Bigfoot Society - Surrounded by Screaming Sasquatch in the Alaska Rainforest! (Encounter Archives)

Episode Date: July 28, 2024

Episode released in Summer of 2023In this thrilling episode of Bigfoot Society, we open the ENCOUNTER ARCHIVES and venture into Alaska's wilderness with Joe Morris and Josh as they recount their spine-chilling Bigfoot encounters. Joe shares his eerie experiences from the remote Wrangell St. Elias National Park, including close calls with Sasquatch and a menacing glacier bear. Josh provides vivid memories of his childhood and hunting adventures in Alaska and Oregon, detailing a harrowing first encounter with a Sasquatch in Hatcher Pass and a tense face-off with a mysterious figure. Tune in for an electrifying conversation filled with real-life Bigfoot stories that push the boundaries of the known world, perfect for any Bigfoot enthusiast or lover of thrilling tales.Share your Bigfoot encounter with me here: [e-mail] to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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Head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society. And now let's get on with the show. All right, Big Society. You got the privilege of talking to Mr. Joe Morris from out there in the bush in Alaska tonight. How's it going, Joe? It's going well. Right now I'm in Rangel, St. Elias National Park. It's the biggest national park in the United States.

It's 14,000 square miles. That's over by the Yukon, right? Kind of. we're below the you can we're between well we're in the middle of nowhere that's why nobody knows us so McCarthy

Alaska is the little tiny town that's inside this park and if you want to Google it that's the only thing it's the only way you're going to find me gotcha gotcha so how far how remote are you right now

away from like is it your way out in the bush is what it sounds like yeah I am yes If you wanted to look at a map, I am 325 miles from Anchorage and I don't know how far from Valdives, but those are the two reference points.

So, yeah, I'm on the bush, way out of the bush. Doing anything fun out there? A lot of hiking, looking around doing photography. We got a lot of bears this year. Okay. So it's mating season and, you know, I don't really want to be around them right now. Yeah, probably not.

Watch it back. But it sounds like you've had some really interesting encounters in that park. And I'd love to talk to you about it. So tell me what kind of things you run across out there. Well, we have all kinds of bears and moose. And there's actually something that's more rare, I think, than a Sasquatch. And it's called a glacier bear. and I saw one.

So it crawled up on me. I was not being quiet at all, and I had a campfire, and it come up and looked at me. Scared the crap out of me. I didn't know what it was. Anyway, other than that, I've seen one Sasquatch

within 40 yards in the sunlight as clear as if you were standing there. What happened is, well, I can tell you. the whole story. When we start from the beginning? Absolutely, yeah. Okay, so I was working at a lodge

in McCarthy, Alaska. Not hard to find out which one it is. I prefer. I don't know what to say. I don't really want the attention to draw into the lodge. It has nothing to do with it. But I happen to be working there.

And it was late, probably August, maybe July, I can't remember. And a friend of mine, works here and he you know we were just burn out because it's a lot of work it's only open for a certain amount of time and you got to close it down open again next year so we were wiped and I said hey man I'm going up to the toe I don't want to walk I'm going to grab my truck you want to go he's like yeah so the toe is the end of the root glacier and the root glacier is spelled our

O-T and it's the glacier that happens to be about a mile and a half from where I'm sitting. So anyway, we run up there and you can hear it melting and once in a while you'll see calves and you know, it's cool to watch. It's pretty. And it's cooler because it's summertime and you got wind coming off the ice. So we were on the way out there going slow and I'm in this old beat up Toyota. and I you know both of us have done this trail a million times so we're going up this trail and I'm going really slow just in case there might be somebody or bears jump out or whatever

because we're out in bush and I'm cruising along and I come up just to a tiny rise not really a hill but as I do I see this black head and it's smoothly crossing in front of us well it was going to the way it was moving

it was smooth it was not like a bear walks a moose walks nothing walks that smooth and I immediately I got an ice cream headache and I said

it's a big foot and my buddy wasn't even paying attention he's like what stopped and I said look dude I think that's a big foot and it walked behind the hill you know the slight rise so all we could see was like I don't know most of its head has it floated by and it looked like it was floating so I get up there with the truck I'm like well we're going to find it so I come up over the rise and he's not there whatever it was wasn't there so I told me

um don't slam the car door So I pull up into the brush a little bit and stop. We open the truck doors and I'm always armed with a 10 millimeter sig. And he happened to have a AR-15, which isn't great for bear, but it makes a lot of noise. So I said, hey, if you go down about 60 yards and start going in the bush, once you go in, I'll go in and maybe you'll chase it to me, whatever it is. I thought it was a wounded bear. I did not you know

last thing on my mind was really a Zosquatch I'd never seen one don't really care about him and he did so when he walked in I started walking in

and I walked in just past the brush line kind of and I stopped in the shadows you know I've hunted my whole life Neil he kind of walked in and made all kinds of nice stomping in there and he stopped and I heard him kind of make this weird noise and he gasp and I looked

over at him automatically and I had already scanned the area looking but I heard him gasp and I looked over and before my eyes could get to his area I realized there was a person standing there about 40 feet away uh to me this thing looked about six foot five It was well built, had the V-shaped body like a, you know, like a linebacker or whatever. And it wasn't looking at me. It appeared that it was looking, well, it was not looking, it wasn't facing me. Its body basically was facing three-quarter away from me. So I was seeing the left shoulder ear back.

You could see the leg, but I couldn't see its face. And it was like almost doing it on purpose is what I got right in my way. Wouldn't look at me. Kind of glanced at me. And when it did, it's eye. I couldn't believe it. The eyeball had a little bit of yellow, like our white eye area would be. But this thing, you know, it's sunlight.

my glasses have I have these automatic darkening glasses and they've darkened down and I look at those things eyes and the pupils are enormous I mean

it's all pupil and I'm thinking how can this thing see in the sunlight you know even in owls eyes closed down quite a lot to regular in the sunlight that's not like they're totally blown out

like they do at night and that's that was shot And then the next thing that freaked me out, while I was completely in shock, kind of, and the next thing it freaked me out is the way it ran. This thing took off with no gaining of speed like, you know, a bear would or a human. This thing took off from zero to 60. It appeared to be 60 miles an hour instantly. And it went to about 75 yards.

jumped over some trees that were down and then took off again like 60 miles an hour. And that was it. That was the end of it. So I walked back to the truck and Neil comes back and he's all excited. He's like, hey, I saw a big foot. I saw a big foot. And I'm like, what did you see? And he says, I saw a human shaped arm except for it was too long.

And this thing was walking or running. And he saw the earth. arm swing. Well, that's not what I saw. I saw the whole thing, and a big step for its face. And I don't know what gender or whatever, you know, a female. So anyway, it didn't really last long. It was gone. So we stood by the truck, talked about it a little, and we actually drove out to the toe again, you know, kept going, hung out and come back, looked around, and went on the mirror. So that was that. That was 2017. And it didn't keep me out of the woods. There was no violent encounter or whatever.

You were scared to go back in the woods. It sounds like you're pretty comfortable with the woods. Oh, hell yeah. No, I go back in there. Yeah. I did then. It's not like I'm going to see another one. Wow.

You know, 55 years old. Or back then I think it was 50. Yeah, 50 is about right. I'd never seen it with my life. You know, a chance of seeing another one. zero. And then I saw another one five years later. Right.

And it was enormous. The first encounter that you had, did you notice anything? You saw the back of it sounded like, do you notice anything about the shape of the head at all? Anything around that part of the big foot? All I saw is when my son is six foot seven. So in my mind, this thing's a couple of inches shorter. Its shoulders are probably the same width, maybe a little bit more.

And it was very muscular. As far as its head, I'm prior military. And if you take people and you shave their heads like they're in the service or even really short hair, you can see the shape of their head. So this thing's hair wasn't that long on its head. I would say maybe two to three inches at the most. And its head was like a human. It was a human. You know, in my mind, this was a person's down there.

And I had a gun in my hand. So I stepped out and I saw the brown fur and I've been around Alaska a long time. So I immediately drew my pistol. And then I realized what I was looking at. And I thought in my mind, immediately this is a person. So I put my weapon away immediately and looked at it. I'm guessing the immediate reaction to pull your pistol would be because you see that color. You think it's bare, something like that.

Absolutely. Yeah. Yes. Everybody, I can't say everybody. In my opinion, the people that spend a lot of time out in the outdoors here in Alaska, they do it armed. Sure. You look at all the villagers when they leave their villages, they're armed. So it's natural to be armed here.

If you don't, you're going to be in bare bait. Absolutely. From things I've seen about Alaska, you do not, you don't get many chances to mess around for sure. You get maybe one chance in that sense. That's right. You make one mistake out here, especially when you're alone, like I go, and you're done. It's over. So you just got to be careful.

So anyway, that's, so I know, you want me to talk about the next one, the five-year-old. later thing. Real quick, before we get to that, that area you were in, were there ever any stories you heard of other sightings? Or was it a pretty unique thing for the area that you were in? Well, I didn't, you know, of course, just to start me on my big Sasquatch. Sure. Adventure of the internet, trying to find information. So, you know, beforehand, I didn't really care about them. I never heard about them. You know, I'd heard about this thing called the kushtika. But it wasn't a big foot.

