Bigfoot Society - The Sasquatch Killing Fields of Hatcher Pass, Alaska

Episode Date: August 21, 2023

Some of the most intense encounters I have recorded so far are in this episode. I now know why Josh camps in groups from here on out and so will you after this episode.From the interviewee: My name is Josh I grew up in the Matanuska Valley during the 80's and 90's. I was raised to hunt and fish. I lived in a house that was on the edge of the Alaskan wilderness. I had a passion for exploration. I often spent my youth playing in the wilderness. I had many encounters with wildlife. At the time I didn't understand the signs or what I was looking at when I encountered Sasquatch.I now live in Oregon and am fully aware of their presence. I hope you will take my accounts at face value, and hear my story.Resources:Caribou grunt noise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2fOI845JecMap: https://hub.arcgis.com/datasets/TrainingServices::-bigfoot-sightings/exploreWATCH THE IOWA EPISODE IN THE “SASQUATCH: A SEARCH FOR SABE” DOCUMENTARY SERIES BY TATE HIERONYMUS // FIND OUT ALL ABOUT MY FIRST BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo8O4rvywzECall the Bigfoot Society BIGFOOT ENCOUNTER hotline! Have you seen a Sasquatch and would like to get what happened “off your chest” but don’t have time for an interview? NOW YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR TIME AND SHARE IT WITH THE WORLD! Share it here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsocietyTo unlock more bonus content and much more, become a supporting member of Bigfoot Society by joining the Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyBecome a Youtube Channel member here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinSupport Bigfoot Society one time by buying me a coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyTo pick up a Bigfoot Society shirt, stickers and more, check out our merch by heading on over to https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietySend me a voice message to potentially be used for the show by calling 515-809-0165 Here’s a fun prompt - “Hey, my name’s [your name] and you’re listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast!”If you’d like to send me fan mail, Bigfoot related products to check out or written out Bigfoot encounters then you reach me at the following address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Join our private Facebook group "Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters" for a chance to connect with others who have had similar experiences. Follow the directions to ensure your entry is accepted.https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_linkTune in to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q) for new episodes of Bigfoot Society, and visit our website (www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com) for all the links mentioned above and more.Don't miss out on the Bigfoot action! ——Affiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you. ——MY GEAR ——My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYMy Podcast Mic: https://amzn.to/3AlYwb9My Computer: https://amzn.to/40CCjQyMy Headphones: https://amzn.to/40A8gcrMy Webcam: https://amzn.to/3NqfddhThe best Bigfoot book: https://amzn.to/41x8IcNLose the weight along with me on Noom. Get 20% off your subscription with link below. (Consult your doctor first) https://noom.com/r/GdkaWNddL?1251Join Whatnot and pick up some sweet video games and vintage shirts. Use my link below and we both get $10 credit after you place your first order. https://whatnot.com/invite/bigfootsocietyLearn more and up your creative game with Skillshare. Use my link and get a $50 gift card. https://share.skillshare.com/bigfootsociety

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I'll let him see me. And it was just like he was looking at me. And he looked at the trees behind me. As soon as I break eye contact with him, he looks at me again. And he starts with his long arms. He starts to pull himself through. He starts moving. I was like, no, don't do it.

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All right, Bigfoot Society. Thanks for coming back for another episode. Got the privilege of talking to a new friend Josh today. Josh contacted me over the internet, and he said he had some interesting stories to share about Bigfoot from his time growing up in Alaska. So how's it going tonight, Josh? Oh, it's going great.

Beautiful day. You know, can't complain about that. Oh, absolutely. It is, you know, we had some storms roll through here, but now the grass is growing. Everything's nice and lush, and we are loving it. So same out where you're at or? Well, I mean, the weather's been nice. It's like it gets really like really hot and dry out here in the summertime. And the winter, it's real like mild rainy, kind of easy winter. So I can't complain about that. But yeah, a little, it's been, it's a bit like, because like how I grew up in Alaska and like the experiences that I had previously, like I'm slightly more aware of my surroundings. And like, I'd notice it's a little bit squatchy out here too. Like a little, a little off-putting, like to say the least. especially like

because I still like to hunt and I've been drawing I drew a couple of great tags and you know I had like you know on our way back from the beach out here in Oregon

the highway cuts across where my tag was supposed to be and I'm like just keeping an eye out just to sort of like size it up because, you know, I don't, I don't like to just, you know, willy-nilly all wander into the woods unless I know it's, it's, it's okay, you know.

And lo and behold, like, just along the road, a big, uh, big hairy parallels. I'm stepping out of the woods and stop at a little like rock outcropping right at the edge of the highway. So I'm passing by, I'm like, I got to change my tag. And that's what the, for the most part, it's been like out here. When you notice like the little, the little things, the subtle things that people might not like pay attention to, because they got their lives and all that stuff, but there, there is a lot that goes a lot, goes on in like the woods surrounding like just about anywhere I've noticed.

sometimes like animal noises and stuff you know you got your standard like deer and like you know maybe a raccoon here and there but like sometimes there's stuff that's out of place and it sounds big and it doesn't it doesn't sound correct like it sounds out of place and um it's been like an actual struggle to like psycho camping or anything like that just because I'm aware of it all. Have you ever, do you experience that or have you ever experienced that? So Josh and long time listeners of the show could probably tell this story a little bit as well. But so I've experienced, I would say maybe more Class B type things in Iowa, you know, when we went out last year, Tate and myself.

