Bigfoot Society - Terrified in Elderberry Flats — Bigfoot Screams in the Night | Oregon

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

What happens when a kid from Ashland, Oregon, stumbles across a trail of fresh, giant footprints in the snow — complete with visible toes — deep in the logging roads of Elderberry Flats? In this intense and revealing episode, we sit down with David Boozer, creator of PacWest Bigfoot and Where Bigfoot Roams, as he recounts his own chilling encounters from southern Oregon. From blood-curdling screams near Hyatt Lake to a midnight tent-shaking creek crossing at Elderberry Flat, these stories aren't secondhand — they're personal, vivid, and terrifying. You’ll hear how a childhood curiosity turned into a lifelong pursuit, why Southern Oregon might be one of the wildest Bigfoot hotspots in America, and how one family’s brush with the unexplained still echoes through the woods. If you’ve ever wondered what it’s like to stare at 100 yards of unbroken Bigfoot tracks — this is your episode.Resources: Pacwest Bigfoot channel - https://www.youtube.com/@PacWestBigfootWhere Bigfoot Roams channel - https://www.youtube.com/@wherebigfootroams🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072📧 Business Inquiries:[e-mail]

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You're listening to Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first-hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible, from backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highway. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society, I've got the privilege of talking to Mr. David Boozer today.

You may recognize David from the show, Pac-West Bigfoot, which is one of the ones I enjoyed watching back. in the day, YouTube channel there. Spoiler alert, it's back. It's called Where Bigfoot Roams. And we'll probably get into that in a little bit, but I've been wanting to talk to David for a while, and it was finally able to happen. Welcome to the show, David.

How are you doing today? I'm good, man. Doing really good. Awesome. So you are actually out there in the Pacific Northwest, correct? Yes, I was actually born in Florida, the Pennsylvania, Naval Base.

Parents moved back to LA and then moved up here and followed my post at the grandparents. My grandfather's the loggers for quite some time. But this is all I've ever known is Southern Oregon. Oh, that's awesome. What age did you get out there to Southern Oregon roundabouts? Oh, I think I was about four or five. I was about 1976, I think. When we moved here, 77.

Oh, man. Man. Perfect time to get out there too. Wow, that's really cool. So did you run into any Bigfoot stuff right off the bat, or do you remember anything from that time of your life? Oh, what's this whole Bigfoot thing out here? Actually, I did. I think I was probably in the fourth grade. I was down in the library, and I had noticed some books there on Bigfoot. And they were those old fake novels, except there were a couple of little skinny ones. And I believe they're the ones from John Green. And I started, gosh, I can't remember the name of 11. I'd like to buy them today, but everybody on eBay is trying to sell them for 150 bucks. And I'm like, oh, that's like 150 bucks.

But yeah, I started reading that then. And I remember mentioning it a little bit, I believe, to my mom. And she was skeptical at first. but when I start telling me about the younger years in our experiences, then I think she did become a believer. She's got to be my number one thing out here. Yeah, pretty young when I was introduced to it, and I found it in a school library.

That's awesome. I wonder if it was Apes Among Us or if it was the skinnier books. That's it. It was Apes Among Us. It was eight Apes Among Us, and then it was the two. I still have actually two of those John Green books, those big, tall, skinny things. And somebody had sent them to me in nearly perfect condition.

Yeah. And, you know, I still read to them here and there just because I like to. If listeners haven't heard of those books, especially Apes Among Us, by John Green, he was one of the original guys that was going out there and investigating and collecting stories and track that book down, if it can. It is a great book. Yeah. Those are must-hats for any Big Footers Library.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So you're in Southern Oregon and you're introduced to the subject. Thankfully, your school had the right books. And then after that, do you start noticing stories growing up? Or did you actually have some things happen when you guys maybe were on a camping trip or anything like that? Yeah. As a matter of fact, I've had two.

And then one came to memory actually from my cousin when we were up around the same place about a year later, which I'll get into. Actually, I'd be honest, I've never told this one to anybody until now because he reminded me of it. And then I totally remembered it. But yeah, I heard some stories, fifth, sixth, seventh grade. I lived in a small town of Ashland, Oregon. It's pretty popular towns, the Shakespeare Festival and everything. But eventually my dad wanted to move to Rogue River because he was going to be working at a mill out there. And so we moved to this little town of Rogue River, and we actually lived about five miles out of town, I think heading east, in between Roe River and a little town, I guess, but it's a town, I guess, but it's a place called Weimer.

