Bigfoot Society - The Dangers of Bluff Creek / Post BC19 Expedition with Tate Hieronymus and Ron Read

Episode Date: August 18, 2023

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If we kept going, someone was going to get really hurt. Welcome back to another episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast in this episode. I talked to good friends of the podcast, Tate Hieronymus and Ron Reed and Bandit 2, all about their BC-19 expedition out there in Northern California in what actually all went down. So you're not going to want to miss this episode. If you're new to the podcast, make sure that you subscribe doesn't cost a thing. And do me a favor. Please share this episode with a friend.

That also doesn't cost a thing either. I've already taken up enough of your time. So let's get on with this week's episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Tate Hieronymus and Mr. Ron Reid about their BC-19. They are still out there in the California area, the Northern California area. But Tate and Ron, how are we doing today? Beat up and battered.

Yeah. I've heard some things and I've read some things, but I haven't read and watched all of it because I wanted to hear the story directly from you guys. Yeah, that's probably good. Let's start with this. Where are you guys at right now? We're actually on the side of the China Flat Museum in Willow Creek, California. Yeah, that's where they have

a lot of the famous Bigfoot collection, the footprints, original footprint cast. Bob Titmus, Al Hodgson, and all these just different original tracks from the Bluff Creek area are here. That's awesome. So it's like the museum

where you have the very large wooden cut out of the Bigfoot on the side of the museum, right? Yeah, that's right there. We're pretty close to the New McLaren-O-Mawatt statue as well. Yeah, but I had some biscuits and gravy, some hash browns.

At the Bigfoot Steakhouse, it's like my place to go to anytime here in town. So, yeah, it's the first time Ron had a steak there at the Bigfoot Steakhouse. Ron, how is Bandit? doing? Man, it's doing good. He's anxious right now because there's some dogs just across the field

here. Even more dogs are coming. Yeah, there's people, everyone's bringing their dogs here to hang out in the shade next to the museum. I don't know what that's about, but he's doing okay. He's been walking around with me. He's been following me on all my, my little adventures up and down the trails, looking for hair samples out in Bluff Creek. So he's doing pretty good right now. I don't want to assume that all listeners know who you guys are because I do have some new ones because of recent episodes. So do you mind if we take a few minutes, Tate, I'll have you introduce what listeners should know about who you are and then we'll head on over to Ron. Yeah, let me address the elephant in the room. So any people listening, there's a lot of background ways, is because we're in town and we're doing the interview.

We had the scheduled. So we did the first one with you a while back before this trip. And this is the fall. And so we're in town doing that. That's what the background noise is. But that's to get the elephant out of the

elephant in the room to address that. But, okay, me, I'm Tate Hieronymus and I am a Bigfoot researcher. I've been researching Bigfoot in California. California, Florida, a couple times in Oregon, once in Washington, kind of all over the U.S. And then I'm working on my documentary series, Sasquatch Research for Sabae.

And that's what we're currently up here for. So that's a little bit about me. All right. My name's Ron. I've been a researcher for, oh gosh, I'm like, as an armchair and field researcher, I've almost hit 20 years, I think. I'm like 18 years in it. But I manage a Facebook page called Trailing Giants, where I'm going to have some content blossom from that.

And I don't know, I guess I'm a Bigfoot researcher, and I've got a little training and certification in environmental field technician role, and that's got some emphasis on conducting wildlife surveys and stuff like that. And then my dog, Bandit, has been my big footing travel companion for 12 years now. And he is a great dog. Listeners, if you haven't already, there's like 70 episodes with Tate because he's the man.

And there is one full episode with Ron. I'll have those linked in the show notes. So you can go back and find out some more about these guys from earlier as well. but you guys are specifically out there in northern California for the expedition. I'm really excited to hear how that went. The great news is that you guys are alive, which is, you know, number one, we can tell that because we're talking to you. But how did things go for you guys? Well, we didn't really go 19 miles.

We went not even one mile. Let's just address that real quickly. We were kind of aware, like, at beginning, part of the hype was going to be really, really, like, hard. But we didn't think it was going to be, like, a constant battle the whole way through with no breaks in between. So, you know, it started out fine, but nature has a really good way of humbling you. and it just shows you how hard the terrain is here in the area

we don't how far did we get we didn't even get a mile yeah we had gone a mile in and then hiked a mile out and we were physically exhausted and drained and it's like

if we kept going we were going to get hurt and uh kit moral was really good and suggesting that we turn around and go back in camp at this one spot we kind of saw earlier in the day. And that's basically what we did. We hiked up and we turned around and went back because we were just all just exhausted.

My feet were killing me. People fell down several times. Our shins were bloodied and cut. If we kept going, someone was going to get really hurt. And so Kip made a suggestion, we all agreed on it. and that's what we did. And because of it, everything worked out for the best. I'm pretty sure that Kip probably saved at least one life or kept people from getting very hurt.

