Bigfoot Society - Surrounded on all sides with NO WAY OUT. (Archive Episode)

Episode Date: June 2, 2024

Here's a great episode from the Archives.Note:This was recorded on Monday, 8/21/23. The events of this interview occurred just days before, on the prior Thursday.Jeremiah sits down with Red, an outdoor enthusiast who encountered something truly terrifying during a recent camping trip in Iowa. Red recounts the harrowing tale, complete with mysterious vocalizations, tree knocks, and the unnerving realization of being surrounded by multiple Bigfoot. Throughout the conversation, they delve into the psychological and emotional aftermath of the event, discussing the disbelief, fear, and adrenaline that came with it. Red shares his theory on the strategic communication and tactics employed by these Sasquatch, making for one of the most compelling accounts ever shared on the Bigfoot Society podcast. Jeremiah and Red also consider the broader implications for outdoor safety and the importance of sharing these experiences. Tune in for an episode filled with spine-chilling details and thought-provoking discussions.Share your Bigfoot encounter with me here: [e-mail]🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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approached me about it I was like oh this is really interesting so yeah I'd love to hear what what happened to you guys yeah and I you know I got I got a apologize too I'm not a I'm not so nervous to, you know, to speak to you in, you know, this general sense of, you know, possibly being on the podcast or whatever it may be, but just, you know, this happened on the 17th, so just Thursday. So I think, I don't know, I might have to take a couple of beat breaths every once in a while just because it happened so recently. So I'll just apologize now for that. so yeah yeah um my friend and i who this happened to um we we get out all the time uh mostly in iowa but sometimes in some surrounding states um and we go arrowhead hunting and you know we look for agates and geodes and things like that and i go fishing

quite a bit. And every month of the year, even in Iowa, you know, when it's 10 degrees out or zero degrees out, I'm usually outside, even, you know, whether I'm ice fishing or, you know, sometimes you got to break through the ice for the geodes, but we're always out there. And so I've, I've had some interesting experiences. And I've heard and seen tons of different types of wildlife. I've also traveled all around the United States. I've seen, you know, pretty much any kind of megafauna you can see. I've heard them. So last Thursday, my friend and I had planned to go to Central Iowa, where we knew there was a certain deposit, a lithic shelf of a certain shirt material that occurs

and it occurs there and then it also occurs in northeast Missouri so we were going to camp in that general area Thursday night and then we were going to go down to northeast Missouri

on Friday and we were kind of arrowhead hunting along the Des Moines River as we were making our way to central Iowa we were going to stay to south and I actually

had never been over there I've been to a lot of places in Iowa and very rural Iowa as well but I'd never been over by but so because we were stopping at so many different places along the Des Moines River on our way there we didn't actually pull until probably 820, 8.30

so it was twilight when we came in and there's no electricity run through it so it's just black at night and it's just dark and as we were driving through we actually came in there are a few entrances you can go into we came in on the south side and we made our way

kind of just due north through this certain tract and I know there are several campgrounds you can stay in but we stayed in one that was you know I sent you the map of it but we stayed in one that's kind of like at the north central

position so we When we pulled in, you know, it's twilight and there's a little bit of light left, but that light in the sky when you're in a forest is there's not much. You know, you've got 70-foot trees that are just black surrounding you. And in this area in Iowa, it almost looks like the driftless area. A lot of really rolling, beautiful rolling hills and deep ravines. And when there is woods, when there is forest, it's thick for Iowa, at least. A lot of forest and woods in Iowa really are just kind of remnant forest along rivers where farmers never tilled.

They have a lot of really deep ravines and kind of gulches almost. Some pretty nice little hills. So when we first rolled in, we found the campground that we liked. We hadn't planned it out to where we wanted to stay in that exact campground. We kind of knew we'd play it by air, and we didn't figure there would be many people, if any, since it was a Thursday night. It was kind of hot, and it was so remote. But so as we drove through the forest, we didn't happen to see any other vehicles or any other campers. And in this specific campsite, there was no one else staying.

so I left my vehicle running for the first 10 minutes that we got there to fill out the kind of camping information the little tag you fill out for your site and then to set up we had two tents my friend packed just a one-person pop-up tent and I foolishly brought a six-person tent I have a four-person tent as well but my wife was using that at the state fair she went and she stayed with her parents there um

so we set up the tents we get the fire going and it's you know it's probably 10 or 15 minutes of us doing that I shut the car off and the lights off and it's pretty well dark by now there's not much of twilight at all

left it's to my recollection too there was no moon that night and I at least I never happened to see one um so after we get the fire going, we both took our flashlights, which

again, I usually camp with a MAG flashlight that has just an unbelievable amount of lumens power to it. I sent that with my wife, though, so I just had my phone flashlight. We were going around this campsite, which is probably

it's a cleared area that's probably 200 yards long, 150 yards long, by 70 or 80 yards wide. And the width certainly varies throughout the campsite. We were staying in the southeast corner. So we made our way around with our phone flashlights, and we're just grabbing twigs and branches that had fallen. And we were checking the other fire ring. to see if anyone had left any logs when they put their fire out.

And actually, most of the fire rings still had grass growing at them. So I don't think people camp at this. Maybe they don't even camp, maybe there's a reason, you know. But they may just not camp at this particular site very much. So when we were setting up the tent and getting the fire going, I heard a pack of coyotes maybe a half mile out, maybe a quarter mile away from us to the northwest. And I don't know that this really plays into the story, but I'll mention it. We heard them for maybe 10 minutes and they kind of quieted down.