It's the otter man. Exactly. So I'm inland, you know, right now. I'm about a mile, mile and a half from where I was. And I'm inland 120 miles from the Gulf or the coast. There's no kustika here, that's what I'm saying. Gotcha.

They're on the coast and stuff. Anyway. Yeah, let's continue. No is the answer. Yeah. So afterwards, yes, absolutely. I found out lots of things about this area. Five years later, then, you had another thing happen to you,

which is totally unexpected because you're only expecting maybe one in your lifetime. Yes, correct. Yeah, I mean, it's not realistic to think you're going to see another one. So anyway, yeah, I saw another one last year. And then the other one is I saw a disappearing stump in the same area. Interesting. A disappearing stump. Yes.

And I can explain that one. Yeah. So I've had back problems and their service related. So I've had treatments in my back. Unfortunately, it left me unable to walk for a while. So when I was able to walk, I walked out of the place. I walked all over the place like the doctor and the physical therapist set. So I'd walk from about where I am down to the tow road, walk in there, walk all over the place on uneven surfaces because that's what the doctor wanted me to do.

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When I was about, couldn't do it anymore, I'd walk back home back here. And I did that day after day after day after day. It's just physical therapy. I have to. If I want to walk, I have to do it. So I walk this trail over and over every day. And in Alaska, this time of year, it doesn't really get dark. It's more twilight.

So I lock this trail and I'm headed towards the toe. And I've looked at this same trail and everything in it a whole bunch of times. So everything's basically memorized. And as I walk up, and I'm a hunter, photographer, so I can tell you what's not really supposed to be in place. If I saw a place and something changed, I could pretty much tell you what it would. My brain will tell me there's something changed. Anyway, so I'm walking down this trail, and I'm looking to the right for no reason. And I see this big black stump.

Now, the toe of the glacier is where the glacier is receding, meaning nothing can grow there quick enough that would be a three-foot stump or more. That's impossible. Gotcha. Unless the thing's petrified. And I've walked this area a whole bunch, and I've never seen it. So I stop and I look at it when I light up a cigarette. I'm thinking, you know, I'm tired anyway because I'm hurting. and I look at this stump and I'm thinking, well, I'm going to go sit down.

What is this thing? It's weird. It shouldn't be here. And I walked towards it. And my feet get tangled in the brush. I look down, you know, get them untangled and keep going. And I look up and it's gone. Oh, boy.

And one thing I hadn't told you is while I was watching this stump before I walked towards it, it opens its eyes. so on the side of the stone its eyes opened really and I was shocked I'm like what is this so I thought whatever it was would get up and run away

that's why I would stand there slowly smoking this cigarette look at this thing and it was probably it wasn't far at all I don't know how many feet it was a ways you know I'm a bow hunter

it would be an easy shot so 25, 30 yards. So I'm like, well, and then it closed its eyes and it turned it into, you know, you couldn't tell it wasn't anything else. I'm like, well, I'm going to go find out what it is. So I got a gun on, no big deal. So I walked towards it, get stuck in the brush a little bit, look up, it's gone. No sound at all. Hadn't rained it a couple days.

And I'm like, well, if I walk in there, it sounds like I'm, you know, walking through a bunch brushed up peanut shells or something. So I'm like, well, this is weird. So I walk back in there anyway, and I look around for 15 to 20 minutes. I look up in the trees, I look at the ground, I'm fairly good at tracking, nothing's disturbed. And I'm thinking, wow, what in the world? So I walk back to the road and where the trail, I walk down to the toe, do my thing, and walk home. and as I walk home, I use the same trail.

And I keep, you know, I keep looking to my left, which is where that area was. And I see nothing. No big deal. So I go home and, you know, next day I get up and I have to go walking. So eventually I go walking. And this day, it's later. So it's probably 11 o'clock, something like that. and I go walking because I put it off.

It hurts. I don't want to do it, but I do it. So I go out there and the same trail. And I keep looking to the right because that's where I saw the disappearing stump. And I'm walking along looking for this stump looking thing. And I stop because something tells my brain while something's out of place. So I look and I'm studying the area And I heard it really died at that point

And I I'm scanning the area And I'm like well I'm not going to spend much time on it And I'm about to leave And I look over and behind this spruce tree That's about 12 feet high Is it's like Like a traditional big foot stand there

Except for this was jet black Jet black You couldn't see anything light coming off it. And it was still a little bit light. It's bluish light here. And it didn't move. It didn't.

I couldn't see its face. I didn't know if it was looking at me or looking the other way. I assumed it was looking at me. And it was enormous. It was 12 feet tall. Five, five and a half feet wide. And it's like my brain didn't register what it was until it did. and it was like

so I raised my right hand and I said hey big brother and I turned and I walked away and walked down the toe and did my thing wow and eventually I came back because it's really the only way to get home this way

so I come back and I'm freaked out and looking behind me and stuff but it didn't seem to bother it you know I got this feeling that it was watching the trail they didn't grow crap about me so anyway

I walk back that area and I'm really worried and I keep looking all over the place especially to my left and I see nothing. That was the end of it.

I find it really interesting the reaction you had when you saw it was you know to raise your hands say hey big brother what was it that you think that that made you do that reaction was it something you'd heard previously

or is it just it just came out of you No, because in 2017, you know, I went on the rabbit hole for information about what I'd seen. Because I didn't know what I'd seen. During that time, I'd learned that if you get in a, you know, fairly close to these things, and in my opinion, since I saw one the first time, and I've listened to the native tales and learnings, they say they're people. So somewhere I heard, hey, that's proper greeting. You should say, hello, big brother, and leave. Or you should say more to it.

But for me, that was all I could do. That's what I did. When you were doing research into this, the years prior, were you going directly to those that you may have known around you? or was this, you know, things online or? Both. Mostly online. I know Native's down in throughout the state,

but mostly down by the Copper River area at the basin. And the two people I know well there, it's a man or female. And the man is not from Alaska. And the lady is from Western Alaska. So her knowledge would be living. limited to Alaska, of course, but more specified in that area. I did talk to the gentleman, and he did not like talking about it.

In general, he doesn't care, and he'll tell me areas that he just cannot sleep overnight because we both camp a lot. He does more than I do know, but we'd always be on our rigs campers, you know, whatever. Always ought to tell him. And so he'd tell me the areas he couldn't sleep in, which I find weird because the guy can, you know, he's just not outdoors. I mean, park is where can sleep anywhere, kind of like I do. But there are basically three places down there that I cannot sleep in. I've tried, but you can't.

Are those areas you can mention, or they're just random areas out. in the bush. No, I can mention them. I don't really want to get specific because I don't want to mess with the people in the area. Oh, yeah, definitely not. Yeah. So, but, you know, one of them, I didn't see anything, but I've heard things. And then the other two, they're just creepy, dude.

I mean, I can go anywhere, sleep anywhere. It doesn't bother me. There are two places other than my favorite. favorite place that are just creepy. You know, it's a deep dark rainforest. There's absolutely no light because the foliage grows over. And if you usually have cloud cover. And if you get a moonless night, it's like being in a cave.

Wow. You mentioned you've heard some interesting things in certain areas. Have you ever heard like vocalizations, things like that? Oh, yes. What kind of things have you heard? I have heard quite a few. things. The strangest thing is I was down by this place called, I call it the Grayling Pound. And it's probably 18 miles from a little village. And back in the, off the main road there,

I don't know how many miles. It's a little log and trails you follow. And if you don't know them, you're going to get lost. Anyway, so I'm parked next to this Grayling Pond. And I got one of those solo rangers going. It's a fire pit. And I'm sitting on a lawn chair kind of thing, camp chair, on my feet up, on a table with a headlight on, and I'm reading a book. And it's nice out, kind of, kind of misty.

You know, it's a rainforest, so it's doable. And you be used to it. So I'm sitting there reading this book, and I hear these, you know, owls. They're not uncommon. and but first I hear ravens and I'm like, why are ravens out this time? So they shut up and I went back to reading

and then I heard owls and the owls didn't sound right and there was too many of them. And if you hear an owl, it's alone. It may have somebody else with it, you know, another owl, but it's in another area of hunting just like it is. They don't hunt together. So I'm like, well, that's strange.

it was like three of them. And I thought, well, that's weird. Maybe it's breeding season or something. So the hoots don't seem correct. And then one of the hoots, and I'm here sitting back reading the book, not really caring, paying attention. And this hoot turned into, like, the loudest scream from a, from a woman you will ever hear in your life ridiculously long.

And I put the book away and I looked around because I'm on in Illinois. Anything you walk up at evening, I don't have a fence or anything around me. And I'm like, what was that? So I sat there for a while and I said, well, I'm going to listen to this. And another one doesn't. And another one doesn't. And I'm like, wow. And they're not that far away.

They're like, to me, they were like on the back side, between me and the sound is a graling pond, an opener, you know, it's kind of an open area, it's tundra, and then it goes up onto the side of a mountain. And to me, they sounded like they were way back up the mountain, but they were really loud. Still, I thought, well, that's weird. And I was a little freaked out. So I sat there and, you know, nothing really happened. And then the ravens kicked off again. And then I heard coyotes. And I thought this is really weird.