So I'm glad that you guys made that decision. Yeah, the weird thing was when we were doing it, it's like when we were standing up and walking, we felt like we had energy. But as soon as we sat down and laid out for a minute, our bodies could feel the fatigue. we're like, oh man, yeah, if we kept going, we were at where the daylight ends, and you're walking downstream, and it's not like little rocks,

you're boulder hopping over like five-foot-tall boulders and logs and bushwhacking and creek crossing. And some of the creek crossing areas, the current's pretty strong in you up to your waist in it. So it was definitely a wise decision to do what we did, And even though we didn't reach our goal, you know, we still got to see areas of Bluff Creek. I don't think anybody has seen. And I don't know how long.

Yeah, I mean, we only made it that one mile up. But we didn't see a single piece of trash or litter. Nope. From any time. Like, I was expecting to see, like, an old Coor's can from, like, 40 years ago. Some drunk that made his way up. there, but not even, not even that. It's like no, no trash, no rappers, no anything.

Like, that was, that was a little weird. And just so that listeners are aware, if you forget the other interview, you were hiking up the middle of the creek, which, I mean, these are rapids, very high water. You're trying to, you know, go over wet, wet logs and stones. and potentially almost twisting your ankle or worse. Yeah, yeah, it was definitely not for the faint of heart. And I think the other reason we turned around is because we realized our packs are also just a lot of weight. Like, without our pack, it would have been a lot more doable. I think we were talking about this when we camped that night.

We were just like thinking, man, if you really wanted to do this, you could, but it would still be a pain in the butt. you would have to have like a 20 pound pack with just the bare essentials of stuff. Yeah. And that's really about it. Essentially, like we had determined like you'd have to run the shoot, the four mile distance

until our next checkpoint with ultralight gear that if you got hurt, you could overnight it and you'd have provisions. Right. But like, yeah, to get such a loadout down to a science, you'd really have to like be into backpacking for several years.

Like I think I have some suggestions to get that weight down, but then I don't know. It's it's it was just like we weren't really equipped for an ultra light hike and the conditions were just pretty brutal and forgiving. And there would there was never a survey or any body of information of how long that was going to be like that. And whether or not there would be game trails we could dive off in. walk for half a mile or so. We were really hoping there would be something working in our favor. And once we started our hike, it was just the same for working against us conditions, like the whole mile.

And it wasn't like... And we predicted that that was going to continue for a while. For the four mile stretch. Yeah, because it wasn't like you boulder hops with a few boulders for about 50 feet, and then there's like 100 feet of, you know, flat creek walk. No, it was like boulder hopping by, foot rocks and another five foot boulder hopping creek crossing then you bushwhacked and you go back into the creek then you boulder hop over into the more bushwhacking it was just one thing after

another um i took the first spill of the hike no i don't think anybody saw it's on gopro um and honestly it was kind of refreshing pulling down on that cold water creek because it gets hot up there when you're hiking that. But nobody got seriously hurt, which is the main thing. And again, you know, it's just a cool story to tell now

and then it's going to give us a lot more information when we revisit this in the future for sure. Absolutely. Ron, how did how did it bandit do with going through that water? It seemed like

it was pretty deep from what I've heard. So if we'd find out that the water wasn't really the issue with Bandit. So, I mean, there was stuff that none of us would cross, right? There was white water torrents. You know, even if we dug in our poles and we just fought it, we were still going to, we were top heavy and we would have tumbled over and all of our camera equipment would

have been ruined. So we were avoiding a lot of the water that would sweep Bandit downstream because it's sweep anybody downstream. Bandit had some trouble, like, getting up and over the boulders. And, you know, looking at it now, I mean, he's a 13-year-old dog. And I don't really know. I mean, we were wondering if he could navigate his own way around some areas along stream banks, but those steep canyon walls wouldn't really allow him to do that.

So, I mean, I literally, I had like a life jacket on him with a handle, and I picked him up like a suitcase for every rock, every boulder that I had to then climb up myself. And Banda was kind of the smart old man, and he just kind of looked at me and was like, I'm not going to try to jump over that. I can't do that, you know? So he really just had to plant Once I picked him up and lifted him to that level And

But that started to take a toll on like my lower back after doing that for a full day You know seven or eight hours of hiking and it was like and I was lifting a A 60 pound pack and a 70 pound dog and it was like it was a little bit too much after a while And I started to feel that strain and I knew that if I left bandit to his own devices he was just going to stay in one spot or or Or injure himself trying to to navigate around. So he tried a little bit, but mostly he just kind of looked at me like, I'm not capable of doing this. So you're helping me, right, Dad, you know?

Right, yeah, there you go. Yep, dear the dog dad. So you got to make it happen. The water aspect of it, that was one thing, is Bandit was as little as he would put effort. He was tired, you know, being lifted and picked around and stuff. But when we get in the water, he still had enough reserve strength. I was kind of impressed with him. He was still a strong swimmer.