And so we moved there when I was about to start the eighth grade. and this is that was probably I would say the thing that threw me over the edge but before that and I would say it was a couple years before that to be honest with you I would we were probably the poorest kid in town in Ashland it's an expensive place to live so during the summer sometimes we would go up to Hyatt Lake and we camp there during the summer and my dad would just drive back in the work because it was just cheap to camp pretty much for a couple months. One night, I think I was 10 years old, somewhere around there. And it was the middle of the night. It was late. And all of a sudden, I didn't hear it at first because I was sleeping in the tent with my sister

and my little baby brother. But eventually it woke me up. My mom said from the direction, I believe, of Little Hyatt and a lake that's just a couple miles north of that, just a beautiful, it's like an enormous pond in the middle of a meadow surrounded by nothing but mountains. It's beautiful.

But she said from that direction came these awful screams. They were loud. You could hear them clearly. And when they trailed off, they sounded different. different from the fox or the coyote southern Oregon is full of animals in the woods.

But it just sounded different and it kept coming and it kept coming. And it just didn't stop for a few minutes or more. I don't remember how long it lasted. She said it lasted for a little while, a few minutes or so. But it was just this hollery, this, I just, when it trails off and it sounded, as it trailed off, it got deep and hollow. And she was a little freaked out because my dad was working graveyard. So it was just her.

But of course, we had other campers around us and stuff like that. But these strangers get coming. And then eventually I woke up and I heard the screaming. And I don't remember if I got scared or anything like that. My mom says I got pretty nervous. But the next morning, after all of this, My mom's out there. She's walking over to the, I think, to the, they have bathrooms and showers there back in the day.

And then we were going to go to the lodge. There was some of the campers that she were walking past, and I remember them saying, did you hear that last night? And she talked to them for a few minutes. And I don't recall if she had mentioned Bigfoot or anything like that. But later on, years later, she's, I don't know what that was. It was extremely loud. It was different than anything she's ever heard.

And she's, even today, she's great grandma. And she still goes off in the woods by herself. She'll go camping. And she says she's never heard anything like that since ever. And so for me, that was that point where I start looking through more books and hearing stories as I grew older. And back to the eighth grade, when we were living in Rogue River, we decided, I think it was the second Christmas there, my second year was right. Now, it was the first Christmas. I had started school at the middle school in Rhode River.

And that Christmas, we were going to go cut down our own Christmas tree. Back then, you didn't really buy a lot of trees at the store, and you actually went and cut your tree because it's just a couple bucks or whatever for a tag. we decided to take this huge long loop all the way out past limer up into the mountains out towards a place called elderberry flats and there's a campground there today this place has logging roads and there's mountains in the background but there's rolling hills everywhere full of pine trees eventually we came to a turnoff and we turned off and it was like this little dirt bridge with some sort of Florida's like big huge steel tunnel things and water runs through. We drive over that and we end up in this big, huge roundabout area, where the logging road would continue up around the mountain.

And that roundabout area was basically just hillside and cliff. And it was enough for trucks to turn around in there and park and whatever that we're pulling logs down or heading up to get loaded with logs. I don't know if it was being used back then. It didn't, I don't remember it looking like it has been used for a while because at that point in time, there was a big hissy fit about spotted owls that was crazy. And so it slowed down the industry. And my dad was always in and out of jobs by that point in the middle.

But we decided, my mom and I decided to walk up the bend and the road up the mountainside. the logging road, my dad and my sister, my little brother, decided to go up into the slider area on the side of the turnabout. And so me and my mom were walking up there and there was snow the night before, or at least early that morning, because it was fresh. There was nothing out there. It was just, there was snow. It wasn't a lot, but it was deep enough.

I'm guessing at least five or six inches. But off the side of the road, you'd sink to probably your lower calf. So anyways, we're walking up that way, and I'm looking for Christmas trees, of course. And my mom is looking over to the right of the road, which has an open area that runs down towards that little creek. And this is just nothing but wall of pine trees. And most of them, they didn't look too old. They were tall, of course, but they weren't, they didn't look too old. she's looking over there for some trees.

And the next thing you know, I just noticed her and she's looking down. And she's looking intently. She's looking, she was curious about something. And all of a sudden, she's like, hey, Dave, come here, care, care. I'm like, okay, maybe she found a tree. She pulls me over there and she starts walking off into the deeper snow. And I look down and I notice what she's looking at. There's a set of tracks, something.

It comes out of the woods, whatever it was. And the tracks go to the, basically to the edge of the road as we look. And after we notice these things and start following them, they lead all the way down the side of the road, back down towards the turnabout to the left-hand side, down to the creek, and then they shoot straight. back up into that wall of trees. But as we're looking at them, in the deeper snow,

my mom was like, that can't be bear because, yeah, a bear can create some sort of like a single print when they're walking the way they do. But this had, there was no way. This would buy people. And so we get to the logging road following the tracks. And all of a sudden, this is at the point where you can, see toes like toes now i'm young and i put my foot in one of them and i'm not a very tall guy at all i was short back then but even my mom put her foot by one and these things were Shaquille o'neal

size very huge then i went from i tried to make that stride and i literally at that age had to do the splitz just to touch the heel with my toe of my tip of my shoe to that other track. And I was like, this is crazy. And my mom is just, she's just in wonderment. She's in the world. And so we keep following down, and then we get down to the creek, and then we look at the tracks heading back into the woods. And by this point, my mom, I think in her head is starting to figure out that this is a monster in the woods.

