Bigfoot Society - Terrified in British Columbia | Fraser River Valley

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

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You've got the privilege of talking to Rob today. Rob is a physical therapist from around the Harrison Hot Springs area. And man, We've been trying to set up a chat for a while now, and I'm excited to have Rob on. He is the first interview of 2026 for being recorded, so there you go. But, Rob, welcome to the show. How are you doing today, sir? Very good, yeah.

Happy New Year to you and all your listeners. I didn't realize I'm the first one, so I guess the pressure is on, really. No pressure at all. also do we want to point out that you are you're you said you're immigrant from england to canada to this area correct yeah that's right um people can probably tell by my accent um i'm i'm a now a canadian citizen i'm a dual citizen but i moved here with my family in 2016 in july 2016 to an area in southern BC right near the Washington border. Well, actually, it's Chilliwack.

It's in the Fraser Valley and very close to the Chilliwatt Lake Valley. So I've got mountains and forests and rivers right on the doorstep. You land in Chilohawk area in the Fraser Valley. how quickly did you realize I'm in the middle of something interesting going on here with all this Bigfoot stuff? When did that start kicking in for you?

Well, I could look back now in hindsight and realize it happened really in October, but I didn't quite realize what was going on at the time if that makes sense. So I guess that sort of leads me into what happened. I've always grown up in a rural area in the UK and I've always loved the countryside and wildlife and we've got it all here you know beautiful heights

and at the time our youngest was six and we went it was a Sunday in early October so it just started raining we found out you know how true it is about the Pacific Northwest being a rainforest but we went out for a height really just looking to go go out two, three hours just for a short hike. And we went up the Chilliwap Lake Road and picked a trail. It was another lake. And we were under the assumption that it was just going to be maybe, you know, an hour or two hike.

I'm now a far more experienced hiker. I pretty much go out every weekend hiking. And this hike to get to this lake is probably eight to ten hours or more. way so we grossly misjudged it but anyway we went off and yeah you know at the time we had no bear spray no knives you know I carry those things now as well as a backpack you know with a survival kit in and first aid kit and off we went and the the trail's quite you know quite well marked and clear and um it's a typical trail here you're going to through thick forest, lots of cedar and Douglas firs and hemlock trees.

And we were going up and we'd been going about maybe 45 minutes. And the one thing I must stress is there's like a makeshift parking lot. And we were the only car there the whole time. And even when we left, there was no other vehicles. And there was nobody up there at all. we didn't see any sign of anybody camping or anything like this. But anyway, we went up and part of the way up, there was a very large tree that had uprooted. You know, it had crashed down.

Big tree, you know, something like a, probably like a Douglas fir, and all the roots were exposed, and they had bits of like soil and earth on them. And the nice thing about this trail is at the start of the trailhead, people have left like makeshift, their branches, but they've sort of modeled them into sort of walking sticks, walking canes. So we all picked one of those just for fun. And when we were near this tree, the youngest of me just started chisling away at the earth around the roots.

You know, I was, you know, we were saying how amazing it is to see the, you know, the roots of the tree. And then my youngest started whacking the roots. You know, these are big roots with his thick. And, you know,

he did that for a bit. It was all good fun. And then we carried further on up. And then I'd say, you know, it was a while later that, you know, it dawned upon us that this lake was probably quite a lot further than what we realized.

So my wife, she was doing some care work at the time while she was waiting for her nursing qualifications to be accepted. And she had to do a late shift and she said, look, I want to get back and relax a bit before, you know, my work. So we turned around and we went back down and we came back to the very same tree route. my wife was ahead my youngest was in the middle and I was you know at the back

and he started digging and then really whacking the tree root again and then I joined in with him you know smacking the tree root with our sticks

now realizing you know your tree knocking but at the time you know you were just sitting a root and my wife had stopped at the same time and you know this was on like a decline like a gradient

the way the trail was going and we stopped for a bit and my wife was saying listen you know I want to get back and and as we were just talking there was obviously big trees near us like there is in the forest and this rock just just came out flying out the bush.

You know, it wasn't a rock that tumbled. It didn't fall from high. It flew out from the bush. And the way I can describe it, the trajectory, it was like in a straight line. So it wasn't a loose bit of rock. And it flew right out, hit this tree a few meters in front of us,

and hit the ground. So, you know, I caught it out of my periphery. You heard it, you know, hit the tree. and then you heard it like, shut on the ground. And my wife must have seen it as well. And she spun right around to me and said,

was that a rock, or wore a stone? And I was, you know, not knowing what was going on. And I said, yeah. And then I'm a bit of a practical joke. You know, back in England, if we were walking in the woods or something,

you know, I'd throw a stone in the bushes to, you know, make it down and make out it with an animal or something just as, try and scare people. So my wife thought it was me and she said, did you do that? And I was going, no.

And she said, be honest with me, did you do that? And I said, no. And she said, well, who did that? And I said, I don't know. And we were going back and forth like this for maybe a minute. And then a second one came out from the same area and hit the tree. Again, the same tree.

Couldn't believe it hit the same tree. and I won't tell you the language that we use but my wife was like we're going we've got to go and I kind of went for a brief second or two said hang on hang on and I was looking up into the forest and I couldn't see anything

but then you could hear something kind of breaking branches But by the sound of it, these weren't small like twigs or branches. This was heavy breaking. And then there was just this sense of we've got to go right now, you know, this complete, I wouldn't call it dread, but just this we've got to get out of there. So we were, you know, we were almost running back down this trail.

I mean, I was at the back, my wife was in the front, and my youngest was in the middle. and I was virtually pushing my youngest and I said to him, I don't care, you've got to keep, I don't care how tired you are, you got to keep moving. And as soon as we started to move,

I could still hear, you know, the odd things breaking. And then the other thing I could hear, the only way I can describe it is sometimes when I've been hiking on trails, if you're hiking with somebody or hiking yourself, if you jump down onto a trail,

it almost sounds like the ground is hollow. It's a weird sound. and I could hear like thuds and by defense of it it was something big anyway we were walking down for the first minute or two I kept looking behind and I was just convinced we were going to get jumped you know I was convinced and I don't know by what or who but I was just convinced you know we ain't going to make it to the car and none of us were talking I was just occasionally going to my youngest. I was pushing him in the back when he was slowing down and I said, just keep going. I said, you've just got to do this. And then in time, I don't know, 20 minutes or so,

we started to see the car. There was a bit of relief. We got down to the parking lot, got in the car, didn't quite burn rubber getting out of there, but got out of there quick, straight on the Lake Road and we were going home. And I would say

it was probably several minutes before one I just talked and you know my life was like what happened back there and I don't know and we got home and you know it was a it was a weird situation and it was a scary situation and you know as we were driving back my wife said I don't ever want to go up there again and to this day she hasn't and this is this is over nine years ago now so So that was the initial thing. I mean, up until then, Jeremiah, you know, we're about 20 minutes from Harrison Hot Springs. And if you Google Harrison Hot Springs, that's where John Green lived.

