Bigfoot Society - The Untold Story of Rory Zoerb, 1990s Bigfoot Adventurer!

Episode Date: March 3, 2025

Join host Jeremiah Byron from Bigfoot Society as he interviews Rory Zoerb, a seasoned adventurer with a passion for Bigfoot research. Rory shares his incredible journey, starting from his deep dive into Bigfoot literature in the early '90s, leading to multiple expeditions in Northern California's Bluff Creek area. Explore Rory's firsthand accounts of encounters with bears and mountain lions, mysterious tree breaks, and an eerie nest along Bigfoot Creek. Learn about his hair sample analysis and how he collaborated with notable figures like Matt Moneymaker and Peter Byrne. Rory also recounts his brush with potential Bigfoot activity in the Southern Olympic Peninsula and the intriguing story of caves on Onion Mountain. This episode is a treasure trove for enthusiasts eager to delve into Bigfoot lore and field research insights. Per Rory, this is the FIRST TIME he has ever agreed to an interview so you won't want to miss this!Contact Rory here:[e-mail]: @Ronin68882Write up on Rory Zoerb from bigfootencounters.com - http://www.bigfootencounters.com/stories/rzoerb.htmRory's 1993 BFRO report - https://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=2954Sasquatch Summerfest this year, is July 11th through the 12th, 2025. It's going to be fantastic. Listeners, if you're going to go, you can get a two day ticket for the cost of one. If you use the code "BFS" like Bigfoot society and it'll get you some off your cost.Priscilla was a nice enough to provide that for my listeners. So there you go. I look forward to seeing you there. So make sure you head over to www. sasquatchsummerfest. com and pick up your tickets today.If you've had similar encounters or experiences, please reach out to [e-mail]. Your story could be the next one we feature!🔴 Subscribe to our Youtube channel and leave a comment here: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Want to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with the show Bigfoot Society I've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Rory Zorb

today Rory's an individual that reached out to me that has quite an interesting background and Rory, welcome to the show.

How's it going? Hey, good. Thanks, Jeremiah. Thanks for having me. So you provided me with, Rory, you've been in this for a long time. You've got stuff on your list that is some really intense stuff. And take us back to the beginning, Rory, when you first started getting it. involved. Okay. Yeah, it's a fascinating subject and it's been a journey. It started in about

92 when I started thinking about it seriously. I heard about it, you know, like everybody else, pretty much throughout my life. And in 92, I dove into, I think about five books. And I can't remember the names of them, but I'm sure most people have read them and all about Bigfoot. And after reading the five books, I was convinced that these beings exist and in fairly large numbers. So I had an opportunity. I had the time to put together an adventure. You know, I was prior military. So putting on a backpack and hiking for long distances was pretty fairly normal to me. So I put together a backpack.

It ended up being about 100 pounds. It was a military large alistak. And, you know, I had 100 feet of military repelling rope on it. tent, bed roll, a 30-day food supply, which was about 30 pounds. So it was about one pound of food per day, including, you know, energy bar,

protein bar and oatmeal and, you know, quick dinners. I could just boil up that kind of stuff. But it was a pretty heavy pack. And I didn't want to drive. I wanted to go into this expedition quietly and just walked through the woods in the area that I thought that the Sasquatches would likely be. And I actually originally planned on a 90-mile route, which, you know, over 30 days, it's not bad at all. it's a scroll

so instead of taking a car I took the Amtrak up the coast and then into Reading and it was interesting when I got on the Amtrak they had stewardesses back then

this was in 93 and my backpack got a lot of interest a lot of interest from the stewardess stewardesses and they

asked me what I was doing and I told them I'm going to look for Bigfoot and they all thought that was quite funny so anyway I took the Amtrak up to Redding and then I caught a bus

it doesn't it doesn't run anymore but it was kind of a famous little bus line that went from Redding over to Eureka I think it was or oh somewhere over on the coast. But anyway, it went

through Willow Creek. So I took that, got off at Willow Creek, stayed at the Bigfoot Motel for one night, and, you know, checked out the Bigfoot cage in the back and all that.

And I didn't really talk to many people in town at that point, not that I can remember, because this is like, you know, 30-some years ago now. but so the next morning after staying at the Bigfoot Motel, I just headed out with my backpack. And I'm pretty sure I went northeast out of town.

I don't remember exactly. All I do remember is the first part of the journey was steady uphill for quite a while. and so around dusk I was pretty smoked from carrying that pack uphill all day and there was like a pull-out area on the side of the road and so I dropped my backpack pulled out the 30-pound bag of food I remember I had some fruit some dried fruit stuff I was really looking forward that. So I pulled out a few things I was going to eat and I hear this sound coming through the

trees and it's starting to get a little dusk and I'm kind of straining to see across the road on the uphill side and I'm straining to see what is making this noise and is getting closer and it's big and then a bear comes out of the the edge of the woods and is standing on the other side of the road and I got my food is like strewn out at my feet and I like look down the right looked up to the left turned around behind me there's like nowhere I'm going to go and besides I don't want to let them have my food so I started talking in about five different voices, high, low, deep, whatever, yell, and just get the bear to go away. And I remember him cocking his head kind of like a dog does.