They may have moved off to where I can hear them or they may have just stopped making their noise. but I was at the northwest corner of this entire campsite looking in the fire rings and then looking for falling trees and branches and probably a quarter mile off I heard four consecutive sounds that I just couldn't place they were really loud but they were pretty far off and I could tell it came from something big but I just you know I kind of went through the Rolodex

of animal noises that I know as I heard it and I couldn't place it so I met back with my friend at our camping site and I said hey you know did you hear that and he said yeah I said was that an elk bugling or something you know we don't have elk in Iowa anymore I think they were hunted out by either the late 1800s or the early 1900s

I've certainly seen elk on farms in the state. But I didn't happen to notice any elk farms near us. And this wasn't really an elk bugling. It wasn't that noise. I was just trying to maybe even get an answer knowing my friend wouldn't have the answer

but he kind of laughing off and said, I don't know what that was, man, but I don't think it was no. And we weren't that concerned about it. I didn't think about it. So, you know, we find it kind of finished grabbing our wood around decide and we then sat by the fire and got it going a little bit but i only brought probably enough

fire for uh to keep it going until about three or four in the morning and i wanted to kind of be conservative with it too because i knew it was going to drop down in 50s that night and uh if you've ever camped you know when it gets down to the 40s and 50s it can be miserable you know even if you're dressed in layers and everything so i uh i like to keep to fire going when it gets that cool So we had kind of a small fire going, but we were sitting around it. He was to my left, my friend. And I started cooking a bratwurst over the fire. The way our site is set up, the specific one we were camping at,

it's probably, I mean, it's pretty close to the wood line on the southeast corner. and I think we were, you know, maybe 10 or 15 yards away from the tree line. And it's been at this point, probably 15, 20 minutes since we heard the coyotes kind of quiet down and then those initial four loud noises that we couldn't place. It's just pitch black at this point. The stars are kind of starting to come out, but again, there's, you know, that night when, The stars are coming out. You can really only see, you know, a pretty select portion of the sky just because all of the horizon is drowned out by the trees.

So as I'm cooking this Bratworth, and, you know, I'm talking with my friend, we hear a sound 150 yards behind us diagonally to basically the northwest corner of the entire campsite. and it sounded like it came from, you know, an amplifier or a bullhorn or an air horn. It was so unbelievably loud. And if, I'm sure, if anyone does hear this, and even if no one does, and it's just you who hears this, I know there's no way you haven't heard it. So I'll just say, and the Sierra sounds, the very beginning, and, you know, a little bit throughout the recording. You know, there are the sort of howls or the whoops that sound off in the recording.

And it's so distinctive. It's such a distinct noise. That's what we heard. And immediately following that from that same location, as soon as the whoop died down, there was that garbled. I mean, that mumbling chatter, same thing, you know, that you can hear in the Sierra sounds. And even though I've listened to the Sierra sounds countless times because it's so unbelievably interesting and mind-boggling to me. And going into this experience, you know, I fully believed in Sasquatch because not only does it make sense,

even though to a degree it's it's hard to wrap your head around but I've also had experiences which you know I've reached out to you about recently but I I didn't connect it to that at all you know not in the least as soon as I heard that every hair on my body stood up just electrically it was just so unbelievably loud. I've heard elk bugle before. I've heard

cows, you know, when the calves are separated from their mothers and you hear them kind of crying out all night. Or I've heard cows injured too in the

unbelievable volume of their moo is that's, you know, unbelievably loud in itself. This, just put that to shame. So even having heard

the Sierra sounds so many times, in my life. I still didn't, I didn't know what this was in the first moment or two. You know, I did the human thing again of sort of going through the Rolodex in my head of, you know, what, what was that? What biological creature, animal being makes that sound? And I came up with nothing. And I turned to my friend, and, you know, still knowing I wouldn't get a

an answer, but just, you know, it's also such a human thing to say, you know, what was that or give me an answer? I turned to him and I just said, you know, what was that? You know, what made that noise? And his face was so, I've known

this guy for years and I've spent such an amazing amount of time with this guy. He's a super close friend of mine. I've just never seen him this serious or he had such a grave look on his face. And it was he knew right away. He said that had to be Bigfoot. And my first reaction, even as a believer, life with CIDP can be tough. But the Thrive team, a specialized squad of experts, helps people living with

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to something I'd actually heard before. And I mean, my heart just sank as that sort of set into my head. Just the immediate acceptance almost was terrifying because we're in the middle of nowhere. It's just so remote. It's in the middle of nowhere in Iowa. Because even if you leave, there's nothing but agricultural fields around it.

You know, other rolling hills, rivers, agricultural fields. So we were so remote. It's just pitch black. We're surrounded by woods. You know, I hear this thing that I am realizing is Bigfoot. And even if it's not, this is unbelievably loud noise unbelievably loud

so some of this just happened so quickly after this then so you know I turn to my friend I ask what was that he says it's Bigfoot it sets into me that this is what this is and then within seconds to our right and probably

50 or 60 feet in front of us into the tree line I hear tree knocks and I've never heard that before. I've told you I've had experiences before. I've gone into pretty detail as to what those experiences were with you, but I've never heard tree knocks before. I've never heard vocalizations like this in person.

And the treinox came in sequences of two. There were three sequences of two, so it was knock, knock, knock, knock. And it wasn't like I imagined a tree knock would be. I've heard people describe it where it sounds like, you know, someone's taken a Louisville slugger and just slamming it against a tree. And going back to the Sierra sounds, you hear that sort of ricocheting ping as these tree knocks are occurring in the recordings. This wasn't like that.

