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Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Originally released: 2/23/24Harold Benny is a very interesting individual. He's an Illinois based zoologist that also researches Bigfoot.What happened to him and his fellow researchers in Honobia, Oklahoma after the Siege at Honobia events of 2000 is an extremely interesting tale.What also is interesting is the event that happened to him in Mena, Arkansas. It's one he can't explain and that I most definitely can't explain either.Enjoy this interview. There's a lot to unpack from it.Resources:The Locals by Thom Powell: https://amzn.to/3SJ2KSO (Amazon affiliate link)The Siege of Honobia events documented on the BFRO: https://www.bfro.net/avevid/ouachita/siege-at-honobia.aspHarold's interview in Illinois Country Living Magazine: https://icl.coop/brushes-with-bigfoot/Harold Benny's contact info:[e-mail]217-851-1511https://www.facebook.com/harold.benny.71If you've had similar encounters or experiences, please reach out to [e-mail]. Your story could be the next one we feature!🔴 Subscribe to our Youtube channel and leave a comment here: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Want to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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and sometimes even more episodes head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with the show All right Bigfoot Society we've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Harold Benny today he's a zoologist from Illinois It's got a very interesting story

Harold I'm going to let you go ahead and take the reins my friend Okay about the summer that I turned 60 And I've looked at it. This would have been 2007. And this was when I actually, I call it the first Bigfoot that I ever saw, although I had a couple of strange things that I don't talk about because they are so strange that would happen before. But this is down in Oklahoma.

You probably heard of Honobia. The locals call it Honobi. and some of you probably have read a book by Tom Powell called The Locals, and in the locals, he spends quite a bit of time, and he talks about this little town and some stuff that has happened down there. And I was down there looking around and seeing all the things in the book and everything. But the last night that we were down there, we were down there with some friends, me and two others had gone,

and a whole, let's see, south of town more or less, and spend some time sitting in the bushes and whatever. And we decided to go north of town and get into the hills. They call them mountains. And we went up a mountain road about 10 o'clock at night, maybe 10.30, we started up the mountain road. And we had an old pickup truck, and I rode in the back of the pickup truck. And the other two just rode in front. And we went up this road. It seemed like forever.

but when we stopped and figured it out, it was about six miles, maybe seven, and we parked the car or the truck, and then walked up a ways. And we crossed a bridge or went across a creek, then up a little hill, and I've got bad legs, so I'm never in a hurry. And I don't mind walking in the dark by myself anyway. I was going pretty slow, and I left the other two just going up ahead. I got up to the top of the hill, and I had a military-grade thermal. And back then, these thermals didn't do anything except let you see. Now the thermals will record, and they're a lot less expensive, but they're not near as nice as accurate. Anyway, I had this thermal, and I'd been up in this location before, and as I was walking the road, the temporary road, I would stop here and there,

and pan through the woods with its thermal. And I hadn't gone too far up this hill to the top of it when I happened to see a head in the bushes moving up and down. And I just froze, didn't move, didn't have the thermal on this object. And I just stayed there and watched it for quite a while. He would just, this head would deck down, and then it would appear again above the bushes, a couple feet away. And they were awful big, it was over 17, I know, at least.

The thing was, it was only about maybe 40 feet away from me. It was not far at all. And I got a little nervous, a little bit upset with this great big thing that was right there on the side of the road almost next to me. And I had to stop, take a couple breaths, and I thought, okay, I just had my birthday. I made it to 60. I've always wanted to see something like this.

My whole life, and it started spending more time out in the woods. And I said, heck, I'm going to watch this. I watched it as long as I could. And then the other two I was with, they came back down the road at me and yelled, and I looked up. And when I looked up, this big animal that I've been watching, and it disappeared.

It took the chance, the opportunity to get back down the bushes somewhere. So the other two came down and was asking me and I told them what I saw and I don't one of them I don't think bleed me. But one of them, another one that had the thermal, had athermal. She looked into the woods where I'd been looking at and she saw the animal also. So I had verification right there, so I know it wasn't just my imagination. And she watched it for a little bit and it was leaning against the tree. It wasn't hiding anymore. And finally it got away where she couldn't see it either.