She looks down at the tracks. She looks at the woods. She looks at the tracks. She looks at the woods. And the next thing you know, she runs off yelling from my dad. And leaving me behind. I'm like, hey, mom, foster in the woods. What are you doing?

That's what I'm thinking of my head. So I trailed off running out following her. And my dad comes over and my dad's, eh. He was a skeptic at that stuff. He wasn't really much into it. He was a pretty straightforward guy. But I'm telling you, there were toes, there was heel, and these things literally had to be, this trail of footprints must have been between 75 and 100 yards in length that they traveled. And back then, we never thought about trying to get some plaster all of a sudden and come back and get them.

And we know nobody was up that road. And the road was just dead. Like nobody's been up it for a while. And that was fresh snow from basically that morning. It was unreal. And then it wasn't too long now that I talked to my cousin and I talked in a long time. And this goes back to the Hyatt Lake incident. He said it was a year later like the following summer.

Me and him are basically the same age for a month. I grew up with him. He was more like an older brother. And he was a cousin. We remained together and all this other stuff for years. He told me, and I remember this now, we pretty much had free reign. We could wander off at 12 and 13 years old and they'll make a camp somewhere around the lake. As long as we let my mom know or my dad know and tell them exactly the area we would be in.

and he said that, and I remember we were walking one late afternoon. It might have been almost dusk. And we were walking over the dam and then we hit the trail that it goes around the lake, the path. And we decided to go halfway around the lake. And we must have been at this point where people who have fished there know that there's these trees that would pop out of the lake. these old dead trees. We were directly across from those, but we were on the,

I believe, it would be the, I guess, the south, southeast part of the lake, south part of the lake. We were directly from those, kind of up a little hillside, but we could still see the lake perfectly from where we were at. And, but when we were walking there,

we heard, we heard football, footsteps. And it was, you could hear the crunching here and there.

And sometimes it would move a little faster, sometimes a little slower. We figured that somebody was up on the

trail above us because there was another trail way up there. But the thing is that it's hard grand, it's a trail.

This was crunching through the brush, through the thick of trees. And by that point, it was,

getting, it was dark enough to where you really can't see. And you've been here to the Pacific Northwest. You know what it's like. I had a friend that just came out here from Florida, him and his wife traveling through. And I said, Gary, to look into the woods off the side of the highway. And he's, man, you can't see 10 yards. It was like I told you.

It's beautiful and mysterious and crazy. We couldn't see anything. But the football, and he remembers it. It sounded like just a big person, like a person that was just big and crunching, you're making, stepping through whatever. And then I remembered that. We didn't get freaked out because we thought it was just a person, but looking back on it now with the screens the summer before and that now, I'm thinking, who knows?

Maybe it just shattered us for a while. do know that eventually it just went away and we can't for the night. Agents who are realtors do more than open doors. They analyze market trends, interest rates, comps. They can tell you about flood zones, mixed use zones, and decode acronyms like HOA, APR, MLS. They connect you to lawyers, contractors, even Phil, the Seward scope guy. They negotiate, coordinate, advocate for you, close the deal with you, and hand the keys to you. They bring you home. Real Tours are members of the National Association of Realtors, right by you. Let's go, girls.

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I'll tell you that. Keep an eye out. Look for tracks, listen to things, because you never know. That place is thick forest. Beautiful, but thick. and those are the things that we had experienced. It led me into Bigfoot. That really, that and finding those tracks sent me over the edge.

Okay. Totally gotcha. So for context, for listeners a little bit, so that Elder Berry Flats area, it is way out there. Like, it's over 30 miles from Rogue River, and it's 30 miles east in the woods, roundabouts from Wolf Creek, which is another, that area,

is pretty wild for other reasons. But also, what you've... It is. Yeah. You've got the Oregon Vortex by Weimer-ish a little bit. It's down around Gold Hill. It's up Sardine Creek.

And if you could drive even further back up in there, eventually you'd run into that elderberry flats area. And, oh, yeah, that's right. I almost forgot. One more thing. So I was camping. I forgot about this. And I've actually remembered recently...

I told this one to a good friend of mine, William Jebney, and I'm sure you've heard of him. Oh, yeah, yeah. So I remember I was camping with a friend of mine and his wife and their little kid. I forgot about this. I was thinking about it this morning, and I almost spaced it. We were at Eldabar Slats, and this was probably 20 years later. We were camping, and maybe not 20 years, but we were camping there at Eldonbury Flats. We decided to try some gold painting for the fun of it because we were just crazy nuts more.

