Bigfoot Society - Something Roared Outside Her Tent in DAR State Forest

Episode Date: August 27, 2026

In 1993, Beth was completing Greenfield Community College’s Outdoor Leadership Program (OLP) when a required multi-day solo brought her deep into DAR State Forest in Goshen, Massachusetts.On her final night, footsteps approached her tent. Then came bright lights, deep voices, paralysis, and two massive roars she says vibrated through her teeth, jaw, and entire body. She never saw what was outside. More than 30 years later, she still wants to know what happened.Then we head into Northern Ontario with an experienced outdoorsman whose encounters include an enormous five-toed footprint, strange tracks crossing deep winter snow, massive calls moving along a remote lake, answering whistles, and something huge charging through the brush.His experiences continue into Northern California with unexplained knocks in the redwoods and a disturbing encounter among the giant sequoias.From Western Massachusetts to Northern Ontario and Northern California, Episode 1185 documents firsthand experiences that left these witnesses with questions they still cannot answer.📖 Follow Jeremiah's cancer health updates here:https://www.caringbridge.org/site/569ef3d3-68be-11f1-8790-97fdfd2bbc64🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072

You're listening to Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first-hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways, the stories come from everywhere. And each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his fight against cancer.

For more updates about his medical journey, please go to the Caring Bridge link in the show notes. Thank you. All right, Pickford Society. You've got the privilege of talking to experiencer Beth Jankelson today from out there in New England. Beth is a New England native and had a really interesting thing happen during the 90s, we'll hear about this, and this is close to the area of Massachusetts that I grew up in. It's relatively close to Northfield, so it's kind of close to Franklin County. So I'm pretty familiar with it, but just not this area.

But welcome to the show, Beth. How are you today? Thanks. I'm great, excited, and hopefully get to the bottom of what happened to me. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's a thing where I've done this show for, years and I have tried to talk to people from this area forever or I'm like maybe today is the day I'll get an email from this area and it's like you don't hear people just don't talk and I'm like

I know stuff is going on because I've heard stuff on the side and I'm like I know someone has a story so when I saw your email come in from just I mean this is like uh this area is like well west of Sunderland and Hathfield and over by Conway and Goshen and all that. But, you know, Beth, is there anything else that the listeners would need to know about you for context before we have you get into what happened? Just context of the story. 33 years ago, I was in an outdoor leadership program and it was winding up the end of it. We had to do this one more thing, which was a solo.

And that's what brought me to this incident, which I never saw anything. So I can't say it was Bigfoot. It was just some things that happened that were not like other stories that I've heard and some that were. Absolutely. There is, so I'm going to jump in here for a little bit. So when I saw in your email, you were talking about GCC Greenfield Community College and the outdoor leadership. program there, right? Yeah.

So there's a little bit that I haven't, I haven't told you yet because sometimes it's just good to talk about it in the interview. So I, I'm very familiar with that school. I know GCC well. It's a fun place. I'm a little bit of my schooling there. But I remember when I was a young trial, my dad was actually, he went through the, the, the same program at GCC.

No kidding. Yeah, not kidding at all. Now, it would have been, so OLP, now he would have been there in the 80s, but I remember hearing stories about Larry Buell, which you probably would know the same end of, like he was in charge of it. Is that right?

He, well, by the time I got there, he was more on the board. And I got to meet him. And his name was all over all of the paper. work, but he wasn't running it himself at that point. Gotcha. And, you know, hearing my dad talk about over the years, I'm like, man, there's got to be stories about people that went out with this, this program, because he would always talk about, like, the big deal was, like, going and having these, these, like, solo events. And, like, that's how, like, he got over, you know, he would get

over, like, fear of the woods or, like, fear of the dark. And I was like, there's got to be people that have experienced stuff out there. And he had this story. I remember, they, you know, it'd be like packing your backpack and the importance of knowing everything that was in there. And like, I think it was a thing where like they snuck in a brick at the bottom of the backpack. And it's like, you got to be aware of what's in your backpack because, you know, that's a lot of extra weight. Something like that. It's been, we used to go hiking on the Appalachian Trail. But I digress. a little bit. So, Beth, when I saw your email come through and I was like, oh, I knew there was something

with this program. That explains you were so out over the top excited to hear about it, which was great for me. It was so validated. But something seemed a little off about it. And now it makes sense. Now I have the context. Exactly. Perfect sense.

Exactly. That is wonderful. So, yeah. So take us through what happened. to you during this solo event and maybe there might be even some listeners that are not aware of what the area was like or even what a solo camping event would entail? The DAR State Forest and Goshen Mass is where our leader chose for us. There were three of us in this one spot, but we had to separate and spread way out.

So when I checked in with them the next day, nobody heard anything. Okay. And how far away from these other individuals were you? I don't really know because we all found our spots separately. So if we were in earshot, it was barely earshot. Gotcha. So yeah, let's get right into it. You are in by yourself in an area.

How were you feeling being by yourself? Was it a thing where you were using it to get over some fears that you had? Or were you perfectly comfortable with the woods at that time? It was a prerequisite. It was the last skill that we had to master before we graduated from this program. So this brings us to May because graduations in like the first week or second week of June. So it's mid-May, somewhere around there. It's still cold at night.

And I was not really looking forward to this. I wasn't a huge camper when I went into the outdoor leadership program, and I certainly never soloed anywhere. But we had a choice between either doing a three-day fast and a sweat lodge or do the solo. And I didn't want to do any fasting, so I chose the solo. along with two other cohorts of mine. So we get driven in and left off in the DAR State Forest Parking Lot. For some reason, Kate gives, that's the director,

gives me the walkie talkie, which is not, it's not really connected to anything, so it sort of gave me a false sense of security. But I was, you know, I was excited to try it and to succeed because all the things that I had accomplished the rest of that year were things that I absolutely did not think I could accomplish and did. So I was on some kind of high from what I had just gone through, like hanging 600 feet off of a cliff and belaying somebody up another pitch. You know, you figure you can do that. You can do just about anything, but little did I know.

So all goes well for the first three days, and on the last night, this is when it happened. So I'm sitting up in bed. It's about 10.30-ish, I'm thinking. I'm reading a book. This is the only part I don't remember is what that book was. Everything else is burned into my memory. So I'm reading, and I notice through my tent, and I'm reading by headlamp, by the way, I noticed through my tent up in the upper right left-hand corner, I can see two headlights coming in through what must be the dirt road that we all drove in on.

And I'm kind of surprised because I thought I was way, way, way off of the bath or, you know, anywhere anyone would see me. So I instantly think, well, if I can see their headlights, they might be able to see my tent lit up with my headlamp from above. And that's like a beacon. So I shut everything off and I just got really quiet. And, you know, I'm feeling pretty confident that this is just going to be over soon and I'm going to go back to reading. So it feels like about 10, 20 minutes or so go by. And I'm sitting in the tent in the pitch black, very few bugs, not a lot of noise around me. I can kind of hear everything.

And all of a sudden I start hearing footsteps from 100 yards away or so. And I think, okay, no big deal. They've scared something. and it's walking through the woods, only it's coming towards me, and I can tell that it's bipedal. And I know that you can't always tell. Sometimes listening to a horse, which is obviously four-legged, it sounds like two-legged. So, you know, being in the dark alone and vulnerable plays tricks on you. But the footsteps start coming closer.