This was pretty loud, but it was almost like a muffled or a muted knock. I've also heard not just woodpeckers throughout my life, but different species of woodpeckers too. And there's such an unbelievable difference between, you know, any kind of a woodpecker. There's this sort of hollow resonance that sounds from their bill as they'd drill into a tree and it's they can do slow these sort of bats or drills into trees as they're you know going around and pecking into the tree but I've never heard one

keep a measured time in this way and I've also never heard one that sounded like this and I've also never heard a woodpecker at night I don't I'm not claiming that they don't make sounds at night but I've also never heard of woodpecker I've just never heard one. So as soon as we hear that tree knock, off to our, kind of diagonally to our right, you know, I turn to my friend again, I say,

okay, we got to get out of here. Like right now, you know, we can either pack up or I don't care at this point. We can leave all of her stuff. We got to get out of here. Because I know what's happening now. You know, there's a call and a response. So we have two of them.

And I maybe generally know where they are, but I can't see them. I don't know what they want. I don't know what they're doing. But we also didn't go into this experience looking for this at all. You know, I listen to Bigfoot podcasts all the time. I read accounts online all the time. I read historical accounts. that seemed to be related to big foot or Sasquatch all the time.

I don't want to experience them anymore. The idea of running into something like this in the woods or even in a controlled setting just doesn't, I don't want that at all. I know some people want that to learn more or just people who haven't experienced it. And I totally get that. I totally understand that. That's not why we went out to these woods. I don't know that they would be out there. I wasn't looking for them.

So as my friend and I are having this sort of frantic, I don't know, just trying to come to terms, this conversation of, you know, what do we do? Because even though in my head I knew, hey, we need to leave, it was the strangest saying that we stayed and I didn't really understand why when I thought about it and when I talked about it. I've told my wife this story probably four times now. You know, maybe the third or fourth time I told her she said, it sounds like you guys

were experiencing the sort of sensation of being prey you know if you imagine a rabbit they just sit still for so long until the last second and then maybe they bolt or you know maybe that's their last second maybe they don't ever move and they get

taken by whatever is praying upon them I don't know we state I can't really explain We stayed in our chairs too during, you know, hearing this. I don't know, I just couldn't move almost. I could. I could move my body around, but I just couldn't bring myself a stand-up. So we shined our phone flashlights into the tree line in front of us and behind us as well.

And, you know, I didn't see anything. My friend didn't see anything. As we're shining our lights around us, trying to see anything. anything. Diagonally to our left, we hear something moving in the woods. And there's a sort of a subtle ravine that gets pretty,

to be honest, I never went and looked at it before any of this happened while there was still some twilight. Sorry, I'm sitting outside on a gravel road and every once in a while there might be a car that passes. I never went and looked at this ravine, but I could kind of see when there was still a bit of light left when we first arrived that it seemed to go down in a pretty drastic sense,

down to a pretty deep gulch diagonal to our left, maybe 100, 200 feet off. That seemed to be where this movement was coming from that we started to hear. And it didn't last long, but you could hear something moving through the woods on two feet at a very slow cadence

and it was breaking things as it moved. I don't know if it was breaking branches on trees. I don't know if it was breaking things that had already fallen to the forest floor. I've heard deer move through the woods. Usually you don't really hear

and move through the woods, but if they are in a sort of lackadaisical mindset, you can hear them brushing against things. They don't really break things as they move through the woods. This thing just sounded massive, and it just every step that it took, you could hear things

just cracking, breaking around it. So this just adds to the intensity of all this and the fear, the you know, I've had I've had some pretty wild close calls in my life. I used to be pretty careless and reckless and pretty wild as a younger dude.

And I've had some pretty close to near-death experiences. And if I'm being honest, they're probably just near-death experiences. Things that happen so fast that you don't really realize until a moment after, 10 moments after, that was pretty close. The adrenaline spike I had immediately during this was just through the roof. So we're sitting around the fire. We now are aware that there's at least possibly three things surrounding us. And they seem to be communicating and they may even be getting closer.

We're in a very hushed sense having this conversation of just constantly. It's only saying, what do we do? You know, we need to leave. But again, we don't leave. I just can't explain it. And I knew from just the start of it that we needed to leave. It's just one of those, I don't know if it was shock or what, but it must have been another 10 or 15 minutes of us just sitting,

looking back and forth in the dark, around the fire every once in a while, shining our flashlights in front of us in the woods behind us, and we just don't see anything. Within that 10 or 15-minute window of us, you know, sitting and, I don't know, waiting to see what happened next. We heard a little bit of movement in the woods, diagonally to our right, where we heard the tree knocks,

and diagonally to the left where we heard this thing moving up, you know, through this ravine. not much and the movements weren't anything dramatic we didn't hear anything crashing quickly through the woods nothing vocalizing

nothing like that but every time we heard something it was it was just like a life or death fear you know the spiked the adrenaline all over again or maybe even higher than before um so

after this I'll say a 15 minute window of the initial noise happening behind us 150 yards or so at the northwest corner of this site. I should say also, as we're sitting around the fire, I'm on the right. My friend is on my left. Again, we have the woods 10 or 15 yards in front of us. And my vehicle is parked probably 20 feet behind me and my tent is set up kind of diagonally

to the left behind me if I could see around my tent into the clearing and my friend had basically like a perfectly clear view of it it's dark you know but with the flash that we could see a little bit of the clearing so 10 or 15 minutes goes by