And all I had to do was, like, guide him in the right direction when we got across those stream crossings. He's become quite the swimmer. We've been doing a little bit of swimming in creeks and stuff, and I put his life jacket. And that's kind of like, you know, as he's older and he has a little bit of arthritis and stuff. We do that what they call it aqua therapy or something like that, you know. And, you know, so that was. really in some cases that was a strong suit. But there were a few times Tate had to wait halfway out and catch him before he got swept into a current.

So it's definitely work that we had to work out. Like, you know, Jonathan had to help me pick Bandit up a little bit. And Tate had to wait out and meet me halfway in some of the stronger currents. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. Let's go, girls. So this is the little pink pill. Everyone's been talking about. Yep, that's Addy.

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Yeah, yeah I had to wade back out, yeah So I'd had to go across the stream crossings Like three times And then Kip was staying pretty busy Trying to find the pathways That all of us could walk You know, his situational awareness

As a retired pilot firefighter. Like, he was really, like, blazing the trail and helping us find out where to plan our feet. And it was, and blazing the trail, I think it was a team effort because we would look at a creed crossing and be like, hey, what do you think about this? Where should we cross? There's really methodical of how we would do it so we wouldn't get hurt. I was the rock climber.

I tried to get the high ground and look down and see what we could see. So everybody had an important role on the hike because of those people. I think maybe if it had been other people, things would have gone worse, you know? Yeah. Like, you never know, like, what the situation, but, like, I know the group of people that we had for sure. Um, it went really well. Um, yeah, it's definitely, definitely would kick your butt. Um, it was funny because the day of the hike, Lynn was, like, round dwarf.

He was like, um, yeah, I'm not, not feeling good. so I'm going to stay back. And he he'd get back after the hike, you know, and he's like, yeah, I knew it was going to be a pain

if that's why didn't go. How many people ended up going on that on the BC 19 then? So it was myself, Ron, Kit Morrill, and Jonathan Easley and Bandit.

Okay. Gotcha. Were you guys able to get actual footage of the, of that, that mile of hike Oh yeah

Oh yeah we did Yeah so that'll be out in the They'll be out in the search Rasabi episode Coming out probably in a few months It'll also be in Western Bigfoot Explorations

Documented Johnson Easley's And then I'm sure you We're gonna have I'll work it into something somewhere On Facebook All Yeah. So, yeah, the hike, you know, unfortunately we didn't reach our goal, but things worked out for the best.

And you know what? There's going to be a lot of people. There was definitely a lot of eyes looking on me. I know that because I talked about it a lot. But at the same time, it's like, the people that went on my hike had the balls to do it. And we all parts of Black Peak that nobody's seen in a long time. and, you know, obviously doing this, it's going to be better. It helps us to be, to go about the hike differently when we revisit this in a couple of years.

Yeah. Kip kept telling me, you know, we talk about this after the fact, and he kept telling us, you know, hindsight's 20, 20, you know, and you didn't, going into it, we don't know what we don't know. Yeah. And so, like, now, like, all the times that we were out there wondering, well, how do we get in this situation? Oh, it's because we didn't get this beforehand, you know, so now, you know, we'll be doing, you know, if we reattempt something like it, you know, we'll do some more scouting and take a few less risks, you know, like I think bandits retired from any, any Bluff Creek hiking, you know. he's uh he's still doing a lot of like trail walking and stuff with me but i would never ask him to go through a creek like that again yeah so we uh we do plan on revisiting revisiting this in the future um we have a better game plan i don't really want to say what that is because for one i don't really want to be responsible for anybody else trying our game plan and getting hurt because of it

so i'm not saying that what the plan is but we don't really want to be responsible for anybody else trying our game plan and getting hurt because of it so i'm not saying that what the plan is but we do have a plan we I think we have a longer time frame of what the time frame should be to do the hike um because you know the place where we're going to start out next time you can hike up a one mile and then it could be really bad so you don't really know um how bad the creek will be um because what 19 miles of that creek, I think maybe five or six miles of it, maybe eight have been explored total. So that's still like 10 miles of creek that's unexplored. Yeah.

So that could all be very bad, you know. You decided we're not going to go any further and you had the emergency camp. You had to make emergency camp. Can you talk a little bit about what that was like to have to make an emergency camp that wasn't the place that you were planning to stay at that night. Yeah, so it was, let me put this in perspective. Like, Boulder crossing, you're talking about five-foot rocks and then one after another bushwhacking.

Like, how can they only make it not even a mile in a day? How many hours it took? It took like four or five hours to just do what we did? Yeah, I thought we did six or more. So six hours. Oh no, maybe you're right. Five or six hours. Yeah, so it was a long time.

That just shows you how bad the terrain is. And then there was four more miles you would have to do. And I think there was only four hours of daylight left with four miles left of creek walking. Yeah. There's no way we're going to make it. And so to make the decision, it was a little disappointing, but it was the right call in the end. like I said. And the place we found wasn't terrible.