And he just kind of casually turned and walked away. So I was like, wow, this is going to be an interesting hike. So I got something to eat and repacked everything and continued up until it was dark. And I found a place to set up my tent. And I was really smoked by this point, I mean, carrying that. It was all uphill. And so I set up my tent. and I thought, well, you know, I should hang my food, but I was too tired.

It was too dark. So I dragged my backpack about 35, 40 feet from my tent and just let it left it sitting on the ground. So I go back to my tent. And, you know, I just found this really interesting. Hopefully your listeners will find this interesting too. If you want to go backpacking in the wilderness, especially up in the Six Rivers National Forest, it's full of bear and mountain line.

So anyway, I set my backpack down, and I'm in my tent. I'm getting ready to crash out, and I'm actually horizontal at this point. And then I hear my backpack being, drug. And I'm like, oh, no. I mean, I can't lose my food on the first day into this journey.

So my defense, I didn't bring any firearm. I brought a hammock that I cut the ends off so I could use it like a throw net and a k bar a knife and a little thing of pepper. spray I wore on my forearm. So with those three things, I was pretty confident and I could deal with anything that, you know, came at me or whatever. So I go out to get my backpack and I just yell,

hey, as my backpack is being drug into the bushes. And I couldn't see what was dragging it. It was really dark. And as soon as I yell, I hear this. So it was a mountain lion dragging my backpack off. And so I continued over to my backpack. I could hear from where he scowled at me.

He was away from my backpack. He retreated into the bushes and trees. And so I don't remember what I did with my backpack after that, but that was it for the night. But that was pretty much. enough for one day. So anyway, I continued on

in the journey and you know, while I'm talking about bear, I had over 100 bear sightings and encounters. Some of them very close. There's so many bear up there. I saw seven bear in one hour at one point

and I had a total of five mountain lion encounters. A couple of them really close. So anyway, I continued on my journey. And I meet this guy that lived in the, he was like off-grid. I didn't see his cabin. I think he was in his pickup, and he stopped when he saw me hiking on the road. And we had a conversation.

and, you know, I'm told him I'm looking for, at this point, I'm just talking to everybody about Bigfoot. I mean, I'm talking to the locals. And I said, you know, you ever hear anything, see anything? He said, yeah, he said, I used to have one that came through my property about the same time every year for a few years. And, you know, I'm like, whoa. and so he starts telling me about at one point

you know they would they kind of had a bond that started to grow and he said at one point he said he tossed a ball that he had in his yard to it and it tossed it back and this guy just sounded you know as matter of fact

like he's just absolutely telling me the truth what happened but I thought that was pretty astonishing and talking to him further he said you know I'm in that kind of the right general area but the area I really wanted to go to was west of where I am you know right now and you described the location and what he was talking about was Bluff Creek So I changed plans.

I was like, wow, you know, I'm planning on going 90 miles into an area that, you know, may or may not. But Bluff Creek sounds like it has a lot better chance. So, and at some point I don't remember when it was. I probably did a total of five, six expeditions up into this area. Northern California. And it was either on this one or another one. I don't remember, but somebody had told me to check out the fish hatchery. There's been sightings around the fish hatchery for years.

And so I think it was on my route then I was hiking. So I spent some time looking around the fish hatchery for any sort of. sign. And I did find a barefoot, human barefoot, but it was extraordinarily wide, and it was only, it was short. It was definitely a juvenile, but it was weirdly wide. And I measured the width of it with the handle of my K-bar, and it was the width of my K-bar handle. And I don't remember how long the track was, I think it was eight, nine, ten inches, something like that.

It just wasn't big, but it was just wide. So, who knows? I don't know. But anyway, so I made my way over to Bluff Creek. I went back into town and then headed up. to Bluff Creek. And I got to Bluff Creek campground

when, you know, after exploring the map, that looked like my best entrance. I used to have those rows memorized. I think it was 13 end or something that, and now they call it the Bluff Creek Trail. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture East us with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Culture Research with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

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And I sent you a picture of the Bluff Creek Company. As I remember it back then, I think I just Googled and found that old picture of it. But in the picture, you see the porch on the Bluff Creek Company. building. And that porch is where he and I stood and talked leaning over the railing. And

so, you know, I asked him, I said, so you're here, you know, what do you hear about Bigfoot? He said, oh my gosh. He said, it was crazy back in the day. And he started telling me about how the media

you know, flocked in there at some point. You know, I don't remember. I think the attraction was there was a woman who claimed that she had been abducted and she came out of the woods and she was all scratched up and the National Inquirer was there. He said it was a circus and it unfolded pretty much right in front of his business there, the Bluff Creek Campground and that was very interesting

and I said what about you ever see or hear anything he said well you know they used to come through the mountains behind me here every year about the same time and I think he said February and he'd hear him

for about two weeks screaming back and forth to each other as they migrated through the mountains and then they would just disappear and he wouldn't hear him anymore and I was like wow I said can you describe you know what the screen sounded like

and without even missing a beat he let out his rendition of a big foot scream and I'm sure my jaw fell open but I was like, wow.