They're headed right for me, and I'm kind of freaking out now because not only am I in-bed name, which is how I like to sleep, but also I have no weapons. I'm all alone. It's pitch black. They've got a flashlight. They're headed towards me. And I think to myself, I'm going to bark like a dog because I can make a pretty convincing dog sound. So I take a breath and I inhale a breath to go make this dog sound. And I come to find out my body is completely paralyzed. And this freaks me out because I don't understand what's going on. And the only thing I can do is blink. And they're still coming towards me. I feel like I can hear murmuring and deep male voices,

but I can't make out any words or anything. And before I know it, they are right up to my tent, and I am freaking out. And the flashlight or this light source that they had, they start shining it on the straight edges or the same. seams of the tent and it's illuminating the whole inside of the tent green because that's the color of the tent and i remember looking over with my eyes i can read the book that is now beside me and i think this is going to be the worst of it with my heart banging in my ears and then comes a roar and now when i say a war i am not talking about a screen because that's high-pitched

And I am not talking about a growl. I know what a growl sounds like. This was a roar that came from a chest cavity the size of a Volkswagen bus. Had I been outside in front of this thing, I could imagine my hair waving back like a cartoon. And the thing that I remember most was that I could see in the light of the tent, my eyelashes were trembling in rhythm to this roar. and I could feel it in my teeth and my jaw and kind of everywhere in my body. And I do not know what kept my bladder full and why I didn't evacuate my bowels at that time

because I've never been so afraid and so clearly vulnerable in my life. And I'm doing that breathing, you know, that little tinsie breathing in the middle of your chest where it's not really making sounds, but you're afraid to make too much of a deep breath because you're terrified they'll hear it. And as this is all happening, they start walking to behind me now, shining the light again on all the straight edges, and then I get this other roar now behind me. And I'm just beyond, like my brain has gone completely offline.

It cannot even process what's happening as they walk over to my right now, and they shine the light on the long sides of the tent. And all of a sudden, I don't know. where this came from it. I don't know if it was in my head. It was definitely not out loud. I don't know if it came from me or them or what, but I got this message loud and clear, run. And I thought I was already up to the most amount of horror that I could possibly feel, but it got even higher at that point because there was no way I could run. My body would never have held me up. My knees would have just buckled immediately. And it doesn't really matter because I was paralyzed anyway. And so there was, like you're, I'm sitting here doing it now,

my hand slapping my forehead, which is what would have happened had I not been paralyzed. And I just kind of went all internal and all hope faded because I knew at a cellular level that tonight was my last night on earth. And I just went, God, please help me. God, please help me. God, please help me. And then I opened my eyes, and it was pitch black. It was, I think it was quiet. All I could hear was a helicopter, which I came to realize very quickly was the blood rushing in my ears from my heartbeat, which sounded like the walk, walk, walk, walk of a helicopter

blades. And I just sat there and listened. The light was completely gone. There was no sound. There were no bugs, no breeze, nothing. And I was not on my back, which is how I remembered starting. I was now perched on an elbow, half on my stomach with one arm, like, my left arm supporting me. I don't know.

I just, I actually stayed in that position all night. After about 10 minutes when I realized that I was now alone, I started crying, kind of hysterically, but trying still to make no noise because I didn't know if they were there and if they were coming back. And I stayed awake and so vigilant. It was not funny. I think I strained my ears. And I remember seeing the light come up on the horizon. And I must have fallen asleep because the next thing I knew, the walkie-talkie was crackling and it was Kate on Milwaukee.

And she said, good morning. and I got on the walkie-talkie. The first thing I said was, something terrible happened to me. And I told her the story when we met, I remember collapsing in her arms and crying and crying and still shaking quite a bit. I think I shook for about three days, and it took me about three weeks to,

I got it right now, too. It's so funny. I'm so back there. You know, you could just feel the adrenaline and cortisol all just surging through your veins from all of that. And that's my story. That's what happened. And Kate thought it was a nightmare, a night terror.

She said it's very common for women on solos to have it because we are so vulnerable. And I've had night terrors before, but 10 minutes and you're like, oh, okay, I know that was a night terror. And you go back to sleep. And that's not what this was. This was something so visceral and real and assaulted. I felt assaulted for about three weeks. Right. And had my tears.

And I am so sorry you had to go through. Man, that's really, really intense. Was there anything outside? Did you notice anything outside your tent the next morning? I did look. The tent was untouched. I was on some hard-packed surface. It turned out it was an old, I think it might have been either a railroad trestle that had collapsed or a bridge abutment or something. So it was kind, it was really hard-packed like, yeah, I can't even think of the word right now, but it didn't leave any tracks. There were no broken branches. I looked down the direction that I heard them coming in. There wasn't a trail or anything. Beth, I've been in that situation.

A similar situation in Iowa. I'm just going to share real quick just because maybe some listeners haven't heard it. I've been in a solo camping out in the middle of woods in Iowa for a few nights. The second night, something was walking around my tent at 3 a.m. The next morning I got out of the tent,

and there was a plastic fork on the picnic table with a squirrel tail through the tines of it. And I was like, I got freaked out. So, man, I got questions. I got questions for you. This is, I can't imagine living through what you lived through in that type of situation. Because you're also, I would imagine, amped up because like this is the last goal. This is the last hurdle before you get through this program, which is a super intense program. Were you still able to graduate the program?

Oh, I did graduate, yes. Okay. Absolutely. And I worked in the field for the next 30 years. Oh, good for you. Oh, man. Yeah. I never solo camp again, though.

I was going to ask, how did this affect your, you being able to be in the woods? And I know it affects, it can affect a lot of people living through something like that. Well, it definitely had a huge impact on me. I've always said there's only two things in the world that I'm afraid of. And one is ground wasps and the other is men. And because I don't know what this thing was, I thought even maybe they were playing a prank on us and they did it to everybody,

but nothing could duplicate that roar. And it didn't come from a megaphone, although it was that loud, but you'd hear clicks. and you'd hear the mechanical component of a megaphone. There's just no hiding that. So now I have like one more thing to be afraid. Actually, you know what? I'm going to take it back because, and somebody had to point this out to me.

When I prayed to God, and I am not a religious person at all, in some way it saved me, right? I prayed to God and then everything went away. And if it was Bigfoot, it didn't do anything more than intimidate me, although on an incredibly intense level. And when I watch your show and all the other shows, very rarely do they actually ever attack anybody? So it didn't really add any component of fear to the whole. You know, it just really illustrates.

the intense vulnerability of a person alone and a woman alone and it was it was so eye-opening on such a level that I had never experienced that before

and it does something to your psyche it does it really does and I'm not quite sure how to it man it it makes you look at everything totally different when you experience

something like that. It does. It makes you vigilant for preparation. Yes. Yes, 100%. Like, you realize you are the only one out there that can, like, you need to be prepared. Yes. In more ways than you were realized. Yeah. Yeah. On some levels, that was the ultimate challenge in an outdoor leadership program.

But nobody else had that experience. I asked my two other compatriots. if they heard that roar because there's no way. It was like a train. It was that loud. You know, when a train whistle blows, only this was like right next to me. There's no way they couldn't have heard it. So I don't know what happened. And I'm hoping that by sharing my story, someone else will go, oh, yeah, that sounds exactly

like what happened to me. And then maybe I'll have more answers. I really hope so. and that was actually a question I was going to ask. So I'm glad you just answered it, which the other two females did not have any experience similar to what you experienced, which,

man, that really, that really makes you wonder because it's like, well, one was a female and one was a man. But either of them had anything like that, nothing like that, and they didn't hear anything.