We were there, and there's this, the creek there is rocky. There's lots of river rock all around, Delivery Creek there. There's a mountain that in front of us. It's not a mountain, but it's tall, and you couldn't walk up it because it's just so steep, and it's full of brush, trees, you name it. And we're camping there for the night. And they've got this little partition in their tank.

They have little partitions, so him and his wife and the little one are sleeping. the other side of the partition. I'm on this side. And it was probably, man, it was the wee hours of the night, two o'clock in the morning, something like that. And all of a sudden, her little three-year-old, or two-two-year-old, three-year-old just let out this scream, a scream.

And we're all sitting up all of a sudden. And as we sat up, we heard something from behind the tent, and it was heavy-footed. and it went thud-splash thud. That creek where we were at was at least, I'm guessing, 12 feet, maybe a little more. Whatever it was hit that creek and was on the other side in a stride. And then all of a sudden we hear this, just this thing moving up that hill in front of us, just crashing through it.

My buddy grabs his gun. he popped out of that tent I pop out after him with a flashlight and that noise stopped instantly we were flashing that light up there looking around for anything we were looking around the tent a little bit you can't see any footprints or anything like that

because it's not sandy there it is river rock the only bit of sand that we had was where our tent was because we pulled the rocks out earlier as many as we could and after a few minutes We were like, what the heck was that? Because it had, it was thud, splash, thud.

This was bipedal. So we all get back in the Toyota Fourrunner. And that's where we slept the rest of the night until we got in the morning. We packed everything up and left. And that was years later, decade and a half, whatever. And it's basically about, I would estimate about two to three miles from where me and my mom found the tracks years earlier. So it was unbelievable. I told my body, I was like, dude, that was big foot.

That was big foot. What else? What else? Yeah. Thub, splash, flat, and then just something just crashing and running up the side of that hill. In the middle of the night, you can't see anything out there. Wow. It's pitch black.

And you're so far away from civilization. People can actually, they can drive up there, but it's like, middle of the night, dude, that's crazy. I've heard so many weird things from southern Oregon, and I've never visited it yet. I have, I'd spend a lot of time in the Oak Ridge area, and I visited up to Esticada and Colton this last year. But I've never been to Southern Oregon, and it just feels, even through the stories, that there, is there just like a really weird vibe down there? Just some really strange stuff happens? I would say that if there's a couple places. that I think that if you ever come back, you should visit.

Okay. Now, these places are very eerie. There's a lot, I get a lot of anecdotal stories and things from people from these places. It's one of them, like, I think it's the Twin Lakes area up off the North Humqua. And I actually, I can, if there was some, these trees, not in my way out of my house, I could see the South Elkla River. but up the north umpqua up around the twin lakes area there are yeah there are people with some strange stories about creepy things the other place if you're looking and you want to do some research

i highly suggest you always go with somebody one or two other people make sure that you're armed but i'm sure you've heard this one too it's up around towards crater lake and there's what is that place called they have cabins and everything Union Creek Union Creek and I'm telling you right now the Union Creek and that little corridor up there between that and there's a turnoff that goes up to Crater Lake there are many little side little forest roads you can go down and I've camped out there before and I'll tell you what there's been some moments where it's like the hair on the back ear and neck raises and you're just like, what in the heck is around?

Cougar, bear, wolf. People always say there's no wolves in southern Oregon. As a matter of fact, we have about 350 just up around a pest in the Umpqua National Forest. I mean, in southern Oregon area, just running around. That place, I have heard

more stories from there than I think anywhere else in southern Oregon. But there's plenty in Oregon. Okay, so that's really interesting. because I just talked to a hunter and this is episode 883 that just came out

a few days ago and it was all about Union Creek in Prospect and I was blown away out. Oh yeah. It was nuts the stuff he was telling me. Prospect is my dad eventually after the mills started shutting down he started a carpet cleaning business and we used to actually go out to Prospect here and there

we had a few regular customers and we drive all the way out there for them and that town is so funny because they were like, I'm like, why do you have a rifle or a handgun by the door? And they're like, Mount Lyme, they come right through the yard constantly. And it's just, it is, it's in the, it's a little town in the middle of nowhere. And you start getting out in that area between prospect and Union Creek and up towards Crater Lake. I'm telling you that place is wild. absolutely can you think of any maybe reports or stories that you were given over the years from that area

i remember i had one of my best ones i had heard is on pacific but i have to go back and listen to it myself it's been a long time but i remember there was one up there and they were i believe staying at the cabins and it was a very harassing moment for them so i don't remember the details So it's been a while. I'm 54 now. I'm starting to get foggy memories. Oh, I get it, man. I'm starting to get there.

