Bigfoot Society - The Rainier Connection | Oregon

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron welcomes Dwayne Pintoff, a former nuclear engineer turned Bigfoot researcher. Dwayne shares his journey from working at the Trojan Nuclear Plant to investigating Bigfoot sightings. The conversation delves into chilling encounters in Rainier, Oregon, where Dwayne spent time researching and exploring the wilderness. From detailed descriptions of Bigfoot sightings in the Pacific Northwest to intriguing connections with previous guests, this episode uncovers fascinating details about one man's quest to understand the elusive Sasquatch.Contact Dwayne: [e-mail] Summerfest this year, is July 11th through the 12th, 2025. It's going to be fantastic. Listeners, if you're going to go, you can get a two day ticket for the cost of one. If you use the code "BFS" like Bigfoot society and it'll get you some off your cost.Priscilla was a nice enough to provide that for my listeners. So there you go. I look forward to seeing you there. So make sure you head over to www. sasquatchsummerfest. com and pick up your tickets today.If you've had similar encounters or experiences, please reach out to [e-mail]. Your story could be the next one we feature!🔴 Subscribe to our Youtube channel and leave a comment here: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Want to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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All right, Bigfoot Society. I've got the privilege of talking to a Bigfoot researcher you may have heard of before. He is pretty well known. His name is Dwayne Pintoff, but it's a privilege to have on the show. Dwayne, how's it going? Hey, how are you doing, Jerry O'Me? It's a pleasure to meet you. and have this interview with you.

Oh, yes, sir, yes, sir. I've been looking forward to chatting with you for quite a while. Let's start out with this before we get too far into it. You know, when I have a researcher on, I like to know kind of what was it that got you first into the Bigfoot field to begin with. So I think let's start there right at the beginning. What was it that got you into this to begin with, Dwayne? well as a lot of people i've had a interest of fascination with the subject uh since the patterson gimbled film was first uh released in the 70s and then the other things came through in search of

and uh legend of boggy creek i mean i had a fascination but it was as a teenager a kid and i believe it was just uh hollywood you know hollywood bogeyman stuff until 1983 and i grew up in South Carolina, lived in North and South Carolina through those, through the early 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s. And in 83, I was working in Georgetown, South Carolina, which is at the coast between Myrtle Beach and Charleston, South Carolina, as a electrical engineer, field engineer, on the paper, on the international paper plant, which was about an eight, nine month project. Thousands of people working there. Well, at that time, I lived a three-and-a-half-hour trip from my home in the foothills up or part of South Carolina, and we would work 13 days on, 10, 12-hour days, and then get two to three days off. Well, this particular weekend in August of 83, my middle brother's father-in-law was also an employee there.

He was working as a union pipe fitter, and both of us lived within miles of each other back in the foothills of us. Martinburg County. And this particular weekend, his name was Brady, he had to take the same trip to same commute points to go home as I did. On this particular Friday night, he didn't come through, it was called watery recreation area. It's near the Sumter National Forest. It's about, as the crow flies, it's 25 miles from Columbia, South Carolina. It's 20 miles north of Shaw Air Force Base.

That gives you the locality. It was very, very, very isolated in the early 80s, swamp land, thick wilderness area, lots of habitation, lots of wilderness wildlife. You had wild pigs, bears, numerous deer, and all other indigenous animals living in here. So in that time period, there wasn't hardly any commercialism between the town of Camden and the town of Liberty Hill, which was about a 20-mile. stretch and that's where Brady had his initial account encounter as he was driving home and he told me this story on the following Monday he went out of his way to tell me because back then we had

no cell phones or internet or any other communication so he had to wait until we returned physically to the job to tell me that on that Friday night as he was passing through this very isolated location he comes up on a car and the car for no reason swerved it It was on a very straight area on the road itself where you could see like almost a mile ahead of you. And this car swerved suddenly and went off to the side of the road and over an embank down a three, four foot slope, a embankment. Well, Brady and I were both on the rescue squad back home. And he thinking, hey, someone's had a medical emergency. He said he stopped his truck, got out of the truck, grabbed a flashlight, went up to the car.

In other words, he's knocking on the window. and there was two elderly ladies and they were very excited. Did you see? And he got on the roll of the window down there yelling. Did you see it? Did you see it? And I said, what did they see? Brady? He said, I'll tell you in a minute, but he said, I wasn't worried about that. He said, I asked him, offered him if they needed any help.

If anyone had a medical emergency, they didn't. So he offered, he had a four-wheel drive pickup truck. He said, I think I can pull your car back up on the road so you can continue your drive home. And that was all he knew at that moment. and he said he walked back up to his truck, which was still on the side of the road, as he went around the back of the truck to open the cap

he had on the back to get the rope, that's when the flashlight hit this thing right in the face. It was standing there within 30. I later know this, 30 feet from his position, and he's looking at his square. It's looking at him. He's looking at it, he said. And I'm like, what was it?

Buddy, what the heck did you see? And he said, Dwayne, it was a monster. Well, we didn't ever talk about Bigfoot back in the 80s, even though I had seen those things at the movies and on television, Brady and I had never, ever, ever talked about any of that. He had zero, he was a down-to-earth guy, a deacon in the church. He was not the kind of talk about nonsense or anything, science fiction. And I said, what did you see? And he said, Duane, at that time, he held both his arms out and his hands out. He said, it was bigger than any wrestler, any bodybuilder, any football player. He said,

Dwayne, it was massive. And it was covered head to toe with black hair. And I said, what? I'm just standing there looking at him. Well, the first thing that come to my mind is the Falk, Arkansas monster, the Boggy Creek monster. Again, neither one of us said Bigfoot. And I said, what in the heck did you see?

He said, Dwayne, I don't know. But it was horrible. And he said, I must have went in the shock. And I said, why? He said, because I don't know how long I stood there. And I don't know why I didn't slam the back of the truck lid and run. He said, I don't know, but he said some reason this thing turned, and it walked into up to the wood edge, the wood tree edge of the woods. And it stopped for a second.

And he said, it turned back around and looked at him. And it made this gurgling growling sound, guttural growling sound. And then he said, it turned around. It just nonchal walk in and started breaking branches and sound like it was pushing trees over. And then I started quizzing him. I said, well, what in the world did it do before that? And he said, well, it didn't do anything but stand there and look at me. And he said, Dwayne, you know the big guerrilla we have at the Riverbank Zoo in Columbia?

I said, yeah, I've seen it. It was like will he be at Atlanta Zoo used to be. And he said, it looked just like that in the face. He said, he had a gray leather face and he had the same face, nose, and mouth as a gorilla. I said, well, then was it a gorilla? He said, it was not a gorilla. He said, it walked like us. He said, it was not like I've seen guerrillas walk.

I said, okay, well, then what was it? He said, I don't know. And he said, it had a pungent odor. He said it smelled like between a landfill. And he was a hunter at the time. He said, if I left a deer hanging in the woods in South Carolina for two or three days or roadkill, he said, that's what hit me when I stood there looking at it. And he said the hair was jet black from the head to the, as far as he could see down to the ankles,

because it was down below the edge of the embankment. And he said, it hung off its arms and was wet like it had been in the skin. swamp or been in something that was wet. All of it was glistening and wet. And he said, but other than it being huge and that being the description of the smell and the behavior, it didn't do anything toward him. So he said, when it went into the woods, he turned around and grabbed a rope and went over and managed to get the car back up on the road.

