Bigfoot Society - The Kettle Moraine Bigfoot of Wisconsin with Jay Bachochin (Bigfoot Society Classic)

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

Originally recorded 4/21/20Jay Bachochin is a Wisconsin based cryptid and paranormal researcher.We chat about his Bigfoot research in the Kettle Moraine area and much, much more!Be warned - I had not learned that I do not need to agree with the interviewee vocally after everything he says and I will not learn to do that for a few episodes. Lol.Resources:Jay's website is www.jaybachochin.comhttps://www.facebook.com/wpihuntsthetruth/https://www.youtube.com/@JayBachochinFinding Jay - https://amzn.to/44yjqjE (Amazon Affiliate link)Beyond the Kettle: Finding Jay 2 - https://amzn.to/44LL8db (Amazon Affiliate link)WATCH THE IOWA EPISODE IN THE “SASQUATCH: A SEARCH FOR SABE” DOCUMENTARY SERIES BY TATE HIERONYMUS // FIND OUT ALL ABOUT MY FIRST BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo8O4rvywzECall the Bigfoot Society BIGFOOT ENCOUNTER hotline! Have you seen a Sasquatch and would like to get what happened “off your chest” but don’t have time for an interview? NOW YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR TIME AND SHARE IT WITH THE WORLD! Share it here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsocietyTo unlock more bonus content and much more, become a supporting member of Bigfoot Society by joining the Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyBecome a Youtube Channel member here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinSupport Bigfoot Society one time by buying me a coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyTo pick up a Bigfoot Society shirt, stickers and more, check out our merch by heading on over to https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietySend me a voice message to potentially be used for the show by calling 515-809-0165Here’s a fun prompt - “Hey, my name’s [your name] and you’re listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast!”If you’d like to send me fan mail, Bigfoot related products to check out or written out Bigfoot encounters then you reach me at the following address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Join our private Facebook group "Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters" for a chance to connect with others who have had similar experiences. Follow the directions to ensure your entry is accepted.https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_linkTune in to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q) for new episodes of Bigfoot Society, and visit our website (www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com) for all the links mentioned above and more.Don't miss out on the Bigfoot action! ——Affiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases.This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.—— MY GEAR ——My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYMy Podcast Mic: https://amzn.to/3AlYwb9My Computer: https://amzn.to/40CCjQyMy Headphones: https://amzn.to/40A8gcrMy Webcam: https://amzn.to/3NqfddhThe best Bigfoot book: https://amzn.to/41x8IcNLose the weight along with me on Noom. Get 20% off your subscription with link below. (Consult your doctor first) https://noom.com/r/GdkaWNddL?1251Join Whatnot and pick up some sweet video games and vintage shirts. Use my link below and we both get $10 credit after you place your first order. https://whatnot.com/invite/bigfootsocietyLearn more and up your creative game with Skillshare. Use my link and get a $50 gift card.https://share.skillshare.com/bigfootsociety

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So hope you like Bigfoot because here we go. Now these Wednesday episodes are throwback episodes to the early, beginning days of Bigfoot Society. So the audio quality isn't the best. The interviewing, maybe not the best. But you got to know where you came from to get to where you're going or something like that. I appreciate you listening.

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All right. Hey, thank you very much for having me on your show number one. Let's see, where to begin. It was back in 1967. No, I'm just joking. I dated myself there, but I always call myself just a normal guy, a family guy, a working guy, except with this coronavirus thing going on. It's kind of had me stuck in home because I'm not essential, apparently. But, you know, through my whole life, I have always had a fascination with the weird, the bizarre and crazy. I mean, this even goes back to like creature features back in the 70s, probably a lot, way before your time there. But, you know, I was into the Godzilla movies, King Kong.

Oh, okay. You know, when people were out, I like to say playing softball and everything, I was downstairs watching Godzilla. That's awesome. Thanks. But, you know, I've always been into the weird. So I've always been kind of a strange character. But it wasn't until like 1977. where I was living and lived in Hirst, Illinois.