It was actually pretty cool. Yeah, I didn't mind it. It was eventually after taking some time to get the camp ready. It was kind of comfortable. It worked, you know. Yeah, I think Ron was like if you spend a couple more days or you could get it pretty nice to camp out for a few days. Yeah, I was constantly digging rocks out from under my back as I was laying there.

Then it's like once you get a good bed. laid out, then it wouldn't be bad. You're underneath this overhang. There's like a creek right there. You're where nobody can get to you, so you're pretty safe from human-wise. Any animal, I'll tell you, you'll hear them coming for sure. And the stars are beautiful right there. It's pretty cool, cowboy camping just on the creek like that.

And cowboy camping on the creek where nobody is probably a cowboy camp or camp ever. So that's cool. So as far as I know, we're the first people to do that. So that was special. And at the end of the day, you did get to a spot that was pretty remote, which is awesome. And it sounds like in the future, this may lead to even further expeditions, which would be very cool. So after, did you guys go back to the headwaters to exit the expedition? or what was your kind of, you know, how did you leave this whole creek area?

Yeah, so the, you know, you have to exit where you started from. You decide to you probably 400 feet canyon walls that you're not going to climb out of. You're going to have to walk back the way you came. So we walked upstream when we started the hike and we had to walk down the same stream. which hiking downstream is actually more dangerous than hiking upstream. Because when you're hiking downstream, slippery rocks, the current is working with you, and it could just go off your feet a lot easier than if you're working against the current,

which sounds kind of backwards, but it's not. I think anybody who's done a lot of creek walking would probably say it's better to go upstream than downstream if you're doing a creek. there's a lot less risk involved by doing so absolutely and so after after you made it out of the creek and then i would assume you're making some phone calls um was that was it then go up to uh the film site or what was the uh you know you kind of had to make new plans pretty quick of of what you were going to do i would guess yeah we kind of we um we kind of abandoned the hike idea to table it for a future year.

And then we just kind of focused on doing research at that point. So we stayed, I think we stayed at the cell site. We went down to the berm one night. We went down, and then we just drove her all around the whole Bluff Creek area, just camping around different spots and stuff like that. And that's really how the rest of the trip went, which is 10 enough different spots we wanted to camp at for a few. your nights and uh you know it worked out okay so it wasn't it wasn't like a waste of time or

anything it was all good um you know obviously like i said there's going to be a lot more planning we're going to do for this hike in the future so when we do it we can we can get to our goal and reach it you know and stuff but um we did go down to the film site for a few hours Yeah, we hung out. We had a good time down there. Yeah, and then actually the day we were going to go to Nogo Valley, we actually went to the film site instead, but there was, was it a couple? I think it was a couple, right? Yeah.

It was Aaron, and I can't remember what his name was that was with Aaron. but they recognized us apparently because Jonathan went and talked to them and I guess she's like oh I know you Jonathan and she's like watched Jonathan's videos and then I came up oh it's you Tate and then I was like Ron's over there

with Bandit and she's like oh my God and she saw us from like small town monsters and stuff and she had Robert Leibn's Bluff Creek project book and so me and Ron signed that for her and Jonathan and Ron and I took pictures with her and was it her boyfriend

or husband? I'm not sure. I don't know man. I don't know. Whoever she was with, we took pictures with them and stuff. So that was cool. We got recognized for our hard work. There you go. There you go. So how was the how did the film site look when you guys

got down there? Do they look the same as the last time you were or any changes? I think some of the gravel got redistributed from some some waters, some rains and stuff and snow melt. Yeah, it looks a little more clear in there because the Bluff Creek project, they'll just kind of remove dead trees that have fallen over to kind of clear the path.

They don't cut any live trees at all. So it's just more simply just clear cutting just like deadfall and dead trees and broken over, just kind of get those out of the way. So the film site can be less cluttered. it. So that's kind of what they do. I don't want to have you give away the farm, Tate, because I know you are coming out with some things for your YouTube channel. Is there any interesting things that happened when you guys were camping around the area there?

Should I say no comment? What do you think? No comment. All right. All right. Fair enough. Hey, who else was with the group once, I would assume the group was bigger once you guys got, you were at Lowe's camp, right? We never actually camped that last camp.

Oh, okay. But no, like after the hike, it was still, it was me, after the hike, we went to Twin Lakes, and it was you and me, Robert, Robert, Sun Patrick, Stevie, Terry, and Richard. He camped a couple of nights with me. he had a he had an interesting thing with his car that happened so that was fun yeah he's got quite the blog write-up and a video as well have those links in the show notes so people can check that out too but it sounds like richard had quite the time getting out of there and then there was one should we mention what happened We're like walking. No, the hill. Yeah, we, we don't have to. No, you don't have to.

We had, we had some more misadventures with Bandit, you know. He was kind of accustomed with how dark it is out there, and I'm pretty convinced, like, he can still see pretty good at night, but without any, like, light pollution and without, like, a full moon. Like, he couldn't see all that well. And so we were hiking some high ridges and bandit like tumbled off an edge. Had to like slide down 20-something feet and grab them and help them get back up. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors.