and we then here you know it wasn't another whoop but we heard such a loud vocalization that was so fast and so loud that I almost I kind of can't wrap my head around what it was I guess I should say I can't explain

how this noise sounded but this is now 50 feet behind us to the left you know diagonally back to the left. And there's this really big tree that, as I've told the story, I said it looked like a cottonwood, but I never saw it in the daylight, and I didn't take the time to try to really see what it was

as all this was happening, but it was this big tree kind of back to our left behind us. And that seemed to be in the moment where this noise came from. So there's this unbelievably loud vocalization. And then it's followed by a sequence of three, other vocalizations that all happened was in such a fast succession that I can't imagine there was even a moment for this thing to take a breath, which tells me the lung capacity on whatever's doing this must be just unbelievable, which then goes to more of that garbled,

what people call samurai chatter. And this was kind of on the higher end. It wasn't that low, really bassy like really guttural chatter. This was really it was so fast and there were just so many accents

and it just bah, blah, and I say high-pitched even though it was high-pitched for what I've heard in the samurai chatter

for a human being this was high-pitched. But as soon as this probably two and a half second sort of chatter vocalization happens. It then immediately goes into this

just like this just nightmareish yowl. It sounded like what a mountain lion does. That really mad territorial I'll sound like an idiot doing it, but just sounds it's that really low, pissed off, like, get out of here, that territorial, just mean, mean vocalization that they do.

But this was, I mean, a mountain lion doesn't have anything on this vocalization. This would have had to be the size of a rhinoceros making, you know, if a mountain lion was 900 pounds or something. Life with CIDP can be tough. But the Thrive team, a specialized squad of experts, helps people living with CIS. RIDEP make more room in their lives for joy. Watch Rare Well Done. In all new reality series, Rare Well Done offers help and hope to people across the country who live with the rare disease CIDP. Watch the latest episode now exclusively on Rare Well Done.com.

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but it was those four different things happening back to back. But so when we initially heard that loud yell or whatever it was, we both jumped out of our seats because and it was one of those things where I don't know that I've I've jumped a million times out of fear in my life but I don't know that I've ever truly junk you know my body might have you know arched before I may have been scared up from something

but I jumped out of my seat truly and as the the following you know the sort of successions of vocalizations came after of that. It's all within seconds of me turning around into the dark.

And my friend who's to my left and this, my tent is not impeding upon his view of this thing or whatever it may be, you know, it's what I'm trying to say is I think

this thing was using infersound because the way my friend has described this to me as we've talked it out that entire night and the entire next day. The way he describes it is even louder than I'm telling you now. And I'm sitting you're saying it sounded like the biggest mountain lion, you know, eight times the size of a mountain lion. He thought it was even louder than that. And as we're turning around in the dark,

he almost like half said the word. mountain lion. He didn't even say a full sentence. It was almost like he just said Mountain Lion. And then he said, she's coming right for us. And when he said that, I'm looking ahead in the dark where this noise is coming from. I'm sort of turning toward it. I can't see whatever it is. Even with the sort of backlighting of the fire, I'm just looking into this this empty space basically. When he said that, I,

it felt like every one of my innards, you know, my heart down to my intestines, just dropped into my pelvis. It was the most sinking feeling I've ever felt in my life. And as I, as I told my wife the stories, you know, one of the times I told her, I realize what that was

and I just broke down crying when I was telling her it was a subconscious acceptance of you're going to die in this moment and before my brain could accept it, my body accepted it. Hearing that vocalization and me assuming what this was and then hearing my friend saying she's coming right for us that combination was just the perfect combination of something in my body saying, okay, you're going to die.

And, you know, a second later, as she's, by the way, as I'm saying she, this is something in experiences usually, sometimes people see, you know, genitalia, they'll see a male and they'll say, oh, that was a male, or they'll see she emails. I'll say that was she male. I did get a look at this thing eventually, but it wasn't a good enough look where I can give an amazing description of what I saw by any means. When I'm saying female, it's totally just a sensation. It could have been a male, I don't know,

but my friend who immediately said she's coming right for us, so he immediately felt that it was a female too. So I'll just say that it was a female, but I don't know. We both sort of got our phones at the same time and turn the flashlights on. And as we did this, the vocalization stops and we see nothing.

There's nothing in front of us. You know, we look over at the tree. We're scanning all around with our lights. There's nothing. And it's so mind-boggling. My adrenaline is like non-existent. I know. It's so through the roof. I feel like there's just a mountain of adrenaline above me even.

I'm just so unbelievably freaked out. And I turn in my friend, I say, we got to get out here. You know, leave your tent. I don't care about it. I'm leaving my tent. Maybe I'll come back in the morning. I don't care if I ever see it again. We're also now hearing behind us, these two things that we are supposing are in the woods that were in front of us, you know, doing the wood knocks and walking through the ravine.

We're hearing them move through the woods now. And again, it's not this dramatic crashing through the woods. It's this sure step as though these things are just, I don't know if they've been through it a million times and it's like a it was like a trained thing it was like a navy seal tactic you know they just were moving in the dark with sure steps letting us know for coming in closer they weren't they weren't hiding it because this thing that vocalized behind us 50 feet behind us she snuck all the way either around the tree line or she cut right through the open campsite for 120 30 yards. and we didn't hear her at all. Not at all. The only reason we knew she was there is because she screamed at us.