There is no way this is going on this time of night. There's nothing out here to draw them to where I am. At the time, there was rivers through a river, small rivers I had to forward to get to where I was. And they were packed with Santa. That's a great time to go camping because nothing is going to mess with you. Big weeks in.

Anyway, eventually these things are screaming. They sound like coyotes. And then I turn into people yelling. And then there's multiple ones going off at one time. And then I hear this one, and it is so loud. It cannot be explained. It shook my entire body. It fired off with this.

crazy scream like a lady. It was really, really loud. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Hi, Diva. It's Rachel. And Jordan, yeah, hi. Quick question. Why are you not spending your Venmo balance? Yeah, we're concerned. You can, like, buy stuff with it.

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It's this piercing scream like a woman that's really in trouble. And then it turned into kind of a man being, you know, murdered. turned into like this animalistic screen and it was almost all at once it's really hard to explain so I'm out there in the woods and it's dark as you know if I shut my light off

I can't see anything and I'm like wow I think it's time to go I load my chair into the truck and you know do my little make sure everything's picked up

well the fire pits too not to do anything too I'm not worried about. It's right. It's not going to burn. You're not going to have a floor as far as then. So I get in the truck, and the way my SUVs made, I can look backwards with the doors open. And I have a chair back there where I can just chill out in and read.

So I was. I'm like, well, at least I'll be in here. So I shut the two doors and I had the window open. And I'm like, okay, I want this to do this. So they kept screaming. They kept repeating the same similar screams up on the mountain or between the mountain. And then there were like two huge ones that seemed to have flanked me on each side. And what they would do is when they would scream, it was mostly the one on my left side,

when this thing would scream, it was like in competition with the others. and it screamed so loud it was you wouldn't believe it I mean if you didn't if I hadn't heard it I'd think yeah dude you're sure it was loud no this is like

louder than an M16 report but it kept going and going and finally the one on the right started so I got these two gigantic things I can't see and they're hollering

like nothing I've ever heard. Just, it's insane. So I'm like, well, I think it's time to leave again. So I crawl over and I'm about to shut the hatch and just crawl in the front scene. I'm not going outside. And then the one on the left started laughing.

And it was this, I can't produce it, but it was this deep, truly laugh. And it started like, well, but then it turned into like this demonic laughing. And it was incredibly loud and very

deep. And then the one on the right did it. So I'm between these two things. And I'm thinking, I should be terrified. But I'm not. And I started laughing. Along with these two guys or whatever. And I said,

You know, there's something wrong here. I got to get out of here. So I listen a little longer, and I'd been there maybe 40, 40 minutes at the most, something like that, I don't know, since they started talking. Oh, they talk, too. And I shut the hatch, and I'm like,

I can't deal with us. I'm going somewhere else. I'm not super freaked out, so I crawl in the front, and I drive towards this glacier. That's hard to get to, and it's behind a kind of a, kind of ridge.

The same ridge I think they were yelling from, but it's kind of on the backside. So I parked there and I get out and, you know, I had to be. So I go out in wood, you know, there's no wood now. It's all open glacier scrub. So I can see. And I get out, look around my light, do my thing,

and listen. And I don't hear anything but the glacier ice moving behind me, which is absolutely normal. You know, it's about some of them are the size of a car, some of them size your fist. When the wind blows, they make noise, they bump into each other. So I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to sleep here tonight,

and I'll go deal with the fire pit in the morning. So I'm tired. So I crawl back in my SUV and go to bed, make sure the door's a lot. There's nobody out there. There's no human beings out. there. And sometime during the night

I wake up and I hear this sound of something bouncing out the top of my SUV off the rough. I'm thinking what. And I, you know, because it's a coast, coastal area, coastal Alaska, I'm thinking about seagulls

and you're dropping clams on me trying to break them open. And then I realize it's in the middle of night. They're going to be out. So I listen and I hear these, they're basically small pebbles. They're getting bounced off the top of my truck. And I'm not scared, and I actually didn't care. I heard that if you let them do their thing,

they get bored and late. But if you interact with them, you know, they like that. It doesn't matter if it's good or bad. They just want to be interacted with. So I left them, and I went to sleep, and everything was fine. in the morning and then in the morning I drove over

I picked up a far pit clean you don't and left wow you mentioned you heard them talking as well yes

can you describe what kind of of talking that you heard all right so I've been in the last for 12 years

and I've worked remote villages native villages and you pick and I can't think of the other one Anyway, they're real common here.

And UPEC language, where I used to hang out in work, that was common. So Uipik, it's hard, you know, it almost sounds Asian, but it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a thing. So these big things were sounding like they wanted to speak in Upick. They'd, they'd, they'd, they'd, but it was like, you know, I've never heard that. It's, it's a different cadence. It's super fast. and they sound really angry. That's the only way I can explain it.

And I only heard that from two guys, those two males, I believe they're males. You know, I didn't see anything. I couldn't. But the two that were closer to me, the big laughing things, right?

They were the ones that I heard speak. And I think they were talking to each other. Not long. I was right before I left, and I'm like, no. So anyway, I have heard speaking, people or whatever speaking in areas that

it's impossible. There's nobody there. And it's always this stupid sounding thing. Wow. Usually women and children, they laugh and they say their thing. It sounds like they're picking berries and they're really happy. But, you know,

I know there's nobody there. I can go walk over there. I'd already walk past this place. It's glacier. It's like a moon out here. in some places. You can't die. There's nothing there. So you walk past. You know, sit down.

I'm a photographer, so you're ready to start taking pictures. And I'm like, you hear you could. And you know there's nobody there. There's nobody out here. Would you ever go back to that area that you said it was Grayling Lake or? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I'll go back. I plan to go back here probably next month. And that's the, that's the Wrangell St. Elias National Park area is the same area as we were talking about. That's correct. Wow, that's incredible. So I'm in the Wrangell St. Elias National Park right now. And I'm indoors because it's raining. But, you know, tomorrow I'll be out the same exact place.

I saw these two Sasquatch. It's not far and I still have to walk. Why? And you're headed out there tomorrow. That's nuts. Wow. That's incredible job. I was out there yesterday.

Oh, you were? Wow. Well, it's just, yeah, I walk it all the time. And, you know, people say, well, they get this weird feeling. And I do a little bit when I'm out there, but it's completely not, I can't explain it. It's not threatening at all. It's just, I don't think they give a crap about me. I just happen to be in the area.

Just happen to be there, yeah. I always walk alone. I'm always alone out here. And it's not, it's by choice. Because if I have a dog, it's loud, I can't get my wild life photos. A lot of people are bored because you have to sit around quietly, you know, and homemade blind or whatever. Yeah.

What was your last question? Have you, no problem. Have you heard anything that would be similar to anything that sounds like a ape or a monkey or anything weird? Sometimes people say they hear stuff like hoots or Givens, things like that. Yeah, I have heard the hoot from a gigantic gibbon or whatever they call them, the things that scream, you know, little monkeys and make ridiculous sounds. It did sound kind of like that a couple times. You know, and I've heard the hooting.

They don't like do it over and over. It's like you'll hear it in the background. You know, it never meant anything to me. I don't care. It doesn't. I just don't care. You know, it doesn't register. It's not a threat.

It's nothing I mean. I can't take a picture of it. Right. Have you ever... I'm going to eat it. Have you ever considered taking an audio recorder out with you when you go to these areas? Funny you may ask. I just got one.

I love it. It's good time. I'll be out there next month. I'm actually going to camp out my favorite place. They happen to like the screen and we'll see what happens. I don't think they care about me. I'm in the area. To me, it's like they're having a potlatch.

You know what that is. Remind me. I think I know the gist of what you're saying, but I'd love to hear about it. So a potlatch or a powwow to maybe a lesser extent, the natives, it's basically a celebration. And it can be for different things. You know, Lord knows what they're celebrating.

but that's what it reminds me of. Fascinating. They definitely haven't fun. If you happen to get some interesting audio, definitely reach out. I would love to hear it and I can get you in touch with some guys that can really analyze it as well. Yeah, that's what I was looking for. You know, and the whole thing is I can get the great videos. I can take pictures of the footprints.

I can record the audio. That would be nothing. You know, it's just fun for me. It's, I don't care, you know. I'll play for a friend of mine and then, hey, you ever heard this in the woods. But, you know, my life doesn't, I don't care. You know what I mean? I totally, totally get it.

I'm looking over your email real quick. And you had mentioned in the email, I think it was the Chukukic National Forest. Yeah. Yeah, Chugack. Chugac. Is that, is that the, uh, that, is that's the area where you had mentioned before with like the, the screaming and the laughing, etc.? Correct.

Oh, very interesting. And I've seen some, uh, I've seen some giant footprints down there. Really? Huge. Oh, it's ridiculous. I left. Uh, and then I did see some other tracks down there that I actually, I was a fishing guide. And I, I, one of my clients freaking out.

