Bigfoot Society - That's When I Knew It Was a Real Thing!

Episode Date: March 22, 2025

Join us for an exciting episode featuring Chester Moore, an award-winning wildlife journalist, investigator, and author of 'Bigfoot South.' Chester delves into his early childhood fascination with Bigfoot, recounting spine-chilling encounters in East Texas and beyond. Discover his firsthand experiences and investigative techniques as he shares vivid details from the eerie growls in Newton County to uncovering patterns of Bigfoot sightings near Nichols Creek. Listen as Chester discusses the importance of wildlife conservation amid increasing urban development, and learn about his impactful work with Dark Outdoors, a podcast that intersects true crime and cryptid encounters. Don't miss Chester's captivating stories and his insights into the mysterious world of Bigfoot.Resources:https://highercalling.net/about-chester-moore/Listen to Chester's podcast - https://darkoutdoors.podbean.comRead Chester's book - https://bigfootsouth.comhttps://www.youtube.com/@globalbigfootSasquatch Summerfest this year, is July 11th through the 12th, 2025. It's going to be fantastic. Listeners, if you're going to go, you can get a two day ticket for the cost of one. If you use the code "BFS" like Bigfoot society and it'll get you some off your cost.Priscilla was a nice enough to provide that for my listeners. So there you go. I look forward to seeing you there. So make sure you head over to www. sasquatchsummerfest. com and pick up your tickets today.If you've had similar encounters or experiences, please reach out to [e-mail]. Your story could be the next one we feature!🔴 Subscribe to our Youtube channel and leave a comment here: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Want to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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Visit your nearby lows on West Pico Boulevard in Los Angeles. Welcome to Bigfoot Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. Do you wish there was more Bigfoot Society to listen to every week? Well, there is now.

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There's a few things to know about Chester right. off the bat. He is the host of the Dark Outdoors podcast. He's an award-winning wildlife journalist and an investigator and author of the Bigfoot South book, which is coming back in an expanded edition, correct, Chester? It's out right now at bigfootsouth.com and I've been getting some good feedback on that book and it was something I did a long time ago to tie in with some conferences that I was doing at the time myself. And we had a limited run and people kept asking about it. So I brought it back with a vengeance. I love it. So when I have individuals like yourself on the show, I love to start the show out by going into that first question,

which is what got you into the Bigfoot field to begin with? My initial entry into having an interest in this goes back to very early childhood when I was probably four years. years old or so, my dad showed me pictures from the Argosy magazine that had the Patterson Gimlin creature in it. And I was mesmerized, you know, and you couldn't be born in the late 70s without hearing about Bigfoot. I mean, the $6 million man battling Andre the Giant is Bigfoot and Ted Cassidy's Bigfoot and all that. And then I'd heard that my dad went to see the legend of Boggy Creek in a drive-in, and I was too young to go. But I was being wheeled into surgery in Texas Children's Hospital. They put me in a waiting room. They had early cable.

And on early cable was the legend of Augie Creek. So I got about the first hour of that. And I was just blown away. So that really was my interest in it. But I've always been deeply interested in wildlife. I've always wanted since I was a little boy to work in a profession that tied in fishing, hunting wildlife somehow. And to me, that was just like an addendum to wildlife. It was just part of it, but a mystery. And so in terms of an interest in the topic that's where the topical interest comes from that's fascinating it's always fun when you talk to people where they were influenced at such a young age like myself by by the bigfoot media in in a way it's you've had those classic movies and tv shows and it's just it's a good

time uh when you have that that connection but was there was there a time then when you found yourself actually going out into the field and okay now now it's a little different i'm out in this area actually looking for whatever this thing is well that's my i kind of went backwards it's kind of a weird deal so my father and i had an encounter with something in newton county texas my aunt owned 83 acres in the middle of hundreds of thousands of acres of forest and we were rabbit hunting one night and in Texas rabbit hunting is a little headlamp on, by the way, it's perfectly legal. And you put a little headlamp on and we'd go walk the fence lot of her 83 acres down under this creek bottom and out with a headlamp looking for rabbits with shotguns.

And we got down on this creek bottom, this one particular night. And I'm not sure exactly the year, but I was 11 or 12, right in there. And this thing started going crazy. And it was a deep, duttle, like, evil-sounding growl. And I remember, Daddy, what's this? And my dad's best reply was, I think one of Uncle Bill's bulls got hung up in the fence down there. And I'm like, well, let's go help it. He goes, nah, I think it'll get out on his own. And so we kind of back out of there. And me being the already budding investigator journalist kid,

kept pestering my dad. And the best answer he could come up with that I bought for a long time with it was a bear because the black bear had been extirpated from East Texas, but Louisiana, which was only, you know, 10 miles away from us, had a remnant pair of remnant population. Louisiana Black Bear. So then I got to work with Black Bears in captivity for two years in college, and they made no vocalization that sounded remotely like this. But something interesting happened. I got a couple of things happened on the same property with some relatives that had