And, you know, I experienced a tree being pushed over in the woods. in front of us, wood knocks capture that night, and then my tent was unzipped at 3.45 a.m. on a Sunday night when we're out in the woods. That still messes with me today. I've not really gotten over that, and we are going back out there. And listeners can watch Sasquatch a search for Sabbe, Tate's documentary, the Iowa episode. You can find out more about that. So I've not yet heard a vocalization or actually seen a big foot, Josh, but I am getting close.

closer, right? Yeah. If you ever like, if you say go on YouTube or something, look up what a caribou's grunt sounds like. And it's

like a certain kind of like like a like a grunt like almost like like I've heard other other people you've had on a show mentioned like a like a grunty piggy sound. like a huff and then like a like a like a nasally like sort of like a deer will give a we'll give like a certain kind of grunt

like caribou is much heavier and like they got bigger lungs and so it's much much louder and my what I've noticed is like if if they're if they're safe they when I've been in a hunting in Alaska for caribu I thought that was a great sound at first, but then I was like, you know, I'm sleeping on the side of the road. I'm not even up in the mountains yet. I'm about to like hit the trail in the morning. And I'm already got like a caribou next to my tent. I'm like looking at my rival. Okay, I guess I'm getting up.

It's my lucky day. And then all of a sudden I hear a, you know, a big, like heavy like, like, like, like a horse. And then like, it's gone. By the time I'm on zipping, it's like nothing was there. I'm like a caribou would just hang around. And there was nothing, you know? And like this thing was like sniffing and grunting around the tent. And I'm like, I'm like, is it a bear?

Is it a caribou? I hope it's not a moose. You know, it's stuff like that where you can't see directly what you're, what you're dealing with. And there's like a handful of things. And in the back of my mind, I try not to think about it. It's like they could be a squatch just like checking me out. And like, I just felt funny.

Like when I actually dealt with that, like it was a little terrifying, you know, because like you don't, you don't know until you know. And then you got to get out and face the music and just see what's going on. and it's a little crazy. Yeah, I can understand. I can feel like if a zipper though, a zipper, that's that's like way beyond like,

you know, yeah, it's like, it's like your, your, your safety bubble is like that thin vinyl like wall of the tent and like a zipper is like the one thing

like animals can't really figure out. But then something's like, like, oh my God. Not cool. I don't know if I'd be. Yeah. Josh, when you heard whatever it is you heard in that tent and you heard that huff noise outside, did you hear actual? Like, do you think it was it something running away?

Can you remember like what that sounded like? It sounded like it was like you could hear its footsteps. It was like a lot of roads are like gravel out in the back parts of Alaska. and so when something's stepping out there, it's going to make that crinkly noise. But the crinkly noise it made was kind of soft. And that's what I've noticed. It was very soft.

Like a curibu, it's going to be a hoof, and it's going to have a really pronounced like steps on to it. It didn't have that, but it only had maybe, I could hear it circling. And then when I started to, unzipped the tent, it gave the huff, and then I could hear it, like, maybe

like three or four steps, and it was, it was, like, moving away. And so then I got out and it was already gone, like, into the brush. And that, now looking back, that stuff, so I was like, that's way squatchy. That's very

squatchy. And that, that's just like, you know, the the like the like the not confirmed sighting kind of just I heard something funny kind of thing but then like the the real stuff happened when I was a kid like the worst of it um does not me get into that part yet real so real quick there's probably some people that are curious can you share anything about where that area was where you had that 10 encounter yeah okay if you if you go past willow up into up the the highway there there's a there's a place called um montana creek

and i know that the the bears go there during the silver salmon run to get the salmon and up in the mountains there the caribou will be coming through to feed and The berries are usually starting to ripen. But you can, it is just north of Hatcher Pass. It's just like pretty much on a map. You could see it's like kitty corner to close to where I grew up and had my, my previous encounters. But if you just go on like Google Earth or something, you can find it.

Just type in Montana Creek. and it should just take you there. Most of the stuff that I experienced was just around those the Talkita Mountains there. But later on, I guess I'll just jump into that story

with the tent. After I experienced that, I decided I'm not going to I'm not sleeping anymore. So I packed up the tent and I decided to just push on and just get out of the area. And so I packed up my little one-man tent and I just hopped it down the road. I had my uncle drop me off there because I thought that's where the trailhead was.

Turns out it was like another five miles down the road. So I had like quite a hike just to the trail out just so I could get up the mountain. And my main focus at that exact moment was like to get into the high ground because I knew the bears were feeding on fish and they're going to be in the low ground. And so I just decided after that I was like I was out of there because I didn't want to contend with the bear. I was just, I just wanted to get my bag and go, you know. So I start hiking up up the mountain, gets the trailhead, Montana Creek. start heading up there. There's like a like a four-wheeler trail

that goes all the way up into the mountains and it just hugs the canyon to the Montana Creek below. There's like waterfalls and all that stuff and big timber and look. I hiked for all morning. Like I got up probably about 4 in the morning hike to you. Got to the trail. I had to the trail.

about 5.30 in the morning and then I just started walking up. So right around 11 o'clock, 1130 in the afternoon, I'm like, you know, really starting to huff it. And I'm getting into the berries. I'm like feeling better about everything. And I'm starting to see big rocks and all this stuff and a less sign of bear. And it's just looking a little, a little better for me. So I'm like taking breaks and working my way up. And right when I

start to get to this bend in the trail where I can't quite see around the corner. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I

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That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a Rees. I just hear others like a ferocious like roll. like a like a and like a hearth and a big like huff and then like a boulder the size of a basketball went like like just just over my shoulder like I almost got clobbered by this big rock like a big granite boulder and I could not see what did that like because like I've never had that happen to me or I like stopped saw the thing and I ran up just to peek up the corner and the thing had already like doosh doosh doosh doosh and I saw like the branches on the trees above the trail that are like rustling because it just like had just smacked through and it sounded huge and about as big as a grizzly would be so whatever it was I'm like looking back I'm like that was another experience and that's like two two in like a two in a morning that's that's crazy

and so it was big enough I had a 30 out six rifle with me it was big enough to where I was like looking down at it I was like this is a pea shooter like I don't need to be going up here so I immediately

did an about face and just like walked back down the trail called up my uncle and like had him pick me up and all that stuff. But if you're looking for a little excitement, go to Montana Creek. So there you go, listeners. And it sounds like you could be taking your life into your hands. Whenever you're doing Alaska stuff, you need to be well prepared, even probably beyond prepared, is my guess. I've never been up there personally. But from what I've seen and heard, it is a extremely wild place. And you really only get a chance.

or maybe two chances when you're out there. So. Yeah. On my way up, my uncle said, I think you made the right decision. He said that there's been four or five hunters that have disappeared up there. And I'm like, after the fact, I'm like, oh, that made me feel so sick. I was like, all right, let's just get out of here. And it just sort of. put things in perspective when it comes to hunting.