And me and my family at night on a Friday night saw an amazing display of lights in the sky. It was my first UFO encounter. It was all of ours. And it was fascinating. It wasn't just like a star or like a meteor. This thing was spinning, hovering, not moving, silent, silent.

Then it would blink out and it would be across the sky. sky within a second. It just, it blew us away. But it stayed in our area, which, you know, now I wish I would have had my phone record it. Yeah. Then question, why were the UFOs around there and hovering around, which is pretty creepy. But my grandpa, who was in early chapter Mufon in Chicago, Illinois, we had a great bond there. And he was, I always like to say, he was a very early version of Fox Mulder. And, yeah, he was searching for the So throughout my life, even though I've always been into the strange, unusual circumstances out there, you know, or the experiences people do, I was really into at least, you know, when Taps formed ghost hunters. Yep.

That was the only one on the TV at the time. And as much as I was watching it, I was really into it. But after a season or two, I remember going, is this real or is this just TV? So I formed, me and my wife formed a team called the Wisconsin Paranormal Investigators, and we would bring some friends, whoever showed interest, and our team got up to about like 10, you know, 10 different teammates. And it was a revolving door of people, and we would research houses. People would request for us to come out and we'd have to try to help debunk it or to see if we can capture any evidence.

And, yeah, we would do like the Ohio State Reformatory. in Ohio. And then at this point, it was getting to be around 2012-ish or 13. The requests weren't coming in anymore. TV exploded with, I like to say, all the supernatural stuff, ghost adventurers. Right, yeah. You've seen them all. They just started saturating the TV.

Sure. And, you know, at that point, I'm like, even the team started getting a little, I want to say a little burned out. I mean, it's just what, what it was. And I thought, you know what? I live here in Wisconsin, southeast Wisconsin. Okay. We're about 15 minute drive from Bray Road. I mean, we've all heard of Bray Road.

Oh, really? That's cool. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, since I'm not just into ghosts, I'm into anything crazy and bizarre. I thought, hey, you know, as a team, let's just go.

driving down Bray Road. It's a five miles road. You know, I was going to say, there's nothing ominous about the road. Maybe at night because, you know, you have that, already that thought that,

whoa, you know, there's something out here. But if you're just driving down it's on the farmland, you can't get off to investigate because everybody owns that farmland. Oh, okay. Third or fourth generation farmers. Right. Exactly. I don't want to do that.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And, okay. So we would do that. But then as we just kept driving, we would do like two, three a.m. drives around there. We started going further north and we ended up in the kettle moraine. Okay. And in the kettle moraine, there was four of us that one night. And we got out and actually walked into the woods at dark. We're pretty good.

It was October. It was a nice fall night. And we get out there and everything would be used to Bray Road. And all of a sudden we heard. something and I was recording at the time, but it was a cheap digital tape camcorder. Sure. And it really was. It was horrible with capturing far away sounds.

We heard this. It almost sounded like a simile like a monkey. And none of us have heard it. I mean, we're all, you know, in our later 40s, you know, at the time, we're mid 40s. And nobody ever heard this. And we kind of boot scoot and boogie down there. Okay. pretty quick.

But then we wanted to like check on the the soundboards of all indigenous Wisconsin animals. And we could never find a match. And at that point, I'm like, wait, somebody said Bigfoot. And I'm like, you know, the one thing nobody ever asked me, you know, I believe Lachness Monster. I can believe in the Jersey devil, maybe just from fantasy or imagination that I always grew up with.

And as somebody was saying Bigfoot, and I think at this point, I'm like, there's no such thing as Bigfoot. It's a unicorn. It's a leopard. That's where you draw the line, right? I drew the line. I mean, honestly, you tell anybody that you saw Bigfoot and you might as well, you know, I mean, it's an embarrassing. It was an embarrassing thing to even utter the word Bigfoot. You're like, dude, might as well go, you know, find the Easter buddy or the tooth fairy.

