Bigfoot Society - Spider-Crawling Sasquatch Tried to Ambush Us | Indiana
Episode Date: July 22, 2025What happens when a seasoned hunter in Indiana stumbles into the world of cryptids and uncovers a darker reality than he ever imagined? In this gripping and violent episode of Bigfoot Society, we sit ...down with Mike — a former public safety worker turned field researcher — who shares disturbing firsthand encounters from the backroads of Indiana, the swamps of Alabama, and the shadowy trails of Florida.Mike recounts the moment a dogman creature appeared through thermal imaging, how a Sasquatch spider-crawled through grass to ambush him, and the night one pressed its face against his car window while “mind-speaking” terrifying threats into his thoughts. You'll hear stories of glowing eyes, primal growls, thrown rocks, and the mysterious “forest people” — including some that might not be so benevolent.This episode dives deep into high-strangeness, survival instincts, and the emotional toll of knowing you’re not alone out there.If you’ve ever wondered what it’s like to be hunted — not just watched — you need to hear Mike’s story.Resources:https://www.tiktok.com/@interdimensionalwhttps://www.youtube.com/@Interdimensionalwisdom🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Patreon – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNT🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072📧 Business Inquiries:bigfootsociety@gmail.com
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You're listening to Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
Tonight's story comes from a former public safety officer, a man trained to stay calm in the worst situations.
But that training didn't matter when Mike came face to face with something that haunts his memories to this very day.
This is the story of Mike, the man who faced the forest people, but walked away, changed.
So stay with us.
All right, Pickford Society.
of talking to Mike today. Mike is an individual that I got connected to that has been involved
with some different cryptid themed research over the years going back to, I think, about 2013.
So we'll be talking about Bigfoot today, maybe some other things as well. But welcome to the show,
Mike. How's it going, man?
What's going good?
Absolutely. Thank you for taking some time out of your day. I know you're a busy guy doing
lots of stuff, but thank you for taking some time to share what you've experienced over the
years.
Do you mind taking us back to what first got you involved with this exploration?
Around 2013, I was involved with coyote hunting, and then I spent quite a bit of time.
Hunting nighttime at various farms in central Indiana, eastern Indiana.
Indiana, southern Indiana.
Between me and two buddies, we had
we had dozens
of properties that we would go to.
And
one night in eastern Indiana
we had something happened that
made me go from
being a complete
non-believer
had no interest in the subject matter,
total skeptic
to what I've become
today, which is a pretty
dedicated field research
We had something, an anomaly coming to our call that, I mean, later in in life I think I figured out was a dog man.
Oh, wow.
Do you mind sharing what happened to you in eastern Indiana that day?
We were doing a calling set.
We had coyotes respond to a calling set in the middle of the coyotes.
sounding off
something stopped
the coyotes with the louder vocal
we didn't know what that was
and then about
it was maybe 10, 20 minutes later
what we found out to be later
a dogman came
to basically the
just the other side of a
field
tree row it had come through
one field crossed
through the corn
and then
came up to the tree row
and stopped
and we observed it
through our thermal
and
it freaked me
and my hunting partner
out pretty bad
to the point
that, you know,
that partner
and I
haven't really discussed it since
he's gone
in the opposite direction
with it
he doesn't want
anything to do with it
at that point
I kind of understand
because
both crews we were in at the point.
Mother said we worked both in public safety,
just different sectors at that time.
But we observed it for maybe five minutes at the most.
It wasn't very long.
It was quadruped it the entire time.
It was trying to locate us on the other side of the field.
it was
sensing the air
and never
visually laid eyes on us
I don't believe because it never zeroed in on our location
but it was scanning trying to figure out
obviously it was trying to find our call
which we weren't calling any longer
but
with any large predator
they're pretty good at triangulating at least a general area
of a distress call
our house. So it knew we were in the area or thought we were in the area. So as soon as it turned
around and left, we left, which then led to about a year of me just listening to various
podcasts and doing academic research, trying to figure out what I had just seen.
What a way to get into the field. Could you see how, so you, you, so you
You saw it down on all fours.
Could you tell how high or what the height of the creature when it was on all fours was?
Yeah, it's definitely, you know, it's over five foot.
It was, it's behind.
So it sloped like a wolf, as I've described before.
It's sloped like a wolf.
It's shoulders are over five foot.
It's just
The best way to describe it
It's like looking at a wolf on steroids
Big ears
Long Tail
Through your later research
I would call it
I don't know
Different researchers call it different things
But the different
The best way to describe it as a soldier dog man
Or an wolf dog man
but over five foot at the shoulders at the top at the front shoulders
rear shoulders might have been a little shorter or the hind quarters
that is that's extremely extremely intense
so it sounds like after this scenario then you go into
you know listening to different shows
I'm guessing probably dogman shows probably some bigfoot shows
you know, all over the place, who knows?
But then was there a time when you decided to actively go back
and start getting back out there yourself
to try to figure out what was going on here?
Yeah, so between listening to the shows and that incident,
it just made me start thinking about,
well, had I been around Sasquatch and Dogger,
men before and I had just not known it and not thought about it because as a kid I spent a
significant amount of time in the woods and then up until that point I was a pretty avid
angler and hunter that's the first thing I did is I started thinking well wait a second when I was
looking over my shoulder because I felt like I was being watched but I couldn't find what was
looking at me.