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We had a flat, like Richard's, like that a flat tire and stuff. Oh, and a beast. And then we had, I almost messed up my car. You got stuck on a rock. But they had a wench him off the rock. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, but I mean, we're no worse for where. Wow.

Yeah, I think that was that's, if anything, that's what made the trip pretty memorable. It's all the misadventures that we had. Every trip we come up here seems to have a theme for the whole trip. Like, last year, the theme was finding evidence. This year, the trip was close calls. The 2021 was just a bunch of action we were getting. so it's like each year has a different theme and you never know what the theme is going to be were we lucky in terms of like finding big foot this year i don't know we've had i mean we'll never

know our audio recordings and stuff that we haven't played back yet but um but in in the sense of like did we come out of bluff creek alive despite the presence of danger yeah so we're still lucky in that regard we were joking about the bc 19 hike for like for like we're like we're like after after you know after hike interviews and we like we put one of our arms in our shirts and like what was what did you say we're acting like we're we're going to end up losing limbs just at the end of the post interview it'd be like oh we learned something but well we did learn something but we still have all of our limbs so that's good so all of our limbs are attached to our Who was it that called it the BC1?

I think it was Stephen. Oh, I think I heard Kip and Jonathan say it too. I think it was Kim and Jonathan say it too. The BC1. You should make T-shirts with a nine crossed out. That would be awesome. But it's for good reason. That was the BC one.

Oh, man. Hey, we're going to return with vengeance, and we're going to accomplish the hike. And as far as I know, I think that one thing I took away from it, too, was we went through such rough country that Bigfoot himself wouldn't go through there. No.

So it's easier for me to say, well, hey, we were thinking about alternate access points. And now that idea does make a lot of sense because nothing's just going along the, barren canyon walls and just hanging out, you know, like that's, that's like where you chase Bigfoot at the end of the monster movie, and it doesn't have anywhere to go, and then all the hunters, like, shoot it. But that's not a place he would actively choose to go and live, you know? No, no. No, it's not even a place where animals should choose to go. There's no rhyme or reason

for them to go in that canyon. Yeah, there's better water access throughout six, rivers so we just went there because we thought we could and then we had to reevaluate a little bit so yeah like so it was cool cool to see what we saw and you know it's experienced what we all won't forget and like I said I'm excited to revisit this in the future absolutely so there's a there's going to be a lot things that we do a lot differently this time, a lot more planning, a longer time frame, stuff like that. And there's always going to be naysayers about this hike. I know that people are going to comment, well, they're doing this and there.

They're going to say some kind of garbage. You know how it goes, Jeremiah. Yeah, maybe, but who cares? That's where I'm, that's where I'm at, you know. They can say what they want. So it's, it's whatever. hey, I've got a question that maybe I'm going to, you know, maybe an observant listener might have picked up on this when you said it. But what is this No Go Valley that you spoke of really quickly?

So the Nogo Valley is a code name. We gave a place that I cannot say the name at all what it is. I don't really want to say too much about it. So I know there is a lot of people who will be listening and nitpicking at it and trying to figure out where it is. So we call the Valley out of respect, and that's really all I'm going to say about it publicly. Sure. Sounds like it could be a pretty squatchy place. Maybe we'll find out more in a future documentary episode.

Who knows? It was in my California Sabah episode first one, I remember. least. We went Nogo Valley place, but we did a lot more there this time. Yeah, we did a lot more there this time. But we call a Nogo Valley just out of respect.

And I think anybody who really knows the area might know what we're talking about. But outside that, nobody's going to know. And I do it that way because, like I said, it's just being respectful

of people in the area and other people who go to this area too. So, yeah, that's really, that's what that is. Absolutely. You know, something I like about you guys is that you do very unique research methods. And this can be anything from, you know, tape playing bass or musical instrument or you guys sometimes having, I think you had a disco ball type thing once or even like a didgerie dude, were you able to incorporate any unique unorthodox methods that you can talk about this time?

Yes. Yeah. So I came out with a couple of things in my arsenal on this trip. One of the things I got was a hunting blind that they have blinds now that when you, when you're looking from the outside, you can't really see anything on the inside. But then when you walk in, it's like a one-way window. And you can actually see throughout the entire wall. So we sat in some hunting blinds a few times and had some other people kind of out, squatching, like knocking and whooping and just kind of waited to see if anything approached. It was kind of cool to have that technology and to sit kind of in a blind and change our approach a little bit.

and go stealth mode a few more times. But ultimately, I don't think that really, like nothing really became of that. But it's something that could work in the future. We keep utilizing that. Yeah, for sure. But the other thing that I think we leaned more into because it was way more fun for us

was we had a big Bluetooth speaker and a sound-activated laser light show that would generate. images, like laser images of like dolphins and like women dancing and stuff. And like, and we project it like far up and like like a hundred feet away into some like big trees and play music to it. And we're playing like 80s like 80s music, you know, like time cop and stuff like that. And then we're just playing absolutely absurd songs.