No, you make yourself look a little crazy. It's true. Yeah, it's totally true. Yeah. Right. Exactly. So, you know, and I guess at this point finding Bigfoot was already on. And honestly, I missed the first three seasons, I think, at this point.

It was 2000, late 2013. And I don't really care to watch finding Bigfoot because it was like finding a unicorn. It made no sense. I mean, I had no interest in Bigfoot at all. That's a good sound. I did not believe in big foot. And seen. And seen.

And I know that was probably a longer introduction answer that you wanted. But this is just kind of how it just kind of just started for me. And after hearing those vocals and not getting those out of my head, I had to go back out there. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. And honestly, that's where my journey began right at that point. very cool and in case the listeners don't know I'm going to guess most of them do because

Jay's made an awesome documentary called Finding Jay and it is everywhere I highly recommend you check it out because I mean the camera working it is great I love the drone footage at the beginning's very very cool you kind of grazed over just said kettle Lorraine but when you actually see it it's a beautiful forest and just the fact where it's like these these valleys and dips that are super huge made by glaciers right like yeah it's got to be an incredible landscape up there i would imagine it's phenomenal and you know i want to give uh kudos to scott marcus who okay his drone um because i mean you know he he's you know he films out in hollywood and all these other places oh okay i didn't know that yeah so he gets these good

shots but we shot that uh footage in 2000 foot 15 and it was not meant for any documentary. This was, yeah, this was actually, he came out one time. I took him out to the kettle and he wanted to get a good aerial shot of what it actually looked like because it's hard to see on like Google Maps or something. But you're right. The kettle moraine stretches over 150 miles up through the state of Wisconsin. It's like 55,000 square acres of dense woods, like you were saying, the valleys,

the ponds, the lakes. and, you know, when we go just into one of our little research areas, you can get turned around so easy in there. Oh, yeah, I bet. So, you know, you think about it. But when you do see the footage, it is, it's immense, you know. It's, you know, I always say it's my home away from home. I mean, yeah, you got to check it out.

Like, it's really good. And I would say probably the best way is to buy a copy of it. You can also see it on like Amazon Prime. I noticed it's on there as well. Probably either way is going to benefit Jay and help his work, which is awesome. I like it because there's a lot of, it's like you're following a story when you watch this documentary. And there's certain scenes that really stick out to me. And I've watched it about a year ago.

I just watched it two days ago to refresh you in my mind. But different things I know is each time. one scene I really liked if we could maybe bring you back to that time is there's a scene with you and gentlemen named Sanjay and there's a lot of electricity in the air there's a back and forth things are throwing

some something's throwing acorns or rocks at you through the trees and can you kind of maybe bring the listener to how it felt that day what was going on. Well, I'll tell you what, Sanjay Singel, great friend of mine now, would you believe that

footage was the first time I ever met him? We were like, we were supposed to go, we were supposed to go on an afternoon hike, me, Sanjay, and Linda Godfrey. That's funny. Yeah. Funny. You'd never know because it's like you guys were super connected. And I was like, you've got to be like, you know, best buds.

Buddies or something. Yeah. That's so weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And now it gets crazy. But that's because Sanji is a great guy.

Yeah, a researcher and does that. And I, you know, I feel like I always give everybody that benefit. And when we went out there, again, Linda couldn't make it,

but we were walking out there. And I started recording on that digital, digital tape cam quarter. You know, I've updated with body cams and everything else since then. Okay. It's about 2014, but that's what I had then.

Actually, it was the only unit I had that could record in, in infrared. So if we were going out there later and it got darker, at least I'd have infrared. I did have another HD camera, but so I let this thing just run. It was on, and I'm holding this big kind of small boxy thing. Okay. And I'm recording what we do here, and as we're walking, I'm not really looking at what I'm recording, and then Sanja would look at something, spot down.

and I remember at one point it was really intriguing when I went back through all the tape is he said it seems like there's a bunch of acorns dropping and I I think I just kind of agreed with them and that's not like me. I don't really, somebody says,

you smell that as a ghostbuster reference? Right, right, right, exactly. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, I felt like, did you hear that? And I'd be like, no, I mean, I'd never want to add fuel to the fire or coal to the fire.