some strange sounds and things, and it brought back memories. And I got to, I kind of started thinking that Bigfoot might not G-Spea-West thing. And I had reached out to Bobby Hamilton, who had found out the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research organization and he asked my dad and i to go out on an investigation with him one night in polk can leave texas about two hours away from where we were when we had this thing happen at this point 15 years earlier and nothing really happened about 10 o'clock we heard like we're sitting on a campfire listening for vocalizations what we're doing and we heard a weird like moan like a oh off to our left and about midnight it was dead center of us and about two or three o'clock in the morning

it was over to our right. And it's not like something that circled our encampment. Interesting, but nothing, you know, like we could say that's a big foot. So about 4 a.m., we had a two-hour drive home. Bobby had to go to work the next morning, and we were getting our stuff together, had shook hands, and we're about to part, and all hell broke loose. This sound, this guttural, evil-sounding, dark sound, growling, came out through the thicket at us. and I get chill thinking about it now because my dad was with me then. He was with me when we heard when we heard 15 years ago in Newton County, Texas. Now we're two hours away in Polk County.

He literally grabs me and goes, that's what we heard when you were a kid. It was the same sound. So that's the moment I knew Bigfoot was the real thing. And so a very interesting part of this that hooked me into investigating in the field was that I had been to South America eight or nine months earlier. In December of 1999, I'd been to Venezuela. I was peacock bass and pyra fishing in the jungles of Venezuela

in a place called Lake Guri. And we had several monkey encounters, including a spider monkey that came into our houseboat and stole food. But multiple days, we had howler monkeys everywhere. This sound I was hearing had a very howler monkey-esque tone. it so it sounded a very primate like to me and when i was in this coven's one particular hallam monkey

i growled at it and it growled back i did two growls it growled two growls so for whatever reason instinctively i did that to this thing i growled it growled i did two growls it did two growls then i did three growls and it built itself up into a frenzy released a high-pitched screen that sounded like it was a stream within a growl. And it obviously wanted us to know it was leaving because it broke stuff on the way. You can hear it breaking branches and stuff on the way out.

And that is exactly what a howler monkey did in South America like eight months earlier. So when that encounter happened, I went with some kind of primate there that we don't know for sure what it is, but that's a primate-like behavior and it matches

the exact sound of her when I was a kid. And at this point, I was already a professional wildlife journalists. I already been in the field doing this seven years, eight years at that point. So I decided to take a little

part of what I was doing as a wildlife journalist and start investigating this phenomenon. That is absolutely fascinating. The sounds that you were hearing back from whatever was in those bushes, was it very similar to the same sound

you were making as well? So I'm pretty decent at making animal sounds, right? So I was, trying to mock it. So it wasn't like it tried to mock me. I was mocking it, if that makes any sense. I could, it was like a, so I had never heard the Sierra sounds at this point of my life, okay? But a year or two later when I heard them, and I'm not talking about what's called the samurai chatter and all that, there is a very dutteral growl within the Sierra sounds that is

absolutely some of the sounds this animal made, this creature made. That stuff, we heard you. it. So I did something similar to that, and that's what made it respond to me. But the part that I've told the story before that I usually leave out for whatever reason, I shouldn't, it's a freaking kind of scary detail. You know, right before I decided I'm going to be, you know, Mr. mock the animal, and it's growling at us, I grabbed the flashlight, and I'm about to go into bushes, and I heard another one behind this one. So there's one growling, and one goes, so there were at least two of these things in there. one of them was like going but wild.

And it was the same kind of response we had when I was a kid two hours away to the east and east Texas. So it just connected a lot of dots for me, you know? That is fascinating. It sounds like, Chester, that you are an individual that knows all the wildlife in Texas. Oh, yeah. This, what you heard that night,

it sounds like it's not even coming close to anything else out there. The closest thing I've ever heard in my life, the howler monkey in the wilds of Venezuela. Right. And it was the howler monkey. It was one with like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Conan, the barbarian level steroids. I mean, it was,

it was big and it was intense. And it also, like I said, there was a scream at the end, but the scream sounded like it was a scream within a growl. Like there were two different sounds happening at the same time. It was really crazy.

So that's interesting. That's a thing that comes up all the time where people will, in their accounts, they'll say, well, it sounded like this and like this at the same time. And it's very, very interesting. It's like, how is it even able to do the two sounds at the same time? And I know there's a few different theories about that. But would you recommend individuals if they're out big footing to do the same thing that you did that day,

where you're like kind of throwing stuff back at it? And what are your thoughts about that? So let me tell you a kind of a funny version of that. So we had gotten access to, we were there because Bobby Hamilton had talked to someone who owned this little parcel of property where there was a camp house because they had had encounters over the years, right? Well, we had ended up talking to the people who live. It was just, it was just a set of camp, little camp houses in the middle of nowhere and it was surrounded by thousands of thousands of acres of forest. There was a guy who was a bounty hunter, the next property over, and we had talked. him got access to the creek bottom on the back of his property.

So we decided that would have been August of 2000. So probably like February 2001, we went back into the bottoms that there and tried to camp out. And we're sitting in the tent at about the same time we'd finally crashed out about 4 o'clock in the morning. And we hear a green branch snap. I mean, right by the tent. And then you hear footsteps, bipedal, absolutely bipedal. and you hear a low growl. Like a very similar growl we heard her like the, you know, months earlier, but very low.