I think one of them said they had a weird dream that was incredibly vivid, but that's it. Now that's something right there, Beth. Sometimes that kind of thing is connected to this phenomenon, and that would be interesting. Sometimes, you know, as you said, becoming paralyzed,

that's something you hear over and over. Sometimes vivid dreams, that does come up quite a bit when I'm talking to people as well. The murmuring of voices where you keep, can't really understand what they're saying. You hear that a lot. Even the lights you mentioned,

they were kind of like flashlights, but sometimes in these encounters, you even, you know, there's lights randomly in the woods. That's hard to tell. Do you about orbs? Yeah, exactly. The orbs, exactly.

This would have to be a very, very, very bright orb, like headlamp. Okay. I mean, from a car headlamp. Gotcha. It makes you wonder, have you ever been back to that forest again? No, that's a good question. I don't know if I could find this, but that's 33 years ago.

Right. Which would be, would that be 93? Is that right? Yep. That's the year I graduated, yeah. Oh, my goodness. I was in third grade in Brattleboro. Third grade in Brattleboro.

Did you go to the high school? No. And this is this is a rabbit trail for a minute. I went to a small private school across the street from the skating rink called Christian Heritage. And it was now it's like a preschool. They turned it into like if it's even a building anymore. I mean. Across from the skating rink at the park?

Yeah. It's over there by that park. There was a small private school. Yeah, a small private religious school. Oh, there's elementary school in the back there. Okay. Across the street. Yeah.

That's cool. Was it brick? Yes. Yes, it was brick. Yeah. Yes. I imagine that's where it was. Oh, that's funny.

Yeah, that's what it was. Have you ever looked to see if there's any other. Bigfoot experiences that have happened in this area? My best friend did after I told her the story. I had really like forgotten about the story completely until, but I'm really into Bigfoot. Oh, I hope I get to show, share with you how I became a believer because it's different from everybody else. Okay.

But I digress. But my, so my good friend Googled, the D.A.R. campground area and uh not campground the state park and there are some stories about vibrational noises very loud vibrational noises some stuff about big foot nothing like what i reported okay that's really interesting vibrational noises um hmm that i'll have to see if i can find that i was doing a little bit of looking myself um like the bfro database uh Their stuff reported on the Seven Sisters Holyoke Range, like over by South Hadley and Amherst. Really?

On the M&M trail, you're aware of that one, probably. Something paste them on both sides of the trail for 45 minutes, whistles, whoops. That was back in August 2020. Research is also showing... Jonathan Wilk is a pretty well-known Bigfoot research. researcher in Massachusetts. He has a Squattsch, and he has, I believe, a number of cases from that area. And that's like, I think that area is like 20, 25 miles southeast of DAR. So when you get like other citing reports in a pretty close area to where you are, I mean, it's, I don't think

it's out of the question as well. And I mean, that DAR, if you look on it a map, I mean, it's just kind of like gateway to the gateway to western mass and western mass is some really really weird stuff but you mentioned that you have an interesting story about how how you got to to believe in bigfoot yes this is coming from somebody that is a long-term experienced animal communicator and a horse person lifelong um experience with horses so i just i have to give you that as a little bit of a background. So, and this pertains to the Patterson Gimlin film. So when I first saw the stuff about Bigfoot, it was just the, that little

clip of the female Bigfoot way across the sand dunes looking back, and that's the only clip that they ever showed. And then I don't know why all of a sudden some other program came on and they showed the entirety of the Gimlin film. And it starts with before they've dismounted. And the horses see something first. And one of them rears throws Bob Gimlin, I think it is. And again, these are lifelong riders.

Those horses were so afraid. I have never seen horses that afraid. Now, I know they're stupid. and they react and they're, you know, their prey animals. And so they are instinctively going to react rather than it be a lion. But I've never seen the kind of crazy-eyed fear that these horses showed in that footage that convinced me, it was the horses that convinced me that that thing was real. And up to that point, I was like, that can't be.

There's just no way. and the things that they say they can do in the mind speak. I was like, oh, this is stupid. I'm going to have a Bigfoot's baby. You know, that's what it was in that camp. But when I saw the horses, I remember sitting there, Slackjod going, it's real. And that turned the whole,

turn the tables around completely. And then I was a, I started doing a lot of research. And then when it, you know, when we got YouTube and, phones and stuff obsessively search because I want to know more. Were you referencing the National Inquirer like old article from back in the day

where it's like it was something on TV. Oh really? Okay. It was either in search of with Leonard DeVoy or one of the missed the well what were those unexplained it was

it was a long time ago it was early 70s when I I saw it when the, when the entirety of the film was still around. I don't think you never see it in entirety. I can't say that in a sentence. You never see it in entirety anymore. I don't know if it's chopped up, put away, or whatever, but that bit of information doesn't seem interesting and relevant to anybody,

except for me, who knows when an animal is scared beyond any rational means. So a few things, but it's definitely still relevant. And at least the community, I mean, there's a whole like side thing where there's this doc coming out and people are like, oh, what's going to happen? Anyways, maybe we'll see that. Maybe we won't. But what you brought up, I don't think I've ever had anyone brought up, bring up on the show before, which is really interesting is how you noticed how the horses reacted. And, I mean, that's something you really can't fake is, I would assume, right? The horses don't lie.

Yeah. You know, they're instinctive run away from danger, creatures, and these horses wanted nowhere to be nowhere near that thing. And they, like I said, they saw it first. And I've seen horses react when deer come through or bear come through. And yeah, they're scared, but this was stupid scared. And horses do get stupid scared. true, but it was something in their faces. They only caught their faces for a second, and I, I, I just knew. Gotcha. So, so your answer to how, how you got to believe in Bigfoot is, is watching that film, the PG film, through the eyes of someone who is a lifelong horse, horse enthusiast.

Yes. Okay. That's awesome. I love that. That was the moment. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Before this event in DAR Forest, had Bigfoot ever been brought up? I mean, I know growing up in New England in Franklin County, I mean, the only time I ever really heard about Bigfoot as a young kid was seeing like the Patterson game on film in search of rerun. So I'm curious, did it ever come up for you in any way or even like in your training or? Oh, no, we didn't talk about it at all in the training. That was, and there were books every now and then that someone would have in their personal library. But I didn't, I didn't really, it was hard to dig up information, I guess. I guess I could have gone to the library. Lexington had a great library.

But I didn't really search it out. I didn't really start searching it out until, probably a couple of years ago when I started really listening for like whenever you heard the, you must have heard the Sierra sounds. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. Absolutely. That is a classic type.

That makes, makes my spine just hurt. But I'm looking for somebody who has a recording of that war that I heard. Hmm. So I'm curious because I have a similar experience. So I've, I can imagine you've tried to find something that's similar to that roar, right? Yeah. Have you been able to find anything that's similar to it?

On Jurassic Park. Oh. Okay. Just like a dinosaur. The T-RX. Like a digital, yeah, a digital war. It was that quality. That's interesting.

That size chest cavity. That's really interesting because I, so I've experienced. the roar once out in the Willamette National Forest in Oregon. And I've never been able to find anything that even comes close to it. But I'm going to... Am I describing the roar you heard, do you think? I think it's similar. I mean, the thing that was different about mine was it wasn't like really close, but it was still loud.