And he never told the ladies what he had just witnessed. And he said, he asked him again, what did you see? what made you swirred off the road? And they said, as they were driving, a deer ran in front of their car in this black thing. They didn't know what it was, was right behind the deer, and they almost hit it. And that's what they swerved amiss. So this is, this was intriguing to me because I'm like, you know, I was like 24 years old at the time. I had always been an outdoors person, always done hunting and fishing and hiking and camping and the Boy Scouts

and Explorer Scout. I always had a passion for the woods, but I had never tied Bigfoot together with any of my wilderness activities up until that time in South and North Carolina. And this got me very interested. I went to know what Brady had witnessed. So he told the ladies, he asked me, and that's what they told him. So they drove off, and then he said he got into his truck, was continuing to drive home. And he said, that's when maybe reality set in because he got this shaking so badly. he had to sit there and recompose himself for like 30, 40 minutes before he could continue

driving. So then on Monday morning, he's back at work, and you've got to physically realize this guy wasn't, he wasn't the kind of pranksters and hoaxes, even though he did like to joke occasionally, but he would never have gotten into this and didn't even know enough to do a prank on this. He had walked, this paper meal that we were working on was about the size of two big malls store, you know, commercial malls. His business of work was,

the pipe fitting work he was doing was like the other end of the mall. And he walked the distance to come to my work area where I was working on the ProVox and Modicon control systems to make sure if I was going to drive through that area, that I was aware of what he had seen on that previous Friday so that I wouldn't end up in the situation he did. And that was the last time. He passed away two years ago at 78 years old.

And that was the last time he ever willingly talked about it was at the job. And after that, I tried to catch you and get more information. He said, I'm not talking about it. It was a demon. It was a monster. I'm not talking about it. And none of, we never talked about Bigfoot. But I went to that area.

I ended up relocating and moving officially to Columbia in March of 1984. And that became my first research location. I went to those woods. I had a 44 magnum on my hip. because I thought if I run into something like this, I don't know what it's capable of, even though it didn't do anything aggressive toward Brady, but I never saw anything.

I walk through those woods by myself several miles, and I wasn't a researcher. No one had ever advised me of how to be a researcher, what to look for, what clues to study and what to get information. I just figured if this thing's out there, it'll just make its appearance like it did to him, and I'll get the chance to see what he saw,

And then I'll figure it out. But unfortunately, from 84 until 89, I lived in there. I had a condo down there. And I lived and I went to those woods and all the surrounding areas of that area. Never came across anything that I can say even now, knowing what I know as a researcher, anything to be conclusive concrete evidence. And the only time I had a year pause of that area, because I ended up out in the Pacific Northwest.

I was working in Renier, Oregon at a nuclear facility. As I was a nuclear engineer, I became involved in nuclear power as an engineer in 84. And I ended up taking a break in 86 to 87. I moved out there, worked out there, not knowing anything about Bigfoot, other than Brady's encounter and what I'd say. seen on television in the movies. I couldn't find any research information.

In my libraries in Spartanburg, South Carolina, I couldn't find, or was no one to have a conversation with about it. And I didn't know what I know now. Like I say, if I didn't know him again, what I'm knowing now, I may have ended up relocating permanently out there and end up being another Cliff Brackman or something.

But instead, I was bumping around just being an engineer at a power plant. And, of course, I could not mention my hobby, my interest, because they would have gave me the crazy alarm, and I would have been not be working at a nuclear plant. So I had to keep a low profile, but I still managed to do my research when I had time. So I'm out there, and God knows I wish I knew who Peter Burns was then. I wish I would have known how close I was to Bob Gimlin at the time.

I mean, Yakima, Washington. I wasn't two hours away from the man. I would have driven to his farm and met with him if I'd have known he was that close to me, but I didn't know those things. So I went out on excursions for my own self because of loving the woods and went hiking and horseback riding. And I had five guys in my office that were pilots. And we were in the air practically every weekend flying somewhere, either up to Seattle, up to Mount Rainier, out to the coast, down to northern California,

or over to Idaho, we were flying somewhere practically every weekend. And in the air, I was amazed at how many things I could see as a visual from the air, as long as we stayed within three or four thousand feet elevation. I could see pretty good. I mean, we couldn't get down treetop level and study anything, but it still gave me an open perspective of the wooded areas around that location. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt.

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equipment, and I would lug all this equipment in a backpack and go to the woods to take pictures. And that was my primary concern, but I never associated for the first month or so out there. that Bigfoot was a novel, it was a major impact of that area. I mean, I found out a little later on, a couple months later when I, I think I sent you a paper, it tells a little bit about my history out there. Some of the guys in the office knew that I was doing these excursions and photography, and they said, hey, Dwayne, have you made it up to Mount St. Helens yet? And I said, no, I didn't even think I could get close to it.

They said, yeah, they just opened a two-mile red zone a couple months ago. go and you can get in within that distance and you can get some fairly good pictures of the dome where it's blown off and see just how devastated it is in that area and said you'll enjoy probably hiking around there well that was all i knew that's all they told me nothing in the language of bigfoot so i'm driving up 504 kid uh kid highway which is coming out of castle castle Castle Rock, and I'm going just through the wilderness, just beautiful, beautiful Douglas fir wilderness up through there. And I come up on this souvenir stand, this souvenir facility, and it's the buried A-frame,

and it had a souvenir shop up on the little rise on the knoll up above it, and then there was this big, 30-foot, big foot statue standing at the corner of the parking lot, and I'm like, wow, I thought that's amazing So I pulled in I had to see this and get a picture Well when I did that I'm kind of just scoping out the area And I look up toward the souvenir building

And this It looks like they built this Facility out around where a porch Might have been on this old house And closed it in They had these Cartoon-looking caricatures Of a monkey or a Bigfoot it turned out

Painted or decount around the building and I'm looking at, I'm looking at this statue, and I'm thinking, man, that's, that's pretty amazing. They think a little bus knows them about Bigfoot. I got to go check it out. So I, because I'm already just, my whole mind was to get up to the trails and start hiking and filming. I wasn't thinking about a souvenir shop at the time.

So I walked in, nobody was there, and I just browse around a second. It was typical souvenir, key shirt hats, trinkets, nothing of interest. As I turn around and start to go out, that's when I noticed off to the left was this turnstile, and it looked like a glass display plate cases inside the annex of this building. So I walk over and lean in to see what it is if it's something I need to pay attention to. And as far down the length of it and on both sides of it are these, looks like, glass jewelry display cases and these china-looking display glass. case, and there's just stuff in them every inch of the way down.

So I thought, okay, and it cost a dollar to get in this extra section. And I put my dollar in, I go in, and I got to tell you, Jeremiah, I feel like a kid in a, let's say Star Trek or something that I would have been so fascinated by at that time, but it was unbelievable. This guy had, the owner had all these castings of feet and hand and hair samples and newspaper and magazine clippings and pictures. He had just a plevy of them down through there, and I'm just walking through there,

and I'm circling around, and I'm going back down, and I'm circling around, because I want to read and see everything that's in there, because it was just unbelievable. And he realized I was in there for a while, and he'd come over, and he says, I couldn't help them, see, you're very interested,

and we just had a general conversation, and I end up telling him about my experience with Brady, and Brady having his encounter, and he was amazed by that. He said, oh, really? He said, I didn't think those creatures might be in South Carolina, but I know they're here. He said, I've had experiences and encounters,

and he said, what you see here is a collection of everyone who's from this area has brought their evidence and brought it to have it displayed here, which it did. It had names and years and locations where these castings had all been made, which a lot were Spirit Lake and Mount St. Helens, before the volcanic explosion. So I'm just like a kid, and it turned in an hour-plus conversation.

