Bigfoot Society - The Night the River Spoke: A Yurok Man’s Bigfoot Encounter

Episode Date: April 20, 2025

What happens when a man raised in the heart of Yurok country finally hears the creature he’s been told about since childhood — and it stops him cold in his tracks? In this gripping episode, we talk to Rich, a licensed clinical therapist and Yurok tribal member, who shares two unforgettable encounters with Bigfoot along the Klamath River in Northern California. You’ll hear how his great-grandmother passed down stories of the “wild people,” why his cultural upbringing made Bigfoot a given — not a question — and how one foggy night, that belief became terrifyingly real. With chilling vocalizations echoing across the river and an overwhelming sense of primal fear, Rich's story is raw, spiritual, and utterly unforgettable. We also explore sacred Yurok land, the meaning of “ridge runners,” and how the line between myth and reality isn’t always where you think. This one will stay with you.🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Patreon – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereGoodchop (Better Meat): Check it OutSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn More🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072📧 Business Inquiries:[e-mail]

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Visit your nearby lows on West Pico Boulevard in Los Angeles. You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight's story doesn't come from a tourist or... Tonight's story doesn't come from a tourist or a thrill seeker. It comes from Rich, a licensed therapist, a hunter, and a man deeply rooted in Uruk culture, who grew up believing Bigfoot wasn't a mystery. It was a part of life. But one night, while fishing on his family's stretch of the Klamath River, that belief turned into something else,

the fog was thick, the river full of salmon, and then the call came. Deep, guttural, and primal. Rich froze, rifle in hand, heart pounding. This isn't just a tale from the woods. It's a story that crosses generations, culture, and something far more ancient. This is a story of Rich and what he heard on the river that night. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society.

We've got the privilege of talking to Rich today. Rich is an individual that was connected to me from Eric, from the China Flat Museum in Willow Creek. Good friend over there, always sending some interesting stuff my way. So make sure if you're in the Willow Creek area, you head over to the China Flat Museum. They have some great Bigfoot artifacts on display. But Rich, it is a privilege to finally talk to you. It sounds like you've got a lot of interesting things that have happened over the years.

You are from Uruk Heritage, and I'm just excited to talk to you today. Welcome to the show, Rich. Thank you. I appreciate you having me on. It's looking forward to it. It's been a fun, an interesting journey to kind of be involved in this. and just kind of share some of those experiences that I've had and then how it's kind of connected to my culture, my U-R-R-R-R-R-C culture and, you know, some of the stories and the things that, you know,

I've heard over the years from elders and different family members. So it's always been something that's, you know, kind of been near and dear, close to my heart type thing. And without getting too long-winded, I'm sure you have some questions. but one of the things that it's kind of interesting for me is I was a school counselor, and I'm also a licensed clinical therapist. And, you know, being born and raised in Northern California, this was just part of our folklore. It was part of our culture as a Urock person, you know, that was just one of the, some of the story I always heard from my family, for my great grandmother, who was a full-blooded Urock person.

And she spoke our language, and, you know, she passed a lot of those. traditions and those things on. And the wild people is what she referred to them as. And so that was something that kind of was just part of my existence from day one. So anyway, with that being said, that's a little bit about me. And if you have any questions, you know, we can kind of delve deeper into this or whatever you choose. So I'm here at your disclosure. Yes, sir. Absolutely. And thank you so much for being here today. It must be incredible to grow up in a culture where it was a part of your life from your earliest memories, I would imagine. It was. And that was the real interesting thing. Again, kind of going back to that whole being a

counselor thing, I was at the school. I was a school counselor for special education and worked with kids and families. And I was in speaking with a principal one day. And she was from Southern in California and she was you know we got along great we were communicating about some of the stuff that was happening in the school and she says you know rich it's just like people that believe in bigfoot you know this it's just so odd to me that you know there's actually people out there that believe in big foot I kind of looked at her and kind of big eyeed you know I'm sure and mouth kind of hanging open I was like well what do you mean you know thinking to myself you don't believe in big foot anyway you know I kind of brushed it off and kind of chuckled and I told her I said well

God, I never thought that there wasn't a big foot. And then I started kind of thinking myself, geez, you know, I guess maybe not everybody is a bigfoot believer, you know, like I am. And I think I was 32 at that time. Was there a time in your life where things got extremely real for you? It went from knowing this growing up, but then now it is, it's right in front of you.