Like, you really do have to, like, look at the little things like, is there a lot of, do people pull a lot of animals out of there? Or do they pull very little? And why are they pulling very little? Is there something else eating the animals besides just, like, wolves and bears? Because there can't be that many wolves and bears eating all the deer, especially if surrounding areas have, like, say 1,500 deer come out maybe five miles down the road in either direction.

Yeah, this one only pulls out like 12. And then you see a pair of hairy legs and you know what's up. You have to be going in there. And you just, you got to just be aware, more aware than the normal. It's, um, camping is stressful. I thought it would relax me and stuff, but it's like it can be stressful. and just in that way. Once you know what's actually out there and it's like just cruising around, it takes on a whole level. It's like it becomes way more real. And I've become accustomed to

just camping and really crowded family campsites now where like there's too many people that there to be trouble, you know. Okay. Interesting. So you have, you stick to the groups for safety? Yeah. It seems it works okay, but even still, you know, you got that in the back of your mind all the time, like thinking about like, is it safe? Because like, do these people, like, because I know none of them are looking out for that sort of stuff.

They're just playing, having a grand time, but they're making lots of noise. And I like when people are making lots of noise. that's the best thing have you heard of any other encounters happening in that montana creek area have you ever looked into that just curious um i haven't heard of anything the only thing i heard was what my uncle told me was that um people have ended up missing up that very trail so but uh i do know that like farther south uh i

I've just looked into like what's going on in the mountains. And like as I understand it, this is all secondhand. I haven't like directly like asked any of the local natives like if this is a true thing. But apparently the willow side of Hatcher Pass is like they stayed out of that area because it was designated for the wild people, the Sasquatch. out there. And where I grew up was just south of that. And down in the, so just a little farther south, you got Hatcher Pass. It comes out to Willow and just over that mountain is like government peak.

And then it like slopes down. And then you were at the Matneuska Valley. You got Fish Hook Road, the Little Susie, or the Little Susitna River. coming out of the mountains. You got like a string of lakes. And like it, it was like just about endless forest all the way up to the mountains. And since then, it's like they've, a bunch of developers have come through and like just put in like a hundred houses in there.

But before that, when I was there, it was, it was just like raw. wilderness and it was like on the backside of a military reservation like so nobody went went in there you know the house I grew up in was like just um just across the street from this this wilderness and so there was little creek in there and there was like a few lakes that they were all connected to and like it was like a blast you know you you just look forward to to just like going with your friends and just like cutting into the woods and like splashing around and you know wrestling and whatever you know boy stuff um but at times like uh one one day like the my brother and i went out to the backside of the lake and we had never actually been out there

before but it was like this little meadow that had grown in uh off of this little marsh and we we decided to just like slink in there and just check it out and it's just me and my little brother we weren't very big like i think i was like maybe 10 he was like seven or eight uh you know just you know playing with stuff picking things up and looking at things i think he was tiny shoe, squashed down. And I look over and in the tree line, this was like the very first, first time we saw something. There was like just a huge Sasquatch, like in the tree line, sort of like, his hands on like the highest branches.

And he's just watching us, but he's like rocking from side to side. And once he realizes we saw him, he looked down in a way and he just sort of slinked and disappeared. He got real low, super low, and like, kind of like, disappeared into the brush. And my brother was like, we need to get out of here. And I was like, okay. And just the fact that, like, I know people have mentioned that they have like a, like a silvery shimmer to some of their fur. What I've noticed about them is like they have an undercoat of like denser fur. But then there's like these like like a much lighter wispier a longer coat on top of that so that's like a more like um so like two layers of fur uh the the upper layer is more like a it picks up the light

and when you're like say if it's like at when the sun's starting to set and the dew starts coming in it's harder to pick them up. They sort of blend in with like the mist a little more. But like because the sun was still out, I was able to pick up the red in his fur, his under fur. And it just silhouetted him enough for us to pick it up and just notice them.

And that was like the very first time. And so that we never went back to that area at least for a few years. but that that following winter we hadn't mentioned it to anybody that following winter we were um we found this little closer to home we found a nice little like gentle sloping hill and we wanted to go sledding so we went with our friends we're sledding down this hill we get that we get out there and we notice these these tracks these big tracks and like either it's a bear or a moose And my brother and I both knew it was, it was like probably one of those things.

And I said, I think it's bigfoot. And the friends we were with were not having that stuff. There's just some people that just don't, unless it's in a zoo, it doesn't exist. I know about time or any of that stuff. And he's like, I don't believe you. I don't want to hear it. Blobody blah. I was like, okay, whatever.

So we dropped it. But the trail led out from where that creek was diagonally. towards the Anderson Lake, which is a lake we live next to. There's like three lakes there. Anderson Lake, Dry Lake. And then they removed the name of it. I'm thinking because of like real estate reasons, but it was called Mud Lake. And then there was like a creek network connecting all the lakes.

And in there it was like rainbow trout and landlock salmon and stuff like that. of plenty of food, you know, moves coming through there. It's like a very like, like in terms of like stuff to do, stuff to eat, it's got everything. It's bountiful. But we saw that the tracks went from our little hill coming out of the, out of the bush diagonally across the street and towards the other side of the lake. and I thought it was odd.