So I watched it on probably not a full minute, but in 40 seconds, 45, something like that. Actually, and I felt that was quite a while. But it just stayed within a pretty small area, just going back and forth and looking up and down trying to look watching me. and everybody asked me what it looked like through this thermal it was just completely bright white and there was no detail really that I could see

except this was big and white we radioed and we got a couple of other people up there and actually we sat in the ditches for a while and just hung around up there and it was interesting we knew a couple of guys that were

backed up in the woods there and they weren't too far way they were camping. I think they were from Kentucky or Tennessee. And we gave them a call on the phone or on the radio because we were on a county road. This county road, though, the hunters cut it over and they put gates up. This is back in the hills. So there was nobody stopped doing this. And the hunters were told us, they were going to close the gates to keep us out the rest of the night. We called these other guys and we told them they better pack up. We're real quick because the gates were going to get locked up. An interesting thing, they packed up, they started up their old truck,

and when they did, they got howls from behind their campground. And we could hear them. We weren't that far away. We could hear the howls or the brints and the wood knocks. It's almost like they were communicating and say, hey, we don't know where the one side of guys is, but these guys here are moving. They're doing something. There was a lot of movement and there was a lot of sound up there.

Now, let's see. So that would have been, time that all happened, it would have been really close to right around midnight. Time I had the sidings and we had the other people up there. But nobody else saw anything. We had some smells, but they weren't that strong. And I wouldn't really want to say that the smells were associated with anything else that was right there either.

Let me see. We went back down. of the truck and we got out of the area before we got locked in. But actually for that sighting, that was, that's the main part and that's about what happened. Just this last fall in October, there was a ride up of that siding. That's almost 17 years ago. And I did a spoke at the Murphy's Borough Bigfoot Festival this year. And I was interviewed and one of the guys that interviewed me, he wrote to

this story that I've just told you, he wrote it up. And it was in the Illinois Country Living Magazine that is put out by electric co-op. And that's where I thought that you got the story. But now it's not many, it might not be the best story I've got, but I saw it. There's no doubts about it. It felt like I could almost touch it from where I was standing. and it was probably it was probably about as close

as I'd really want to get to one that I've been in it closer I'd been in its lap but I can see how some people get to get the jitters and they get to feeling funny and they don't know what to think but I consider myself to be really lucky one of the lucky few

to actually see this animal and see it alive and see it moving and it was like it was in dark so people were going to say it was dark you didn't really see it that way well, I saw it pretty doggone good. But actually, that about takes up next afternoon. I had to leave back and drive back here to town.

And I was excited all the way back. I still get excited when I talk about it. But let me see. I think that's probably about all what I've got to say about that right now. Harold, do you mind if I jump in and ask you a few questions about that specific memory you have? Yeah. Go ahead. Perfect.

just because it's very rare to be able to talk to someone from that time period in that location. For the listeners that might not be aware of it, can you explain what you remember of what you heard about the events of the sea jet honubi that happened around 20 years ago in Oklahoma? It seemed to be a pretty hot spot. And I think there's been a lot of stuff that's been closed down. You don't have the, people don't have the freedom to go in and out. I don't think I could even get up that road anymore. Of course, you go anywhere, and the locals have seen these animals or heard these stories, and they take it as just an everyday thing.

But there was quite a bit of activity. They have dumpsters brought in, so they had a portable dump, and these animals would get out there, and they'd get in the dump. I guess that was pretty common. and they would get into the cattle feeders. They have great big cattle feeders where the tops would pull off and they put the feed in them.

They would pull off the tops and get in and get the feed out of them. And it was just real common for everybody. Now, right there in the middle of town there used to be a little store and there was a couple cabins from rent. There was a house from in and there was a campground.

And I think they still have their every fall I think they still have a festival down there and a couple of my friends do a bunch of the work with it but I have not been back down there myself for quite a while now there was just an awful lot of activity it seemed like all the times I had not just that that's area where I was but all around the town there was something going on all the time

and there were I don't know three or four sightings around the week that I was down there. I had been out. Actually, I was in Arkansas the week before, and then I was in Honobie B for about 10 days. And then all my free time was up. I was still working then, and I had to get back. What I shared down, if I had had any brains at all, and had a little bit more time, or I should have made the time, I should have gone back up to where we were and entered the woods and really checked it out real well. But I think I got so excited and most everybody I think would get awfully excited that you just lose your common sense.

But since then when something's happened, I searched for footprints and hair and whatever and see if there's anything else around there. But I felt pretty lucky that I had another person there to cite the same. name animal, so I didn't. And that brings up something else. Siding with that animal by just about anybody is so unbelievable

that it probably took me three or four months before I really believed that I'd seen it. And I kept telling myself, finally, I know I saw it, it was right there. It wasn't my imagination. And I actually saw this animal.