And he said, but, you know, they stopped about 10 years back. He said he hadn't heard him in the last 10 years or so. And, but he said, you know, you come to the right place. He said, this Bluff Creek area, there's been sightings, you know, going back a long time. So, oh, and he had his general store then. and I asked him about it he said you know

I asked him could you know show me the inside and he said sure and we went over and he opened unlocked the door

and when I walked in it was like he had just locked the door one day and never opened it again it was fully stopped

with so much memorabilia mugged, shot glasses just everything the whole thing but it was all covered in dust and cobwebs it looked like been sitting a long time and

he was pretty unhappy you know when I talked about him with what had happened he had a couple of gas pumps out in front of that Bluff Creek Company store

and the regulators came in and imposed some regulations on his gas pumps, which meant he would have to spend thousands of dollars to reline the tanks and all that stuff. And he just, he couldn't do it. And he was really upset about it. He had to shut it down. And I've kind of wondered, you know, over the years, if they didn't do that on purpose to make him work. less of an attraction

for, you know, because they really don't want people going in there, I don't believe, and exploring the whole Bigfoot thing. And I'll go into that a little bit more down the road. But anyway, he was pretty disgruntled about that. But anyway, so it was great talking to him, nice guy. And I think he had a brother then, too. I'm pretty sure he since passed away. But anyway, the next morning I headed up what they now call the Bluff Creek Trail.

And it went west and followed basically along the left side of Bluff Creek up higher. So I'm hiking up and I'm hiking up. have an idea of where I want to go. And this is one of the interesting mountain lion encounters. Another, this is all uphill for quite a ways. Anybody who's taking that Bluff Creek Trail knows there's a lot of uphill in the beginning. But there was a big tree on the right-hand side of the road, and it had a couple of branches still grown.

I was all debarked and old, but it had like a perfect notch to set my backpack down and for me to sit down in and relax for a minute. So I'm sitting, and I had my 35-millimeter camera on the outside of my backpack in a big case, protective case, and in case I needed to get to it quick. So I set my backpack down and I'm sitting there relaxing and it's just quiet and beautiful day and I hear this something coming through the brush on the other side of the logging road and it's coming towards me. And so I stand up.

I'm getting ready. I did carry a steel bar and later is too heavy I later exchanged it for a walking stick a sharpened walking stick but anyway I stood there ready for whatever was coming through the trees because it was like it was making a beeline

right towards me and I see this buck pop out of the woods on the high side of the road on the left side, big, beautiful, racked buck. And it looks down at me. It's like, you know, almost standing above me. And it kind of made a snort and then bolted to the right down the road to my left. And so I said, oh, okay, well, that's what was making the noise.

No big deal. And so I sit back down and then I hear. noise from the same area again. And so I stand back up and out pops a mountain lion. The buck was running from a mountain lion. So the mountain lion jumps down the bank. It now has me in its sights. And it comes down the bank and it gets to the middle of the logging road.

And I think it was probably about 40 feet away. and we're just facing each other and he wasn't moving he didn't know what he was going to do I didn't know what he was going to do but anyway I thought wow I've got a little time I reached back without turning away from him

I reached back and grab my camera out of its case and I pulled it up and snapped a picture of him standing there you know looking at me me. And I have no idea where that picture went, you know, 35 millimeter in a shoe box somewhere. But anyway, he, after a couple of minutes, just looking at each other, neither of us was going to, you know, make any move towards each other or back away,

until he finally decided to go stage left and he just walked off the road and down into the woods. but I just thought that was an interesting encounter but the next one that happened later is more interesting but anyway so I'll keep going I kept hiking a Bluff Creek trail and there was a fork in the road and I thought well I'm going to take this down

this looks like a great area to go down to Bluff Creek and there's an open area at the bottom of this switchback, I forget it's about half a mile maybe, maybe a mile with all the switchbacks down to Bluff Creek. And so I take that down and I think I set up camp on the way down because it was a really big open area. And it's in one of the pictures that I sent you.

It looked like it was an old logging camp. that they had cleared out. And it was a really good place to set up a camp. Good place for a campfire. Trees were like, you know, nowhere around. It was a big open area. And so I'm pretty sure I set up my tent and just got ready. That was where I was going to camp for the night.

