Bigfoot Society - Stuck on the Island with Sasquatch! | Oregon

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

Joey, a retired outdoorsman from Oregon, shares his extraordinary encounters with host Jeremiah Byron from Bigfoot Society across several locations in the state. From Silver Creek Falls State Park to ...Detroit Lake and beyond, Joey recounts his sightings and experiences. These include observing rocks being thrown at his cabin, witnessing a massive Bigfoot on Piety Island at Detroit Lake, and strange occurrences involving boulders in the Waldo Lake Wilderness. Joey's vivid descriptions and compelling stories provide a fascinating glimpse into the elusive and mysterious world of Bigfoot.Sasquatch Summerfest this year, is July 11th through the 12th, 2025. It's going to be fantastic. Listeners, if you're going to go, you can get a two day ticket for the cost of one. If you use the code "BFS" like Bigfoot society and it'll get you some off your cost.Priscilla was a nice enough to provide that for my listeners. So there you go. I look forward to seeing you there. So make sure you head over to www. sasquatchsummerfest. com and pick up your tickets today.If you've had similar encounters or experiences, please reach out to bigfootsociety@gmail.com. Your story could be the next one we feature!🔴 Subscribe to our Youtube channel and leave a comment here: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Want to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: bigfootsociety@gmail.com

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Starting point is 00:02:19 retired outdoorsman avid fisherman and a survival tech instructor from out there in the great state of Oregon. Welcome to the show today, Joey. How's it going? Going good today. Thank you for having me on today. Appreciate it. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, I've been waiting to have this conversation for a while. There is, I remember you telling me about at least one of your encounters is in an area I've kind of been looking into recently. So definitely, you know, can't wait to have the chat today. But, you know, Joey, I'm going to go ahead and give things over to you. free to take us back when this all started happening to you out there and then what you experienced along the way. Okay, sure enough. So as I've been recounting my many adventures in the outdoors,
Starting point is 00:03:11 of course, there are two that stand out the two times I've actually seen a Bigfoot in 1979 and in 1995, 95 being the encounter that really shocked me, I have to say. So, But I'd like to go back even farther. When I was a kid, I grew up camping a lot with my mom and dad and sister, mostly in eastern Oregon. I was born in 1960. My dad was 47 years old when I was born. He's an avid ham radio operator.
Starting point is 00:03:48 He actually holds the world record for Morse Code Transmission that was set in 1942. I just Googled that recently, and sure enough, the AI came up with his name. I was really proud to see that that's still a world record today. Anyway, he would take us camping and set up his ham radio rig wherever we camped. A lot in the Ocho Coes, mountain range in eastern Oregon, outside of Prineville. There's a lake there called Walton Lake. I've been going there for 50 years. Never had a siding there or anything happening, Bigfooty at that lake.
Starting point is 00:04:22 But east of there, northeast of there, there's a lake called Delintment Lake. and back in the 60s, it was very difficult to get to gravel road potholes and four-wheel drive type stuff, but it was a favorite haunt of my dad's because he was also an avid deer hunter. And we'd go up there in July or August, and he would scout for mule deer for the fall hunt. And so one year we were up there, we'd been at Walton Lake a few days, the fishing was no good. so we headed over to delintment. About a mile or two from the lake, we're inching along in our old Ford pickup up this road,
Starting point is 00:05:04 and I'll never forget this. A doe jumps up onto the road, it was on a hillside, it jumps up onto the road, and it's got three arrows sticking out of it, and they're all festered, and it's limping, it's in horrible shape. Back then, you know, compared to nowadays, when they have these high-tech crossbows or compound bows and things like that,
Starting point is 00:05:30 it was a lot less of a sure thing hunting with a bow in air. Anyway, my dad was not for hunting in that fashion back then. He was a rifle hunter. So we stopped to pick up and he reaches under the seat and pulls out his big handgun. I don't know what it was and went out and followed the deer up the hill a little way and put it out of its misery. So that was the beginning of an eventful trip there. We stayed, we arrived late in the evening and the next day fished all day.
Starting point is 00:06:02 My mom and dad had their sleeping bags and sleeping arrangement inside the canopy of the Ford pickup. And my dad had brought a pup tent, army issue pup tent for my sister and I. My sister's six years older than me. And he set that up for us in the campground. The other odd thing is we were the only ones can. camping there that weekend. And so it was kind of an eerie, I remember it being kind of an eerie feeling, you know. Usually there were other campers wherever we went and I would find somebody to play with or
Starting point is 00:06:35 at least, you felt like you weren't isolated. But we were the only ones there and the second night we were there, we'd gone to bed and my dad had put extra logs on the fire so that we could see inside the tent the firelight was light up the inside of the inside of the of the tent for my sister and I before we fell asleep. He made a habit of doing that wherever we were camping. So the fire is going real good and my mom and dad retire into the pickup. I hear the door closed. I remember thinking, okay, time to sleep. And we're laying there. And my sister and I hear something walking into camp and we're, you know, thinking, wow, we haven't been in the tent that long.
Starting point is 00:07:19 and it's probably a deer. There's also elk there and black bear, although we'd never seen any black bear in that campground. So we're laying there, and I remember laying on my back. This is in 1970, so I'm 10 years old. Laying on my back, and it's walking right by my side of the tent. My sister's laying on my right side. So with my left hand, I reach up to bang on the wall the tent to scare it off,
Starting point is 00:07:47 and it hits something solid. Like if this is a deer, I've just hit this deer right in the side. And you would think that if you hit a deer in the side, it would go running off, right? Well, this thing didn't run off. We could hear it take a few steps. And there's excitement in the tent now,
Starting point is 00:08:13 and my sister's sitting up. And she gets out of her sleep. bag to peek out the zipper, you know, the front door of the tent and screams and falls back onto her butt and just starts yelling for my dad. Dad, dad, dad, dad, come here, dad, dad. And I don't know what's going on. So canopy opens up. My dad jumps out. He's over at the tent door within seconds. What's going on? What's going on? And my sister says, there was a man standing by the fire. And now I'm really freaking out because we're the only ones there.
Starting point is 00:08:55 And I remember thinking, where did this person come from? And what were they, what are they doing in our camp? And my dad's milling around. He goes back to the truck and gets this big, one of those big old-fashioned flashlights that took the six-volt battery. He's shining it through the woods and walking around outside the camp. We don't see anything. and comes back and my sister is telling my dad that he had a suit on.
Starting point is 00:09:23 And I'm thinking like the kind you wear to church. And she says, and that's what my dad said, like a suit? And she says, no, like a fur suit, dad. And now I'm wondering why is there a man in our campground wearing a fur suit? you know, none of this is making sense. We all settled down and got out. We all got out. My mom got out of the truck and we're all around the fire for a little bit.
Starting point is 00:09:53 I think I remember her making something for us to eat to calm down. And then my dad says, I think we're all going to try to fit into the canopy tonight. So we got our sleeping bags out of the tent and jumped in the truck and, you know, stayed in there with him that night. Next morning, wake up a little bit late and dad's packing everything up. He's already taken the tent down. And we hadn't even blown up our rubber boat yet. We just got out of there. Went back to Walton Lake and stayed another night or two there.
Starting point is 00:10:23 There was a lot of people camping there. Never really talked about it with him. I've never even talked to my sister about it anymore than if I ask her about it. She'll just say, I have no idea what that was, but it was standing up. And that must have been what I hit in the side with my hand. So that was the first. thing again I didn't see anything all I know is that it was terrifying and especially for my sister and again very bizarre occurrence you were so young as well
Starting point is 00:11:02 that that morning the next morning that you woke up you said your dad was packing stuff up do you remember anything out of place about the campsite or or like any footprints or anything or just a thing you might not have really been looking for at the time? No, the only thing I can really say it was different is dad had his handgun in his holster. He was wearing it. And he never wore his gun. You know, we had it. There was always a pistol and a rifle available, but he never packed it, you know, had it open carry, so to speak. It was always tucked away. He had a locked box that he kept underneath the seat. the truck that the pistol was always in. And I thought that was kind of weird, you know, like he was ready for action.
Starting point is 00:11:51 But again, no one's still, there was still no one camp there. And when we left, we left the campground vacant, there were no one there after we left. But no, I don't remember any, him looking for footprints or anything like that. You know, he didn't see anything. He's just going by what my sister said. And, you know, she's 70 now and still claims. I don't know. She'll say, I don't know what that was.
Starting point is 00:12:16 I, you know, not really avoiding talking about it, but it was just for a brief second that she noticed something standing by the fire and fell back into the tent screaming, which apparently scared it off. So that's a pretty remote area over there, and there's been other sightings, you know, since then in that area, especially, you know, in the Blue Mountains just east of there. And so, yeah. when, and I know this happened a long time ago,
Starting point is 00:12:48 but when you hit the side of the tent and you hit something hard, did it feel like there was any, any like you had any cushion to it or, you know, how you have something that has a lot of, like, fur or hair so that you wouldn't just be hitting something that was really hard. There might be a little, you know, cushion when you hit it.