And I, you know, had a newspaper. There's a Sasquatch Museum. So we've been out to visit that. And it's all touristy. You know, there's Sasquatch models everywhere and statues and wood figures. And I'll be honest with you. I just thought it's a bit of a tourist thing. You know, I didn't put it down to any more than that.

You know, I just thought, you know, I'd heard about it. I mean, I don't care who you are. Most people have heard of Bigfoot, but to varying levels. I'd heard of it back in the UK. I think just for fun once years ago in the UK, I'd seen one of the episodes of Finding Bigfoot. But I didn't think any more of it. I just thought it was a myth and, you know, a tourist attraction.

So I knew about it from that, but I didn't link the subject with what happened that day in the forest. But the weird thing was I didn't feel it was a person either. I didn't get the sense it was a person. To be honest, if I thought it was a person, somebody throwing two rocks, they weren't stones. They were probably, I'm trying to think maybe like a solid. ball size rock. Throwing that at me and my family, particularly when I've got a kid,

I would have gone up in the forest looking for them to sort them out, basically. But I just didn't get that sense that it was a person, but I couldn't figure out what it happened or what it was. So that's, that's, you know, I can look back now and think

that's when it, it sort of happened. But at the time, I didn't put two and two together. So that, like I say, that was around October 2016. So, you know, when you asked like, when did you first become aware, I guess unofficially, that's when things started. I can't imagine living through that. I mean, because you're, but you said you're miles and miles out there and no one was out there.

Well, we, the car, the parking lot is right on the road, but we were about, 45 minutes up the trail up the mountain in the forest and there and there there was nobody there and i can tell you now this area now there's no homeless living up there nobody lives up there it's too far out for for somebody to do that there are homeless in that river valley but they're further down way further down the road closer to the town but up where we are or where we were sorry, that there were no people. Agents who are realtores do more than open doors. They analyze market trends, interest rates, comps.

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and you didn't want folks being near you, you would stop them from coming up, not watch them, wait for them to go down, and then, you know, try and scare them if that makes sense. No, it absolutely does. Thinking back to how you saw the rocks fly out of the bushes. Yeah. As a physical therapist, could you tell anything about what was throwing the rocks by the way it was thrown? Well, it was a straight trajectory.

It was horizontal. You know, it came straight out, and it was thrown with force. It would be like you or I picking up a stone and throwing a stone. I mean, you know, you've got to remember we've been in the country for a couple of months. I was getting to grips with, you know, the wildlife, the fauna and stuff. You know, I got home that day and I was thinking, well, a bear, you know, a bear can't pick a rock up like that and throw a rock. And, you know, as a physical therapist, it's got to be something with thumbs and fingers and opposing thumb to grasp a rock and throw it. And, you know, if either being in Asia or South America, you'd probably think it was a monkey or something or, you know, a primate.

but we weren't and I didn't think that. Logic would tell you it was a person but I still can't get my head around this. I never once felt it was a person and I don't know why. I'll be honest with you it troubled me. It really troubled me for a bit because there was no people up there.

I'm convinced of that. I'm convinced of that. It was a weird feeling but your rational brain is saying to you only a person can throw a rock but the flip side was I strongly felt that it wasn't a person and I said to my wife

you know do you think anybody was up there and she said well we didn't see or hear anyone you know we didn't see any sign or anything like that um it's you know all these years down the I'm still baffled by it.

I mean, there's a bit of me now that wishes I could have, well, I say held my ground and waited to see what happened. I had my boy with me, you know, his safety is my priority, as is my wife. If I was a lone hiker now, I mean, depending on how I felt, I would have tried to pluck up the courage to just try and hang in there a little bit longer and see what it was. But, you know, I must admit, later on that evening, I became a bit angry about it

and you know kind of not necessarily saying right I'm going straight back but I just wished because I heard something moving you know that I heard you know I could hear these like thugs

and I could hear heavy breaking of branches you know you could tell they were loud snaps and my wife heard that as well I mean it really affected I say it really affected her, she will not go to that area at all. She just doesn't do it.

And, you know, the one thing I will say in my family, I'm the only one that believes in this subject. The rest of my family, just think, you know, just think it's all myth. So they tease me a bit. But I always say to my wife, well, what do you think

it was that day? And all she ever said was, I don't know what it was, but I just don't want to go back. So it's, um, it was a strange situation. You know, after a few days, you forget about it and, you know, off you go again. And again, I can look back now and think, I can reflect on things that happened shortly after and think, oh, there was something going on. And what happened?

My wife with her care work, she was doing work for a client who just needed some short-term care. and it just so happened this client and her husband that they're retired but they're very keen hikers and pretty hardcore hikers and my wife got to know them and we bought a house

in the early part of 2017 and my wife invited them around one evening just to come and meet me and my boys and see the house and it turned out the husband

is retired from the forestry service. So he had a job where he would go out and survey forest for potential logging. And he would have to do like these, I guess these surveys on it, on whether it was sustainable, harmful to the forest and stuff.

And he'd had a career out of it. And I was a member, Jeremiah, we were sat down in our lounge and my wife and this guy's wife, they went upstairs. My wife was showing her the house. And I was chatting to this guy. And we're good friends with them now. They really introduced us to a lot of hiking.

We're very grateful to them for it. And anyway, he said, you know, I always remember he was sitting there. And he said, oh, you know, have you been hiking? And I said, oh, I've done a little bit. But, you know, I'm kind of new to it. And he was like, oh, I'll take you out. Come with me. I'll show you some great hikes, and we got talking, and I, you know, naturally started asking him about wildlife and bears and stuff like that.

And he's chatting away. And this area, we get a lot of black bears, we don't really get grizzlies. You know, I've heard they pass through, but you're very unlikely to see one. But, you know, black bears, I've seen multiple times. But I don't know why. I said to him, you know, I've asked you a question. and he was like sure I said if you're out in the forest here

I said what what could throw a rock at you and I look back now and he's whole expression changed and he just looked really confused and he went

what do you mean so I told him what had happened what I've just told you and I remember he looked upstairs and then he looked at me and he leant forward

and he kind of went where was this and I was telling him and then he was like whereabouts on that trail and I said well I don't know the precise thing

but I was telling him and he was kind of like and he was he was really thinking about it at the time I was just looking at him thinking oh he's giving this a good thought I still maintain

to this day he knows stuff and he just doesn't really tell me he doesn't really tell me but anyway then he sat back and he went oh it was a crazy hermit and I said, oh, I disagree. And he went, no, no, he went,

you get these weird forest hermits out there. You know, I will say to this day, I've never really met one. But anyway, this is what he said. And we left it at that. And he said, hey, we'll go out for a hike in a couple of weeks. We'll show you a different area. And he just saw up, and a couple of weeks later,

his son, who's a pretty hardcore outdoorsman, hiker, skier, etc. he came to visit and we all met up on a different location up this river valley and my wife and my youngest went and my wife and his wife walked ahead with my youngest and i held back with the husband and their son who's about i don't know 30 and the husband waited for the ladies and my lad to go further ahead and then he i remember this jeremiah he tapped me on on the arm and he went up he said tell him about the rock throwing and I was like what

and he went you know this is probably February Jeremiah you know and bear in mind it happened in October he said and he said

his son listen to this and he said you tell him what happened so I told him it and his son looked you know

again looked all serious and and oh right and he's looking at his dad his dad's looking at him and then the son

goes where's this and I go oh just further down here. You know, I'm going, because there's a road, really, and I call it the Canadian side and the US side, and I said, oh, the US side of the road. And the son went, really? And he went, what did you see?

