Bigfoot Society - The Dewey Lake Monster Returns with Shayn Jones

Episode Date: September 26, 2024

Join us as we interview Shayn Jones, host of the 'Inquiries of Our Reality' and 'Bizarre Encounters with Shane and Orin' podcasts. In this episode, Shane dives deep into his personal journey with cryptids and paranormal phenomena, including his Cherokee heritage, Sasquatch encounters, and his chilling experiences with astral projection. Shane shares first-hand accounts from his investigations and discusses the mysterious 'Death Walls,' government involvement in cryptid cover-ups, and pale crawler sightings. Don't miss out on these intriguing stories that will captivate any Bigfoot enthusiast!Resources:Shayn Jones links: https://linktr.ee/inquiriesofourrealitypodcastShayn's interview with Ronnie Roseman: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/153-ronald-roseman-sasquatch-reports-ufo-sightings/id1616439552?i=1000627157878Share your Bigfoot encounter with me here: [e-mail] to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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you get a special members-only episode every single week. and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society. And now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, you've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Shane Jones today. You may notice he is here in his awesome studio, and he's from the podcast, Inquiries of Our Reality and Bizarre encounters with Shane and Oren. You may notice him as well.

I believe he is mentioned on The Phantoms and More, Monsters site as well. But Shane, it's great to have you here today. Absolute pleasure to be on the show, man. Actually, we've had a couple different bouncing around type of scenarios where we saw each other at Small Town Monster Fest and we just never came around anything. So, hey, man, it's been a couple years, but it's nice that we're finally able to make this work and we're finally able to have a one-on-one conversation.

Oh, absolutely. You're one of the names on the list. I'm like, oh, man, I got to get Shane on. And I saw you last year in Canton. I was like, yeah. Wait, no, it was this year. A lot has happened this year. Shane, tell me, let's start here.

So tell me how you got into all this. It's craziness that you've got going on with your shows and phantoms and monsters and all that good stuff. I mean, it's kind of somewhat of a long story. And, I mean, just like most people, I kind of dive into all this kind of stuff. I mean, I've had my share of my own experiences. Not too many Sasquatch ones, but I'm sure at some point we'll end up coming back around. I'll end up sharing them today. but having a lot of paranormal experiences, astro-projection experiences and stuff when I was growing up.

But on the other side, of course, digging into more of the Sasquatch side, my grandma was 100% Cherokee. So I grew up with they're telling me different stories about Sasquatch, of course, using different names and everything. But that was one thing that started to spark my interest in the Sasquatch. So it's kind of been this thing that's kind of lingered around my whole life that, you know, I was into aliens. I was into Sasquatch, cryptids, I was into the paranormal and everything. Having my own weird experiences and everything. And then, you know, one day listening to podcasts and stuff decided that I felt like there wasn't a lot of people that would have asked the same questions that I would have asked. So that's when I kind of started getting the idea that I wanted to start up my own show.

So what I ended up starting on my show about was just basically having these open conversations with people, diving into cryptid encounters, people's different research and investigating into cryptids and UFOs, aliens, spirituality, anything open-minded, fringe. And from there, of course, I kind of started to find my path. that started leading me more down the cryptids path more so than anything, because that seemed to be the one that sparked my interest the most. Sasquatch being, of course, my absolute favorite, but I dive into all the different cryptids and everything. So from there, of course, kind of diving into the cryptids and everything, I end up starting up my other show, which is bizarre encounters. And that one, of course, started off like a lot of the really great podcast out there where the intention was to bring in a bunch of encounter reports and that people talk about their experiences

and everything. But as that one started going on, my original co-host ended up leaving the show, just because he was focusing on his own podcast and everything at the time, and it was a side project. So I came around with this guy named Oren, and we had this really awesome back and forth where we kind of get on hinge, joke about stuff, but kind of gets the roots of research, throw our own ideas and theories and everything at it. So when he first started off, started more as that encounter interview type show, and still kind of keeping along the same themes. He was always a researcher. I was always a researcher, so we had like diving into our own research and throwing our own ideas and everything. So we ended up starting to push that show more towards mainly,

us deep diving into different topics, bizarre encounters that people have had pertaining to, you know, cryptids, UFOs, aliens, paranormal, all that kind of stuff. And that's kind of just honestly led me down the way with my podcast and everything that I've been doing. And we started doing presentations and stuff at different events and everything. And along that path somewhere, I ended up tangling with lawn stricler from Phantoms and Monsters. So I ended up becoming the cryptid and paranormal investigator for Michigan and Indiana. And or my co-host for bizarre encounters is the one for North Carolina for Cricketts.

did and a paranormal investigator. So it's been a fun path and there's no end in sight as far as I can see. So I'm having fun with it and taking in weird experiences and, you know, diving into the strange and the bizarre every day because, I mean, if you don't start a podcast and you're not having these conversations on podcasts, there's not people in your normal life to have these conversations with. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that's a, that's a great way to look at that. So you are, are you based out of Michigan or Indiana then? I'm in Michigan. I'm kind of in the Detroit area. So right now I'm kind of in this weird spot where it's like if I go north, there's a lot of cool stuff to look at. If I go south, there's a lot of cool stuff to look at.

But Detroit itself, very city-based. So unfortunately, we don't get a lot of Sasquatch reports or cryptid reports. There's a lot of paranormal stuff, but not enough in the area that I'd like to dive into. So half the time when I go squatch and I'm taking up a couple hours of north, a couple hours to the west. Not too much to actually do in the Detroit area. I mean, there's some sightings a little bit north, but I feel like there's just too much city and not enough room for a squatch to roam over here. Yeah, the only one I've ever heard is when I talked to Violent J from ICP, but that's a different episode. He had a Sasquatch encounter back in the day in Detroit.

But anyways, so you have a Cherokee background, which I find fascinating. I've talked to a few people, witnesses that have had Cherokee, that have a Cherokee heritage, and they have some really interesting things that have happened to them over the years. So did you grow up with talking to any grandparents or relatives about your heritage? My grandma more so than anything. She used to take me to powwows and stuff like that when I was really young, but I don't remember too much of those. But I do remember a lot of the stories that she would tell me.

And the main one that she'd always end up telling me all the time was this whole idea about Sasquatch and the native tribes used to live one-on-one with each other. They used to trade. They used to have communication back and forth. And she basically told me that when the white settlers and everything came, they pretty much gave him this proposition and said, if you guys start trading with them, then you guys aren't going to have contact with us anymore. And obviously, they ended up wanting to trade with the white settlers and everything.

So then that's when the communication kind of broke off and they started becoming this elusive thing, like different variations of that, of course. But that was always the main story that I heard from my grandma more so than anything. Of course, with the random little side stories about, you know, women getting pulled off or taken off by them after all of that went down and everything. And there's just all this like little weird little background details she'd throw in. but the majority of it was usually pertaining back to this event of the white settlers coming and then having that break off.