At the end of that, as I'm trying to kind of work my way out, this young guy who I don't know where he come from, he comes in, and he's just kind of meandering along and shaking his head and just a-huns and not really chiming in. And as I'm about to leave, he says,

I couldn't help me hear you say you're going up to take pictures of the mountain and the volcano. I said, that's exactly where I'm, hit it. He said, I can do something better than that. He said, I got a helicopter parked up the road about a mile. He said, if you are okay with it, he said, I'd take you up and put you, take you into the mouth of the volcano. And I'm like, looking at him like, okay. And so I said, all right, that sounds cool with me. And it turned out of $50. And I thought, well, that's a lot of

money back in 86, but I didn't think much about it. So I followed this guy up the road and sitting there is this nice looking, uh, uh, bland new looking helicopter sitting there looks like any, like something really expensive. And it wasn't anyone else up there,

but just him and I. And, uh, we did in, crawl in. I had my camera equipment and, uh, we put the headphones on. And I was only the second time I had been in a helicopter. And the other time was for up in, uh, Gatlinburg when I did just a quick tour circle. So this guy,

he sets it up, gets us in the air. And I was like, wow, I never really realized how easy it was to see so many things because we were only flying about five, six hundred feet. And we weren't even that high maybe. And he would just pull up every once in a while because we got away from the parking lot where he had this thing, the pad, he had this thing sitting on. I'm looking out through the foot viewpoint. And then I'm looking out the window.

And I can easily see all these elk are down there on the tundra grazing. And I couldn't believe how good I could see them. And I was making comments about it. I was looking at it. I said, wow, I didn't know you could see this much as easy from a helicopter compared to a plane. So he would hover. He would just pull up and let me take some pictures. And all that time, we're looking straight at the mountain.

I mean, I'm looking at unbelievable devastation of Mount St. Helen Wright Square in front of me about a mile ahead of me. And that caught my eye. But I'm being a jokester because I was like 20, 27, 28 years old then, and I wasn't being mean-spirited, and I had no idea who this guy was, except I knew he had me in his hands of a helicopter, and he was really doing good so far, and he was in a Bigfoot souvenir shop, but I had no idea if this guy had anything to do with any of that, because he didn't come in and join in any of the conversation with me and the owner.

So I looked at him, and I'm talking to him over the headset, and I said, I didn't know you could see as well from the helicopter. I said, did you ever see a Bigfoot? I said, I got to ask you, did you ever see any big flood before the mountain blew? I figured he'd just laugh me off or tell me to get lost. And he looked right at me, he said, yes, I did. And I had like, really? He said, I did see two just a few weeks before the mountain exploded.

And I said, no kidding. And that's when he told me, he said he was coming back from bringing in the Johnstown, or Johnston Observatory Scientist, geologists. he had taken a couple of them up to do something with their seismic equipment where they had a place located at the, I think I was the eastern edge of the mountain top and they were monitoring the volcano. They were up there doing monitoring seismic activity. And he said as he was flying back down, he said the north side of the lake of Spirit Lake,

it was a grassy, all this sawgrass was there and it was very, no vegetation. except grass, and he's flying at about 150 feet elevation right across the water to pick up another group of people that wanted to come up for a tour. And as he's doing that, he looked down through, again, he had this opening in his feet, and he saw movement. He said he saw this dark figures, and he thought it was bears. At first he said he pulled up the helicopter, and he's hovering above them, and he's studying down looking at them, and he realized they're walking and not on four.

legs, they're on two legs side by side. And he realized, because he had been in the air so many times, he had quite a bit of experience. He knew he had a mental judgment of size. And he knew these things were massive compared to humans by what he was able to see features from the air at 150 feet or thereabouts. And he said, he just hovered and they never one time looked up to him. They just kept their course walking side by side.

and he had to keep back in the helicopter up because they were walking. He was facing them, he said, and he had to back the helicopter up, but they never looked up to see what was above them or cared about what was above them. And he said they walked several yards, and then finally they both turned and went into the wood line

and wilderness and just kind of disappeared out of sight. So I'm like, wow, no kidding. I thought, this guy's either full of it or he is really telling me something. I don't think anybody else at that time had seen anything from the air. So he flies me around and takes me up to where the observatory is and then starts showing me some other features of explaining what it had looked like to what, I mean, it looked like the surface of the moon when I was there. There was no vegetation on that area.

It was horrible. Just pure ash everywhere. So as we're flying back down to where we had first come up back from the, across from the pad and stopped and hover for the elk, we were down at the run. we were down at the right side there and it was called the Tuttle Creek Fork and that's where the Spirit Lake which is a reservoir would spill into Tuttle Creek and then it would feed the water down to Kelso

and Castle Rock and I don't know what other little tributaries it filled down there but anyway he said he looked I said did you ever see Bigfoot anymore before the mountain blue and he looked at me real serious and he said yes I did but if I tell you what I'm about to tell you you got to give me your word

and you keep it confidential he said I don't want to lose my pilot license well he must have he must have still had his license because it's six years later since the mountain had blown in 80 1980 that I'm in the helicopter now and he pulls us up right over this little tributary where this Fort Toot Creek fork is at and we're hovering looking down and he said after the mountain blue he had to stay out of the air

for two or three weeks because of the air quality would have killed the engine on the helicopter and caused the crash so until air quality was reachieved he stayed grounded so no big deal when he went back

up and started taking people that wanted to witness the explosion of the volcano know, he was just doing his normal thing and no big deal until one day, a couple weeks into his flying, they were clearing. They had brought these steam shovels in, the big wedges and Army Corps of Engineers and his local construction contractors that all come in. They were eagerly trying to open up that fork at spillway.

it was just he said it was just a collection of trees and debris and silt and ash and mud and it couldn't they wanted to get the water going down to the communities

that needed that reservoir could get the water back so Cowitz River that's the other one is it spills Tuttle Creek and it dumps into Calhutte's River so anyway he he's sitting there

and we're sitting there together in the chopper and he said, I'm watching this activity as I was up flying and no, no big deal. He said, there was just tons of things being hauled off. They had the big Chinook double blade helicopters in there and they were dropping big transport, whatever, cargo nets. And they were hauling a lot of that out on the cargo nets to someplace, and they were hauling it out on trucks just to get all this debris out. And there, at that time, he said that was what he watched until one day, a couple weeks in, he comes through there and he decided to pull up and watch because they were just about to lift, this big cargo net. And that's when he noticed what looked like

an arm, a hand hanging out in a massive, and a foot and a leg hanging out. And he said, these, he knew, was not bare. He could easily see they look like almost human appendages. And that's when he thought Bigfoot. But the thing is, just to give a little backstory, the one thing the guy in the souvenir shop said, as we're talking Bigfoot,

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mention Bigfoot. Well, this guy's thinking it was the same way. He's watching this thinking as a matter of fact, yeah, there was burned deer, burned elk, burned other indigenous animals found. There was all this debris and damage. Why not Bigfoot? Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and

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So he's watching them haul this cargo net up with what looks like a burnt body of Bigfoot, maybe more. He's thinking as big as, as big as the net was and having one hanging out on one side and one hanging out on the air. He figured there was at least two of them in that cargo net. At least that's what he told me. And I'm just sitting there with my mouth open.