And I didn't see anything, but I heard, you know, stuff moving about and breaking. And he went, oh, and they both had this look. And I actually said to them at the time, what is it? I went, just tell me straight, what is it? And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, it's nothing. nothing. And I said, there's something up. I said, you're both looking a bit weird. You know, you'll keep you, there's something you both know. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's good. And then they were like, come on here, come on and let's catch them up, you know,

before we lose them. And they sort of left it at that. And if I look at it now, I think, I think they knew something that they just maybe didn't want to tell me, whether that's because, I don't know, I would have blown it off or laughed at them. I don't know or for whatever reason. But I think they were aware of potentially what it could have been at that time. And if I look at it now, that was like, I guess, like a subtle introduction. And then about, yeah, it was that time I just started working in private clinics as a physical therapist. And, you know, one of the great things about the work I do is I meet people from all walks of life.

And, you know, you get a nice rapport going with people and you ask them about their work and their pastimes and stuff. And lots of people in this area do hiking and lots of people do hunting. So I started asking a few hunters and most of them were just like, well, I don't know what that was. You know, that was a bit weird. and then two or three of them said oh there's lots of crazy people out in the area I think some people even told me well I remember them telling me

oh you know there's illegal groves and you must have stumbled across in illegal grow and I was like well it's not very well hidden if it was I said it's on a you know it's on a hiking trail so I still you know I guess I kind of

got over it so to speak, Jeremiah. And I was getting more regularly with my hiking, and I had a bit of kit going, you know, bear spray nice. I started to, you know, properly equip myself. And then it was, it was later on that year.

So that's 2017. I treated a policewoman, a member of the RCMP. And it just so happened. They were indigenous. And, you know, after three or four visits with somebody, you know, get comfortable with them and you chat.

And I was telling, you know, she was asking me, you know, have you been out hiking and stuff and I'm chatting away? And I just got talking about things. And she said, like, have you seen anything cool, like wildlife? And I was talking. And then I don't know why, but I brought this thing up about the rocks, or not the rock, the rocks. And she said, what have you been told then?

And I said, oh, I said, well, most people tell me it's like a hermit or a crime. crazy person. And then she said, do you think that? And I said, oh, I said, it's weird. I said, I just didn't get the feeling it was. I said, but I just don't know what it was. And then I remember, you know, she said, you understand I'm, I'm indigenous. You know, do you understand our culture and our background?

And I said, oh, well, only very basic. And she said, should I tell you what I truly believe it is? And I said, well, yeah, sure, I'd appreciate it. and she said, I believe it's a saskatch. And initially, I kind of chuckled a bit. And then, you know, I suddenly realized I was chatting to a policewoman and she gave me quite a stern look. And she said, why are you laughing? And I said, oh, I'm sorry.

I said, is that just, you know, is that not a tourist thing? And she said, no. And she then explained the significance of it in her culture. and she was telling me that in her, I guess, tradition, that they considered them an ancient kind of tribe of humans. And I was like, are they not like a missing link at like a primate? And she said, no, no, they're not. She said they're like a unique people.

And she said, you know, a very long time ago, we actually had links with them and it was like this was a bond shell for me Jeremiah I was like oh my god this is you know where's this come from and her thoughts were she said I think it was throwing

the rocks at you to get you out because she felt this thing had seen something of danger maybe like a bear or a cougar and it was ushering you out of the area which I thought was a quite an interesting way of looking at it. And then after that, you know, I got in that day and I kind of said it to my wife.

He just said like, oh, here we go. You know, just laughed and went, no, that's all nonsense. But I'm sure you know yourself and from people you've spoken to. I went down a massive rabbit hole that day. I got on Google and then that was it. I was just all in. You know, I was on all, you know, looking at everything online.

I started to listen to podcasts. I bought books. And then for weeks afterwards, every time I went out, every little snap or sound in the forest was a Sasquash. You know, I can honestly say now I became obsessed with it, you know. And it was a while later that I was still treating her. she came back for a different injury. And I was looking to buy a car. I was looking to buy a four-wheel drive.

And she said, well, if you do see one you like, get in touch with my husband, I'll give you his cell phone. He's also R-CMP. Agents who are realtors do more than open doors. They analyze market trends, interest rates, comps. They can tell you about flood zones, mixed-use zones, and decode acronyms like HOA, APR, MLS. They connect you to lawyers.

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The husband, her husband, came out with me to buy it. And when I bought it, he said, come and pick me up. And he said, I'll show you some kind of forest service roads, logging roads. You could drive up at the River Valley. And we went out for several hours in an afternoon, you know, driving about, getting out, looking around. And inevitably, we got on his subject. and he was listening to me

and he was like oh yeah and he said yeah I agree with my wife he said I think you came across one and then he's got a phone out Jeremiah he got his cell phone and you have a look at this and it was a video of him that his wife took from her car and they were out in that river valley scouting

for the potential game you know they're hunters and on this video you can hear this crazy vocalisation and you can see the husband looking up into the forest and you can hear his wife he's recording him on the phone going

you know what the heck is that and he's like I don't know and it goes on for about 30 seconds looking back bizarre it sounded almost bits like chieners and I'm familiar with coyotes and I said to them is that coyotes and he went no no no he said that wasn't a coyote he said trust me he said I know my animals and I said what was that and he said

it's one of these you know one of these beings and then he said to me he said his wife recorded it he said there was other vocalizations and what were they like and I remember he always said to me it sounded like a pissed off gorilla. And I, you know, I said to him, I said, so these things really are, you know, really are real. And he went, oh yeah, buddy, he said, you better believe it. And he told me, I don't know,

it wasn't in this area, but he told me a couple of things. He told me once when he was young, he went hunting, or he was camping in the winter of kind of hunting with his family. He was a young kid. And when they got out in the morning, he said there was massive footprint as well as small, footprints, much smaller footprints, but he said they look like human footprints. And I said, well, what was that? And he said, oh, it was clearly an adult with a young. And he said, I remember my dad and my uncle

saying to me, whatever you do, don't follow these footprints. So he was telling me this. And then he also told me a few years earlier, not when, not before that when he was a kid, but a few years ago, he was telling me he was what do they call it when they do like spotting for hunting

with a scope and he was looking up a mountain side with snow and he said he saw an upright being just brooking it up this

this mountain and he said Rob there was no way a human could do what this thing was doing and he said it was too big and he said he watched

it for a scope on another mountain side you know for about five minutes so I was you know, like I say, that's when I started to think. And then, you know, you look into it and then you come across like Harrison Hot Springs, Saskatche Park, and, you know, you think, you know, I'm in an area where there's quite a rich history of this.