We traditional gill net fish. for salmon on the Klamath River. And so one summer evening, myself and a buddy, we're out fishing, as we do up and down the river, we have traditional fishing holes where different families have traditional ownership of the hole. So that's just something you've done with your family for thousands of years. You have a traditional fishing hole where your family fishes. So we were down there fishing with our nets, and we did a great, we had a great, great, great catch and we were cleaned up, cleaned up our fish and pulled our nets out and we were

sitting on the bank. It was about 9.30 or 10 o'clock. And we're sitting in the truck. And I remember it plain as day because of the circumstances surrounding it. So it just cemented it, you know, for me. And I was sitting there in my truck and the doors were open. It was probably, it was mid-September, maybe late September. That's when the big salmon run comes in. So you got to visualize this. The rivers are just full of salmon. And the bears are down on the river bar, you know, pulling salmon out. Just there's a lot of activity this time of year.

And so we're sitting there. It's super foggy. I'm sitting on my family's river bar. We have like 170 acres. It's been in the family forever. And just, you know, feeling good. We just did good on fishing and relaxing. The doors are open.

And then I just, it was kind of like an eerie, hear he's silence and quiet and all of a sudden across the river i hear this this this this sound that sounded like it was coming from something that was big and i was explaining this to my son last night he was asking me about it and i said it was just i can't even put it into words you know i do the best i can when somebody asks me about it but it sounded really deep and guttural and big and it did it again. It went, like two more times.

And the hair on the back of my neck stood up. I got goosebumps all over my body. And I was just scared. And it was this really primal feeling of what was that? You know, I mean, I've been on the river my whole life, you know, fishing, hunting,

and a lot of that stuff was at night. You know, on the reservation, we're allowed to do that. So, you know, you see and hear everything. You hear coyotes and, you know,

mountain lion once in a while, if you're lucky. Elk, you know, bugling sometimes. You just, you hear everything. So you have like something you can connect it with, but like, oh, it's this or it's that. And there was nothing that I had that I could connect that to. And immediately, I just, like I said, I just kind of froze.

And then I heard from up around the bend probably 300 yards, it's up and the river kind of turns and goes right at the top of our property. And I heard something call back, ooh, ooh, sound just the same, just deep and just like just heavy base. Like it had to have like a huge chest cavity,

you know, now that I think later about it. And it was way up off the ground. It wasn't like down low like, you know, a lot of four-legged critters are. And I just couldn't put a picture to what I was hearing, you know,

a face. And I looked over to the other person and they were just like, you know, what the was that? And I looked over and I had my, my rifle sitting there. I had a 270 rifle and, you know, that'll shoot an elk or a bear or anything. And I just, I looked down on my rifle, you know, kind of reached for my rifle and it did it again. And then it stopped. And I just sat there kind of like paralyzed. It was just frozen.

And then I was like, okay, I'm going to turn the lights on. Just see if we can see anything. So I turned the lights on. And I was just kind of almost half-ass petrified. And but I couldn't see anything because the fog was so dense, you know, on the river, you couldn't see anything. Anyway, so that was that experience. And, you know, we were both just kind of like, we just looked at each other like, okay, I don't know what that was. But it kind of sounded like, you know, maybe some of the stuff we'd heard about.

from when we were kids. This was a young person too. So, you know, that was, that was what happened. And it really, like, it just grabbed me because of that, that primal feeling of something that was just much bigger than me and that could just, like, tear me apart. It was very, very, unsatling very, very much so like nothing I'd ever heard before. And I didn't see anything. and you know so I'm not saying that yeah I was a big area guy that ran across the river but there was nothing that I could put my finger on that

seemed like what it was that I heard and so I went and talked to this guy he was a teacher and he did I think he did Bigfoot research he like would go out and investigate for them when he'd had stories and he kind of walked me through the whole thing and tried to pin me down and I was like I can tell you that what I heard was nothing like I'd ever heard before and he walked me through a an elk and I said, you know, I've killed elk before. I've hunted elk and this was no elk. It was nothing that I've ever heard before. And then, uh, sometime thereafter I, you know, I started kind of just researching a little bit and I heard some vocalizations. And I was like, that's it. You know,