And fortunately, they went missing for years. They didn't hear too much from them. And then all of a sudden they started popping back up. And I know that at least her grandma had some type of experience. I don't remember too much about it. I just remember her having some sighting when she was a little girl where she was on by the river or something like that. And she ended up seeing this giant hairy man over on the other side.

but I don't remember exactly what time period that was. If it was my grandma's grandma, I'm assuming it had to have been like early 1900s. And that family is from down in Georgia, so I had to have been somewhere down in the Georgia area. I know that she was part of the Red Clay tribe. So I think that's more of the mid-eastern side of the state. So it had to have been somewhere over there in the Georgia area, at least for that encounter, exciting. That's extremely interesting. What a cool childhood that would have been to have access to growing up in,

in an atmosphere of stories like that for sure. Did that, did hearing those and living through those stories as part of your upbringing, did that affect how you view Sasquatch now, or is that view something you've just kind of put together as you've gotten older? Honestly, it was one of those things that it sparked my interest in it, just kind of believing that there was other things that were out there that weren't exactly as mainstream signs would tell you that they are. unfortunately she ended up passing away when I was in seventh grade so she was already gone before I really started getting super heavy into this kind of stuff up until then I mean honestly I was I died into aliens more so than anything but I always took in all of these different side stories and everything like that that she would always tell me so it definitely laid the groundwork to getting where I am now with it but it was one of those things that I kind of set it down for a while and became one of those people that were religiously watched like the NASA cameras and everything and was just heavy into the alien stuff but when I started coming back I was just coming back I was just going back

around, of course, you know, these stories started coming back up in my mind, remembering all this stuff that you would tell me when I was a kid. And it kind of took on its own light from there. Of course, like, I don't necessarily know which camp to fit in with Sasquatch, because there's just so many different experiences and such a vast variety of experiences that I wouldn't be able to gamble and say that I think it's specifically this, this, or this. But honestly, I take in every single theory, I take in every single idea. But at least from the stuff my grandma was telling me, I feel like there is definitely more of an intelligence factor to these things where I don't think that they're just this animalistic type being that just chases through the woods, just destroys things.

And I think that there's like a motive behind that. Like when people have these aggressive encounters, they're trying to push them out of an area. They're trying to keep them away from maybe they're young, something like that. But I think that's usually, that's more so than anything, probably what my grandma telling me all these experiences and stories growing up with is that I have this hankering the back of my mind, that they're not necessarily this like big scary creature that everybody makes them out to be. Of course, you know, you have to kind of take that with a grain of salt because you could go into the woods and, you know, have one of these things to carry you off in a, you know, sleeping bag, you know, like we've heard a couple different experiences of that happening. But I don't know, there's just something in me that tells me these things aren't necessarily as primal as most people believe they are, that it's kind of just something that they put on in order to keep humans away from them.

Because I don't know, I feel like the intelligence factor is there, that they're equal to. us, maybe not necessarily like way smarter than us, but I think that they're at least equal to us in intelligence, up to the point at least, where they kind of have their own tribes, whatever you want to call them, hordes, whatever, usually people you refer to them as tribes, but I think they have their own groups that they stay in and they specifically try to just avoid humans at all cost because they know what kind of death and destruction humans can bring, especially after again, those stories my grandma told me, presumably right after that was on the white settlers started bringing like rifles and all that.

And that's when people actually start shooting at these Sasquatch because an arrow is one thing. But when you actually have an actual gun, I feel like that's when you want to become elusive from these humans because that's when the hunting parties start to come. And that's when they start, you're just trying to take these things down for a trophy. And, I mean, diving in old diaries,

how many times you heard about these men trying to chase down this giant creature just for trophy or game? I mean, there was, was it Roosevelt? Roosevelt actually had an encounter at some point that he wrote about. So, I mean, it's kind of, just they're not referred to as Sasquatch this stuff's hard to find but soon somebody finds something man it gets thrown around the community so everybody becomes aware of it pretty quick it's it's pretty wild and i will definitely agree with you that the entire i think personally

the intelligence at least matches ours i will probably go a step further to say probably a little probably more just as like some i would say at least ours though man there's some wild stuff i mean we We both talk to Ronnie Roseman, right? Mm-hmm. And so, oh, man, that dude has encountered some wild stuff. And, I mean, my listeners, if you enjoy all of the interviews that I've done with Ronnie Roseman, Shane has also been privileged enough to interview him. It was, was it on inquiries that you...

Yeah, it was back on inquiries probably, like, at least four or five months ago, I'd say. I'd have to look back and figure out the exact episode number. But yeah, we ended up spent two hours telling me all about his crazy experiences. And we went beyond Sasquatch, actually. I bet you probably got into, did you get into some of his alien and UFO? Yep. Because he said that that's one of those things. He doesn't know if every single show wants to get into it.

But as soon as he started bringing up alien experiences, I'm like, lay him on me, man. I want to hear him. That's awesome. So I'll, I will definitely make sure I have the link for that in the show notes. so my listeners can check that one out as well because I'm sure they would they would love that. Have you yourself personally been able to go out and experience anything related to Sasquatch or maybe something semi-related? So me and myself, I haven't actually had any first.

I haven't actually had eyes on any of these things, unfortunately. Still trying to. Hopefully I have that experience one day. But, you know, some people go their entire life's never getting it. or they only get it once, but you're not out there and try and then I guess you're never going to have the opportunity to try to do it. But the first time I ended up going squatch and we ended up going to this, I think it was state land actually, and we ended up renting out a cabin for the night. And we ended up being, it was me and one other person. And we ended up being the first people there

and everybody else was going to come in the next morning. So we decided to do a squash hike in the middle of the night. And at least from my experience, I feel like those seem to me the best time to actually possibly actually come across something. And of course you had those accidental encounters during the day, but it seems like these things are more active moving around at night, but I don't necessarily think they're necturnal. I kind of think they do this bounce back and forth thing where they kind of just lay low during the day and then they do their active hunting and everything else they're trying to do during the night. But at least this time, we ended up just kind of going for a walk through the woods, a couple miles out. There wasn't anybody around,

so it's not like anybody else was just trampling around the woods or anything like that. It was just us and miles and miles of woods. And we ended up going for a walk down by this creek. And that's always, of course, one of the first places you want to check just because the mud's soft and you never know what you might actually end up finding there. So we ended up going down by there and didn't end up finding anything there. But we ended up leaving tracks, of course, where we ended up walking across. So we ended up going on this full hike. We ended up going up and around this little valley that dipped down. And we did a couple of wood knocks.