I squished them all out. Oh, you would wipe away the, the track so you wouldn't freak out your clients. Yeah. Wow. It's a lot of money to fly out there and have fun. That's incredible. You want to fly out there and say, you know, I can go with that. You can't say, I don't know.

You're in the bush. They're with you. It's a one-on-one situation. and they're going to make sure, you're there to make sure they live through this. They can have fun and do whatever they want as long as it's legal. But, you know, it's me keeping the bears off them and showing them where to fish. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages.

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No? Okay. No. Uh-uh. Uh, when you get a chance, Google the Copper River. Okay. And if you go down by, there's a place I, this is where I saw the tracks near. It's called a night island.

and it's within the actual Copper River. Is that Night Island? That's a weird place, don't know. Yeah, Knight Island. And that'll bring you into the Copper River basin. Okay. What is so weird about that area? Oh, that's reports from the locals about something like a circular pool of light

and it shoots up in the air and it's gone. Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. You know, she can't make up. Yeah, I know. And then the footprints I saw were huge, and I'm like, I'm not going to look, and I just got my truck and left.

I saw a humongous bear out there. I don't, I assume it was natural. I've seen plenty of bears, hundreds and, right thousands of them. 16 up in a, you know, I've seen 16 in today. That's not a big deal. But this bear, if we were, if we were standing on a pavement, this thing walked past me, it would be I'm 5'10

it would be as tall as my back or its back my head would be or maybe I'd be a little shorter stuff you don't mess with for sure and I actually talk to a local law enforcement guy

you know a federal force and I told him when I saw it and he laughed and he's like yeah they get really big he's like usually people don't see him from that or so congratulations

you win right yeah you win the prize that's not what I'm looking for man right yeah I'm like is there a third species of bear out there that's what I asked him

he's like no they just get you know they keep growing if they have food oh anyway Joe incredible accounts thank you so much

for spending some time chatting about this this has been incredible oh you're welcome please if you yeah if I hear anything oh yes

also to you fantastic and yeah i definitely hope to hear from me in the future but uh thank you so much joe for chatting tonight all right bigfoot society thanks for coming back for another episode got the privilege of talking to a new friend josh today uh josh contacted me over the internet and he said he had some interesting stories to share about uh bigfoot from his time growing up in Alaska. So how's it going tonight, Josh? Oh, it's going great. Beautiful day. You know, can't complain about that. Oh, absolutely. It is, you know, we had some storms roll through here, but now the grass is growing. Everything's nice and lush, and we are loving it. So same out where you're at, or? Well, I mean, the weather's been nice. It's like,

it gets really, like, really hot and dry out here. in the summertime and the winter it's real like a mild rainy kind of easy winter so i can't complain about that but um yeah a little it's been it's a bit like because like how i grew up in alaska and like the experiences that i had previously like i'm slightly more aware of my surroundings and like i'd notice it's a little bit squatchy out here too. Like, a little off-putting, like to say the least. Especially like, because I still like to hunt. And I've been drawing, I drew a couple of great tags. And, you know, I had like, you know, on our way back from the beach out here in Oregon,

and the highway cuts across where my tag was supposed to be. And I'm like just keeping an eye out just to sort of size it up because, you know, I don't like to just, you know, willy-nilly all wander into the woods unless I know it's, it's okay, you know. And lo and behold, like just along the road, a big, uh, big hairy parallays I'm stepping out of the woods and stop at a little

like rock outcropping right at the edge of the highway so I'm passing by I'm like I got to change my tag and that that's what the for the most part it's been like out here

when you notice like the little the little things the subtle things that people might not like pay attention to because they got their lives and all that stuff but there there is a lot that goes on in like the woods surrounding like just about anywhere i've noticed um sometimes like animal noises and stuff you know you got your standard like deer and like

you know maybe a raccoon here and there but like sometimes there's stuff that's out of place and it sounds big and it doesn't it doesn't sound correct like it sounds out of place like it sounds out of place. And it's been like an actual struggle to like psycho camping or anything like that just because I'm aware of it all. Have you ever, do you experience that or have you ever experienced that? So Josh and long time listeners of the show could probably tell this story a little bit as well. But so I've experienced, I would say maybe more Class B type thing. in Iowa, you know, when we went out last year, Tate and myself, and, you know, I experienced a tree being pushed over in the woods in front of us, wood knocks capture that

night, and then my tent was unzipped at 3.45 a.m. on a Sunday night when we're out in the woods. That, that still messes with me today. I've not really gotten over that, and we are going back out there, and listeners can watch Sasquatcha Search for Saabe, Tate's documentary, the Iowa episode, you can find out more about that. So I've not yet heard a vocalization or actually seen a big foot, Josh, but I am getting closer, right? Yeah. If you ever like, if you say go on YouTube or something, look up what a caribou's grunt

sounds like. And it's like a certain kind of like, Hi, Diva. It's Rachel. And Jordan, yeah, hi. Quick question. Why are you not spending your Venmo balance? Yeah, we're concerned. You can, like, buy stuff with it. Oh, you love buying stuff.

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you've had on a show mentioned like a, like a grunty piggy sound. like a huff and then like a like a like a nasally like sort of like a deer we'll give a we'll give like a certain kind of grunt like carry was much heavier and like they got bigger lungs and so it's much much louder and my what I've noticed is like if if they're if they're if they're when I've been in a hunting in Alaska for caribu I thought that was a great sound at first,

but then I was like, you know, I'm sleeping on the side of the road. Not even up in the mountains yet. I'm about to like hit the trail in the morning. And I'm already got like a caribou next to my tent. I'm like looking at my rival. Okay, I guess I'm getting up. It's my lucky day.

And then all of a sudden I hear a, you know, a big like heavy like like like, like, I don't know, and then like and then like they're just it's gone by the time I'm on zipping it's like nothing was there I'm like a caribou would just hang around

and there was nothing you know and like this thing was like sniffing and grunting around the tent and I'm like is it a bear? Is it a caribou? I hope it's not a moose you know it's stuff like that where you can't see

directly what you're what you're dealing with and there's like a handful of things and in the back my mind i try not to think about it it's like they could be a squatch just like checking me out and like i just felt funny like when i actually dealt with that like it was a little terrifying you know because like you don't you don't know until you know and then you got to get out and face the music and just see what's going on and it's a little crazy. Yeah, I can understand. I can feel like if a zipper though,

a zipper, that's like way beyond like, you know, yeah, it's like, it's like your, your, your,

your safety bubble is like that thin, vinyl, like wall of the tent and like, like a zipper is like the one thing that animals can't really figure out, but then something's like, like, oh my gosh.

Not cool. I don't know if I did. Yeah. Josh, when you heard whatever it is you heard in that tent and you heard that huff noise outside, did you hear actual, like, do you think it was it something running away? Can you remember like what that sounded like? It sounded like it was like you could hear its footsteps. It was like a lot of roads are like gravel out in the back parts of Alaska. And so when something's stepping out there, it's going to make that crinkly noise.

But the crinkly noise it made was kind of soft. And that's what I've noticed. It was very soft. Like a curibu, it's going to be a hoof, and it's going to have like a really pronounced like steps on to it. It didn't have that. But it only had maybe I could hear it circling. and then when I started to unzip the tent

it gave the huff and then I could hear it like maybe like three or four steps and it was it was like moving away and so then I got out and it was already gone like into the brush

and that now looking back that stuff I was like that's way squatchy that's very squatchy and And that's just like, you know, the, like the not confirmed sighting, kind of just I heard something funny kind of thing. But then like the real stuff happened when I was a kid, like the worst of it. Did you get into that part yet?

So real quick, there's probably some people that are curious. Can you share anything about where that area was, where you had that? that 10 counter. Yeah, okay. If you go past Willow up into up the highway there, there's a

place called Montana Creek. And I know that the bears go there during the silver salmon run to get the salmon and up in the mountains there, the caribou will be coming through to feed and the berries are usually starting to ripen and but you can it is just north of um hatcher pass it's it's just like pretty much on a map you can see it's like

kitty corner to to close to where i grew up and had my my previous encounters but um if you just go on like google earth or something you can find it on um just type in Montana Creek and it should just take you there. Most of the stuff that I experienced was just around the Talkita Mountains there. But later on, I guess I'll just jump into that story with the tent. After I experienced that, I decided I'm not going to. I'm not sleeping anymore. So I packed up the tent and I decided to just push on and just get out of the area.

And so I packed up my little one-man tent and I just hopped it down the road. I had my uncle drop me off there because I thought that's where the trailhead was. Turns out it was like another five miles down the road. So I had like quite a hike just to the trail out just so I could get up the mountain. BigFa Society will be right back after these messages. Hi, Diva. It's Rachel. And Jordan, yeah, hi. Quick question. Why are you not spending your Venmo balance?

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Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to height and taste? Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a Rises. Picture the two of you sitting side by side, a Mai Tai in your hands, and the sounds of Hawaii around you. you. You almost forget you're on a plane. And that's the point, because when you fly with Hawaiian

airlines, it's hard to tell where your flight ends and vacation begins. Hawaii starts here. My main focus at that exact moment was like to get into the high ground because I knew the bears were feeding on fish and they're going to be in the low ground. And so I just decided after that, I was like, I was out of there because I didn't want to contend with. the bear. I just wanted to get my get my bag and go, you know. So I start hiking up up the mountain, gets the trailhead, Montana Creek, start heading up there. There's like a

like a four-wheeler trail that goes all the way up into the mountains. And it just hugs the canyon to the Montana Creek below. There's like waterfalls and all that stuff and big timber. and look. I hiked for all morning. Like I got up probably about four in the morning. Hiked to, got to the trail at about 5.30 in the morning.