Was I near them then?
That's one of the first things that I started doing was reanalyzing my past.
And then slowly but surely, I was kind of in shock for about a year.
I didn't know what to do it, go where to go with it, but it took me about a year.
And then I started doing some research in southern Indiana at an area that I hunted.
and I had been spooked there before,
which is part of what I'd reanalyzed.
I was trying to figure out why I felt like I was being watched down there.
So I went down to that location.
And same vibe, same everything that had made me wonder why I felt like I was being watched before.
But nothing more than that when I went back there.
I was more aware at that point that, well, wait a second, if it's not a potential person that's out here, then what else is it?
We don't have, we have transient mountain lines, we have transient black bears, but truly, other than bobcats, there's not that many significant predators in that area.
So I started wondering, well, what is out here that's making my instincts go on alert and what is staring at me?
It's definitely not a coyote.
I'm around coyotes, all the town.
They never spoof me.
So I went down there.
But that research didn't last for very long because I moved down to Alabama on that point.
And the real hardcore research started about 2015.
And that's when I really got more into field work.
I joined the BFRO and I started using their database to interview people.
And interviewing people helping narrow down properties that were worth spending time on.
And because of that, I developed a couple core research areas.
and that is once that started the things really started happening from that point
forward for me now down in Alabama we both I'm guessing we both know that there's some
really intense areas in Alabama and a lot of listeners might know as well these areas that
you were focusing on were they the ones that people you know usually comes to mind for
people when they think about cryptids in Alabama or were these kind of newer places?
So, yeah, a lot of people when they think about Alabama, they're thinking, I like that.
So I don't like the name names of locations, even though some are known.
I don't want to draw undue attention to an area, even if others have spoken the name a dozen times.
You know, most people are thinking central and northern Alabama.
which I've been in those areas, and yes, those areas are definitely active.
I just recently drove through one of the hotspots in Northern Alabama with my wife,
and she's not into this subject at all, but even she was creeped out,
just driving through the area.
That's a hotspot in Northern Alabama that a lot of people have spoken the name
multiple times in the past, but the area is actually that I've found.
focused on
or down on the
coast, right down
within an hour
of the Gulf Coast.
Which I've found
through my field
research that actually
you're definitely in it.
When you're in northern Alabama
and central Alabama,
northern Mississippi, central Mississippi,
Georgia,
southern Tennessee,
I'm not taking
anything away from those areas.
Because they're definitely active and you can have incidents up there.
But for whatever reason, it seems to be that the concentration of individuals is much more dense on the actual coast, which as I get further into my research brings up a point of confusion for me now because I've crossed into a different potential.
conclusion with my research
within the last year that has me
wondering why
a individual
why
why cryptids
you know Bigfoot or dog man
would have a population density
based on biology or ecology
when they have
abilities to also
not quite be in this
reality or damage in the thing
exact same time, which you probably weren't expecting me to go that far that fast, but that's
where my research is gone.
Well, Mike, I can hear it in your voice that you are an individual that you have come to
some conclusions and they have really rocked your worldview.
I know what that sounds like in a voice because, you know, I've just because of doing this for
years. It's very interesting. Coming to certain realizations will affect a person greatly. And it'll be
interesting to hear probably later if that's something that you could share once we get to that
part what the conclusion was. But you know, you're starting to focus on the Gulf Coast area.
And was there a time that you can think of that you remember, okay, I've narrowed down this area
and now you're out there and you had an experience where you're like,
oh, wow, there is definitely something going on here that is not normal.
So, I mean, it started off slowly.
I started talking to an individual that they had some rocks throwing at them.
I went to research that area.
And so I went research in that area.
And me and a research partner,
returned to that area one night.
And we were with the individual that had had rocks thrown at them.
And sorry, can you repeat that question again?
I was about to go into an incident, but I wanted to make sure I answer your question.
Oh, yeah.
It's exactly what you're about to go into.
Pretty much was there a catalyst event when you started researching down there that was,
like made you think yeah there is definitely something going on down here after i just had that
happen to me yes yeah so me and my field research partner met up with individuals i had
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And we were in the area that this gentleman had had rocks throwing at him, walking down a road.
And in this road, you have pines on both sides, planted pines, probably about 20 feet back, maybe 10 to 20 feet back from the edge of the road.
on this section of the road there's a bank of built-up dirt and it was well after dark while walking down the road just talking amongst ourselves i caught a shape out of the corner of my eye and i stopped and as i was looking at it i realized there was the best way i could describe it is just a tall person standing on the edge of that wood uh wood line
on the top of that third file.
But it wasn't quite a person.
It was a black outline.
It was just standing there.
I asked the other gentleman,
my main primary partner,
and the other gentleman,
did they see that?
And they did.
Well, in that time period,
we've looked away for a split second.
not even probably a full second.
And when we looked back, it was gone.
We backed up from that area for a minute, probably a minute, two minutes, not that long,
just enough for me to go from what the heck was that to being curious.
And so I re-approached that area with my flashlight on.
And between the edge of the road and the tree long,
is a grass, a grassy area, a bushy area.
And as I re-approached that area,
I came upon, the best way I can describe it is that same individual that was standing on the dirt bank.