We did some whipping and everything and didn't end up having any results or anything. But we ended up taking the same bath as we came back. We kind of looped and then came back down across the river. and we came back across that creek river, there was our footprints, but going across one of our footprints, there was a giant barefoot footprint that was going sideways across it. And it walked into the creek, and then once it walked into the creek, it kind of went to the center where it was a little bit of a heavier flow, and then they kind of just disappeared into the rocks and everything from there.

But it was just one of those weird things that there's not anybody that's just running around the woods at 3 o'clock at night barefoot with feet that are bigger than our boots. And I've heard of this from a few different people about this. It almost seems like they do this kind of stuff intentionally. That I talked to Rick from I No Squatch, and he'd mentioned that he hadn't experienced like this before where they had no results, didn't find anything, but on their way back, they ended up finding their footprints again and found a giant footprint across their footprints. And at least from the show that I did with Rick a while ago, we kind of came to this

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but it'll throw them off or they'll become paranoid and they'll start like slipping and looking around too much and then they'll make themselves obvious. So we kind of assume that it may have been something like this, which kind of brings in more of the intelligence factor to Sasquatch because for being this primal being, it seems like there you have these weird, like war tactics that they seem to kind of use.

Like you hear about like the death walls or people have different names for them, but they'll make those barricaded walls or they'll kind of corral deer into this specific area where they'll have somebody over at the end of the wall or they'll make this like loop that there's one way in and they'll try to chase them into that. And I don't know, it just seems like they have all of these like weird little like war techniques that they seem to use. And I don't know, maybe it's something that is inherently something that apes will eventually learn because it seems like, you know, even when you go into humans as apes or you look into

apes themselves, they seem like they end up warring amongst each other. Like, it's just something natural within primates. So I mean, obviously at a certain point, stuff like this, almost starts to become common sense after you've been dealing with this kind of stuff enough. But I don't know, just a weird experience that I haven't quite been able to explain other than possibly either, one, it was complete accident, which it doesn't seem like Sasquatches make those complete accidents very often or two it was something intentionally placed to say we're out here but you're not going to find us so how would you just stay home and stop trying to look for us that's kind of the impression that i almost got from that way at least how how approximately long were those

tracks that that were over your footprints i believe that they were about 14 and a half inches wow and there were you could see toes yep when we came back there was a couple other like half steps, that we weren't exactly sure if those were steps. There was that one definite step that went across our footprint. And that was the one that we wanted to make sure we got pictures of. But everybody talks about casting. This one was in the water itself. So it's one of those ones that's just an awesome fine, but you're not able to cast it because it's literally inside, in the water, right on the bank. You'd mentioned, did you call them death walls? Yeah, that's the term that I've heard before. I've heard a bunch of different people use different

terms for these things. But the two ways that I've heard him explain, I haven't actually seen one of these things myself. I've just kind of read about them here and there. But I feel like usually people refer to them as the death walls. It seems like people will explain this like wall that they'll create with a bunch of broken trees, a bunch of broken branches and everything. They'll be like a straight wall. And there'll be one that's supposed to be at the end because they they usually find like bones and stuff at the end. And they'll have another one that comes in and kind of chases them along that wall. And then the other one that I've heard about is the one where they almost form, it's basically built the same way, but it's more of like a corral where they'll

have one that sits on the inside and they'll have other ones that will kind of trick a deer into running into this corral area where they're able to catch them. But I've only heard the term death wall heard like once or twice. And every single time I say that, people are like, I don't know what that is, but I don't know if it was actually a term that's actually been something used in the Sasquatch community or if it was just somebody who had an encounter trying to describe what it was. But that was one of those terms that just kind of weirdly stuck with me, even though it doesn't seem to be something that flows around the community so much. It's really intriguing because I've never really heard of it before, but maybe listeners can put in the comments where they've heard it. And I'm sure someone out there will know maybe where Shane heard that, because that's very, very interesting to me.

There's something I wanted to ask you, and this is kind of putting you on the spot. But you'd mention that you were involved with Michigan and Indiana for Phantoms and Monsters, right? specifically with Sasquatch? Yeah. Well, crypticryptids and paranormal as a whole. Okay. Have you gotten, have you ever seen any reports come in from regarding Sasquatch down from Southern Indiana, specifically like Turkey Run State Park or just like Southern Indiana in

general? I've actually gotten a lot of paranormal stuff from down there. I haven't really had too many Sasquatch reports pushed my way. It's one of those things where if there's something that Lon is interested in having investigated, he kind of sends it to you directly. The rest of the stuff kind of just gets posted on the page. So of course, I like dive through the page and run through the page. But as far as investigations go, they're kind of more hand-selected.

And it seems like the ones that I get more often than that are paranormal ones, because usually it's people that are a little bit more in distress where they kind of want somebody to come out and be able to check it out. But honestly, I've only gotten one down in Indiana from Lawn that he actually wants. wanted me to investigate myself. Other than that, of course, diving into like SaaSWox and stuff. I've mainly done stuff up in Michigan, more so on the other side of the state, more so where like the Dewey Lake might sightings were originally at.

That was actually one of the other experiences I had was a couple miles from where the Dewey Lake Monster sighting was. And that's another one that we need into if you want to at some point here. Absolutely. Yeah. So that one, that was actually my more recent one. And I think I've only told this on my show. And it only came up because Brian King was talking about, Brian King Sharp was talking about,

you know, actually telling me. telling your encounters. And it was one of those things that it's like, if you're the Sasquatch guy, you're the guy that talks about this kind of stuff. You don't always want to share your encounters, even though you tell other people to share your encounters because you don't want people to be like, oh, of course, the Sasquatch guy is the guy who had some type of weird experience or assumes that it's Sasquatch or something. But this was one, like I said, relatively recent. I didn't get to see anything, but it was just kind of a weird accumulation of different things happening that kind of made me feel like there may have been something to it.

But essentially what happened here was that I have a friend that lives on the other side of the state. He's involved in a couple of churches and stuff over there. Riley actually, shout out to him. He runs another podcast called Midwest Mythos. And he had a friend who just recently bought this church property and they were having sightings on this property. They were having rocks thrown at them when they're taking out garbage and stuff, just like this weird little side stuff. And it was mainly just the guy who was running the place and then his son. And so he said he wanted to have somebody to come out there and investigate. So I ended up actually getting to meet this guy firsthand at Riley's wedding party actually and we ended up setting up a squash hike and everything out at this

church property and the cool part about the property is that it's all private land so nobody's on it nobody's walking around it was just us that were part of the squash group and then there was a bed and breakfast that they have on the church property if they try to make a little bit extra money off of but there's a couple people there they're all kind of hanging out around the bonfire they weren't going for walks or nothing like that so they weren't out doing nothing crazy so we ended up doing the first hike where we had like the bigger group of people where we had like the people that seriously believe in Sasquatch and the other group that's just kind of like, oh, you know, I kind of want to see a Sasquatch.