And then I just started walking up. So right around 11 o'clock, 11.30 in the afternoon, I'm like, you know, really starting to huff it. And I'm getting into the berries. I'm like feeling better. about everything. And I'm starting to see big rocks and all this stuff and a less sign of bear. And it's just looking a little, a little better for me.

So I'm like taking breaks and working my way up. And right when I start to get to this bend in the trail where I can't quite see around the corner. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words. from our sponsors. I just hear of us like a ferocious like a roar, like a, and like, huff and a big like huff, and then like a boulder the size of a basketball went like just just over my shoulder. Like I almost got clobbered by this big rock, like a big granite boulder. And I could not see what did.

that like because like I've never had that happen to me or I like stopped saw the thing and I ran up just to peek up the corner and the thing had already like doosh doosh doosh doosh and I saw like the branches on the trees above the trail that are like rustling because it just like had just smacked through and it sounded huge and about as big as a grizzly would be so whatever it was. I'm looking back, I'm like, that was another experience. And that's like two, two in like a two in a morning. That's, that's crazy. And so it was big enough. I had a 30 out six rifle with me. It was big enough to where I was like looking down at it. I was like, this is a pea shooter. Like I don't, I don't need to be going up here. So I immediately did an about

face and just like walked back down the trail called up my uncle and like had him pick me up and all that stuff but if you're looking for a little excitement go to montana creek so there you go you go listeners and it sounds like you could be taking your life into your hands whenever you're doing alaska stuff you need to be well prepared even probably beyond prepared is my guess i've never been up there personally, but from what I've seen and heard, it is a extremely wild place and you really only get

a chance or maybe two chances when you're out there. Yeah. On my way up, my uncle said, I think he made the right decision. He said that there's been a, there's been

four or five hunters that have disappeared up there. And I'm like, after the fact, I'm like, oh, That made me feel so sick. I was like, all right, let's just get out of here. And it just sort of put things in perspective when it comes to hunting. Like, you really do have to like look at the little things like, is there a lot of,

do people pull a lot of animals out of there? Or do they pull very little? And why are they pulling very little? Is there something else eating the animals besides, besides just like wolves and bears because there can't be that many wolves and bears eating all the deer, especially if surrounding areas have like, say, 1,500 deer come out maybe five miles down the road in either direction. Yeah, this one only pulls out like 12. And then you see a pair of hairy legs and you know what's up.

You have to be going in there. And you just, you got to just be aware, more aware than the normal. camping is stressful. I thought it would relax me and stuff, but it's like it can be stressful and just in that way. Once you know what's actually out there and it's like just cruising around,

it takes on a whole other level. It becomes way more real. And I've become accustomed to just camping and really crowded family camp campsites now where like there's too many people that there'd be trouble you know okay interesting so you have you stick to the groups for safety yeah um it's it seems it works okay but even still you know you got that in the back of your mind all the time like thinking about like is it safe because like do these people like because i know none of them are looking

out for that sort of stuff. They're just playing, having a grand time, but they're making lots of noise. And I like when people are making lots of noise. That's the best thing. Have you heard of any other encounters happening in that Montana Creek area? Have you ever looked into that?

Just curious? I haven't heard of anything. The only thing I heard was what my uncle told me was that people have ended up missing up that very trail. So, but I do know that, like, farther south, I just, like, looked into, like, what's going on in the mountains. And, like, as I understand it, this is all secondhand.

I haven't, like, directly, like, asked any of the local natives, like, if this is a true thing. But apparently, the willow side of Hatcher Pass is, like, they stayed out of that area because it was designated for the wild people, the Sasquatch out there. And where I grew up was just south of that. And down in the, so just a little farther south, you got Hatcher Pass. It comes out to Willow and just over that mountain is like government peak. And then it like sloped down.

And then you were at the Matneuska Valley. You got Fish Hook Road, the Little Susintna Rivers coming out of the mountains. Hi, Diva. It's Rachel. And Jordan. Yeah, hi. Quick question. Why are you not spending your Venmo balance?

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but maybe everything happens for a Rees. Take noise cancelling headphones. Do they block hearing to height and taste? Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a reases. You got like a string of lakes. and like it it was like just about endless forest all the way up to the mountains and it since then

it's like they've a bunch of developers have come through and like just put in like a hundred houses in there but before that when I when I was there it was it was just like raw wilderness and it was like on the backside of a military reservation but like so nobody went went in there you know um the house i grew up in was like just um just across the street from this this wilderness and so there was a little creek in there and there was like a few lakes that they were all connected to and like it was like a blast you know you just look forward to just like going with your friends and just like cutting into the woods and like splash around and, you know,

wrestling and whatever, you know, boy stuff. But at times, like, one day, like the, my brother and I went out to the backside of the lake, and we had never actually been out there before, but it was like this little meadow that had grown in off of this little marsh, and we decided to do. just like slink in there and just check it out. And it was just me and my little brother.

We weren't very big. Like I think I was like maybe 10. He was like seven or eight. You know, just, you know, playing with stuff, picking things up and looking at things. I think he was tying his shoe, squats down. And I look over and in the tree line, this was like the very first, first time we saw us. something. There was like just a huge Sasquatch like in in the tree line sort of like his hands on like the highest branches and he's just watching us but he's like rocking from

side to side. And once he realizes we we saw him, he looked down in a way and he just sort of slinked and disappeared. He got real low, super low and like kind of like disappeared into the brush and my brother was like, we need to get out of here. And I was like, okay. And just the fact that like, I know people have mentioned that they have like a like a silvery shimmer to some of their fur. What I've noticed about them is like they have an undercoat of like denser fur. But then there's like these like a much lighter wispier, a longer, coat on top of that. So it's like a more like

two layers of fur. The upper layer is more like it picks up the light. And when you're like say if it's like at when the sun's starting to set and the dew starts coming in, it's harder to pick them up. They sort of blend in with like the mist a little more.

But like because the sun was still out, I was able to pick up the red in his fur, his under fur. And it just silhouetted him enough for us to pick it up and just notice him. And that was like the very first time. And so that we never went back to that area, at least for a few years. But that following winter, we hadn't mentioned it to anybody. that following winter we were we found this little closer to home we found a nice little like

gentle sloping hill and we wanted to go sledding so we went with our friends we're sledding down this hill we get that we get out there and we notice these these tracks these big tracks and like either it's a bear or a moose and my brother and I both knew it was it was like probably one of those things and I said I think it's big foot and the friends we were with we're not having that stuff. There's just some people that just don't, unless it's in a zoo, it doesn't exist. I know about time or any of that stuff.

And he's like, I don't believe you. I don't want to hear it. Blabity blah. I was like, okay, whatever. So we dropped it. But the trail led out from where that creek was diagonally towards the Anderson Lake, which is a lake we live next to.

There's like three lakes there. Anderson Lake, dry lake, and then they removed the name of it. I'm thinking because of like real estate reasons, but it was called mud lake. And then there was like a creek network connecting all the lakes. And in there it was like rainbow trout and landlock salmon and stuff like that. So plenty of food, you know, moves coming through there. It's like a very like, like in terms of like, stuff to do,

stuff to eat. It's got everything. It's bountiful. But we saw that the tracks went from our little hill coming out of the bush, diagonally across the street and towards the other side of the lake. And I thought it was odd. I was like, why would somebody be just walking through there?

He's like, they had snow shoes on. Let's just drop it. and you know stuff was like you just sort of go with it but like you know what it is right and um these guys have said hey our neighbors having a barbecue

you want to come and join us because we were going to go over there after we were sledding I was like okay it's almost time you want to take a shortcut so we took a shortcut through the woods and we get through the woods across one lake

up a trail across the other lake to the backside of this guy's little barbecue he had so there's already like 30 people there they're all gathered around this big bonfire in the backyard they're cooking hot dogs and hamburgers and all this stuff it's middle of winter

Alaskans got a party when they got a party I guess but so we we show up and they're like oh my gosh and like the owner of the house She's like, man, you kids are brave for coming out of there. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Hey, I just Venmoed you for rent.

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And I don't want to tell him. And then he started talking about how, like, the howls he heard at night. And I go, I was like, what kind of howls? It was like, I've seen things. You know what? I don't want to talk about it anymore. Let's not talk about this. And he's getting kind of frustrated because I kept probing him.

And we just sort of sat there eating hot dogs by this bonfire with this guy kind of just doing in his memories. And the mood sort of went from like laughter to a little like this weird awkward silence. But he just eaten quietly. And he said like, boys, I want you to promise me you'll never go back into those woods again. I was like, okay. And of course those kids are. We went right back into the woods like all the time. Then following summer, my brother and I were like,

like it was a hot day and like we just got done visiting family and like we were sort of over it. We wanted to go run around in the woods and mess around. And so we got to, we asked permission. They said we could go. And so we jump across the street and start heading down the hill to like the creek that's there and there's like a couple logs that push across it. And it's like it's got like a nice little deep hole where I'd love to, it was my favorite fishing spot. Like I would always catch something there. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. And so I'm leading the way.