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Yeah. That kind of, again, we don't know what it was. You know, I say in the film, a black, you know, or it's an artifact, a video artifact. It's just one of the most bizarre things because I didn't really pay attention to that after watching it the first time in 2014. I just went to the rock parts. And so I'm looking at it. And I'm like, what the hell is it?

You know, and whatever it is, it seems like it's keeping pace and moving first. away from us as we're walking when it shouldn't even as an optical illusion. And the cool thing is I actually stop and look in that area. I don't know why because I didn't know what was there. But if you remember, I kind of looked at that area. Yeah, exactly. So that I wanted to put in that part of that film because it really is important for what's about to happen next.

You know, we're getting ready. It's starting to get dusk. So it's going to look, not dark, but, you know, it's not as light as it was. So it's starting to go down a little bit. And we're walking and all of a sudden, sure as anything, something drops by my feet. And it sounds like a rock. And I mean, I heard it. And I record it.

But I'm like, you heard me. I'm like, I hope that was, it was an acre or was that a rock? And Sanjay's like, it sounded like a rock. But you can't be sure, right? Right. It could have been a heavier nut of an acorn or something dropping because we didn't hear anything go through the trees, just landed by my feet. Okay. Yeah, we were on the trails a little away from the trees.

It still, it didn't compute. It was just, yeah. But as we continue to walk, here comes another one. But this time, you could actually hear being thrown through the trees. I always say, I always say if you listen to an acorn, they're going to fall. They're going to fall vertically. Yeah, exactly. Right, they might hit a branch or something like that on the way down.

This was going through the leaves. It was September. Yeah, you could tell. Yeah. You could hear it go. Yeah. land by our feet again as we're moving. So this happened several more times.

And I, you know, at this point, I was like, who, who's throwing rocks? I didn't say Bigfoot was throwing rocks. I didn't really think about that. I'm just thinking, what is that? And then they stopped. And I'm like, huh, let's try an experiment. I'm a hunt the truth kind of guy. So I pick up a rock and throw it out.

to where I'm thinking the rocks are coming from. And as soon as I do that, a crap load of rocks get whipped from a far distance because you can hear the trajectory of it just hitting the leaves, just getting a lot, a lot, and landing by my feet again. Yeah, it's wild. It's pretty wild. So, you know, I'd say if you're a Bigfoot believer, you'd say it was Bigfoot. If you were a skeptic,

you would say, like, one of the guys on there, it was a hunter, somebody's trying to spook you or whatever, And some of that doesn't make sense to me because number one, even if they're trying to spook me, the terrain off those paths are crazy. It's not like a flat bridge that you're up and looking down and you can kind of lead them and then throw it and then be accurate. No, they're throwing through trees. My son actually said, how about the accuracy on that?

If you think about it, if we were on the woods and we tried to throw a rock at the path, what's the chances we're going to do this every, tree, every, you know, briar, everything to get right by your feet every time or right. Yeah, that's wild. That's wild, right? Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. And I was going to say one more quick thing. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. But you did see that branch. Remember when I stop and that branch lowers? Yeah, that's a wild part. That is, that is a wild part. Again, here's the thing. I focused so much when I researched all my tape back in 2014 and always looked at just the rock throws. And as I was making the documentary to get the rock throws is when I found,

that branch moved. And that is weird. Again, Bigfoot or not, something would have had to cause it to pull down. Yeah, totally. Yeah. And I always say, hey, if it was a small animal or a squirrel, you know, even if a raccoon was coming out that time. As they move, you would see the branch as it goes, right? You kind of see the bouncing of the branch. This thing was literally like this and just went and was held, it was like,

and just held down. So I don't know. I mean, there's, there's so many really crazy stories, or I should say interesting, not crazy to say, you know what I mean, but I say interesting. the one that oh man I have two pads in my mind but I really wanted to address this so you have in your documentary you have your young kids with you and there's a part that I wanted to talk with you

directly about is you're in the kettle of rain with Blake and McKenna yes yeah okay and there's one part where your kids actually see something and you're like your dad sentence kicks in. You're like, it's time to get them out. Yeah.