Let's go for a walk in the middle of the woods at night. If not, Wallace Fills, we had a walk in the middle of the woods at night. So as we started walking, you know how those two groups end up splitting. It's like the ones that are just kind of hanging out and stuff, they'll kind of end up farther up in the front. And the ones that are actually trying to research and investigate will kind of end up staying towards the back. And the first time that we walked around, not too much happening.

We passed across these couple of ear blinds and everything, didn't notice any weird smells or anything, which is why. I'm telling this story for the first part of it. Back to the campsite, I ended up breaking off from the groups. And the group that was actually serious about squatching, it was like three or four of us. We decided to go out for a second Squatchike and everybody else was going to end up staying back at the church actually. And the guy who actually runs the property, the one that was mentioning that wanted us come out here and investigate, the first time we went on the hike, I didn't end up actually being able to capture anything,

but I had my GoPro running the whole time. But there was this thick area of shrub. and he said that he saw something big move inside of there. And I was actually looking directly at it when I had my camera on my head. But because of just it being dark and the LED light only catching so far, I wasn't able to actually catch far enough that I would have catch where this thing was at. But we ended up diving down into there and kind of looking around to see if there's any footprints or anything like that. And there wasn't anywhere that this thing could go.

And at the time, there wasn't like a bunch of flashlights or anything on it. So it's not like it was shade or anything. like he actually saw something back there because he wasn't the type of guy who's just going to start gelling out stuff if he doesn't see anything because you know he lives on this property he's not trying to make it scarier than it needs to be because he wants to live here and that's the whole reason why i want this place investigated in the first place so he ended up staying back we end up going the second time where it was just riley me my daughter went with me and I think we had one other guy with us and we went around for the second time we got back up to one of the areas where there was one of the tree stands and we got over to that area I started smelling this really thick musty swampy kind of dirty smell and I ended up smelling it the first time and it was one of those things where it kind of like hit you like a wall for like a 50 foot area where it was like you walked into it and then you could walk out of it but it wasn't there the first time I didn't

noticed it anywhere else. And it was just the first thing that kind of lead it up to let up towards something that I started smelling this just weird off non. It smelled swampy, but it didn't smell like how the swamp normally smelled. There was something extra. Like it was just this like dirty thick smell. So after that I started kind of just paying a little bit more attention. And as we're walking down the path a little bit more over to the one side of us is all just thick swamp. Like if you're going to go off that way, you would have ended up to your waist and mud and swamp water and everything. So it's not like anybody was out there by any means. So as we're walking, I started hearing a bunch of splashing over there. So we start stopping. You know, I'm just kind

of listening because I want to make sure it's not ducks or something in the water or frogs or whatever. So we're doing this thing where we're like walking and then we stop. Then we walk and then we stop as they start trying to hear something. And we're just hearing that splashing for a little bit. But then the last time we stopped, I started hearing something that was off. It sounded like it was almost like in the middle of the swamp. It sounded like it was doing this really faint like kind of sound. But it wasn't,

it sounded like it was something bigger, but it sounded like it was intentionally trying to do it a little bit quiet. And I wasn't the only one out of hearing it. I don't know if I actually ended up catching it on my GoPro camera or not, because I just had like this little clip on extra audio thing. So I don't know if it would have picked up

that's in the distance. I still got to end up digging back through that footage at some point. But like I said, nothing super crazy. We didn't end up seeing anything. But it was just that weird, thick smell that wasn't. wasn't supposed to be there that just randomly dissipated.

And then this splashing around and then there's just little slight, that we were starting to hear off in the background. And we ended up trailing back. We didn't end up hearing anything else that whole time. And unfortunately, like I said, it was in the middle of the swamp. So I wasn't able to really get over there to look for footprints. I tried to push as far as I could,

but it starts getting really, really thick because it's all private property all swamp. It's not like anybody's like maintaining all of this type of stuff. So you'd have had to dig into this kind of stuff. Like we went on the walk a little bit earlier. somebody took like a five step walk off the path and ended up falling into about three feet of water. So it was one of those type of places. So it's like you kind of have to stay on the path and just kind of watch.

But we ended up deciding that at some point soon, we're going to end up going back out to this property. He still says that he's having reports. He still says he's having rock throws happening and stuff. So we're trying to do a thing where at least once a month we go back out to this property and we do these squash hikes. But this time we're going to start trying to limit the groups where it seems like I end up having the best like when I go on squat chikes when you're not doing big numbers but you're doing like groups of three it seems to be like the perfect number for whatever reason so the next intention is next time we go out we're going to try to break into groups of three we're going to try to make sure everybody has a

camera on them and hopefully next time I go out I'll try to I try and get a hold of the thermal device because if I would have had a thermal device this first time I went out maybe I would have been able to catch a heat signature off in the swamp if it wasn't hidden somehow by the water itself or dipping itself down in the water but again you never know unless you have the right equipment and fortunately it's one of those things that, you know, as soon as you have some type of something, you're like, oh, man, I wish I would have had this piece of equipment because this would have been the thing that would have made it so that I would have actually maybe been able to actually see something. That's a legit, that's a legit story you're involved with. Have you interviewed that guy

about what's going on around his church? I interviewed him one-on-one. I told him at some point I wanted to kind of put together like a little bit of like a documentary or something like that, but we I just kind of sitting around a bonfire. He was telling me all the stories and everything. It was one of those things that I wanted to go out to the property the first time and not just put a bunch of cameras and everything in his face. I kind of wanted to just get a feel for the land, kind of respect his property and everything.

But the second time I go out, he gave me full permission where he said, you know, I can sit down, we can record these stories, all that kind of stuff. So hopefully the next time I come out, I'll be able to give everybody the full background of the full story other than just the one-on-one sitting around the campfire and trying to pick up as much as I could about what he was experiencing. Wow. that's going to be incredible when you get that together.

And I mean, yeah, that would make a great documentary. That would make a great like podcast audio interview series. I mean, that is, that's a really, really cool thing that you've got yourself involved with. So I'd say listeners, that's one reason to keep up to date with what Shane is doing here. It sounds like there's some cool stuff to come. side note too like i mentioned a little bit earlier too that place is about five miles away from the original dewey lake might sir or dewey lake monster so that is an area that has a history of sighting so you know maybe one day i'll make it out to doy lake itself too as part of hopefully that documentary

and being able to go out and check out that area dude i'm loving it oh man i i myself personally want to to hear more about this it sounds fascinating so very very cool um You mentioned that you're not just into Bigfoot with your podcast. Thinking of the different things you've been involved. Are there maybe different people you've talked to? Are there any really interesting things you've gotten involved with, the church Bigfoot interactions? Any other interesting things you've gotten involved with because of your podcast?