Well, I assume it's the same individual.
In the grass, on its stomach, spider, I think I caught it spider crawling,
from that dirt bank towards us
because it was diagonal
from the original location
to where we had retreated to
and it was half the distance
from basically that dirt bank
to the road.
When I walked up on it, it froze.
I froze
because I couldn't believe what I was looking at.
The other two guys were hanging back
so they weren't with me, but they saw me freeze.
And my instincts, I think, got the best of me because after a brief pause, I turned around and took off,
which then they took off.
As soon as I started running, they started running.
Actually, my one partner asked me, why are we running once I got to the vehicle, and I just said, let's go.
We got midway down the road.
I calmed down again.
He's like, why are we leaving?
I said, stop.
And I also started explaining to him what I saw.
I said, we got to go back.
So we went back.
Of course, by the time we got back there,
whatever had been in the grass was gone.
And I just did a bunch of peridelia pictures,
trying to recreate what I'd seen.
We went back there during the day.
daylight trying to recreate it.
We just, no matter what we did, we could not come up with an excuse or an explanation for
what we had seen.
So I'm pretty sure at that point we had seen a Sasquatch trying to spiral crawl towards
us, which based on later incidents made more sense.
It made more sense that it was probably a juvenile.
Whether or not it was a century or not is up for debate.
But it had been, we had caught it standing on the dirt bank.
It froze as soon as it got the opportunity to not be seen, it moved locations.
Did it dive into the grass at that point?
I don't know.
All I know is that when we approached the air,
that was trying to get closer to us by approaching through the grass, spider crawling towards us.
We were returned to that area.
That definitely rocked me, but what happened next really threw me off.
And now I'm at the point where I'm, nothing really rocks me, nothing really throws me off anything.
I'm kind of accepting of whatever.
but anyways we went back and same location, same intersection,
same area we've been going for a long time.
It was just being a one gentleman this time,
and we were just sitting in his vehicle,
and the best way I can describe it is my instincts went on alert
I felt like I was being watched.
I told my partner I felt like we were being watched.
It went from that to just an extremely strong gut feeling of something as nearby,
something that's approaching.
It was way more than I'm just being watched.
And then the best way I can describe it,
like I've described before is having someone put thoughts in your mind, which is, I know,
not something some people can understand, but it's basically what some people probably describe
as mind speak.
Something was telling me, I'm going to kill you, basically along those lines.
I'm going to kill you.
How dare you?
Just, it was not a good vibe.
Really bad vibe.
I was telling my partner, I was like, I don't know what is going on, but I said him to tell my partner, I said he is pissed.
and my partner, who's been doing research a lot longer at that point than I had, said, yeah, you caught him counting coup.
You, you hurt his honor.
I said, what are you talking about?
Because I'd never discussed that subject to that point with him.
And at that point, this was not the time to have that discussion.
A whole bunch of stuff was going on all at once.
I'm like experiencing potential mind speak for the first time.
I have my partner talking to me about counting coup for the first time.
I have something approaching a vehicle that's giving off vibes like I'm going to rip your head off.
It was a pretty trippy experience.
But anyways, I told my partner, I was like, is he right next to me?
because I was so scared at that point
I couldn't open my eyes.
I mean, my eyes were open,
but I wouldn't look like anywhere.
I was like looking straight forward
and looking to my left
at my partner.
Something was given off such a vibe
to my right
that I was scared to look out the passenger window
and my partner said he's right there.
And I said, what do you mean?
He's right there.
And he said he was right there in the window.
right, you know, just on their side of glass of you.
And I looked just enough out of the corner of my eye
to see basically a black outline,
bottom of the window, bottom right corner,
more of the middle, middle of the window,
bottom side of the window, black outline head.
I couldn't look, well, if I had looked,
looked, I probably would have looked at straight in the face, but I didn't look straight over.
At that point, I shut my eyes.
I was scared.
It's probably the most scared I'd ever been, being around them.
My partner proceeded to help me out.
He said, just tell him sorry.
Let's say sorry.
So I literally started saying sorry.
I said, I said sorry.
Countless times, probably a dozen times.
And I was saying it out loud.
Which, I don't know what that did.
I don't know why that helped.
But whatever reason that Sasquatch approached the window,
it had retreated to the back corner of the car at that point
because the intensity level of my fear dropped significantly.
I had talked to ask my partner, has he gone?
And she said he was, I opened his eyes.
I looked in the rear every window, mirror.
I mean, I looked in that mirror on the side of the car.
And he was, whatever that was in the back corner of the vehicle,
I said he's not gone.
I told my partner that.
I was like, he's not gone.
He's back by the back of the car.
And then I asked him to leave.
He slowly put in and drive,
and we slowly drove off.
Which the individual in question
did not follow us at that point.
We got down the road aways.
I proceeded to get sick.
I started shaking, I vomited.
I was a mess.
I'd been through adrenaline dumps before.
This was way more than just an adrenaline dump.
I just felt off physically, and I was pretty shucking up.
I was off for at least a day from that one.
I was just fatigued.
and kind of in a fog for about 24 hours.
But that definitely rocked my world as far as research is concerned.
But that also kind of put the gas pedal on for me.
Because from that point forward, I've decided to...