Talk to me maybe like what kind of stuff was going through your head there. That's pretty, as a dad, I would be like, wow, it's go time. Yeah. It is. And you know what? And that's always been one of my things. You've always heard of David Plattie's missing 411. Yeah, definitely.

I don't know what it is. But, you know, going out in the woods, we're going to go for a 45-minute hike in this circle, a different area than the other place, but as the clove flies, not too far. Right. And I took him out and I always practice safety first when I'm out there. That's my number one rule of hiking. Safety first. If it doesn't feel right, leave.

If your hiking partner is freaked out, you know what, it's best not to do this because if anything was to happen, this guy doesn't have your back. And so when I'm out with my kids, I always say no more than 15 feet ahead of me. I always trail. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I never lead because I want to see what's going on in front of me. And during that hike, I've, I had a weird feeling. And I know feelings really aren't evidence at all, but I can tell you I've been in this area

hundreds of times. And I could be there at 11, 12. o'clock at night and not feel a thing more like sitting at home in my yeah yeah that's how comfortable i am this was about three three p.m. in the afternoon in december three 30 because of sun's you know you you could just you know in those winter months that that's what's going on yeah and uh i was i was having these weird feelings and i really didn't want my kids to really know that they know what i do when I go out there. In fact,

they like to do it too, but they don't sit there and, Dad, look, a big foot. Dad, look a big foot. Dad, they don't do that. And this is about maybe, I don't know, maybe 30 minutes into the hike

is when we start turning the corner to start heading around back to the truck because it was going to be a small hike. Kids were young. And Blake, the look on his face is nothing compared to what the video was. Okay. I try to record 10,

testimonial right off the bat. And he started telling me, he's like, there's something that just moved. I mean, his face was priceless of believability until I'm like, hold on, hold on, keep that thought, man. I wish I would have just let him talk, but I got my phone out, hit video, go. And then he starts to explain it. But his first initial reaction was he looked frightened, you know?

And it was one of those things where he said he saw something move off. to the left and as he's talking and I'm recording him, I remember panning up with my camera. And I'm also, you know, or not my camera, my phone. And I can, I can actually hold it up and look with my own eyes when I'm looking. I'm not just looking to the phone. Yeah. And I see this dark patch out there. It does catch my eye.

But it didn't, it didn't feel right. I didn't, it's like I didn't feel, uh, like, you know, petrified or scared. It was more a warning, a red flag of get out of there. There's something I didn't really explain in there. As I was saying, when I was filming it, I said, I didn't want to keep my camera on it because I felt if I did, I was doing something wrong.

No, you do actually say that. And that's the part where I'm like, oh, wow, that's very interesting, actually, when you say that. It makes sense, yeah. Well, and here's the thing, because a lot of people, I've been criticized for, why do you just go out there? If that was a big foot, you know, until you're in the situation, I know I had my two kids there.

And I'm not going to play action Jackson Jackson. Exactly. Right. But I didn't even want to stick around there. To clarify what I meant by that was the reason why I didn't want to film it is I said, you imagine going into a bad part of the city. I can say Chicago, Milwaukee, wherever, New York. and it's late at night.

There's only two, three cars parked out there. You're going to your car to get into your car. A kitty corner from you looks like two guys are trying to crank open the door with a tool. Now, can you imagine picking the video camera up and facing it towards them? Yeah. Not a good idea. Right. Not a good idea.

Why? And how come? Because you're asking for trouble. What would it because what would happen if they saw you? They didn't want to take you out. Exactly. Yeah. So therefore,

that's really what I meant when I said I saw this shadow we figure out there. Yeah. I did not want to keep my camera on it. It was weird. And you know what? You could always say Monday morning quarterback or rookie mistake or, you know, whichever.

