Bigfoot Society - Texas Bigfoot and Sasquatch in the Lone Star State | Cryptid Researcher and Author | Lyle Blackburn

Episode Date: October 12, 2022

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And suddenly, they brought in from of the car he slams on the brakes and manages to stop and you're skidding because it's like quite you know, and grappling. And literally for about a second and a half, they just stood there because they don't know where to go and you tell them panicking. They're like, their face is like twitching. Welcome back to Bigfoot Society. This is your host, Jeremiah Byron.

Every week I talk to different people in the cryptozoology field. You never know who's going to be on next week. If you'd like to sponsor the show, head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society. All right, Bigfoot Society. We have the privilege of talking to Mr. Lyle Blackburn today.

How's it going, sir? Good. Good. Thanks for having me. Awesome. Looks like you've been a busy guy. I saw you going around, filming with STM and doing some dogman filming.

So that's pretty cool. But we're here to talk specifically about your new book, which is, First off, awesome. Almost 3,500 pages of Texas Bigfoot. And man, it's a good one. It's a good one.

But let's start talking about that. So the first thing I wanted to know, and of course, you know, before we get into it, I want to make sure people know, Lyle, the name Lyle Blackburn is probably well known from my listenership. but in case there's someone where they haven't, you know, had the privilege yet. You've done many things like you've written many different crypted focus books. You've been on different programs. You've been involved with different STM, Small Town Monsters, documentaries,

and also the band Gool Town, of course, great music there as well. Anything else that I need to tag in, Lyle? No, that's about it. It's kind of spread across the board of various media and contributions to cryptic research, I guess. So it's starting with the books, but I was lucky enough to become involved with Seth and Small Town Monsters and done various cool stuff over the years involved with creatures, monsters, and music. And if you want to hear more about that stuff, I have a previous interview with Lyle, which is really good. And we really get into things like Gould Town and all that. But your new book, Texas Bigfoot Lyle. So first thing I want to ask is why was now the perfect time to come out with a book that goes over the full gamut of Bigfoot in Texas? Well, you know, I think it was almost inevitable that I would want to do this book.

And, you know, timing-wise, things just always kind of feel right when they're going to fit in. And, of course, you know, being from Texas and being around here, I mean, exposed to the subject of Bigfoot and in contact with witnesses and other investigators and groups, you know, slowly sort of just filed away, you know, organized files on what I think represents the best of, you know, the history of Bigfoot here in Texas and, you know, encounters. And so I've just slowly been kind of putting that away. And there just kind of came an opportunity, a spark, if you will, and that's usually where I just go with the thing. and my buddy Craig Woolheater, who organizes Texas Bigfoot Conference and does, you know, has investigated this in Texas longer than I have. He had mentioned about maybe we could, you know, he was going to do a Texas Bigfoot Museum and other stuff. And I thought, you know, there needs to be a book.

I mean, nobody's really encompassed this, you know, I've written about it in other books or I've done presentations about it at conferences, libraries and stuff. But there was no book that sort of gave somebody the whole picture, the scope of, you know, the creature sightings in Texas, of which a lot of people may not realize how much there is to Texas. You kind of think of Texas as, you know, cowboy landscape and all that. You do not think of it as a Bigfoot hotspot. But in fact, you know, the states heavily forested. And, you know, we could talk more about the landscape, I suppose, but just in general, I thought, you know, there's so much to this and I'm, you know, crying out loud, I wear a cowboy hat.

Right. Yeah. I thought, I should write this book and then that sort of spark just led me to, okay, I've got all the files. I've got all the information. Let's just roll it out. That's cool. You know, you read through the book and it is the book for Texas Bigfoot.

There's no doubt about it. Like you set out to write that book and it is the book. There's a lot of really cool things that, you know, one thing is I didn't know that you had time that you spent before with Daryl Collier and Michael Mays. You know, people might recognize them from like the book Valley of the Apes with the NAWAC. But of course, they're involved with Texas Bigfoot as well. And I thought that was that was very cool. But another thing I want to point out is like, first off, you put a lot of really cool history in there.