So we're constantly turning around and the 360 now with our lights trying to see if she's there, trying to see if these two are in the woods. And then I should say two, I really think that there were four because I think the initial vocalization that we heard

it just sounded so male and it just sounded so different from the vocalization we heard that was 50 feet behind us again I can't scientifically say hey I know that there were four these creatures there it's it's

you know with so many of these experiences it's you have to just sort of go off of your senses and that's hard too because when you have so much adrenaline and it's dark and you're in this fight or flight mindset, your senses are almost unreliable.

So as we're spinning around with our flashlights, trying to see these things, not seeing anything, my friend starts breaking his tent down. And I'm yelling at him at this point. You know, I'm like, dude, man, leave your tent. You know, who cares about that? We have to leave now. These things are trying to get us out of here.

I'm leaving all my stuff. and my friend is just so bullheaded though that he was saying no man I'm not leaving this 10 you know I paid whatever X amount of money for I'm taking it and he folds his 10 up and uh and he starts doing it to mine too and I just said you know we got to leave this you know and and it's it's one of those things again where I didn't just get in my car and say get in we're leaving I don't know it was like I was letting circumstance just play out and I was just kind of in the passenger seat which is terrible in these kind of situations you know you as an adult and as a man with

testosterone and you know someone who's experienced wild things and you think that in the moment you'll act and you'll say oh I'm I know what I would do you know and I'm I'm going to do it right now I think we should get out of here I'm getting out of here but that just was completely out the window. So as he's breaking my tent down, which again is a six-person, massive, stupid, clunky tent, and the poles always get stuck at the top in the little sleeves that have for the poles. I'm shining my light still on that tree where I assume this focalization came from.

My friend who is breaking the tent down keeps shining his light up. He's shining it at the tent and he'll shine it up. He's shining it down at the tent and he'll shine it up at the tree line. And all around us too. At some point he shines off kind of back toward behind my car. Well, I'm shining my light at that big tree where I think this vocalization has come from. And that's when I saw her.

My friend did not see her. I saw her. She was there the whole time and we didn't. didn't see her because she was so unbelievably black. I'm talking about blacker than a shadow, blacker than anything else. I just thought it was part of the night. I thought it was,

I thought it was a tree stump. Honestly, I've heard people say that in podcasts so many times, you know, when they're going through their experience. You know, I thought the same tree stump. And I believe that when I heard it,

but I just, my mind couldn't wrap around. And how can someone think this big, bulky, hairy thing, even if it's squatted down, could be a tree stump. But it just, your mind can't in the moment calculate or even accept that something that big is an organic biological thing. So the only reason I saw her is because she moved. she was on all fours and on all fours she was three and a half or four feet tall

which is just that's that unbelievable thing to think about that something that's not a quadruped something that's not this big moose or rhinoceros as I said earlier something like that something that generally moves around on two feet

could be down on all fours and be four feet tall. So as I'm shining my flashlight at her, she threw her hands forward from a sort of squatting position with all fours. She threw her hands forward and lunged into the tree line. When she did this, I yelped basically. I probably sounded like a 12-year-old. This just yelp of fear. escaped me.

I grabbed my friend's shirt and I said, did you see it? Did you see that? And he said, no, where, where? And I think that he thought that it was again coming at us. So he got freaked out again, you know, even more so. I said she just bolted into the tree line. And that's when

I sort of just turned into a mode where I said, I don't care we're getting out of here, you know? And I took my pocket knife and I just cut the sort of the cordage between the tent poles because we couldn't get the tent pulls through the top of the tent. So I just cut it and I pulled it and I just tore the top of my tent and even looking back, I don't care at all. I just don't care. But I have to say when when this thing moved, it was faster than anything I've ever seen. And again, when I hear that in experiences, my mind always goes to speed.

But I now know when people are talking about these things moving faster than anyone could imagine, they're not just talking about speed, they're talking about agility. This massive, massive thing, as she lunged forward, she moved faster than any Olympic athlete I've ever seen do any attempt at any sport,

faster than any kind of wildcat pouncing or running after its prey more agile than anything I've ever seen in my life it was like a flash and the unbelievable thing about it was not just the speed but I did not hear her land I didn't hear her land in the woods at all bolted with her hands forward

and if that happens if an object moves forward, it stops moving. You know, she had to land, but I didn't hear a leaf, nothing. And these things are still moving behind us in the woods. So that was finally just seeing her and seeing her do that. That was finally when, you know, the thing clicked over in my head and it just said,

okay, here's your answer, time to leave. And I, you know, I cut the cordage on. the tent pulls. We pulled them through, just through everything in the back of my vehicle. And, uh, I mean, I sped out of there so fast that I almost went into the ditch twice, just leaving. And as that happened, you know, again, the adrenaline just, just skyrocketed and thinking, if you go into the ditch here, you're done. You know, you're not walking out of here. And I don't have a vehicle with four-wheel drive, so I'm not, I'm not getting out of there. so I keep it on the road and you know we get it out of there and that's the experience in a sense

but what a lot of people don't get to talk about I don't think is the immediate after you know the moments the minutes and the hours after the experience we're we're two and a half hours away from my house in central Iowa immediately I drove up and just to be in some sort of town. But it's like 10.08, I think. I called my wife immediately. I was leaving and barely explained it. And I just said, hey, I just had this terrible experience. And I said, please don't laugh at me. Like, please don't laugh at me. Because she knows how, how close I am to the subject. You know, and I even told her about some of the experiences that I've had. I shouldn't say experiences, though I've had so many, you know, but I had, you know, pretty.