I'm still cautious, but I've slowly but surely been removing more.
more and more of my safety protocols.
I still try not to go alone.
I still try not to go as far out as one of my partner does.
He likes to sleep on locations by himself in hammocks.
I haven't quite gotten there yet.
But it's definitely put the gas on for me when it came to my research.
Mike, that's incredible.
Do you, when you had, you were here,
hearing the mind-speak thoughts.
Was it when it was right there by your window?
I can't correlate whether or not it was right then or when it...
I mean, it was definitely happening when he was there,
but I can't say whether or not it was happening when it was also approaching or not.
I think it was a combination of when it was right there and approaching,
maybe when I was sneaking up on the car.
But it was...
Yes, it was happening when he was right there.
even though I wasn't looking at them.
So the way that you were affected and do you think it may have done,
or do you think it may have had something to do with being zapped
or it was just a straight adrenaline dump or hard to tell?
I definitely, you know, I've, you know, infrasound or being zapped or their ability to,
And it would be like energy in different forms.
I don't know exactly what it is, but I definitely think it was more than just an intense moment.
I don't know exactly what made me sick, but it was more, I don't think it was just, hey, I got freaked out.
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It doesn't sound like it.
that's that's extremely intense so you were saying that you've been taking off the safety protocols
slowly so does that mean then that you are getting to the point where you're starting to
go out and research again yeah i've been doing research ever since and uh that threw me off
for like 24 hours as far as physically and mentally, but I got over it.
When it comes anything to do with Sasquatch or Dog,
then I'm pretty much at the point since then I just shrug my shoulders if I don't understand it fully.
I'm pretty open to whatever anymore.
I don't openly discuss the subject with everyone and anyone,
and I purposely keep some distance from the subject matter to a certain extent,
but as far as the subject matter itself, I'm pretty open-minded and go with whatever anymore.
I've been doing research ever since that day.
One of the safety protocols that are removed is I still go alone.
I mean, I still don't go alone that often when it comes.
to being on foot, but I will go alone in vehicles, whether that's on a boat or a vehicle,
like a truck car, which I used to not do. I used to want to have at least a partner with me at all
times. But I've gotten to the point where I go alone in vehicles now, which I have to say going
alone is definitely a lot more productive.
Going alone or going light,
as in not having
more than three people
max, is usually
the way to go.
Whatever we're dealing with
is intelligent. Whatever we're
dealing with is,
I mean, it's more than intelligent.
It's not going to put itself
in a position of
disadvantage
and if you're trying to observe it and go into the woods with 10 people,
I'm not saying that they won't play with you.
I'm not saying that they won't come around.
I'm not saying that you won't have encounters,
but they're not going to get as close to you
and they're not going to be as willing to approach you
as they would be if it's just you and one other person or just you.
So when you go,
into an area now and you're trying to see if you can have an interaction, what is your, do you have preferred methods that you usually follow or protocol or anything? I thought. Yeah. I use, depending on the, if it's a new area that I've, that I'm just like scouting out that I have got no prior reports from, or it's a new area that I've, that I'm just like scouting out that I have got no prior reports from, or it's,
just really old reports in the area
and it might not be for that exact area.
It's usually just me and one other person
or just myself and
will
the best method for me is to camp.
You can just camp.
Like literally that's all you got to do.
You don't have to do anything else
is just camp. Or you can
pull up in your vehicle
at a camping spot. You don't even have to
camp camp. Just pull up in your vehicle
and hang out.
Now, you might have to hang out until 3 a.m.
But if something's going to happen, if they're going to come, if they're in the area,
they'll be there.
They'll usually be there within a couple hours of you being there.
You don't have to do anything else.
Now, you want to step it up, you can do calls.
There's calls that I use.
But that's not, I've found that's not even necessary.
Honestly, if you're, if they're in the area and they're willing to play,
all you have to do is place yourself in the area.
Was the communication you received that day?
Was that a one-time event or has, sorry, I guess,
Um, the thoughts that you...
Has stuff like that happened.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's happened again.
Um, it wasn't like the same.
It wasn't the, well, it was like the first time, but it wasn't, hey, I'm going to kill you.
That's good.
Yeah.
That's happened again, which is part of the reason why I'm kind of like whatever with it now.
Um.
Same partner, different state.
We're in Florida this time.
We were in a different research area,
walking a trail.
And my instinct started going off.
I was like, dude, something's wrong.
I was like, I don't know what it is, but something's off.
He's like, I don't feel it.
And I was like, dude, I'm telling you right now,
something is wrong.
and he basically convinced me to keep on going.
So we kept on pushing it.
And slowly but surely I started having that same thing happen.
But this time it was different in that it wasn't coming through as in,
I don't know how to describe it.
The first time was coming through with bad vibes was,
I'm going to kill you.
I'm going to.
It was just bad.
All the way bad.
This time, whatever was happening was much more gentle.
And basically, it just was placing, I don't know how they do it.
Whatever was doing, it was telling me basically, hey, you need to go.
This is not, you can't stay here.
This is a bad idea.
I'd tell your partner to turn around.
you guys need to go.
So I finally started telling my partner,
because I had talked to him about what happened.
I was like, I told him,
I was like, you know that time I told you
they were basically talking to me,
and they weren't talking to me?