Starting point is 00:13:13 Yeah, there was a little bit of cushion, but, you know, thinking about it now, if I could recall it, the best I can describe it, would be like with the back of your hand hitting the side of a cow or a horse, you know, that kind of feeling. So I don't know if it was squatting down or it didn't feel like I, whatever it was, I'd hit it in the leg. In fact, I can remember distinctly thinking, I'd hit this thing in the side, you know, and there's not a very, very tall pup tent. that we were in, just a little two-man tent. But I, and I, it's been so long ago, Jeremiah, I don't know if I'm right or not, but it seems like I'd put my arm up and, and hit the side of the tent towards the roof of the tent. So maybe three or four feet off the ground. And, uh, and it didn't run off. Yeah. So really, really interesting introduction to the subject for you. How did that affect the rest of your time growing up?
Starting point is 00:14:14 Well, it didn't. It didn't even occur to me, or it didn't have any effect on me wanting to be an outdoorsman. Soon after that, when I was 12 years old, I think I joined a hiking group called the Shemeckadans here in Oregon and took many outdoor backpack and hiking trips with that group. As soon as I got old enough to drive, I started talking whoever would go with me into backpacking and camping. as soon as the snow melted, you know, enough, I was always in the woods. And never looking for Bigfoot, thinking about Bigfoot, always more concerned about black bears.
Starting point is 00:14:55 I can't say that I have a phobia about bears, but I've heard enough stories and seen enough things to be very wary of bears. And cougars. There's a lot of cougars in Oregon, and I've got a buddy who has had a close call with one hunting. too close calls hunting with Cougars. So that's always been my concern. But no, it didn't ever change my protocol or keep me from wanting to go into remote places,
Starting point is 00:15:26 not in fear of Bigfoot or anything like that. So then as you continue to grow up into adulthood, what would you say the next thing that you had experienced would have been? Well, I've kind of got it in chronological order here. So this is a strange one. In 1980, I was in college. I had never been deer hunting. So my friend Bob, my roommate and friend Bob, I'll call him today, got our hunting licenses.
Starting point is 00:16:02 I had a 30-30 Winchester. My dad had given me. He passed in 1973, but I'd never deer hunted, ever, not with him or otherwise. So this is my first deer hunting trip. Bob and I went to a little lake called Fur Lake on Big Meadows Road. above Marion Forks, which is east of Detroit, about 30 minutes. We hiked in. It's only a mile hike into Fur Lake.
Starting point is 00:16:29 I'd been there many times in the summer fishing and swimming. Beautiful little place to just hang out. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Let's go, girls. You know what I love about, Addie? Everything. Well, yeah, but it's as little as 20 bucks a month. Ooh, well, the little pink pill has always been a pretty big deal.
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Starting point is 00:19:38 So we got up there in the afternoon, hiked in, set up. our little camp right on the shore of the lake, tried fishing for a little bit, decided we'd wait till the next day to go hunting. And just kind of hanging out, Bob had brought two cans of chili. I'd forgotten my food bag, so that was all the food we had. So he's getting ready to heat up the chili for dinner, and I'm just kind of hanging out. And all of a sudden, he jumps up and goes down to the lake, and he's pointing across the lake, and there's a big old buck. standing on the shore, the opposite shore. And it's not very big lake for lakes, I don't know, maybe 20 acres.
Starting point is 00:20:19 So there's a big buck standing over there, and we're moving around, and it's not leaving. There's maybe half hour of daylight left, and Bob grabs his gun and starts making his way around the lake shore to see if you can get a shot at this buck. And I just stayed in camp. I don't know why, but I didn't go. I figured if he heard a gunshot, I'd go help him out. So he takes off. And as soon as he's around the other side of the lake, of course, the buck goes back into the woods.
Starting point is 00:20:53 And then I see Bob standing about where the buck was, and he goes off into the woods too. And, you know, like I said, not much light left, and it's getting darker and darker and Bob doesn't come back. And I'm starting to get worried. Then it gets dark. And Bob is still not back. I didn't remember him taking a flashlight with him, but I didn't think he had one.
Starting point is 00:21:22 It's pitch dark and it was overcast and there's no moonlight. And I don't know, maybe about an hour after that, still no Bob, but I hear three gunshots. you know, Bob, I'm figuring it's Bob firing his gun three times. So I grab my 30-30 and I do the same thing. I fire three shots thinking he needs to at least figure out which location I'm, or direction I am. So I do that.
Starting point is 00:21:51 I don't hear any more gunshots from Bob and he doesn't show up. I tried staying up with the fire stoke till, I don't know, 11 or 12 o'clock at night. Bob hasn't come back. So, and again, this is the absolute first night I've ever spent alone in the woods. So I got a tent there, and I'm in my tent. I remember bringing my axe and my hatchet and my machete, my gun, everything in the tent with me, you know. Like I'm going to go to war with the wilderness that night, but I fall asleep. And again, Bob hasn't returned.
Starting point is 00:22:30 I wake up in the morning. and the fire was still there's still coals in the fire i stoked it up got it going wasn't too too far long after uh daylight and here comes bob up the opposite shore the end of camp and he's got he looked pretty pretty bad he's got sticks sticking out of his hair he looks pretty rough like he'd been through that and he tells me that yeah he had followed that buck into a clearing and it had crossed the clearing kind of a swampy area
Starting point is 00:23:07 actually on the trail into the lake itself. He had to go off trail a little bit to keep following it but he said that it had gone across this little marshy area into the woods and he was sitting there at the edge of the woods waiting for it to come back out and he told me
Starting point is 00:23:26 there was still enough light on the meadow area, swampy area for him to see pretty good but as it got darker when he turned around to head back to camp of course the forest had swallowed the trail the darkness had swallowed the trail and he wasn't able to figure his way back to camp so he had he had some matches take he said he had a can of chewing tobacco no food or anything of course he did have his jacket it on. So he wasn't completely to expose. So he had enough sense to get a little fire going right there where the trail had ended into the clearing. And he got the fire going and just stayed by the
Starting point is 00:24:11 fire for the rest of the night. So here's the strange part. He said he woke up about maybe, he said a couple hours for daylight. So it must have been two or three in the morning, four in the morning. And he had been laying on the ground with his face on the ground. And when he opened his eyes and sat up, there's a dead rabbit a couple feet from his fire. The fire has almost died out. And he says, there's this rabbit. For one thing, I have never seen.
Starting point is 00:24:46 I've been Googling a little bit. There are rabbits in the Cascade Range, but I backpacked and camped, like I said, said all my life up there. I've never seen a wild rabbit on the west side of the Cascades. Jackrabbit's on the east side, but on the west side I have never seen any. So anyway, there's this rabbit laying there. Its neck is broken and whatever killed it had stepped on it or squished it so hard that one of its eyes had popped out. And Bob said he was immediately, you know, disturbed by this.
Starting point is 00:25:23 not only what left it, but whatever left it, where is it at? So needless to say, he didn't sleep anymore that night, had his gun at the ready, got his fire going more so he could see into the woods as much as possible. And he brought it back to camp with him when he got up that morning and came back to find me. And that was the first thing I asked him, I said, was that the three gunshots killing that rabbit? He says, and then he told me no. you know, something left it for me.
Starting point is 00:25:56 And then he had decided that maybe he just hadn't noticed the rabbit when, you know, he had stopped and started and made the fire. And then he'd go back to saying, no, that's impossible. I had that fire going good and I could see. I could see around me plenty to know. I would have noticed it. So we decided that something gifted him that rabbit for whatever reason. we still don't know.
Starting point is 00:26:25 So that was pretty strange. Yeah, your buddy Bob is one of the luckiest individuals I've ever heard of on this show. I mean, there are so many ways that could have gone horribly wrong. Absolutely. Oh, my goodness. And I challenge anyone to come up with a logical reason why there should be a rabbit right there with a brook. neck in a eye that's popping out of its head. I mean, yeah, that doesn't make sense.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Yeah, it was quite gruesome looking, you know. And then as a souvenir, Bob claimed it. We didn't eat the rabbit, but he caught off and cured and kept one of the rabbits' feet, you know, for good luck. I figured he's like, yeah, he felt the same way. He was kind of deciding, well, maybe it was a cougar or maybe it was a bear. or maybe it was a bear. You know, we weren't, I don't think we talked about it,
Starting point is 00:27:27 possibly being Bigfoot at all. But that's pretty unusual for a bear or a cougar to come into your camp and leave you at present like that. There's a little lake just before that called Fay Lake, F-A-Y. Both of them. Fay Lake is accessible by car. And I've heard of people having some strange things happen there. I've never camped right at Faye Lake.
Starting point is 00:27:51 But Ferry Lake I've been going to since 19, And it was always a favorite place to go, especially in the summer for swimming and good fishing there. And it's only a mile hike, so it's popular people who don't like to go far, but kind of get away from it all. So Fur Lake, did you still go to that same lake then after this time out there with Bob? Many times. Yes, many times. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't been there for a while, but for a few years.