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And, you know, the whole town is asleep by 10. There's hardly any lights on at all in the town. You know, the street lights are also just kind of pitiful there. It's just so dark that I kind of think, you know, as we're driving through the town, I think no wonder these things, you know, kind of goes here. just no, there's nothing going on, you know. So then my friend and I drive around for a while and we were just saying, what do we do? You know, I'm not going to go get a hotel or something, you know.

I'm not going to camp somewhere else. My friend was kind of saying we should go camp down at a lake, a little east of where we were at. And I just said, no way, man. You know, just no way I'm camping tonight. And we basically got into a pretty sweet argument over it. And I love this dude, you know. and I just went through something insane with him, but we just weren't thinking right, you know.

But I wound up driving two and a half hours back to my place, and we didn't get in the door until 220 at night. And I was just dead tired after that from all these adrenaline spikes because the adrenaline spike doesn't go down. It didn't go down in the car until we'd been driving for an hour, an hour and a half because, you know, we're just, trying to make sense of this thing. And I realized in the car or two at some point,

I think pretty quickly that I was so, so unbelievably thankful that I had someone there with me. For one, because I don't think these things would have come into our site or done what they did, had there been other campers there. I think it was all perfect in that we showed up basically at night. I had the car running for a little while. I had the lights on.

We're walking around the campsite then with our flashlights and stuff. And I think these things just said, hey, you know, what's this? We better check this out. If we had gone there and set up our tents during the day, that might not have happened because they may have taken their looks or their peaks from the woods during the day and said it's just these two guys camping who cares, you know, and who knows

maybe they would have moved on. Maybe they don't want people there. I have no idea. But I was so thankful that I had somebody with me because I felt not safer, but I felt like maybe it didn't escalate any further because

there was two of us and because we got out of there when we did, but also because no matter what, no matter how many times I tell this story in my life and it doesn't matter who I'm telling it to whether I'm telling it to the host of a podcast that's specifically about Bigfoot

whether I tell it to my best friend my brothers, my mother and father and my wife, my kids, whatever no one can fully believe me to just the answer degree 100%. And they also I can't deliver over the

always is that we heard, the fear that I felt, the thing that I saw. Even if I tell the story perfectly, I can't deliver that over because no one else was there to experience it except for my friend. And so I at least in my life, have someone who was there and he knows exactly what happened. And even though we're both still, you know, our minds are just blown as to what did happen. He at least was there and he experienced it with me. And sometimes when I hear people who have these experiences that are like mine or even much worse, more violent, more terrifying than mine, and they're all alone and they don't have anyone else, even other experiences, they don't have anyone else who experience that exact thing with them. I think that is absolutely tragic.

And I just feel so fortunate that even though that happened, I had my friend there with me. I had someone who experienced it with me. And I don't know. I think that at least is some kind of, I can take some kind of solace from that. So that's really the account, the experience as it happened. Red, thank you for sharing that.

That is incredible. That's probably the most incredible Iowa account I've ever heard in five years. that's wild dude do you mind if I ask you a few questions that I wrote down no not at all man I'm here so I'm fine with anything these might seem really random but so what time exactly

do you think you were cooking the Bratwurst I know that it was past nine It was probably, so the window really is, like, let's say, I imagine we got there at 8.30 and we bolted out of there just after 10. So we're there for an hour and 40 minutes, let's say. I bet it was like 9 o'clock or maybe 930. You know, it's because these, I know those are the parameters of when we got in and when we left. I know because I looked at my clock on my vehicle when we pulled in. And I think it was like 820 something, 828, something like that.

And then I know when we left, just because I looked at my phone to call my wife. But, you know, as I'm talking about these sort of intervals of time, I think just because my adrenaline has spiked the whole time too, they may have been shorter, they may have been longer in between certain things happening. But it's almost hard for me to wrap my mind around. Like, were we really sitting there for 30 minutes? after the initial sound where we sitting there for 25 minutes

because that's almost more unbelievable for us to sit there that long through that. So I bet I was cooking it. I know I was cooking in after nine at least, but it may have been 9.30. Or is there any other food involved? No, I had some other food that I wasn't cooking anything

and nothing pungent. Really, when I camp, I don't bring anything too eccentric. I think I had some apples, some canned food. and like a couple broths. And just like regular type bratwurst, nothing out of the ordinary? Yeah, yeah, nothing out of the order.

I think they were those lighter color like kind of terribly gray brats that, you know. And it sounds like there wasn't anything recorded, no audio recorded, anything like that. It happened so quick and emotions were high. Yeah, and actually that, uh, I didn't know who I would tell about this. I knew I had to tell people just because I had such an anxiety. The next couple days after this, I'm constantly trying to quit smoking,

and I've quit for intervals of two years, three years, but I just always go back to it. And I had been in kind of an interval of not smoking, but I smoked two packs of two days. I was so stressed out. And as I'm trying to find, like, you know, I'm actually scrolling. through my own thing, I can tell about this.

But I want to tell my parents and, you know, I love my parents and I told them some wild stuff, but I just, I don't know, I didn't imagine I'd ever tell them. But as I told my mom, she said, did you record it? And I didn't think about that until, you know, I must have seen her Saturday. And this happened Thursday night. So I didn't think about that until Saturday. And she asked me and I just said, no, like not a second. no photos, no recording nothing.

And I just never, even in the interval of me looking at my friend for whatever, 15, 20, 30 minutes, you know, saying, we need to leave, what do we do? I never was like, hey, we should record this. And again, I'm someone who's been interested in this my entire life, basically. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, it's a thing where, you know, you never know how you're going to act until you're in the situation, right? Yeah.