There has been a lot of anecdotes. I had a, I believe there was somebody once that had told me she was up there and she was getting mushrooms. She was doing morale mushroom. And she said that she was being, something was circling her constantly. And she said it was bipedal. It was walking. And she figured it might have been a forest person, but she was like, the football was very heavy. And she swears she heard some sort of deep a grunt or something.

And it didn't sound human. And it didn't sound like bear because she's been pretty close to bear before. Black bear up there. And that one was another one that I thought was pretty interesting. And she was actually up off of Union Creek kind of flows down to there. And if you get to Crater Lake and you pull off one of these forest roads, it was a place where I'd camped before. And I like to fly fish a little bit in that creek because it's kind of wide there and it's deep. And there's a big meta open area that leads into just mountains.

So it was really pretty. But she was up there doing some morale. And that was her experience. Yeah, she didn't last long. She got back in her vehicle and left the area. Yeah, that lines up with what. What that individual told me. I've had two different individuals tell me that really this area can get really aggressive.

And the hunter specifically told me that it's like west of the Rogue River or 230. It can get really wild from the reports he's heard from other hunters, which is very interesting. Yeah, I think anywhere that's of the Union Creek side of Crater Lake and in between, you know, Union Creek and Crater Lake. I think more people should spend more time there and doing research just because there's just too many stories. Too many. Exactly.

And I haven't heard it come up on, I listen to a few other shows and I haven't heard it really come up. I know there's some people checking out the Diamond Lake area, but this whole Union Creek prospect area, it's just, man, at the festival in Oak Ridge, people were talking about Klamath Falls. they were like sightings in Klamath all over the place. But yeah, this Union Creek prospect, it wasn't really coming up.

So it's, I think, yeah, people need to check it out. I like Diamond Lake and Lamolo Lake up there in between. I've had people give me, I've actually got some, I think, two or three. Most of my stuff will talk about it in a bit here, but it's anecdotal stuff. It's just people tell me some basic paragraph or two of what they experienced. I've got two or three, I think that I'm going to be working on. for some short stories here in the next month, I think it is. It comes from that area.

And we camp up there a lot as a family. We either go to the coast or we go up towards Lomolo Lake. So, yeah, which is just skipping a jump from Diamond Lake. That's fantastic. In your reports or accounts that you've taken from over the years, do you ever get ones that are, they're just weird? And I've heard multiple ones from out there where It sounds like there's stuff like portals involved.

Do you ever get anything like that? Yeah, this kind of dives into something that, I guess we can head into that now. A lot of people have asked me of what you'll ask me, what do I think Bigfoot is? I do not believe that you need a degree to be knowledgeable or understand any topic, anything. I don't care if it's brain surgery. I don't care if it's Bigfoot. I don't care if it's just real pipe fitting. I don't care.

I have done a lot of reading over the years. I love science. And not just from a spiritual standpoint in seeing the life of my father change. My dad was a very bad man for a long time. And he became a very good man. But I did a lot of reading. I like science. and it led me to one basic conclusion that can't be beat.

I am a creationist at the heart. That's just it. You can't have something for nothing. I just find proof it. So I started thinking about the whole Bigfoot thing. Where does that sit in? And I hear the stories to help portals and demons. I go to church, man.

and I'm a believer in the good Lord, and I'll tell you this right now. There's Christians out here. I get them both. Even at church, I'll tell you this. I've had people come to me and say, man, I went El Coney, and I've heard some crazy stuff out there.

He's all, they are just like, I've heard some crazy stuff. And then I get to folks, the person here or there, just they want to have nothing to do with it. So then it's like the hordes of devil are faking people out and whatever. For me, it is real.

For me, it is, I believe, the whole hominid thing, human bigfoot thing. No, that's absolutely impossible. I know that's hard to say and hard to take for some people, but the DNA just doesn't work out. It doesn't. I have the same character. I share characteristics with a rap. But that's because we all living under the same biosphere. We're going to share certain things with almost everything.

That's just how we were created. We live in this biosphere, so we share things. I believe that this thing did come here from the land bridge that was here for a very long time until the flood, and then it receded. The land bridge was made, and I think that they came here, that gigantic, pithicus, if you will, that it moved here just like Native Americans. Everybody's older. They're the original people here. Actually, they moved over here too. They migrated.

And I think that Gigbat, Bigfoot, had migrated as well. And I think it's not just the Pacific Northwest. I think it's pretty much all over the country and all over the world. And I think they migrated. But that's what I believe. Do I believe in portals and things like that? Personally, Jeremiah, I do not. I don't.

I've never, I've heard the stories. I've heard those things. It's just for me, to be honest, it just, there are things out here that people are like, man, I want to believe, I want to believe, but I hear all these crazy things. And I get it.