I was like, that's happened, excuse me,
that stuff's happening again,
and it's telling me to go.
So which stopped him in his tracks.
Once I said that, he stopped.
And he's like, I'm like, I'm basically looked at it
and I said, do I look serious?
So we turn around.
The feeling of this is a bad idea went from a 70 to 100, and I told my partner to run.
I don't know what got into me.
I don't know why, but I ran.
We ran, I don't know, less than a quarter mile.
We ran far enough that we could still see down the trail where we'd,
come from and we stopped.
We got out back towards a trailhead area and we were looking back down the trail where we
had come from.
I don't know what came out on the trail, but whatever came out on the trail came out on
all fours, whatever came out on the trail was bigger than a hog.
Whatever came out on the trail was not quite a canine was not a hog.
It was not as big as that dogman that I had seen in Indiana, but it was bigger than a hog.
And I'm talking about a boar hog.
So part of this incident, my partner had gone to the bathroom on that trail before we ran.
Whatever came out on the trail stopped and smelled where he went to the bathroom.
and then looked down the trail at us and then took off into the bush.
I don't know what it was.
I don't know what that was.
And I still don't know what that was to this day.
But the more I look back on it, I can't say that that wasn't more and more I call them the forest people,
but I don't quite think they're the gentle forest people that everybody thinks they are.
There's definitely a division with them.
Some are good, some aren't.
Let's just put it that way.
But the best category I can call them as the forest people.
I think maybe a female in that clan in that area had done us a solid
and helped us vacate that area before whatever that was decided to, you know, give us a visit,
which I don't think we would have done so well if whatever that was that came out on the trail.
If we had been in that exact spot when it came on on the trail,
based on the way that it came out on the trail,
because it was booking when it hit that trail.
Like it went from a dead run to a dead set.
stop when it hit that trail.
So whatever, based on the way things went down, when we, when we were running out, whatever
that was was probably running towards us, if you're getting, if you understand what we're saying,
what I'm saying, because it hit that trail moving.
And it stopped on a dime.
Like I said, smell the area we were in, looked down the trail at us, and then took off
and disappeared.
But I don't think
that if we'd been where it was
when it hit the trail,
I'd be talking to you right now.
There's a few questions I have for you.
Just because I'm not super knowledgeable
with the dogman side of things.
So I just want to clarify a few things.
So it sounds like you may have been
dealing with a dog man at this time
or you're not exactly sure.
Well, that's the problem with this one.
I can't say what that was because it was not, it could have been a dog man, but it was smaller than the average dog man that we've dealt with.
Let's just put it that way.
Sure.
It was more compact.
Ah, gotcha.
The other thing is you mentioned that there is Minespeak in that scenario as well.
And this is something I'm not aware of do our dogman reported to be involved with Minespeak incidents as well.
well.
Yeah, they are.
There's definitely mind-speak incidents being reported across species, whether it's
dog man or Sasquatch.
But I, just based on my intuition and a few other things, I don't think that dog man was
talking to us.
Okay.
So there could have been something else in those woods that day as well with you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
that area is well known for a clan that we investigate of Saskatch.
They're friendly, to say the least, they're quite friendly.
They've gotten extremely close to my partner.
Like, from within, I don't know how much he wants me to talk about it,
but they just say they've gotten close.
and they're pretty chill
that area is usually pretty chill
well let me rephrase that
one side of the road is chill the other side of the road is not
one side of the road is associated with
non-historical bad vibes
the other side of the road has a lot of blood
spilled
if you're understanding where I'm going with that
I think I do.
Also, in...
So this is in Florida.
Are there different types of Bigfoot down there,
maybe some that look more like apes
and some that look more like humans?
Yeah.
So, let me refer to the next year and I say this.
I'm no expert.
I'll never claim to be an expert.
Anybody that claims to be an expert,
just quit less than to them.
there are definitely experienced field researchers out there and from what I've gathered and
been blessed to learn pretty much there's definitely different types of saskweds Florida's
pretty awesome in that the further south you get you get into a different type of
Saskwatch that I don't have as much experience with, but the best way to describe them as like
a freaking hairy orangutan, but they're not an orangutan.
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And I don't know why that is.
I haven't quite understood why that is.
And the further I've gone into my research, I'm even more confused about it.
But there's definitely a different type of Sasquatch down there.
The northern part of the state, the best way.
can describe it.
It's similar to Alabama.
And Alabama is the best way I can put it is.
If you've ever listened to the Bigfoot Outlaws or anyone associated with those guys,
you have your standard boogers, which I know that's a crazy name,
but it's the best name for the South, honestly.
And they're not the big ones that you're used to from the West Coast.
They don't get as big as the West Coast, except for maybe the alphas tend to get pretty big, though.
But there's big ones around.
That's the part that it's confusing about the South.
It's not all just the skinnier muscle-built individual, because they all have muscle.
They're all pretty well-built.
But you're not talking about 10-foot-plus.
individuals, you're talking, seven to, well, six foot, six to eight foot, built like a mid-sized boxer or just a stout athlete.
They can get skinnier than that, but even the skinny ones are still pretty ripped.
They all have pretty, it doesn't matter which ones you're dealing with, they all have muscle definition, if that makes sense.