All I know is that I, my kids were my top priority. And I felt. As it should be. Yeah. And I felt it was just time for them to go. And I know Blake was kind of telling me what he saw. And McKenna chimed in.

And I saw the same type of Bigfoot. He pointing to her brother. She's only what? Right. Five at the time, six. Yep. What he saw? I go, what was it?

It was brown and it had big feet. Okay. So, you know, that's the cute part of it being that young, you know, and growing up in this. But my son, you know, he, you know, later on, even, I think it was, even a year later, year and a half later after that incident. It happened in 2017. Okay.

And he said, I, Dad, I don't know if I really saw it. He's, you know, and I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, I, I, he kept feeling kind of bad. He goes, I mean, I don't know. But I didn't really show him that footage of what was blown up. Oh, God. What it is. And when he saw it, it was like his memory came back.

Wow. Yeah. And, and I guess. I guess I like to share that story because I, it's hard for me to remember the rock incident unless I watch it. Yes. So long ago, we're humans. It's there.

It's a wow factor. You try to process it. It's gone. Just like my, the sighting I had. You know, I'm like, yeah, I wish I could go back there and sit and watch me, watch it. So I can watch it longer. Yeah. You know.

And so, but that's the reason why I like to tell the Blake story is because you forget, You forget about these things. You question yourself. And though you should, it was something pretty amazing. That's awesome. Yeah. And I'll just say, so those two scenes, let's say, that's just a tip of the iceberg from finding Jay. There's many, many more scenes.

So definitely everyone listening to this, watching this, check it out. After I watched that, I was like, okay, so what is he doing now after this? So I kind of went on a J deep dive here. And I found your YouTube channel, found your Instagram. There's one thing I noticed on the Instagram I wanted to bring out. And I didn't see the date on this. I think it's pretty recent. I'll let you fill that in.

But you had put a audio recorder on a tree out in the woods and let it play. And then you wouldn't retrieve it. Have you gone over that audio yet? Or, you know, I did. Okay. And again, the reason why I don't post it is if I don't have any news. Right. I don't want to, I don't want to just post something saying, hey, guess what?

I found nothing. But in a way, I should. But, you know, I'm not posting for that popularity, that comment, that like and how many friends or whatever. I'm doing it for the truth. And if I don't have anything to really reveal, I feel, eh, why I really do it? But the one thing I did learn about this audio recorder. is while it has enough memory to record up to 35 hours, that's kind of an on, off, on, off, on off usage.

So, you know, the battery I have should be able to last, you know, weeks, right? And that way you could be recording for one hour here, half hour here, turn it off, record it, you know, dictation or whatever. I just, I put a fresh battery in it hit go. It records eight hours when it's active. So even though I have 35 hours of space to put on there, I can only record up to eight hours before the unit shuts off. Interesting.

Yeah, there's nothing I can do about, but it's something that I've learned. So when I do this again, they've closed on all state parks and everything in Wisconsin. Up there, well, I'm in central Iowa. We kind of have a little bit more. We're self-quarantining, but you guys up there pretty much lockdown, right? Yeah, we're locked down. And it's funny, the memes that come out on Facebook is, it shows somebody like on an empty lake on a boat with a sunset,

with a fishing pole and his son. And it said, this is not safe. And it shows Walmart with a bunch of people saying, this is safe. That's funny. That's funny. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Hopefully people in the future are really confused about what we're talking about. That would be awesome to know that we've gotten to the point that we're confused.

but if you're confused, we're talking about the COVID-19 of 2020. So look that up. Actually, if you think about it, this podcast is making history. We're actually doing this. So if anybody finds this digital footage in the future, your future self, you know, old, my son being an old grandpa. Yeah, they really kind of shut it down here right now. So I haven't been back out with that audio device.