I totally understand. I really do. And I'm not going to sit there and berate somebody or argue with them about portals or anything like that. I'm just saying, I don't believe that.

I don't. I believe this thing is a well-adapted ape that has been around here longer than any. than this country has, that's for sure. Yeah, I think it's been around for a long time. So that's very interesting. And, okay, so I am right there with you,

with pretty much your background that you just shared. Like, I am also a Christian. The way that I just want to clarify few things, so you are saying that you're also like a creationist when it comes to religion as well. And you can't have something from nothing. Right. Absolutely impossible.

And I believe that, yeah, when they two by two went on the arc, two of these things went on the ark. I believe they were there. I believe that these things populated the earth. I believe they migrated throughout the world. And I believe that they like, that they adapt, adapted to particular geographical areas, thick woods, heavy woods. People talk about it in the Midwest. And I'm thinking to myself, I don't remember there being lots of woods. the Midwest, but then all of a sudden I start watching things, one of my favorite channels,

small town monsters. Right. And I'm looking at these, like, huge places where it's just sick trees and creeks and plenty of vegetation. And I'm like, not to mention there's fields of corn and whatever they can eat. And I'm thinking, you know what? I'm wrong. I think they can be there too.

So you're holding more to the gigantic epithicus theory? It sounds like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I know that so far the majority of people that I've talked to hold to about as well, it's an animal, but the thing is highly intelligent and it is well adapted. What I hear is, yeah, a lot of people, and there's going to be so much discussion in this one, in the comments are going to get wild. It's a bit nice, guys.

But a lot of people I talk to are saying physical creature that can do things that science cannot explain currently. That's what I hear a lot. Yeah, but the thing is about science, people are always, sometimes I think even me, I love science, I think sometimes we put a little too much in, we put our face into it a little bit too much, but somebody tells me we decided to have a discussion about portals and bigfoot going, phasing in and out of this, whatever, I don't know, reality to another one. I'll have that discussion all day long. I don't mind it. I'm not going to

be raped anybody for what they believe. That's what they believe. That's what they've experienced and far be it from me. But I love to have the discussion and I think that's great. I think the world needs a little bit of that right now. Sure. And a little bit more discussing. Absolutely. You know, in fighting and arguing

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of the actual research done out here into this subject. You've got some great people out here from Cliff Berkman to, I've run into, as a matter of fact, I've got pictures of my kids with Bob Gimlin. And I'm telling you the research, William Jenning and Small Town Monsters, these guys out here doing real research, I think sometimes that the wildness kind of distracts or detracts from what people who don't, you aren't really, you're sitting on the fence or maybe just learning about it.

I think it detracts from that. I think it throws people in the, and over the edge of, this is too much. This is too crazy. That's no. And that's why I like the pure research, the real research into this.

And when I see people like Cliff Baraklan and all those guys doing pure research out in the woods, I watch, I'll gobble that up on YouTube and podcasts. I'll eat it up all day long. Because it's just real. It's real people doing real research. and into something that's real. Far as I'm concerned.

So I get it. I totally do. So you hear things like a big foot can move in front of something and totally like camouflage or disappear into that tree or that bush. But then if you hear that an octopus can do the same thing, then that doesn't sound as crazy, right? So it's like why? You have to look at it like this.

Did the octopus actually disappear? A camouflage, right? A camouflage. Yeah. Yes. So can a bigfoot camouflage? Can a big foot blend into its environment? I believe so.

I believe, especially when people tell me, man, I saw this stump that was like eight feet tall, crazy looking. And then all of a sudden it moved. you think it's a stump because it's so still it's camouflaged into it's got similar colors to the trees and the bark

and the foliage around it sure it's like trying to find a U.S. Marine sniper it's just you're probably not going to find him until it's too late you're not going to

because it didn't really disappear it just camouflaged so that makes it real it is going back to something a few minutes ago it is fun to to imagine maybe there were two big foot on the ark that would be weird i don't know i don't know i wasn't there exactly all i know is the evidence that i have read about yeah but the interesting thing is that when i talk to a lot of people that have religious backgrounds or they bring up the bible or christianity most of them when they talk about Bigfoot will talk about Bigfoot is a Nephilim bad evil Genesis 6 and so it's interesting to hear you not bring that up too which is cool you kind of have a different view. Yeah and had people actually bring that up to me and I already shot that down because if you actually look up the original text in Hebrew and stuff talking about Nephilim then you'll understand that's not even compatible whatsoever not even close. No. No.

that is an impossibility. And the Nephilim were not, they weren't some sort of, they weren't an ape. It wasn't an animal. It wasn't anything like that. Nephilim was basically a half breed. It was basically just,

there were giants back then. And there were giant people. When David took that slingshot, he took more than one stone Why? Because he was afraid that Goliath's brothers were going to come after him. There was more than one Goliath. He had family. And that's why he took more stones. And people talk about Nethel and stuff like that. But that has everything to do with angiology, demonology, makes free of fallen angels. That has nothing to do with the actual

physical, a lot to do with the physical world here and animals that God created. This is an animal and it's just highly intelligent and well adapted. That's, you know what? Some people are like, that's too simple of an answer. It's like God said, I use the simple thing to confound the lies. He said that directly. Sometimes things are just that simple. And that's a wonderful thing about science is because we study things and we find out that the same Simple answer, it's usually explained by Alkins Razor. Simple answer tends to be the correct one. It's really interesting.