it was exact, exact same thing that other people have said they heard, you know, out there. And there was kind of like this excitement, but also kind of like just, I don't even know how to explain it. you know, I'm kind of, I mean, it was, it was panic that night a little bit, you know, because of the, the feeling that I had, even though we had a rifle. And so, yeah, that was, that was kind of the jest of it. And then, like I said, I had always heard stories for my, my Yurok grandmother and just different people, my uncle. And one of the stories was that they kind of lived with us or around us, and they smelled really, really, bad. So we ran them off up into the caves and there's stories about Blue Creek caves. And it's a real narrow area. It's a very, what's called the, I don't want to get too deep into it. It's traditional kind of cultural stuff, but it's a very sacred area. And it's kind of hard to find to get up in there. And, you know, people know to be respectful up in this area. But that's where there's, you know, allegedly some activity, you know, or a lot of activity.

And it's a spiritual place. So I've been up there when I was a kid. My mom and I would go up there and part of our culture is your ox, you know, we go to the high country and pray. And lots of stories connected to that. But anyway, then kind of kind of catapulted me to be like, okay, I definitely had some kind of experience. And it seems much like the experience that of other people have had in the

vocalizations were very much the same. And so I just feel like I'm a believer, you know, and even though that was part of my mythology and I just, you know, it's incorporated my growing up. After hearing that down at the river during that time of year when I think that, you know, there was lots of fish, there's lots of food and resources available. It would kind of make sense that, you know, that there would be something like that going on, fishing, hunting, whatnot. So it just kind of perpetuated some of my thoughts and ideas and beliefs about that that were connected to my culture. I'm trying to put myself in experiencing those sounds by the river and just sounds incredible. Do you remember, well, sometimes people will say, you know, I heard the sound and it affected me physically in a certain way.

Did this really hit you in a certain way or affect you mentally at all? Yes, it absolutely physically. I'm a pretty big guy. And, you know, I was a wrestler. And, you know, I boxed. And I'm very comfortable, you know, with just physicality. And, you know, it's just kind of been my existence. My whole life played football.

It's just, you know, very into. on-tax sports and this was something that like I said it just it really it made me feel small and I'm 6-6-1 you know 300 pounds I've been a weightlift or bodybuilder and that moment I felt just completely undressed I mean it was just like sitting in my truck and you know I had this like thing come over my body like I said it was a primal fear of like there's something out there that really hit me hard and I wouldn't say I was shaking but I was like like where's my gun? And even with my gun, you know, sitting right there, a rifle, high-powered rifle,

I didn't really want to see it when I turned my lights on. I was like, I mean, it really got to the core of me. And I mean, right now I'm kind of tensed up just talking about it because it just, I've never, you know, I've come face to face with bears out in the woods. And usually you kind of yell and scream to bear, make some noise. I'll turn around. I've hunted and taken down elk and bear and, you know, everything. I mean, large animals that we have on the risk.

reservation and you know picked them up packed them around everything and see mountain lines you on the river they don't really scare me this this was really just something different man i mean yeah it was something like i said that just made me feel small do you think that first off um i want to make sure i'm referring to to these in the right way during our are is it okay to refer to them as as Bigfoot. I want to make sure that I'm okay in doing that. You know what? I'd so appreciate your respect with that.

And whatever anybody wants to call it, you know what I mean? There's, you know, lots of different tribes have different names like Hoopaz Umach. And my nanny, like I said, I know what the York name was. There is a name for it, but they call them Ridge Runner. But yeah, Bigfoot, I mean, there's lots of different names that I've talked to with other tribal people. I've worked for different tribes, have a lot of Indian brothers and sisters, you know, different reservations and same stories, you know, just different names. So, yeah, whatever you want to call it. Okay, thank you.

Do you think that, you know, I've heard stories and accounts where there have been people in areas where Bigfoot have been and they have been, you know, affected by something that people will call infrasound. Do you think that there is actually anything to that? Or is that a thing where, you know, people that are experienced that might just be amped up or, or is there a history to that as well? Can you explain what your definition is? Oh, yeah. Sure. Maybe I understand. Different contexts.