Like I said, it records up to eight hours. So next time, because what I really want to capture is the overnight stuff. So if you think about it, I'd have to get out there more. And I've been out there as late as 11, 12, 1, you know. But the people that I hike with are either too cold, too mosquitoy, too tired. So I haven't found an exact clone of me to get out there and say, hey, Jay, you want to do it? Yeah, Jay, let's do it. You know, and be out there and go for the long haul.

But, yeah, it's next time I go out there, I'll have to put the recorder out, fresh batteries, fresh everything, probably around 11 o'clock, and get the overnight because, you know, the kind of moraine, you know, you think as vast as it is, is still kind of surrounded by communities all the way around. Oh, interesting. Okay. And then it gets open. And then there's more population. It goes like that all the way through the state of Wisconsin.

And so vocalizations, especially during the day or 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock hours, if they're this loud, could they be heard from locals? Absolutely. And I really wish I could just knock on everyone's door and be like, hey, you guys live up here. Do you guys ever hear like a weird howl? You know, and just try to get people to get people that to answer that. Yeah. However, what happens at 2, 3, 4 in the morning, when most of the human population is sleeping, can they converse at that time? Damn it?

Yeah. I want to find that answer. You know, I want that. So that last one, it only recorded until about, I think I put it on around 5. I got done around midnight and nothing. Okay. Good to know, though. Yeah.

You know, you kind of hear some wind blow. other thing is if there's no wind with this particular mic or this particular unit really picks that up. So it's like, do I get, now I'm thinking, do I have to get, you know, extended microphone with a windshield on it to play something? But I'm like, you saw what I put it in. It was camo. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. White recorder. Yeah. It worked. But then here's the other thing. Just like ghost hunting. It's one of the things that I would never do to go back if I was going to ghost hunt to do it that way. People go out to a house by request or by pay and play or whatever they're going to do to investigate. And they do it for a night. And I know there's a lot of equipment they have

to check through. It's not just one audio device the whole night. There's generally, you know, four or five of those. And there's static cameras everywhere. And you have to look at every one of those we're doing a ghost investigation in real time you can't skip forward you can't be distracted and pet the dog or whatever you have to focus on your evidence and that takes a long long time however even though it takes a long time one night in a house does not make it haunted or not you know you have to be today's good point yeah and get out there over and over and over again not revisit it in six months or a year get out there the next weekend you know if you you could stay there for a week, you know, to get the people to move out saying,

hey, we'll investigate your house for a week. But anyway, but that, but that's how the woods is. Oh, yeah. No, that's true. Same thing. So that recording that I caught nothing doesn't make me feel like, oh, man, you know, only recorded it this time and there was nothing. Try it again.

Try it again. Try it again. Try it again. Try it again. What is, let's say, thinking into the future. what's coming down the road for Jay? What are your, what are your plans,

goals? I know you've been involved with some pretty cool stuff recently. Didn't you, you helped interview Ron Moorhead on a podcast,

which is, that's pretty awesome. It was, yeah, because definitely, he was definitely, uh, him and Dr.

Jeff Meldrum, I'm going to see those two guys are just, I mean, they're my, they're my go-to guys in the big foot world of, instead of being a TV personality, they're through good guys. They got it.

Yeah. Yeah. Cool. So what's on the line for me? I am going to release Finding Jay Lost and Found this summer. What that is, it's bonus material. It's going to be extended interviews with Randy. So you'll get to see more of what happened when he got back to the station.

Police officer gentleman. That's a very documentary. Yeah, that's a great story. If you're listening, you guys check it out. I mean, just for that, that's fantastic. It was. That's why I want to put it. That's why I put him at the end. And at the end of the credit said, everyone's listed and Randy Messamore at the end.

Okay. Yeah, very cool. Very intense. Yeah. But anyway, I'm going to release that this summer. It won't be as long as the two-hour documentary. Everyone says it was too long. But you know what? Before it hit the cutting room floor, it was longer than Avengers End game. I had to get it cut down to under two hours.

And I couldn't do it. and is what it is. So finding Jay lost and found will be primarily some behind the scenes. Okay. You know, stuff like that. That's awesome. Great. That's kind of breaking news there, right?