But then I headed down or I went down the next. morning. I think I went down that afternoon. But anyway, I go down to Bluff Creek and I'm looking around and just looking for any kind of sign, tracks, you know, always looking for tracks. And at this point, I had seen tracks that were very interesting. One of them looked like it was in around a bowl. But, you know, in the forest floor, you know, you rarely get a place that will hold a good track. It's the, you know, all the junk that falls on the forest floor. But you can see some big impressions, especially in moss. Moss can hold a really good, nice outlined track. So anyway, I'm looking around Bluff Creek. And I start.

seeing these trees, these spruce, and I think they were spruce, made of some pines, but the tops were broken off, and the top was lying down next to the tree. I mean, like, I saw like three or four in a row, and I'm like, that is so strange. So, and the tops of the trees were still green. They had not been off of the, that. that tree for very long. They hadn't had a chance to dry out. And so I examined the trees and I looked for, it was, you know, it's a bear, maybe,

chewing the tops of the trees off, but there were no teeth marks. And there were twists. These things were twisted. And it's like, no, that's a hand that did that. And I was like, you know, I don't think people are doing this. But it definitely looks like a hand with a strong grip, especially a tree that's, you know, one inch in diameter at the top. You know, you try and grab a one inch diameter tree and twist it and break it off

and drop it down next to the tree. You're going to have some pretty powerful hands. And somewhere thicker than that. And I sent you a picture of one tree break. that was about two inches in diameter. Absolutely, I cannot figure out how anything other than an extremely large, powerful hand could bend it and break it. And when I got this sample break, it was a green, healthy tree. The power it took to do that, it's astonishing.

But anyway, so I'm finding these breaks. And then I did find impressions, large impressions. Now, you know, bear and squashes, you know, they occupy the same territory. So, you know, I'm sure there's times where you can look at and go, that could be a squash. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. This is Matt Rogers from Los Coltristas with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture Research with Matt Rodgers and Bowen Yang.

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in this area of Bluff Creek, I never saw a bear. And I had seen, like I said, I stopped counting bear at 100, literally. I was seeing so many bears. I saw them all over the place, but I never saw any in this area of Bluff Creek, which I didn't think about too much at the time, but later thought it was kind of odd. So I'm finding the impression in these twisted trees, and some of them were bigger twists and higher, you know, higher off the ground. And I would look on the tree to see, did something climb up this tree to get to the top? Because a bear can't reach that high with his mouth.

and there was no damage to the limbs going up the tree, absolutely completely pristine, as though something reached across and grabbed the top, twisted it, broke it off, and dropped it right next to the tree. That's the signature break that I was finding. So I'm like, wow, this is really interesting. And so anyway, I head back to my camp, back up the switchback, and I get to my camp, and I think I made dinner, and then I started exploring around my camp.

And there was a trail that went north out of my camp, and I walked down that trail, and I found two more trees right next to each other with the same signature twist of. off with the tops lying right next to them. And I examined these closely, and there was sap in one of them, and the sap had trapped hair. So I cut this section of the twist off and put it in a baggie with the sap, a little piece of a tree, and the hair. And so to fast forward, you know, when I got back,

you know, I told my father about my little adventure and he's, you know, he's like, oh, come on, Rory, Bigfoot hunting, are you serious? And I said, Dad, I got hair samples. I think there's, I like to have him checked out. And he said, well, you know what?

He said, my dad was a sheriff at the time. He said, you know, I got a buddy who's a retired FBI forensic hair specialist. He said, why don't you send me the samples? And I'll have him check him out. And I'm sure he wanted to come back and tell me, you know, Rory, you're wasting your time. Those were whatever. And like three weeks later, he called me up with a really surprised tone in his voice. He said, he doesn't know what they all.

are. He said he doesn't have a match in any of the hair samples he's collected over his entire career. And he asked where I got them. So he was interested in where I got the hair samples. So my dad was like now he had an interest in what I was doing. So anyway, so I camped out that night and finding the twist. off in close proximity to where my camp was, this is when I thought to myself, I think I'm right in Bigfoot's backyard. And that was my goal was to put myself in Bigfoot's backyard. And from what I had read in the books, they're very curious about campfires.

I'm sure for a couple of reasons, you know, any animal that sees a fire in the woods, they need to know whether they need to leave or if it's not a beautiful. big deal. So my plan was to set up a big campfire and attract a Sasquatch to me. Because there's

no way I'm going to chase one down or track one or follow one or any of that kind of nonsense. And like I said, this was an old logging camp and there was cut off stumps and stuff all over the place. It was like left and been sitting there for many years.

I mean, you picked up a log. It felt like a giant roll of paper. And the story that I wrote, I said I collected about two cords of wood. Well, now I live in Colorado and I know what two cords of wood is now. But back then, it wasn't two cords of wood, but it was. a lot of wood because it was laying all over the place. So I spent the evening collecting this huge pile of wood and set it lengthwise along the side of my campfire.

So my plan was. And like I said, I'm in a big open area. So I felt comfortable in making a large fire. And I did. And I got that thing, you know, going pretty good. And to the point where it would illuminate, you know, high up on the trees that were around this open area. And so I'm keeping the fire going. And, you know, like I said in my story that I wrote.