My brother is like maybe 10 feet behind me. He's, he's on the hill top. I'm at the bottom of the hill, on the log. There's a, I think this tree had fallen and uprooted a different tree and had like lifted it up the root, sort of the root mass of it. And so it was like blocking the creek. And when I was like, I went onto the log, I saw this hairy leg step into the creek. And like, I'm like, uh-oh.

Is that a bear? And like my brother froze. I froze. And like, we just heard it like darting its arms around and just like quick like a cat, you know. And then all of a sudden, no, you just see it. him like lift up a, uh, a rainbow trout. And like he's just like, um, and he's just like,

smacking on this fish, like, just like, gong, like just making just, we'll just say, masticating on this fish. Like just, it sounded like loud, smacking, crunching, like chewing on a raw fish. And then he, like, we were sort of like, trying to just like our brains are trying to wrap our heads around like what we're looking at to make sure we're looking at what we're looking at if it's a bear or not or if it's another one of those things we saw you know and um it stops for a second and it peaks over in the creek

and i catch a flash of red eyes you know the just a little bit and then it backs in and then I think a fish bumped it and it grabbed the fish and it starts smacking on another one and then after it was done it stood up because it was down on a like squatting down in this creek and it had to been like it was a hole in a creek so it had been like four feet deep it it stood up and its head went way over the the root mass of this birch tree and it was like his hair was messy it wasn't bare shapes and it was like black skin like jet black black hair like straight but like kind of messy and um i could make out the because it had splashed water all over its face it was picking up some of the light and the the sun was starting to set a little bit so it was a little dark in the in that depression where the

creek was at. But I could make out, like when it was looking at us, we were looking at him. And my brother was looking at me, and I looked at him. And he was looking for, she was like, are we supposed to be running, you know? But I'm like, just mesmerized

by this thing. Like, just it puts out its hands and it moves the branch out of the way so it could get a better look at me. There's just like a little, like, birch branch. It's just like huge, long black thing. fingers with a care on top of the on top of the hand just like just like gently like moves the branch out of the way and I'm just getting a full glimpse of this guy's head and it and it's the the pupils were dilated so big it was like about the size of like a nickel like on each side so it was look it couldn't have been a person it had to be one of those things right and it's like the hair is just crazy and

and it's looking, I'm catching the light, and I'm catching, like, the finer details. The nose, like, had really flared nostrils. And I almost thought it was a bear for second because the nostrils were so flared. But they had, like, a bridge, a wide bridge on the nose and, like, the hairs on the cheek, which is, it was like a human face.

But just below, like, the cheekbone, the hairs came out to a point up to the nose and they were like a lot loser but more wiry straight and like with like a little bit of like you know a little bit of water dripping off of them just a little bit

but like it really like the moisture really picked up on the skin and they were able to really see the gontness of like the cheeks those really lean like cheeks that they didn't have any He didn't have any fat on him. He was, I guess he was hungry. But at that moment, I was like, okay, even if it's not a bear, we shouldn't be here. And my brother's like, we got to get out of here.

I was like, I looked at run. And so we start running up the hill and that thing starts running too. It runs in the opposite direction. So it's like splashing through the creek. It gets onto the grass. And then it gets super low. It's like doing a spider crawl and I could and like I get up to this top of the hill. It's only maybe like 30 yards, right?

So it's not very far off the road. I stopped to look and to see it like I want to make sure I can see it as it was like coming out where it went. If I'm ever going in these woods again, I wanted to see where that thing was going. And it and I got to see it like how it moved through. And it's like such such a long reach with the. with the arms and it was just using the trees and the saplings to sort of pull itself through the underbrush. It pulled its massive body underneath like this this nasty spruce tree, like a dried out spruce tree. I had tried to cross that thing once or twice and I like just get my shins all tore up and I just stay off of that thing.

That thing just busted through that just swimming just swimming through the brush. and then it gets to the opposite bank and up next to the road and it climbs out and it is like massive. It's tall, hairy, like the whole thing was like it was just like head to toe hair and not long hair, just really frizzy like short hair, maybe three inches for the most part. The longest part hair on the body was on the shoulders and on the top. of the hands a little bit up the forearm. The backside, like his, his glutes, his little buns, they were, like, massive, actually. And they were, like, covered in a consistent hair. And, like, he's just, like, one, two, like, bounds.

And he's up this embankment. And he's looking back at us. And he just gives those, aroof. It just gives, like, that grunt, that keepaway grunt. and he gives like about three of them and he's like already running with his huge arms like just long arms

and like what was incredible was like I could see how his shoulders because he was like slightly slouching his shoulders were really droopy really droopy but they're super broad and how he ran was like his body sort of narrowed

and it really like slimmed down his profile when he was running because the mechanic I don't know it's like his arms are swinging at an angle in front of him and his legs were like

like criss-crossing in front of itself and like he was like had to have in like like 50 yards within like six or seven steps

like it was just like he was he was like leap running essentially he's like douche doge doge and he just gives out this ferocious howl he's like and like he just cuts into the woods right where we saw those tracks previously and so I knew that that's that was a big foot

and that was like right where we were playing and like like there there was no mistake it. And like the whole time I'm looking at this, my brother's like yanking on me. We got to go. We got to go. And I'm like, let's like focused on it. And like, I snap out of it. We run inside. I, you know, I tell the family, they're like, there's a debate like, no, they're only down south. I heard. And like my dad's like, I've never seen anything or any of that. He actually worked up in the gold mines up in the Tulkita Mountains. And so he's been up in Hatcher Pass and all that stuff.

And so he's been up in and around the whole area for decades before we came to him with this little story. So he didn't believe us one bit. And it was just like he just said, well, whatever it is, it ran away. It's not going to come back. And so I trusted him enough to say, okay, it did run away. So that was going to be it. Like I wasn't going to see anything about it. So then I sort of put it in the back of my mind.

And eventually, you know, you sort of forget about it a little bit. You move on with your life. And that part was sort of left me with like, you know, you have the occasional nightmare here and there. But, you know, you always got to check, you know, like you always look over your shoulder. What year about did that happen? This was probably, I would say this was about. I was say 1990 or 1991. Okay.

Yeah. And you're about what age again? I am 43 now. I'm about to be 44. Gotcha. Yeah. I think a little while, like a few years later, I'm, you know, I worked at the courage to still go.

going to the woods and all that stuff. And like our friends, we all would go mess around in those woods. Even after all of that stuff, we're still bored, I guess. I would often take this trail that went between the two lakes, and it went diagonally towards a wolf lake. And that's an old military reservation that's sort of like, is like butted up against the

Talkeena Mountains and into right at the bit in the opening of Hatcher Pass and all that stuff. But what was, I would often go up there take my dog or whatever and go like grouse hunting with like a little 22.

I did it all the time. And sometimes like this time that I went I ended up leaving my dog behind because I just didn't want them barking. I just wanted them to get the jump on the birds and, you know, come home and everything. And like the dog got excited a lot and he didn't like guns. And it was just a, there was always a hassle.

So I left the dog. And as I, this trail like cuts straight through the woods for a good ways for a couple miles. And then it opens up to this clearing. where I think they were like had for whatever reason cut out a whole swaths of trees like for whatever reason they had

but like every time I pass this spot it was like I noticed that the mountain looked really close I was like wondering if I could walk up and like actually get to that mountain and like decided you know what today is the day I'm going to do it. And so, you know, I'm, I got my, like, I'm looking around, making sure the coast is clear for me to just go off trail because it was so clear.

And it was, you could see so far. And it just seemed like such an easy little hike to, like, poke around and explore. So I just, I just do it. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Hey, I just Venmoed you for rent. Nice. Now I can instantly spend it whether I'm checking out online with Venmo or using the video. Venmo debit card.

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Did you need 15 seconds away for music? Or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's. Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's. I get to two and a half, three miles in. I get really, I start to notice like the mountain's getting pretty close, but it's so really far away. And maybe I ought to just turn back.

I'd gotten to a lake and I was tired. And I was like, it's, this is good enough. This is neat. But I actually get back. And I turn around, I'm like right next to this cluster of trees. And I can, it thins out at the point and there's like another cluster of trees like a little farther out. And like, then this like huge like clearing like a huge field. And like I look over and I see what seems like a guy in a head a jacket just sort of walking.

like a lanky-looking guy just walking through the field. And I, in Alaska in general, like, if you're out in the bush at any point, like, there's a possibility you might run into a trapper. Because, like, they did, they do, like, work the creek systems. And, like, they'll go up along the mountains and, like, the back country. More Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. And, like, they'll set some lines every now and then. And so I assume that's what it was.

Just a trapper or some guy hiking around. So this guy, he's walking, like, he's really just like swinging his arms. Like he's really tired. He looks a little slouchy. And then, but I can't quite make it up because like the moisture off of the grass and the sunlight was creating sort of like a mirage effect. And so it was distorting what I was seeing. So I couldn't quite make out the silhouette until he got really close. And I realized it wasn't a guy.