But I've had a couple or other times, a couple of other sightings where one of them it took me 15 years to finally admit in my own mind that I saw it. And another one I really haven't yet that I saw it. I don't trust my own mind, I don't think. I'm not sure in my own mind is if my mind's making up something. I don't know my mind crying too hard. Some people will try so hard and everything they see

or everything they hear is a big foot. And they don't stop. consider what's actually going on or what could be causing what they're seeing or what they're looking at. And the first thing that pops in their mind is Bigfoot. And there's a lot of animals in the woods. And some of them are pretty fantastic the things they can do. And you have to stop and consider everything else. And if you can't figure anything that could be causing what you're seeing, then maybe it might be a big foot. And that's the way I try to look at it.

I don't know if I answered your question or not. I went around and around there. I think that was all right. You definitely need to have a discerning mind is what I'm picking up. But going back to Ho Nubby a little bit, so you said you went to that area because of some events that happened. And it was talked about in Tom Powell's book, when you went to that area to check things out for yourself, it sounded like, did you talk to anyone in the area about the events that had

happened? Not especially the events from that book. Now, when he went past, there was one cabin where there was an awful lot of problems, and it was set real close to the main road that came into there from the west, and they had big foot in and around and stealing deer out of the freezer. And I think one of the things that they had done, they had, for some reason, planted peas around there in the garden or in the yard. And the deer came in and liked the peas, the deer were eating the peas. And then they were actually shooting at the deer.

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He said, and it was up this tree back by this other cabin that was to the south of where we were. And so we hopped through it over there, and it was hard because there was a lot of rough ground in this one area. We got over there, and what we found out is that he was sitting back in there, and he was looking up a power pole into a transformer. and he was picking up all the heat off the transformer and he thought we had a big foot up a pole. So that's just one of the things that can happen. I'm mistaken and everybody jumped to it and figured they had something up there. But they didn't.

They were just a transformer. That's just a great example about you have people that are probably extremely amped up about those events you were talking about. That is the siege at Honubby that people have probably heard about before. That's what you were referring to you with. the Bigfoot trying to get the deer out of the refrigerators that were on the cabin porch, I believe, is how the story goes. But do you remember? I think there were some investigators that were sent to check it out. And do you remember what happened to the Bigfoot at the end?

I don't know if the whole story exists in any one location. I guess I could say. Yeah, I have it to be in. And this compound book, it would be as much as anything pretty much. It would be in there. But you know what? I haven't reviewed it or looked at it. I really don't know how it ended up, how it is much later,

but I think that they did drive them off. I think I heard, I don't know, was rumor or not, that a truck driver had seen one of the bigfoot that had been shot, trying to make it back up the woods, and straight south from there was a small hill. And again, they call it a mountain, but I really don't know. that I'll finally happen there after that. I should have tried to look it up and reviewed that.

It's just been a long time since I've read that. And like I said, it's been 17 years since this all happened to me. Harold, who were the individuals that you were with? Do you remember the individuals you were with when you were out in the woods and you saw that head bobbing up and down? Yeah, and I don't really use name one. One girl that saw it also, she's passed away with cancer. Okay, sure. a girl from, she was a girl from Indiana.

Real smart gal. And then there's a guy from Texas and he still works in the area. And he supposedly had a lot of sightings there and I won't use his name either because I don't want to draw any heat down on them. I don't use names too often. I don't even like to. People say, okay. I respect that.

But, and that really one reason is I, that I get as much information. And as I get, even right here in Illinois, because the people that I've been going to work with before, they know I'm not going to, that I might want to tell a story, but I'm not going to say who they were or exactly where they were because we don't need people running through their fields. And people bothering them. So I kind of lay away from that. And that maybe takes away from some of some people believe in some of the stories. But that's too bad. I wouldn't have the stories at all if I didn't do it that way, I don't think.

And I agree. I think that's the right way to do it. You need to be respectful of people's privacy. And I've had plenty of stories where the person it gets out. They had a Bigfoot on their property. And then it's reporters and reporters is back in the 70s. But yeah, you have to be careful sometimes what info you get out. But thank you for talking about the CJet, Honubi,

and what you experienced after that time for a bit there, Harold. Do you mind if we take a little of a step back, and we were talking before the show that you've been into Bigfoot for an extremely long time, and do you mind if we take it all the way back to the beginning and share what you remember from the very early days and then go from there? I was born in 47, so I've been around a long time.