Like if that, whatever that was was right up next to us, it would have it would have blown us away. and our hair would have been back like in a cartoon kind of, you know, it feels like it would have been that loud. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this was right outside the turn, yeah. Okay, my goodness. I'll have to listen to T-Rex roars again and think about that. So, lifelong, just curious, what does an animal communicator do? my take on it is it's probably very similar to someone who can read human body language it's basically reading body language

and knowing what the signs mean like for instance if a horse has its head really high it has very high anxiety and a horse that's head is very low has very low anxiety it's probably about to roll you have to know those kind of context because a horse that's going to roll is very vulnerable to a big predator. So it has to feel safe. And it's all linked in horses, it's all hardwired. So if the horse's head gets high, it's going to get a big reaction just like, and we even have some hardwired things. Like if you smile, you can increase dopamine and oxytocin in your own body.

It's hardwired. So you learn to read those cues and they become kind of microscopic. And you just get, in my case, I get sent pictures, flash pictures. My horse once was acting all nervous once. And I asked him what was wrong. And he sent me a picture of a red fox. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's just so convenient. You know, even I don't even believe my own mind sometimes.

And two seconds later, a red fox came trotting down the hill. So it's one of those things that plays out and is validated in real-life instances so that you know that you're not making it up and you're not going crazy, that kind of thing. So an animal communicator just can communicate with animals. I can't do it with all animals and I can't do it with all species but when I can, it's kind of

magical. When did that first start for you? Oh, as a child, I've always had it. I had kind of crazy parents and I knew that they were kind of crazy even when I was little. So I spent a lot of time outside playing with toads and animals and stuff, which is how I knew I wanted to go

into the outdoor leadership program as a career and a school choice. So I really bonded with animals and the natural world, not so much with people. So I've always been able to do it. I think more when I was little than I am now, because now you're editing everything in your head and judging everything.

And that's the one thing that you have to do, when you want to communicate is you've got to drop the judgment. It's fascinating. You like shut down the part of your brain that that logically kicks in when you experience something that shouldn't happen or something shouldn't be there, right? Yeah. Yeah. You're like, you're just making that up.

So. He's wishful thinking. Right. When, so did your parents also have things they would experience? It's sometimes you'll have. an individual that will be sensitive in certain ways and it's actually it seems to be like a it'll run through genetics it's very very interesting and you don't have to get into that definitely if you don't need to but that's just something I've found over the years is you know if you

ask the question an individual that you know is sensitive to be like oh well you know my my grandma I used to be doing things that were weird too. My sister, my sister and I in the 70s, it was huge to do ESP, and there were some shows on it. And we used to practice, and we were actually, we got over 50% correct answers, which was weird. So only that. I never asked my parents if they believed in Bigfoot.

I don't think. Gotcha. Nothing like that. ESP is like when it's like what's on the card that you can't see. Is that right? Yeah, or you are sending thoughts from one person to another. That's the mind speak thing.

That's what I think is when people talk about the mind speak with Bigfoot. It just stands for extrasensory perception. So it's just an ability to be extra perceptive about those tiny little microscopic expressions and muscle movements that translate into a meaning. That's interesting. Do you think what you experienced during that encounter was some form of telepathy, or do you have any thoughts about that? Where you get the meshes just like run?

I don't know where that came from. You know how sometimes your own mind will do that to you? Your self-preservation will be just whatever, duck right now, the ball. always, you know, you get a line drive to your head, and you don't know where it comes from. And I don't know where that came from. It was just there, just run. Very clear. We are tuned, and some people are way more tuned in than others.

That feeling that you're being stared at when, from behind, that's a real thing. There's a book written about that. Oh, really? You can actually pick up on that kind of energy coming at you. Yeah, man, my dad had a really cool collection of books that I believe he probably picked up during the OLP program because I, there are some cool stuff in there. There was like the Tom Brown books. I don't know if you ever read Tom Brown books. I think that was the book I was reading in my tent.

I really do. I honestly don't remember what it was. That's wild. Yeah, but I, tracker, I'm pretty sure that was the book I brought with me. That's such a good book, too. Trackers are also the Foxfire books. Those were fun to read. I don't know if you ever read those.

Yeah, those are good. I never read them, but I definitely perused them. Yeah. So after, you said that after this, then you worked for a long time. actually were you working with the OLP program or you're just using your skills like talking to or communicating with animals and things like that? Oh, that's just sort of, I didn't make a career out of that. I just do that. Okay. I do have a pet sitting business now and I certainly use it now, but I forget what the

question was again. I'm sorry. So yeah, after after you graduated from OLP, how did you you end up using those skills that you had gotten? Right. Yeah. Gotcha. Well, I worked for Camp Dakota for about seven years. Okay. Different other camps back in Boston.

I worked in some climbing gyms. For 12, 13 years, I was the Adventure Education Director for Landmark College up here in Putney. and boy, that's another story. The minute I got on campus and got that job, everybody went, Beth, you are so ADHD because it's a college for ADHD and dyslexics, right? Exactly. So that was where I got diagnosed. Oh, wow.

And that was another big thing that changed a whole lot in my life. And it's so ironic because my mother put your seatbelt on for this was a special education teacher, and I didn't ever get diagnosed. until the day I walked into Lamar College and they're like, you're so classically ADHD. That's fascinating. I'm laughing just because I'm, the odds of me being undiagnosed are probably 100% just because of different. Well, welcome to the community. It's a wonderful community. Exactly. And I have to say, having ADHD as a kid sucked, but as an adult, it kind of helps.

Yeah, it does. It really does. You learn so many tricks and skills to overcome it. You really do. Is Camp Dakota out in New England as well? Richmond, New Hampshire. Oh, yeah, totally. That's cool. There's a lot of Bigfoot stuff in southern New Hampshire.

I don't know if you've ever looked at all. Yes, yes, there is, yeah. Oh, that's actually a good question. So you have the experience, you realize, you start believing in Bigfoot through the PG film, then did you start, some people will be like, okay, Bigfoot's out there, that's cool. Some people really get into it and being like,

oh, I want to look out, look up all the different Bigfoot stuff around my area. Did that happen to you at all? Did you start going on your little knowledge quests around the area? I wonder if Bigfoot's had stuff here or here. Did you ever go down that trail? I wasn't so much looking for, big foot experiences where I was in my area.

I was just more looking up the data. Like I fell in love with Jeff Meldrum and just listened and read everything I could get my hands on because he's got the credibility. He's just a decent guy. He's a great speaker. Was, unfortunately. It's my big regret is I never got to meet Jeff. I didn't either. Yeah.

Yeah. But I wasn't. I think I didn't want to know that there were Bigfoot incidences near me because I want to remain a little bit ignorant on it because it's, as it fascinating as it is, it also brings a lot of anxiety and fear with it. So I think I've been looking more in other places. now I'm starting to get more interest in what's around me since the since kind of discovering you and that you were looking for stories from this area. I didn't think there were any stories from this area, but there are. There are, yeah. Surprisingly, so just as we said before, not a lot of people from New England like to talk about.

stuff, which is, that's perfectly fine. But yeah, the more, the more I do this, like, I've talked to people that have seen stuff in Agawam, surprising enough, all corners of the Coabin, a lot of stuff around the Cochabin, which is really not surprising. And then the Cobble Mountain Reservoir is a really, is a wild, wild place. There's that. So it's like, you know where Westfield is? Westfield, near Springfield? Yeah, so you got Springfield and Westfield. If you go west of Westfield, when it turns into the woods, like Granville and stuff,

there's this Cobble Mountain Reservoir in that area. Talk to a few people about that area. There's a lot, a lot of Bigfoot activity that happens over there. Yeah, so that might be something to look into. But, man, also another plug. If listeners know of anything. that has happened in Franklin County or any of the areas we talked about

or even DAR Forest, I would love to talk to you if you could send me an email at Bigfoot Society, gmail.com. I know there's stuff happening in Northfield. I know it. Well, maybe I'll be the catalyst for some people coming forward. Maybe. Everyone has their own time. But, Beth, what a fascinating conversation. I'm glad that you were still able to graduate from the OLP program is a great program.