And Bobby yells at me, don't you blank and growl at this one, Chester? It was as we're cocking every gun that we had in the tent. But anyway, never saw anything there, but that was, but I don't know, man. I wouldn't recommend someone do that necessarily. I just did it because I was so taken with what was happening there was so much like what happened to me in South America with the howler monkeys. It was as far as the vocals and stuff. So I'm just going to growl at it, you know. And so what happened happened.

I wouldn't necessarily recommend that, but, you know, I'm still here. True, true. So, you know, use your own discretion, guys. I would assume you probably are taking reports from Texas quite a bit. Yeah, I mean, I don't like real super actively seek them out, but I get them a lot. You know, I do get them a lot, especially speaking engagements. And then when I do a dark outdoors podcast that has a cryptid element, I do get reports quite a bit. And I'm not only in Texas, though, but quite a bit over because I'm on the Louisiana border here, too.

So I get quite a bit from Louisiana too. So if you've taken reports from down there, have you gotten some that are close to what you experienced during your time out there? Are other people saying, yeah, I've kind of, what I experienced was very similar as well in the same area? That's a great question, actually. Let me think. So I've had, okay, actually on the same property, so the property where we had the encounter when I was a kid, okay? So going back to that same piece of property.

Later on, after we kind of figured out there was probably Bigfoot in these taxes, we went back to my aunt's property and started doing it because at this point she had leased like 10,000 acres for a hunting club, and they sold hunting club membership. So they owned 80-something acres in the middle, and then they leased around it from the timber company. Very common practice in East Texas for people to do that. And we had access to a lot of land around there at this point. And she kind of thought we were crazy about Bigfoot, but she told me there was a coon hunter who went out one night kind of in that same spot. And he had a growling happened to him that he said, I'm no longer going to be coon hunting here, that my dogs got scared and I don't

know what that was, but it's nothing that's supposed to be in East Texas. So that happened in the same literal same piece of property i've had several people tell me that they had really scary growls happen you know in east texas that there were areas they had really really scary growls in that they had really intense vocalizations come at them and stuff like that but you know in terms of east texas reports and this is in my book bigfoot south you get a bigfoot south com. This book, this is the one that I think out of everything I've ever liked and covered is the, is the most interesting thing by a long shot. And it ties into the same thing. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Let's go, girls. So this is the little

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have I found patterns similar to what I experienced? And so once again, my aunt thought we were kind of crazy for the Bigfoot stuff. And she told me the story, and I mean, you might add the story about the guy with Coon Hunter, but she also told us about the spot where I had a deer stand at down there, that one of the rabbit hunters went out one night down there, like the year previous or so, and saw a silver bear on the high line right away.

And so the silver bear, she just, yeah, it was squatted down like a man, and when he shined his light on it, it stood up and looked at him and walked across this highline on two legs. And I went silver bear, eh? First off, this high line right away is like 50 yards wide. There's no black bear that's going to walk 50 yards across there on two legs, period. Secondly, there are whitish-phase black bears, but they're in one area of the planet in British Columbia. Okay?

All right. So I said that, so I knew that was definitely not, that was probably a Sasquatch. So I just kind of filed that in my records, and this was all very early on in doing this. So around 2000 or so. Well, I did a radio appearance on the topic as a guest in the same station that my show was on. A guy wanted to talk about Bigfoot with somebody in East Texas, and I did a show. And then I had a guy, he didn't call on the air, but he reached out to me after the show, found my number. And he told me that he saw what he said was, quote, a light gray colored Bigfoot crossing the road in front of this sign on Highway 87 in East Texas.

says Nichols Creek. Well, that Nichols Creek he's talking about is about four or five miles from where the silver bear crossed the high line. So I'm like, oh, nobody, this is before social media. This is no, there's no corroboration here. You know, this is two completely different things. And I went, wow. Well, I did another, I did another appearance.

on another program, and I had someone reach out of, I had said that one, I actually had several different reports come in from different areas of East Texas, but I had someone else reach out to me and say, hey, I was driving through Highway 87 one night right at Nichols Creek, and I saw what was like a big foot, but it wasn't real big. It was maybe like six feet tall, and it was slumped over and gray and kind of long-share crossing the road, and they mentioned it being in front of the Nichols Creek sign. So now I have within a four or five-mile area three Bigfoot reports of a gray-colored Bigfoot, pre-social media in one area. And that actually, at this point, is expanded within about a seven-mile area to five reports of that.

Oh, man. That's the stuff I love. You start to narrow it down and you've got such a small, relatively small area. And over how many years would you say those reports span that you've taken? All right. So the latest one that came up came up last year, but it was a report from 1996. They remember the year and everything. So I would say the actual activity extended roughly from 1996 to around 0203, right in there. Okay. That's fascinating. So is this the kind of things that one can expect to read in your book, Bigfoot South then? Or? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of like my, that was. really the inspiration for me to do the, to really go deep with a redo of the book because I had

new information on some of those reports, you know. So I was like, man, I got, I got some cool stuff to ask. So that's definitely in the book. And it was, you know, that to me is just really intriguing because number one, especially, this is before really the Bigfoot Renaissance on television and the internet happened. No one would have given you a Bigfoot report being gray. trying to fake it back then. You know, that wasn't like, you know, so that, that to me is a little detail there, but I think's fascinating. And also, two of the reports distinctly say it wasn't really tall.

