people's word. And the things I'm telling you tonight, I would appreciate if people took my word,

but obviously they don't have to. They don't have to believe me. That's why I started doing everything myself to figure it out myself. That's what I encourage people to do. Because when you're there and you know there's no one else, in those woods with you and these things go on those those things you've recorded or the things

you've heard with your own ears or seen or tracks you cast you know there it's it's not a hoax or there's no people hoaxing you it's yours oh yeah and that's all i've ever that's all i've ever cared about i'm chasing down i want a full daytime sighting i want to look into the things eyes and i've been chasing you in that for years. Yeah. What do you think? It still hasn't happened

a matter of time. Yeah. Well, I mean, it seems like you're in the best possible area for it to happen and that it will happen someday. If you keep being persistent with going out with the O.P.,

you would think that it will happen, you know? Oh, yeah. You know how much field time Derek has and some of the stories he's got? I know he's got. got stories. I haven't talked to him yet, but I know he's got wild stories. Yep. Yep. And so is Shane. So is Chris.

Oh, yeah. Chris has some, I would think about this. Yeah, don't tell any stories of some other, because that I found is a thing where that's an unspoken rule within Bigfoot researchers is you don't tell the other guys stories because they don't know what they don't want being said. Yeah. Yeah. So good call. Good call. But there's enough, man. I'll tell you, there's there's enough going on. If there was nothing going on, you spend all these years doing this, I wouldn't keep wasting my time. Right. Because it's a lot of time off work, a lot of expense, a lot of gas, a lot of equipment. You know what I mean? I got you. Yeah, I got you, man. It's a huge investment. I love doing it. It's awesome. Okay, yep. I'm going to bring you back in. And all right, you're back. Cool. Oh, dude. Internet is being wild tonight, man. I love it. Let me, there we go. I got you. So, you know, in your personal opinion, what do you think it's going to take? for Bigfoot to be accepted, you know, as an actual creature, you know, nationwide, maybe by science,

maybe by, you know, the general populist. Well, unfortunately, I think it's going to take a body. Yeah. And it's been that way. Yep. I don't, I suppose, I'm not up on all the latest DNA stuff, but if you, if all these DNA tests keep coming back as contaminated human or or human. I've just wondered all these years if that was actually the thing we're chasing and it's that close to human that it comes up as human.

But like I said, I'm no expert. You're going to have to take a body or pieces of one and slap it on the table. Yep. Because I think you hit these scientists upside the head. Here's one right here. You know, it's frustrating. luckily this younger generation of scientists primatologists are more open to it i think yeah the door has been open a bit with different people but they still have to stay underground

for fear of repercussions at their job which i think is crap it's crazy i get to deal with it in my job and i'm not even a scientist you know right i get i get crap from people at work i've had people at work tell me you might want to you might not want to talk about the Bigfoot stuff at work. I said, I don't. People are coming to me with it. That's wild, dude. And I work in construction. It has nothing to do with any of it. It's like, give me a break. It's, it's irritating, man. I say, you think it's all crap. Go out. Let's go out. I'll take you camping and, you know, you can't guarantee anything, but you never know. You might have stuff change your mind.

You just got you got to be open to it for sure. Do you, are you a big reader of a Bigfoot books or? I used to be. Okay. Lately, you know, the last few years, not so much,

but I still collect a lot of books. Oh, cool. Do you have any recommendations? I always like to ask guests if they have. You know, there's, there's some that are,

are repeated, but I'm just curious. It's going to be the repeats. It's going to be the repeats. Yeah. Yeah, Meldrum's book, Krantz's book, John Green. You know,

they recommended it today. It's, I think Michael May's book from the NOAC, you know, area acts. Didn't do one. He just released a book. I think last week.

Yep. It's in my card. I just haven't bought it yet. Chris, I think he said it's three chapters in, and he said it's great. Wow. So because he says it doesn't start out with the guy trying to explain why these things could be real or, you know, trying to explain what they are. It just goes straight into

this is what's going on. This is what we found. It's kind of hard to me. Wow. I don't need people to tell me like this is what people think these things are or this is what we think. This is what we think could happen. I'm right past all that. Oh yeah, totally. I like I know more than these people writing. I want a book. I want to. So yeah. That's wild. So you, so you've been all over the place in California. You've been Washington, of course, you know, Pacific Northwest. Is there a place that you would like to go squatching in that you haven't gotten the chance to yet and you're just trying to make the connection? We're like a bucket list type thing.

I would love to go to Area X with no action. Dude. I know right. It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I mess up? What if I'm not ready? I see a whole highlight reel of everything I don't want to happen.

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Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's. I know some people in NOAC and I've never approached them about it. But if I was ever on vacation or heading towards Oklahoma or Texas, that's on my bucket list for sure. Yep. Oh, man.

To get into that area and research with some of those guys because I have a lot of respect for some of those guys just from assess film and knowing of seeing what they do on Facebook or

their writings, their thoughts on it. Because the way they think about it, even O.P. isn't pro-kill. I was pro-kill for years and then I came around I'm not pro-kill anymore myself I just don't care

I don't care to bring one in myself I think it's an ego thing even though I think that's what has to happen for science I'm not the person to do it like a lot of their thoughts and the stuff they've done in NOAC I have a lot of respect for so that that's my bucket list

I love to go there that's awesome Yeah, so, you know, if those guys are listening, make it happen. Wink. I'm sure they are. Yeah. That would be so legit. I mean, I think I was talking to Kathy Strain once, and the story she had of that place, oh, my goodness.

It's like, it feels like there's whole troops of Bigfoot in there. It's wild. So wild. I met Kathy in 2008 at that first day. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. I've known them for, I guess, 14 years now. Wow.

So, yeah. So we're talking about the NAWAC guys. And, you know, they've come out with different, you know, publications, et cetera. Is there, and if you can't talk about it, you can't talk about it, but are there plans for, like, for the OP to release, you know, findings that you guys have put together, or is that just not the really the goal of the group to spend time doing that? Not that I'm aware of. Okay.

I haven't heard any talk about that. No. No, no. No, I don't have any answer for that because no, nothing that I've heard from Shane or Derek. Oh, cool. yeah i'd like Derek speak on if you if you have Derek on you can ask him about any of that kind of stuff he's on the list which is like you have the list is so long Todd some people are like dude you're gonna run out of people to interview it's like no I'm not

I could go forever and I just have like at least 50 to 60 50 to 60 people that um I would want to have on those are the ones that would say yes you know so that's awesome um yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. When it comes to the stuff I'm doing and the public, I pretty much keep to myself, as far as Bigfoot goes. Gotcha, yep. Typically posed more pictures, it's the vest with my research. I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm not racing. So, no.

I mean, I just go with the flow. Ask me a question. I'll answer it. There you go. There you go. Todd, it has been a fun time chatting with you tonight. Do you mind taking a few minutes just to remind listeners of how they can keep up to date with, you know, what you're doing through the Olympic Project and all that good stuff? I guess you go to the website, Olympicproject.com, and I don't even know if I'm actually on there. but you can go you can hit it Shane on Facebook Derek on Facebook the Instagrams, Twitter,

all the usual social media type of stuff. Me, myself, I have people hit me up once in a while, but I'm more in the background. I got you. I know, I know your background guy. I don't like being in the forefront. Yep. Yeah. But I appreciate you coming on.

I know it's your background guy, but I still feel you've got a cool story to tell. So I appreciate you coming on, Todd. Thank you. All right. Well, Todd is going to hang out a little bit longer to talk with some of the Patreon members. But thanks again so much for coming on, Todd, and have a good night. Sure. All right, man.

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