I hope to be around a while yet. But before I was 10, maybe by the time I was 8, I can remember that my dad used to bring home newspaper clippings, magazine flippings, things like that, that would talk about somebody somewhere saw this caveman or somebody somewhere saw this ape or whatever. They didn't even have a name for it yet. And of course, there's been stories going back to, I think, the 1700s. but he would bring stuff like that home and he was a pretty smart guy

he worked as he didn't have a degree but he worked as a chemist and he would just always tell me this is true we don't know anything about this this is real or what it is but keep an open mind because if you don't keep an open mind you're never going to learn anything

and so I was brought up that way to keep an open mind and so he went out I remember throughout my younger child that he would bring stuff home like that. And then I finally forgot about it when I got a bit older and got through high school and got through college. And oh, I'm not sure how old I was. And I finally realized that, hey, there's, with the Internet and everything, there's a lot of people gathering a lot of information. And I figured I would just start looking and seeing what was out there.

and I found hundreds and hundreds of books. And so I got back into it. Then there went when I was a little bit older. And like a lot of people, I ended up getting divorced. And then I went paralyzed. And I recovered from that. And I started taking some trips and talking to some people and built up a heck of a library.

And this is the thing. If you want to learn anything, or research anything, whatever. You need to read everything that's out there and find out what's been done and where it's been done before you start monkeying around yourself because there's no need to repeat everything that's been done. And I learned fly a bit,

and then I got hooked up for a few years with a BFRO. I was an investigator for a few years of them. And then I started leading some of my own small groups and things in Illinois here. and things just build up from there. Let me say. But anyway, I've had my mind on whether or not this animal exists for a long time. And my dad passed away in 99, and that sighting was about 2007.

The sighting I told you about. And I'd just give anything if he was still around. And I can go over and tell him about the things I've seen, and the things that I know I've seen. and just to let him know that there are things out there. But I think he'd really enjoy, he'd really enjoy finding out. And I found that over the years I've had quite a few friends, and I was able to separate out my good friends.

I'd tell them some of these stories to say, I saw it myself, and my good friends would say, if you saw it, I believe it. And I taught school for about five, six years, too. And now that was before I started doing too much of this stuff. But I've had X students that tell me the same thing, get in touch with me. And they said, I always wondered about that animal,

and you actually saw it? And I said, yeah, I actually saw it. And I know it's there. And they said, and I tell them, I said, if you want to go out of me sometime, I could take you if you want to go. And they say, no, if you say it's here, I don't really want to go. And a lot of people are interested, but they don't want to go out at night and sit in the field by themselves,

and I didn't understand that. If I answered that question or not either. I would say you did. We talked earlier that you are, you consider you went to school for being a zoologist. I'm very curious, your viewpoint as a zoologist, how does a zoologist look at the creature called Bigfoot? I'd say most of them just think it's a bunch of milarchy. and I've talked to some just recently from around the country that they're in the BFRO, and there's a lot of people that just don't know.

And if I hadn't seen it, I'm going to say more than once, I couldn't leave it myself. But there's something out there that doesn't make any sense. There's a lot of things mostly that don't make any sense about how this animal has, and reproduced, and there seems to be an awful lot of them in certain areas. And just biologically, things just don't make sense. But we're dealing with something here. We don't know, we don't know what it is, really. We don't know where it came from.

I know there's a lot of theories. We don't know exactly what it is. And there's no experts on this animal. I know there's some people that think they are but you can't be an expert on an animal that's not even hasn't been proven to exist it's just everybody's got ideas and they pass the ideas around and it's just hard to come up with anything

so I any in the shard have to say that most of this wild just aren't going to believe in it and I think even eventually they come up with a good body no matter where they find it or where they put it, they're still not going to believe it. It's going to be one of those things. Like everything is today, you can't believe anything you hear or see, but I just tell myself, I saw it. I know I saw it. I have to believe it. But I love to you before I pass away, I love to figure out how it does exist and those are things that it does. I just don't know.

Just don't know. It's a heck of a good mystery. I would wager to say it's one of the One of the best, and I hope before the end of my time, that there's some sort of definite answer that's finally able to be, maybe there's a type specimen that's able to be taken or, I don't know, whatever it would take. Yeah. Well, just what do you think it would take for this to finally be proven would it take DNA a type specimen? It's like you said, it's going to take a type specimen. There's been all this DNA work that different people talk about. But the DNA works not worth too much because we use different samples that came from this area and that area and this animal or not animal. It's all hearsay.

It's all hearsay where the samples came from. You're going to have to have a type specimen. You're going to take the samples off the type specimen and run them and find out what it actually is. it's one of the things that really drives me crazy just because they've run DNA test if you don't know where the samples came from you haven't got anything and I know a lot of people

that's been upset a lot of people too but that's just how it is we've got to use science and they need to use science and scientific methods to get this thing figured out but if it even can be figured out I don't know

like I said I've been looking into it a long time now and about the best we can do is hope to see it now and then but until we hang on, until we have a type of specimen or the type of animal to actually run test on, it's just not going to, nothing's going to count, I guess, the way to put it. Sure. So you know where it's coming from.