It's not all just recent stuff. There's a lot of stuff I didn't know, like the Austin area ape things. That's a pretty cool story. And don't worry, I'm not going to give away the entire book because there's so much in there, but there are some things I want to pull out. So these historical records were these things that you had to dig deep in the archives for? Or like, how did you find out about, like, how in Austin there are these orangutan, eight-type bigfoot things in like, what, the late 1800s?

That was pretty cool. Well, you know, fortunately for me, there's been, you know, a lot of guys, colleagues and friends that have gathered this stuff over time. And it just becomes part of that just public documentation. Gotcha. So, you know, as opposed to have. having to go to every little small town and look through their newspapers, which you could. And you could probably find even more weird stuff.

But, you know, over time these things, you know, the newspaper reports have circled around. And, you know, Craig had kind of gathered some together on his original Bigfoot, Texas Bigfoot Research Center website. So, you know, over the years, like I said, I would just see something. Oh, yeah, there's a Texas report. It's an old one. There's a newspaper file. I would, you know, download it. And I've got my, you know, organized files on my computer.

And I would just file it away. So, you know, those things. Then when you go to write the book, then I've already got the files very well organized. And I'm like, okay, now, where's the old stuff? And like you say, that was the thing about doing a book like this. It's not just, A, about, well, here's just encounter after encounter that happened in the last. you know, five years or anything like that or and it's not all about me like people say, well, is this, you know, why do you write this book? Is this about your experience? It's like,

no, this is sort of an investigative journalist approach of, right, let's look at the history. So you need that old stuff to kind of support that, you know, this isn't just a modern phenomenon that say people, okay, start watching Finding Bigfoot and suddenly they start seeing Bigfoot in Texas. Sure. There was that history. And if you go back even to the 1800s, there's a weird newspaper reports that may or may not be Bigfoot, but what they're describing literally sounds like some kind of hairy manlike hate. So, you know, I just included all that to kind of give that complete, as much of a complete history as possible.

Yeah. And I mean, I didn't even know there was a Davy Crockett story where, you know, you know, He sees a big footer and eight man out. I was like, I'm learning stuff here. This is great. But when, so you have the book published. Is there maybe a certain account that you were like, I'm so glad that this gets to be shared now because of this book, like that you

hadn't been able to be shared before? Yeah, there's definitely a few of those, you know, especially the ones where I can interview somebody first person, you know, to kind of add to it. It's not just me pulling from everywhere. It's like it was interrobin in there where I, anytime I could interview a witness and, you know, now is part of the record and incorporated with arrest. But, yeah, there was, you know, a guy named Billy Simmons who had been called by a first. friend who lived in a rural area in kind of northeast Texas, and this guy was in a panic, and he had heard some strange noises and looked outside and saw this upright, hair-covered,

ape-like creature trying to pull one of his hogs out of him. And that's in that section. I think I call it APEX. Yes, yeah, yeah. just sort of that idea that these creatures are sort of like the ultimate apex predator type of thing. And so it was a cool story just because that was kind of spooky. And so Billy goes over there and, you know, his friends like, you know, so here's the pog pin and they could see like manned huge manlike footprints. And the guy was freaked out.

And, you know, Billy's trying to like, what is? is all this? Well, as they began to digest what had happened, they talked to a neighbor. And the neighbor mentions that, well, over here, you know, in the past year or two, there's a guy who has a, like a summer cabin over there, and some kind of things were coming around the cabin. And it was, you know, freaking him out. They couldn't figure out what they were. So when Billy calls, some other guys and some guys from a university come out there and bring some students. And they're all looking at these tracks going, we don't know what these things are. And they end up pouring a track casting.