Yeah. There's one we played last night called The Fart Song. Yeah, we camp at a place called Beans Camp. And then we finished off our Squatch research to the fart song at Beans Camp. And it's literally just like an 80 style song with just parts. Like techno and, yeah, sound effects. I'm definitely going to have to have that linked in the show notes for sure. It's so good.

But yeah, we were, that was the last song we played that night. That is funny. Tell me more about Beans Camp. I don't think I've heard of this one before. Hold on. So we have a dog encounter going on. Oh, okay, yeah. All right.

Take care of the dog. You're okay, Panthers. No. Now, Beans Camp, I've learned about Beans Camp all, you know, since I've been coming up here, but we finally got to camp there this time. That was my first time camping there. It's a cool little campground. There's like three camp, there's three little camp spots. There's like a little pond area.

Yeah, like a watering hole. Yeah. And this is like the only, this is like the only fixed bathroom like you would have out of public campground in the Six Rivers. or the Bluff Creek area, I would say. So that was kind of cool. But the problem with it is there was, like, no refuse in the actual toilet area. So it was just water. There's a ton of mosquitoes in it.

So I would spray, like, mosquito sprayed down in the hole where the toilet is. And, like, hundreds of mosquitoes would just come flying out. And then you saw the picture I sent earlier in the group chat, but I don't know what it is about the deer in the Bluff Creek area, man, but they're very bold. They'll come up to you, like, within 10 feet of you, and then this one deer, a couple nights ago in our camp,

at Beans' camper just came right up there next to my car, and I was two feet away from it just filming it, like nothing that was going on. It was a weirdest thing, but it was really cool. So, yeah. That's strange. Deer are weird out here. Are there a lot of deer in that area?

Yeah. Yeah, a lot of deer and a lot of bear. Really? Really? I was doing, I'd be walking along trails, game trails, and, like, camp trails and old roads and stuff. And I think I took, like, I took samples, hair samples from like seven or eight different areas out here in the Bluff Creek area. area that like they were they were banged up chewed up trees and there's always hairs on them. And but that's pretty typical like bear like marking.

They're like marking their scent and chewing up a tree and you see that along the game trails a lot. But it was it's still kind of astounded me because we found a couple of them like that last year. And this year is like every camp we went to I'd like come back to my car after like a 10 minute hike and be like, hey, found more hair. and I'd grab my little evidence kit and walk back out. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if anything happens. It sounds like, yeah, quite a bit of hair samples. That'll be cool.

I don't know if you're able to send those off, or I'm sure you have some plan for those, Ron. The good thing about, like, especially, and we found this out last year when we were at Meldrums and we looked at several hair samples at his lab in Idaho. State University was we realized that there were, even though the bear might have chewed up the tree in market's territory and stuff, it was still on an established game trail. So other animals would brush up against the sticky resin from the bleeding sap. And so other animal hairs were

found on the bear tree essentially. So I tried to find as many different looking hairs as I could from each spot. And I think, you know, if I start, um, filtering through them, we might get a couple of different hair types and you might have to compare them to what we can. Interesting. That's what the thing is you might, a bear might have chewed up the tree and left a lot of its hair, but you might find some deer or elk or some other animal hairs on it as well. And that means Bigfoot too.

Yeah. Guys, have you heard of any recent encounters or sightings of any sort in that area? in the areas that you were before you got there? No, the only thing that we heard of was those tracks that Todd samples and Doug Shea found. We talked to them at Wowskamp. We interviewed them, so we talked about it. We went to go, we went to the mile market that they found the tracks at, and we looked, but the way bluff creek is the ground is so dry and hard packed it's not really good for tracks um it

it had to be in really soft soil like near creeks uh or right near like a little pond area um other than that you're just going to have scuff marks in the ground that something did go through there but you don't know what it is so um unfortunately finding tracks is extremely hard here but that's why todd and then got so lucky is because especially on the go road it's 70 miles of road that cuts through the bluff creek area so it's just like a private highway for animals especially in the wintertime um and it'd be easier to walk that in the wintertime than walking through ridges and stuff so a lot of animals are going to be walking on that. It makes sense like that Sasquatches would utilize that.

And it would be easier to find a track in the snow than it would anywhere else in Bluff Creek during the summer. So yeah, I think people looking for tracks in the wintertime, especially here might have their chance than looking for them in the summer here. More Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. Let's go, girls. So this is the little pink pill. Everyone's been talking about. Yep, that's Addy.

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retailer, Mabling, New York. It'll be interesting. I hope I can hope that perhaps Todd and Doug might make an appearance in one of your episodes. We'll see fingers crossed.

It was fun talking to them on Bigfoot Society. They are just a blast. So, we'll see. Yeah, I really like them. They're cool guys. Doug Shea plays guitars. He had like three guitars, and we were playing some guitars with him when we got to Laos camping everything.

And he has a pretty cool rig for camping, so that's, that was cool. Nice. He's like, here in the air, you can stay with us. I'm like, heck, yeah, I will. Do you? Do you? Locals. Nice.