Listeners are like, what in the world is going on right now? None of this was planned, guys. We're just chatting. It's actually a really cool conversation. Yeah. And to me, everything that I usually most of the anecdotal stuff and the little reports that I get from people and little stories, this thing has nothing but physical traits.

most of the time. There's a few, there's a couple here and there that get a little offbeat. And I scratched my head a little bit and I try to reason that in my head. But it's just for the most part, like you, most of the encounters that we hear, it's just a physical creature. I'll take it at that for now. Do you ever get the reports where people are like, I don't know, for some reason, these are always really fun where it's like what I saw it looked exactly like a big orangutan. Have you ever gotten any of those? Yeah, yeah. I've had cinnamon color, orange orangutan, even orangutan face.

If orangutase is a word, I've actually had quite a few over the years over the last decade of people, especially that kind of cinnamon orangey color in like a burnt cinnamon color. I've had those. That orangutan looking long arms, a little bit of a belly, big chested, but tall, but walked more when it was erect,

it walked. But had that bend at the knee and that real swift, ghostly like the walk it has, that gate. Yeah, I've heard of people explain spatial features

and the look, resemblance of an orangutane. Yeah. It's just, It's very weird stuff. I hear a lot of that from Prince of Wales Island in southeast Alaska. Is there a report that comes to mind, let's say if, you know, you were to only take one report from your years of listening to people and taking accounts? Is there one that really sticks out to your mind that's, wow, that one, if I could only live with that one, that would be the one.

It would be the goat, man. It was one of my earlier ones when I was on Pack West Bigfoot. And I actually met the goat man. Sometimes when I was skateboarding through National Media, the McDonald's over there drinking water because they didn't have a lot of money or anything. And sometimes he did some money. He'd be selling some stuff that he would make, beat his stuff and whatever. He was, it was him and his girlfriend that lived up towards a Colstein Valley,

but he would walk into town from time to time. And we'd stop by and hang out with Goatman and stuff like that. then he told me this crazy tale. And I tried to write it out the best I could as a short story writer. And I remember the girlfriend was sick or his wife was sick. And it's because all the way into town for medication and going back, he is just massively harassed by a big friend. And it was the craziest story I'd ever heard.

Now, I came from the goat man. And if you knew this guy, you'd be like, but I'll tell you what. It was fascinating. He had all of our attention. We weren't even thinking skateboarding at the time, and trust me, I was a skateboarder. And we just sat there for, gosh, you must have done an hour, just intently listening to the goat man tell us this story.

And it's still on their own packless big foot. So it's, it was intense and it was crazy. There wasn't any of the spiritual side of it or anything. It was just straight up animal that was just harassing it. and I was like, wow, that's crazy. So, yeah, that was probably my favorite old hippie guy. He was just, he was funny, crazy, but man, what a story. That's awesome.

I love being able to document stories like that so that they're not lost to time, which is, I think, is extremely important. John Green used to do as we were talking about him earlier. I'd love to talk about this new channel that you have for a minute because you have, so Pac-West Bigfoot, you still have as a channel, but you've started a new channel, correct? Yes. I'll be doing a little video on why has it changed, but briefly, it first it came down to, to some personal reasons. I got busy. Things also changed in 2020 with algorithms. I used to be an SEO, internet marketer for businesses and people.

and stuff like that for a lot. But because Google changed some algorithms in there in 2020, which actually you can ask a lot of people back then, they'll tell you that their rankings were heard. Things happened. It ended up being so broad that it hurt a lot of channel. People were very upset. I was one of them.

And so that happens. And also, while I get along with just about everybody in the community, whether we believe in portals or not. I took it personally at the time, but there was a few shots made at me. And to be honest, and I'm sorry to all your pack west bigfoot followers out there at the time,

but I shouldn't have, but I took them personal. And it shut down for a while. And it wasn't many, it was just two or three. And I remember a couple of those people, not much long, there's weeks after that. I actually called me and apologized. One of them didn't, but a couple of them did.

And that made me feel better. I'll tell you, if you're doing pure research out here and you're doing your thing, don't do what I did. Don't shut down. Keep going. Keep recording. Just keep on the journey.