It's kind of like you will get hit with a frequency where you'll not be able to move or you'll feel nauseous or get a headache. and almost like they can control actions using this frequency that a large predator will also use like lions can use them things like that. You know, that is interesting. I've never heard that before, never thought about that, but I felt like I froze

when I was sitting in that truck and I was a good looking out right now probably 150 yards away. and yeah I mean I felt like now that you kind of put it in that context I froze I mean that's kind of always been my my recollection of that and I think that's kind of why even though I knew I had that gun there I was in a truck you know I could have turned the truck on I could whatever but I just felt frozen so I don't know if it was just from the fear alone you know like what was that and it was big you know and something to boom across the river I still have that base. It was, it was, yeah, I mean, kind of, like I said, kind of gives me a little nod to my stomach right now. Actually, go back to those, those feelings and, you know, experiences. And it was just so foreign.

I could see where animals would kind of freeze. Just, you know, the fear is what I've always associated with. So, I don't know. I mean, but definitely fearful. You had mentioned something. in passing and with questions I'm going to be try to be extremely sensitive

because I know in this area there are areas where it just they are very very sacred to your people but you had mentioned that there have been things that happen

in this area over the years is it even a thing where we might not even want to speak of these things that have happened or is that a thing that you could perhaps share? I don't know that it's been necessarily malicious type stuff or, you know, if I'm not sharing spots where people are going to run out there and, you know, set up camp and dig around. I don't think it's that that would be, you know, showing disrespect or to my culture, my community, my family. I feel like, you know, there's so much activity and, you know, like the Bluff Creek thing, that's technically within our

Aboriginal territory, I think. It is, you know, right on the cusp, moving into Karutut territory. And so, you know, there's been stories about Umach, Bigfoot, you know, for years, the ridge runners in this area. And, you know, there was a guy that, I think it was Wallace came out in 58 and he said, oh, you know, Bigfoot throwing this and that around and then came back at the end and when he was passing and said it was a hoax. And those of us that from those areas that are native, we just kind of laughed and scoffed it off because we had these stories way before that dude came around. I mean, these are stories that we had from our grandparents, our great-grandparents, you know, our families and in-depth stories. One thing I heard when I was,

I think it was like 1990s, I was in college. One of my native professors said that when you go to some place, I'm not going to name it, that you might come across him or her, you know, kind of referencing him's Bigfoot. And either he can give you medicine, you know, good energy, good medicine for whatever it is that your prayers may be, or he can kill you. And I remember just kind of all of a sudden, like thinking, wait a minute, what? You know, because to me, Bigfoot was always kind of this benign, you know, creature. I'd never heard any stories about tearing people apart or just, and people was just always like,

he just kind of lived out there with this, you know? And it's kind of part of our lore, part of our culture. But, you know, again, there's plenty of people who are like, oh, that's a bunch of garbage. But at the same time, most people that I talk to a bit are your Ock or other tribes, they're just like, no, you know, we have the same. You know, we believe in that. And just like the little people, you know, we believe in those guys. And when you're raised like that, it just becomes part of your ethos and how you perceive your reality in your world. and you know you want to move around respectfully and those types of things but when this person said

this to me and I respected him a great deal he was a professor and he was also native and I just it just flattened me I was like wait a minute what do you mean this thing could hurt me and that was like the first time I really thought about it and then it wasn't until like the last five or ten years that I'd kind of been contemplating like I heard some stories of like you know Teddy Roosevelt because as I researched this, talked about these guys that came and told him a story. And these two hunters were somewhere out in Washington and they were setting a trap line. This is like in the whenever Teddy Roosevelt's president, maybe late 1800s, early 1900s. All right, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there.

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And, I mean, he came and told Teddy Roosevelt's the story. There's much more to it than that. But the story he conveyed, he said he totally believed him. It was just compelling. And so, you know, then I started thinking, You know, maybe these things aren't always benign. Maybe there is a little bit of maliciousness, just like in human beings. You know, I mean, you can have a lot of good people, but there's wolves out there that are, you know, treacherous and dangerous.

So I don't know. You know, your story is about people going missing in the woods. And so it just kind of brought a whole new perspective to me. Like, whenever I go in the woods, I always pack. You know, I've always got a gun with me. Usually rifle, always a pistol. and I carry a high caliber pistol. I carry a 44 mag and usually my, you know,

just my 9mm or something. But, you know, if you run into a bear 9mm, not going to be, I mean, you can take one down, but you need a higher capacity. But I have to say in the back of my head, I'm like, you know, if one of these things tries to take me out, I need to have a little bit of horsepower, you know, to protect myself.