It was like maybe six feet tall and slumped over. So that's interesting, too, you know. It already sounds like an amazing book. Can you share maybe one other highlight that you always find yourself going back to when you're looking through your book. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is the completely opposite side of thing, but it goes, like I said, I work in Bigfoot backwards.

So this once again goes back to my childhood, but we have every year, and it still exists the South Texas State Fair, one of the largest fairs in Texas. And it was, I can't for sure narrow down the year, but I'm talking my mom about it. It was either 84 or 85, and I'm pretty sure it was 84. We walk in the area where they have like the games and the sideshow stuff, and there was a big trailer set up, and it says, see the body of Sasquatch. So this was like a moth to flame here. I mean, it's like the screw the rest of the fair is what I'm going there. You know what I mean?

It was like this. So we walk in, me and my mom had taken me to the fair that night by herself, and my dad was working. And there's this glass case. And, you know, thinking back to this. this was very well done it wasn't cheap it was thick glass nice display they even had like metal signs of frame 352 the Patterson gilman creature in there you know so it was like done really nicely and i remember looking at this thing and just being transfixed and what i remember distinctly about it were a couple of things its body was like it looked like to me it could have been six and a half to

seven feet tall, but the body was kind of curled up a little bit, like it was curled up a little bit. The arms were curled up some, and the face was round, a very round face with deep, set eyes. I remember thinking initially, like, I wouldn't think that that is what a big foot might look like up that close, and I remember, well, I'll never think of them up that close. And it had mail, which as a kid, I was like, I don't think the tax term is what I was done that. You know what I mean? Like, I was thinking my 10-year-old mind, 11-year-old mind. And so when I rewrote the book, I'd never talked about this publicly before.

I went and talked to my mom about it, you know, because instead of being 11, my mom was, you know, like 35. And she said, I said, here's the way I remember it, mom. Because we went back like my mom said at least 10 times that night. Like, that's all I wanted to go do was look at that. And she's, I said it was either really good special makeup effects are, fairly bad taxidermy. It wasn't just, remember a few years ago when those dudes put the Chewbacca costume on ice and went shoulder to everybody and except it was a dead big foot?

Oh, yeah. That tour of the country, this looked 10 times better than that. And so I'm actually continually looked because this was a major, some like fake or not, somebody spent money on it. So I know other people saw that. And it wasn't just for that fair. So if anybody remembers in the mid-19, early to mid-80, seeing a bigfoot creature at a fair, especially in Texas,

please reach out to me, Chester at Chestermore.com. I would love to connect with you. And maybe someone knows who has this if it was a fake. Maybe if somebody still has the case or the specimen or whatever, maybe it wasn't a fake. But that was something that I thought was really very interesting because it was set up like it was a big deal. And, you know, everybody knows about the Minnesota Iceman.

Well, we had the Bigfoot of Texas at the South Texas State Fair. Oh, wow. So I was just going to ask you, so it wasn't the Minnesota Iceman then. No, oh no. No, it wasn't on ice. It was like a, it was almost like a mounted specimen, but it was laid in glass case. It wasn't the Minnesota Iceman. Nope. This is the whole different deal. Oh, man. So my audience is great with stuff like I hope someone knows what Chester is talking about. And hopefully you can put stuff in the comments, but if you really know, email me or actually, Chester, how can they email me? you. Yeah, they can email me at chestermore.com. Chester at chestermore.com. And yeah, you know, I would just like love to know. I mean, it was, you know, for a 10 year old, I was suspicious of it being real, but it was cool. Either way, it was cool to see. And it was like the, but it wasn't the Minnesota Iceman. They didn't present it as Minnesota Iceman. It was not in ice.

Wow, that, that is going to bug me for a while, too. I hope we could, we could figure this out. Well, I have. Well, I have. someone message me on, I mentioned it on something I did last year, and someone said in the late 70s, they saw a Bigfoot carcass at a fair in Dallas. So, you know, that would have been a five or six, seven years spread between then. But other people, thousands of other people have had to have seen this. So I'm very intrigued by it. And it's something that I like to tell because this is the kind of little rabbit trails and make all this a lot of fun. Can you tell us a little bit about what people can expect to hear when they listen to the dark outdoors podcast oh man i appreciate you asking so the way i described dark outdoors it's true crime and terrifying encounters in the great outdoors

i kept running into very scary situations involving people in the outdoors including getting chased off a mountain with my father the first time i visited the willow creek area up on a mountain by what was absolutely people in the drug trade we got chased off a mountain and literally they were trying to push this in their vehicle off the mountain. It's a wild story. And I told that story on the air on the radio show I did for a long time. And I said, anybody ever had anything like that happened? And I couldn't take all the calls.