Yeah, no, it definitely does. So it sounds like in this area, there have been times where it's gotten pretty violent or aggressive. Is that true?
Yeah. I mean, between Alabama and locations in Florida, when things go south, it usually involves just rocks being thrown, trees knocked over.
Bluff charges, growls.
When they want you to leave, they'll let you know they want you to leave.
It's pretty straightforward.
They make it well known.
But that's the thing.
It's never gotten to the point where they've actually carried it out.
The rocks never have never hit me or my.
partner. The trees have not hit me or my partner. Um, they've come close. They've definitely
got our attention. But, um, for all the, for all the bluster and show, nothing has happened.
But that's also probably has to do with the fact that we don't tend to push past that point.
because I have a feeling in some of these incidents where if they tell you to leave and you don't leave,
I don't know what the next stage is.
That's a dog, great.
I don't know.
Yeah, that's my pub.
Hey.
Yeah, yesterday, I mean, with that in mind, my pup, we're not in area where I'm doing research right now.
She's just barking at a person, but I tend to bring her along as a, as an,
alert. She's extremely
protective, extremely
she sees things before
I see him sometimes.
Yesterday I was in a research
area. Just a quick
note. New research area, I'm in a
different state than I'm actually
I'm back in Indiana right now.
I might as well just say that.
I travel quite a bit
for my job, so I get around
because I've done research in Indiana,
North Dakota,
Missouri, I don't know.
I've done research in a lot of states.
But anyways, I'm in Indiana right now.
I'm in an area of interest.
I was down in an area of interest
and just parked at a location briefly.
I wasn't paying attention to anything of particular at that point.
And the individually just heard growl was in the backseat
where she usually is.
And she started growling.
Which at this point, we're out in the middle of nowhere.
We're not around.
There's no people around.
There's no reason for her to be growling unless a squirrel had come out of the tree or some other animal had popped up out of the forest.
So she starts growling.
I turn around.
I'm trying to figure out what are you growling at?
Well, I studied the area.
Never found out what she was growing at.
needless to say I'm going back to that area because I need to figure out what she was growing at.
But as my research has progressed, it's getting a little past just going to an area,
which I don't know how far down the rabbit hole you want to get.
Well, you know, I would say it sounds like you have come to some interesting conclusions or you've started to.
and yeah
I mean I am perfectly fine
if you want to share
some things that you've discovered
along the way I have no problem with that
well I mean
the longer you're in this field
if you talk to anybody
that's been in this field for
quite a while
I didn't
I studied
let's say this I studied
from individuals like
Kumbow Baker
and bear off of Bigfoot Outlaws.
Now, did I work with them in the field?
No, but they put all their research online.
You can learn how to do what they're doing
based purely on what, I mean, they teach you everything.
If you listen, a lot of people don't listen,
but if you listen long enough,
they basically tell you everything there is to learn to get started.
Which I started using, you know, their tactics pretty quick.
back in the, you know, like 2015 onwards, whichever find them since.
But my point is, if you listen to guys like that, or Cain's based out of Ohio,
Kane Michael, he's another extremely good researcher.
But there was a gentleman down in Tennessee that recently died a few years ago.
Scott Carpenter.
Yeah, Scott Carpenter.
Another good researcher.
If you listen to any of those guys
You'll
As they've been on the field
They've slowly but surely
Become more open to
The Loo side of things
It was the best way I can put it
And
I was originally just purely physical
Flesh and blood
Had no interest in
Anything to do with the other side of the research
but I can't deny what's happened in the field,
so it is what it is,
and now I'm at the point now where I question whether or not we're dealing with,
I think we're dealing with flesh and blood,
but just because we're dealing with flesh and blood
does not mean that you're not also dealing with something else.
What that something else is,
is up for interpretation
but
whether or not Scott Conferdor was on the right
path when he's talking
about the fallen
and
hybrid blood, I don't know,
whether or not they can
or cannot
teleport and
move from dimensions
you tell me
can they or can they not use camouflage as in what you've seen in the predator movies?
Maybe.
I know what I've experienced.
I know that what I've seen and been through definitely has made me wonder, huh.
I'll just say, huh.
But I don't want anybody else to...
this is definitely a journey you've got to go down.
For anyone that's interested in it,
you're going to have to go down this journey yourself.
Because I can tell you my conclusions,
but you haven't been done,
you haven't walked in my shoes,
so you don't know why I've come to the conclusions I've come to.
So, and a lot of the things I've found are so, like,
they're so earth-shattering for some individuals that they need to experience it for themselves if they truly want to know the answers.
Yeah, I agree.
I mean, anyone that goes down this road will start to experience things similar to what you've been alluding to,
and they'll have to come to grips with it themselves.
They'll either start to have their mind open, or they will start to say, I don't want to deal with this.
and I'm just going to focus on other things in the subject.
That's what it's going to come down to.
Yeah.
My thing is, you know, for me, I've made the decision on which direction I'm going to go.
But I don't suggest this for everyone because I think the deeper you get, you start getting into, you just need to understand what you're messing with.
Let's just put it that way.
I agree.
And it's like you, I think you need to be aware of the potential of what it could be as well.
Yeah.
It is a very interesting subject.
And I can definitely tell you that you've experienced things along the way.