It was another one of the, it was another Sasquatch. And it's walking right at me. And I'm like, it doesn't see me because I'm just, just out of line of sight behind this cluster of trees. I'm looking and it's like, if I try to go that way,

he's going to see me. And he might try to follow me home. and I didn't want that either. And so I just sort of hung back, and waited, and I just had to really think, and I looked around, make sure nobody else, one of the others were on me or something, or if I wasn't getting surrounded in any way.

And it looked like it was just a lone one, just walking through. And I didn't want to, like, be too aggressive or anything like that. I just realized, like, I just have to be really calm and cool. It's like, you know, you run into it like a bear you go bear rules you just be real calm have a real like stern voice and just look big and that's all they could do because all I had on me was like a little 22 rifle it was a little one was a patchy i think it was a remington apache but i only have like

three or four rounds left from like missing shots and so i didn't i had no way to defend myself really It was really flapping in the wind. And I'm just like, sort of make a decision. You just hang back a second and just see where this thing goes and I might not have to deal with it. And I decided, like, what my dad taught me was like when we were attracting caribou, you can go up to the herd. And if you just like slowly squat down, it won't like see you right away and they'll think you're part of the terrain. And so I did that. and because

they're not a prey animal he saw me he saw me do this move and then he immediately stops looks and he just starts like makes a straight bee line straight for me

and he's running and like this he's covering ground like crazy like I like it looked like a football player like just rushing me and then all of a sudden it's

it gives like abound and abound and then it leaps. It did like a long jump essentially, but like farther than like your like a normal long jump. It was like it must have been like twice the distance. But like it jumps, it lands and immediately goes into like a spider crawl position. And it is like puffing its cheeks and just breathe in and like looking around.

And like like what's going on? I like, look. Like, like, I, it was clear that I was not supposed to be there. And it was, it was trying to, like, size me up and try to figure out what to do with me because I wasn't, I wasn't moving. I stood back up. I'll let him see me. And it was just like he was looking at me. And he looked at the trees behind me. And then he's looking at me. Like, it looks at the trees behind me. I look over and I see, as soon as I break eye contact with him, he looks at me again. And he starts. with his long arms he starts to pull himself through he starts moving I was like no don't do it don't do it and he looks again and he like slinks in there

you can hear him just like crashing and I can see his arms grabbing like branches as he's like pulling and like sort of like swinging through and then like just crashing through the woods and I was like all right I'm going

I'm going and I start walking I don't I don't run, but I'm like walking briskly to the to the other cluster of woods. And as soon as I get to the next cluster woods, I start running. And so as soon as I get out the clearing of this cluster of woods, he's already running up to the next cluster of woods in front of me. he's already ready to intercept me. Like he'd beat me to like the next field over. And it was just, I was thinking he was just still like messing around, about to come out of the bush or out of those trees behind me.

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He yanked the tree. He yanked the tree cleaned down. He just broke the branch right off. He's like rocking and he's just like trying to just keep his, I guess, keep his composure. But he's like rocking and he's like getting real huffy. and I'm just like walking again. I'm like looking at him, making eye contact. He's looking at me and then he looks over again

and I see what he's going to do. And like there's a choke point where there's a cluster trees on the left and the one he was at was on the right. And there was like this thin point where they come together is about 15 feet separation between the two and I had to go through that. And so I start walking as fast, briskly

as fast as I can and he darts into the woods and they can hear him just like crashing through at about midway he pops his head up and it's um and then he pops it back down and i i get through past the the choke point and i can hear him crashing behind me and i'm looking over my shoulder at him to see what's about to happen and like he gets within like 10 feet of me and he just stops it goes dead silent, just dead silent. And I'm like thinking I'm about to die or get ripped apart or whatever. And like he was on me and he just stopped. And I just kept walking and walking and there was another big cluster. And all of a sudden I hear him, they come out and he's running to the next cluster of trees. But this one's much bigger. And I get in there and it's like a longer stretch.

and there's like a little like clearing inside that cluster trees and he's right there right in the middle of it and there's like trees like snapped over and bent and like something he's been thrashing around in there and that's that was his little spot and I'm walking through essentially his living room and he's like hanging on there and like

he's like just chomping his teeth and like I can't see the his top teeth, but his bottom teeth were sticking out a little bit. And he's just like looking at me and I'm trying to maintain eye contact with him and just be as assertive as possible. And it broke eye contact with me and it looked down and it's still like puffing itself up. But it's not making like, it's like retreating its eye contact with me. And like looking back, I'm like, I shouldn't have been doing that.

I shouldn't have been like making like direct eye contact like that. But it happened to work. in that situation. But most primates, it's like a challenge. And usually that means you're behind, you know. But as I pass through, he's just sort of like rocking back and forth. And I pass through and there's a clearing, just a feel that I can see the trail. And I get to the trail.

And I'm like about to hyperventilate and I'm like, but I have to like run. it's time to run and like I'm breathing I got my hands on my knees and I can I'm looking down I'm seeing like scattered bone piles of like like moose that have been like killed like previous summers like there was a lot of bones and I'm just standing on top of this killed is multiple kill piles and I'm like I really have to get out of there so I ran the hardest I ever ran in my life down that trail and got through and like like never mentioned it to anybody and like I don't know it's just um I think I compartmentalize the whole situation because I remember going there but I didn't but it was

always like broken up memories and I never really made the connection of what what had happened I like I think I blacked it out and uh I only remembered it until like um like last month when my wife was talking to me and were driving the car and there was like the background of the light and like something about the situation

just like created a snowball effect where I started remembering stuff and then like all of a sudden I'm like really like piecing things together and it just like all just like hit me

and like I experienced this part and like I didn't have any recollection up until just then of this part that happened because I remembered walking through the woods and like all this stuff but like the the most intense part was like the close-up. When I was in that clearing where he was like making eye contact with me, he couldn't have been more than like 20 feet away and like the light was like dappled and you know you could see like his his whole like

fur pattern was crazy he had like a blonde patch on the front side of his around like the brim of his face the skin on his face was was those splatchy and like freckley kind of

the hair was like a like a rich red the head came up to a point you know the classic Sasquatch look but like a lot of what i've seen in like a lot of the drawings this guy didn't have it was more like lanky uh just so muscular but like the elongated muscles you know like like a like a like a like a like a long tube like you could see the muscles were there but it was not like big bulgy

muscles they were just strong long muscles and like his reach was crazy um that guy i i believe he was probably like about nine or ten feet tall uh but the that was that was um that was probably the most intense moment i mean of my life but um it uh it had left me with like i'd always often have like these these nightmares of like bigfoot coming to get me and i understand why i until it was like I had like started piecing things together and it really is shocking like how much my brain had like compartmentalized everything about it. And yeah, I don't know. It's just with a lot of this stuff, it always kept a leveling of anxiety, you know, every time you go camping, anytime you go out. There's always, like, they might be out there.

They might be just right next to you, you know. And it's unsettling because it's, if they wanted to, they, like, you couldn't, there's nothing you could do to, like, really stop them. And, but, like, the, the personality, it's like there was a difference in personality, I would say, between the two. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Hi, Diva. It's Rachel. And Jordan, yeah, hi. Quick question.

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Take noise cancelling headphones. Do they block hearing to height and taste? Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a Rises. Like, yeah, the black, the black skin one, the black furred one was very, like, very aloof, very shy but this

the red one with the blonde patches he also had patches on his chest but like the patchwork on that one was crazy but like the personality is more

more aggressive we'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors way more aggressive maybe I just surprised him and that's why he was aggressive, but like it just, he was very much showing himself to me. And like,

it, it seemed like two, two, like, polar opposites in terms of like personality. Josh, thank you for, I mean,

that, that is probably the most intense encounter. I've, I've heard. I would say across the board, I mean, first off, thank you for being vulnerable enough to share that.

Yeah. That is extremely, extremely intense. And no one would ever blame you for not going into the woods or camping by yourself ever. Like, that's hands down the best reason not to. I mean, I totally understand how you're camping in groups now. And it sounds like you're working through it, which is great. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I do have to like remember that like as much.

just like there's like an anxiety about like not wanting to do things. I have to do things for my daughter in order for her to like really grow up and like be like like like a happy, healthy person, you know, and like and sometimes just got to invite the big one and just like sort of deal with it and not sort of put that that terror or that fear in her but just like a healthy respect is what I'm trying to get for her but like it's it's real hard to like just like keep it together when you're like you know it's like you're just you're exposed you know absolutely when you're going through that that whole situation with the the creature chasing you thinking back to that time period if you had to say

would you say you were getting more human-like characteristics or ape-like characteristics or was it something completely different than the two? I would say I've seen like people exhibit those behaviors

but like in terms of like a connection like we were both like I would say it's more on the human side. Like, it's just like the intelligence level was there. Like the spark was there. And like the way I look at it, it's like we have all these modern conveniences.