Why would somebody be just walking through there? He's like, they had snow shoes on. Let's just drop it. And, you know, stuff was like, you just sort of go with it, but like, you know what it is, right? And these guys have said, hey, our neighbors having a barbecue. You want to come and join us because we were going to go over there after we were sledding. I was like, okay, it's almost time. You want to take a shortcut.

So we took a shortcut through the woods. And we get through the woods across one lake, up a trail, across the other lake, to the backside of this guy's little barbecue he had. So there's already like 30 people there. They're all gathered around this big bonfire in the backyard. They're cooking hot dogs and hamburgers and all this stuff. It's middle of winter. Alaskans got a party when they got a party, I guess. but so we show up and they're like oh my gosh and like the owner of the house is like man you

kids are brave for coming out of there she knew what I saw and then I'm like what did you see and then like some of the neighbors like no no no no you want to give them nightmares and I don't want to tell them and then he started talking about how like the howls he heard at night and I go I was like what kind of howls was like I was like I was like I was like I I've seen things. You know what? I don't want to talk about it anymore. Let's not talk about this.

And you're getting kind of frustrated because I kept probing him. And we just sort of sat there, eating hot dogs by this bonfire with this guy kind of just stewing in his memories. And like the mood sort of went from like laughter to a little like this weird awkward silence. But he just eaten quietly. And he said like, boys, I want you to promise me you'll never go back. into those woods again. I was like, okay. And of course those kids are we went right back into the woods like all the time. That following summer, um, my brother and I were like it was a hot day and like we had just got done visiting family and like we were sort of over and we wanted to go and run around in the woods and

mess around. And so we got to We asked permission, they said we could go. And so we jump across the street and start heading down the hill to the creek that's there. And there's like a couple of logs that push across it. And it's like it's got like a nice little deep hole where I'd love to. It was my favorite fishing spot. Like I would always catch something there. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors.

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It's said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a reases. Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to heightened taste? Hmm. That says, seems to show everything happens for a recess and so I'm leading the way my brother's like maybe 10 feet behind me he's he's on the hill to hill top I'm at the bottom of the hill on the log

there's a I think this tree had fallen and uprooted a different tree and I had like lifted up the root sort of the root mass of it and so it was like blocking the creek and then when I was like, and on to the log, I saw this hairy leg step into the creek. And like, I'm like, uh-oh, is that a bear? And like my brother froze, I froze. And like, we just heard it like, darting its arms around and just like quick, like a cat, you know. And then all of a sudden, no, you just see him like lift up a rainbow trout. And like, he, and like, he, It's just like, and you're just like smacking on this fish, like, just like, gong, gong, like, just making, or just like, masticating on this fish, like, just, it sounded like, loud, smacking, crunching, like, chewing on a raw fish. And then he, like, we were sort of, like, trying to just, like, our brains are trying to wrap our heads around, like, what we're looking at.

to make sure we're looking at what we're looking at, if it's a bear or not, or if it's another one of those things we saw, you know. And it stops for a second, and it peaks over in the creek, and I catch a flash of red eyes, you know, just a little bit. And then it backs in, and then I think a fish bumped it, and it grabbed the fish, and it starts smacking on another one.

And then after it was done, it stood up because it was down on a like squatting down in this creek. And it had to been like, it was a hole in the creek. So it had been like four feet deep. It, it stood up. And its head went way over the root mass of this birch tree. And it was like, his hair was messy. It wasn't bare shapes. And it was like black skin, like jet black, black hair, like straight.

but like kind of messy and um i could make out the because it had splashed water all over its face it was picking up some of the light and the the sun was starting to set a little bit so it was a little dark in the in that depression where the creek was at but i could make out it like when it was looking at us we were looking at him and my brother was looking at me and i looked at him and he was looking for cues. It's like, are we supposed to be running, you know? But I'm like just mesmerized by this thing. Like just it puts out its hands and it moves the branch out of the way so it could get

a better look at me. There's just like a little like birch branch. It just like huge long black fingers with like hair on top of the on top of the hand. Just like just like gently like moves the branch out of the way. and I'm just getting a full glimpse of this guy's head. And it's, the, the pupils were dilated so big,

it was like about the size of like a nickel, like on each side. So it was, it couldn't have been a person. It had to be one of those things, right? And it's like, the hair is just crazy and it's looking. I'm catching the light and I'm catching like, the finer details,

look that the nose, like had really flared nostrils. and I almost thought it was a bare first second because the nostrils were so flared. But they had like a bridge, a wide bridge on the nose and the hairs on the cheek, which is like a human face. But just below like the cheekbone, the hairs came out to a point up to the nose. And they were like a lot looser, but more wiry, straight. and like with like a little bit of like you know a little bit of water dripping off of them just a little bit but like it really like the moisture really picked up on the skin and was able to really see the gontness of like the cheeks those really lean like cheeks that they didn't have any he didn't have any fat on him he was I guess he was hungry but um at that moment it was like okay even if it's not a bear we shouldn't be here

and my brother's like, we got to get out of here. I was like, I looked at run. And so we start running up the, up the hill and that thing starts running too. It runs in the opposite direction. So it's like splashing through the creek. It gets onto the grass. And then it gets super low. It's like doing a spider crawl.

And I could, and like I get up to this top of the hill. It's only maybe like 30 yards, right? So it's not very far off the road. I stopped to look and to see it. Like, I want to make sure I can see it as it was like coming out where it went. If I'm ever going in these woods again, I wanted to see where that thing was going. And I got to see it, like, how it moved through. And it was like such a long reach with the arms.

And it was just using the trees and the saplings to sort of pull itself through the underbrush. It pulled its massive body underneath, like this nasty, a spruce tree, like a dried out spruce tree. I had tried to cross that thing once or twice, and I like just get my shins all tore up. And I just stay off of that thing. That thing just busted through that, just swimming through the brush.