And so there's a great picture. I mean, Billy has the track. You know, it's a very good example of just all these things coming together with a siding, with supporting neighbors talking about this, where you have. a third party coming in to look at the tracks. They cast the tracks. All that lined up. And while, of course, we don't have any proof of the creature itself, there's at least

that full support. So that was fun to just get stories like that where I could put them together, put the pictures in there, talk about everything that happened. And, you know, his report is kind of out there. It was kind of published by the Texas Bigfoot. research center years ago. But it just doesn't have the whole scope and you can't just sit down and here's the picture or the book, here's the story. So it's fun to put those together in sort of the way I lay out these books. And that's just one of the stories that are in there.

There's a lot of really cool ones. So it doesn't just, you know, read like a dry textbook. Like you've got some like some good campfire stories in there as well. There's one I want, to specifically ask you about because when I read it, I was like, this is the most wild thing I've ever, I've heard in a long time. Like, it's up there with, uh, what's to deal with the Hugo's monster tale? That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard, dude. And that, and that for me was a surprising one where I ran across that sort of like a wild urban legend type thing. Uh, So as a kid, I grew up going with my father hunting. My father is an avid bow hunter.

And as far back as I can remember, like three years old, I mean, we were going hunting and to the hunting lease. And we hunted a lot in sort of central Texas along the Brazzis River in a place called Possum Kingdom, which is there's a Possum Kingdom Lake and all this stuff. not this say the squatchiest of looking places but um and and at the time when I was a kid I first I had no idea there was Bigfoot sightings in Texas and then I had no idea there was anything out there by Paulson Kingdom so of course over the years I started to see that there were you know some reports out there sure and one of the guys who played in in my band Gouldown we were talking and he mentioned I was a Boy Scout out there. And we came across like footprints and handprints in which the counselors

were just like freaked out. They couldn't explain. Wow. And so in the book, I start putting together that area because I'm like, well, I got some good stuff. There's some reports. If data management is slowing down your business, you need the Intuit ERP. If one entity is here and one here and one here and one here, you need the Intuit ERP. If scaling your business feels like start starting a starting starting starting over you need the Intuit ERP. Intuit Enterprise Suite is the AI native ERP solution that consolidates, migrates, and automates, all in one place.

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Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to heighten taste? Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a recesses. And I even had a fellow investigator friend who had some experiences out there. So this makes for a good chapter. And that's when I ran across this whole thing about this Hugo's monster,

which was a story in that area that said that some sort of basically a mad doctor, a mad scientist sort of the guy had come from the north and moved of all places down here to Palipenta County. and had built this home out on this hill. It's called sort of a mountain, but there's no mountains here. It's like a high hill or something called. And there's a cave, and he was doing experiments, and he brings in this, imports this gorilla, supposedly, and then he's trying to swap brains with a kidnaps of a woman,

and there's this whole man scientist thing. And then, of course, somehow this gorilla thing ends up getting loose and running off from the woods. Right. Which is, you know, it's just kind of preposterous. But it is interesting that in that same area over the years, there have been sightings of Bigfoot-like creatures in a place where you wouldn't expect them. So I don't know if the story came first or or it's just coincidental or this was a way to

explain those sighties. I don't know, but it's a, it's an insane story. It's a great like, I mean, man, what a piece of folklore story that is. And it's like the perfect Lyle Blackburn story because it combines like Bigfoot cryptids, but also with like your classic monster tales too. And I was like, oh my goodness, this is the best thing in this book. for his book because it's a classic monster thing. And I love those because, you know, when you're looking at these books, you know, I want to write it as a complete narrative that you can kind of pick up and read. You don't want to just put siding after siding after siding, which is great.