Not necessarily Sasquatch. I have gone on in a few different Sasquatch hikes, but nothing crazy has happened. I get offers all the time, of course, in different places that I do have the intention on checking out. One of them actually isn't necessarily a squatchy area, but it's this haunted forest that's supposed to be on the other side of the state that I've had contact with a listener about for a while. So hopefully at some point I'll make it out to that and be able to check it out. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts by temporary. temporarily delaying ovulation.

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Other than that, of course, doing different paranormal investigations. I got to go down to Indiana and

check out Blackford County Jail. At some point I want to make it down to the Monroe House which is like

the double house which is supposed to be this like super haunted house that was like abandoned and there was a couple of murders and stuff in it and actually a couple years ago there was a paranormal investigating group that ended up finding the remains in the basement and they ended up completely shutting down the investigation the police had to come out and check everything

out so there's just all this weirdness from this house but honestly from the podcast it's kind of led to all these different avenues of being able to get out and be able to check all these different places out from you know weird creature sightings to paranormal sightings to having too much extraterrestrial stuff of course everybody has the UFO sightings, but it's one of those things that it's up in the sky, they see it, it's gone. It's not something that you're able to really get out there unless there's like the abduction abduction. But I've had a few people that have had contact experiences, but a lot of the time it seems like it's more of this non-physical type experience where they like pull like their consciousness

and stuff. So it's just a whole other like weird level that it's just kind of hard to like get that solid research with that stuff, even though there is like the opportunity. It's just a matter of, I don't know how people, other than like talking to people have had the abduction experiences and stuff. It's like one of those things that it's not like you can like get out in the woods and, you know, be looking for aliens or something. I mean, you can look for UFOs and stuff, but it just seems to be less hands on. So I more so end up steering more towards the cryptid and the paranormal stuff because it seems a little bit more hands on that you can actually go out there and help to be able to possibly see something. Absolutely. Have you ever gotten over to the Manistee

National Forest Area of Michigan? Actually, that is something that I've been digging into for a while. course, the Michigan Dogman for anybody that may not be familiar. My main documentary that I wanted to start working on at some point was about the Manistee or I wanted to dive into the Michigan Dogman because I've had a few people that have come on the show and talked about how they've gone to investigate this area and they've had these people in black trucks pull up and tell them, we know what you're doing here, you need to get out of here. I had a few different recordings of truckers and stuff who supposedly shot at these different things. So at some point, I want to make it out there and I want to make a documentary to it, but it's been a step-by-step

process and actually connecting with that last story, I've been looking for somebody for a while who knows the Manistee and would actually be able to navigate the Manistee. And I've always, I found these different pieces of different people that I wanted to put together for the crew for that documentary when I get around to it. But I'm able to find that navigator type person. And the last time that I'd gone out to, again, investigate that church property, the guy who owns that property is also somebody who knows the Manistee and would be able to navigate around the Manistee. So it's been a step-by-step process, but I feel like I have everybody together for the crew. So the idea is that we're going to hopefully, next time you go out, work on the Sasquatch thing. And then the next project

we're going to start trying to work on is a Michigan Dogman Manistee documentary. We're hopefully able to go out there. We'll be able to talk to some people who've had different reports or sightings of these things. I actually did a three-part series on it at one point for bizarre encounters where I dive into it for about probably five hours altogether, diving in all these weird different experiences and these weird different cover-ups and everything with it. But the Michigan Dogman, Manistee Dogman, seems like there's a lot of, there's this huge shroud of mystery around it, where most people that actually go out to investigate this thing kind of seem to get pushed away more so than a lot of other places. And my question is, is the Dogman or is there other kind of weird stuff going on there?

Because it seems like where there's these creature recordings, there seems to be something else weird going on. And definitely there's a lot of military bases in Michigan. So, I mean, who knows, maybe that's somewhat of a tie to it, but at some point, I'll make it out to that Manistee. I can also tell you there's a lot of weird Bigfoot stuff that goes on in that National Forest as well. And if you wanted maybe another name I can throw out at you just to put in the back of your mind for this research you're doing, another great individual that knows a lot about that area is Justin from Cryptids of the Corn knows a ton. You probably already have him on the list. I don't know, but he knows a lot about Manistee. and that say he's somebody

I'd have to hit up about that too because I have his number and everything like that I just didn't actually know that like I've heard of course talk about it and stuff but it was just one of those things that I hadn't actually connect the dots to say like hey maybe he'd want to get involved with that because he knows Riley from Midwest Mythos too

so it's like we all kind of know each other and are tied to each other and even my co-host Oren actually I ended up meeting him through Justin from Crypto's of the Corn like if I had known Justin I wouldn't have met my co-host Orrin either so it's just one of those people that's so close that you just end up looking over him on accident you know what I mean oh absolutely it's all connected for sure you mentioned something that I found really interesting

because it's come up in other areas is that so you're saying there's stories of people being run out of this area by guys and are these unmarked trucks dark trucks or trucks with words on the side of them or so one specific one I can't drop the guy's name because you end up telling me this after the show. He pretty much said that he just doesn't want his family to know about this kind of stuff because they don't want him to know how involved he's gotten in different stuff because he's a big Sasquatch research. He investigates paranormal stuff, but he doesn't want his family to know that he's literally had like government officials like stop him. So he kind of told me this story like off off the record, but that's why I'm not dropping any names or anything.

But at least from his story that he described, he was supposed to be meeting up with a group to be able to do an investigation in the Manistee. They had an exact location. They got picked out where somebody supposedly had a sighting. And as they were all starting to come in, Al, I think was supposed to be one of the last ones coming in. And he ended up getting stopped by two black, unmarked SUVs, is from what he described. And he said that they both stopped, but only one guy got out of the first one, came up to the window. He said he was wearing like a uniform, but it wasn't marked with anything. And he basically just said, simple phrase that we know what you're doing out here, and need to turn around and go back home. And then he said, the guy

turned around and got in his car. And he said, said they followed him until he seemed like he was leaving the woods and then they just kind of dipped off and went from there. And he said he ended up calling his friends to say, hey, I got chased out by these guys. And they said, oh, we didn't see anybody. We're like, you know, we're here. So he said he ended up trying to come back around to see if he'd be able to come back in. And he said as soon as he started getting back towards that area again, he said the car's pulled up behind him and followed him until he veered away from the area again. Like they knew he was going to double back around. And he said that his group that he went out with ended up getting to