I'm like, really, you witnessed this? He said, oh, yeah, yeah, no big deal. Well, he went on about his business after they took that Army Corps engineer helicopter, took off with that net. he went back, got his fair, his people that he was going to bring up, and he kept doing that for a couple of days, two or three days.

He's telling people that he's hauling out there for the tours about this experience, he said. And nobody really made big deals about it. They were not amazed because they were the locals. And he said, three days into him telling the stories,

some guy, a reporter from the Kelso Gazette, or whatever it was called, called him, found a way to call him, got in touch, wanted to do a report. Again, this guy's thinking, as a matter of fact, no big deal, he invites him down to his farm in Castle Rock. He gives this guy the report. The report ends up in the newspaper.

And that's when he's looking at me and telling me, within a day, this government, this sedan shows up at his farm with these two guys in suits saying they work for the government, but he never got a name who they were. They just flashed two cards at him. And they're looking at him and saying, you need to retract your story, change it that that was bears or something you didn't recognize,

but not Bigfoot, and you were mistaken. Or you're going to lose your pilot's license, and I later found out he was threatened to lose his pension, his military pension. And he still was telling me, well, I found out after the internet went live, and I was doing other research,

there was another similar report from Cowitz River area, which I don't know if somebody deliberately changed the location to throw people off from the Tootle River Fork. I don't know that, but they were telling that they were finding Bigfoot bodies and they'd being hauled off, and then they were telling how the Army Corps of Engineers allegedly had captured a Bigfoot that was injured,

and they were going in and collecting the other bodies. I don't know about all that part, But this guy, he was very sincere. But in after I started reading other reports, I found his, I was allegedly his nephew, filed a report on, I believe it was a BFRO's site,

if I'm right about that. He wrote a notation report that this person who I believe was my pilot had died from cancer. He was in Vietnam War and he might die from Agent Orange. Exposure. I don't know that. But he was a decorated soldier

because of his missions he had fallen behind enemy lines to retrieve injured soldiers and captured or yell soldiers that couldn't get out on their own and then when he came out retired out of the military or Vietnam War ended he came back to where he was from and he opened up this helicopter tourist business and I got to meet the guy so that was that was exceptional with me because I didn't have a lot of background in Bigfoot at the time except from what I do from Brady. So that's what I can tell you about that. Duane, oh my goodness.

I just have to, I just have to explain a little bit of why this is a really big deal for me right now. So just for listeners, so I have tried for years to talk to someone that has some sort of like personal connection to that situation. So to be able to talk to you, hear your story regarding that is incredible. Also, I didn't realize, didn't click in my mind that you were an actual engineer at Trojan nuclear, correct? Yes. I have been trying for years, or what feels like years, to talk to a engineer from Trojan nuclear.

because as we were talking before the show started, you know, one of my highest episodes is the gentleman who had the grew up with the experience on Near City Road in Reneer where for four years

the Sasquatch are tormenting him and his family. That happens. I am familiar with that. I read that. Yeah. That's one of those reports I would have given my life or made me my left arm to have known about when I lived there.

Here's the thing. It's like, it's crazy, though, because that happened in the late 70s, and you were there in the mid-80s, right? I was there in 86, 87. And then... I would have gone to that location and lived there if I would have known this person and could have known about his report like I do from your interview. It's, it is insane how it all lines up.

But you're also there before, I don't know if you remember an individual's name is Henry Franzoni, who is involved with Peter Byrne. And this would have been starting in the 90s. I'm mildly experienced with that. I do know about it. I just don't know details. So Mr. Franzoni is unfortunately no longer with us as of earlier this year. but I love interviewing him. And his main research area was this Reneer, Oregon area.

And he had some really, really interesting ideas about it, including that, you know, there were Bigfoot underground. There may have been tunnels involved. Just some really, really interesting stuff that he was involved with with his research in that area. So it is so cool to be able to have you on. kind of an

interlocking part of these other stories that I've had on the show. So you were actually, were you actually spending time in the Reneer, Oregon area itself to research in that area, or was it more

up near Mount St. Helens? Why? What research I did, because again, I wasn't really considered, I didn't consider myself a researcher, just a novice. that had a passion for big for finding out about big foot. And after I went to the souvenir shop, then my interest grew.

I mean, it became exponential after that. I'm like, oh my gosh, you have all this. So I kind of started focusing in the Olympic National Forest and the Cascades. I went down to Columbia Gorge and the, and the Dows.

Again, I didn't know Peter Byrne had a museum down there. I never, no one told me about it. No one led me to him because I wasn't speaking about my, interest. And then there was, I know I had to be very, very close because it's just like a feeling I get. When I'm around any locations that I used to travel all over the country for my field

engineering experience, if I would get in an area, because again, didn't have internet, didn't have until later, didn't have internet, didn't have any resource people to communicate with this to lead me somewhere, it was all gut feeling. And I would go in those woods when something told you. me there might be something there in that place that you're telling me that was in the Rainier area. I know I was on those roads

and walking in those woods without the knowledge of knowing that this guy was virtually living amongst them. Oh my goodness. So you were, it was all wow, it was just off of how it felt. That's incredible. It did. It felt like something

was there that was different. And I thought But the Bigfoot's up in Castle Rock and it's up in Mount St. Helens, my God, it's got to be here. And again, I wasn't connecting the Patterson Gimlin in Northern California with Northern Oregon. No one was giving me any insight. Again, I didn't have anyone to communicate with until, you know, many years later. And Trojan, unfortunately, got knocked down. It's gone.

And there's no going back to that because I was, once I got in. involved with Bigfoot research as adamantly as I did once I come to Pennsylvania in 1992, but I didn't get involved with a group in a group concept. I didn't get into Bob Bennett until 2000. Well, actually, 99, as I was part of the Bigfoot network of Ohio, but that was purely phone and email. There was no physical persons, and they were leading me to one or two different places up here on the mountain and Chestnut Ridge that they knew about.

But no one, I had no one to communicate about, in a personal way about Bigfoot. But when Matt Moneymaker put the BigFRO website together in 95, I found it like in 96, and I submitted Brady's report, he wouldn't do it because I contacted him. And I said, Brady, are you willing? because I contacted two of the early members of the BFRO who were living in Washington and they were, it was a man and wife team, and they were very eager to hear

about Brady's experience and counter, and Brady wouldn't talk to them. So I said, do you give me your permission to share your story with them? And he said, you do whatever you want. I'm not going to think about it anymore. But he wouldn't talk about it ever. So that's how it ended up,

if you go on the BFRO website, under reports and go to South Carolina and go to Kirshaw County, you'll find a B report because I submitted it instead of Brady. They call it a B report. And there was now another, that's why when you, I kind of got excited when you had your guest on the other day for Newberry. Right. And Lake Murray, because again, now as the road goes, it's 60 miles to where Brady had

his encounter from Lake Murray. and Newberry. But as the crow flies across the country, it's only like 22 miles from Newberry to Watery, and it's only like 25 miles from Lake Murray to Watery. So there's been a lot of reports over the years that we've had internets and Bigfoot websites, groups that develop that's come out of that area. So there's a, I think there's a healthy population of Bigfoot in that area, although we, know just from our experience up here, we think they do migrate for food or maybe they do that to stay out of sight if they have a tribe or whatever you want to call them, a group of them. If they start populating too explicitly, eventually too many people is going to see them.