And it was on Matt Moneymaker's BFRO website when he's when he loved. launched that back in 1995. I think he called it a mission to Bluff Creek. And that story on the home page of his website, I think got an awful

lot of attention in word spread because I got some phone calls and things about it. But anyway, so in that story, I put, you know, I was sharpening my walking

stick, which I noticed was now much larger than the one I started with. And so I was sharpening that and keeping the fire going, you know, constantly looking up and down, you know, being ex-military, you think in terms of likely avenue of approach, you know, if something's going to come towards you, there's going to be likely avenues that they'll take to get to you. So I'm looking up and down the likely avenues of approach, which is basically north and south. And it was getting after midnight and I'm thinking, you know, I don't know, if I don't, something doesn't happen pretty soon. I'm just going to get a good night's sleep and head back down to the creek in the morning.

and I think it was about 1 o'clock in the morning, still sharpening the stick, looking left, looking right. And I looked up to my left and looked square into a pair of nocturnal eyes. and the funny thing about this, there was no, you know, second or two to think like, what's that? It was instantaneous. I knew that one was standing and I paced it off the next morning.

I think it was 65, 70 feet from me. And the intent, intelligent curiosity that it stared at me with is like no other animal that I've ever experienced out there. And the eyes were well off the ground because I knew my campsite pretty well at that night. I'd been sitting around it for hours. And I knew these eyes are off the ground. and it looked to be standing behind about a nine-foot tree that I knew was right there

because I passed it coming into my camp. And so we stared at each other. It stayed directly focused on me, and I think it had to have been about 10 minutes. It was a long time. nocturnal eyes. And they shifted from side to side, as though he was rocking back and forth from one leg to the other, and one eye would kind of disappear for a second like he was,

is behind that bush. And then it would come back. And I watched this. And so long that my neck was crooked to the side, I didn't want to turn away from him. I didn't know what was going to happen. So, like, the first thing that happened, you know, when I saw his eyes, is I knew immediately what it was. And the hair on my back lifted my shirt.

I wore a flannel shirt, and it lifted it off of my back. And I felt that. And I remember, like, whoa. that I've never had that kind of reaction ever and it was so strong and you know

my next real thought was after feeling that happened was I hope no one has ever shot at this animal I hope he doesn't have any ill will towards human beings because he's only got to close about 70 feet there's nothing I can do and this walking stick

and this pepper spray and this throw net and this K bar knife are not going to do anything so we stared at each other and as we stared at each other longer

I started getting really comfortable and getting this feeling that this is just an intelligent curious being. And he means no harm to me.

And I think he knows I mean no harm to him. So after minutes his eyes and my eyes started getting sore. I'm staring

at him. And his eyes started getting harder to see. And I realized that I hadn't paid attention to the campfire. and that wood burned so quick I had to keep stoking it and so now I was so completely comfortable with him standing there watching me

I turned my back to him took two steps to the woodpile grabbed a big old log and brought it over and put it back on the fire and you know that old wood just lit right up and I couldn't see him anymore. He was gone. And in that time, you know, I wanted to see his body.

You know, I wanted more confirmation. As much as I knew stood there for 10 minutes and stared at me like no other animal. Now, I could see a mountain lion doing that, but, you know, that's a smaller set of eyes lower to the grass. There was nothing for a mountain line to get off the ground there. It was a, you know, kind of a sparse little nine-foot, you know, growth, whatever it was, and nothing that would support a mountain line. So, and while this staring thing went on, I raised my left hand.

You know, at first I didn't feel comfortable raising anything. but at one point I got comfortable enough to raise my left hand and I put his eyes underneath my thumb and I could see that a lone pine tree just

came above the edge at the top of my hand. So basically his eyes were a hand width below this single tall pine and I'm like, okay, I got my bearings. I know exactly where he is.

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Very excited. And I thought he came back. I thought I saw his eyes but further back up the logging road. Because he had walked in on a logging road up to my campsite. He didn't come through the brush. and so I think he went back out the same way he came and I swore I could see his eyes again but further back so I thought you know he'd come back to to see if I'm still here when I'm you know I'm up to so the next morning the sun comes up and and I wait until I got really good light and I don't want to disturb anything and go

over there and mess anything up. But I go over to the logging road, and I could see on the sides of the logging roads up there, there's this grass that grows like a foot tall. And I could see perfect, I think

they were about 18 inches long by 7 inches wide, perfect human shape, no toes, you know, just a big flattened step, step, step, step, step behind that tree that I knew he was standing behind. And I could see that it looked like he had been shuffling around there because his prints were just, you know, all on top of each other. And it basically was just like a shuffled area.

And I was like, he walked in right here. He, nice and quiet, walked right down this log. road right on the side of it, through this grass, up to this tree, and stood behind it and watch me for 10 minutes. And so I go back to my, you know, campsite. It was either before or after, I don't remember. And I put my hand up to that lone pine and looked to see where his eyes were on the bottom edge of my thumb, and it was at the top of that tree.