It doesn't mean anything. Harold, remind me, were you actively, your relation to Bigfoot research, what was it in the 1970s? Was it existent at all? Not a lot. In the 1970s, you're always mentioned the Bigfoot Festival down in Southern Illinois. That happened 51 years ago today. And I guess it got a lot of, it got a lot of advertisement, publication around the world and stuff. But I was working as a canvas two miles from where I'm said today. And all through all that, I didn't even hear about it. I didn't even hear about it. I didn't even. know about it. Okay. But about through the 70s and whatever, actually, I was

still teaching doing doing some things, trying to raise a family. And I had my head in a lot of other places. But I was just picking up some things here and there. And there's time in a guy's life that he's got to be raising the family

and worrying about that. And I guess I had where I had my head. Makes sense. Totally get it. So we talked earlier about you've spent a lot of time researching Bigfoot in Illinois, which is where you're based out of. And I've been able to talk to a few people from Illinois. I've talked to there's definitely some things going on northeast of Peoria in the northern part of the state. There's the Shawnee area down in the south part of the state. And you've got

a little Egypt and all that good stuff down there. But what has your research been like in the state over the years. Okay. When I go, I spend as much time in the Shawnee as I can. And basically in Illinois, if you're not in the Shawnee, you're someplace where you probably haven't got permission to be. That's a big thing. If you get out of park ground, the public ground in Illinois,

you just haven't got permission to be there. So I spend a lot of time in the Murphy Bowl area on that side of the state and the south, about as far as you can. can drive down through, down to Jonesboro and even further. And then I go over to Harrisburg and south from Harrisburg. And I've got a little private park down there that I use. It's Williams Hill Pass. I use that a lot.

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And sometimes an awful lot of stuff happens down there. But a lot of stuff happens at Murphy'sboro. I cannot sometimes decide when I have a few days where I want to go because both those areas are good. And the thing is, there's a lot of ground down there that you can get on. Now, I brought 10, 15, 20 BFRO investigators right up here to. Montgomery County to Hillsboro and try to do some things up here too. But I can't keep them off the private ground. I'll have ground that I've had permission to use.

But I don't know, maybe they're just not used to keep people being protected by their ground. You've got to treat these farmers nice. They've got to want you. Maybe sometimes you've got to shoot a few coyotes to get permission to get on there and do anything. except if they think they've got something, they'll call you and ask you to come down and look. But the big thing is who owns the ground and do I have permission to get on it? And like I said, I'm in Hillsborough and I have a lot of sightings. They've got an awful eye with which is funny.

And all that go back maybe 35 years all around this town from where I'm sitting right now, Now I could go six, seven miles north or south and be in areas where there's been three or four sightings. I could go east and west and not quite as many sightings. The thing about Hillbro here is I think that makes it so good. We've got the Shoal Creek that's called, and it's a three-branch creek. And Hillsborough sets at the top of the branches between the east branch and the middle fork, the middle branch. and then Litchfield is

eight miles to the west and there's another branch but it's shorter and it joins into the middle branch after just maybe 10 miles the thing with me we've got again

being all privately on ground and but we've got water and lots of food and these three creek branches I think it's really it's just ideal for something. like this. And I guess I'm lucky I was raised and brought up here and I still got a few living

relatives and I know a lot of people and I can get on this ground. And people help me and people cooperate with me and the people that don't even know me, know of me. And when something happens, I get telephone calls. And I don't use any computer communication of any sort or whatever, really anymore and I just don't get involved with that I just use regular old telephones and

where to be business cards and I'm really surprised at the number of people that do get a hold of me and a lot of people well there's two things a lot of people want to know if they've got something

going on in their property they think man there's something strange out here and they call me and I go out And I try to look and decide what I think from what I can see if they have got something that strange on their property. And then there's people that don't really want you on their property, but they've been scared

of something that's something's not right in the woods. So I try to help them. And it's, plus maybe the biggest thing, if they've seen something or had something going on, they're afraid to say it to tell anybody. I've had guys that wouldn't even tell their wives that they've seen something. But if they call me, at the time they call me,

they know that like we already said, I'm not going to be giving up their name or where they live or their property or what they've seen so they can be identified. And between those two things, I think that makes a lot of difference. But down southern Illinois,

you've got an awful lot of ground, but it's in the Shawnee. It's spotty, and you have to be careful. But that's the thing. I respect everybody's ground, everybody's property. And if I'm with people, I expect them. And I do warn people. I just don't cross those fences and bother anything,

take care of this place just like it. You want it. And if they do that, we're fine. But I have to have some people get in trouble because they just don't think they have to worry about getting on anybody else's property. but anyway that's a big difference between north and south available property

over the years did you ever do any research up in Iowa just curious I've been to Iowa a couple times I had a friend that I can't even think where he is now but I haven't been there for years and I've gone up there to a couple of park areas I'd have to get out the map and see and into some old notes to see where

I even was now, but I have cast one or two prints in Iowa. Really? In one of the parks, I remember that, but one of the guys that I used to go up with, he's kind of, everything's a big foot. Sure. And I don't, I think the other way. There may be something there, but it's probably not a big foot.