We can do a lot of things because we have machines to help us do it. And with them, it's like none of that. So you can run faster. You can leap farther. You can move quicker. You can grab things quicker. you can get low and you can crawl and you can climb and you can do all the things you need to survive

and get up on like whatever you're trying to get. But to do that in like a sub-arctic environment where the winters are so harsh, like no clothes on. But like it's crazy. But like if you look at the fur and all that stuff, it's just they've adapted to just being outside. But the feet and like the hands, everything is very human. But the proportions are like, like much taller.

If I were, I was like looking through like all the hominid species and like the like, I would say like if I were to guess, I would say it's somewhere between like homo habilis and homo erectus. but with like the height of like a crow magnum so like you're like 10 12 feet tall but like still very like the face was like the

the bone structure and all that stuff and like like it did have like like eight features but it was more human than ape it's like just a little human it's like just our side of on the evolutionary tree It's just, but just massive, like tall, massive and incredibly powerful. But the spark of intelligence, the fact that he intercepted me, he knew what I was doing.

And we're caught up in this cat and mouse game of like just observing each other and trying to maintain distance and all that stuff and we're engaging each other. You can't get that with like a bear or anything like that or care, but they're they'll run or they'll charge you. But this was a totally different. Like he could charge me, but he didn't because he wanted to observe me. And we were both at this weird like standoff. And it was that, but just just knowing that like there, he was consciously letting me slide. you know like he he could have he could have reached out and just snatched me up in a second like it it but he didn't and so i i think that that's that makes me feel better like in some ways that

there's like a certain level of consciousness to where like they're not just killing machines like they're intelligent thinking creatures like it feels more like it more like a person than an animal is just like a superhuman I guess wow I mean that that encounter alone I think you'd be set for you know the rest of your life I mean hopefully I mean I hope that's the worst thing that you've ever gone through that was that had to been extremely rough well I went out to out here in Oregon the um like after I did a little you know you do do your research you start looking at things and start pacing things together and you start to realize like how much signs you were overlooking and then once you once you start like once the veil is

like like removed and you're really looking and see what things for what they are I was out in Sun River just the previous weekend and I left my phone in the truck and it was pitch black out there. There's not a lot of light out there. It's like way out in the country. It's just south of Bend.

Kind of high desert, real dry. And I figured I was like pretty sad because it seems like they like to like hang out in wet places and the creeks and whatnot. But it just something about it, like that pitch black, what I did was I just gave a little like whistle just to see if anything would react

and I could hear it. Like something started moving right towards me at an angle from like 100 yards out like in the woods stopping right before the road and then like like three or four steps was like about 30 feet like just something huge was like got to me and then it was like starting to circle around me and I said I'm not about to be like

go fumbling for my phone and with a pitch black behind me with a monster in the darkness I was like all right I'll get my phone tomorrow and I shut the blinds because closed every single curtain in that cabin and like just like said nobody's going outside like buy something out there and like you know you don't you can't you can't really just like break down and explain all this stuff to somebody that's just never experienced it right and so but like after that like during that whole week um you know like at one point we were coming home from dinner and my daughter and my wife are like adding and talking about whatever and like in the distance I can I can hear something over by the river just going like just given like a gentle like

like who sound and it wasn't like a bird it was like a primate right and but it was like a couple miles down the road, but you could hear it. And like, I'm, it's like, you don't, I don't want to like just sort of spoil the fun to say, hey, daddy, here's some noises in the distance. Like, everybody's having a good time.

I'm not about to spoil the party. But like, I went and checked out the, I like to frequent the Bigfoot sightings like blotter map. I have one on my it's an arcg-gis.com.

Oh, yeah, it's Bigfoot sightings and density of the U.S. with biomes. Let's see. I'll send you the link. But I checked the down here in Oregon. I checked the cabin. And like, I'm not maybe like about a mile, mile and a half, two miles away. there was two like reported sightings just just south of the cabin so it wasn't just like something in my head I was just hearing things like stepping around and maybe it's just me being paranoid

because I saw so much but it was like close enough and in like there was like two sightings and they both are in line and like with the cabin so like I was clearly in the past of whatever it would be coming through. And like, so it confirmed to me, like, it had to be that. Like, if I'm hearing the hoots and I can hear it step and it's got massive, you know how you can, like, with cadence, you can, like, you don't have to see it, but you can hear it and you can tell that it's, like, it's big. And sort of, like, I'm able to, like, not seeing it, I'm tracking it through the darkness, right?

But it like it confirmed to me like yeah, that I was right. Hi, Diva. It's Rachel. And Jordan, yeah, hi. Quick question. Why are you not spending your Venmo balance? Yeah, we're concerned. You can like buy stuff with it. Oh, you love buying stuff. And earn cashback on eligible purchases.

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They're out there. It's okay. And like, you know, nothing happened. but um you know it's it just you realize like with all the i've been watching i've been listening to to your show for for a bit and it's like there's just so many sightings and they're all over the place and and i i see these shows where they they they're going deep deep into the mountains and like getting reaction shots and like trying to like hunt down this thing and And I don't think they need to go that far.

Like a lot of people that find them are just like in their local park. Like I'm just off the trail. You know, or like some do. Some are way up in the mountains. But it's like it's wherever there's water and wherever there's food, they're probably there. It's, you know, it's like it's out of your control. Right.

So you can't do anything. about it, but like, you know, live your life. And so I've just been sort of like trying to use that to like comfort myself really. I've been trying to think in my mind of how to categorize you, Josh, because it's, it's very interesting because it's almost like, so I would say it's like you're a hunter, but you've had your eyes opened and you're very aware of what really is out in the I don't know. Would you agree with that?

You have to be, you kind of have to be a hunter. So I was like sort of like, so like, like you can't just like go out and looking for, for Bigfoot because you're overlooking the signs. Like you,

you got to know how to track. You got to like judge the wind. You got to know where you're standing, like what's around you. And just that alone, like you should be able to like, if you hear something outside the tent you should be able to identify

what it sounds like, what it is and where it's at. And if you should be asleep or if you should be like pulling the safety off and like wait for the big show, you know? But it's yeah, I would say that

that's definitely like a good way to categorize it. The whole thing is, It's just like, when I look, because I grew up caribou hunting, we'd be glassing up on hills out in the tundra. And like, if I'm out hunting with other people, say, from the Lord 48, I'm looking at deer that are like five miles away up on a hill top and I'm able to see them move around. And it's like, there's a deer. And they're like, what are you talking about? And they have to pull out the glasses and see it. And then it's like, yeah, he's right.

cow. And like when you're hunting for moose, they like to hide in thick cuts of like spruce, like black spruce. And like they blend in really well. And so you have to like, when you're driving down the road, you have to look for

tracks along the road, but you also have to look into the woods. And you're sort of like studying as you as you cruise by, you got to look for anything that looks out of place. and like you're studying as you go. And then like after a while, like you, you do it instinctically. You don't like when I was a kid, it was real hard.

It was really taxing on the brain to do all that stuff. But after a while, it becomes second nature. And then you're just seeing things. And now I'm at this point. Yeah, where like because I've been raised to hunt, I'm able to notice more. And a lot of things are overlooked that are like, just right under your nose. Like, you probably had 10 encounters and you didn't even know it, you know?

But, yeah. It's fascinating to think about it. I don't think you're too far off. I mean, yeah, it's how many things are happening when we're out in the woods. We're just not looking at the signs the right way. Totally agree. Oh, one trick I've learned that really helps is if you go camping, just, um, like if don't don't start a fire just put your back against a tree and just sit there and just

at night and just let let everything sort of happen and you're just quietly sitting there letting nature walk by all the little creatures coming through like is it a field mouse or is it a dump truck you know uh your brain switches on and you you notice a whole lot more after you do that and uh let's say the next time you do Google camping, just do that. Just like sit in the darkness and like let your night vision sort of take over and just sort of listen to the sounds. And don't talk, just listen, listen and see, smell. And your brain switches on you. And like after that you can smell more, you can see more, you're just more aware.

I think if you're in a city a lot, there's so much. simulation going on, your brain just goes numb to everything. And so you got to stop and un like shut down and just like sort of be present in what's happening right now. That's fascinating to think about. I think I will be definitely taking, taking that advice. Josh, this has been a very interesting chat. And thank you for being, you know, again, vulnerable enough to share what's happened to you

over the years. It is incredible encounters, man. Yeah, it's like, it's still, you know, I'm still like piecing more together, but like, you know, at some point you just have to like move on and just like let it happen, you know? Um, like these things happened and it's okay.

And if a lot of people, they're, they're skeptics. They're always going to be skeptics. They're just those people. You just like, don't even spin your wheels. Like, don't worry. waste your time on them. If they're, if they're here, they're listening, they've seen it, there's enough people. Eventually the skeptics will, we'll change their tune once some, some satisfying evidence is presented, but like there's just too, too much going on for people

not to like say, okay, there's something going on, you know? Absolutely. If anything does, I mean, if you're fortunate to have additional things, happen to you in the future, please by all means, reach out. I would love to chat with you again, but it's been a really fun and enlightening time talking to tonight, Josh. Oh, yeah. I'm just glad you, you know, gave me the opportunity because like, it's not something you can just like spout off, you know. But yeah, thank you. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also,

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