So they've got to spread out or they've got to divide and move out of a given area. If too much activity starts showing up, even if it doesn't get close to the home the den or wherever they're homesteading, they know that it's just a matter of time. Some human is going to get too close so they can only avoid human interaction by moving around and maybe coming back to that location at a later date. At least that's my concept and feelings. That's so interesting. I want to kind of circle back to something real quick.

Do you remember the gentleman's name who owned that gift shop museum up there. I had it in my notes and I cannot find it. He's no longer up there, no longer. It's sold because there's another guy that owns it now. And I wrote him, he was on YouTube, I guess is where I saw him at. And he didn't respond to me. I wanted to know if he had interacted. But I heard the guy died that I had interacted with. And now the helicopter guy, I believe is the same guy died. So there's nobody up there that I interacted with, which I'm very sad. I'm sad.

I mean, you've got to realize my lifestyle when I was out there was unimaginable. I had all these guys who were pilots. I had two guys that had sailboat fishing boats that had me out in the river steelhead fishing.

If I wasn't flying and if I wasn't hiking and doing horseback riding on me down at Cannon Beach and Surfside Beach and that story, if I wasn't doing stuff like that, I was doing my thing. But I didn't have as much free time. Plus, we worked our back sides off trying to do the modifications that we were doing

in the plan at the time. So I was working by average 50 hours a week, sometimes 60 hours a week. But I made time, fortunately, to enjoy my life out there and Bigfoot got factored in. It wasn't even one of my planned activities out there when I went out there. It's like, okay, I'm going to enjoy the Pacific Northwest and see what the heck it's all about, never thinking I was going to bring Bigfoot research into the mix of my activities. But I had no choice after I met this guy and he's telling me all this stuff it went on out there. Oh, yeah. I had to be part of it.

When you were out there, did you, do you think you at any time got close to a Bigfoot or had a sighting or anything like that? Or was it more you're starting to get into it at that point? I don't recall anything that had any visual that I can obtain or no. The linear area that I went into that I said I was close to were the report that you did with the gentleman. I have a feeling. If there was as many in there as he claimed, I was being watched. But I had no, I didn't get a feeling of it. I mean, I knew I was in nature and I knew they got the animals who to attack you out there.

They got mountain lines. And they've got, well, they didn't have grizzly bears back then, but I thought these bears are more aggressive than what we have in South and North Carolina. So I was very cautious. So I had that apprehension like, because I didn't carry a weapon out there, even though I did have my 44 mag. I didn't carry that when I went to woods. I had bear, I mean, not bear spray. I had pepper spray, a military canisters of pepper spray on both of my hips and a hunting knife on my belt. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages.

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I didn't have a carry permit. Being that I was a non-resident, I was, you know, a worker, and I couldn't obtain a carrying permit like I can here in Pennsylvania and all. So I was very cautious knowing, hey, any moment something could come, an elk or something could come tearing out of the woods and attack me. I was just cautious, but I never saw or felt Bigfoot when I was out there, which is, like I said, if you run the clock ahead, run the calendar ahead to when I came up here in 92

and then started exploring southwestern Pennsylvania and sections of Ohio and West Virginia, I would have been a different person out there. If it would have just been less than 10 more years, which actually I can only say really 99, 98, 99. When I met, when I got in touch with the people from Bigfoot research, and then I, there was three groups. Well, the Bigfoot Network Research Organization,

they didn't help me very much with how to be a researcher. They just told me where to go and look for track. and listen for, and if I smell or see anything unusual, just keep a, you know, do a ledger. I always took a notebook with me, a little spiral notebook. And they say, anything you see here, just write it down, call us, let us know. Okay. These two guys were Kent State University professors who had grown up in Fayette County owned up at the area where a lot of activity has happened over the years.

And they had had had encounters. and they had always had an interest in Bigfoot since as teenagers when they went out hunting had had encounters in Fayette County up on the mountain. And when they went to Kent State where they were professors at, they still had an interest in Bigfoot, but they didn't pursue it until the Internet came out. And that's when they created the Bigfoot network of Ohio, but they didn't have any active members that were gathering physically to go to areas.

And I became there when I contacted them, they said, you're going to be our Pittsburgh connection. If we get any reports, if we know about anything activity-wise, we'll call you, you'll get the information in the witness name that they're willing to meet with you. And if you want to explore that area, we'll tell you how to get to it. So that was in 98 and 99. And I got two or three good reports, but nothing developed. And I still didn't know enough about Bigfoot research except, hey, if I'm bumping my self along up here and something. steps out, throws a rock at me, which I didn't even think about rocks then until later. But I just figured, hey, if they're here, I'll know they're here. They'll let me know

they're here. I didn't realize how difficult it is to enhance or intrigue Bigfoot wanting to contact you or be physically made aware of your presence and its presence. But anyway, in 99, the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization, GF, G-C-B-R-O, came online, and they had a contact point on there, didn't know any of these people. They were in Kentucky and Tennessee, and all the way down into Louisiana, the two founders, one was in Louisiana, and one was in Tennessee, which was Mary Green. I don't know how old you are, and I don't know what you know or ever heard her name mentioned, but she was a renowned, on the East Coast anyway, a renowned.

Bigfoot researcher and she had had her and her group in Tennessee had several encounters and they that's why they were in the Bigfoot website and research because they wanted to collect other people's reports and try to figure out something about these get a get some connectivity some some confirmation of what other people were researching and finding so I emailed her and she end up wanting to talk to me, so we ended up making, we became friends. She was older than me by a lot, by a very nice lady, and she was willing to share her information on what they were doing as research efforts, what kind of, they were baiting, what kind of food items, what were they doing and what were they getting results of? And the one, she was telling me they were using garlic

and onions, and that was the most effective thing that they could bait and get the bigfoot to come together. They seem to have some real, real interest in garlic and onions, something spicy like that or something with a rich flavor. So I was trying that, and she was kind of coaching me, and then she said her teenage son and her

had an encounter with two of them. He brought his boombox, and he was into like ACDC, Metallica, and all that, and she didn't care for that. She liked country, I think, if I remember, and she was critiquing him, but he was playing his rock music putting his boom box up on top of the Jeep that she had.

And they were in this isolated area where they had already had some other activity before this. And two of these things, they watched them come down to the side of the hill, a big one and a medium-sized one, and they never came down close enough to really be right in front of them. But they were like rocking back and forward behind a tree, and they were staying there for a couple of hours. While this music is booming out across the woodlands. I didn't ever try that.

I had guys that wanted to do guitar, guitars on our night outings, but I didn't do the boom box. But she said that was effective for their big foot. Doesn't mean it was going to be for everybody's big foot. And then she asked me in late 1999-2000, she said, Duane, have you been noticing any tree structures, any stack trees, tree stockings, or anything interwoven.