There's a lot of animals in the woods of all sizes and shaped. And of course, I've heard and faked and a hike and ski and about any other outdoors for you can. do. So I'll be 77 in a couple of months. I spent my life doing all that kind of stuff. Coyote hunting and just about everything. So I've been in the woods a lot and seen a lot. And a lot of people in some of the bigfoot organizations say if you're a hunter or you look like a hunter in the woods, you're not going to see anything because you're going to scare it all off. and I tell them if you're a hunter or a real outdoorsman,

you know what's in the outdoors and you don't jump at every single thing and say it's a big foot. And that is a difference. And you know what you're looking at, what's around. But it's the things that you don't know that you can't figure out that really spook you. Like that thing I watch,

you party feet away from me in the middle of life. That kind of spooked me. If you ever get the chance to look through your notes and you happen to find where you cast those tracks at in the wherever it was in Iowa, I'd be curious to know I'm from just outside of Central Iowa myself to the west. So trying to find all the historical info about what's happened in the state. I think I was more northern. It's marked on it. It's at least marked on a map or something somewhere, and I used to a lot of times keep a notebook for almost every trip I took,

like a three-leash book. And when I was making those trips, I was sick. I went through a period where I had bad pancreas infections, and I had three types of cancer. Oh, wow. And so I've been really lucky. And the knock on what I need to go in for another cancer, test here real soon and I hate to do it.

Sure. Because I don't want to find anymore. But yeah, that was, I remember the last time I went into Iowa, I was sick. But I'm pretty sure I know I was north of Cedar Rapids. Yeah, that's a really squatchy area up there. Yeah. When you get up in there, I was north of there. And maybe I was a little bit west of there.

Yeah. But yeah, if I run across it, I'll do that. Now, I have got one of these days I need to get with you. I've got another story that I don't talk about. It happened before this one I was talking about tonight. It's more or less gets you into paranormal Bigfoot. Sure. Which, being a scientist, I've always tried to stay away from that.

But what I've learned is over all these years, is that you really can't stay away from it. I don't pay that much attention to a lot of the really strange things. But when I was with BFRO, see, BFRO has a special file. If somebody mentions on their Bigfoot story, you get into a paranormal type thing or says, well, they got out of a spaceship or something weird, we've got a file, but we just put them in.

So there should be all safe. but it's full of really weird stuff. I gave you a name one day we were talking. Carter Breschard, did you ever get a hold of him? He's on the list of people. I know he's got multiple books that are supposed to be very good reads, but he is on the list for me to talk to, yeah. And he's writing another one right now,

and he started BFRO. I was already with him for a while, but he started with him and he was one of the guys that would come up here to Illinois and do some things and we haven't been together for a little bit but he's had so much I don't know what I've called paranormal I'll just call it for so much stuff

that's where he started spending time instead of just throwing him out he started going more and more into this stuff and that's where all the books have pretty much come from I guess the book that he's finishing up right now it's basically about habituations, but the others, and actually the others,

he wrote three books, but he wrote, but one of them that he wrote, he went back into it and added a bunch of stuff, so there's a new volume under the same book. But, yeah,

he lives all by Kansas City, and you get a hold of, get a hold of him, where he got his name, and he does a lot of, he does a lot of podcasts, and he's, like he said he writes some good books and stuff

so now I got off of whatever I was talking about where was I? It feels like a few times during the interviews so far it feels like there's something that you've experienced that you want to share but you're very I don't know if I want to share it but it feels like you want to share something. That other story that I just mentioned

that happened down in Mena, Arkansas and it was like 10 days before that one I talked about. But I don't know how long it would really take for me to tell that story. I've only really told it once, and it's at least, it'd be 17 years ago, too. You have only told it once, and I put it, you say, you found this story on Facebook. It's on Facebook also, and I told it even a couple of my friends, said, I'm having trouble. of leaving that story. I said that's why I never told

to anybody over all these years because strange, I don't know if you want to do it another time or I, it's up to you, but I do have the time now and it might be one of the things where we're both on the same call now and if you've got a few minutes, but it's up

to you, I want to respect your time, of course. Yeah, I don't know what time is. It's 9.30 is it? Okay. About 9.30. I need to, you to, you know, usually run the 10, don't you? Give or take, but I would love to

be able to have you share your story if you're cool with that. Yeah, let's try it. Like I said, even with some of my friends that they just have trouble with it, but we're getting into the paranormal stuff here. Yeah, no judgment here, Harold, so you feel comfortable with telling it.