And it all added up to him standing there and standing behind it and shifting back and forth and that. And I was like, wow, I was pretty stoked. So I had, you know, the hair sample. And I did take pictures of the grass where the tracks were, but, you know, it's just, it doesn't come out. worth anything. It's not even worth anything. So, and I don't know what happened to those. But anyway, so I'm like, well, I could hang out here and, you know, see if I can get another encounter.

But I was actually pretty excited to get back and, you know, kind of, I don't know, I was ready to go. And not that I was really, you know, afraid of anything, but I felt like that was a pretty good experience. So I packed up everything. And I had like, I think it's about 16 miles to get back to Bluff Creek Campground. And that was going to be my goal. And a lot of it was uphill. and so I wanted to get back to Bluff Creek Campground

so I headed out and I'm walking up the logging road out of my camp the same logging road that I believe he had walked in on and I'm only about 75 feet up the logging road and all hell breaks loose.

in the brush to my left. And it is huge. Whatever it is huge. So those Alice packs have quick releases on the shoulder straps and I hit the quick releases to dump the pack and grab the pepper spray.

And, you know, before I could even get the pepper spray out, I could tell it was going away from me. and it was making an amazing amount of noise. It wasn't going around trees. It sounded like it was going through trees. I mean, the brakes were, I mean, it was, whatever it was extremely powerful, and it was very fast. And it was crashing through the woods away from me. And I tried to listen to, you know,

you know in the forest floor and it it sounded bipedal it didn't sound quadrupedal but you know everything happened really fast and um but it definitely sounded like sounded like he laid up there the whole night and he actually had a vantage to my campsite from where he would have been laying to lie there the whole night and watch me and i surprised him by heading straight out my camp the next morning and walking right towards him and he just bolted and uh and i could hear him run down the mountain side and he was covering a lot of ground really fast and then i could hear him get down to the bottom and then start going up the other side of uh this little valley this like ravine and actually it's really huge ravine more like a little valley

And I was like, whoa, you know, adrenaline rush. And so that was it. I put my backpack on and then headed back to Bluff Creek Campground. And the thing that's weird about this, and I know a lot of people, you know, talk about ESP and, you know, other things. one thing that I did get when I was looking at him is a real sense of, you know, there's no worry here. You know, looking at him, it was just an intelligent, curious, and I got a sense of loneliness. I don't know why. It's maybe in my head.

I don't know. But anyway, so I make it back to Bluff Creek. campground and I'm taking a shower and I'm pretty amped up and I'll never forget this. I'm just scrubbing my hair on my face and I was doing it so vigorously. I jam my little finger into my eye socket covered in soap and I never forget that. But anyway, the thing that I was thinking while I was in the shower is I don't want to tell anybody where this happened. I didn't want to tell anybody where he was. And I thought, that is absolutely strange.

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And so I kept it to myself for a long time. And but, you know, now I've shared it because, you know, a whole bunch of people can go in there, you know, they can take care of themselves. But anyway, so let's see, I'm going down my, My list here of things I was going to try and remember. Oh, well, so I've made a number of visits to that particular area of Bluff Creek. And it's a beautiful area.

It's really wide open in this one section. I don't know of any other sections like it. And I didn't realize that at the time, but there's a feeder creek that feeds into Bluff Creek like, there and it's called Bigfoot Creek. Two words, not one word, big foot creek. And so I thought, well, it got its name years ago, possibly for a reason. And the other thing I thought was, and I'm pretty sure. I used to get a map every year.

I went up there a forestry map. And I could swear one year they did not have Bigfoot Creek as the name of that creek, and then another year they did. But I'm not sure about that. But anyway, so any questions? Are you there? Yes. The gentleman who was looking at your hair, was that Dr. Ferenbach?

He was the second person I sent hair samples to. Okay. And he sent me a letter back, which I have no idea where it is, that he said he did not know what it was. And he talked about the inner medulla or whatever. But he did not come back and say it was a this or that, inconclusive, which I thought was very interesting. And I later seen him in TV shows talking about a hair sample that he had received around the same time that I had submitted my hair samples. And he said those are the ones he used to test all other Bigfoot hair samples against. Right.

So. Now, I don't know if it was mine. Here's what I'm thinking. Because, yeah, I've seen those two, like those old 90s docs that he's in, like the Henry Franz. Zoni one and then he's talking about the gold standard hair. And if I was to guess, it sounds like that was probably your hair. It was like is the gold standard Ferenbach hair? I think it was because the timing is right.

Right. That's wild. And yeah. And you know, I did this before, you know, Big Surin, foot hunting was at least as far as I know. Right. You know, when I said I went looking for Bigfoot, everybody was like, how ridiculous. Now you say that and everybody's like, how cool.

Yeah, it's a little different now. But anyway, back then, I think, you know, I sent it to him and he's like, whoa, you know, what's this? Guy sends me some hair thinking it might be a Bigfoot. And so anyway, he sent me the letter back. And I was, you know, really satisfied with the letter that, you know, he didn't say it was a big foot hair, but he didn't say it was any other kind of hair. Right. And he said it had some similarities to human hair, but it wasn't human hair. So, and if I remember quite correctly, it was, you know, a bit wavy and, you know, not short, not real long.