Starting point is 00:28:23 but Her Lake was always a favorite, and Eight Lakes Basin right there, it's kind of at the foothills of Eight Lakes Basin, and I spent most of my younger years exploring and backpacking just south of Mount Jefferson in that area. So I was well acquainted with darn near every lake in that area. I love bushwhack trout fishing. I became quite good at orientering when I was young, and trusted. my skills enough to hike off trail to these lakes that don't have trails. And, you know, so sometimes the fishing was amazing. Sometimes they were void of fish, but it was always an adventure and very rewarding to find
Starting point is 00:29:07 these lakes that maybe no one's ever been to. You know, I finally, it took me a while, but I finally found it because I like to fall along with maps during interviews. Sure. I did. Okay, so it's, yep, there it is. turpentine loop trailhead and yeah yep okay wow follow big meadows road in there about a mile and a half and there's a pull out for you to park and hike into fur lake you know you know so actually i i am going
Starting point is 00:29:42 to have some questions at the very end i'm gonna i'm gonna let you continue what you would like to bring first but i do have a few definitely a few questions afterwards very good so while you have your map out maybe you can find Harvey Lake. It's in the Waldo Lake Wilderness, would be south of Waldo Lake, kind of up there close to your favorite haunt outside of Oak Ridge. So in 19, see what year was that, 1992, yeah, 1992, five of my friends from work and I went into Waldo Lake Wilderness for Memorial Day.
Starting point is 00:30:30 going to stay for five nights exploring and fishing in Waldo Lake Wilderness. We parked and left on or got on the trail, ironically, at Skookham Creek Trailhead. So, you know, back then I didn't know what a skookum was. It's very squatchy in there, as you know. You step off the road 10 feet outside Oak Ridge and you feel vulnerable. So we go into, first night was at Wahana. Lake, a big old lake. No good fishing there. So the next day, my buddy, Bruno and I, we scout out Harvey Lake, leaving other guys at Wahana to see if the fishing would be better there. His first two casts, he landed two trout over 18 inches. And this guy would die to catch a trout. So he's like, you know, we're moving. So, okay. So we go back and tell the guys, and we all pack up and
Starting point is 00:31:27 move over to Harvey Lake. sadly once we got to Harvey Lake stayed three nights there kind of base camped out of Harvey Lake exploring the area spent three nights there didn't catch another fish but while we were there
Starting point is 00:31:45 if you can get Harvey Lake on your map right behind it to the west southwest there's a small little hill kind of a miniature of a little butte that sticks up out of the ground rises above the terrain maybe a couple hundred feet. It's kind of rocky on one side, rocky cliffy on one side and fairly steep. So back then we just had topography maps.
Starting point is 00:32:13 But I could see on the map that the topography indicated that it was a high, pretty high little hill above everything. I was thinking if we got to the top of that, might be able to see the surrounding area. There's a couple lakes south of their Kiwa Lake. and I thought we might be able to see down into the basin a little bit from there. So anyway, my friend Sean and I and Mike, Bruno was too busy trying to catch his fish. So Sean and I and Mike, we climbed to the top of this Butte. And on the southwest side of this but it's cliffy and there's a lot of loose rock. So we get up there and I'm looking around and I look over and my friend Sean is sitting on his butt
Starting point is 00:32:56 trying to push this boulder over the side so it'll roll down into the forest and this rock was you know if I was to take a measurement if I remember it was about five foot by five foot big old rock maybe a thousand pounds of rock and he he's rocking it he's making it move but he's not enough to get it to roll so right or wrong Mike and I join him we get behind it you know One, two, three, push. After a couple tries, we break this thing loose. It rolls down the hill, takes out a couple smaller trees, and bam, comes to rest against this old growth dug fur. I thought it was going to actually take that tree.
Starting point is 00:33:42 It was a big rock. Take that tree out, too, but it didn't. It just rested up against it. So we were all kind of like, wow, that was crazy. and we milled around a little bit up there, couldn't see much. So we climbed down, and I'm checking out this boulder. And it was pretty much kind of rectangular shape, but it was longer than it was wide. And it's resting against this tree, did some damage to the tree, but it didn't break it.
Starting point is 00:34:11 And that was that. Went back to camp. And actually, we went back to camp and made a sauna out of a tarp and heated rocks in the file. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Let's go, girls. You know what I love about Addy? Everything? Well, yeah, but it's as little as $20 a month.
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Starting point is 00:37:12 It was wonderful. Had a really nice sauna that night. I was nursing a cold, so I couldn't taste or smell anything, which is horrible when you're in the woods. You know, you want to smell the pine trees and taste the fish. We got in the sauna, and I was able to taste and smell, and I had the guys bring me my dinner so I could eat it in there. I could actually taste my food.
Starting point is 00:37:35 So anyway, we do that and go to bed, get up the next morning, and we're just kind of of wondering what to do. Sean wants to go back and tip some more rocks. So we go over there to where we'd been on the little Butte. And there's the boulder, but it's been moved. And it's about 10, 15 feet up the hill from where it came to the rest of the tree. It's not against the tree anymore. It has been tipped over uphill and rolled over once more, and it's just sitting there.
Starting point is 00:38:12 and you can see the damage that it had done to the tree now, right? Because it's not resting against it. And my buddy Sean and I are both looking at it like, how did that happen? And he had decided that, well, it was at a strange angle, you know, where it came to rest. It must have just settled when it settled or the roundup from, he had all these ideas on how it happened, but none of them fit what we were looking at was just a thousand pound rock. Boulder. Like I said, it had been rolled back, tore uphill backwards, and then once again, flipped again. So we both looked each other and kind of got a funny feeling, like a real dark feeling about it.
Starting point is 00:39:00 Like we were doing something we weren't supposed to or in an area we weren't supposed to be. Went back to camp. I joined my friend Bruno at the end of the lake and was telling him about it. And here comes Sean with his map. And he's like, let's move. and we had a couple more nights left. And we packed everything up and didn't really make that the reason why we were leaving. But the fishing wasn't any good. So we decided to leave. And I remember being glad that I wasn't there after that.
Starting point is 00:39:30 So in 2002, there was a fire there in 1996. In 2002, I was curious about the damage. It burned the whole wilderness. It was a horrible fire. In 2002, I went back in there and stayed at Upper Irma Bell Lake, dayhiked down into Harvey Lake to check out the damage, just to see it again. I had to have my fishing pull with me. And I was with a guy named Steve, and I told Steve about the rock and curiosity got us. And we went around the backside of the hill again to check it out.
Starting point is 00:40:11 Now everything's burned. You can clearly see into the forest, you know, like you couldn't before. And rock's still there. Hadn't been moved anymore. But I explained to him. And the tree's still there. And the damage to it is not noticeable now because it's been mostly burned. But you can see through the forest enough.
Starting point is 00:40:32 There's another little lake that we didn't know was there, didn't explore little lake just southwest of that hill. And so we walked through the woods to that and found bear tracks in the mud over there. So that was kind of curious, but very strange, you know, very strange. However that rock got moved, I'll never know. But I remember hearing some stories on YouTube about big boulders being thrown at people, big rocks weighing hundreds of pounds traveling 50, 60 feet. And of course my encounter in 1979, it made it logical that maybe, you know, if there was Bigfoot, maybe two or three of them got behind that rock just to piss us off or to show their dominance
Starting point is 00:41:23 or to show their position and move that thing uphill. So, and this was not a slight slope. This is a very steep slope. You had, you know, you're using hands and boots to get up it. You couldn't just walk up it. you kind of had to lean into the hill and climb it, grabbing onto roots. So it was pretty steep hill. How close to its original spot was that rock left?
Starting point is 00:41:53 Well, from where it rested on the tree, it was, like I said, maybe it appeared that it had been rolled back down on its back, so to say, so to speak, and then flipped once more uphill. So 15, 10, 15 feet maybe. Oh, okay. Got it. Got it. I mean, still, I'd be right there with you. I mean, it would, that would, man, I'd be, I'd be thinking like, yeah, this is, this is not the place maybe for us. If something can get that big of a rock to just move.
Starting point is 00:42:31 It really did change the way I felt about staying any longer. It felt wrong to be up there knocking that bowl. or loose, really. I, you know, there was no one in danger below us, but, you know, just it seemed destructive. But we did it anyway. I mean, I'm not saying right or wrong, we did it. And it alerted someone or something, right, to our presence for sure. We weren't thinking Bigfoot.
Starting point is 00:43:02 I didn't stay up that night or think about it or look for it or look for tracks or anything after even after we'd noticed it had been moved. I just knew that I you know I'm 10 men couldn't move that rock you know no way absolutely I think this this area is still shut down right pretty sure it yeah I think it is I think you're right yeah it's after a fire like that it's it's dangerous to be in there you know the tree balls are common especially when the wind comes up and it's really quite sad it was such a beautiful area and it'll grow back but it wiped out every tree you know for miles back in there i can't imagine that that would be absolutely crazy there there is uh since we're in this area
Starting point is 00:43:54 uh this i ask this all the time so you you probably have heard me ask it there's another area over there where i heard a lot about this in oakridge at the festival Sasquatch summer fest a lot of people would talk about weird stuff happening around Spirit Lake. Yeah, I've heard it too. You've heard that too? Absolutely. Oh, no way.