But it doesn't have that texture like, oh, well, here's this little tangent where there's this crazy legend that's associated with this area to that. It is a bit fantastical, but it gives you that sort of some campfire tales and some texture to the book that keeps it interesting. And then here's another very credible sighting. And then here's a wild legend. And, you know, that's what it. That's just really cool. It's, it's really cool how you all, you put that together there. The, another part of the book I thought was interesting is a Callisburg, uh, Troll,

bridge sightings. That's just weird. And because it's like this one old bridge, certain points in history, they all have like Bigfoot sightings around this area. I just thought that was the weirdest thing ever. Yeah. And they even preserved that bridge and it's moved from the river, but it's preserved. And it's, and even in that little Kalesburg town, which is in northeast Texas.

again, not the most squatchiest kind of a place, but even the locals have sort of recognized that there was some cool tales involving that bridge and sort of incorporated that into the history. And, you know, if you go up to these little towns, you know, some of the old times, they remember these things and they appreciate it and you can get people to talk about it, you know.

Yeah, Kalesburg was one where you, you just kind of go into this area. There's a few Bigfoot sightings. And then you find that there's some associated almost folklore meets like older sightings that nobody consider to be Bigfoot. It's very interesting. You know, and I'm not a Texas resident. I'm an outsider.

But when you are able to see the whole state laid out and you're like, man, there's some weird stuff going on in this state when you got, you got all this bigfoot stuff. And then you, like, I'll just shot. Like, you got other stuff going on. Like, you got Texas Dogman Triangle, all that stuff. Texas is a weird state, but it's pretty, pretty cool. But I got to put you on the spot. Do you feel like there's a part of Texas that is the squatchiest?

Or what do you think? Yeah, certainly. I mean, I think when you get to the eastern portion, I mean, Texas, you know, like I said, it's kind of stereotyped to be, you know, ranches and John Wayne movie looking stuff. Right. You go all the way from the very west from El Paso, which is very arid and desert-like, to the central portion, which is a little more like prairies, rolling hills, a little bit more wide open, gullies, mesquite tree. And then when you get in the eastern third, it's very heavily forested in what's known as the piny woods. And these are thickets with huge hardwood pines. You know, as you get closer to Louisiana, you've got swamps.

I mean, you go down to the Gulf Coast region and you got this kind of Gulf Coast, you know, the coastal areas that have a lot of water and, you know, swampy areas and woods. So for sure, you know, over in that eastern portion, I'd say especially along the Sabine River. And Sabine River is a very long river that basically does the boundary between Texas and Louisiana. And it's just that is the hot spot. It's super squatchy. There are tails in along the thickets and along that Sabine River. And, you know, I've been down there. I've canoed in that river and camp down there.

And, I mean, I mean, it's a, it's just looks very big foot, big footy. I mean, even the mosquitoes are the worst on the planet. I mean, they're not only big, but there's thousands of them. And they're just, they don't care about deep or anything else. It is just the most rugged kind of woods. And certainly that's where you're going to get the most. what I consider the most reports and the most credible. I mean, you know, you can you can throw a rock down there and hit a witness that has a really good.

Wow. Is there any reports or any stories that come to mind from that area about Bigfoot encounters in the Sabine area that you might be able to share? Yeah, there's several. there was even one that I covered sort of the latter part of the book where a woman reported what she thought was a burglar or something trying to get in her closed-in back porch. And some police responded to that. Several officers went down there and, you know, of course, thinking this is a person and this was a woman who lived by herself. older woman and, you know, kind of a scary situation. And they, you know, they were looking around the house as they would and make sure everything's

secure. And they went through and went out that back porch. And they saw it had just been kind of destroyed like an animal or something that got in there. And they saw this upright, dark, man-like thing, silhouette run towards the woods. And, I mean, these are, this was in a newspaper. I believe it was Jasper County. They weren't sure what this was.

And, you know, of course, you know, they didn't really chase it off into the woods. They were kind of spooked themselves and they just kind of secured the area. But they came back in and said, well, ma'am, you know, there's no one in the house. You know, we've locked up the back porch. They didn't want to tell her they just saw this. Oh, man. Bigfoot-looking creature rough. Good boy.