So that was when, you know, I started to get an interest in this and kind of relate back to the rock can think that there could be a potential that this thing was doing it. So I guess it was 2017, Jeremiah, going right back to that question of yours, where the penny dropped for me, so to speak. My goodness, what a place to start going down a rabbit hole into Sasquatch. I mean, is the perfect place. And I went headfirst down. I'll be honest with you, I went, it was a bit unhealthy.

You know, I just, you know, and then I was also really naive and thought, I'm going to see one of these things in no time at all. And I would go off exploring, for one of the better word, I would go off the beaten path, I would go off on old abandoned logging roads just to see where things were. Just, I know it sounds mad, and I realize now it was a bit silly, just in the hope of finding a track or hearing something

or potentially seeing something, you know. But I was, I'm one of these people, if I get interested in something, you know, I'll just read anything on it. And that's exactly what I did.

And I went through this phase where like I say, I was all in on it. And then I've gone through a couple of phases where I kind of go off topic or go off the subject

because I kind of think no no it's nonsense and we were out in Harrison Hot Springs this was maybe a year or so later we were out in Harrison Hot Springs and we went to this museum this Sasquatch Museum and you know it's not the biggest museum

but it was interesting and you know they've got like reports in there and past the footprints And to be honest, you know, to actually see a cast of a footprint, they've got some, I believe they might be original replica casts from the Patterson Gimlin site. But, you know, you look at these casts and you think, bloody hell, you know, this is massive. You know, like you really get an appreciation how big these tracks are.

Anyway, I was in, sat into the curator, so to speak, and I said, oh, I said, you know, we were hiking and my wife just rolled her eyes and she just walked off and I'm going to tell her and I told her I'm telling this lady what happened and then she was like oh you know you need to speak to this guy and it just so happens I'm probably not going to tell you who it was but if I did you know it was straight away this this guy has written books on the subject and I'd actually bought some of these books and he'd helped set up the museum and provide the castes and different and stuff and photos and things. And he was from around, you know,

he actually knew like John Green, Renata Hindon, Peter Byrne, Grover Krantz, all that lot. But anyway, she said, he lives fairly localness. She said, you need to get in touch of him and tell him what happened because he records and files all these reports. So I was like, oh, great, you know. So I got his details.

like we're doing now, he called me. And I start telling him what had happened. And for one of a better word, he just rublished it. He went, oh, no, he said, it's all BS. You know, they don't throw rocks. Nobody's ever seen one throwing a rock. I was like, really? I said, I've read books on it and I've read reports.

He went, no, no, no. He went, they don't throw rocks. He went, there's been no sighting of, one throwing the rock. He went, there's no evidence for it. So I was like, oh, okay. And he said, yeah, yeah, you just, you came across a hermit. And again, I said, no, I don't think I did. He said, no, you did. I said, no, I said, you had to be there at the time to realize it wasn't a person. I said, if you'd have been with us, you'd know it wasn't a person. So we were starting to get, I guess, a little bit heated over it. Right. And then,

Anyway, I just thought, well, here's the so-called expert. So I started firing off questions. I said, you know, what about wood knocking? And he was like, yeah, people say they do, but again, there's no, there's not one report of one being seen making a wood knock or clacking rocks together. Then I started asking other questions about other things. And he just seemed to dismiss everything.

And I'm listening to him. And to be honest, Jeremiah, I was just like, this guy's been writing books on this. You know, you can find this guy on YouTube. This guy goes on these YouTube documentaries. You know, he's featured on some podcast. He's famous for this. And I thought, he's just dismissing so many things. So I said to him, do you actually believe in it?

And he kind of went, well, yeah, yeah. And I went, so you do? And he went, yeah, I went, what do you think it is? And he went, oh, he said, I think it's an undiscovered North American primate. And I said, well, what about some of the indigenous things about it being, you know, an ancient human tribe? No, no, no, no, no, he said, none, it's not that at all. He went, it's an undiscovered primate. And then I said, and this is still my view now, and it's only my view, I appreciate that,

I said to him, do you not think we would have called it by now? And he went, no, no, it's highly intelligent. And I said, so you're telling me there's an ape out there more intelligent than a human? And he was like, well, this is highly intelligent. And I said, well, it can't be that in my mind because we would have got one stuffed in a museum or certainly catalogues by now. But anyway, we, you know, we finished the phone call. And I just was very negative about everything.

I just was like, you know what, this is all complete nonsense. It's full of people who are out making themselves to be experts and have got no true interest and are just taking your money. And I went off the subject, you know, to be honest. And put the books away. Stop watching anything from YouTube. Stop listening to some podcasts. I was just like, I've just been completely had.

Still baffled by what happened with the rocks, but just thought, no, it's all, you know, it's all hearsay. And kind of left it with that. And I guess I went fairly cold on the subject. And that period was leading up into 2000. And, you know, there was that big world event in 2000 where things got locked down, shut down. My clinic was closed for two months. You know, only select businesses were open. So I just started doing a ton of hiking every day.

I was very lucky. You know, I was going out several times a week. My wife was still working as a nurse. The boys were home from school. You know, the schools were closed. So I said to my wife, I'm going to go hiking. She said, sure. And it was great because you didn't see anyone.

You had no contact. And it was during this time that I found what I thought might be a large track. This was the photo that I sent you a couple of days ago. I don't know if you got to see it at all. Yes. Yeah. So I, again, look, it's just my opinion. I thought it looked like a large human footprint.

I took a photo of it. I put my foot next to it. I tried to make an impression in the ground, didn't leave a mark at all. You know, I weigh about 230 pounds at six foot. You know, I'm a pretty lean, 230. I go to the gym a lot and always have, and I was pushing my foot in and couldn't leave an indentation. I got home, I showed it to my wife, and I said, what do you think? She said, that looks like a massive footprint.

and then she laughed and she went oh there you go you've got your big for it at last and I don't know I kept it um I sent it to a couple of people one of them was like yeah yeah that really looks like one one of them was like no no I don't think it is so you know I had mixed views on that but just kept the photo anyway you know just because I thought it was quite interesting. During this period as well, I 100% heard some,

I guess you'd call it whooping from a valley one day when I was out hiking. You know, whoops. As far as I know, there's not anything recognised around here, wildlife-wise, that we whoop like this thing did. So for about a minute, I heard this loud,

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But, you know, again, I was out almost every day. doing a hike for several hours a day. And then during that period, I was right up on an old, very old trail going up to a forest up through a mountain. And I don't know, I think I sent you the video of it. I videoed and took photos of, to me, looked like quite a distinct tree formation.

And I think I sent you the video. Again, I don't know if you've been able to see it. But I, you know, I'd read about stuff and I thought, oh, I wonder if it's anything to do. I then sent it to quite a recognised person in the field of this subject. They kindly got back to me very promptly and just said, oh, no, that's 100% snowfall. I've seen these all the time. That's snowfall. And, you know,

they've been looking into this subject way longer than I have. So I was like, okay, that's fine, appreciate it. And just thought, yeah, I'm just, I'm being a bit irrational now.