Yeah, yeah, another like a couple of bigfoot guys making fun of frying saucers or anything. Nothing worse and big for a guy making fun of each other. This was, I think it was south of Mina. And, of course, I was just a hop, skipping a jump from where I was in Oklahoma. I started out at Mina, me and some other people, and the strangest doggone deal, didn't really have any plan or whatever, but one of the guys were in Walmart. And most of us were just sitting in the parking lot, and one of the guys went in,

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And we went down by her place, back in the woods. and this was the darkest place I think I ever saw or whatever was at and maybe it wasn't that dark it was close to it this place was dark so we went down the road

past her place and we pulled off and tucked the van tuck it back in a little bit and then me and the older guy we got out and she says I don't really feel good about getting out here

I think I'll lock the doors of the van here and I'll stay in the van and wait for you guys and so that's what we did me and him we walked back down the road the direction we'd come from somewhere between that a quarter and a half

we weren't too far down but we walked down and we were in this gal that invited us down we were in her driveway and man it was dark and we weren't there too long and this horrendous scream

come from the mountains just off the road to our bellwitted street it would have been to our south and it wasn't too far away but it was so loud and so scary I still never heard anything like it in the woods or whatever

this was an awful scream we both we backed up maybe 20 feet into her driveway to get away because it just seemed boy something was going to pop out of the woods and it was going to be awful so we stood there as long as we could

and I'm looking down the road back towards the van and I can't, I'm far enough away I can't see the van and it's dark. I see this great big white thing across the ditch

come out of the woods on the mountain side and he gets in the road and he starts walking forges us. Like I said, we're a little bit back off of it though and I tell this

this other friend mine that's his name was War I don't even know I don't think he's alive anymore I said hey that's going to all run into us. It's coming straight at us. And he says, what? I said, it's big and white and it looks like a big foot to me. And he says, I don't see nothing. He said, you're imagining. And I said,

it's coming right at us. And this was scary. From my point of view, I'm watching this. And what do we do? So we backed up a little bit more. And before it got to us, I'm shattering the way about this thing coming at us. Gordon got to us, it turned, jumped back across the ditch, and started walking up the mountains. And I said, oh man, and he still didn't see it. He finally convinced me that I was half crazy

and that there was nothing there. But back then, I still had pretty good eyesight and pretty good hearing. And he was blinds of bad and deaf too. So I don't know. Anyway, we've stayed down. I was down there quite a while, and we finally walked back to the van. And here's where it really gets crazy.

I was excited about seeing this thing, and I tell the gal has been sitting in this van, start to tell her about what I saw. And she jumps in, she says, I got to tell you, she's like, I tell you what I saw. She says, I'm sitting here in the van in the back seat, and all of a sudden, this white, bigfoot materialized or appeared setting in the front seat it was sitting there and I said look out the window

and there's a little bitty one and it's white also and it's running around outside of the van and here's where you think about the whole thing it really gets funny I hadn't told her my story about I saw a white one down there I saw a big whitewood too anyway we started making fun of her

pretty big foot guys making fun of each other and she got upset. It really got upset, and we quit. And I forgot about it. This guy was good, and she's straight. She wasn't drinking, she wasn't on drugs, but she saw this thing materialized right in front, where it sat there for a while,

kind of looked at her, and then it just disappeared. And I wasn't making fun of her, it wasn't real heavy about it. She's a real nice gal, and I like her. And we were actually sitting there making fun of each other and what we saw. And then it was a couple other guys around,

and they heard about what I saw this and that the other night. And I denied it. I didn't, I didn't, the rest of time I was wrong to anybody. I said, no, I didn't see nothing. I just, Walt says I'm just seeing something else. And these guys I was telling them this too, they said, you say you saw something. And Walt said you didn't.

We'll believe you for a bleak war. Well, because we think he could have, like I said, I was still a little bit younger, still could see and still could hear. Anyway, I left it at that. And I just more or less denied it. It was probably a couple months before I was sitting down one day, and I just happened to think. I saw the white when coming down a road. She saw a white woman materialized in the van. I wonder what's going on here.