And just to ask, are there any things that you can share that made you start, you know, thinking?
that way even and if you don't want
if you don't want to that's no problem
so
I mean
sorry I stepped outside for a second
my partner in crime was back there
partner in crime she was back there
starting to growl no matter what
so
we're outside right now
how I put this
I mean I was originally flesh and blood
100% I had no I mean
for one I had no interest on this subject matter
to start with
I had Sasquatch and dog man
and
I've went from one end of the spectrum to the completely other end of the spectrum, for one,
because I went from being the guy that you could talk to me about Sasquatch,
and I would tell you that Bigfoot didn't exist, for one,
to now I'm on the totally other end of the spectrum to where I'm pretty convinced that not only,
well, I can tell you 100% they exist for one.
Two, while they may be flesh and blood, being flesh and blood does not mean that they're not also something else.
So I've definitely gone to the complete other end of the spectrum.
How I got there is just, I've just had so many freaking experiences that,
standing
I mean for example
standing in the backyard
of a house
feeling like you're being watched
nothing that
nothing is there physically
you can't see anything
visually with your eyes
but you know you're being watched
I started taking
pictures
that's one thing I
in incidents where I feel like I'm being watched
but I can't see anything
I'm afraid of that
when I feel like I'm being watched
period, I've started to just start, I start taking pictures of my surroundings.
And this incident, same thing, felt like I'm being watched, the hairs on,
hairs up on my back on my neck.
I'm like, I can't figure out why the vibes off.
Start snapping pictures.
And I'm looking at the picture.
and anytime I find something in a photo, my protocol is I don't just go with it.
I send it off to individuals I trust.
I don't tell them anything.
I don't say, hey, do you see X, Y, Z?
I just say, hey, tell me what you think.
Because I don't want to prompt them into anything.
I just want to hear their feedback.
you know
so
I don't want to lead them
you know
investigation
techniques is you don't want to lead a witness
and you don't want your
investigation
partner to be led in any one
direction you want them to come to their own
conclusion if their conclusion
matches yours that's great
if it doesn't well that's what
you want because you want
the conclusion to be
natural.
So anyways, I send those photos
off. They get watched.
They get looked at pretty quick
by a couple of people.
They see everything I'm seeing.
So I'm like, what in the
heck? Because this is all within
10 minutes. When what we were
looking at is
in that backyard,
basically in the pictures, you can
see what looked like
it's like
three dog man on the other side of the
fence looking at me, but I can't see them physically, but in the picture they're there.
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With that being said,
is the reason I can't see them physically at that moment
because of the fact that they're supreme
at standing on the edge of the light
and they love to stay in the shadows.
that I might have something to do with it.
They might have physically been there,
and my eyes just visually could not adjust to seeing them
because of the fact that they were right there on the edge of the transition line
between the light and the dark.
Well, for whatever reason, I could not visually observe them,
but they stood out in the pictures.
But in the pictures, they look off also.
The best way I can describe it is,
they're in the picture but they're not.
Just incidents like that
and then listening to individuals like Scott Carpenter
and a few others
just started me down the rabbit hole of well
are we dealing with specimens
that can
materialize in our world
but yet
are we dealing with something that a lot of people
just can't wrap their mind around pretty much
I mean, I mean, can they be here and not be here?
Can they appear here and then disappear?
It brings up a lot of questions about dimensions and parallel dimensions.
How can they appear and disappear?
And how can, you know, how contracts there a snowy field disappear into nothing?
It's some wild, wild stuff.
You're right.
The deeper you go down, just the weirder that it gets.
Has there been a point in your research, you know, the years after you had one that was right against the window and you weren't able to look at it?
Has there ever been a time when you've been able to have a visual of what you think is a big foot out in the front?
field or has it been like other types of interactions?
I, uh,
there isn't, well, I've seen a dog man and a bigfoot.
Dog man, best way I can describe them, the same thing is the first time, just, they just
look like a wolf.
They look like a wolf.
Well, I mean, I'm going to phrase that.
Some of them look like wolves.
Some of them look like hyenas.
Some of them kind of look different than that.
They can have different looks to them.
But Sasquatch, you know, it depends if, I don't know how much you've studied.
I call them Sasquatch hybrids
because there's different types of Sasquatch out there.
And the ones I've visually observed
all tend to have a flat face,
wider nose.
Their face tends to be very similar.
It's their muscle structure
and their height that can very significantly.
also their face facial features can be more narrow depending on the age or the subspecies I guess you want to just talk about
the one thing that's throwing me off is we run into a specimen in the field I haven't seen one for a couple years now but they have a snout
Um, best way to describe it, I call them Baboon Face.
Um, and I relate them to Sasquatch because they have Sasquatch legs.
They have Sasquatch bodies.
They have Sasquatch arms.
They, uh, they look like a Sasquatch except for they have a Sal.
Um, and they're not friendly.
Well, the best way to put this.
they're not as as time has gone on they are more more warrior mentality best way to put it
i don't like being around them i'll put up i'll put it that way i don't like them i don't like them
i don't trust them i think they're bad juju um i don't really know what they are but i have
research partners that are pretty significantly comfortable around them.
And they tend to say that, which I can't argue with their conclusions based on some incidents
in the field, which is they'll challenge you.
And if you fail that challenge, it won't go so well.
Just put it that way.