So the first episode deals with, I did three years ago with a lot of people don't know, Ted Bundy did a lot of his horrors in the outdoors in Utah. He took women into the outdoors and do some of his stuff. But it also deals with strange encounters. And it deals with crazy Bigfoot stuff. episode that got everybody's attention last year is when I talked about a potential lost tribe people, people seeing what they call primitive Indians up until the 1980s in the area of Texas, and then also kind of tied into the feral human issue a little bit.

And we do animal attack stuff. I mean, actually the most downloaded show I did was about feral dog attacks, and it was terrifying show. And so it covers all of the dangers of the outdoors, but it's a positive program. as well because I say we're shining light into the dark outdoors because I have a section. Each show has a missing person. It's fairly recently missing in the wild somewhere trying to raise awareness they're missing. We also do a defense segment and tell people out of defend themselves and stay safe out there.

But it's stuff you want to tell around the campfire, but not if you want to sleep that night. Oh, that's awesome. So it's not just Texas stuff. It can be from all over the place. Oh, it's all over the place. Yeah, it's all over the place. Yeah. So the episode that goes live, the next episode that will be up, is it's about wartime in animal attacks that soldiers have faced around the world going back into the first world of war.

And it is crazy stuff. I mean, like, wild stuff. So it's all around. There's no limits on where it's at. It's all around. It's everything from true crime to strange, strange, feral human encounters and Bigfoot and everything else in dark outdoors is on. iHeart radio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, all podcasts and platforms. If you want to help my work, that's one of the main thing to go subscribe to that program

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I don't get asked a lot around here. So good stuff. Oh, that's great to know. Do you, do you investigate Bigfoot related things just in Texas or have you found yourself in other states as well? Oh, I've done stuff in Louisiana, Arkansas. I saw Oklahoma and California. Okay. Okay, okay, okay.

So what part of California are you going into? Well, I did. I haven't been in years. Oh, right, right. We went straight for the jugular Bluff Creek, you know. Yes. Yeah, which was like amazing, you know, to be there. And so that was really cool.

And I've done a lot of stuff in Louisiana. And I mean, the people get the idea. I'm like constantly out looking for big foot, which I'm not. But I do, I've done a fair amount of in the field research and I get a lot of reports and stuff. And I just like to log interesting cases and reports and things. And it's interesting to me to like hear subtle differences and reports in different states or similarities. You know, those are, those are very interesting things for me as a journalist.

Absolutely. Over the years going to all these different states, do you have a place that has been a favorite that you're like, yeah, I would easily go back there. It was just crazy. Well, I didn't go up to the Bluff Creek area enough, but that would be a definite just because of the historical part of it. And it's so beautiful. And I love the mountains. But more in the Arklitex region here, you know, I love all of that area around Falk and southwestern Arkansas.

There's still a lot of stuff that goes on. My good friend, Lyle Blightburn has uncovered a lot of stuff there. And I like that whole Sulphur River Bottom area. That whole area up in there is pretty fascinating. Yeah, I would agree. I mean, I get some just absolutely wild reports from that area. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Let's go, girls.

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And I really still do this. I don't go going, hey guys, anybody down here in the camp seeing the Bigfoot lately? I'll just ask, you know, what kind of wildlife you've seen? Have you ever had anything that's unusual happened down here with wildlife? You can't explain. And then people will talk about stuff. So I would hear the term booger a lot. that was used quite a bit

I had someone said I don't know about no big foot y'all believe in but one of my buddies saw a booger down on the Sabine River and he described this friend of his that went out because something was in his garbage he lived on the edge of the river in a can and he brought his 22 out and the headlamp thing's about to shoot a coyote

and he goes out there and this seven foot tall dark brown hair colored booger stands up and looks at him and walks off down by the river so there are places like devil's pocket You know, I think where names come from. People talk about swamp devils and bush apes. So there was more of that kind of thing.

And then as the internet grew and people, there definitely was a disconnect between people thinking, even if like Ledger to Boggy Creek, you look back at that, Bigfoot's mentioned like once in one section of it. I remember that one guy, is this maybe one of them soft squashes or something on there? It was funny. But, you know, it was looked at as something else. So the Internet rising and shows like finding Bigfoot getting popular kind of showed that there was a similar kind of sighting happening in different parts of the nation. And so that really changed the dynamic of people opening up and sharing stories.

But that's a long-winded way. But there are a lot of reports historically that go back and people having strange things happening around their camps and things like that. But one thing I want to say, when I filmed with Animal X 20 years ago with my good friend, Dr. Natalie Schmidt and Daniel Searle, who also was there, they were surprised being from Australia at the forest that we have. You know, there are 16 million acres of forest in East Texas. So that's the size of multiple southern states, you know. So there is plenty of forest, and there are a fair amount of these dense creek and river. bottoms. And once again, going back to Legend Body Creek, what does it say? He always travels to creeks, right? Well, that I believe is true. If you look at these reports, they pretty much all come

within close proximity of a river or a creek bottom. And I think all of that together makes it a good area for analog. Plus, the game is abundant. There's huge populations of feral hogs, good populations of white tails, a lot of beaver, a lot of nutria, a lot of small game. And so there's food and there's cover. And there's these creek and river bottoms that allow, you know, good travel corridors or something like that to stay sort of, you know, to travel into areas that remain for the most part unnoticed. That makes perfect sense. Thank you. You know, having these connections within, from what I can tell you, you have interactions within the wildlife community down there, definitely.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's my real. That's what I really do. Yeah, okay. Cool. Bigfoot's like a fun little side part of what I do, but I really involved in wildlife conservation work. So my heart, if Bigfoot was proven like, okay, we've definitely proven Bigfoot don't exist.