Starting point is 00:44:21 Yeah, and a DiLeo Lake. I've never heard that. Which is, it's named after three guys, Ed, D, and Leo. It's a pretty good-sized lake across the drain middle Willamette, Middle Fork of the Willamette drainage, or gorge as you put it and you know that's a rugged area the the canyon walls in that area are not you know it's it's not walkable off the backside of upper irma bell lake there's a waterfall unnamed i invite you know your listeners to take a trip backpack trip in there check it out the outlet to
Starting point is 00:45:02 upper irma bell lake there's a waterfall a quarter mile on the backer you're side of the lake down the hill it's 150 feet tall it's just beautiful oh wow and from there the canyon drops off practically vertically down into middle north uh middle fork of the willamette so very few people go back up in there i have a friend who did a kayak trip in there he's crazy kayaker this guy likes to kayak you know unnamed tributaries he's he's He's way more adventures than I am, but somehow he made his way back up in there and almost lost his life due to hypothermia, trying to navigate that fork of the Willamette River in the winter in November a few years ago. So that's another story, but not Bigfoot related, but it's very remote and very rugged. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:46:01 I mean, this area, I mean, the area I was in is nothing compared to. what's over there from what I've heard. But so during Spirit or regarding Spirit Lake, what are the exact things that you've heard about that area? Okay, so that guy mentioned named Bob. Yep. He's got a friend named Jeff. Okay.
Starting point is 00:46:24 He likes to hunt. And he was not at Spirit Lake, but he was on a road close to Spirit Lake and saw lights in the forest that at first he thought were headlamps off ATV vehicles. until they floated above the trees and over the tops of the trees across the ridge away from him. So he thinks it was UFOs. And now, you know, since my interest in accounts from other people has risen recently, I've been hearing other stories about people seeing lights.
Starting point is 00:47:05 But when you mentioned Spirit Lake, that was the first thing I thought. I thought I should get a hold of Jeff and ask him to elaborate. on that story. Unfortunately, he's not on Facebook and hopefully he's still around, but I don't know if he is or not. I wasn't able to do that. Absolutely. So that is really interesting. So now in this area, we have reports of that, but also all the sticks in the lake, going, making a circle every night. And then the gentleman who was chased out by Sasquatch that looked like, It had like dreadlock type hair, which is really unique. But I've heard it one other time, super unique. So yeah, that's a weird area, man.
Starting point is 00:47:53 Yeah, when I first started listening to your broadcasts and figuring out that there were quite a few of were centered around the Oak Ridge area and that you have the festival there, that's really what I recalled to myself, like for the first time and a long time, the rock thing, the Boulder thing. I was thinking, well, if I ever do talk to you, I'd like to mention that, even though it wasn't a siding.
Starting point is 00:48:16 You know, I know you have different classifications for sightings, but again, to reduce the possibility of that being done by anything else is basically an impossibility. While we're on the subject of lights in the forest, I would like to include something that happened to me in 1978. I took it with three or four other friends, two of which were professional level mountain climbers. And we were going to attempt to climb Mount Jefferson. I'd never been technical mountain climbing before, you know, with ropes and such. I got a little bit of training from both of them before we went. But we were going to attempt to climb it. It was in August.
Starting point is 00:49:05 So, you know, good time of year to try it. no snow on the mountain or not much. So we backpacked in to Jeff Park, which is on the north side of Mount Jefferson, to a little lake called Scout Lake. There were other people camped in the area that were either just backpacking or preparing to climb.
Starting point is 00:49:29 We played around for the afternoon, did some boulder climbing in the immediate area to kind of get practice and pass the time. beautiful weekend to be in the forest. It was, you know, blue sky. No chance of rain, you know, 70 degrees, 80 degrees, whatever. August, nice August day. I don't know if we took tense or not,
Starting point is 00:49:56 but we decided that it would be a good night to Cowboy Camp just underneath the stars, you know, it's amazing starlight up there at night. So we spread out on a kind of flat area above, Scout Lake, you know, 10 feet from each other, put our sleeping bags out. I don't believe we made a fire. We had camp stove, made, you know, freeze-dried food or whatever, and we're retiring early so we could get up the lead climber, Chris, he wanted us up before daylight, on the trail before daylight, because an attempt at the summit would take all day. He wanted to get,
Starting point is 00:50:31 get up there for the winds picked up, whatever reason. It was his call. So we were in bed. That time of year it doesn't get dark till 10 o'clock. I can remember still being a little bit of light, you know, in the horizon. Laying there on my back, I remember having my hands behind my head. Everybody's talking back and forth. One of the guys there was a member of Greenpeace. He was telling us about his adventures and save the whales type thing. And something crazy happened, Jeremiah. I'm laying there and all of a sudden the entire campsite, at least enveloping all the guys, you know, that were laying on their bags there, my entire campsite lit up in bright fluorescent flashbulb intensity light. Like someone had turned on a switch and there was a spotlight shining on our camp. So as soon as I noticed it, of course, I sat up in my sleeping bag,
Starting point is 00:51:35 and the first thing I did was put my arms out in front of me. And I remember thinking, if I can see a shadow, I'll be able to tell where the source of this light's coming from. So I put my arms out, my hands are spread, fingers are spread. But there's no shadow. There's nothing. My underside of my arms, everything is enveloped in this light, and I can't tell where it's coming from. The really strange thing about it is, I couldn't tell you if it was on for 10 seconds or 10 minutes or 2 hours.
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Starting point is 00:55:13 My friend Larry, he was the closest to me. He's up out of his bag. with his little flashlight now turned on, and he's looking around camp, you know, outside of camp. Why, I don't know, he figured somebody was standing there with a spotlight, but it wasn't like that. It wasn't like anything that, you know, you could write off as being man-made.
Starting point is 00:55:37 It was completely bizarre. Again, something like that you'd think would rattle all of us enough to not sleep at all, but we did sleep, got up at the same at the right time chris was waking everybody up we got on the trail and from scout lake there's another little lake by it called bays lake we went right by the shoreline of that lake on our way to the lower flanks of the mountain there's two or three guys camped right by on the shore of bays lake so i went off trail down into their camp while these guys kept going up the trail i wanted to know if these other pepels
Starting point is 00:56:16 as had seen anything. So I went and asked him, did you guys see any bright lights last night? And they both looked at each other and at me and shook their heads. No, we didn't see anything. One of the guys said, we were up after dark. It asked me what time I thought it was when it happened. And I told them, and they again said,
Starting point is 00:56:35 nope, we didn't see a thing. So I rejoined my friends. And we got on the lower flank, a snowfield heading up Mount Jefferson. and down comes this, down the hill comes this, down the snow field comes these two rescue guys with rescue outfits on telling us, I don't know if it's a good day to go to the top. There's a dead guy up on top on the summit, and we're in the process of trying to recover his body, which really shook me. I thought, wow, you know, you can die climbing this mountain, and they said it was a lightning strike from the day before.
Starting point is 00:57:16 couple days before he'd gone missing and that's where he ended up dying on top. So that didn't deter my friend Chris out of curiosity or whatever determination. We kept going. So we continue up the snowfield. We all have ice axes with us in case, you know, you slip and fall, you can do that arrest maneuver to keep yourself from sliding all the way down the mountain. Anyway, we all have our ice axes out. I'm the third one in line.
Starting point is 00:57:47 Larry, my friend Larry's in front of me. Chris is leading us up the snowfield. And I asked Chris, I said, dude, what do you think those lights were? And I didn't even finish my question to him. And he stops and turns around and he's shaking that ice axe at me saying, shut up, Joey. I don't even want to hear about it. That's not what we're here for.
Starting point is 00:58:08 And that's not a concern right now. Something to that effect. turned around and kept going and I was like okay man okay we got up to eventually made it up to the saddle before you get the final ascent up to the top and we rested there and honestly I was too fearful to go it was getting technical and there was some exposure involved with the next thing we did so I decided I didn't want to attempt to go to the top Chris kind of was disappointed in me and he goes, if you're not going, then none of us are going. And we turned around and came back. Didn't talk about it anymore. Spent one more night in the same place. That following night,
Starting point is 00:58:53 I was sitting up waiting for it to happen again. Of course, it didn't. And that's the end of that story. We hiked out, you know, and never talked about it again. Very strange. you know i wonder if there's almost a form of missing time in that as well when you're like you you couldn't remember how long it actually lasted for with those lights i can't and you know it feels i feel this real deep sense of frustration when i ponder that not the duration of how long it was on If I could guess, I would say just a few seconds, but I don't know. I don't know. I contacted maybe not immediately, but a year or two later, I contacted Oregon State University.