Let's see. did so it sounded like you did not see the face of the creature then no not and and so when i saw her i didn't realize again that i was even looking at her until she moved but so i didn't even as she moved her hands out and dough forward i didn't even hardly make out fingers it happened so fast and it was just so dark and so black i i could tell I could see arms extend, and then I could see this sort of shape of the butt and the legs hunkered down and her torso and everything. But then it just as she took out, I didn't see any features at all on her face. Did you get a sense, and this is tricky.

Did you get a sense for how tall the creature was? It sounds like it was just lunging. You saw it on all fours and then I lunged forward. Yeah, and I'd be totally making something up or lying if I said, I think she was eight feet tall or I think because I just don't know I I do I do know that she had to have been three and a half or four feet tall and I didn't go back and measure nothing like that but I worked in construction for years my whole teenage and adult life and I just I know measurements you know and she was three and a half or four feet tall and when she lunged you know when something throws their hands forward and jumps they're going to be long anyway because I've actually I've seen a wild cat you know a mountain mine. in person before and it was running next to the vehicle that I was in out of this cornfield. And it was amazing. And from maybe 400 yards away, I thought it was a fawn, you know.

And as we got closer and I saw it, it was a mountain lion, the guy driving wanted to get as close as he could to it. And as this thing was running, the vertices that it was reaching was amazing. You know, it was like a horizon. It was like a perfect flat line with its legs. thrown out in its back legs and its tail behind it. So even, I mean, a mountain line is not a portion of the size of what this thing was, but no matter what if you're lunging like that, you're going to look long, but she, she lived long, you know, and I wish I could have seen her stand up just to be able to

truly gauge the height and the size, you know, but I didn't get to look at that at all. So the camp, the campground sounds very interesting. that's about 200 feet long. It was cleared out. Were there any buildings or anything around the area? Yeah. And so it was probably like 200 yards long. And it may have been longer because really when I,

when we showed up, I didn't take like a mental like, oh, okay, the campsite is 200 yards long. I just, as that sound occurred, you know, and the initial one, the initial whoop that was, I would say,

150 yards behind us. That being at the northwest corner of the campsite, it could have been further, but I would say the campsite was about 200 yards long. I didn't happen to use it, but there was that building. There also were some houses sort of skirting in and out of the sort of outskirts when we left.

I just thought, man, someday, I might have to go knock on some doors and say, how are you living here? Because I know you're getting bothered at night. I just can't imagine living at that place. The brick and mortar building, what corner of the campsite was that on? That was an hour. So on the southeast corner.

The southeast corner? Okay. So you were hearing, you're experiencing everything on the opposite side of the campsite then? Yeah. So that initial call came. And actually, I can kind of correspond with you with like over a map. at some point, but there's a really big pond actually down to the west of that northwest corner. And I'm just guessing, but this thing that vocalized initially, I would assume, came up maybe

from that pond. But so that was all from the northwest corner coming down to us. And then in the southeast corner, diagonally to our right in the woods, this thing knocking was in the southeast corner and then also this thing coming up in the ravine a little bit diagonally to our left. I should say too, so this is just because I'm thinking about it and I've thought about it so many times now. I think everyone who listens to the Sierra Sound door has had their own experiences, even if it's just hearing loops or howls or tree knocking in the woods, you know, people are always wondering, obviously, you know, what form of communication. is that what are they trying to communicate?

And I don't know, you know, even after having experience. I really don't know. So the initial sounds that we heard when we were gathering firewood, and I asked my friend, was that an elk? I now know that had to have been this initial thing. Having MG can make cooking difficult, but over the years, I found some really helpful tools and tips that I'm excited to share.

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you'll receive AARP benefits for two. go to AARP.org slash iHeart to join today. This initial thing that, you know, who made the noise than 150 yards from us, but so I think what they were doing, I think that one was privy to us coming in. And I think what it was doing was it was centralizing its location to other bigfoot or Sasquatch in the forest

and saying, and maybe it was saying, hey, this is where I'm at, come to me. You know, maybe just with that noise, they know, oh, maybe we should go into, there's something going on. And then, you know, because as it vocalized again, 150 yards behind us,

and then we got that tree knock within seconds, it was almost like they were, maybe that was a response to say, hey, we're here, you know? And I don't know if it was saying, I've got eyes on it and there are two of them. Or if it was saying they're two of us. Maybe it has nothing to do with,

numbers. I have no idea, but that's, I just, that was something I thought about after, you know, in the sort of following days when I've been thinking about this, you know, maybe that's an answer as to what that is. And I, again, I don't know. I'm just totally theorizing. I did do, I did track down some departments over a wildlife biologists prior to our call. I talked to each of the phone numbers on the website, just to see if I could get anyone on. on the phone and I asked them questions sort of like, were there any reports of large creatures, bears last week or this week? And they said, nope, not in a long time.

So I wanted to kind of like take that out of the picture, you know, but wow, this is, this is incredible. Did you, so you packed up everything and you didn't leave anything, did you? No, and I really don't camp as much either, you know. I think I left the bag, the casing of my chair, I think. It's a navy blue guidesman chair, and I don't think it has that logo on the bag. It's just a navy blue bag or like a sleeve bag for camping chairs. I think I left that.