Okay, it was fun. I had a good time, right? What did I hear? I don't know, but whatever, but I'm still a wildlife fanatic and my heart is for the conservation of our land and resources and things like that. So I look at things as wildlife first. I go and look at it like if this is the real thing that really is flesh and blood, which I do believe it's got flesh and blood, there may be extra abilities.

I don't know that. I'm a wildlife journalist. I don't cover that. I cover what crosses into the wildlife world. So I have to look at it from what would benefit, for example, something I've really been digging into is feral apes and primates in the United States. That was my seminar series that all across the Bigfoot venues last year. was ferrol apes and primates.

And is there the kind of land and foods and things that would make them thrive in certain areas? And if there are something that can make a three or four hundred pound primate thrive, then maybe there's something that can make these things thrive as well. That's extremely interesting. Being someone who's very into conservation then, have you ever had the thought about, okay, so what happens, you know, science proves that yes, Bigfoot is 100% real. Then what is our responsibility as the people who are super into it? Okay, are we, we're going to have to stand up like crazy for conservation for this?

Or do you have any thoughts about this? I actually have deep thoughts about it. Okay. It's in my book. All right. But back in 2000, I think it was four, three or four, I put together. a loose group of people and we were calling ourselves.

We just kind of said if it's proven, we're going to have to get together and advocate for conservation. Not in like a way we do land grabs and all that kind of stuff, but like to let people know, look, this is the species. It's important. We've got to know more about them.

We've got to figure out what kind of habitats are important, habitat connectivity. All those things are talk about the news now, and we called it the North American Primate Conservation Alliance. and it was me and my friend Chris Stevens and Scott Marlow who passed away and Ken Gerhard was involved. And, you know, it just faded away as we all had different interests take away. And I thought at that time there might be some proving of it happening, which never happened.

But I do think this, I think, let's just take the South right now. I travel a lot. Like I was in Cape Cod filming last year with White Sharks and then I was in Texas and then I was in, you know, Montana last year. So I'm over a lot of different places, and the amount of development happening right now is unprecedented. Unprecedented. And we're losing land and we're cutting off travel routes for wildlife at an alarming rate. I mean, frightening for me as a wildlife lover. And so we've got to look at things like travel corridors.

But I think in the South in particular, the thing that's going to be the big issue is going to hurt a lot of wildlife. is going to be water. And all the water in America is in the south. I mean, that's where most the water is, right? The south, a little bit, the northeast, with the Great Lakes and all that, of course, up there in that part of the country. But in the south, we have major reservoir construction projects on tap,

and there's multiple reservoirs they want to put here in East Texas and Louisiana that if they do, will take up many hundreds of thousands of acres of wildlife habitat that will never come back. And so I think looking at issue, like that is important, not just for Bigfoot, but for everything. That's extremely interesting. I have these episodes sometimes where it's like, you know, these individual will see

Bigfoot on the outskirts of a city or things like that. And I get a lot of feedback like, okay, that's kind of ridiculous. But then it's like, guys, like, look at what's happening. We are just going, going, going. And we're going to run into Bigfoot eventually. So I'm glad you brought that up. I think going back to what you ask about East Texas and all these reports, I think a huge reason for what seems to be other than, you know,

we have communications vastly improved with the internet. But I think the other reason there's a lot more reports is because people are running into them more. There is vastly more highway and roadways in development and housing developments. And it's like everything else, there's a lot more human wildlife conflict. going on you know you're there's a lot more people getting attacked by animals i mean the dark others podcast has tons of shows on that because of this habitat clash and let me say this it's not ridiculous for people to think there could be a big foot on the edge of a city why would that be ridiculous i don't i've heard that people say that it's not ridiculous at all i mean there is a

mountain lion up until these recent fires lived behind the hollywood sign in hollywood okay wildlife adapts and these things adapt to. And the other thing is, I believe people see them a whole heck of a lot more than they report. I believe people see them and say, oh, that was a person or that was my imagination. And they don't want to admit what they saw. And so I think even around some of these urban and suburban centers where there's good tracks of land, all of them have drainage ways that go in and out of, perfect area. A matter of fact, some of those areas are treaded on less than some of the national forest we have. People don't go in the cities around the wooded areas much in cities, a whole whole lot less than Central Park in New York, maybe a hiking trail. But there's a lot

of green belts and stuff that are on private land no one goes into. That would be an even better area for some. It's proven a huge boon to feral hog populations, for example. So, you know, huge boon. They're like sanctuaries for hogs. You can't go kill them in there. You know, you can't take your, you can't take your AR at night and go in the middle of downtown Houston and start busting a cap on some, you know, some feral hogs, you know, and, but they're all over. So I think there's opportunities even for things like this to take advantage of some of this areas. So, so you have feral hogs in the middle of downtown Houston?