Starting point is 00:59:45 Somebody there, meteorological department or something I can't remember exactly. And I asked them what they thought it would be. I told them there was no clouds in the sky. You know, you can hear about static lightning. one guy proposed that maybe it was a meteor, you know, or sometimes that'll light up the ground if it's close enough, but the guys in the next camp didn't see anything. It was like it was just isolated to our camp.
Starting point is 01:00:17 And it did feel like that when I sat up. It seemed like, you know, the light was just encompassing the area we were all in, but outside of that it was still dark. So trippy. Absolutely. I think, man, you know, it's one of those accounts where, you know, you almost wonder what would have happened, excuse me, what would have happened if you'd kept going, but it almost feels like you made the right call, you know? Yeah, I would have been okay with the rest of the guys completing the summit climb.
Starting point is 01:00:57 There were actually other people on the summit, I suppose, attending to the fellow who, you know, had a lot of, lost his life. He was still up there. Couldn't see from there, but couldn't see him. But you could tell that it was occupied by more than one person. I would have been fine. I wasn't really experienced enough to go back down on my own. But I remember feeling relieved when Chris said, we've gone far enough today. We stayed there at the beginning of that saddle across to the summit for half hour, 45 minutes, just taking in the view. Nobody was talking much. One of the guys on that trip, my friend Todd, him and I talked about, you know, those lights for you. Him and I did lots of backpack trips together after that. And we, you know, always came up whenever we were back in the woods together. You know, what was that? But never really came to any conclusions. Of course, he thought it was a UFO and we'd been abducted.
Starting point is 01:01:56 I don't even include that in my account. It's just a complete mystery to me. and that's as far as I care to comment on it. But it brings up a good point where, you know, usually individuals that have, you know, Bigfoot experiences, they're also, I would say 99% of the time, they are going to have other things they've experienced too, whether it be strange lights or maybe even what can be considered paranormal things.
Starting point is 01:02:27 Yeah. More often than not, yeah, you've got other things that go on in your life besides the Bigfoot stuff. So I don't know what the connection is there, but it's very interesting. Sure. Yeah, I agree. So before I get to my really exciting encounter,
Starting point is 01:02:48 there is one other thing I want to mention briefly on a bushwhack trout fishing trip in Three Sisters Wilderness. Okay. In 19, see what I have here, 1980. Yeah, about 1980, I guess. My friend Nick and I did a bushwhack trip into a lake called Boot Lake. It's off trail about half of mile east of Cliff Lake in the Mink Lake basin.
Starting point is 01:03:24 Beautiful little trout lake. I'm not afraid to mention a name because unless you have orienteering skills, you're never going to find it. It's not very big. It's very rugged terrain. and the likelihood of it becoming a popular spot or very unlikely. So anyway, we'd been in there. No, actually, this was the first time we'd been to Boot Lake. I'd been back after that a few times because of the fishing is good.
Starting point is 01:03:51 So this is the first time we went into Boot Lake from Cliff Lake, went east up of Boulder Field into Boot Lake. I was so happy to find it. And it was very deep at one end. My favorite thing to see when I find. these lakes you know because that's an indicator of some good trout habitat so we make camp on top of this little hill there's a tombstone shaped rock right in the middle of campsite with a fire ring around it but the some of the rocks have been scattered no sign of anyone
Starting point is 01:04:25 being there for a long time except for an ancient weathered Folgers one pound coffee can it looked like somebody had used to boil or cook in and a deteriorating little fire grill, like it was square, like you'd see like on a barbecue, like a cheap barbecue. So there was those two things. It was only two things that were any evidence of someone being there. We thought that was pretty cool. Like, wow, this is great. And my guess was right about the trout fishing.
Starting point is 01:05:00 The first cast I made into that lake, I landed. released a brook trout over 20 inches which is huge for a brook trout so that was that still is one of the biggest trout i've ever caught brook trout anyway so we fixed up the fire ring made a fire that night had a little yukon jack my friend nick and i just so happy to be in the forest and i'd left the coffee i wanted to take the coffee can and the little grill with me just for one thing it was you know it didn't need to be there and it wasn't part of the natural setting, so I was going to remove it. I had it sitting off to the side of the fire ring a little bit.
Starting point is 01:05:42 I had the coffee can on top of the grill just sitting there. We go to bed that night, and I get up the next morning, and the coffee can and the grill are gone. So I started looking around, think we didn't hear anything that night. I didn't, don't remember even hearing deer come into the camp or anything. And there's a lot of black bear in that area, but right or wrong, bear bagging my food and all that, or being bare wary is not something I'm very well, very good at. I don't do any of that. I don't take peanut butter sandwiches in the
Starting point is 01:06:19 tent with me, but, you know, we didn't do anything to prevent animals from taking anything. Nothing else was disturbed. Our packs were still where they were, so looked around for a while and couldn't find any, couldn't find the can or the grill. So just kind of wrote it off as being strange. That afternoon, Nick and I followed the outlet creek, which is dried up that time of year, just a creek bed. It went down the southeast side of the lake into another lake called Vogel Lake. About a quarter mile down the hill, the creek outlet from Boot Lake met up with another tributary coming from another direction. Both are all dried up now. But they joined down there and a few hundred
Starting point is 01:07:08 yards short of Vogel Lake and then continued into the lake from there across a marsh. So we stopped there for a second. I was going to look for animal tracks in the dried mud there where the two creeks came together. There was quite a large little area of dried mud. And I'm looking in the creek bed and I hear my friend Nick go, check this out. And I turn around and he's holding up the coffee can. So I was like, oh, there it is. We didn't find the grill, but there's the coffee can. How it got down there, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:07:39 You know, it could have been a bear. But why would a bear come into camp and take that old coffee can? It's been there forever and not try to get into our packs. We had lots of goodies in there. I'm sure it would have been more interesting than an old coffee can. But that's what we decided that a bear had come. And my friend Nick, I remember him saying, well, maybe the sense, of your hands is on that can and you know he just took off with it didn't seem likely but where was the
Starting point is 01:08:09 grill and why how did the bear carry the grudel off right i mean that's so weird yeah seem likely that it yeah that's one of those it makes you wonder man it's like and just the the weird timing like you're like i'm gonna i'm gonna take these now no you're not exactly oh man that's weird okay So thanks for letting me share that. Yeah. Okay. And then I'd like to move on to, and I'll try not to take so long and telling all this. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:08:40 In 1979 was my first Bigfoot siding. It was on Labor Day weekend. At Silver Creek Falls, YMCA Camp, it's a group camp complex within the boundaries of Silver Creek Falls State Park. Every year my church had a family camp there during Labor Day weekend, Friday night through Monday. And I grew up in First Christian Church since I was just a little guy. I still am a very involved member of First Christian Church. So I'm 19 years old and working at the canary. I couldn't go up on Friday.
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Starting point is 01:12:00 Mabelene, New York. So I waited until Saturday to go up with my friend David, who him and I were both on the gymnastics team. in high school together. He's two years younger than me. His parents' previous year had died in a plane wreck on North Sister, a horrible, horrible accident. And after that tragedy, Dave was, I kept him under my wing,
Starting point is 01:12:39 and we were very good friends. So anyway, I invited Dave to come along with me, which he did. We got up there on a Saturday morning, and all of the cabins had been taken by family. in the main area down by the swimming pool, which was fine because there was another complex on the side of the hill called the hillside that had eight or ten cabins, but wasn't being used by anybody in our church. Our pastor told us, Pastor Chero told us, guys, go ahead and, if you want, go ahead and grab a cabin over there, which we thought, that's great, you know,
Starting point is 01:13:15 cool. So we went over in my car in the afternoon and found a cabin about halfway up the hill unrolled our sleeping bags on on bunk beds across from each other it was a screen-enclosed cabin it didn't have solid walls so from chest high up to the roof there's just a screen on the outside which they closed up with with boards in the winter if you can get a picture of what that might look like rolled out our sleeping bags and you know set up our little deal there went back down and spent the evening with church families had dinner and music and you know, all that. It was a lot of fun. About 10 o'clock or so, Dave and I went back to our cabin, got in, went inside and sat on the floor between our bunks and played cards for a while.
Starting point is 01:14:06 And I'm thinking it was maybe 11 or 12 o'clock when we finally crawled into our bunks and fell asleep. And I woke up right at first daylight to what I thought was a squirrel or a bird, eating pine cones and dropping pieces of pine cone on the roof. There was a tin roof cabin. I could hear something hitting the roof of the cabin and rolling off, you know, boom, boom, boom, boom, down the roof onto the ground. So I woke up and a few seconds later, I realized it's not a pine cone.
Starting point is 01:14:43 That sounds like a rock. And one of them hits the roof on Dave's side, rolls down his side of the cabin, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't onto the ground. and I'm kind of thinking that's really strange. So I set up again and then two rocks, one right after another hit the cabin. One of them sounded a little bit bigger than another. Boom, boom, boom, boom, bump, bump onto the ground.