And I said, Mary, where I go, the woods that I go in, I said, but here in southwestern Pennsylvania, I said, we get a lot of ice, a lot of windstorms, and these trees are very brittle. And I said, there is dead fall everywhere. I said, no, I don't pay attention to any of that. She said, well, just do me a favor. Next time you're in the woods, just,

and she sent me some pictures of what she was talking about, which one was a big X. and then the other one was the tripod. It was a little tripod. And I said, sure. If I get in the woods soon, I'll start paying attention. And there was a place called Pine Ridge State Park. That's where I sent you some pictures from.

And I had been, I knew about this place because we had golf tournaments at the country club down the street from there, which bordered this area. And it was very intriguing to me because I just thought it was a beautiful wooded area. and this was the headway of the Chestnut Ridge. It started in Blairsville in this Pine Ridge State Park, and then that merged into the Game Lands, which was Chestnut Ridge. Well, I had been, just for entertainment purposes, just for loving nature, had been walking that area

and enjoying the beauty of it. It hadn't seen really anything that made me think Bigfoot was even there, but that was one of my spots that I enjoyed going out on Sunday or Saturday hikes until Mary tells me to look for tree stuff. And I don't know how it just by coincidence. I went out like a week after our phone call. And I'm walking one of the pathways that I had previously done two or three or four times over several months period.

And I'm looking and off to the left, I see what I can only, say is a symmetrical stacking of trees that were about three to four inches in diameter, about four feet in length, stacked symmetrically around the base of a tree. And I'm like, okay, maybe some kids did that. Because it was off the footpath I was on, but it was off in the kind of brushy, kind of thorny, nasty little place that nobody really would have wanted to do this for the heck of it for fun. and 90, including me, had I not heard her ask me to start looking for things,

I would have just walked right piet and ignored it and never paid any attention to it. So I went over and I took some pictures. And I thought, okay, wait, do I show this to Mary. So I go on with my hike, I do like two or three more miles. And I didn't see too much of anything impressive the rest of that little two or three miles. and I come back around where the power line is, the firebreak, and I see what looked like some little twisted saplings, and I thought, well, these got to be kids,

but they were just not looking like kids would have done. And I didn't see any footprints, but it was kind of, as Jeff Meldrum says, about the substrate, the soil, the substrate was very compounded. they actually had a coal, like a coal pile of coal had been there, and there was no way anything was going to, but leaving a deep impression. So I didn't think, like, took a couple pictures, and that was like on a Sunday, that was a weekend,

and it was a Sunday, and this is in February. And I didn't think about it. So it was like a week, two weeks went by. I went back there because we had had a windstorm, and we had ice in the area. So I really knew I was going to probably see a lot. lot of down trees. And when I got back, I did the same, to start with, I did the same footpath, the trail

coming where my car was at in the parking lot. And two weeks before I had been there, there was nothing out there other than these things I just described a second ago. And I'm going up this trailhead to go back into Chestnut Ridge, into the game lands, and something had took all these pre-lams. That's what one of the pictures I sent to you. it's a natural, it looks like a big dream catcher. They had taken all these two, three inch diameter trees and limbs

and brought them over on the trailhead that I had gone up that earlier, two weeks earlier, and they had intricately twisted them inside of each earth so that they were the width of the trail and about the height that I am, about six foot, I'm six two, and it was about the same height as me, and it was all delicate stuff, but they had made a screen, a fence, a barricade across the trail. And I thought, well, what the heck? Who did this? What kind of irritated me?

Again, I'm just still an end. I was just a novice. I mean, I was just still learning and hoping that something was going to give me some, something. And I just tore it apart. I usually don't do that. I don't do it now because it's bad things happen when you tear their structures down. They don't like that if they're still in the area.

So I tore it down, threw it off to the side and kind of laughed it off and said, hey, let's see if they like that, and they see if it comes back. So I did my hike out two or three miles, a couple hours. And I'm not seeing too much of anything. And I come back this time, walking, following, there's a spring-fed creek. It's a stream that runs at the base of the hill mountain, and I'm hiking on the trail I'm on.

And if you go left, it goes over to the power line firebreak, and the stream follows parallel with the firebreak. and I'm following that and I find some more trees pulled over but they were bigger trees this time they were snapped and twisted from about three to four inches off the ground

and something had just obliterated them I don't know what it was but it didn't look like wind damage compared to other natural stuff and that's when instead of going all the way down to the furthest distance before I would have cut back left and come back into the parking lot I decided to take a cut through

and that would have got me back to the first path where I'd started out at, and that's probably about, I don't know, three, four hundred yards through the woods, maybe somewhere in that distance. And it's pretty dense, and there was a lot of down trees. And that's when I came up on those shelters. And I have to call them shelters. They were primitive-looking, something like I would have built as a kid, but it didn't look like anything, and it shouldn't have been any adults in their building

or kids, but there's no houses around this park. And nobody's ever there. I mean, back in those days, back in 2000 and 99, there was nobody ever. I never ran into a soul in this park any time I was there, weekday or weekend. I don't know why. So I'm studying this one that was just some stacked wood up against a tree that had been turned over, and it was like a wing to blind. And I go up and I'm looking at it because by now I'm starting to get the ideas of what you're supposed to look at.

So I'm looking for human activity. There was no gum wrappers, no cigarette butts or paper, no boot tracks. There was no sign of anything that had been there to make that wing to. I'm taking pictures, thinking about it, writing it down in my little notebook, thinking, I'm going to send this to Mary. She's going to get a kick out of this. And I walk about another 50 feet, and that's when I see the one that's complete. That looks like the size of a pup tent made out of the stacked sticks, logs.

There had been a full-grown tree. Something had taken the root base and wedged it down in the fork of another tree and left the tip end of it down on the ground. And they had taken the sticks, the logs, and stacked them all the way down and then kind of intricate, then twisted them together at the back of it. And I'm looking at this thing and I'm like, wow, somebody, maybe primitive campers had done this or somebody that was having fun.

Well, I took my pictures and I'm walking. I did like a 360 around it and I did spread out another 20 feet and did another 360 just to see if I could find any tracks. I couldn't find any. So I'm getting intrigued by it because I want to see what, you know, I'm kind of curious how big this thing that it looked like I could fit inside of it. And sure enough, I take, and again, this is February and it was probably, it was below freezing. We're talking like 28, 29 degrees, but it was cold. And I take my backpack off, and I drop my gear, take my coat off, and I get down and do like a commando crawl. It was actually big enough that I could have just crawled in easy on hands and feet.

It wasn't that tight. And I crawled up inside this thing. It ended up being tons of room inside. I had another two feet above my head and plenty of elbow space. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. On this episode of Plant Killers, we'll explore One Nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, Bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad? The answer? The ingredients. But fear not true crime enthusiasts. This story has a happy ending. Miracle Grow organic raised bed and garden soil. It's made with quality organic ingredients from upcycled green waste like compost and aged bark. Unlike the other guys who can't say the same, looks like bad dirt's murdering days are over. Thanks to Miracle Grow. Join us next time on plant killers. All right, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there. What's worse? Being understaffed or being poorly staffed. Well, that's a trick question, because both are recipes for chaos. Either way,

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that we talk now quiet. There was no sound of any sort. I mean, suddenly it goes from, I'm hearing one bird over here, which sounded like a, and I heard a crow. All in the day I had been up there, I just heard one or two birds because it was a clear sunny day,

even though it was February. I heard a couple different birds, but this particular time, it was that eerie, quiet. And as I'm standing there, getting this weird, oppressive feeling, I started itching like somebody had poured itching powder on me. I felt like out my skin was being eaten. And all I can think of,

and I have no proof of it, because you can't see it, I think there was a living animal, and I don't know if there was a bear or a big foot in that space I had just crawled into, but I think I had mites on my body, and I was itching like something crazy. To the point, I had to go home and take two showers to get it off of me. It was a miserable feeling, but I was head to toe itching, and I believe a big foot or something was in that dwelling, and I think if these mites were on it, because it was the living host.