So you just need to keep walking.
Would those be a...
answer.
What does be Gugways?
Yeah.
Okay.
And, you know, they've got the reputation of being straight killers.
I don't know if they're more or less any more of a killer than any of the others.
I just think that they're more and more that I've been in the field that their mentality is more.
I've
in best conclusion
I can come up with
this related to a warrior
mentality from like an indigenous
tribe
that are going to challenge you
well
and that's the other thing
whether you're dealing with them
dog man Saswatch
if you put yourself in a situation
in which you can disappear without a trace
and
the reason for your disappearance
can be blamed on
other occurrences and no negative repercussions are likely to occur in that area for the individual in question.
You might disappear.
So it's best you just don't put yourself in that type of situation, whether you're dealing
with them or any of the others.
I think that makes sense.
it's just people have to be really careful
there's a lot of people that reach out to me and they're like
hey can you give me advice and
my number one advice is don't go out by yourself
try to find a group that
you know like the Woodwalkers down in the south
those are good guys and find people you can trust
so that when you're out there you got people that
you know can have your back like you say
you go out with people sometimes you know
yeah
like I know what I'm dealing with I know the path I'm going down when I'm going by myself is not the safest route but I've been doing this for years and I understand what I'm doing like I know I I comprehend the risks I'm taking now do I recommend those to anyone no I don't I strongly suggest anyone that's involved
in this field that you always go with a partner.
I strongly suggest that you'll always make it known, you know,
where you're going, what you're doing, when you're going to come back,
you know, just a standard, just like you would with any hiking plan,
you know, you need to leave your research plan with someone.
Now, I understand some people are going to be like,
well, I don't want them to know where I'm going, what I'm doing.
And, well, you don't have to tell them you're doing research.
You know, just make sure someone knows where you went, where you were when you're coming back.
And make sure you have a partner with you.
Make sure you take other precautions when you're out there.
A lot of people tend to think that they're more dangerous than the others.
And I have come to a conclusion that I don't think it's really a,
species question as much of it as it's an individual question like you can run into bad bad
situations with any of them and it doesn't it doesn't matter which species you're dealing
with it matters on who which ones you're dealing with and what situations you're dealing
with them in um and how you react in those situations there's more to it than just a
Gugly's bad, Sasquatch good.
Dogman bad, Sasquatch good.
No.
There's killers in all of them.
Mike, this has been a really fascinating conversation.
You know, as we have a few minutes left,
I want to make sure that you're able to, you know,
share everything that you'd want to share today
and that, you know, you're not left wishing
you could have said something else.
No.
I mean, I'm just doing this field research from my own conclusions.
I've kept a pretty low-key social media profile.
I do have, you know, my interdimensional wisdom that I've slowly but surely been putting content out on through TikTok and YouTube.
The reason I'm on your podcast is I'm becoming a little bit more.
more open to
hoping that
I can help someone
out. If anybody's
had an incident and they don't
know where to go with this
or they
want answers and they don't know
where to get answers
that's the reason I'm becoming
more open about talking about the subject
because that's how I learned initially.
So that's the reason I'm on your podcast.
Now, I will say I'm not naturally inclined to talking openly about this subject matter,
and I totally understand if somebody listens to what I said, and they're like, holy crap,
that guy's nuts.
Because that, for one, I mean, that's just a natural conclusion when you listen to it.
But you got to be in the field and truly understand the subject matter.
to understand why I'm saying the things I'm saying,
if that makes any sense.
Absolutely.
And what's the name of your TikTok again,
so people can check that out?
Interdimensional wisdom.
I went and took,
just because of the crap that I've seen in the field,
I went, my prior public safety job,
I had to do psyche valves.
And I went back and did the psyche valve
because of this crap,
just to make sure that I hadn't gone nuts.
which according to them I'm not but I would definitely
I would say this I would strongly caution anyone that's wanting to get involved in this
subject matter because you need to know what you're getting involved in
and you need to make a decision within yourself on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go.
Because you can go as deep as you want,
but you need to understand that the deeper you get,
you're going to start getting into some pretty,
you're going to get into subject matters that are going to make you question,
like life and the world around you.
pretty much.
And not everyone's prepared to go that far.
So you just need to know
what you're getting involved in
when it comes to this research.
And if you just want to go out in the field
to have encounters, that's great.
But if you want to go further than that,
it can get pretty complicated.
And it can also get dark and dangerous.
to say the least.
I think that is a great way to put it.
Definitely you should give people enough to realize they need to be aware of what could happen.
And combining that with other episodes I've done, listeners can definitely figure that out.
But, you know, Mike, thank you so much for coming on the show today.
It's been a pleasure chatting with you.
And hopefully maybe we'll have to keep in touch.
and see where things lead you in the future.
Yep, yep.
I appreciate the opportunity.
Maybe I'll come on later and tell more, more encounters,
because I definitely have more.
But I appreciate the opportunity.
Just want to take a minute to say thank you
for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.
Mike's story is one of the most intense we've ever heard,
not just because of the spider crawling or the blacked out face at the car window,
but because of what it really...
reveals about the intelligence and possible intentions of the beings in the woods.
So a huge thanks to Mike for having the courage to speak up.
It's stories like his that remind us once you see something you can't explain, your whole
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