Starting point is 01:15:07 And now I'm like, what the heck is going on? So I get out of my bunk onto the floor. And since the rocks are falling off that side of the cabin, I go over and put my arms up on Dave's bunk, he's still sleep. And I'm looking out trying to see if I see anything. It's just barely lighten up to see. And I don't notice anything. And Dave is awake now.
Starting point is 01:15:34 Kind of like, what are you doing? And I told him, you know, something's going on. And just as I'm saying that, I hear something lying through the air. You could hear the sound of it, whooshing through the air, and it's a rock. and it hits a fir tree outside the cabin, maybe 30 feet out from the cabin, about 30 feet up, and smashes the bark on the tree and falls to the ground and rolls down the hill. Big rock. Maybe the size of a big grapefruit.
Starting point is 01:16:11 When we later recovered it, my buddy Dave took it home as a souvenir. It weighed 16 pounds. So it was a big rock. And it was thrown with such force that, like I said, you could hear it flying through the air before it hit the tree. And now we're really awake and wondering what was going on. And if someone's pranking us, you know, my mind can't make sense of what's happening. If someone's pranking us, how did they propel that rock like that? And are we in danger right now?
Starting point is 01:16:45 So we're looking out and, well, we're still in the cabin. Dave hasn't gone outside the cabin yet. We're looking out the window and another rock comes rolling down the hill, a bigger one, like a basketball-sized rock, rolls past the cabin and continues down the hill. And without warning, Dave jumps out of his bunk. He's just got on his shorts, no shirt, you know, no shoes, and goes out the screen door and runs up the hill trying to figure out who's doing this. And I stayed at the cabin, but I moved from looking out the window to the back of the cabin
Starting point is 01:17:25 so I could see if Dave saw anything. And just before that, I had yelled thinking that it might be my friend Kelly. He was one of my best friends at church. I thought, for some reason, is he out here doing that? And I'm like, hey, Kelly, is that you? What are you doing? No answer, of course. So Dave's running up the hill and above the cabin, maybe 100, 150 feet, the clearing ends,
Starting point is 01:17:52 and it's old-growth rhododendron bushes up there and old growth, you know, fir trees, forest, thick forest. He's getting close to that and something catches my eye and off to the right, I see my first big foot come up from behind a roadie bush, maybe six-foot tall rhododendron. And it's standing up and it pushes the bush down. down next to it and steps over it. I saw its leg come up. I saw its arm holding the bush down. And it steps over it and it's gone into the forest. And I'm, I'm speechless. I know others can understand that I've seen a big foot the first time you just, I was in shock. I felt vulnerable. I was,
Starting point is 01:18:40 I was amazed, you know, at what I had seen. And Dave is still milling around up there. He didn't see anything, and he comes right back, and comes in the screen door, and I grabbed him by both shoulders. I said, we need to get out of here. I just saw a Bigfoot or something like that. We need to get out of here. And we grabbed our stuff the best we could and threw it in my car
Starting point is 01:19:04 and went up to the community center, nobody was up from my church yet it was very early there were some cooks in the kitchen making breakfast we waited there until people started coming in and one of the first to come in was my pastor and we immediately told him what we had what had happened and what I had seen and he was looking at us kind of side-eyed like okay we didn't go back immediately but later had forgotten his jacket. We didn't know what else we missed, you know, in the hurry. So we had the pastor go back there with us and retrieved the jacket and look around a little bit. We found the big rock that had rolled past the cabin. We found the rock that it hit the tree. And it left a good
Starting point is 01:20:00 size mark on that fir tree that it hit. It was quite incredible. Down to the underbark, it was crazy how the force that it would have taken to do that. So we climbed back up the hill and Pastor has got this 16 pound rock in his arms. We're walking up the hill and don't find any tracks. Of course, it's just all kind of, you know, the forest. If there's mostly fur needles and duff, there's no way you're going to find a footprint, especially in August. So we walk up behind the first kind of set of row.
Starting point is 01:20:39 to dinner and bushes were kind of spread out looking around. I was over in the act at the bush where I'd seen the big foot stand up looking in there, nothing, you know. And pastor says, hey guys, come here. So we go over to where he is standing and he shows, he says, check this out. And there's a hole in the ground there. And he takes the rock that he's got in his hand and he sets it down inside this hole and it fits perfectly. And what I remember giving me the chill was you set that rock in the hole. It fit perfectly in the hole. And the watermark, you know how a rock buried kind of halfway
Starting point is 01:21:20 in the ground when you pull it out. It's lighter on top and dark, you know, moist or wet underneath. The watermark on the rock matched up perfectly. And Pastor made the comment, whoever pulled this out of the ground did it you know they just pulled this out of the ground easily there's no marks or where you you and i would have to take a shovel jeremiah to get that dislodged that rock it looked like somebody just reached down and grabbed it with their hand and twisted it a little bit and pulled it out and then stepped a few feet you could almost imagine where they threw it from which was a good hundred over a hundred feet i'd say from that
Starting point is 01:22:03 bush, the first roadie bush, to the tree that it hit. So I don't know what the world record is for a shot put, but I know it's not 100, you know, 100 feet. So that kind of spooked us. And it spooked pastor too. And, you know, I wanted him to explain to us. And he didn't have an explanation, you know, he didn't say, you know, well, there's some dangerous people up here or it being caused by anything man-made, no mention of a Bigfoot. And he said, well, maybe what you saw was actually a big foot. He said, he did say, if it wasn't a bear,
Starting point is 01:22:46 and this thing was not a bear, it was not a bear. It was not a bear. It stood up. It wasn't light enough to see any features except for the size of it. And I don't know how tall it was. it was as broad as it was tall it was massive i never like i said i'd never seen anything like it and i did not feel i didn't feel safe i was i was still inside the cabin and i felt like you know the more i thought about it the more it scared me like i felt like it could have come right up to
Starting point is 01:23:20 that screen window and seen us sleeping in there because we were on the top bunks at any moment it could have just reached through that screen and grabbed me, you know, I mean, easily, or it could have thrown that rock through the screen and hurt us. So obviously, you know, my conclusion was that these things are smart and cunning and creative and curious and dangerous. You know, I've heard that they can be. I figured that perhaps they're dangerous if you threaten them in a violent way, you know, if you shoot at one like any animal. But it had every opportunity.
Starting point is 01:24:07 It could have just walked through the door and grabbed us. You know, there's no walk on the screen door into the cabin. So sadly, my friend Dave, he kept the rock as a doorstop. He didn't like talking about it much. It scared him. But he kept the rock for many years. we'd always kind of poke fun at it when I'd go to visit him he passed away back in 2010 sadly so I'm the only survivor of that story but yeah so in an instant I like many have said I went from I don't know if
Starting point is 01:24:43 I was a non-believer but I was a skeptic to a full-blown you know their real type proclamation How many seconds do you think it was that you you'd actually seen it like behind I think it was behind the bush and it stepped over the bush, right? I didn't know it was behind the bush until it stood up when Dave had gotten up to the first kind of set of rhododendrons there and he was maybe 50 feet to the left of it. He didn't hear a thing and I can't say I heard it either. I didn't hear anything, but my attention was immediately drawn to the right. of him when it stood up and put its arm out to hold the bush, you know, next to it. It was like he was pushing it down so he could step over it. And that's what he did. He took his, I guess it would have been his left leg and stepped up over this bush and spun around.
Starting point is 01:25:41 So his right leg followed him and then off into the woods. So I didn't see it for more than all that happened within, you know, three or four seconds. from him standing up making the move and disappearing into the woods leaving me there with like, holy crap. Wow. And it's a thing where, so you did not see like facial details, but were you able to tell like if it was covered with hair and length of hair at all?
Starting point is 01:26:09 Yeah, it was real dark still, but it looked black. Okay. You know, it looked black and covered with hair. I'm assuming that it was. But, you know, sadly, it wasn't a little lighter out. I would have loved to got a better look at it now. I can say that. I don't know about actually being there and wishing that on anyone.
Starting point is 01:26:31 But, yeah, not much detail. Just the size of it stood out. I could see definition, you know, how broad it was. And then how quickly and quietly it moved away, too, was surprising. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Let's go, girls So you've been taking one of these little pink pills daily? Yeah.
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Starting point is 01:29:47 Silvertin is to the north, which has a lot of accounts there. And then you've got Malala, Colton. But it's the biggest state park in Oregon. It almost was a national park, actually, but they shut that down in 1920s. It never passed. Right. But there's actually other reports in that. state park of visuals, which is interesting.
Starting point is 01:30:10 You look around, you can find them. It's on the BFRO and stuff like that. Sure. So, you know, there was, it's just curious because, you know, I see a lot of the expeditions to look for Bigfoot, you know, Todd Standing and Lester, all those guys. They're in these ultra remote locations. Right. You know, that you can't, you and I can't get there.
Starting point is 01:30:35 and they're looking for them up there. But both of my sightings were, you know, there was 150 people at that family camp. Not right there on the hillside complex where Dave and I were, but altogether there's people running around all over there all day long. And then my second sighting, same story. I'll go right into that now, so I don't keep you too long here, Jeremiah. Sure.