Yeah. But anyway, I also gave some hair to Peter Gatia. Oh, sure. I gave out all my stuff. I was like, you know, I'm not one to keep stuff. I don't know why. I just want to have the experience and, you know, to get proof. So I didn't keep a lot of stuff.

So I gave Peter Gatia some, and he was kind of surprised. I just gave him to him. And, um, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, Those were some in a baggie, too, I think, with some twist-off tree and sap. But, you know, back when I got back to Southern California, you know, I met with Danny Perez. Yep. And, you know, we met at a restaurant. And then I forget who it was.

It was either Danny Perez or Peter Gattia said that there's this guy who wanted to talk to me about what I. I found up there. And so we met at a restaurant and he said, his name's Carl. And he said he's former CIA. And I'm like, well, okay, you just come right out and say it. And I think at that time he was flying for the Forestry Service. But he said he was former CIA. And he was interested in what I had found.

And I, you know, told them all about it. And I started telling this story to people so many times. That's why I typed up my original story. You know, friends and family would ask me about it, and I recited the same stuff over and over. So I decided to just type it up and hand it out when somebody asked me. And that's how, you know, I think I contacted Matt, Moneymaker, and I told him I had this write-up, and he said, send it to me.

So I sent it to him. He said, oh, my gosh, can I put this on my website? Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culturias with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen-Yang from Los Colterisos with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card to end up to 5% cashbacks on your favorite bundle of brands when you join Venmo's stash. Your rewards come from bundles of brands you can keep or switch every 30 days.

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Yeah. Yeah, I forget what year it was, because I went up in 93, 94, 95, 96, Matt Moneymaker, and I went up there. I took him to that campsite and showed him the whole, you know, where it happened, where it stood, the whole nine yards. And we drove up together. Yeah, Matt and I were buddies for a while when I lived in Laguna Beach. So, yeah, on one of my trips, I came back through Oregon and stopped in at the Bigfoot

research project with Peeffe. Peter Byrne and he had a couple of other people that he was working with, a lady, and a guy. I used to know their names. But now was the database. One of them, Franzoni? No, I don't think so. Uh-uh. But the lady, she did all the office stuff and the younger guy.

Gosh, I used to know their names right off the top of my head. But anyway, I was a database developer for years, and I carried my laptop around with me, and they had some old way of managing their contacts and phone numbers and conversations and stuff. So I developed a database, a contact database, for the Bigfoot Research Project while I was there hanging out with it. And Peter and I drove around in his, I forget it. I think it was like, there's a small car. But we drove around and did stuff and talked a little bit.

And I tried to convince Peter, Peter, I know where they are. I know there's a place that has a really high likelihood of successful contact. And I couldn't get any of them. And I think he had a $500,000 grant at the time. I couldn't get him to, you know, be interested in that location. So I hung out with him for a while. I forget how long, long enough to develop a little database for him. And so, yeah, so I met Peter Byrne.

And so, you know, in 94, I went back and, okay, I'm starting to get the years mixed up. But anyway, I spent a lot of time with Al and Mark Hodgson. Two really great people. I mean, they were just, Mark let me sleep in the fire station when I was in town, when I wasn't out looking. I don't know if I should say that. But anyway, everybody was fine with it.

Yeah, everybody was fine with it. So I hung out with, you know, Al and Mark, you know, at that time, Jay Rowland used to be sitting around the outdoor eatery table. And I sat with him a couple of times and we would just talk about. And he liked talking to me, I think, because he knew I was like really going out in the woods and spending a lot of time. So he figured, you know, this guy's not just whatever. So he took the time to spend a lot of time talking to me. And a really interesting guy had a lot of old knowledge. So I forget what year it was.

It might have been 94. So I go back up there. And Al contacts. John Green. So he says, you know, hey, there's this guy down here. He says he's finding stuff. And, of course, that's John Green's. That's his neck of the woods.

I mean, I'm pretty sure it struck a cord with him. So anyway, John Green, Al got John Green and Bob Titmus to come down. And we all went to the location that I've been telling you about, that big open area down by Bluff Creek. And we went down there and I showed him the tree breaks and I showed him, you know, tracks. And, you know, it could have been bear trail. I definitely have seen some Bigfoot tracks. But what I showed him that day, you know, I'm not sure about.

But he was not impressed. So, and maybe rightly so. But anyway, Bob Titmus took a real liking to me because Bob Titmus is an old bush guy. He's really into the field stuff. And he sensed that that's what I was into. And back then I was chewing red man. And Bob Titmus was, I think he was chewing skull. And we sat on a log next to each other.

And we definitely hit it off. so we spent a little time there and and john says okay well how about we take you to the to the Patterson Gilman film site I said nah not not really interested in going up there that's that's you know ancient history I'm more interested in what's going on here right now okay and I don't think hold on I don't think so I don't think that went over well with John. This is John Green.