I hope they're still doing it. I don't know if it's still an active program, but I would say... It is. Oh, it is. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's great.

I would recommend, you know, if listeners are in that area of Greenfield, Massachusetts, and they're wanting to, like, really get into nature and get some serious skills, you need to look into the OLP program in Greenfield, Massachusetts. It is incredible from what I've heard over the years. So I, and it's, I went to college there for a few years in high school and it was a while. Nice. Me too. I stayed on to GCC a couple of years after the OLP, just because I love the college and the people that were there and just a wonderful little community.

It is. It's a fun time. Beth, I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you had come on the show to share today. Absolutely. Awesome. And more. And more. Hey, there you go.

Perfect. Thank you, Jeremiah. This was very validating. And it was wonderful talking with you. Good luck with your show and your health. Thank you so much. Hi there. How are you?

Hey, how's it going, man? Hey, doing good. Feel free to share what's going on, man. Okay. Well, like, where do you want me to kind of begin? Let's start at, I think all good stories start at the beginning. All right. I, okay.

I mean, look, like, I'm sure with most people, like, I think, you know, when you start hearing about this stuff, you're like, oh, I don't know, you know, it's kind of like a joke, whatever. And, yeah, I mean, it was kind of like that too, right? Like, I had seen some stuff online and I'm like, I mean, it would be cool if that's real, but, like, I never really, like, put any thought into it. And then, yeah, and then just, like, randomly, like, this one time I'm going hiking, with a buddy and right in the middle of a trail we see this like giant like print right and it literally looks like i don't know like Shaquille o'neill's like bare footprint bigger but bigger like i have a

size 12 i put it next to it and it was like not even close you know um so yeah we're both kind of like dumbfounded right we're looking around we see nothing else like i don't see another print and this is like right in the middle of the trail. So I found that weird. And I think at that point, and again, like, there's been a lot of things that have happened since then. And my timelines are kind of mixed up. So I can't remember now, like, off the top of my head, like, what happened first or whatever.

But that's obviously memorable. I'll just say it's Northern Ontario, Canada. Gotcha. When that happened. But I've had other experiences also in California. because I go back and forth sometimes. Anyway, so yeah, so later on on that hike where we saw the print, so we're kind of up on, so we reached like this lookout, right?

It's like in the middle, this is a loop trail. It's about, I'd say like eight miles, let's say. And around the middle there's this cool lookout, right, where you're kind of looking down at lakes and stuff like that because it's like lake country up there. And when we get to the top, we're like exhausted, right? This is again, halfway through. So maybe four miles in, a little bit of incline.

And we're just sitting there. We're like, all right, let's just like stay quiet and just like take it all in. Let's like lay down and just like chill out for a bit to ourselves, have a moment. Because we're talking the whole way up anyway. So we want to like take it all in. And when we do that like a minute into just sitting there and like not meditating, but just chilling out and being quiet. We literally hear like it's like something is like,

walking around like around us. So I'm thinking immediately bear, you know, but you know, so we start we're like, we're freaked out, right? We have our hiking poles and we're like ready for something, but we're like backed up to the cliff, right? So we're kind of worried. We're like, if this is a bear and it charges us, like we're going off the cliff, you know. So anyway, so we're like talking, we're like trying to make sure we're like, hey, bear, you know, whatever, all that kind of stuff. but this is so weird because like a bear usually i don't think it would sound like that this literally sounded like a dude walking step by step by step very slowly and like um meticulously you know what i mean and we couldn't see anything but it was like kind of loud you know and i'm looking around the

bushes i don't see anything he doesn't my buddy doesn't see anything and then it just like goes it stops right and we're like, okay. And then, you know, so we were freaked out and we kind of just like start making our way out as quickly as we can. And that was kind of that. We haven't really talked about. I mean, I've asked my buddy. I'm like, hey, like, do you remember that, you know?

And he's just like, he's like, yeah, that was weird, you know, but he doesn't really, like, talk about it much. So that was that. And then any questions so far? Should I keep going? So that was all in northern Ontario? Mm-hmm. Yeah, that was the same.

trail. Okay. Did you anything smell weird up there? I didn't notice a smell or anything that time, but then there's also like you pass by swamps and it can smell a little different down there before you get to the top. So I can't recall any smells or anything.

Were there any, so the prints that you saw, did you notice any weird details about them? I mean, it's just like a huge, it looked like a giant bear. It just just a huge bare foot like you can clearly see like toes you know what i mean it wasn't it wasn't like a bare double print like i've seen tons of bear prints in my life you know i know i know know the difference yeah yeah how many toes did it have it was like human that had like five

you know like it's like like ours just giant you know no absolutely and it was like deep in you know like um and the heel was fat too like the heel wasn't like it didn't narrow out like the humans it was more fat but it was like deep compressed and it like you know it was a pretty dry day so this might have been old i don't know but yeah it was it was huge man there's been more stuff in ontario too um okay so this other time uh i'm trying to think because there's two things there's another track story okay yeah so this now it's like winter right and i don't know if you i don't know where do you live or do you live where there's uh yeah well central iowa so we get snow yeah All right. Well, Northern Ontario, like when you go up there on the side of the roads, it gets, the snow gets deep, like real deep. Like when you pull off into like a logging road to go, you guys call it BLM land up there. They call it Crownland. Okay. It's the same thing. Got it. And so, you know, when you go out there to try and find whatever, you know, a spot to camp, anyway, in the winter, the sides of the, it will be plowed for a little bit depending on what's going on in that area. But then after that, you need, like,

like snowmobiles. Anyway, so I'm driving up north because, you know, I'm just, I love to drive. So I'm just up there and I'm like, okay, I'm going to turn off this road and just like see what's going on and just chill. Take a little break. So I pull off onto this road and it's just like an iced out because it's been plowed. And the sides, you got to imagine there's like snow banks that are like real high, right? And there's nothing but forest on each side. And like, you know what like a wintry forest looks like. Like you can kind of just bear, there's no leaves left anymore. So you can kind of see deep into the forest. But in the summer, you wouldn't see like 10 feet, you know.

Anyway, so I'm looking out the side, right? At that point, like I used to smoke. I'm having a cigarette. And then I look out to one side and I see these like these tracks that look like almost like a snowshoe or something. But it's weird because like there's nothing there. There's no trails, nothing. And I'm like, okay, whatever. And then I look to the other side and I look of the road and it looks like they continue on the other side.

And it's more clear to see on the other side. But they're like far apart, single file and huge. And this is deep snow. Like no human can walk there. And even if you had snow shoes, the snow shoes would like kick up a little bit of snow when you're walking. So it wouldn't be that clear. Like you're just like post-holing in. You know what I mean?

Like when you step in snow and your foot falls through. Oh yeah. It's kind of, yeah, yeah. So if you're walking with snow shoes, that doesn't really happen. Like you kick up a bit of snow. It leaves a bit of a trail. This was nothing like that, right? This is just like huge hole, a bit of space, huge hole.

And immediately I'm thinking, okay, like maybe it's like a fox jumping, you know, how they hunt. Or if it's like a rabbit or something like that. But this was too big. And it continued from one side of the road to the other. and then just off into the distance. Like I couldn't see it anymore. So I'm like, okay, like this is weird, right? Anyway, but again, this is like before I even like was into this subject, right?