Starting point is 01:31:02 It was at Detroit Lake in 1995. on the 2nd of July. My birthday's 4th of July. And it was on the island at Detroit Lake Piety Island at the boat camp there. I was there with my friend Steve and his girlfriend were in my camp. We had taken a campsite furthest up the hill away from other people that had come out there. It was about a dozen of us that had come out to boat camp. I had a jet ski. And we'd done this several times right there. They do the fireworks at Detroit Lake on the third. So there's always fun to celebrate my birthday and to see the fireworks there, swimming and fishing and whatnot. So on the second of July, I had just finished kind of partying and hanging out in a campground down on the beach with my friend Sean and his girlfriend,
Starting point is 01:31:56 several others. That was kind of the meeting place for everybody on that trip. And my friend Steve and I and his girlfriend Nancy returned to our camp. So I was pretty late. I'm not really sure what time, maybe 11, 12. I don't know. They went right to bed. Our tents were set up next to each other. They went to bed. I wanted to wind down a little bit. I'd build up the fire in our fire pit, had an established fire pit there, cement with the metal swinging grill. And I had my my sleeping pad laid out by the fire, didn't have a camp chair, so I'm laying there with my, you know, head in my hand up on my elbow on my side, watching the fire, and I had my friend Steve's dog, Susha, a big old chocolate lab laying by me. I was kind of using her kind of like a pillow. Very cool dog. I want to add right now that this dog, whether it loved deer or hated deer, I'm not sure, but if a deer was anywhere around our camp, whenever we went camping, she was out of there chasing it, it was almost a problem because sometimes she'd be gone an hour or two. We always wondered if she was going to come back.
Starting point is 01:33:17 And she wouldn't bark or anything. She'd just be laying there one minute and the next second just take off like a rocket. We knew what she was after, right? So she's laying there by me. And my fire was dying down. so there wasn't much flame left, but there was plenty of smoke coming up off the fire. And that was one of the advantages of laying on that pad. If it blew my way, it kind of just went over the top of me and didn't get any of my eyes.
Starting point is 01:33:46 So anyway, I'm laying there. And sushi is at my head, like I said. And she lets out a little growl, kind of a low growl and goes on alert. So she's sitting up now. and kind of looking off up the hill from me. And I was checking her out to see where she was looking at, but she hasn't taken off. And I was wondering, oh, if it's a deer,
Starting point is 01:34:13 how come you're not chasing it already? And I hear a stick break, big stick break, and very close to camp. And it made a crack. I mean, it sounded like a big stick you would put over your knee or stomp on to break it. but it got my attention and now sushi's very worried and whining a little bit about it and so I have a pen light on my key chain in my pocket one of those little flashlights you screw flows to make the
Starting point is 01:34:48 light come on so I get that out and I turn on the light and the battery and it's real crappy but it's still making some kind of light and I kind of get up on my knees and I'm shining it through the smoke and up the hill above my camp there, see if I can see anything, kind of at ground level where you might see a deer, and something catches my eye, and what I see is I raise my flashlight up, and from behind the tree behind camp, maybe 10 feet behind the fire ring, I see one glowing eye. I don't know if it was red or yet. I think it, It must have been, I remember being a yellow glow, but big. This eye peering out from me behind the tree.
Starting point is 01:35:39 And, you know, my mind's going nuts right now. I can't figure out what it is. So I stand up and I wasn't really afraid yet. I had to figure out what this was. I wanted to figure out what this was. So for whatever reason, I stepped right across the fire, right across the grate through the smoke towards this thing so I can get a better view of it so the smoke isn't in my way and as soon as I get across it it goes behind the tree and comes out on the
Starting point is 01:36:13 other side now I see both eyes looking at me and it's big and I know what this is now I can see the outline it's facing me I can see the outline of its left side it's not all the way out from the tree, but I can see it plainly that I'm standing right in front of a big foot. And as soon as it's blinking at me too. And as soon as I see it in full view, it squats down like, you know, it's getting like the call of nature. It squats down and puts its hands out in front of me or out in front of it on the ground. And I've still got my light and my arm extended completely out in front of me. and I'm shining my light right on its eyeballs.
Starting point is 01:37:02 And I can see it, and it's massive. You know, I don't know how tall it was. I never measured it, but it was a good 9, 10 foot tall, soft, bigfoot, huge. It seemed like it was even bigger than the one I'd seen in 1979. And it's squatted down. It's completely broad. It's just massive.
Starting point is 01:37:25 And a couple seconds later, and I'm just frozen there with my flashlight. a couple seconds later, it starts moving away from me down the hill towards the beach. And sushi has taken off. She's nowhere to be seen. She didn't bark or she decided she didn't want any part of this thing. And it moves away from me. And while it's moving away, it's standing up and squatting, standing up and squatting,
Starting point is 01:37:51 going up and down, up and down. And it kept its eyes on me the whole time. And it got down the hill from me. 30 or 40 feet still looking at me and now all I can see is the eye shine and it got to a point where it was the the angle of the hill it was going to disappear and I got the creeps like I became now I'm ready to act and I went from my fire pit to my tent in about a half a second I just dove into my tent breathing heavily I was I was petrified at what I just seen Susha is nowhere to incite.
Starting point is 01:38:31 I jumped in my tent and grabbed my sleeping bag and put it over my head like a child, hiding from a monster in his bedroom. That was my protection, was that thin-walled tent, my sleeping bag. And I'm on my hands and knees with my bag over my head, and I don't know how long I stayed like that, just hoping that whatever happened that it didn't come back and kill me. I felt like when it moved away from me, it might be trying to come around behind me, which is why I acted and ran to my tent.
Starting point is 01:39:05 So strangely enough, after all of that, I fell asleep and woke up kind of panicky and sat up in my tent thinking, you know, was that what I saw? Was that a dream? You know, no. Poked my head out the tent and Susha had come back to camp and was walking around. in front of my tent a little bit. I called her into my tent and zipped it up and went back to sleep with her.
Starting point is 01:39:35 I got up real early. I didn't sleep much. Got up real early, got my fire going and some coffee. My friend Sean saw me doing that from the camp down by the beach and he came up the hill with his coffee cup to get some coffee from me. And I told him what had happened. And he was blown away. He started looking around on the tree.
Starting point is 01:39:58 Again, the forest floor was there was not conducive for leaving any tracks. So there weren't any tracks or anything. Later in the day, I followed an abandoned fire road or whatever that wound around the backside of the island to the top to see if I could find any more signs or tracks. I did not. On top of Piety Island, there's a slash pile of abandoned timber. quite a sizable pile that was never harvested but is still there, moss covered and weathered. And when I got up to the top and saw that, there were some real dark holes inside this pile of logs that made a very creepy feeling standing there looking like there was something in there looking back at me.
Starting point is 01:40:47 And I didn't stick around long and went back down to camp. By the time I got back down, there was another family that was camping with us with their with their kids that had come out in a ski boat. And my friend Sean had told him what I had seen. And this fellow shared with me that, well, he was at a Boy Scout camp pretty close to Fur Lake when he was a kid that their scout master had seen a bigfoot while he had gotten up in the night. And there was one in their camp at the scout camp and made everybody clear out the following day. he said it was a surreal experience because he not only did he had never heard one before but you know to actually have to leave the camp because of one so he took he packed up his kids and everything and
Starting point is 01:41:35 and took off that day on the on the third of july he didn't even stay for the fireworks he was like he felt like he was in danger if we had one right there on the island i stayed two more nights and i didn't worry about it on you know the third of july there was fireworks going off. It sounds like a war zone there. I didn't think about it that night and then stayed the night of my birthday on the fourth and went home the fifth. And it didn't really, didn't really bother me. I guess thinking back, you know, again, I was, I was 10 feet from it or closer when it was squatting down and I was standing there with my little light. You know, I could hear it breathing. And he could have reached out and snapped me like a twist.
Starting point is 01:42:23 and he didn't he just checked me out for a second maybe maybe five or ten seconds it was squatted down before it started moving down the hill but the way it moved down that hill was very strange how it stood all the way up and went down almost to the ground up and down three or four times before you know i high-tailed it and jumped into my tent so there you have it man i i can't imagine going through something like that that's it on an island i mean that's that's the crazy part because you you can't just really get away with it it's stuck with you on the island yeah so did it swim out there you know i've often i've thought about that too how did it get out there i've heard other accounts especially up in the san juan islands yep i was just thinking
Starting point is 01:43:21 about that. Yep. Yeah. About ten of groups of them being seen on the shores of some of those little islands up there. The only other explanation would be that it walked out there in the winter when they draw the reservoir down. There's a land bridge between the town of Detroit and the island that you can, you know, walk out all the way to the island on. Okay. But there's nothing on that island to sustain. There are deer on that island, so I can't say that it couldn't sustain itself there. But it's not that, you know, the island itself is half mile long, quarter mile wide.