Yeah, exactly. That's the thing, you know, from when I chat with him, it's like they are the home team, they have the home team advantage. They're able to just pretty much go whenever they want, which is pretty, pretty. pretty solid that you have great researchers there that are in close proximity. This is a question for both of you guys. Do you view the area that film site area as an active Bigfoot area or a historical area that is kind of kept up as a memorial? I think it just depends on where the Bigfoot are really.

at that given moment. Because you can have a really squatchy area that's known for a really good activity, but they're just not there, so you're not going to get any action if you're there, you know? It's the true thing with the whole needle in the haystack. The film site has trail cameras everywhere, so I don't know if maybe that plays a part in it or not.

But I feel like the film site area is squatchy because just above that the berm there's some stuff that happens there that's pretty weird and all that that's like maybe that's like not even a mile from like as the crow flies from the film site

to the berm there's some weird things that happen there and then above that there's some things that happen in the cell site which is just above that quite literally just the general area allows camp is only five miles from

there as the crow flies. There's weird stuff that happens there. So the whole area is active. It just depends on what time of year you go. And then if they're there. Any time of the year, I should say, is pretty good. It just depends on if they're there or not at that time. So this might be getting into some of the conclusions that I draw later on

or some of the things that Chate and I will discuss in his content. But, like, this year, like, I don't know if you figured it out at this point, but it's, we're still kind of going through all of our stuff, but it seems like it was a lighter year. And we're trying to figure out, like, what was the cause of that, you know? And the last couple of years, we had some really good activity that we felt strongly was tied to Bigfoot. And I think there's so many people that will come out and they'll, and they might be a big time Colorado Bigfoot research.

or big time Washington and they come through Bluff Creek every now and then, and if they don't time it right, like it's easy to make that assumption that it's all squashed out. There's not a lot going on. But I think Bluff Creek has enough space and wilderness and resources to where, like, whatever population is here, it's not strictly bound to what we know is historical Bigfoot hotspots. Like, and so we were looking at the map of six rivers and we realized

huge area. There's a lot of conditions that are just like Bluff Creek, just a little bit to the east or a little bit up to the north before you hit the Siski use. Or south or west. Yeah. And then even beyond that, it's still pretty doable habitat for something like Bigfoot. Because there's a lot of fresh water. There's creeks everywhere.

There's berries everywhere fresh natural berries that Ronald was eaten and stuff. And so is Jonathan. I've had them before. There's berries here. and then the trail camera photos and we saw him in person we saw there's a lot of deer the terrain is full for them

but it's a million acres or more it's something ridiculous I don't know it's massive some of the most remote country yeah I mean like uninterrupted like continuous this place is so remote like you can get lost very easy

and no one would ever ever find you and that's some be found, you know, and then you're talking about an animal that doesn't want to be found, and like a million or something acres or more, that's going to be very, very, very hard. But there's something like, and before, like, this is kind of how I would sum it up is there's something about Bluff Creek where they do come back. Like there's a couple of places I've been to as a researcher where Bigfoot research is

consistent and doesn't cease, and you're talking about a century of reports. and the Bluff Creek area is one of them. Well, those tracks Todd and Doug found proof that. Yeah, the other spot that kind of is like that for me is Falk Arkansas. You know, you have a lot of, like, man reports in there. So, like, I don't think that, like, Bigfoot's ever going to leave, like, permanently. Like, it's not, it's definitely not, like, somebody's building condos there and his own stomping grounds. Like, it's still wilderness out there.

There's primitive campus. It's not a people who can take RVs out there. They're coming and going. So one of the things that I thought I wanted to do on this trip was I wanted to find a little bit of cell service and deploy a cam to monitor an area in Bluff Creek remotely. And so successfully do that. We got a trail camera. We got two trail cameras out. One cellular, one non-cellular.

Yep. And they're both in areas where we've had stuff kind of happened in the past. And one of them will give me like live updates. if it ever fires off. And so that's something like, hopefully we can get a little more cell reception, find different ways, different access points that have coverage, and kind of add to like what the Bluff Creek project started with their camera deployment and start putting cell cams in appropriate areas to kind of monitor when we're halfway

across or further across the United States. Yeah, so Ron will be a little bit more of that. Yeah, from Wisconsin, I'll be getting updates about whatever's walking around. That's incredible. Ron, does that, I mean, there has to be batteries involved, like batteries involved with those, right? Yeah. The cell camera was a solar charged. Well, I got a panel on that one.

So the other camera, like, it'll go six months to a year. but I've got a battery cartridge that's supposed to do better than standard batteries and a solar panel with a battery pack in it and so like it should it should work for quite some time I'm hoping anywhere from a year to a year and a half and then a two-year mark will go back in and we'll replace it but I'll get low resolution photos from it and then the SD cards will have a higher resolution saved on to the unit itself let's say you get a a low resolution photo and it looks like Bigfoot, but you're halfway across the U.S. where you are. What's the game plan?