I spent a lot of time, you know, on the river fishing and hunting. and we have family property, you know, that I go around, you know, just, I mean, I, I, I move around a lot up there. I've been pretty much in every fishing hall from my family's property, you know, down to the mouth of the river, like many of the guys that I move with that are family, and we like to get our feet on the ground and in the water and move around. and yeah there's a fair amount of people

in I'll just say the the Bigfoot community where they believe that Bigfoot are able to see or

sense the intention of the person that is going out do you think there could be anything to that or is that something we may have

made up you know i mean these are questions that you're presenting to me they're just so interesting um that would follow suit i think and i've never even thought about this before with that um my native professor guy who very traditional a lot of the stories with him saying to me that if you're on this trail to go to go get your medicine to go do your prayers and that you know bigfoot could kill you or give you good medicine i would totally think that there could be a connection with that, that there, you know, there's a intuitive sense like animals in general. You know, either say dogs can detect a good person or not so good person.

You know, when I was told when I was a kid that if I was going to go hunting, you know, you want to pray, you want to, you know, smoke your, you know, put some smoke up to creator and do some prayers and just you want to be in a good place. You have to be, no matter what it is, whether I'm fishing or ealing or hunting, you always want to be in a good place mentally. Your heart needs to be clean and pure in order for that animal to come to you. You know, whether it be K-Win, which is what we call eels or pook, which is deer or napui, which is salmon, you always want to pray and be in a good place. And the older I get, the more I realize how important that is.

So going back to intuition and just animals having the sixth sense, if you will, I mean, we hear about it often. I would absolutely think that they could pick up on vibes and know if somebody was there to harm them or, you know, whatever. I don't think as humans were near as in tune as we used to be because we move so fast and, you know, congested society, you know, with cars and iPhones and everything. Whereas if you're living out on the land, your feet are touching the ground,

you know, you smell in the fresh air and you're just out there moving around. you're going to be a lot more in tune to your environment. So I don't know how in tune, but I just say generally speaking, we know that there's empirical evidence and truth value with that kind of thought. So, yeah, I mean, I could totally see that. And now that I hear that as an older person, I think he was kind of saying that. They can tell, you know, I think from his words,

if you're up there for good reasons or bad reasons. So maybe they'll kill you. Maybe they'll touch you and give you good medicine and you'll have this power. And that was a little too like, I don't know, for me, maybe a little too woohoo at the time, but I listened to it, you know, and reflecting back in your question, that's really interesting. So I could definitely see connection with that. Absolutely. In your culture, are there ever times when it's talked about that there is a form of communication that happens between, people and Bigfoot or even not being verbally out loud communication.

So I don't know anything about that. I just think that, yeah, I think that generally speaking, you know, we have a reverence for all living things, animals, everything in our environment, you know, the water, the trees, everything has energy, everything is alive. So just from our base of how we believe and think, generally speaking, you know, we respect everything. So, but as far as like having the ability to communicate maybe telepathically, I don't, I don't know anything about that. Okay. Do you know any of the history behind why they are called, do you say Ridge Runners?

Uh-huh. So my limited understanding, because, you know, we don't have an exact science with this, just stories, is that they would move around on the ridges. That's where they traveled, you know, along the ridges. And, you know, that's where you'd see and hear them. And maybe because it's up high, you can kind of see what's going on if you're going to hunt or just staying up away from people and things. But, yeah, they call them the ridge runners.

And there is a rock name for it. I can't remember what it is right now, but there is a rock name for rich earners. It's extremely interesting. Eric had said that, to kind of lead into this, that you've actually had more than one encounter with Bigfoot over the years. Is that something you'd be able to share the second? And if you don't feel confident. No, no, I did. So I didn't even really think that I had this thing until Eric and I were talking one day.

And I remember, when was it? It was about the same time, a few years, maybe within a three, four year stretch. And I was going up to a place up the river farther, which is even more isolated. And I grew up there often in hunt. So I drive it on this road. and, you know, hunt on the way in to our place on the river, our family's place on the river. And there was this one spot. And when I come up there on that spot in my jet boat, it was like I always remember it so well.

I'm not going to say any names because, you know, everybody would know that knows me or that, you know, as Yorock would know exactly. So I don't want to do that. But it's a place where there's a family house down. there and there's a creek that runs down through it and it's like a ravine and it's a big opening and it was logged so it was the best hunting spot i mean it was just fabulous i would go up there um in the winter time right before winter like the end of summer not winter you know that's not a good time to hunt but uh just for a lot of activity hunting up there at night there'd be big old butts running around and you know we did very well for years and then everything started growing up

But so one time I'm driving, it was a mola day. It was in the summer. I think school started. I was working. It was on a weekend. So I went up there to see if I could, you know, knock something over. It was driving down this dirt road, looking over the side of the bank. And it went way down.