And then when it escaped out of there to miss seeing me or me seeing it, I must have been the next host that it decided to get on. And that was horrible. So now I'm feeling this oppressive feeling, and I don't know what's going on, and I can't hear or see anything at that moment that makes me think there's some reason to get the heck out of there. So I put my gear back on, and I'm going to walk over where a whole lot of trees have fallen,

and that's where that one picture you have, you can study it later. It's another tree that's been pushed down, and you can tell where something had scraped out about five foot in length, about two feet deep, and about three feet wide under this fallen log, A little somebody, a little person could go in and crawl in under that and hide. And what got my attention was, is what you see in that one picture, something with claws or sharp fingernails had gouged out the dead tree on top of this scooped out area. And again, we're in February and 20-something degree weather. And these termite larva were crawling around in this.

scooped out area. So something was trying to get to these termites in the middle of winter, which is not normal. So that's a bizarre situation for me to find those shelters that had never been seen by me. And I went back and I did share them with Mary and she was, she was amazed. And then I come back a couple weeks later and all but one of those were knocked down. They were gone. Something had knocked him down. But the one I had crawled in was still in place. As I'm leaving this particular time, I was back to my car. The Park Ranger drove in. I'd never seen him before. And by coincidence, he pulls in and he was an older fellow. And I go over and have a chat with him. And I mentioned this whole ordeal to him. And he's just standing there

looking at me. He says, well, that's wrong right there. He said, no one is allowed. No overnight camping. no hunting, no anything, is allowed in this park after dark. He said, I'll go back and check and make note of it, but he said, trust me, there's no primitive campers here. If they are, they're breaking the wall. He said, there's kids camping, they're breaking the wall. He said, I'm going to go back and make note of it. But he said, yeah, there's no one that should be legally in this park after dark.

So that was a big introduction for me into my research in Chestnut Ridge. And Mary introduced me to Stan Gordon. She knew him through conversations with people she had learned through the internet. And I didn't know who he was. We didn't have anybody local that I was aware of, Bigfoot, all the five years, six years I'd already been here. So I was basically independent on my own, just doing the best I could and hoping something,

if it was as many reports as the guys from Kent State were saying that hey Pennsylvania has a good history of Bigfoot, but I couldn't find any written reports to back up what they were saying verbally. So I was just out there in areas that they kind of gave me hints to go to and hoping something would make itself present. But then I met Stan and I met the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society, and I became a member, and they introduced me to some hotspots on Chestnut Ridge. and that's where a lot of activity that I was involved in

or followed up on active investigations within days or hours. Following that, that's where it all kicked off at. And then, like I said, I sent you a paper of documentation and of some of the activities that I pursued and one that I really was intrigued by, because, again, a lot of these people, other people, at the time, there was no internet sites like there are now, to use for reference. There was no conferences. There were no, up until 2005 was the first time I ever went to a conference in Ohio and met other people that were like-minded.

Before that and before the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society, I didn't really have anybody but Mary in Tennessee. She was from Higby, Tennessee, which is northern up near Daniel Boone National Forest. which is where she had some encounters at. And the Radowski brothers were up in Fayette County, which I hadn't even ventured up to yet. I didn't know about those locations, so I'm just in other places that later there was activity occurred in those places. The 2003, the January 2003, that one was really an amazing event for me

and three other guys. we went up to top of Derry Ridge, which is the third or fourth highest elevation in Pennsylvania, and on the east, probably like the seventh highest elevation in the East Coast. It's a 2,610 feet elevation, I believe, where we were at that we had our, well, we didn't have an encounter, but we had evidence that we know was a big foot. It had snowed really, really big. and we, one of the guys had a Jeep Cherokee scout. And, no, it was a chief.

It was a Cherokee chief. That was a beast. Had the big eight-scylinder engine, knobby tires. That was the only reason we made it to the top of the mountain because we were driving in eight, nine inches of snow. And we get up to the fire tower, the abandoned fire tower at the top. And we all get out and we're standing up to almost our knees and about 15 inches of snow. And we spread out.

and all of these guys were Bigfoot, research guys, had been doing it for several years with the PBS, and they were very smart about their background. One guy actually had navigated, been the mapping, navigating guy for this whole, for like 2,500 acres back in the 60s and the early 70s. He had mapped this area for the landowners and later for the game commission. So he knew, and he had had had to. several big foot encounters over those years.

He knew that area like the back of his hand. So, hey, he was up there with us. Another guy was, I think he was Iroquois. He was a Native American and full-blooded. And we had him there in case we had something he needed to, and it was good he was with us because the tracks we found, he confirmed him. And then the other guy was just a regular researcher.

I had been doing it years before me. And it was a little older in me. So we get out and we ran out of the end. Right out of the car, we find what we later discovered was, we're 99% short, it was cougar tracks. They were three and a half inch diameter, big as your fist, basically, a loose fist. And they were about three and a half foot, went between the left, rear, and the front right. And we followed these tracks off the top of the mountain. And we knew it was a cougar because there was a distinctive two-inch drag mark in that snow at periods of time where it was letting his tail

down in the snow. So we're following this cougar down, what we believe is a cougar, down this firebreak off the top of the mountain to a logging road. And when we get down to the logging road, which is probably a good hundred yards down this hillside, this slope, suddenly the cougar tracks just vanish in the thin air. We're walking along on the logging trail watching these cougar tracks, and they just disappear in the thin air. And we're all standing there like, well, what does the darn thing go?

He couldn't have just vanished. And so we spread out. And the best we could in this thick snow and just general gnarledch, it was all around us. We're walking in the diameter around these last tracks we have visual of. And one of the guys spots, it turns out, the best bigfoot tracks any of us had ever seen. It was 17 by 8.5 wide, 17 length. You could see the distinctive toe. marks. You could see the footprint and it was so heavy and it was walking parallel with the trail

with the logging road. It was off to the side in the grunge in the 15 plus inches of snow and it was so heavy that it was crushing the snow down to about an inch, two inches to the ground. And when it was stepping, we measured all this and I actually tried to recreate it. It was stepping about four and a half feet to the next right foot track to the left foot track was a distinct of four and a half foot stride and it was crushing every one of its steps were the same from its excessive weight and it didn't leave drag marks it didn't it didn't do anything that normal because i'm six two and i have a but if i really try to stretch my legs on the road in clear conditions i can stretch almost two and a half feet two in my younger days two and a half to three foot but that's almost like jumping into my

next uh step i couldn't do it i couldn't bring my foot up out of that track without a drag mark i couldn't pick my legs straight up and and put my foot over or anywhere i mean i couldn't imitate that that walk for any so we followed these sets this trackway we took pictures i can actually send you one of the pictures. And we followed it for about, I say, 200 yards, eighth of a mile, whatever it's come without two. But we walked and followed this trackway. And we all knew this area because we were up there a lot.