Don't stop. Forget what other people say. Let it go. Take the good, let the bad go. Or if you'll end up what I did doing what I did and I shut down. and then I shut down until this last fall

about a year ago. And then I started writing again at the behest of a lot of people started messaging me on Facebook and Instagram and emailing me and saying, man, I'm sure we'd love a story. And then my mom was like, get a story out there or get grounded.

I was like, Mom, I'm in my 50s. I was like, you can't ground me now if she's all one pet. And after all of those years of being online successfully, I ended up going back to work. And today I work for a public school system. And I found out, I got all morning until afternoon, free time to explore up the road. At the north of the park, I can write and do things now that I have time for in my life. and I just had a new

my very first grandkid born, a little boy, and my son was like, I sure would love to read those stories to him, and that got the cockles of my heart, and I started it up again on a channel called Where Bigfoot roams. And there,

just to let everybody know, I'll do some interviews, but I'm not going to do the interviews as many as I used to do. I prefer to listen to interviews, on, I love it here on Bigfoot Society. I love Crete Devil, Saskatch Chronicles.

I love listening to Small Town Monsters. I watch them all the time. I like listening to the interviews more than I like doing them, to be honest. I've always been a short story writer, a creative writer, and it was always more appealing to me for the entertainment side of the subject, to be honest.

A lot of people sometimes tell me like, yeah, I'm listening to interviews, I read all these books and all this stuff, but sometimes I just want to be entertained. And I heard that over the last few months. And so I decided that I will just focus mostly in on taking that three sentences or three paragraphs that's anecdotal story from somebody and turning it into a short story for people to just relax to. I had a grandmother email me and said,

I used to read your TAC West Bigfoot stories to my grandkid every single night. And now I've got a new grandkid, and I'm looking forward to reading those stories to her at night. And to me, that... is what that's what makes me tick in the end, is to let you guys out there do a lot of those interviews and listen and learn, whereas I can be more of the bedtime story guy,

where I take some based on true anecdotal stuff and turn it into a nice short story for someone to just enjoy. I think that's great. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah. And I will be heading into doing some children's books based around Bigfoot character. Oh, man. Really?

It'll be fun. Yeah. That's cool. It just hit me the, it hit me about a week ago. And I was like, you know what? Oh, and by the way, you guys, these are not AI written. I write my own stuff. I do my own stuff.

The only thing I use AI for is images. That's it. Yeah, same here. I do not write with AI. I find it, yeah, I find it. I'll be honest with you, I find it cheating. It's cheating. I think you need to come up with these stories.

I think that writing children's books yourself is an honest way of going about it. I really do. Everybody's got some creativity in them, I think, and you should use it. I think that's great. Yeah, that's why I enjoy actually talking to people directly. and recording that and the things that come out of that organic conversation can never be replicated by anything else. It's just, it's completely magical. Yeah, it is.

Yeah. And good stuff. I've been wanting to talk to you for a while, David, and I was always like, I wonder if he'll ever come back. So I'm glad that you came back in this way. It was great to talk to you. Yeah. Do you ever show up at any festivals or conferences, just taking it? in or we have a I was invited the last I think year to to the one out and glide here

oh sure I live in Roseburg just so I'm pretty much Oregon I haven't gone yet but I've decided this next go around next year spring summer whenever it is I decided that I'm going to show up and walk around and have lunch and just enjoy the folks walking around if anybody recognizes me great and I'll say hi no conversations into the day the rest of the day but I haven't been to one in years to be honest is it something I go out of my way for I still have three kids at home out of five sure so life is very busy for us and also my wife and I work and during the summer I work during the day and I work 10-hour shifts and so we could have three days off but it doesn't mean that I ain't tired because I do physical labor now. And it's tiring sometimes. Our camping

trips are about what we do during the summer. But I am looking forward to doing, at least going to the Glyde Festival every year starting this next year. That's fantastic. Yeah, there's some, there's some really good ones out there in Oregon. That's one of them. The Oak Ridge one is great. Sasquatch Summer Fest. There's so many cool things to go out. The last one, I think the last one I was at was Beachfoot. years ago. Yep, gotcha, gotcha. That was pretty cool. That's, yeah, for my kids met Mr. Himman, took pictures with him and talked to him for, gosh, he, he loved, they ended up writing some letters back and forth a little while, and it was just, he's just a wonderful guy, I have to

tell you, he was just a wonderful man. He was, he is, he loved kids, and you could just tell. It was just a great man. That is, that is really cool to hear, actually, to hear that side about someone you might not normally hear but david it has been really fun having you on the show i want to make sure that you're able to share everything that you'd wanted to i think we had a good conversation yeah it's great fantastic i've got one one other thing for you but thank you so much for being on the show today yes of course thank you so very much man thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you enjoyed this

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