So I didn't even know what I was looking at at the time. Like I'm recalling all this stuff like after the fact, right? But now that I look back, I'm like, that was so freaking weird. And then I looked it up online and I saw these like snow prints in Russia that look almost exactly the same. I don't know if you've seen that picture. No, that sounds really interesting though. Yeah, if you look up online, just put like, I don't know, like Bigfoot or Sasquatch tracks Russia in the snow. It'll probably come up and like it looked like that, right?

Okay, so that's like number two in northern Ontario. The third thing is, and this was like probably the weirdest. So we're up camping in this like crown land, right, which is BLM land. And in order to get there, you need, it's only, you can only access this spot. by water so basically we get dropped because there's a marina at this main lake and then it drops you off deep right like you you you can paddle there too but like it takes hours to paddle so we just chose to get ferried out there and dropped off and then they come pick you up in a few days anyway so we get dropped off as soon as like we land there and this is after now now time has passed so I'm already

into like the bigfoot subject right like I've already like looked into things things a bit. So there's certain things that I like recognize or I think I recognize. Anyway, we get dropped off. Okay, before I continue, sorry, man. I know this is a little all over the place. But like when it comes to like what's your belief on this stuff? Like are you kind of like flesh and blood thing or do you think there's like we're paranormal? Like what's going on with you? So what I think is I go off of what I've experienced and I think we're dealing with something that is, let me just say the whole thing so it's something that can leave tracks but it can do weird stuff that science can't explain because i've experienced some weird stuff that science can't explain

um so yeah you can find tracks but also there's something out there where if you say hey make a noise it makes a noise back to you you know what i mean right um so that that's where i'm at gotcha okay Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, so we get dropped off at this like remote camping spot, I guess, you can call it. It's just like a cleared out area next to a lake. And so it's a river basically. And then this is like five guys. Anyway, so we're camping. And then that night. Oh, sorry. So as soon as we land, I see like this weird like green marble in the middle of like where we get dropped off. Right. And it's like why that I'm not going to put too much stock into that because like I guess somebody could bring that camping but it's really weird like I don't know why anybody would bring marbles camping there's like a weird marble thing right anyway I don't touch it or anything I just like look at it I'm like okay that's weird whatever anyway first night goes by nothing uh second night it's like drizzling we're all going to bed and I hear in the distance it sounds like I can't make it out it's like and this is across the lake but

far down and i hear what i think it sounds like a hound dog or something it's like who who who like and i don't know what it is and i'm like okay that's weird and is drizzling we're all in our tents i i'm usually the last one to sleep right like i don't sleep easily so everyone's passed out for sure after you know some drinking and all that anyway so i hear it down there and it's moving closer so it makes the sound and then literally like 10 15 seconds later you hear the sound and it's making it's making its way closer and then again closer and then again closer and as it's getting closer now i'm like okay that isn't a dog or a hound dog first of all there's no like cabins back there there's no trails on the opposite side of the river this is like barren land so i'm like what is that you know and as

it's getting closer i'm like hey that sounds kind of like an owl okay and i've heard about the owl stuff and this is kind of like it matches up right but this didn't sound like an owl like it sounded like a like 800, it was huge dude. Like it sounded so weird. It was like who, who, who, who, who, who. Like, imagine like there. Imagine like a big, like, dude is like trying to mimic an out. Like, that's kind of like what I'm thinking it sounded like, right?

And anyway, so imagine it across the lake far. I first hear it and it's coming closer. 10, 20 seconds later. I hear it again closer. I hear it again closer. I hear it again coming closer. I hear it one last time when it's directly across from where we're camping. So across this wide river on the opposite side of the land,

directly across from our campsite. I hear it one last time. And then I hear one little sharp whistle behind where we're camping on our side. And I'm like, what is going on? Like, so it's in my mind at that point, I'm like, something is like literally, like thinking back. Because when you're in, it, right? Like, it's hard to, like, think about all this stuff. But, like, looking back, it almost,

it almost felt like this thing was, like, on one side, like, making its way down. And it's like, okay, it makes the final call. And then the one on the other side is like, they're here. You know, it's like we found, like, we located them type of thing. Anyway, so I'm like, what is that? And then that's it. Like, the noise stopped. Like, there was nothing else after that. So, yeah, that was that experience. Dude, I can't imagine, um, I've never been an experience where I've heard more than one. Uh, that's got to be freaky. Yeah. It was, it was wild and it was like raining a little bit. You know, like you could kind of hear the drizzle on the tent. The other dudes are passed out. I asked them the next day. I'm like, yo, did you guys hear that? Hear that? And they're like,

no, like, what are you talking about? Anyway, so nobody else heard it but me. I'm not crazy. Okay. No, no, definitely not. Yeah, definitely not. Anyway, that was experience too. And then the freakiest experience I've ever had was again Northern Ontario. This is another site where you need to paddle out to with a canoe. There's no dropping off or anything. You need to basically canoe out to your spot with your buddies, set up camp, and whatever.

So, you know, we set up our camp. yeah this one was terrifying dude like this one like you know when people talk about the the fear that they'll set in yeah that that was this is that experience right and basically so we're sitting there um and yeah so we're around the campfire it's dark and then all of a sudden we hear like rustling like off to our like left and i'm like hey like did you guys hear that and i think one of my buddies said yeah like did you guys hear that too you know anyway so we get up and we point our flashlights there nothing we sit back down and then we hear um we hear rustling again and then we get up and we point our lights there again we take a couple steps forward and like when we take a couple

steps forward it sounds like a freight train is literally charging through the through the through the bushes towards us and I at that point like my instinct just kicks in i i think it like i don't know what i'm thinking at that time i'm like moose bear something freaking huge is running through and it's pissed and i'm just like hey like as he loud as i can't as loud as i can right and then um it's it and then when i did that the weirdest thing is this thing goes from sounding like it's 800 pounds just bulldozing through the woods to scurring off like a little like if you've ever seen like a horror movie like a little like tarantial or something like like like you know like running off no way really it went from a bulldozer going through the woods to like

that like like a little like rat or something scurring off like it made a bee lion and it was gone and silence and then nothing and then after that we're like what was going on right so we just sit down at that point you know we're starting to like we're just sitting down we don't know what's going on And that's when like the fear sets in like, you know, and I had already been looking into the subject a little bit at that point. So I'm like, is this like what I think it is, you know? Because like I wasn't really like fully into it. But yeah, we're sitting there like terrified. One of my buddies, he's just kind of out to lunch, you know, like he goes to, he's like, oh, whatever, it's nothing, you know, and he goes to sleep.

Anyway, and we're like after about an hour of sitting there in silence, we're like, okay, like maybe. maybe it's nothing like maybe we we just you know just go to sleep so we go into our tents and of course again I'm always like the last one to like fall asleep and as I'm trying to fall asleep and I'm kind of still thinking about it I literally hear like I have this like thought like you're safe dude just relax you know but it was but when I heard that I'm like I was immediately woken up like it was like I was about to sleep and then I hear that and I immediately woke up because I was like, is this thing like trying to trick me or something? Like because it wasn't like I wasn't thinking that. Like why would I wouldn't it. It was so weird. Honestly, and I don't know like, you know, I hear like

about, you know, I've looked into it since and then people talk about like whatever, the mind speak, the telepathy. Like I don't know. Right. Like I don't know what it was. But it was so weird that it woke me up. And I got out of my tent. immediately and I woke up the other guys. One guy, he was done. Like he was probably drank too much. Like he was, he was so tired and he didn't get up. So one of my buddies gets out, I'm like, dude.