I'm putting everything down to one of these creatures. So, you know, again, quite went off the subject, but just calmed down a little bit. So up until that point, I was, I guess, dipping in and out of the subject, just based my experience and feedback. In this area where this same rough area, where this tree structure and the footprint, I might

add, well, what I thought was a footprint, I might add was found. during this time frame one of the local outdoor groups here was asking for volunteers to go and help with trail maintenance where you just go up and cut down branches and tidy up the trail and I went along with it and I went with this group of people probably about 10 of us

and you know I was given a pair of lockers and there was his plan for the day and they put us all at different stages along this trail. And the whole time you were there, you just didn't see anybody. You know, they agreed to me at certain times. I was bending overlooking. And in the forest, I heard this, I can't mimic it at all, this weird whistling.

So I heard it. I sort of stood up, looked around, looked into the forest where it came from, didn't hear anything, turned around again, bent over, started cutting stuff again, it whistled again. And I did the same thing. I got up, I looked around again and nothing again. And this happened three or four times. And the last time it happened, I turned around and looked into the forest for quite a while, probably for two or three minutes, because I thought, you know, I'd use somebody playing games with me.

and it was about half an hour later everybody met up and I saw the person who was way up the trail ahead of me coming back down around like a switchback and I said to her how far up do you and then she said oh I was way up there and I said was there anyone between you and me and she said no and I said to her were you whistling at me and she went no no no no she said I've been up there. I said, were you, I said, were you like playing tricks on me? And she said, no, no, I wasn't. So, I didn't say any more than that, but it wasn't a bird whistle. You know, it wasn't anything like that. And it was every time I turned the back, something, or somebody was whistling at me. So again, I can't, I'm not even going to try and attempt to whistle like it was, but it didn't

sound like a bird to me. And this, you know, again, I just spoke to this lady about it and she said, while you're asking them, I said, oh, somebody was whistling at me. And she just went, oh, okay, that's weird. And I didn't think any more of it. So I sort of, you know, left it at that again. I kept hiking, you know, I kept hiking the whole time. But I kind of went out with the mindset of just go out and enjoy the.

the height, forget about this thing, just, you know, appreciate the great outdoors and listen to the sounds of nature. So I went, I'll be honest with you, Jeremiah, I went a little bit unhealthy with it at times. I just, I just got to become a little bit too obsessed with it, which wasn't a good thing. And, you know, depending on who I spoke to, I'll glow hot and cold, you know, sort of regarding it. But then what I started to do as a physical therapist, I started to, you know, when I'm chatting to a patient, I ask them what they do, you know, in the spare time. And if they were like, oh, I'm a hiker or a hunter,

I'd go, all right, you know, where'd you go? And then I try and get a grasp on how receptive they are. And I always go, like, have you seen, you know, a lot of wildlife? And if they say, no, I'll leave it to that. But if they say, oh, yeah, I've seen stuff. And then I'll say like, you know, you've seen any other stuff? And I'll say, I'll even say like, you had anything weird happened. And that's when I've started to get really accounts from people that told me stuff.

And usually when they told me, I then told them about the original incident back in 2016 with the rocks. And then we get talking about the subject. but I remember one of them was a guy and he said he was driving over one of the bridges up this river valley and he's adamant he saw one of these things in the river really bathing and washing you know sort of stooped over rubbing it's you know I say rubbing itself almost like you're in the shower and you're scratching your back watch washing your back and um he said to me 100% it's one of these things he said it wasn't a person um and i said to him and he said well i'm i'm 99% convinced i've seen once so he said i do so he was an interesting

one and i i had a you know a patient who is indigenous um he he lives on one of the reserves up near one of the lakes here and he recalls as a kid one of these things on a regular basis looking into the bedroom window at him and his siblings when he was younger and again he also said

as an adult he's seen one in the river in the summer and he you know when I asked him similar to the, you know, the police woman going back years before, he said, you know, we believe they're like an ancient tribe, but he thinks that they have special abilities. You know, they're almost sort of supernatural beings. So he went down quite a spiritual route on it, I guess.

And I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I wasn't disagreeing with him. you know, I said, yeah, you know, I get it. But the best one I had, and this one, I didn't even ask about the subject or try any prompts, this guy, he moved here from Northern Ireland. And I don't know if you've ever heard of somebody from Northern Ireland. It's not like the Irish accent that you would think of. It's a very separate accent to the Republic of Irish accent. It's a very thick, kind of like almost gruff accent.

And he was telling me, he was about 70 years old. He was incredibly fit. And he said, I've always hunted. And I said, oh, like deer. And he said, no, bear. And I said, bear. He said, yeah, I love bear. He said, you know, bear meat, bear sausages, what have you.

And he said, you know, Rob, he said, I'm not one of these hunters that sit in a deer stand. He said, you know, I go on foot and on tracking these things. But anyway, you know, I started asking him about wildlife and things, and he was telling him about the hunting. And I was treating him, and I was doing a technique. And then right out the blue, he just looked at me with a big smile on his face. And he went, I've seen a Sasquatch, you know. And momentarily, I thought, who's he been talking to?

Does he know my wife or something? So I almost looked at him and went, oh, right. And then I went, have you? And he went, yeah. And he went, you probably don't believe me. And I said, well, I didn't say that. I said, tell me what happened. And he said, he moved to Canada when he was 18 or 19 years old,

and he bought a motorbike. And he had a motorbike in Northern Ireland. And, you know, the roads there are tarmac roads. They're not like logging roads, you know, forest service roads that you have here. So he said, I got this motorbike and he said, Rob, I rode it everywhere. I went up the mountains. He said, I was always in the mechanic shop having repairs.

He said, I just went over the roughest road. But this is the story that always stands out. He said it was in the summer. He was coming up, I guess, up a forest service road, a logging road. And he said, I saw a Sasquatch, sunbathing. And I was like, what do you mean, sunbathing? and he said, sunbathing.

So he described this thing sitting on a rocky ledge, on its side, if you can visualize this, one knee propped up, resting on one elbow. And I was like, oh yeah,

I could see why you say sundaiving. And I said, what happened? And he said, well, I was driving up. And he said, I just saw this giant, naked, hairy man.

And I went, what? And he went, I saw this giant, naked, hairy man. And he said, he said, I waved at him. And he said, I carried on riding, and I waved at him. And I said, so you thought it was a giant, naked, hairy man? And he went, yeah, that's what it looked like. And I went, well, did he not think it was a bit weird?

And he went, I don't know, Rob. He said, I'd just arrived at it. He rode after waving at it, and then he said, then this thing got up. And he said, I hit the brakes immediately because he said it was enormous. Like he described it as a giant. And he said, it got up. And he said, Rob, I'll tell you now, knowing what I know about hunting, you went,

it got up the side of this mountain so quick and so swiftly, there's no way a person could have done it. And he said, it went up the mountain and it was gone. And I said, what do you do? And he said, I turned around and went back because he said it scared me. And I said, so was it like a primate? And he went, no, no, he said it's not a primate. He said it's a giant naked, hairy man. And that's all he kept describing it as.

And I said, so you think they're giants? He said, yeah, it's like a giant man, Rob. And he said, it definitely was a man. He said, you know, because I remember he made a joke. He said, this man would be popular with the ladies, Rob, if you know what I mean. And I went, oh, okay. But he said, all these people will tell you. it's like a primate or something along those lines.