Yes, breaking news. That's awesome. You're hearing. I love it. Yeah, cool. We'll be definitely looking forward to that. Is the best way to follow your, your exploits and everything. It looks like Instagram is kind of your, you're maybe,

focusing on that or what would you say like if there's someone that is really into this interview they go watch finding jay and they want to keep up to date with what you're doing uh do you recommend you know what i yeah i tell them this instagram that's kind of an addiction to post right and for me i don't get on there to follow a bunch of people sure worry about a bunch of people following me i'm putting that out there and um some of it's you know meme type stuff and whatever yeah But to get the actual is going to my website, jbichotian.com. Okay. And there I'm going to, it's actually a new updated, fresh website, great navigation.

I'm throwing a lot more pictures in the gallery. It's basically it's a different host service than what I've been using. So I've kind of revamped the whole website. Everybody always knew me as Jay of WPI. WPI, but the thing is, even though that is what me and my wife found, and it is our baby, it's our umbrella company or umbrella organization, we'll always keep that. It's going to be a secondary link to anybody that has my old website. It'll take it right to the new one.

Okay, nice. I mean, but honestly, people know me as me now. You know, they don't say J of WPI. They just say my name. Which is great. I think that's the way it should be. Well, it is. My wife's always like, don't let your head get too big, you know, that door's on.

I'm like, I try to stay as, as, as humble as I can. And I don't know if a man can be humble by saying I'm humble, but it's the truth. It's like, I like my simple little corner here in Southeast Wisconsin with my family, you know, going to church and loving our family. And, you know, so that's really what matters to me. And it's not even so much coming out trying to, prove Bigfoot exists, you know, what are my, what are my biggest statements? And I didn't say this in finding Jay, but after that kind of came out, it was more, you know, people kept saying,

Jay, it was this hunter throwing rocks or what you saw was this, what you saw, whatever, okay, whatever, whether you believe or not, just go out and discover for yourself. That's it. Yeah. I'm not going to sit here and try to convince you anymore. Yeah. Of, you know, what's, what's real, what's not. Take my word on it or don't. And it doesn't matter. I'm not going to try to convince you. I'm not going to, you know, shove it down your throat that it's Bigfoot. Personally, I think Bigfoot, 100% exist out there.

So, good. Yeah. I'm still researching. I'm with you. I'm with you on that. Yeah. Good. So, yeah.

I'm still researching, but it's been about a month since I've been out. And that's okay. It's okay. Because everyone's like, everybody knows me that you used to go out every week, every week, every week, you know, except deer hunting. And they're like, well, how's it been going? And I said, it's slow. But you know what?

This whole researching and investigating for myself is, it's a marathon. It's not a sprint. That's right. It's a marathon. Yep. That's it. So, yeah. Yeah.

And eventually we'll get past the COVID-19 and it'll be back time to research again. Yeah. Again, thank you for coming on the podcast tonight. It's awesome to get your actual thoughts about certain things from the documentary. And my listeners will definitely be checking out your website at jay petrocheon.com. And we'll be looking forward to finding Jay the Lost Tapes coming out this summer, which is super, super exciting.

It's going to be close, but thank you very much for having me on my show. But if you want to find me, there are links to Instagram, YouTube, and Facebook on my website. My thing is that whenever I post, I'm posting on like four or five different things at once. It's getting tiring. It's crazy. I'm just going to try to focus on the website. But if you happen to be on Facebook and, you know, I have pages, personal finding Jay, I've got too many. I got too many, man.

Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thanks again, Jay. We'll need to cut it off now because I'm the cheap Zoom user. we're at 40 minutes, right? But hopefully we'll have to do a follow-up maybe in a few months or a year or something like that.

I'll hit you up and we'll see what we can find out after lost tapes come out and we'll chat about that. I think that'd be good. Definitely. Thanks for that. I truly appreciate the opportunity. Nice to chat with you, Jay. Have a good one. You too.

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