And at that point I didn't want to say like, because I had kind of looked into this subject, but I didn't want to seem like crazy. You know, I'm not like, oh, like dude, it's like, you know, saskatch or whatever or something because I don't know, right? Right. So I'm like, dude, they're back.

Like whatever it is is back. So I'm like, get out of the tent, you know? So he comes out of the tent. we're running out of firewood so we immediately start like making you know sawing up more wood because I'm like we're not going to sleep again like it's that's a wrap you know like we're leaving as soon as there's light we're getting in the canoes and we're because we can't leave now because we canoed there you know what I mean so I'm like as soon as there's light we're getting out of here anyway so we saw more wood all night and yeah and then again we didn't hear anything

for the rest of the night, but there was that terror, dude. Like, I've never experienced fear like that in my life. Oh, dude. It was so weird, man. And, yeah, and my buddy was feeling it too, but, like, you know, he probably won't admit it. But, yeah, it was so weird. And in my head, I'm thinking, like, the whole time, like, dude, even just thinking about it, I'm getting, like, you know, I've told this story before, but, like, to people that are close to me.

but like now i don't know like i'm just like kind of reliving it it's it's it's creepy dude and like um yeah so like when this is going on we're sitting around the fire you know you have that fear like the whole time in my head i'm just thinking like dude like if i because i'm thinking is this sats what in my head i'm trying to think like if we pissed you off like i'm sorry and we will leave here in the morning like just leave us alone please you know because you know we're just a bunch of guys camping like we could have been maybe a little too rowdy like i don't know like i'm thinking like did we piss something off like you know i have no idea right um yeah that's dude i'll tell you man that's one of the freakier ones i've heard in a while and just just the

thought of it going from a bulldozer into something scurrying around like a mouse like that or something that doesn't make a lot of noise is wild. Like lightning, speed, beeline, and then silence. Yeah. Do you think you experience something like telepathy that day? I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. Like, I don't know if I was trying to convince myself, like, hey, bro, like, you're fine.

Just go to sleep. Like, I don't know if I was thinking it. all I know is that I was about to fall asleep and then I had that thought and I thought it was really weird and I woke up like fully so let me tell you this just to say I've experienced something like that too in an area where it was in a cabin and known for a lot of activity and almost like you're almost asleep so you're in that like twilight zone and heard a voice and that would the voice and that would the voice is like, gotcha. And I was like, I'm out of here. And I was like, went to the group. I was like, I don't know what that was. But just to say, I've, if you're, a lot of people are like, I don't know if I'm crazy or not, you're not crazy, dude. Yeah, no, I know I'm not. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just, I know how it sounds to people that are not like, who have never heard or experienced anything. Like, because if I hadn't, then somebody told me this, I would have been like,

yeah, okay, bro. You know, whatever. Right. Right. It's a whole other world, you know. Whole another world. Yeah. Dude, I'm like, I'm kind of like shaking, even just telling the story. It's so weird, like, because I've told this before and I never experienced this, you know. I don't know, maybe it's because like, I've never said it on a platform, you know what I mean? But anyway, so yeah, that was the creepiest one.

Fast forward to, you know, I'm hiking in California. And this is up north, northern California. California, Redwoods. Again, I don't want to give the specific location because they have enough of that stuff going on already. And I get it. You know, I don't want to like ruin spots, you know. Right, right. Anyway, so yeah, I'm hiking with my, with my wife, right? At that time, we're engaged. And it's raining. There's like the redwoods. It looks like you're in Jurassic Park. You know, like this place is beautiful and um we're like it's getting to like the point in the trail this is an out and back so we're like almost towards the end we're taking a little break and all of a sudden

in the distance i hear you know the knocking the like you know stereotypical like what tree knocks um and i'm like what like at first i'm thinking like is there like construction going on like because and then i look at a map of the park you know just to see it okay is there like is there like where does the park boundary end and are there like homes or is there like some sort of like city behind it like you know what i mean i'm trying to see what's going on behind right right to see to kind of see like where we are but like where the sound was coming from there is nothing like this is not construction going on so the only other explanation for that is either there was somebody else on the trail doing that like another human trying to go bigfoot hunting

or something or we actually heard that. So I don't know, but we heard that. It was very early on the trail. There was only one other car, which is why I say maybe the possibility is that there is somebody doing that. So, you know, you can't rule that out, right? But that's what we heard. And it was just one of those days where the weather was just like dreary, turn, you know, it was just rainy. Right. You look around and you're like, this is like the stereotypes. typical spot where something would happen. You know what I mean? Oh, absolutely.

Yeah. No, you're in the right area for sure, northern California. My goodness. Yeah. And I know also kind of like, you know, some people might also be saying like, dude, like that's a lot of things to happen or to experience for one person. Like you're probably just paranoid or whatever. Believe me, I am not, I am not the type of person where everything is, once I got into this and I started looking into this stuff, I'm not the type of person where I'm like everything is a Sasquatch.

Like I know my animals. All right. I know I'm very aware of what is and what could be or, you know, or what is definitely not. And then, you know, so I understand for people listening, like, they're probably like, okay, yeah, whatever. Like, this is a lot of things that happen to one person. I feel like I've experienced like almost every one of the phenomenon other than physically

seeing it. Which I don't want to. Honestly, after what I've seen, like, I'm good. You know, like, it's kind of, I'll be honest. Like, I used to go out camping. I used to go out hiking far on my own. I haven't done that in a long time. Like, I'm kind of, like, not able to go out on my own anymore.

You know what I mean? Like, I need a group. I totally get that. I mean, going through so many things like that can really affect you. I wonder if the reason why you haven't seen one is because you have that internally, you're like, I don't want to see one. And that's why, you know? I think so. And like, I've, I hope so anyway.

Because, like, I'm not, I'm not super religious. I do believe in God. And so every time I, you know, do go out into the woods, I do say, like, a little prayer. I'm like, you know, like, watch over me, whatever. And then I also, I don't know, I have the weird, like, super, I guess superstition. where I'm just, you know, I kind of like say to myself like, hey, like, you know, I'm going to try not to leave things as they are and be respectful in the woods and all that. You know what I mean? I don't know what they're right. Because I heard like, you know, growing up, like I heard about these,

like, indigenous stories of like people that would pretty much like show the respect to the land, you know, when they go out and stuff. So like, it's not like I do that. Like, you know what I mean? Like a ritual or anything. But I just have it in mind, you know? I'm just like before I go in, I'm like, like, hey, like, I'm just here to have a good time and, like, you know, I show my respect, you know. And yeah, and that's it. And so, like, I'm lucky to have never seen one and I don't want to ever, you know. And, you know, I don't know how people go out looking for these things, dude, because whether it's real or not at this point, I think we're past that, honestly. For the people that are in the know, I think we're past that, you know.

And actually totally past it. Yeah. This is another California one. The last one. Okay. That I can remember. This is a totally different area, but also in the mountains. I'm hiking and I'm about to camp, right?

And so I get to the spot where I'm about to camp. And I'm with one other person. I just, I don't want to mention who it is, but I'm with one other person. and that person was responsible for packing the tent and I was responsible for packing other things like food and whatever because this is like a backpacking type of trip. Anyway, so we get there. We're at elevation. Keep in mind this will plane later. I've had at least two days to acclimate to the elevation so I don't attribute what happened to elevation sickness, right?