He said, not what I saw, but he said massive. He was saying it was about eight foot, broad as anything, very muscular. And he said, for speed it went up the mountain. And it was interesting because he said, I just went away and thought, oh, I saw a massive, naked, hairy man. And again, I said, did you not think that was a bit strange? And he went, well, I don't know. and then he started dating a Canadian

and he was telling me he was somewhere with her and they were looking through a book and there was like a drawing or something like that of a Sasquot and then he went oh what's this and his girlfriend at the time said oh we call it it a Sasquatch and then he was like

oh I've seen that and then he said she was saying what do you mean you've seen it and he said oh I saw it you know and he told what happened and then she went

no no these things aren't really and he went yeah they are I've seen one but he

always called it it it's weird he calls it a saskatch but he talks about a giant man

it was it was because when he came back on a subsequent visit I asked him more

and he would use the term Sasquatch but he was adamant adamant it was a giant hairy

man not not fur but hair And then he said to me, I said, have you ever seen one again since? He went, no, but he said, I've smelt them. And I said, you smelt them? And he said, yeah. He said, Rob, he said, I've smelt bear.

And I've smelt a bear. And it's got quite a different thing, smelt. He went, these things, he said, it stinks to high heaven. He said, it's worse than a skunk. And he said, I've been hunting before. And he said, I know I've been very close to them. But he was such an interesting one, Jeremiah, because if you speak, to him, it was so weird because he's describing a fast spot. That's what he saw. But he's talking

about it as if it was a giant human. And that's what it is in his mind. And I said to him, so you're saying it's like a person. And you went, oh yeah, absolutely. Agents who are realtors do more than open doors. They analyze market trends, interest rates, comps. They can tell you about flood zones, mixed use zones, and decode acronyms like HOA, APR, MLS. They connect you to lawyers, contractors, even Phil, the Sewerscope guy. They negotiate, coordinate, advocate for you, close the deal with you, and hand the keys to you. They bring you home. Realtor's are members of the National Association of Realtors, right by you. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe,

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because he just said it so completely out of the blue and it was fascinating talking to him about it and he waved at this thing as well because he just thought it was a person a big person but he said when it stood up he said then he realised you know not to go any further

but this thing took off anyway and that I think was in the mission area, the mountains around mission, because I was working in a different town, I was working in a town called Abbottesford at the time, and he was telling me it was out that way. And he still, to this day, I mean,

it was a few years ago I saw him, but up until that point, he was still going out, hunting and, you know, up through the mountains and things. But he said, it's not a primate. He said there's nothing primate about it or ape-like

about it. He said it's, it's it's a giant person. And, you know, it's just, for me, it's fascinating. When you know somebody and you know them as being very genuine and nothing up to that point has made you think that they fabricate

or lie about anything, and then they come out and tell you something like that, it's incredible. So that was, you know, a really, you know, interesting one for it. And then this year, funnily enough, Harrison Hot Springs has a, you know, it's got bed and breakfasts and small hotels. And it's got a large hotel, Harrison Hot Springs Hotel. And one of my patients was at a conference there and she decided her company paid for it to stay all week at the hotel rather than commute back to her home.

so anyway I was asking about what the hotel was like and this hotel is right by Harrison Lake and she went really annoying at night and it was in the summer

I said why is that and she's quite an overweight lady and she said you know when you're like me Rob you sweat all the time so she said I sleep with the windows open and she said I had like the windows open to a very small balcony

and these balconies look over the lake and she went every night she went about 2 a.m. around that time she went there's this weird howling and I was like what do you mean howling she went

it would start over one side of the lake in the mountains and these mountains on this side of the lake the east side that's where staff watch provincial park is and you're not far from Ruby Creek

I don't know if you're familiar with the Ruby Creek story but it's yeah it's out that way so she said it would start on that side of the mountain and then she said a minute or two later you hear it from the other side of the mountain and she said these calls would go back and forth for i can't remember how long she said for quite a period of time so she said i'd lie there in bed hearing it from one side and over on the other and i said what do you think she said they were like scum screams and they were like howls and i said like a wolf and she said no not a wolf and i will say as far as i know wolves are not very common in this area at all i've never met anyone who's seen one coyotes yeah but not wolf but she said it wasn't like a wolf and all i can say about this particular lady is as a patient i wasn't going to press her and go do you think it was a

masquash because she probably would do the sort of the patient that wouldn't come back to see me because she'd think I was a crackpot. But in my mind, I was just chucked in the way because I thought, oh, you know, it's pretty interesting what she heard. And I said to her, well, it must have been big if you can hear it from one side and then you can hear it, you know, something else was calling from the other. And she was like, yeah, but I remember she said really irritated because she said it happened every night and it started to annoy me after a while.

But, you know, in my mind, I'm sort of thinking, you know, how fortunate it was. And, you know, just it's a shame she couldn't try and somehow record it. But again, she would only have her sort of cell phone. But that's in, you know, that's in the Harrison Hot Springs area. And going back originally, the chat that I mentioned, Jeremiah, that was a retired forestry service worker. I last hike within last year. They now go abroad a lot for vacations and things and what have you.

And the last time I went hiking, he used to tease me a lot about Sasquash. He used to go, you know, just always joke about it. And I asked him many times over the years, have you seen anything? And he went, no, no, not at all. And I said, do you believe in it? And he went, no, no, it's all a bunch of crap.

And I was like, oh, okay. But last year I was hiking with him, and we were going through the forest. And we're just talking in general, and he says, you ever seen a Sasquatch? And I sort of looked up at him like, oh, here we go again. And I went, no. And then he turned around, and he looked seriously and he went, really? And I went, no. I said, you know I haven't.

And I went, why are you doing all this again? And he went, oh, okay. You've never seen him like. And I went, no. And I said to him, you better not tell me after all these years that you've seen something. And he went, well, I don't think it was a Sasquot. So I asked him what he was on about. And what he described was, I guess, like the predator effect, you know, the cloaking.

He said he was out in the bush doing his work once. and he saw, when I asked him, is it like the predator in the movie? He'd never seen predator, so he didn't know what I was on about. But he said it was like you were looking through a figure, like a translucent figure.

And really now it's what some people would say, like a cloaking effect, like that predator effect. And I said, do you think it was an upright thing? He said, oh yeah, he said, you could see like limbs and you could see arms and it was big. So I said to him,

him, you know, what do you think it was? And he said, well, it's clearly not what they call a Sasquatch because I couldn't see, you know, I could see right through it. But he never told me that. And I said to him, why have he never told me that before? And he said, well, you know, why would I? And I said, would you think it's anything that was Sasquash? And he said, no, not at all.