And like I said, I thought about it. It was 16, 17 years I thought about it. And it's one of those 25 stories that I put on Facebook. And it's just one I just forget about it because Walt told me I didn't see anything. And I don't know. I don't know. The fact that what she saw was white and what I was seeing was white. Now, I did not see a small one, a baby or whatever, a toddler or whatever you want to call it.

But I don't know. Jeremiah, that's got to be one of the weirdest Bigfoot stories you ever heard. It's up there, Harold, and it's awesome. So the way I look at it is I have my personally, but we haven't proven what it can do or what exactly it is yet. And at the day, your friend saw a white Bigfoot materialize inside that vehicle. And that's wild. And I don't know how you can explain that away, right? No, and she's not, like I said, she's not crazy at all or anything.

And I haven't seen her for quite a while. As far as I know, I think she's still alive. I see she does put some stuff on Facebook now and then. I see why I don't talk about it. Sure. You know, too much. It's, but I know that's an example of three bigfoot people making fun each other, which is funny in itself, that's true.

Is this something where you're, and I know you said it's south of Mina, Arkansas, Just because it's interesting when listeners hear something and then maybe someone else has experienced something to do with the white Bigfoot materializing in that same area. Are there any other things you can say about the mountain or do we have to keep it very vague as to it somewhere south? Well, that's one of those things I would have to do some research on it too. I hear you. To find exactly. She's not too far off one of the main. the highway down there and I think you south of Mina pretty sure that but I talked to her she had a son

to a teenage son and I talked to him about what was going on with her with the big foot that she said stayed in the school bus and he said yeah they do and he says I guess they'd also been feeding them and they would come along and they'd hit the house and hard enough that would knock stuff off the walls and things wanting food and well so she's had a problem around there but most of the people I'm with where associated with the BFR, BFRO, and she hated BFRO. And that's just a strange deal that we, that she ended up inviting us over there to take a look. I guess that's, when you get people that will listen to you and believe you at,

it does make a lot of difference. That's one of the neatest things we do is as investigators, do everything we can to believe people. Now, those are the two best stories I've got. and like I said that last one I just haven't told the heck the loss. Maybe I can figure out where that is. I could come real close. I'm not sure what they call those mountains.

If those are the, I was thinking of white mountains, but I don't know. But yeah, that story there, I said, took me 15 years to even think about telling it all. It didn't lose me any friends or whatever, but they maybe shut their belief in me a little bit. But anyway, that's a kind of junk that my friend Carter is into those first three books, some things. And he comes over here. There's some spots down around Jonesboro and the Trail of Tears Park that we've hit a few times. And there's one spot down there south of the Trailatiers Park area. And the locals down there say they won't go into it after dark.

And we haven't been into it too much when we've been in it. There's something strange happening there. But again, you don't know. I didn't used to be afraid going into the woods or by myself, and that's usually how I do. I go by myself. And in the dark, I didn't used to be, but I've seen some things over the last few years,

and I really, some place I really don't want to, you know, don't feel good about going into. Like I said, basically by myself. I don't know that David Palladis, his books 411, make you think once in a while. And I imagine you've probably read them, right? Oh, yeah. You definitely want to be cautious and aware,

especially if you're going in the woods by yourself and let people know where you're going and all that good stuff that you know. But it sounds like you saw some weird stuff and that made you think twice about going into the woods at sometimes. Yeah, and I've had that even around here. Some spots that I've been to an awful lot.

One of them just a few miles from here, I went down one night and I couldn't make myself get out of the car. I couldn't get out at all. And I sat in the car there probably 20 minutes and finally left. And it spooked me that was just all in my mind or was there's something telling me not to get out. And I've been down to the same spot. And the one time I remember, got out of my car and did a wood knock and got a wood knock. I'm on an old road that ends or that dead ends, that a bridge has been torn up.

and I got out of my car, did some wood knock, and got answers right there almost in top of me. And I waited a while and did some more knocks, and I got more answers, maybe two or three times further away. And I said, wow, and I'm down here by myself. So I don't know. Like I said, I didn't used to be afraid at all. My dad was, he was, of course, a World War II veteran, and I didn't dare tell him if I got scared in the woods or at dark walking home. or whatever because he let me know he was nothing in that woods that can hurt you and he was wrong i know he was wrong yeah but yeah he's something else what else you got for me

harold it's been a fantastic conversation and i just want to i just want to thank you for coming on sharing your stories i know some of them you haven't really shared before and i appreciate you being able to share them. I hope that someday you're able to get your book written. I'd love to get a copy of it, and I'm sure my listeners would as well, but it's just been a great time chatting with you, Harold. That's good. That's good.

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On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad? The answer? The ingredients. But fear not true crime enthusiasts. This story has a happy ending.

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