Can you share how tall it was for elevation? Oh, it was probably like 7.5,000. Okay, so you're up there. Yeah, totally. Okay, sorry. Yeah, yeah, no, you're good. Anyway, so we get to the spot where, you know, again, this is now BLM land. So it's kind of like once you get past a certain point, you find a spot that is, you know, off the trail.

And, you know, where you can camp and leave no trace and make sure it's like a hard surface so that you don't like. destroy the wildlife and sorry the plants and all that anyway so we're sitting there for a while and we're just chilling out and this is like midday and we're like okay perfect we found our spot let's um just chill out before we like set up camp right and as we're um as we're like just chilling there i start like just looking off into like i guess we had our chairs set up a certain way like our little mini camping chairs, you know, those light ones that are like barely a chair. Anyway, so I'm looking off to the left deep, like far into the woods and there's like big sequoia trees, right?

This is, this is the other side of California. This is not the redwoods. This is sequoias, right? Anyway, and there's like, you know, I don't know if you've seen them when they fall down, like when the trunks are just laying on the ground, but it's huge, right? It looks like prehistoric stuff, right? Oh, yeah. Anyway, so I'm looking far, like, deep. I don't know for some reason my eyes are, like, fixated on this one spot. And I swear, like, it kind of looks like there's, like, three different, like, black, like, spots or, like, things, like, kind of at some moments, they're, like, poking out, and I could see it, and at some moments, they're not. This is all, like, around one large tree that's fallen in the distance. And, but, but, But it's, again, it's far enough where I'm not sure what I'm looking at.

But I can be with like 95% certainty say that, all right, like I'm seeing it now and then I'm not seeing it. Like what, you know what I mean? Oh yeah. So and for some reason, like, and then I would just ignore it, but then my attention would always be, it's like, you know, like when you feel like you're being watched, it's like that, you know? Like my attention just goes back to that spot.

again and again. Anyway, I start to feel like later on. So I'm like, okay, whatever, like I'm looking at it. And I don't know what it is. I'm not going, I'm not like leaving. I'm exhausted, right? So I'm just like sitting down because we just hiked up like, you know, for like two and a half hours uphill the whole time. I'm just sitting chilling. And then, um, uh, yeah. And then all of a sudden, okay, comes time to like, okay, let's just like start to set up before, you know, way before I don't want to deal with this like later on in the day and be pressed for time, you know, and lose light. So like let's just open up our stuff set up, maybe eat something. So we start taking out our gear.

My buddy forgets to pack the tent poles. He forgets. Oh no. Yeah. He forgets to pack, you know, amongst other things, some other things too. And I'm like, okay. Well, like we're in California. It's dry.

Like it's not going to run. rain. We could cowboy camp. You know what I mean? The only thing is like exposure like cold, you know, being up there, it gets cold in the mountains at night, right? So it's like we could do it. Let's think about it and decide. Anyway, it starts to get a little bit later in the day. We still got a lot of daylight left. And, you know, we're kind of setting up where we would do this cowboy camping. And I start to feel like really sick, like just nauseous. And like I had eaten. I had rested. I got in a little bit of sun, but we were still kind of like shaded. So I don't attribute it to anything like that or elevation sickness, although it is possible. And so I don't know.

Again, like this is just a weird sensation that I'm having, weird circumstances. I think I'm seeing this thing off in the distance poking its head. I'm like, is this three raccoons just popping out and looking at me and then going back in their hole or something? Like, I don't know what I'm looking at, right? Anyway, so after some time, I just get this feeling. I'm like, dude, like, this is a bad idea. Like, I know we spent all this money to, like, come here, but, and to do this one hike, but I'm like, you forgot the stuff for the tent. I'm like, I'm feeling like crap right now. I'm like, we still have enough time. If we leave now, we can make it out to the car if we leave now. And we hike. And it's...

And I'm like, luckily it's downhill, so it won't be as hard on our lungs, but it'll be hard on our feet, right? So I'm like, but if we leave now, we can make it out. And so we decide to do that. We pack our stuff and we're like, we're not staying the night, you know? We're just too many things are just going wrong. I'm like, this is a bad idea. Anyway, so we hike out. Yeah, we make it out like literally as it's like dark.

And yeah, I got to say like that was one time where I'm so happy that like, you know, When you're out there, whoever's listening, like, seriously, listen to your gut, you know, listen to your gut. I've gone scuba diving, and there's been dives, you know, where I'm just not feeling it, you know? And it's like, they always say in scuba diving, too, like, listen to your gut. Like, if you go in the water, right before going down, if you get a feeling like, you know, like you don't want to do it, just get out of there, you know, like, just don't do it. Right. And so, yeah, yeah, just, yeah. So, I mean, yeah, that was it.

I mean, I know it's kind of all over the place. I wish I was more into the hiking, you know, obviously, you know, with all the, you know, that period of time, I don't want to say it. I don't know how they flag stuff here, but you know, that period of time when everything closed down. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so that put a damper on a lot of things hiking wise for me, but also kind of all these experiences have not allowed me to, like, just relax in the woods like I used to. And so, like, I haven't gone out, gained a bit away. I'm trying to get back to where it was. because I was so fit, dude.

And now, you know, I'm like, I need to get back to that. But anyway, yeah, so that was it. I think the people that would say, I can't believe this all happened to one guy, those are the people that don't realize what's going on with this whole Bigfoot thing. Because when you start getting out there, stuff just happens, man. I mean, no, I don't think it's out of the ordinary to say something like that. people don't realize what can happen to a person once they get i don't know how to say it but it's almost like you get latched on to but not in a bad way but i don't know i know what i know what you

mean like people call it like the hitchhiker effect or whatever yeah even that has sometimes a negative thing but it's like you get opened up to what's going on and and different things start checking you out tagged is a good way to say it that's a good way to say it yeah Right, right. Yeah, yeah. That's a good way. Man, have you ever gone to Oregon or Washington? That would be wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been all over. I've been to the Smoky Mountains, camped in the Smoky Mountains. Before I was into all this, I used to go there, like, once a year. I've hiked and camped all over the states and, you know, northern Ontario and stuff.

And yeah, believe me, like, I know the outdoors. I know the difference between, like, you know, know an elk sound and you know what i mean like or a bare print um but yeah going back to what you're saying about the tag i think that i've always asked myself like why is it that some people um you know again can experience many different things other people experience zero and it is it is it something in your mind where you're like if because i i attribute it back to like maybe like when i saw that one thing on I think it was YouTube, like years before any of this happened, where I said to myself, like, oh, like, it would be cool. Like, it's like, it's almost like you allow your mind.

You're open to the possibility of it. Yep. You know what I'm saying? Let me, I'll explain this because it's weird. There's guys in the Bigfoot community where they will not let themselves be open to stuff happening. It's like, why are you even there? why are you there if you're not open to weird stuff happening? It makes no sense.

Like you're spending your entire life, all your money, everything, and you just can't be okay with like weird stuff going on out there. Like we're talking about Bigfoot. Like it's going to get weird. And yeah, so you open yourself up. Your intentions are like, yeah, whatever. And that's, I think, a lot to do with it, you know? So.

100% dude. Anyway, but yeah, that was it. I appreciate you, you know, giving me the time. But yeah, I've never really shared this, you know, so I hope people don't think I'm crazy because I'm definitely not. No, you're not, dude. Thank you for coming up. Yeah. It was a pleasure to be with you.

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