investigate. I don't know if they had any sightings or anything like that. heard his side of it and he basically decided to go back to the hotel room and wasn't able to go and investigate. But I didn't hear if anything else ended up happening there. That is intense. And it's it's crazy. So first off, I have to say, if listeners are listening to this and they are like, oh, yeah, I've had something like that happen. You can put it in the comments. You can also reach out to me directly through email, Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. If you want to share a story like that, because I know they're out there because I've been working with some of you. for about a year and a half to share certain stories and you're not quite there but i'm just giving

you you know you can take all the time that you need because it's it's a really big deal when you come out about with stuff like that um that's that is that is wild i think there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than we know when it comes to government involvement and big foot in other cryptids i had heard one of a trucker who supposedly was trying to go and fix his tire he was like you know, doing the thing where he was like hitting the tires and everything. And he started hearing some shuffling off in the woods and ended up getting back into his truck. And as he got into his truck, he said he had one of these things that ran up on the window and he ended up putting a shot into this thing's face and watched it roll off. He took off, did a loop, came back. And he said there was

a Jeep that was parked there. And they said, like, oh, we saw some animal that was hurt or something. And it took off into the woods. And the guy basically said, like, you guys need to leave. So he left. And then he said he ended up having these like people that would just come out of the woodwork and they'd call him and say things like, you destroyed our property and you're going to end up paying for it. And he'd have these like weird SUVs and stuff like that that would sit outside of his house. But this wasn't somebody that I'd actually talk to. This was one of the stories that I dug up on the internet. This guy supposedly went on a couple podcasts talking about his experiences. I don't remember his name offhand.

But that was again, one of those weird experiences where somebody, one, actually put a bullet in this thing. And two, had that government intervention saying something weird along the lines of you destroyed our property and you're going to end up. us back for it or we're going to get you back for it. So that gets into the weird base thing, like I mentioned, are these things as they appear? Or is it like with a lot of the phenomenon that I think that there's multiple things that all become a facet in the phenomenon that I think that there are these dogmen being that are like Sasquatch almost, that are just something that are here. And on the other side of it, I definitely think that there is gene splicing or some type of government experimentation going on that they're creating these things because even with those,

I mean, how many recordings have you had with like dogmen? I've heard at least one or two recordings of people claiming that they're were wearing like military grade like bullproof vests. So I mean like just weird stuff. I mean, it's one of those things that again,

it's somebody's encounter report. So of course you want to listen to it. You take it in with a grain of salt. But still something that just kind of sparks a weird, weird spark in the back of your mind and says like there's something, there's a multifaceted aspect of this phenomenon. Like most cryptid creature type. sightings i don't think that most of these things are coming from one specific place i think it's a

combination of multiple things yeah absolutely you know listeners are always trying to get me to get into the dog man stuff but i'm like you know i got to stick with the bigfoot stuff because i want that to be my focus but dog man kind of slips in every if it if it's organically in the episode then it can come in but man the dog man stuff just freaks me out like in there's even dog man sightings in Iowa recently that I've heard. And I'm just like, man, it can't even stay out of my home state. Like, it's just a wild cryptid. It's never having a good time, you know.

Dude, I honestly think that a lot of these old, really aggressive Sasquatch reports may have been dogman reports. And it just wasn't something that was brought into the language. Because there's still this resilience, even with people in the community that they're just like dogman, werewolf, like, ah. But I think that the weird, the thing is, there was this whole connotation. of werewolf, where people had this whole idea about, like, humans literally shape-shifting and turning into, like, wolf-type beings, not taking into consideration these things being

just as the form as they are, which is where I think a lot of the researchers are actually coming back around to this stuff now is because they're realizing it's not humans shapeshifting into these beings, but there is some actual physicality to this thing. But getting back in what I was saying, though, I think that a lot of the old, really aggressive Sasquatch reports, there is a probability that they may have actually been some dogman reports. It's just that people didn't have dog man on their mind. They didn't know how to categorize it and split it differently because how many Sanskrit reports have you heard

where they have more of an extended face where it's almost more of like a muzzle but they're like these old reports that you can't actually dive into. You can't really ask the people because they're not around anymore. They're somebody that's elderly and you can't really get a whole of them through the internet and stuff. But miscategorization, man. I think that it's not necessarily that it's a new phenomenon. I think it slips way in because it's something that's always been there. And now we're just able to split the difference, noticing that, again, one has the more elongated face and one's more aggressive where one has the more cone-shaped head and seems to be less aggressive on average, depending on, of course, what area you're in and whether or not it's provoked and what you're doing at the time.

But more often than that, it seems like the Sasquatch stuff is significantly less aggressive than the dog man encounters are. Kind of freaks me out, but someone's going to give me, someone's going to give me grief for not asking it. So I'm going to ask it. But in the beginning, you, you quickly mentioned how you had gotten into astro, astral related things as a young child or like astro projection. So it was, it's kind of like this weird, somewhat lifetime thing that's been happening where I kind of go in spurts of it. It's like a whole other episode all in its own, to be honest with you. But from the time I was a kid, I used to astro project without intentionally doing it, where I would go to sleep at night.

I would astro project and I would see things such as like myself sleeping. I go through these like weird obstacle courses and stuff once in a while. Vicki Joy Anderson, if you've ever heard of her, she's actually dive into this a lot with these weird obstacle course type experiences looking in with this stuff. But my differentiation would always be that I would get sleep paralysis after all these experiences. So I had it multiple times a night at times or multiple times a week at times. And that was always the differentiation between whether or not I was in a dream or I was in this actual projecting experience. But it started getting really, really weird when I lived in this like, I guess you could say

haunted house when I was a teenager where there was this like weird dark aspect to it. But on the lighter side of stuff, like one thing that I had to use to solidify it in my head that it was actually something happening would be that I would go to people's houses that I was familiar with. And my friends, I would tell some of my friends about these experiences just so I could connect stuff and not sound creepy. But I would like say, like you were sleeping in a room facing the wall. There was a Coke bottle sitting here. There was this here.

There was this here. And they're like, wow, that was exactly how was sleeping? How would you know that? And I'm like, I'm telling you, I'm astro projected into people's rooms and I've seen this stuff. Oh, wow. And like I said, I would have these. I would always get sleep paralysis directly after it. But when I started getting older, it seemed like this stuff started to dissipate a bit more where I stopped remembering the dreams as frequently.

but I would still get these sleep paralysis experiences. And once in a while, I'd have some like super duper vivid dreams, one of which actually sounds like it's that story at first, but turned into a happy story. But this was during a time when it would kind of like turn itself off and on for a while. So I hadn't actually had an experience in a while. But my girlfriend and I were trying to have our second kid at the time. And we ended up having a stillborn.