Flying out here. We're flying. Well. Point ticket. We're flying. We're flying. We know Todd. We're flying.

We're flying wrong. We're flying. Hey, you tell me about it. I'm getting on a plane. I'm flying out of here. Yeah. Probably most situations I think I can manage. one flight out, you know.

Yeah, we like, we gotta go, we gotta go, we gotta go, we can't, we gotta get on that. We gotta get on that. I'm gonna just, yep, we're gonna fly out here on. I mean, if it was me, I would, I, I would be flying. I would, I mean, Todd and Doug are great, but man, if there's a big foot, I'm like, I'm flying out. We're flying out there to get it, look for it ourselves. It's like, dude, it's, I feel like Ron is saying, oh, we put, we put a trail camera here. We capture a leprechaun with a pot of gold.

Here, let me call a local person. There's a pot of gold up there. Go get it. Okay. That's what you're saying. No, I, first of all, okay, if it was a good enough photo, yes, I would come out. But here's, here's where I would call Todd. I'd call Todd because I don't know if I could secure a roadworthy rental.

Oh, I could. Okay, then. You know, you just, you, for one, you would fly into, like, Sacramento or San Francisco, then they would have a jeeps there. Yeah. I rented a Jeep in Portland. So, yeah, I guess we still are figuring that part out. Man, I would walk that, too. I'd walk there.

It's just a short 19 miles of a movie. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, that's 19, no problem. We'll borrow Richard for you. Guys, last question, and I appreciate you hanging out with me for, it's almost to an hour already. It's gone by quick. But what's next for you guys?

Do you guys have plans for future research expeditions already, or what's coming up? Pretty much. Sasquatchers for Sabby is going international next year. So our first out of the country episode will be filmed next year. That's the plan. That's the plan. That's the plan is we're looking at a spot that is infamous for Sasquatch activity. But for whatever reason, people haven't really been out to it all that much.

But, yeah. I mean, my plan is to go there regardless. I cannot. I'm already skipping out on Bluff Creek to do it. So I'm too invested in it to not pull the trigger on. Wow. If you're skipping out on Bluff Creek, it must be something pretty special. So, yeah, that's what the plan. But that's more on that later, I guess the thing that immediately, like, we just spent

three weeks at Bluff Creek. We're not even done with the California run. And we got a couple of spots that before I met these guys around Laos camp and the Bluff Creek area, I had a couple of spots. like the next couple of nights, I guess the next three, four nights, we're going to be, like, in some areas where I kind of started my big footing. Like, in 2010, there was a spot that I heard some interesting knocks while I was waiting at a trailhead for somebody to come in and pick me up out of the Trinity Alps.

And we're going to try to, we're going to check the status of that area and see about going out there. Then from there, we're going to where I saw some of the city. something that I thought was possibly a Sasquatch in 2018 while hiking the Bigfoot Trail. And Kate's going to be the first person, like in our group besides myself and Bandit, to check that area out. And then we're doing Southern California for a couple of days. Exciting. And then we're wrapping it up in.

Yeah, and then we wrap it up in Iowa with years. Go with me. Jeremiah, me and and a few other friends of mine who are not big footers, but there's actually one other person joining us that is a big footer with BFR.

And then there's a couple people, like three other people that aren't. Yeah, let's hope everyone. I hope so. I'm extremely excited about, I mean, it's just a few weekends away. I'm super excited about it. It's crazy.

You know what's crazy is when you're up in the mountains, you lose track of time how sometimes you don't even know what day it is or how many days you have left and when things have been going the way they are the days are long here i would say pretty pretty pretty fair assessment in my opinion but yeah i'm excited to see both of you guys and it'll be my first time uh being able to do some uh expedition work with ron so that'll be a good time but i appreciate you both coming back on for a post-expedition interview. This has been a fun time. Do you mind, do you guys mind sharing where people can keep up to date with what you've been putting out

with different Bigfoot related things? Yeah. So right now my, my platform is just a Facebook page where I put a lot of links to my other stuff. I got a YouTube account, but it's my name. Google will find it. If you search that name with, like, Bigfoot Sasquatch, you know, then it should, should pop up there. But then, yeah, all of that stuff gets shared on my Facebook page. If anybody has Facebook, it's trailing giants is the Facebook page. And then me, and then me, it's just Tate Hieronymus, H-I-E-R-O-N-Y-M-U-S.

Just my name. It's on YouTube and Facebook. and if you look my name up, you'll see all the podcasts. I'm probably on and all that. And make sure you watch the Iowa episode because I hear it's the highest viewed one. So I don't know why. Guys, I'll be seeing you in a few weeks

and have a good time with the last few nights out there in California, you guys. We shall. Thanks for coming on. Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail.com.

Then we can start the conversation. I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been 20 years, and it's time that you get this off your chest, and then you can get some well-deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening. Let's go, girls. So you've been taking one of these little pink pills daily? Yeah. And you feel...

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