Oh, there's feral hogs in downtown Houston. I've seen my own eyeballs, but they're there. There's feral hogs in all over San Antonio areas. There's feral hogs in Austin. Ferrell hog, there was a 400-pound hog caught a couple years ago at a bus stop in Tampa, Florida. for kids. Oh my goodness. Oh, yeah.

There's actually a number to call in Austin when you see a hog. So they're all over the place. And so animals adapt more. You know, people watch these documentaries and they're like, you know, whatever. But wildlife adapts and there's a point where, you know, there's only so much curing capacity of land, you know. But just because there's some development doesn't mean that something can't live there. However, the chances of encountering what lives there goes radically up. Wow.

I'm going to be thinking about feral hogs hanging out in the middle of big Texas cities. That's crazy. I'll send you a link to the article I did one. I've had my own encounters. Like, I've got game cam photos of some. And the biggest hog I ever saw in my life, and I've seen probably 10,000 feral hogs in my life, was outside of a seafood restaurant one night. it's like in the parking lot you know oh my goodness was this like a multi or few hundred pound

hog too like oh it was more than a few hundred this is the biggest hog i've ever seen so we're talking to hog this was one that was in the 500 plus category which i've only seen in my life three hogs i think that would have tipped the scales bigger than that's category and oh yeah i've got I've got barrel hog pictures in the city. They're all over the place, man. They're like, and they're real smart. So they're like, what happens is all of these cities have drainage systems. And what is on the edge of all these drainage systems?

Acreage. It might be open grass. It might be brush. And these things, where do they go out to, a river, a bayou, which has travel corridors, riparian areas. Hogs love, they love to be around the water. So they just travel up and down these things and they'll go in the city and hang out. If they get hunting pressure on the edge of the woods,

they'll just go back into the city. Do you think this is also the same case? I don't know if you're familiar with San Antonio area at all. Oh, yeah, I'm in San Antonio a lot. Oh, wow. Okay, so that makes, so I've gotten a lot of reports from San Antonio, and there's a green space that goes right through the middle of San Antonio. Tons of Bigfoot reports.

And I mean, if you've got... Oh, really, yeah. That's interesting. They're Bigfoot reports inside San Antonio. Yes, a ton. That's interesting. I'm in San Antonio a lot. My favorite Mexican restaurant there is called Mityares. We go there's a 24-hour one. I love, I have to go. If I go through San Antonio, we've got to go to Mitiars. But I love San Antonio. And yeah, there's a lot of hogs around parts of San Antonio, too. And a lot of, there is a lot of riparian, like, areas within the drainage of like the San Antonio River and all that part with creeks that flow through that because I fly fished that before several times. And that's interesting. Funny thing about San Antonio. I didn't know there was some legend of the donkey woman. Mm-hmm.

Something they called, there's something they called, and this wonderful young girl had these really cool decals she had done of different, like, crypto legends, and one of them was the donkey woman. And I laughed for four hours looking at this picture, thinking about the donkey woman. So I had to buy that thing. And I haven't found a good place to stick it yet. But I'm just, when I'm ready to smile, I'm going to think about the donkey woman of San Antonio. There you go.

Absolutely. By the way, just for the record, I would be far more frightened than what, seeing a donkey-headed human in a dress, then I would have Bigfoot. Yeah, I don't know. It might be a toss-up for me, but I think I'd be freaked out by either one. Yeah. Going off of your connections, if you can't answer this, there's no problem. But have you ever had any interactions with, you know, law enforcement or forestry or

park rangers about Bigfoot down in Texas? I have never had Forest Service. A friend of mine, Rob Riggs, who passed away about 10 years ago did. He had some good sources in the Forest Service. Very legitimate journalist. He was a newspaper man for years. I have had police, though. I've had a couple of police officers telling me some pretty cool stuff.

That's awesome. Good, good stuff. You know, it's something we might not talk a lot of, well, really never, but so you mentioned that you were, up filming a thing on Cape Cod about some sharks? Yeah, I was up doing some work, some media work with Great White Sharks. Yeah, so, yeah, I am working on a project right now, and I have a blog called Gulfgratewhites.com, and it is all about the return of the Great White to the Gulf. And I've been covering this story for 20 years.

It's a passion of mine. My favorite animal in the world is a great white shark. and I was the weird kid who saw Jaws and want to get in the water. So we have a very special project coming up this June that coincides with the 50th anniversary of Jaws will be releasing about sharks. So I'm pretty excited about that. And if you want to tune in some really interesting stuff in the Gulf, my blog has a database of sightings, anecdotal sightings. And then there's really cool things out there you can contact.

There's the Shark Tivity app of the Atlanta White Shark Conservancy that shows. those satellite pings of satellite tag wipes is also the shark tracker app by Osearch. Those are free apps. So people can check that stuff out. And I just love all that stuff. That's awesome. Something I've been asking people that are, you know, investigators, researchers and things of that nature is.