And then it gets to the opposite bank and up next to the road. And it climbs out and it is like massive. It's tall, hairy, like the whole thing was like, it was just like head to toe hair. and not long hair, just really frizzy, like short hair, maybe three inches, for the most part. The longest part, hair on the body was on the shoulders and on the top of the hands, a little bit up the forearm.

The backside, like his glutes, his little buns, they were, like, massive, actually. And they were, like, covered in a consistent hair. and he's just like one, two like bounds and he's up this embankment and he's looking back at us and he just gives those

aroof it just gives like a that grunt that keep away grunt and he gives like about three of them and he's like already running with his huge arms like just long arms and like what was incredible

was like I could see how his shoulders because he was like slightly slouching. His shoulders were really droopy, really droopy, but they're super broad. And how he ran was like his body sort of narrowed, and it really like slimmed down his profile

when he was running because the mechanic, I don't know, it's like his arms are swinging at an angle in front of them. And his legs were like, like criss-crossing in front of itself. And like, he was like

had to have been like like 50 about 50 yards within like um six or seven steps like it was just like he was he was like leap running

essentially he's like doosh doof and he just gives out this ferocious howl he's like and like he just cuts into the woods right where we saw those tracks previously. And so I knew that that's, that was a big foot

and that was like, right where we were playing and like, like, there, there was no mistaking it. And like the whole time I'm looking at this, my brother's like yanking on me, we gotta go. We gotta go. And I'm like, just like focused on it and like,

I snap out of it, we run inside. I, you know, I tell the family, they're like, there's a debate. Like, no, they're only down south I heard and like my dad's like I've never seen anything or any of that he actually worked up in the gold mines up in the Tukita mountains and so he's been up in Hatcher Pass and all that stuff and so he's been up in and around the whole area for decades before he came to him with this little story so he didn't believe us one bit and it was just like

He just said, well, whatever it is, it ran away. It's not going to come back. And so I trusted him enough to say, okay, it did run away. So that was going to be it. Like, I wasn't going to see anything about it. So then I sort of put it in the back of my mind. And eventually, you know, you sort of forget about it a little bit. You move on with your life.

And that part was sort of left me with like, you know, you have the occasional nightmare here and there. but, you know, you always got to check, you know, like you always look over your shoulder. What year about did that happen? This was probably, I would say this was about, I would say, 1990 or 1991. Okay. Yeah. And you're about what age again? I am 43 now. I'm about to be 44.

Yeah. The, I think a little while, like a few years later, I'm, you know, I worked at the courage to still go into the woods and all that stuff. And like our friends, we all would go mess around in those woods. Even after all of that stuff, we're still bored, I guess. I would often take this trail that went between the two lakes and it went diagonally towards a wolf lake and that's an old military reservation that's sort of like is like

butted up against the Talkita Mountains and into right at the opening of Hatcher Pass and all that stuff but um what was i would often go up there take my dog or whatever and go like grouse hunting with like a little 22 i did it all the time and uh sometimes like this this time that i went i ended up uh leaving my dog behind because i just didn't want them barking i just wanted them to like get the jump on the birds and you know come home and everything and like the dog got excited a lot and you don't like guns and it was just uh it was always a hassle so i left the dog and uh as i this this trail like cuts straight through the woods for a good ways for a couple miles

and then it opens up to this clearing where i think they were like had for whatever reason like cut out a whole swaths of trees like for whatever reason they had um but like every time I passed this spot it I was like I noticed that the mountain looked really close I was like wondering if I could walk up and like actually get to that mountain and like decided you know what today is the day I'm going to do it and so you know I'm I got my, like, I'm looking around, making sure if the coast is clear for me to just go off trail, because it was so clear, and you could see so far, and it just seemed like such an easy little hike to, like, poke around and explore. So I just, I just do it.

I get to about two and a half, three miles in. I get really, I start to notice, like the mountain's getting pretty close, but it's so really far away, and maybe I ought to just, just turned back. I had gotten to a lake and I was tired and I was like it's this is good enough this is neat but I actually get back and I turn around I'm like right next to this cluster of trees

and I can it thins out at the point and there's like another cluster of trees like a little farther out and like then this like huge clearing like a huge feeling like a huge field and like I look over and I see what seems like a guy in a hood of jacket just sort of walking

like a lanky looking guy just walking through the field and I in Alaska in general like if you're out in the bush at any point like there's a possibility you might run into a trapper because like they did they did they do like work the creek systems and like they'll go up along the mountains and like the back country. We'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words from our sponsors. It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I mess up? What if I'm not ready?

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Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to heighten taste? Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a Reese's. And they'll set some lines every now and then. And so I assume that's what it was. It was just a trapper or some guy hiking around.

So this guy, he's walking, like, he's really just like swinging his arms. Like he's really tired. He looks a little slouchy. And then, but I can't quite make it out because like the moisture off of the grass and the sunlight was creating sort of like a mirage effect. And so it was distorting what I was seeing. So I couldn't quite make out the silhouette until he got really close. and I realized it wasn't a guy who was another one of the

was another Sasquatch and like it's walking right at me and I'm like it doesn't see me because I'm just just out of line of sight behind this cluster of trees I'm looking and it's like if I try to go that way he's going to see me

and he might try to follow me home and I didn't want that either and so I just sort of hung back a way to and I just had to really think and I looked around make sure nobody else, one of the others were on me or something or if I wasn't getting surrounded in any way and it looked like it was just

just a lone one just walking through and I didn't want to like be too aggressive or anything like that. I just realized like I just have to be really calm and cool. It's like you know you run into it like

a bear you go bear rules. You just be real calm. Have a real like stern voice and just look big and that's all they could do because all I had on me was like a little 22 rifle, it was a little Apache, I think it was a Remington Apache.