And they had been up there a lot since 99 before I met them. But when I was with them, we were up there several times from 2000 to 2003. in the period of time during summer, fall, other good months, not in the snow. This was the first time anybody had made to venture up there in the extreme weather. So we get out to where this suddenly we're in an open area. It's like a glade. It's like the size of maybe four living rooms or five living rooms. It's like a 20 by 25 times in this grassy, fall grass area, very pretty in the summer when it grows up.

and as we're getting into that, the tracks just vanished. They just stopped. It didn't go anywhere. And there were some people like, well, maybe it backed up in its own tracks. I'm like, there's no way that it backed up in those tracks

as perfect as those tracks are. I said, it just stopped. And then that's where you got these people that want to start talking about quantum physics or portals or UFOs. I mean, I was never a believer of that, but I'm not a person to challenge anything. I can't prove otherwise. And I don't want anybody challenging my research that I've been able to accomplish.

So I try to be as professional and diplomatic as I can when something like it happens. But I witness that with my own eyes. I'm like, okay, this is amazing. And unfortunately, we couldn't cast anything back then because they didn't. didn't have any think that would hold together and form a cast in snow in 2003. The military and the law enforcement did, but the public had not received that product until, I don't think it was 2010 or 2013, that something came out because Jeff Melgram is the one who told me later, when I met him in 2000, you know, met him at Cabellas at another event we had.

he in 20, I think it was 2013, he said there was now a spray that would freeze, hardened snow that the military and law enforcement had used. It's called snow blow or snow something, and it's in a spray can, and it will freeze the particles of snow around the track so that you can cast it.

Because when the track's dry and it's creating heat, it's a friction, so it melts the snow, but he said this stuff is, it's like, liquid nitrogen or spray nitrogen. And he says it's so cold, it'll keep the snow condensed so that you get a decent track out of it. But we haven't got a chance to try it out that I know of. So that's another one for you. Dwayne, absolutely incredible that.

So I'm going to, I'm going to use an analogy, which sometimes this gets me in trouble. But let me just hear me out that. this is the highest compliment. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt.

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blistering rash disrupted my life for weeks. Don't learn about your shingles risk the hard way. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist today. Sponsored by GSK. Okay. You have been involved with so many amazing things and it's like you just kind of are going through Bigfoot history and just meeting this person, this person. The only thing that comes close is the movie Forest Gump. Do you know what I mean? Like he kind of. But in a cool way, right? Yeah, yeah. And I'm just thinking, I'm like, man, he has been the stuff that you've got like Mount St. Helen stuff, but then you're also like doing Chestnut Ridge and Stan Gordon.

And it's such a, such a cool, cool thing. And I think, you know, I would love to have you back on the show at a later date. I mean, I'm looking at a list of different encounters that you, reports that you took over. the years and there's more than a few on here that I would love to know more info about and I think definitely it warrants you coming back on the show if you would be interested in that at a later time. I would be very pleased to come back and thank you for a second invite. I would love to go. I've got six, seven hours of material that's my material that I personally, you haven't even

heard of my lock throwing encounters and my tree being pushed over in the wood knocks and all the things that were in my face type stuff. I mean, you, I can turn the whole table and get away from the historical stuff and tell you personal stuff. It'll blow your socks off. I think, I think we're going to get there for sure, Dwayne. And, man, is there a way that people can keep up to date with what you're doing? Or are you one of these guys that are kind of in the shadows and when you get out and start talking, people are like, wow, where this guy comes from? I was very much, I was very much a shadow guy for years, letting other people share my experiences, and I was fine with that.

And I only come out in 2013. That was the first time I really did a, or 2017, I'm sorry, 2017, that I did a podcast with Smalltown Monsters, another group that does exactly what you're doing, except they do have a lot of boots on the type experience, but I was willing to come forward because the guy has encouraged me. He said, Dway, you've got to tell some of your stuff to somebody. You can't keep it hidden all this time. I said, okay, all right, that's fine. So, yeah, I started doing podcasts or documentaries in that case.

In 2017, I've done probably six or seven since then. And that's why I'm very intrigued to do yours, because I like how your audience, how your followers are very informed and very professional. They don't bash people like me that have. I can't help I have experiences I have. It just seems to drop in my lap. I wish I knew because the other thing is so frustrating is, or not frustrating, but interesting is I go looking for Bigfoot, trying to get information and evidence

on Bigfoot, and I end up with all these strangers, which is a thing it is. That's a lot of title of strange, rare and unusual, other events. And I can have a whole session on that because I've done presentations just on that element. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, we try to keep things classy over here and, you know, see what we can learn from different individuals that have had encounters. I think you can learn something from anyone. So, but between us. I'm good with anybody who wants to communicate.

Anybody wants to reach out through your, I don't know, if this is going to be on YouTube or TikTok or however you're going to present this. I'm fine with anybody. I'm an open guy. I talk to anyone on the same level I'm speaking with you. I give everybody the same respect. And I don't hold back. Now, if somebody starts challenging me in a very non-professional way,

I will shut them down because I don't want to be badgered by anybody. I tell them, hey, don't judge anyone that does this unless you're willing to come out and experience it for yourself because it's a different environment. than sitting in your house looking at the computer. Oh, yeah. You, you, you,

are unfortunately a lot of people that want to grandstand and get a, a publicity, and they put, they, they embellish their experience or they have none and they cap, they steal experiences like, I've had a couple stolen from me that people want to own for themselves. It's probably my own fault that I've shared open,

been too open with people, and they ended up trying to own the, own the experience, then, and it wasn't them. Someone had never even been in a, woods before. So those I don't want to participate with, but anybody that has a genuine, sincere, honest interest, I'll be glad to talk with them for hours, take them to the points

that I can take them to, and they'll be amazed. I know they're going to be amazed. That's awesome. Do you have an email address that people can reach out to at Dwayne? Yeah, it's my Yahoo account, one of them. It's my last name truncated is P-I-N-T-O-F-D-E at Yahoo.com. That's the one I have on my business card. Okay. Awesome. And they're more than welcome to send me a message.

I'm on Facebook and Messenger and TikTok. And I love to talk about this stuff. And again, I have an open interest on all areas of cryptozoology and I'm not so much in following UFOs and UAPs. That's another element that people sincerely follow. But I've had exposures, and that one paper I sent you with the illuminated object, that's the only thing I got this close to a UFO, and I was out big footing when that happened.

Wow. And that was very special. So I don't follow those other areas of interest as much as I do Bigfoot. Well, Dwayne, you've had some really interesting things happen so far. I could see, you know, you definitely are probably going to keep having things happen as well, but I just want to say thank you for coming on the show. We're definitely going to be in touch and having you back on again. But, man, it's been a pleasure chatting with you today.

Thank you. Well, thank you. And I've had a pleasure talking with you as well, Jeremiah. Thank you for taking time to listen to me and to publish this out. to your followers and I hope, yeah, I look forward to another interview session with you in the future. I just want to take a few minutes to say thank you to you, all my listeners, for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subsisting.

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