So if you're going out, let's say you're going out to look for Bigfoot, do you have a, do you have anything you follow about, okay, first I'm going to do this or are you one of the people that, you know, you're more going to start knocking on trees or maybe you have a different approach? There's a couple of things, number one, that I make sure and not do, which I think is more important. Okay, number one thing is I don't announce where I'm going, ever, you know, me and a friend or two that we go, I don't recommend people going alone, you know, the too many creepos in the woods. And plus, you know, there are a lot of people that think these big foots are like hippie peasnicks from the 60s and stuff. but like we don't know what they are and there isn't an animal on the planet including white tail deer that hadn't killed folks so let's not treat a potential eight foot tall primate as if it's a peacnick we don't know what we're dealing with so be careful you know just use common sense you know and so i don't help i'm i go never go alone and i don't announce where i'm going that does a couple of things number one is safety in numbers but you don't want people to come in and mess up your area and fake things.

So if you're trying to have integrity about tracks and calls and stuff, someone wants to go out there and mess you up, which people would do these days. Keep your area quiet. Does that make any sense? No, that makes perfect sense. Yeah. And that way you got integrity about,

I've got spots that we found on like tracks and things before. And no one had ever mentioned Bigfoot there. You know what I mean? It wasn't like, so that to me is a lot more. to be real than if you put something out, I'm going to go out to the Big Ticket Nest Preserve in the Turkey Creek unit this weekend and you announce whatever.

Vla-W-W, there's a big line of tracks there. Huh, really? I don't know. So that's something I definitely don't do. And I think the best thing to do is just go out there and set up and walk out, look for tracks and stuff. You look for tracks, look on the edge of trails. If you see game trails,

you almost never would find a track in the middle of it, but I find them on the edge of it, like walking the edge. also look, you know, look all over, look for areas where, like, you know, we have a ton of, in the summer, in late spring, we have a ton of banana spiders and they're just billions of them in the woods. I know, if you see an area where, you know, these banana spiders might have a web that's three feet tall, up to eight feet tall, and you have a whole area that's a giant trail that's not a hard-hooked animal tracks, like deer or hogs or even humans walking through, but a light trail that goes up seven or eight feet cutting through the middle. banana spiders. Something's walking through there. So look at little details like that. And the best thing to do, I think, is just to go out and in a night, sit in a spot,

makes you a campfire or something like that, get some good audio recorders and just listen. I think listening is the best thing to do. And I think you're more likely to have them come check you out than you ever go out and find them. I agree. I agree with that. I mean, Texas is sounding wilder and wilder. You're talking about huge spiders and huge hogs and long, man, I don't know. I didn't pay about the snakes yet.

Oh, no. Not a fan. That's crazy. We have rattled snakes up here in Iowa, but they're few and far between unless you go to certain areas. But we've got a lot of cotton mouse in East Texas and a lot of copperheads. And cotton mouse are really nasty. We got timber rattlers, then in South Texas around San Antonio, all that. Of course, Western Diamondbacks.

you know, that's just part of the gig. I brought a friend of mine down here, hog hunting one time. He went out, he was from New York. And when he went back home, he called me and said, when you come deer hunting with me, you're going to have to worry about two things, getting cold and falling out of your tree stand. He goes, in Texas, I had to worry about killer bees,

giant feral hogs, rattlesnakes, cotton mouths. They didn't know which way to look, you know? Crazy, crazy stuff, but it is, it's a state with a lot of really cool accounts coming out of it for sure. Yeah, man. Something I do want to, I'm pretty sure you had said that a white-tailed deer has killed a person. Is that right? Oh, yeah, many times.

Many times. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Matter of fact, a white-tailed deer, a captive white-tailed deer when I was probably 20 years old, started out, my career killed a guy about five miles from my house. Oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah. With their hooves?

With their antlers. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Okay. So when they're in the rut, a white-tailed deer is very, very, very driven. It's driven of an animal as exists on the planet. And if someone gets in their way or, you know, you happen to be in a park and think, oh, there's deer locked up fighting. Let me walk up and get a selfie.

You know, one of those bucks gets loose and they come get you, you know? So, you know, nature, you just got to respect nature, you know. Makes, makes total, total sense. Chester, it has been just a pleasure chatting with you today. Thank you for coming on this show. But I want to make sure that we take some time at the end. If you want to share again how people can, you know, keep up to date with you and, you know, listen to your podcast and where the best place to pick up a copy of your book is as well. Thank you so much.

You can catch me at the Chestermore. that's T-H-H-H-HE-V-Chester more on Instagram. I'm on Instagram all the time. Highercalling.net is my blog, but Dark Outdoors, the podcast on all major podcasting platforms, please go subscribe everything from true crime to terrifying cryptic encounters on dark outdoors. And you can go to Bigfoot South.com. Also, I have a Bigfoot YouTube channel, Global Bigfoot,

that I've developed, slowly developed, but it's getting some good content, global Bigfoot. But also, my heart is I have a ministry outreach for hurting children. I love wildlife, but I love kids. even more. And we have an outreach that grants wildlife encounters for kids to everything from a terminal illness to parental loss. And if you know of a wildlife-loving kid that might want a wildlife encounter, a special wildlife, going to give them a boost in their life, please reach out to me and go tochester atchestermoor.com or go to kingdom zoo.com from more info on that. And we have done

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