Well, not exactly stillborn, but it was eight. It was eight weeks and I didn't have a heartbeat. So it didn't end up making it, of course. And I ended up having this. experience in the middle of that before we figured out that she was pregnant with my son, who's now going to be going on 3 in December, where I went to this place where it was like the middle of space and it was like this purple nebula galaxy type looking thing. And I wasn't necessarily like floating or standing in it. I was just kind of existing within it. And this

little boy who was about between six and eight kind of area basically said that wasn't a good vessel for me. I'll see you on the next one. And a couple weeks later is when I ended up figuring out that she was pregnant, and then a little bit after that, I figured out that I was having a son. And this is one of those experiences that I keep in my head because I want to see if it's the exact same face. But as far as I can see now, judging a three-year-old off of somebody that's between six and eight, it seems like it's the same face. So I'm pretty sure that through these astral projection experiences, I may have seen my son before he was born. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago.

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myself, which is why I kind of get into a little bit more of a woo-s Sasquatch at times. But one of the experiences I had was that I had gone to sleep at night and I woke up and I was in this other reality and I was trying to find my girlfriend, but I couldn't quite find her. When I found her, it wasn't exactly her. It was like a different variation of her. And I kept doing this where I would go to sleep, be in a new place. Go to sleep, be in a new place. Go to sleep, be in a new place.

And it felt like it took like six months. And every single time I woke up in this new place, the girl I found wasn't quite my girl. It was just different variations for, but when I found I came back, I ended with having sleep paralysis directly after, which freaked me out even more because that's how I've always kind of connected these experiences. And I'm not a super emotional guy, but that was honestly one of the most horrifying experiences I've ever had because I didn't know if I was actually going to come back. And some people may call it a dream. I know that there's time dilation within dreams, but it was one of those things that it was, it felt more real than real. and ever since then I've always taken in the multi-dimensional astral projection aspects of reality a lot more into consideration because there's just one of those experiences that I've had dreams

like I can't categorize it as that it was something way more than that and honestly probably connects into a lot of the stuff that I do where I of course get into the woo-woo stuff but I try to ground it in rational understanding of how that stuff could theoretically work so I get really really heavy into some really weird off-the-wall kind of theories on how I think of like a lot of different things work. And having that experience, honestly, is what I think kind of connected all that for me, where it's like, you know, somebody's like, oh, shapeshifters. My connection for shape-shifters is I don't necessarily think it's something that physically

changes its form, but something that's able to manipulate people's perception into seeing what it wants them to see. So when I dive into this stuff, I definitely dive into the woo-woo aspect. And I try to ground it in the most rational way that I could possibly understand it myself, because I don't personally see something completely changing its form. I see it as this thing has to be able to manipulate people's perception. And again, I have all these off-the-wall theories and stuff, but it wasn't for that experience.

I don't think that my brain would work in that same way. But it's been almost my whole life that I've experienced this stuff, and it goes in spurts. Lately, it's probably been at least six months since I've had any type of dream experience, sleep paralysis, anything like that. But before that, it was getting to a time where it would be, I probably have sleep paralysis like two or three times a week, but I wouldn't remember the dreams because it seemed like there was this stopoff where I would always remember everything.

But all of a sudden, when I was like in my mid-20s, I just stopped remembering the dreams unless there's something like crazy super vivid, which only happens once every couple months. But like I said, this is something I can probably go over for like a whole podcast. But it's just been like this weird continuous thing that's kind of happened me in my whole life. That's incredibly intense. And I had no idea that. it would get so personal thank you for sharing that that is extremely personal answer i i appreciate you being so open with that it's one of those things that it came to a happy ending of course

after that and i feel like if i'm one of those people it's always asking people to come and share their experiences with me i got to be open with my stuff too you know so it's like it had a happy ending that's all that really matters in the end of it but you know you just got to be open about certain stuff you expect other people to come on and try to share their super personal experience They've been in the most horrifying experiences of their life. Some interesting thoughts about shapeshifters at the end there. And maybe not overly related, but have you been getting reports about pale crawlers or anything similar to that over the last few years?

So funny story. My main encounter that most people have me come on shows and talk about is something that seems like it's related to that. That's a heavy aspect of research that I've gotten into where I don't think pale crawlers slash rakes are what people try to categorize them as. If you start diving into Native American lore, most people assume that the windigo is this deer-headed being that exists in the woods. And when you get into the Native American stuff, that's not how they describe it.

They're these tall, lanky, decrepit-looking creatures. And the experience that I had, I said, I can get into it on a whole other podcast if you wanted to, but just kind of briefly sum it up. My girlfriend and I used to urban exploring, and we ended up going, into this psychiatric hospital that we used to explore all the time. And we got into the point where we explored the whole campus, all the different buildings and everything. So we ended up going to go and explore the tunnels, which go all through the city. And we're just always scared of going down there and not having enough flashlight battery and stuff. But one day we decided to go down there.

And as soon as we got down there, there was this like hole that was in the wall in the basement. And it looked like somebody to remove all the bricks. And when I came down that corner, I turned to look in this room. And there's this like metal hospital cart gertie. And there's this, I hear this disembodied voice on my right side and it says, and as I hear that, I see this thing stand up. And it's this tall, lanky, bluish-gray skin, decrepit-looking creature. And it had this long, black, greasy hair on the top of its head. And I took off running.

And my girlfriend, I didn't tell her what I had seen. She had her friend with her. So as we were taking off, she's like taking pictures and stuff behind her. And we ended up catching this thing that looks like it's, it's like non-physical almost. It was definitely physical what I had seen, but it almost looks like a spirit photo from like what we'd seen of what we captured in the picture. Like it's completely translucent. You can see through it. But I had a hard time categorizing this for years, right?

Until anybody about it, I didn't know what to do with this thing. Because every time I looked stuff up, it would come back to Windigo, but the picture wouldn't look like it. So I started diving farther back into the Windigo. And actually, again, on bizarre encounters to a three-part series on that stuff too. But what I believe I had seen may have been what the native subscribe as a Windigo. And when I started actually looking into the lore behind it where supposedly you know, you're not safe from first snowfall to last. And they say that during like the summer months and the warmer months, these things go underground, they go into caves. They go places that are colder in order to kind of hold themselves from decaying more is kind of how the story and folklore if it goes.

And at least in these tunnels, it was like 20, 30 degrees lower than it was up on the surface. So all these weird little connecting factors. But that's what started kind of leading me down that avenue where I, don't think that rakes and pale crawlers, there are reports that just recently started popping up, but I think that it goes back farther than that. I think that we have given deerheaded beings the category of being called a windigo, and that's why you don't really find too many reports of that. You may find these weird spiritual type of encounters that people will have, but I think that those are more often than not something else that's disguising themselves as a common phenomenon

or something like a Tulpa, like a projected thought idea in this specific area. But most people, I think, are describing as wind goes or as pale crawlers and rakes may actually be what native Americans would refer to as the windcoes. And it seems like a lot of people have semi-aggressive encounters with these things. And that, again, also kind of fits like the Windigo War. So I think that the only reason that this seems like a relatively new phenomenon is just because we've found a way to almost like recategorize it after something that's just been lost through time for so long.