So, you know, that was kind of scary. I mean, things trying to get into a house, presumably, the police involved. And, you know, along the Sabine River, a friend of mine, Jeff Stewart, had a siding back there in the 1980s in which he came across a, it wasn't a very tall creature, but it was definitely an upright, hair-covered,

bigfoot-looking thing. And this was back in the 80s, and you just kind of didn't take a big foot in Texas, you know, the further back you go. You know, there's a person I kind of got to know through the encounter and stuff early on, but, you know, I've been friends with him for years. And, you know, that's a solid encounter. And that's, that goes along. There's another person I've interviewed and gotten to know that had a very up-close and personal,

lengthy standoff with a Sasquatch near Jefferson, Texas. Jefferson is way over on the east, a little on the north end of the Sabine area. You know, very, very spooky. And, you know, these are first person

people telling their story and people that I've gotten to know that I 100% believe they saw something that we simply can't explain. Oh, man. And I mean, And it's, if you like all the stuff that Lyle's been talking about, the Sabine area, the Jefferson area, like, he covers all of it in the book. And it's, it is fantastic. And I love how there's a big chapter on the Lake Worth monster as well. I mean, I really enjoyed your podcast episode on that. That is just like, that's one of my favorite episodes of Crypta Podcasts of the year. So definitely, you know, I have that linked in the show. notes on Monstro Bizarro, right? It's a good podcast, Lyle.

It's, I mean, any one of those episodes could literally be a book in itself, I think. Yeah, that's, I mean, sometimes I'm pulling, you know, from things I've written about, but it's a way to put it in a different format and to kind of expand on it. And the Lake Worth Monsters are a fun one because I grew up in the Fort Worth, Dallas area. my family's from Fort Worth. And Lake Worth is sort of northeast of Fort Worth. It was out in the sort of out in the middle of the woods back in 1969 when people began reporting this white-haired creature that was literally attacking people. And there was sightings of it that in one case, about 30 people or more saw this thing run up on a ridge and throw a tire.

And these were covered in the Fort Worth Star Telegram newspaper. So that was one. Now, I didn't know about it when I was little because it, you know, I just, I was not, I was too young. But, but it's close to home. And so over the years, I've gathered more and more information, not just what was in the newspapers, but I've met people that were there at the time, literally. And so I've added that into the book. And, of course, in the Texas book, I've got a huge section on it.

because there's a lot of stuff that went on over the years in Lake Worth. So it was fun and nice to put all that together in one place that kind of makes sense in the scope of this entire. There you go. Or the Lake Worth Monster Story, if you want the full thing, there it is. It's in there. Oh, man, it's so good.

It's so good. Thank you so much, Lyle, for coming on and chatting about Texas Bigfoot. Before we go, can you maybe do remind people how they can keep up to what you're up to? And maybe are there any places you're going to where people can meet you at upcoming festivals or anything? Well, so the best place to find out information is lyell Blackburn.com. And you can sign up for the email list. And that's got all the links to everything I've done. And where to find the books, the movies, the music.

I'm on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, of course, all that kind of stuff. And I will be the next event I have coming up is the Texas Bigfoot Conference, which is October 14th through 16th in Jefferson, Texas, the Bigfoot capital of Texas. And that's always a fun one each year. get together with friends and colleagues and do a presentation. Of course, this year I'm going to do, well, sort of yet another presentation on Texas Bigfoot. Beyond that, I'll be at the Leesville, Louisiana Library on November 14th. Okay.

And that kind of wraps up. There's been a lot of events this year, but that's kind of the wrap up for 2022. so I can then have some downtime or... Love it. Do some band gigs. Yeah, do some band. That would be cool. Again, Lyle, thank you so much for coming on.

Always a pleasure to talk to you. And have a good answer. Absolutely. The views and opinions expressed are those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bigfoot Society. Any content provided by our guests are not intended to align any religion, ethnic group, club, organization, company, individual. If data management is slowing down your business, you need the Intuit ERP.

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