And again, farewell, you know, I don't care about it at all. but everything else I had the really small cooler my chair and my tent really and that's all I had and my friend really just had his chair

and his little tent you know and we managed to get it all even though I would have been just fine is there any chance your friend would talk to me I think so

and again I don't know that he of would want to go on maybe doing it as like a public kind of thing he may be open to it, I don't know. I'm not, definitely not asking him to either. Yeah, yeah. Just for my, pretty much for my records.

Yeah. I will absolutely reach out to him and put you guys in touch. And I really do think that he would be open to talking about it because he also, just to make this even, more of a statistical anomaly believed wholeheartedly going into this. You know, it's, it just makes it so much stranger to have two people who believe and who aren't

going looking for this for it to happen to them in central Iowa. I think he'd be open to it because he actually, that night, he's really responsible about, you know, we've found some rare species of snakes before. and he reported that to the DNR. He's seen when someone has done kind of like a mass dump of littering in a park, he said, I'm calling the DNR. You know, like, he's very open to like when things are sort of a ride naturally, he's fine with reaching out to the DNR.

But we were talking about that that night. He said, I feel like I have to call the DNR. I don't, what if this ripped somebody apart? And I said, let's just think about that, though, because I don't know if I necessarily want to get tangled up with having my name involved with I haven't heard first person but I've certainly heard over accounts on reading online and just hearing people on podcasts where you know they've kind of run into some intimidation stuff and they report this kind of stuff to agencies you know not to that to people really

necessarily interested in yeah I don't know if that would be the case but I kind of said I let's think about it before we do that, you know. But in, if I'm not rambling, you know, if I can say too, I'm thinking about this because I'm mentioning what he said. You know, as we were talking about it that night, I said, can you imagine if this happened to someone who didn't know, you know, who didn't go into the experience, knowing what those noises were or could be,

didn't know what to do. What if it was to a group of guys who had been, drinking, you know, or, or, you know, a mother with her children or a family with, with children there. But I just imagine, you know, these things whooping in the night or calling out and young men being, you know, pissed drunk or something, making noises back at them or yelling back at them. And I just can't imagine that I wouldn't go over well at all, you know. This, this thing, when it, when it yowled at us with that just anger of just like the deep. deepest, just, I mean, it was just the meanest thing I've ever heard.

If that was any other predator that we know about, not just in North America, but in the entire world, that was any other predator. And I'll say like even in America, if that was a mountain lion, a coyote, a wolf, a bear, a raccoon, that thing would not have stopped vocalizing. it would have kept growling and it would have escalated and it would have come toward us even if it didn't attack us it would have pushed us out or come to try to just get a bite

you know they would have just been in this rage there's absolutely no way that any other predator would have just been complacent with okay they're leaving you know that's just not how that type of mind works this thing you know they even if they didn't plan it for it to have

exactly this way. They have tactics. They fought ahead. You know, they at least planned ahead, even if it didn't go according to their plan. It seems like it did, but if they had it their way completely, I never would have seen her either. You know, I never would have got a sight on her.

None of them exposed themselves besides her. All we heard were the vocalizations. Didn't see them besides her. My friend didn't even see her and I saw her for a flash, you know? it's these things don't want to be seen and they were pretty successful what we said a few last questions were you under the influence of anything at all that day no not not anything and that can be anything at all drink yeah yeah no i um to be honest i haven't had a drink since 2018

Perfect. Yeah, awesome. I might imbibe and other things at times, but I wasn't that day at all. Okay, perfect. What are the main things that make you think that it was not a mountain line? I know that a mountain line doesn't loop or how they don't

mumble in a way that sounds like human language. Sometimes, you know, I've heard vocalizations online where they, you know, especially with their screams, you can say, man, that sounds like a dying woman or that sounds like a witch. You know, some people say that. But this thing did match so similarly, at least.

You could have basically taken clips of the Sierra sounds out. It didn't sound exactly like them, but it fit within the exact same genre. So let's say those weren't big foot or Sasquatch and the Sierra sounds. Whatever those were, that's what was pushing us out of that site, you know. I also, you know, Mount lions don't knock on trees. I don't, to my knowledge, I've never heard of any that hunting packs. And, you know, this, again, if it was a mountain lion, it was yelling like that at us, even if it didn't attack us and didn't come right for us, we would have seen it.

You know, it would have made itself seen because one of the things with big predators is they say, I'm going to make myself look as big and mean as possible. I don't want this prey or this other predator to just hear me. they're going to see me. You know, Mountain Lions do this is where they put their ears back and they arched their back real big and, um, or they'll puff their chest out and they get that snarl on their face and they show all their teeth. It's, they're very showy in those moments.

This thing wasn't doing that. That's wild, man. I think those are the main questions. Um, if you could, and I'm, I'm not a guy that, that is, that pushes. But if you could reach out to your friend and, start that tonight after this call, that would be much appreciated. I need to talk to him as quickly as possible while it is still fresh in his mind. Absolutely.

So. Yeah, I'll call him as soon as we wrap up. And because I know at least even if he doesn't go through like a super long thing with you and give you whatever, it's been 40 minutes an hour or whatever, I know he would at least talk to you. And I know he most likely talked to you on the phone too. I bet you would go three things with you. Absolutely. That would be great.

Red, thank you so much for reaching out again. This is definitely another interesting account for Iowa. And if you think of any more details, definitely feel free to send them my way. But thank you so much, man. And I think just, you know, we, I don't know, you being an Iowa guy and being so open

and, you know, such a great platform for so many people to just be able to talk about this. I think that'll go a long way with them. Fantastic. Thanks so much. It was great chatting with you. We'll be in touch with you. Yeah. Thanks, man.

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