And then it went all the way down at the river. But you couldn't see the river. You could see down this cut that had been clear cut. And it was kind of growing back. So it was clover and lots of grass, lots of feed, you know, for the deer. And then below that, it expanded one another. She's maybe a half mile that it just went down to the river. And so anyway, I look back to my right and right along the tree line.

So there's this open area, this meadow that kind of rolled down the hill, quite a ways, maybe 400 yards. And then on to the right, it was just like a straight cut tree line where they cut this area that was designated. but right next to it like a straight line was the tree line and then it led down into this area where there's water and then it leads out into the river so it's a great like it's like a highway for deer and bear and everything we go down this area they got water good coverage all that kind of stuff so anyway i look back and i'm just cruising along looking for deer and i see this this thing kind of hopping around and it's small.

It's like two and a half, three feet tall. And I just, you know, I saw it in the tall grass. So the grass is probably two and a half three feet tall. And it was kind of jumping up and rolling around, just, you know, whatever. And I thought, oh, a little bear. And then I was trying to register it, you know, and I was like, wait a minute. That was weird. It did not seem like a bear because bears have, you know, more like torso and smaller legs.

And just the way they move. they just move differently, you know, obviously than any other animal. And I kind of hit the brakes. I'm seeing it. I'm visualizing it right now, what I saw. It was like this cinnamon brown long hair, like, I might have been two of them. And I just hit the brakes. And I was like, okay, when was that?

And I sat there for a second. I was like, I got to check that out again. Because that just did not seem right. So here we go again. I put it in reverse. I back up real quickly. and I get out of the truck and I go stand up on the road. And I'm like looking around for something and there was nothing there.

So a part of me felt like they knew whatever it was, maybe the mom or whatever, that something wasn't right. It really like it sparked my interest again. And I didn't even think about the one previous. I was just in the moment, you know, thinking that was weird. That did not look like a bear. And so I never even really thought about it. kind of thought about it, but not so much to where I'm going to go out and tell everybody, I saw Bigfoot.

I'm not going there, you know? And but then I was talking with Eric a while back, and I said, well, you know, I kind of. And I had that feeling of confusion because I really could not put my finger on what I saw. The jumping, kind of rolling around, like little kids. And it did not seem like a baby bear. Not to say they don't do that, but their legs are short. and this thing just it was different to the point where I knew it was different unconsciously like even more than I maybe knew

and that's what maybe stopped and like do you go back and look at that what was that and you know unfortunately it was gone but you know you're talking about this intuition or you know maybe the sixth sense they have I mean just like deer you know I'm hunting they know they can tell when you got your rifle I mean they like no most of the time and And so yeah, I would think that they would kind of be stealthy in the same way. You know, if somebody's going to pull back and come look at them, they probably are pretty good at getting out of there. So that was my other thing.

So if I did see something, it was small, it was a juvenile, maybe just a few years old. And as soon as I went back, it was like 10 seconds, maybe not even 10 seconds, backed up pretty quick. It was gone. And I think there was two of them. but yeah they were just like romping around in the tall grass but it sounds like you had a completely different reaction than your your first experience where you were kind of frozen yeah absolutely you pointed out totally different because it wasn't big and i didn't you know there wasn't ominous feeling or the first

one it was definitely like there was fear you know like deep deep stuff like I've been in fights before and I don't get you know it doesn't scare me it's like okay we're going to go and if I would have seen something like this in front of me I would have been running you know I mean it's just it's like there is no chance you're going to stand in with something like this but I've never felt that way before you know not that it's not that I couldn't get my my rear kick you know but I'm just saying that that was just such a different feeling man it'd be like facing off the bear that's trying to eat you it was just crazy Wow. Oh my goodness. I can't imagine that. I've never had a, I've heard things. I've heard vocalizations in the Willamette National Forest in Oregon, but never had any visuals of any kind of. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did the sound that you heard, was it a deep kind of like, was it like a whoop kind of sound gutterill, kind of like where I explained? So, but I have heard a whoop before. It was in Iowa, and it sounded just like a gibbon from the zoo.

which was really weird. What I heard in Oregon is very weird too because I only remember half of it. My ears kind of clicked off and just I almost felt like a bottomed out and I passed out. It was very weird. I don't remember a lot of the sound. But I remember enough that I heard of roar and a scream at the same time. And it was just like there was this primal kick in where it was like, you're in trouble buddy.