But I only have like three or four rounds left from like missing shots. And so I didn't, I had no way to defend myself really. I was really flapping in the wind. And I'm just like sort of make a decision to just

just hang back a second and just see where this thing goes and I might not have to deal with it. And I decided like what my dad taught me was like when we were attracting caribou, you can go up to the herd. And if you just like slowly squat down, it won't like see you right away and they'll think you're part of the terrain. And so I did that. And because like they're not a prey animal.

Like he, he saw me. He saw me do this move. and then he immediately stops, looks, and he just starts, like, makes the straight B line straight for me. And he's running. And, like, he's covering ground, like, crazy. Oh, like, I... Like, it looked like a football player, like, just rushing me.

And then all of a sudden, it gives, like, a bound and a bound, and then it leaps. It did, like, a long jump, essentially. but like farther than like your like a normal long jump it was like it must have been like twice as twice the distance but like it jumps it lands and immediately goes into like a spider crawl position and it is like puffing its cheeks and just breathe in and like looking around and like like what's going on like like like i it was clear that i was not supposed to be there and it was it was trying to like size me up and try to figure out what to do with me because I wasn't I wasn't moving I stood back up I'll let him see me

and it was just like he was looking at me and he looked at the trees behind me and then he's looking at me like it looks at the trees behind me I look over and I see as soon as I break eye contact with him he looks at me again and he starts with his long arms he starts to pull himself through he starts moving I was like no don't do it don't do it and he he looks again and he like slinks in there you can see him just like crashing and I can see his arms grabbing like branches as he's like pulling and like sort of like swinging through and then like just crashing through the woods and I was like all right I'm going as I'm going and I start walking I don't I don't run but I'm like walking briskly to the to the other cluster of woods

and as soon as I get to the next cluster woods I start running and so as soon as I get out the clearing of this cluster of woods he's already running up to the next cluster woods in front of me he's already ready to intercept me like he'd beat me to like the next field over and it was just I was thinking he was just still like messing around around about to come out of the bush or out of those trees behind me. He started chasing me that way, but he didn't.

He backtracked. He went all the way around and like caught up with me and he was ready. He was looking and he yanked the tree. He yanked the tree cleaned down. He just broke the branch right off. He's like rocking and he's just like trying to just keep his, I guess keep his composure, but he's like rocking and he's like getting real huffy. and I'm just like walking again.

I'm like looking at him, making eye contact. He's looking at me and then he looks over again. And I see what he's going to do. And like there's a choke point where there's a cluster trees on the left and the one he was at was on the right. And there was like this thin point where they come together is about 15 feet separation between the two. And I had to go through that.

And so I start walking as fast, briskly as fast as I can and he darts into the woods and they can hear him just like crashing through at about midway he pops his head up and it's um and then he pops it back down and I I get through past the choke point and I can hear him crashing behind me and I'm looking over my shoulder at him to see what's about to happen and like he gets within like 10 feet of me and he just stops it goes dead silent, just dead silent. And I'm like thinking I'm about to die or get ripped apart or whatever. And like he was on me. And he just stopped. And I just kept walking and walking. And there was another big cluster. And all of a sudden I hear him, they come out and he's running to the next

cluster of trees. But this one's much bigger. And I get in there and it's like a longer stretch. and there's like a little like clearing inside that cluster trees and he's right there right in the middle of it and there's like trees like snapped over and bent and like something he's been thrashing around in there and that's that was his little spot and I'm walking through essentially his living room

and he's like hanging on there and like he's like just chomping his teeth and like I can't see the his top teeth, but his bottom teeth, we're sticking out a little bit. And he's just like looking at me. And I'm trying to maintain eye contact with them and just be as assertive as possible. And it broke eye contact with me. And it looked down and it's still like puffing itself up, but it's not making like, it's like

retreating its eye contact with me. And like looking back, I'm like, I shouldn't have been doing that. I shouldn't have been like making like direct eye contact like that. But it happened to work. in that situation. But most primates, it's like a challenge. And usually that means you're behind, you know. But as I pass through, he's just sort of like rocking back and forth.

And I pass through and there's a clearing, just a field, and I can see the trail. And I get to the trail. And I'm like about to hyperventilate. And I'm like, but I have to like run. it's time to run and like I'm breathing I got my hands on my knees and I can I'm looking down and I'm seeing like scattered bone piles of like like moose that have been like killed like previous summers like there was a lot of bones and I'm just standing on top of this killed is multiple kill piles and I'm like I really have to get out of there so I ran the hardest I ever ran in my life down that trail and got through and like never mentioned it to anybody and like I don't know it's just um I think I compartmentalized the whole situation because I remember going there but I didn't but it was always like broken up memories and I never really made the connection of what what had happened

I like I think I blacked it out and I only remembered it until like um like last month when my wife was talking to me and were driving the car and there was like the background of the light and like something about the situation just like created a snowball effect where I started remembering stuff and then like all of a sudden I'm like really like piecing things together and it just like all just like hit me and like I experienced this part and like I didn't have any recollection up until just then of this part that that happened because I remembered walking through the woods and like all this stuff but like the the most intense part was like the close up when I was in that clearing where he was like making eye contact

with me he couldn't have been more than like 20 feet away and like the light was like dappled and you know you could see like his his whole like fur pattern was crazy he he had like um like a blonde patch on the front side of his around like the brim of his face is um the skin on his face was was a splatchy and like freckley kind of the the hair was like a like a rich red the the head came up to a point you know the classic Sasquatch look but like like a lot of what I've seen in like a lot of the drawings this guy didn't have it was more like lanky uh just so muscular but like the elongated muscles you know like like a like a like a like a long tube like you can see the muscles were there but it was not like big bulgy muscles

they were just strong long muscles and like his reach was crazy um that that guy I believe he was probably like about nine or ten feet tall. But the, that was, that was probably the most intense moment. I mean, of my life. But it, uh, it had left me with like, I'd always often have like these, these nightmares of like Bigfoot coming to get me. understand why until it was like i had like started piecing things together and it really is shocking like how much my brain had like compartmentalized everything about it and um yeah i i don't know it's just uh with the with a lot of this stuff it it it always kept a leveling of anxiety you know

every time you go camping, anytime you go out. There's always, like, they might be out there. They might be just right next to you, you know. And it's, it's, it's unsettling because it's, if they, if they wanted to, they, like, you couldn't, there's nothing you could do to, like, really stop them. And, uh, but like the, the personality, it's like there was a difference in personality, I would say, between the two. like the black the black skinned one the black furred one was very like very aloof very um shy but this

the red one with the blonde uh patches he also had patches on his chest but like the patchwork on uh on that one was crazy but like the personality is more um more aggressive. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I mess up?