That's extremely interesting. That sounds like a really great series to check out. I'm going to have to check that one out. But Shane, this has been such a fascinating conversation. We've gone all over the place, places I didn't think we were going to go. And it's crazy to think that almost has been an hour already. Before we close out our conversation, can you take a few minutes to, if you have any closing thoughts or any things that you want to make sure listeners know how to contact you or how to keep

up to date with what you're doing. Well, if anybody wants to check out my podcast, Inquries of Our Reality is my solo interview show where I have people come on and the researchers and experiencers, all that kind of stuff, just an open-minded conversation type talk show. If you guys like The Deep Dots, you guys can go and check out my other show Bizarre Encounters with Shane and Orrin. I keep all of them under a category of Open Minds Media, which is like my overall production company trying to put it all in one place to make it easier for everybody.

Under that, of course, we also do a side show called Bizarre Inquiries, but that's just the short form on slash once a month YouTube show. But if anybody ever wants to go and check out anything that I do, you guys can go to the link tree, which will have links to all three of the different shows that I do. It's L-A-N-K-T-R-E-E slash open underscore minds underscore media. And from there, of course, I always like to take an encounter report. So if anybody has anything that they would like to report, you guys can either go to that link tree and there is a submission form for reporting an encounter. There's also one for contacting me if you're somebody that might be interested in coming on my show as a guest, or you guys can also email me at OMM Encounterreports at Outlook.com

if, again, if anybody else wants you to submit any encounters. That's fantastic, and make sure that you are definitely following Shane's feed as I will be going on one of his shows sooner than later, and I'll be in the hot seat. So Shane will be able to ask me some questions on his show as well. But thank you so much for coming on, Shane. it has been a very enjoyable time with you. Well, I appreciate you having me on your show. Glad we're able to finally get around to do this.

And it was always nice to have a one-on-one conversation with you after passing you around in the community a little bit. You've got to stop and talk at small-time monster rest for a minute or two there. But there's just always something about having that full hour conversation one-on-one that just kind of, you know, makes a new friendship, man. Absolutely. Stay tuned for a teaser from this week's member-only episode, Encounterpool. at 8. You can listen to the whole thing by becoming a Patreon supporter over at patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society or going over to YouTube and becoming a channel member over there in tier two or above. Enjoy.

I grew up in the woods. I grew up in Oregon. Never thought a whole lot about Bigfoot. It's sort of that local legend that nobody, uh, everybody talks about. My dad was a forester and I was taught that the forest was the safest place you could be, so I have been in the forest my whole life, have never had any experience like that. And I took two kids, two of my children, down for hike that day. And we were kind of hiking down a pretty remote area. Nobody was there. And I kept getting a sense that something was like bias, but I couldn't see anything. And I was slightly concerned about a cougar, but not really because I've only seen a cougar one time in the wild.

And my daughter then said, hey, something I think is following us. So it was a little strange. But then we went out into a big clearing area. Everything was fine. There was a space for kind of a big area that was open. So we decided to have a picnic. And we started hearing this banging coming. And I actually had no idea of banging is associated with Bigfoot.

I just never paid attention. And my kids were like, what is that noise? And I was trying to figure it out. and I couldn't identify the noise. I was like, it's not a beaver, it's not elk-ruding. You know, there was nothing that it made sense in my brain. And pretty soon it started kind of from where we had came down the hill, because we went down about a mile and a half.

There was the same knocking on that side, and we realized that the two knocking sounds sounded like they were communicating. Like one would knock like three times, and the other one would knock a minute or two. once or twice, but never more than like four times. And so we were just listening to it. I was like, is it an echo? I was really just in my very cerebral brain trying to understand it.

But all of a sudden it sounded like the noises were getting closer. Like it was coming, both were coming closer to us. So I kind of shouted out like, hello, thinking maybe somebody was down there working. Maybe somebody didn't know we were there and we didn't want to spook them. No response. Still having our picnic. Not concerned at this point, just kind of like this is interesting. And then suddenly on the side where we were supposed to keep going, it was so close. I'm not really great with distance, but I would say maybe a half a block. And at that point, there was kind of a thick of trees. And this tree started to fleeing back and forth like it was. you know, a blade of grass almost. And that's when I got scared. And I thought maybe a bear, but I've never, I've encountered bearer and bear run from you in Oregon. We don't have violent bears. And at that point, we started smelling the smell that it smelled like wet, mossy muck,

is what it smelled like, just kind of funk. And we were like, what is going on? At that point, I started to get scared. It never crossed my mind Bigfoot at that point. I was just kind of like, there's something going on, and we don't need to be here, and I don't know what to do because I didn't feel like I could go forward past that, whatever that was in that thicket of trees. I didn't feel like I could take my kids back the other way. My kids, I think, were about 8 and 12 at the time.

Long story short, I still get chills telling it. It's so scary. Long story short, I just kind of froze. And for the first time and only time, in my understanding, entire life, I tried to call 911 because I was like, someone's got to get us. Like, we don't have any way out of this. And there was no signal, but I had downloaded the map earlier that day because we'd never been there. And when I downloaded the map, I pulled it back up. I had it on my phone. And I saw there was like a service trail that was roughly where we were straight up to the top where the parking lot was.

So I started hunting for it and I could kind of see this skinny trail out. And I finally, I talked to the kids and I was like, well, we're not going to go either one of those ways. So we're going to have to go up that trail. At that point, the knocking is getting louder and louder and louder. And then my kids were like, look. And I didn't see a face. I didn't see a whole thing, but it was a very large, very dark creature in this thicket of maybe 10 to 15 kind of skinny trees. When I say skinny trees, I mean skinny organ trees. So like you couldn't wrap your hands around, but not like dug fir trees, not giant trees. So we could just see this like darkness, this big dark, shadowy thing. And we were like, go now. And so we were crying. I still wasn't, I thought, I remember

thinking this is so weird now. Like it was a bear with rabies. I don't even know if bears get rabies, but that's the only thing that my brain could compute because this thing was not afraid of us. It was coming closer. And the whacking was getting more intense. My kids were crying. I was crying. And I finally said, listen, we're going to head up that trail. And I told them, it's still so scary.

I told them that they had to go first and I was going to go last. And that if they heard anything, they were to run as fast as they could until they hit the road. Because I didn't know if this thing was going to come after us. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube. making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much.

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