Starting point is 01:43:57 It's not very big. And I don't know what it would be eating to be out there permanently. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Let's go, girls. So this is the little pink pill everyone's been talking about. Yep, that's Addy. Good things do come in small packages. And Addy is definitely a good thing.
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Starting point is 01:46:59 but I figured it was curious about all that activity out there and swam out there, which is a pretty good swim from either side of the lake. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense. And maybe if it's used, like, let's say it's used to that area and this is super, you know, speculation. But like, it knows that there's going to be a lot of people on that island around that time of year.
Starting point is 01:47:28 And it might be, well, there's going to be more food out here. So maybe I can go around and scrounge some stuff up. I don't know. So that was the second of July and they did the fireworks on the third. Right. So unless it swam back to the mainland, you know, it was out there for those fireworks, too. I can't imagine, you know, a creature like that being okay with mortars going off. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:47:54 Yeah, no. Yeah. So duct to pose. Yeah. So when you saw, and you were, were you able to see, well, yeah, you were able to see an outline because you could see the side of its body. Could you see an outline of its head at all? Oh, yeah. It was very big and black.
Starting point is 01:48:16 You know, this one was completely jet black. And my little pen light didn't really give this thing justice, but it was very dark-skinned. I can't really say I could tell the colors of his eyes because his eyes were glowing and or just as black as the creature. self. But I could definitely see how broad it was. It took my breath away to see how enormous this thing was. And when I first noticed it behind the tree, you know, I'm looking, my lights shining four or five feet off the ground looking for a deer. And I had to go, I bet it was nine,
Starting point is 01:49:01 ten feet tall. Wow. And the way the way it watered down as if it were just getting down on my level, you know, like here, let me give you a better look at me and put its arms out and its hands down on the ground. You know, I could have walked over and shook his hand, but I didn't, of course. And it scared me more later thinking about what could have happened than what did actually happen. Absolutely. I mean, it, yeah, you always think of stuff like that. It's a thing where, and man, this just came up in, I just talked to another individual, and it seems like it keeps coming up in interviews lately,
Starting point is 01:49:46 is that you have the encounter or the interaction, and then you immediately go to sleep. And why is that? Like, is it just, is everyone, you go through that adrenaline, or is there something related to, you know, having that encounter that, like, the person goes, boom, right to sleep. It's so weird. Yeah, I don't know if it's a defense mechanism or self-preservation or just for absolute relief that I survived the encounter. And now here I am in my tent. I'm safe. You know, I felt like that. It felt like it was moving away from me when I left the fire ring.
Starting point is 01:50:29 And now I'm in my tent. I can't explain it either. You'd think something like that. I mean, I watch a scary movie and I'm up half a lot. the night and think that that would do it too. So thinking about... I just want to add that it's frustrating being in my shoes and knowing what I saw was real both times. And the other things I described to you that could have been
Starting point is 01:50:55 possibly an interaction with Bigfoot, especially the rabbit that was left for Bob. You know, these things, it's frustrating to think that anyone wouldn't believe what I'm saying. you know i'm a christian god-fearing man i don't i'm not gaining anything by i wouldn't gain anything by lying about something like this and why would i and i i do believe that possibly the the the evidence exists as we speak of of the of the validity and the existence of
Starting point is 01:51:31 big foot i believe that someone has either ran one over shot one has right unmistakable video that it exists now, but the fear of ridicule and maybe just the fear of success. I don't know, but it seems logical to think that of all the sightings in all of the places that somebody somewhere has got some evidence they're not sharing. No, I agree 100%. And, you know, I don't know if it's just over being overly optimistic. but I do think that, yeah, they're, man, I, sometimes I think I'm like, man, is this the year? And then I'm like, how many, how many people in this, in this community have been thinking that since years and years. But, I mean, we just, you got to be optimistic.
Starting point is 01:52:26 I mean, there's stuff going on that I know a little bit about. And it's just there's some wacky, wacky stuff going on regarding. And I don't know if it'll come out to anything. But I mean, 2025 could be a really, really interesting year when it comes to Bigfoot. But, you know, I do like to ask people, you know, witnesses that do have that sighting. And you were able to see some definite details from what you were able to see of the creature, specifically like in the face. How would you categorize that? Would that be, was it more something that was ape-like?
Starting point is 01:53:05 or some form of human? I guess I'd have to say it was a mixture of both, but I will say that the characteristics, the behaviors that I experienced both times, both at Silver Creek and at Detroit Lake, the behavior was an indicative of a human. You know, the way that it, I believe it broke that stick on purpose
Starting point is 01:53:34 to get my attention on the island. and, you know, played peekaboo with me. Like, look up here, shine your light a little higher, Joey. And it's blinking at me, you know. And then the nonviolent interaction that I had with it so close to it. And then the rock throwing at Silver Creek balls, which could have been deliberate and damaging, but wasn't. You know, those aren't things that an animal would premeditate.
Starting point is 01:54:06 those are things more indicative of human behavior. Throw in the fact that it's so elusive. Throw in this fact right now. They exist. Then add they are so elusive, so secretive. Let's go, girls. So you've been taking one of these little pink pills daily? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:54:30 And you feel. Uh-huh. And more. More? Huh. I didn't think we could feel like that again at our age. Oh, get ready, girl. Ooh la la.
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Starting point is 01:57:20 I can't answer that. I just think that they're covered in hair and somewhere between them, a human and an ape and enormous, you know, potentially enormous. I know there's reports of, of course, juvenile ones. I feel like the juveniles aren't allowed. to wander as much as the adults. And that might be why the frequency of their sightings is less. You know, Detroit Lake is an area that is well known for sightings beside the one that you
Starting point is 01:57:57 have reported. And it's almost the gateway to an area which in the community, it's called the Oregon Bigfoot Highway, which is 24 goes up to, let's see it with I always, I got to memorize this. There's two Forest Roads, and it is Forest Road 46 down to 224, goes through Ripplebrook, it starts up in Estaceta, and it goes down to Detroit. The road that goes up out of east of Detroit that goes by Brighton Bush Lake, and then curls around past Horseshoe Lake, Monon Lake, and ends up there at the Lally, a real short story about that. I was 22 or three years old and took a backpack trip in the spring. Got let out, me and three friends, a couple miles this side of Straiton, Bush Lake,
Starting point is 01:58:52 and hiked in and stayed the night at Brighton Bush Lake, then on to O'Alley Lake and spent two nights there. There's still snow on the ground. And while we were at O'Lowley Lake, I got into an argument with one of the guys in my group, and he just pissed me off. I didn't want to be there anymore. We were supposed to be there two more nights. I decided the morning after the argument I was going to leave. So I packed up and left on my own and was going to hike all the way back down to the town of Detroit.
Starting point is 01:59:24 So I did that. And I got up over the hill from Horseshoe Lake. I'm on a forest road, but it's covered in snow. And you can see it on the map, the road I'm talking about. And just to be funny, I knew my friends would be along there. the next day or two. So I built a snowman, but the snowman was in the shape of a hand, blipping the bird. Okay. Okay, and it was pretty good size, right? And I figured this fellow I was arguing with is going to see that, and he's going to know Joey left this for me. And it was
Starting point is 02:00:04 beautiful, man. I had the thumb and everything. And I went down and I got to the end of the Forest Road, down there past Brighton Bush and there was a guy cut in timber or cutting firewood and he gave me a ride back into the town of Detroit and I called my girlfriend and she her and her mom came and picked me up my other buddies had to
Starting point is 02:00:25 hike out and hitchhike so I didn't care I was mad right so they said I said when they got back I asked the guy I was arguing with I said did you see the little present I left you and he said I did and I did
Starting point is 02:00:41 didn't. He said, did you make a snowman? I said, yeah, I told him what it was shaped like. He goes, oh, something crushed that. It was, there was barely any. So it could have been manmade, but, you know, human caused, but that's right in the area where you're talking about. Nobody was up there, bro. It's a relief to be able to share this all with you because, you know, I've talked about the encounters I've had in 79 and 95 quite a few times, but this other stuff is, is quite satisfying to be able to share it with you today, Jeremiah. I appreciate it. Absolutely. I'm glad that you're able to, you know, share that and work through some things. And I think listeners will be able to, you know, hopefully draw conclusions about things they've
Starting point is 02:01:29 experienced based on things you shared. And that's kind of how the show works. But I appreciate you coming on the show, Joey. And I'm glad we finally got to talk. And yeah, thank you. Thank you so much. If anything else, you know, you remember anything else, feel free to reach out. But it's been an enjoyable conversation. Absolutely. And same to you. I want to thank you for your dedication to everything Bigfoot.
Starting point is 02:01:55 And keep going, brother. We're going to, we'll figure it all out someday and we'll celebrate it together. Absolutely. Well, thanks for chat. And then you have a good one, Joey. You too, sir. Thank you. I just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you.
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Starting point is 02:02:34 Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at GML.com or pass on my email. Here's the list. The Suttall Lake area of Oregon,
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