Yeah, that's where I felt. Absolutely, yeah. It was like, everyone was like, what in the world is going on? It's very, very strange. But yeah, it's how you mentioned, there's a primal deal where it's like, yeah, I've never heard this before, but I know how to react to it. Yeah, yeah, run. Yeah, absolutely.

There's sometimes there's stories that get thrown around the community and, There's one from up in Oregon. And I'm just curious if it reminds you of anything from your culture because maybe we're not looking at it the right way. But there are people that say that they will be walking through the woods and they'll come upon or walk through portals. Sometimes small, shorter creatures will come out of the portals. is that anything that that could have connections to things you've heard in the past maybe not me personally but i told my story to a buddy of mine or guy that kind of worked around my house older guy and he said that this is kind of loosely connected i think he was

walking around out in the woods and he and his son and it was late at night and he said they heard these big like boulders splashing in the water and i've heard that i'm sure you've heard that where they throw rocks or something. And he said, it wasn't just the boulders. He said the feeling they felt like this vibe of like you're picking up that energy as an animal. It just scared them. Same kind of thing.

And but as far as like portals and orbs, that's stuff that's totally new to me that I've been hearing the last few years where initially when I heard, I was like, ah, you know, but now, I mean, I think anything's possible. You know, you listen to guys like Bob Lazar. And, you know, my son kind of introduced me to some of these things. Joe Rogan just kind of legit mainstream kind of guys that are throwing things around that I'm kind of pondering now that I never did before, you know, just like we never believed

in UFOs. When I was a kid growing up, it's like you're a crackpot, you know, we had people that believed in that. No, that's not true. Now it's like, okay, they're true. So if you've got aliens, you know, or UFOs and likely have aliens and people like, spaceships, how hard is it to imagine Bigfoot,

you know, which, I mean, we've got these gigantic Pythicus, we found a jaw. You know, it's pretty analogous to what Bigfoot would be. I mean, to a T, you know, this giant thing. And, you know, I mean, it's an animal. We're not even talking about UFOs. And we know that,

you know, as far as evolution is concerned, we're finding missing lengths in different, you know, different, whatever you call. in between that they just found somebody recently, you know, and it's like, well, this one's a little different and we thought, so it changes everything, which is science, you know, you want them to be able to do that. But I just think there's been so much kind of laughing, pointing the finger, you know, mockery of this versus, you know, how real can this be? And I think we're

moving in that direction. I think it's a matter of time before somebody actually, unfortunately, is, you know, going to kill some, kill one or something. And then, you know, we'll have more like hard evidence. But I don't know. I mean, these portals and black holes or whatever, when it could, you know, why not? I mean, there's other stuff that's really unexplainable. Absolutely. You know, just more weird stuff seems to be coming out, especially this year.

So you never know. maybe we'll get the Bigfoot stuff next. Or maybe we won't and maybe that would be okay. Maybe we just need to give them some space, but I don't know. It all depends on how you look at it. But Rich, it has been just a privilege to talk to you and to learn some really interesting things

from the Urock side of looking at Bigfoot. And I just want to say thank you for coming on the show. It has been, it's been a privilege to have you on. Yeah, you're welcome. Again, one-year-rock, you know, one-year-rock. We've got lots of your rocks that probably have different ideas, but there's also plenty of that agree with what I have to think, or not agree with, but have the same kind of thoughts or ideas.

And thank you so much for having you on here and kind of moving this forward and giving it validity in terms of, you know, the research that's being done. Mike Erick is doing the same thing. Eric Nelson there at Bigfoot. and other people, they're really taking us in a scientific way. And I just think it's a matter of time. You know, we're getting more and more information.

And it's really exciting. So thank you. I appreciate that. Just wanted to take a minute to thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Rich's story is one that lingers, not just because of what he heard echoing across the river, but because of what it meant, a connection to ancestors to land into something primal that we still don't understand. So huge thanks to Rich for sharing a piece of his Uruk heritage and for reminding us that sometimes the deepest truths are passed down in whispers and in roars.

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