What if I'm not ready? I see a whole highlight reel of everything I don't want to happen. Missed shots, turnovers, letting my team down. And for a second, there's doubt. But then, I realize I've done enough to be where I'm at.

The early mornings, the extra reps, the days I wanted to quit and didn't. So, I smile. Self-doubt is natural, but my smile is a reminder that I'm resilient. To put more smiles out into the world, Colgate has supported female athletes for over 50 years with the Colgate Women's Games. The Colgate Women's Games is the nation's longest running indoor track and field series for girls and women. Colgate, your smile is your strength. If data management is slowing down your business, you need the Intuit ERP. If one entity is here and one here, and one here, and one here, you need the Intuit ERP.

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Everything happens for a Reese's. Way more aggressive. Maybe I just surprised him, and that's why he was aggressive, but like it just, he was very much showing himself to me. and like it it seemed like two to like polar opposites in terms of like personality

Josh thank you for I mean that that is probably the most intense encounter I've heard I would say across the board I mean first off thank you for being vulnerable enough to share that

that that is extremely intense and no one would ever blame you for not going into the woods or camping by yourself ever. Like, that's hands down the best reason not to. I mean, I totally understand how you're camping in groups now.

And it sounds like you're working through it, which is great. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I do have to like remember that like as much as like there's like an anxiety about like, like not one. wanting to do things. I have to do things for my daughter in order for her to like really grow up and like be like like like a happy, healthy person, you know, and like and sometimes just got to invite the big one and just like sort of deal with it. And not sort of put that that terror or that fear in her, but just like a healthy respect is what was what I'm trying to.

get for her but like it's it's real hard to like just like keep it together when you're like you know it's like you're just you're exposed you know absolutely when you're going through that that whole

situation with the creature chasing you thinking back to that time period if you had to say would you say you were getting more human characteristics or a plate characteristics or was it something completely different than the two?

I would say I've seen like people exhibit those those those behaviors. But like in terms of like a connection like we were both like I would say it's more on the human side. like it's just like the intelligence level was there like the spark was there and um like the way i look at it it's like we we have all these modern conveniences we can do a lot of things because we have machines to help us do it and with them it's like none of that so you're you you can run faster you can leap farther you can move quicker you can grab things quicker um you can get you can get low and you can crawl and you can climb and you can do all the things you need to survive and get up on like whatever you're trying to get.

Um, but to do that in like a sub-arctic environment where the winters are so harsh, like no clothes on. Like it's crazy, but like if you look at the fur and all that stuff, it's just, it's just they've adapted to just being outside. But they, the, the, the, the feet and like the hands, everything, it's very human, but the proportions are like, like, much taller. If I were, I was like looking through like, um, all the hominid species and like the, like, I would say, like, if I were to guess, I would say it's somewhere between like homo habilis and homo erectus, but with like the height of like a cromagnon. So, like, You're like 10, 12 feet tall, but like still very, like the face was like the bone structure and all that stuff.

And like it did have like eight features, but it was more human than eight. It's like just a little human. It's like just our side of on the evolutionary tree. It's just but just massive, like tall, massive. massive and incredibly powerful but the but the spark of intelligence the fact that he intercepted me he knew what I was doing

and we're been caught up in this cat and mouse game of like just observing each other and trying to maintain distance and all that stuff and we're gauging each other you can't get that with like a bear or anything like that or care but they don't run or they'll run or they'll they'll charge you, but this was a totally different.

Like, he could charge me, but he didn't because he wanted to observe me. And we were both at this weird, like, standoff. And it was that, but just, just knowing that, like, there, he was consciously letting me slide. You know, like, he could have, he could have reached out and just snatched me up in a second. like it but he didn't and so I I think that that's that makes me feel better like in some ways that there's like a certain level of consciousness where like they're not just killing machines like they're intelligent thinking creatures like it feels more like a person than a than an animal is just like a superhuman like

Yeah. Wow. I mean, that, that encounter alone, I think you'd be set for, you know, the rest of your life. I mean, hopefully, I mean, I hope that's the worst thing that you've ever gone through. That was, that had to been extremely rough. Well, I mean, I went out to out here in Oregon, the, um, like after I did a little you know you do do your research you start looking at things and start piecing things together and you start to realize like how much signs you were overlooking

and then once you once you start like once the veil is like like removed and you're really looking and see what things for what they are I was out in um sun river uh just a previous weekend and I left my phone in the truck, and it was pitch black out there. There's not a lot of light out there. It's like way out in the country. It's just south of bend, kind of high desert, real dry. And I figured I was pretty sad because it seems like they like to hang out in wet places and the creeks and whatnot. But it just something about it, like that pitch black, what I did was I just gave a little like

whistle just to see if anything would react and I could hear it like something or something started moving right towards me at an angle from like 100 yards out like in the woods stopping right before the road and then like three or four steps was like about 30 feet like just something huge was like got to me and then it was like starting to circle around me and I said I'm not about to be like go fumbling for my phone and with a pitch black behind me with a monster in the darkness I was like all right I'll get my phone tomorrow and I shut the blinds because closed every single curtain in that cabin and like just like said nobody's going outside I'm like bye something out there and like you know you don't you can't you can't you can't

really just like break down and explain all this stuff to somebody that's just never experienced it right and so but like after that like during that whole week um you know like at one point we're coming home from dinner and my daughter and my wife are like adding and talking about whatever and like in the distance i can i can hear something over by the river just going like just given like a like a gentle like a hoot sound and it wasn't like a bird it was like a primate right and but it was like a couple miles down the road but like you could hear it and like I'm it's like you don't I don't want to like just sort of spoil the fun to say hey daddy here's some noises in the in the distance like everybody's having a good time I'm not about to spoil the party but like I went and checked out the I like to frequent the the Bigfoot sightings like blotter map