He said, I don't know what that was. And then he kind of laughed. He went, maybe it was a big ghost. But he put, you know, he, he, he, He didn't sort of link it in any way. And he's the sort of chap. He teases me about the subject. So I wasn't even going to start saying to him,

look, you know, some people believe these things cloak. So I, again, I left it at that. But this area, it's a strange area, Jeremiah, because people will tell you it's the hotbed. But when you hear, you don't hear too much about it. And if you look at some of the reports, they're from quite a long while ago. And I sometimes wonder if these things are still in the area much at all. But I guess it's trying to ask, like with what you do,

it's trying to get the right individual to get them relaxed enough to tell you. But the majority of people, if I ever hear them talk about it, they rubbish the subject. They just don't think there's anything to it. You know, again, if you go to Harrison Hot Springs, it's a big tourist thing. But it's an interesting subject. This, where are we? We're 2026, not with today, sorry.

Last year, it feels weird now saying this. Last year, last summer, we had a really unusual occurrence involving my youngest lad on Vancouver Island. for one of a better word it was a cryptid but it wasn't a Sasquatch it was a marine cryptid anyway him and his buddy saw a seawater cryptid off the coast where we were stained

and I realized that something like this should be reported so I got in touch with the British Columbia Cryptozoological Society and they actually came out to interview my son and his buddy to get a description of what they

saw. I'm going slightly off topic here. But anyway, I then just got chatting to them about general and I thought, in general, and I thought great, I'll use this opportunity to talk to them about Sasquatch. And they actually took me out to

the Ruby Creek location where the Chapman's house actually was which was pretty cool because apparently it's not an easy place to get to and you can only get to it with permission because you can trying to go down a private road.

But they showed me the exact location. And I spent a day with them in that area just driving around different spots. And it was interesting talking to them. But you know, they were saying that

the sightings are probably dying down a little bit and becoming less frequent than what they were. And not as reported as often either. But for me, you know, like I'm doing with you, it's nice when you can talk to somebody that has an interest in it that doesn't rubbish it because you just can't talk to people in general, you know, about this subject. You know, I guess that you're doing, you know, what you do with the podcast and the channel, you know, you're able to do that. But in general with me, I, yeah, I just, I don't know of anyone who outside of the patients that I've met.

who have an interest in it will believe there's anything to do with it. And I still go out every weekend, but I now go out just, I clear my head and don't think about the subject. And, you know, whether I will see anything to gain, you know, it's probably unlikely that I will. But the stuff I've had to me does convince me

that, you know, this is a real thing. and those patients that I've met, they were genuine people. You know, I got a good handle on their personality, and I'm not a lie detector specialist. But when you're a physical therapist and you, every day spent conversing with people, you know, you get to figure out yourself the little body language props if they're lying and different stuff,

and all these people were very genuine. So it's been a great experience so far living here, you know, for sure. what an absolutely fascinating journey of Rob that you've you've been on I hope that you are writing stuff down um it's you keep running into to people that are having just wild encounters in this area which I mean good for you I'm glad there's someone up there with the right viewpoint of things that is able to keep track of of what's going on my goodness well just to add following on from what happened with my son and his buddy in the summer I was telling one of my co-workers that work about this

and I know him really well and I went in a room with him and shut the door because he asked how was your vacation on Vancouver Island and I said oh you know you wouldn't believe this and then he was like I said you probably think I'm making this up and he went, no, no. And he said, and we've never discussed this.

And he said, hey, Rob, you're going, what do you think about the whole Sasquatch thing? And I said, oh yeah, I said, I think there's something there. And he went, me too, me too. And he said, what do you think about, you know, the river valley, the mountains and the trails and stuff? And I said, well, you know, I'm always up there hiking. And he said, it's a weird area, isn't it?

And I said, it supposedly is. You're familiar with the missing 411, David Polides? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, so there are two or three cases in his book that have happened up in this area. So I was telling my coworker this, and then he said, did I ever tell you what happened when we were camping? And I went, no. And he went, I went camping with a buddy. And they were camping by a lake.

And this lake has these designated, I guess, platforms where you can pitch your tent. And my co-worker, his tent was on the one that was the furthest away from the lake. Agents who are realtors do more than open doors. They analyze market trends, interest rates, comps. They can tell you about flood zones, mixed use zones, and decode acronyms like HOA, APR, ML. They connect you to lawyers, contractors, even Phil, the Sewerscope guy. They negotiate, coordinate, advocate for you, close the deal with you, and hand the keys to you. They bring you home.

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Behind it was just the forest and the mountain. And he said, I'll tell you, Rob, he said, I'll never ever go back to that area again. 100% not high camping. and I said, oh, what happened? And he said in the night, something was playing with like the zip, the zip cord on his tent.

So he could hear it being toggled with and then sort of pulled down a little bit. And he said when it first happened, you know, he shot up, he pulled the zipper down, stuck his head out of the tent with a torch, there was nothing, that it's just a forest.

And he said, His buddy's platform was, I don't know, several meters away. So he said he called out to his buddy and said like, hey, you know, he's that you? And his buddy was like, no. Anyway, you know, they forgot about it. He said about 10 minutes later, same thing again, something's pulling on the zipper, pulling it down a little bit. I said, what did you do then? He said, I didn't stick my head out, Rob.

He said, I was terrified. He said, I got my torch and kind of shone it. through the tent and he said i started yelling at my buddy you know is that you and his buddy was yelling back at him quite annoyed going you stop shouting i'm trying to sleep and he said it happened two more times and he said the last time it happened he said i plucked up the courage and and got out the tent with a knife and a torch and he went it's so weird rob he went there was just nothing there and i said like do you think he was a raccoon or something like that and he went no no and he didn't want to, you know, imply Sasquatch,

but he was pretty spooked about it. And what was interesting about that area, I was telling him, I had a patient who does, he's not only a keen hiter, but he actually helps make and maintain a lot of the trails. And again, we just got talking, and then, you know, I started to prompt him. on some stuff and I told him about the rocks

and then he said oh I guess you've heard about all the stories of this region with the Sasquatch and stuff and I said yeah I have and it was really interesting and he said to me him and his wife or hiking with a couple

they know in that region and he said Rob we heard crazy screams like terrifying screams that made them turn around and head back. And again, I said to him, do you think it was Cougar or something like that?

And he was like, no, no. And he said, I'm convinced it's one of these things. And the interesting thing about him was, and this is the only time I've ever heard it mentioned by anybody, on a subsequent visit, you know, and actually, out of my own interest, I got on the subject with him again. And I said to him, you know, we were just chatting about it. And he said, have you ever heard of the little people? and I went

and I went I have actually I said not a lot I said but if you get into this subject I said somewhere down the line you hear about it he said he has indigenous friends

who have a like a cabin in the mountains somewhere and he was telling them about my experience with the rocks and he said to me they they said to him tell the physical therapist

that that's 100% of fastwatch and tell him to be careful. And I was like, oh, okay. And then they said to him, tell him as well, to stay away from the little people. And I was like, well, I 100% haven't seen any little people. And he said, well, Rob, they said, if you see any small footprints, turn around and go back, he went, don't go any further. And that's all he ever said about it, because he said, that's all they ever said about it.

But that was the only time that I've heard that mentioned. But what was interesting, that going back years before that, the female ARCMP, I remember she said to me, if you're ever out in the forest or you're hiking and you hear your name being called or you hear a baby crying or anything like that, turn around and go back. And that's all they said. They went, don't try and explore it. Just turn around.

go back immediately to back home again. So there's some fascinating things around for sure. And I just wonder how many people are holding something in and just not telling you, you know, what it's all about. A lot, Rob. I would say it's a lot. Half the people I talk to end up not going on the show because they're scared to lose their job or what people will say.