I have one on my it's an arcgis.com oh yeah it's um bigfoot sightings and density of the U.S. with biomes let's let's see tell you what I'll send you the link but um I checked the

down here in Oregon, I checked the cabin and like I'm not maybe like about a mile, mile and a half, two miles away. There was two like reported sightings just just south of the cabin. So it wasn't just like something in my head. I was just hearing things like stepping around and maybe it's just me being paranoid because I saw so much. But it was like close enough. and in like there was like two sightings and they both are in line and like with the cabin so like I was clearly in the path of whatever it would be coming through and like so it confirmed to me like it had to be that like if I'm hearing the hoots and I can hear it step and it's got massive you know how you can like with cadence you can like you don't have to see it, but you can hear it and you can

tell that it's big. And sort of like, I'm able to, like, not seeing it, I'm tracking it through the darkness, right? But it, like, it confirmed to me, like, yeah, that, that, I was right. They're out there. It's okay. And, like, you know, nothing happened.

But, um, you know, it just you realize like with all the I've been watching I've been listening to your show for for a bit and it's like there's just so many sightings and they're all over the place and and I see these shows where they they they're going deep deep into the mountains and like getting reaction shots and like trying to like hunt down this thing and and I don't think they they need to go that far Like a lot of people that find them are just like in their local park. Like I'm just off the trail.

You know, or like some do. Some are way up in the mountains, but it's like it's wherever there's water and wherever there's food, they're probably there. It's, you know, it's like, so it's out of your control, right? So you can't do anything about it. But like, you know, live your life. And so I've just been sort of like trying to use that to like comfort myself, really.

I've been trying to think in my mind of how to categorize you, Josh. Because it's very interesting because it's almost like, so I would say it's like you're a hunter, but you've had your eyes opened and you're very aware of what really is out in the woods. I don't know. Would you agree with that? You have to be, you kind of have to be a hunter. So I was like sort of like, so like, like, you can't just like go out and looking for, for Bigfoot because you're overlooking the signs.

Like you got to know how to track. It's like, judge the wind. You got to know where you're standing, like what's around you. And just that alone, like, you should be able to like, if you hear something outside of the tent you should be able to identify what it sounds like what it is and where it's at and um if you should be asleep or if you should be like pulling the safety off and like wait for the big show you know um but um it's yeah i would say that that that's definitely like a good way to categorize it um the the whole the whole thing is just like

I when I look because I grew up caribou hunting we'd be glassing up on hills out in the tundra and like if I'm out hunting with other people from say from the Lord 48 I'm I'm looking at deer that are like five miles away up on a hill hill top and I'm able to see them move around and it's like there's a deer and then like what are you talking about and they have to pull out the glasses and see it and then it's like yeah he's right cow um and like when you're hunting for moose, they like to hide in thick cuts of like spruce, like black spruce. And like they blend in really well. And so you have to like, when you're driving down the road,

you have to look for tracks along the road, but you also have to look into, into the woods. And you're sort of like studying as you, as you cruise by, you got to look for anything that looks out of place. And like you're studying as you go.

And then, like, after a while, like, you, you do it instinctively. You don't, like, when I was a kid, it was real hard. It was really taxing on the brain to do all that stuff. But after a while, it becomes second nature. And then you're just seeing things. And now I'm at this point, yeah, where, like, because I've been raised to hunt, I'm able to notice more. And a lot of things are overlooked that are, like, just right under your nose. Like you probably had 10 encounters and you didn't even know it, you know.

But, um, yeah. It's fascinating to think about it. I don't think you're too far off. I mean, yeah, it's how many things are happening when we're out in the woods. We're just not looking at the signs the right way. Totally agree. Oh, one, one trick I've learned that really helps is if you go camping, just like if, if don't start a fire just put your back against a tree and just sit there and just

at night and just let let everything sort of happen and you're just quietly sitting there letting nature walk by all the little creatures coming through like is it a field mouse or is it a dump truck you know uh your brain switches on and you you notice a whole lot more after you do that and uh let's say the next time you do go camping just do that just like sit in the darkness and like let your night vision sort of take over and just sort of listen to the sounds and um don't talk just listen listen and see smell and uh your brain switches on you and like after that you can smell more you can see more you're just more aware um i think if you if you're in a city a lot there's so much stimulation going on your brain just

goes numb to everything. And so you got to stop and shut down and just like sort of be present in what's happening right now. That's, that's fascinating to think about. I think I will be definitely taking, taking that advice.

Josh, this has been a very interesting chat. And thank you for being, you know, again, vulnerable enough to share what's happened to you over the years. is incredible encounters man

yeah it's like it's still you know I'm still like piecing more together but like you know at some point you just have to like move on and just like let it happen you know

um like these things happened and it's okay and if a lot of people they're they're skeptics they're always going to be skeptics they're just those people you just like

don't even spend your wheels like don't worry don't waste your time on them if they're if they're here they're listening they've seen it there's enough people uh eventually the skeptics will will change their tune once some some satisfying evidence is presented but like there's just too too much going on for people not to like say okay there's something going on you know um absolutely if anything does i mean if you're fortunate to have additional things happen to in the future, please by all means reach out. I would love to chat with you again, but it's been a really fun and enlightening time talking to tonight, Josh. Oh yeah. I'm just glad you, you know, gave me the opportunity

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