So it is a lot, my friend. you have experienced some incredible things. And I just want to... So the video you sent me... I don't agree with the person that said that to you. Not at all. Not a percent. It's just...

Is it okay if I put that video in the YouTube? Oh, of course you can. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, the one thing I was just going to add about the video, that bent over branch and these were bloody thick branches right and tall trees right that branch is perfectly

sitting in the centre of that X and I had a little look and nearby what you can't see in the video I'm not sure if you can hear it there was a very small you couldn't even call it a creek but like a runoff from further up the mountain

and that middle branch the tip of it, so to speak, was wedged under the bank. It, you know, it wasn't just lying down on the forest floor. It was wedged underneath the bank of this little creek. And I just thought it looked too distinctive. For me, anyway, you know, like, number one, you got that perfect X, and then number two, you somehow got another, well, it wasn't even a branch. it was a tree that's been bent right the way over and is sitting on that.

I mean, you know, this lady that told me, she said, look, it's snowfall. Okay, look, I'm, I'm, she's probably seen way more than me. But I still think it looked too, and it was so out of the ordinary of everything else around it. You know, it was strange, you know. I'm with you I just kind of thought that's deliberate I just don't think that's accidental I don't think it's the wind I don't think it's just night

it's absolutely deliberate I mean I would say there's nothing to do with snow load for that that's not snow load 100% in my opinion anyways also your account of talking to the gentleman which we're not going to talk about that gentleman, but I get it.

But it's an interesting journey you went through in that, which is, you know, really you found the, in quotation, wise old man on the mountain who allegedly has all the answers. But, and it almost made you walk away. But you came to the realization that, hey, I need to figure this out for myself. and I have experienced things. And just because some other guys says it's not accurate, you know, I don't think that should push people away.

But unfortunately, it does. I mean, your story is not the first one that I've heard like that. But people need to realize, hey, they're experiencing something out there and they need to figure it out for themselves and not rely on the people that say they're experts because there's no experts in this field. is what it comes down to. Well, and that was the thing that annoyed me about this individual on the phone.

He was talking like an expert, but then he was saying there are no experts. And I wanted to go, well, you've written, I think it's three books on it, and I've seen you on different YouTube documentaries, and you talk like you're an expert, and you rubbish anything else that doesn't follow your paradox. behind, so to speak. And then he was almost, whatever I said,

I almost, he got to the point in the phone conversation where I just felt like coming out with things like, oh, what about Woodnock? What about Rockclots? What about glowing lights? What about this? Everything was like, no, no, no, no, there's no evidence, there's no evidence.

And the thing that's done it for me, I just flat out said to him, can I ask, you believe in this? And he hesitated. It wasn't like a, oh, 100,000. percent. Right, exactly. He hesitated.

Yep. And then I just, you know, in the end, I was almost just playing with him, you know, just because I thought, what a pointless time it was for me to do it. And then I think the thing that got me, and I argued with this in, he said, I firmly believe the majority of them are a case of misidentification, and it's a bear. And I said, you think it's a bear. walking around on two legs and he went yeah and i went have you ever seen a bear walk on two legs i went they walk like a toddler in in a diaper that they've just had you know that they've just filled i went

there's nothing graceful about bears when they walk on two legs and you know thinking back to the thing that this irishman said to me about this thing that went up the mountain side he said he went up it like an athlete you know on two legs bears don't go up a mountain on two legs but So I argued with him and I said That was the one thing I said I completely disagree I said people know what a bear looks like And I said if you look at a build of a bear on two legs They have really narrow shoulders

They kind of widen out of the hips They have a broad pelvis You know that the shoulders are narrow And they have distinctive ears And I said in most cases these things don't And they have massive shoulders You know like plain hanger shoulders So I, yeah, I did go off it for a while, but then I came back around, you know, to it again,

and I stay very open-minded and I'm just convinced just from particularly the people I've spoken to, you know, just when you see it in their eyes, you see it in their manner, you're like, yeah, there's no other explanation for it, no other explanation at all. Rob, what a fascinating conversation. I mean, my goodness, I really didn't know a lot about what we were going to be talking about. And, I mean, you have really, really been able to talk to a lot of people in this area. I hope that continues for you. It sounds like people are starting to, I don't know, they're just kind of drawn to you for some reason, which is really interesting to share their account.

but is this something where you hope to experience something again in the future? Or how do you feel regarding that? I'd love to get a visual. Agents who are realtorers do more than open doors. They analyze market trends, interest rates, comps. They can tell you about flood zones, mixed use zones, and decode acronyms like HOA, APR, MLS. They connect you to lawyers, contractors.

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even if it's just a second or two where I can just go, right, that's it, yeah, I'm good with that. You know, I can, you know, happily just be very content knowing I'm not 90% now I'm 100% convinced that you know, there's something there.

Yeah, I would love to love to see one. I really would. When I hear of people like this Irishman, I listen to his account. He's the one I always remember and I'm like that must have just been amazing. But could be terrifying as well. But, you know, I absolutely would love to see one. Yeah.

But I just don't think I ever will. I don't think I ever will. I'm right there with you. I'm hoping that, you know, hopefully 2026 is the year that I'm able to get a visual as well. But, man, Rob, I was just looking and reminding myself, you first reached out in November of 24 and I am just so thankful that we're actually able to have this conversation. Sometimes it takes a while to have them, but so thankful that you were able to come on. And you had also said that if people want to reach out to you to talk about Bigfoot in this area, they're able to do so, right?

Yeah, yeah, I'm more than happy. Yeah, I'm more than happy too. fantastic. I am going to put that contact info then in the description for this episode so people can reach out if they would like to talk to Rob about any encounters they've had in the area. And of course, people are always more than welcome to reach out to myself if they have things to report Bigfoot sightings or encounters in their area. a report they can reach out to me as bigfoot society gmail.com but uh rob thank you so much for coming on the show and i'm i'm sure that uh you'll continue to to run into encounters just living in this area and uh we'll definitely have to keep in touch yeah absolutely it's like i said i mean i didn't have a visual but i think i've something that strongly suggests we were close to one of these things. So, yeah, I appreciate you, you know, feeling it was okay to me just to come on and talk to you about it. Have you ever heard all the accounts of Bigfoot activity around Oak Ridge, Oregon,

and you think to yourself, man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what? This year, you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summerfest is coming up July 10th through the 11th, 2026. It's going to be even better than the previous years. Reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild. I'll probably, I'll say this.

There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else because, let's just say sometimes it's, well, you just got to be there. We'll leave it that. about looking for Bigfoot in the Oak Ridge Woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year, you can not only go to the festival, but you can also sign up for a trek deep in the wild forest outside of Oak Ridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot spots to look for Bigfoot. but there's only eight spots to sign up for this.

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it is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch, or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a national park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI, a federal agency, or working intelligence, and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense,

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