Yeah. And, yeah, John Green and Al's, let's go, let's go to the, you know, we'll show you where it is. And I was like, no, I'm not, I'm not really interested. I think Bob Tickness had a little smirk on his face. At what year was this again? 90s? 94, I think.

Oh, wow. Okay. So you're, you're like, I got a, so you're hanging out with dudes that were, like the ones that were seeing tracks in Bluff Creek like back in the 60s like Jay Roland

um yeah Al Hodgson um titmus like all those guys that's incredible yeah and I spoke to the granddaughter

of the um logger who found the 50 gallon drums full tossed over the side Jerry crew What's happy, Jack? You know, I think there were a couple of guys. He's the most famous.

Yeah, right. But I don't remember her name, but she's, you know, she was the granddaughter. She said, my grandfather told me about the barrels. And so, you know, this is a family member reciting what was told by their, you know, their family member. I talked to a lot of interesting people. I talked to a woman in her late 80s who had owned a couple of businesses in Willow Creek. And, you know, I went to a, I think it was a Fourth of July.

And every, you know, word in town was, this guy is hunting Bigfoot. And people would come up to me. And this lady came up to me. And she said, you know, back around the turn of the century, she said when she was a little girl, she remembered hearing stories of the trash being raided

by these things. And also that women weren't allowed to go to the river by themselves. And I mean, this is just you're talking to a very intelligent. She's still very sharp, very matter-of-factly.

telling me that, yeah, you know, it's been going on for years. And, you know, the more you talk to the locals, it's common knowledge. I also jumped right in the middle of your John Green story, which is terrible. So how did that go? No, that's good. No, that's good. Well, I never saw John Green again. Okay.

Or Bob Titmus. And, you know, around that time before I went back up there, I had called and spoke to Renee DeHendon, Grover Krantz, those were phone calls. Yeah. And I also called around to, you know, major universities across the country. And they laughed at me.

You know, Bigfoot, there's no, I'm like, you know, this is science. You know, there's a preponderance of evidence. There's a huge amount of evidence. an eyewitness testimony that these beings exist. You guys are scientists. You know, you should want to investigate. And they just all laughed it off.

But, you know, yeah, it was some interesting conversations. What kind of things did you talk to Renee DeHenden about? I think the same thing as everybody else. There's this area in Bluff Creek that I found, and this is the experience that I had, and about the tree breaks. And, you know, I don't remember, but that's just what I was talking to everybody about. Oh, wow. I was pretty much reciting the same thing over and over. Hey, I think there's, I think I know there's a place.

And so where we're talking about, when you look at the pictures I sent you, is right next to that little creek that feeds into Bluff Creek. It's called Bigfoot Creek. And I didn't discover that name until after my first expedition, which I was like, whoa. So anyway, and in later times, so I visited that place again, and that's where I had my second or my third mountain lion encounter. I was down in the flats. I brought my breakfast down by the river and started a little campfire.

And I brought a little day pack down there and made my breakfast down there. I mean, it's just beautiful. I mean, what an adventure. It's just gorgeous. And so I'm making my oatmeal and I'm stirring it and I'm facing towards Bluff Creek. And I'm kind of like in a, you know, a sumo squat. over my pot and I'm stirring the boiling oatmeal and for whatever reason I got the notion to turn around and I kind of swiveled on the balls of my feet and I turn around and I'm looking at a mountain

line that is about 20 feet away from me just emerging from the brush and we're I mean if I'd awaited you know, a couple few seconds longer. He'd have been on my back. So as I face him, I slowly started standing up, and I wore that throw net, that hammock throw net, on my left front belt. And I unsnapped, I think it was in a hand grenade holder, a military hand grenade holder.

And so I pull out the throw net. I unsnapped the K-bar. and I have the K-bar knife in my right hand and the throw net in my left hand. And the idea came to me, you know, when I visited my mom, she had cats and I would play with them by stalking them the same way that they stalk. You know, how they, their head is like locked and only their lower body moves. And they're, you know, they just, they're like coming at you and their eyes and their head just don't even. even shift, but their lower body just works underneath their head. So that's what I did.

I stood up, and then I crouched lower, and I locked eyes on the mountain line, and I just didn't move my head. I just started walking towards it with my lower body, and it looked at me, and it turned to the side, and I swear I remember. remember seeing it's Adam's apple. You know, I don't even know if mountain lions have Adams apple. But it looked like it swallowed and it turned to the left and slowly keeping its right eye on me slinked off into the brush.

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It may not work again. But anyway, it worked perfectly. He's like, no, this ain't prey. This thing's coming at me. I'm leaving. So I just thought that was a really interesting encounter. Could have gone a different way. but so anyway stuff that went on down there okay so the more time i spent down there the more i

started looking at these broken trees and then i started realizing i've seen broken trees that had been broken off the tops broken off and had regrown so this had been going on for decades I'm fully convinced now this is an area that these things have been inhabited for a long time. And it's a beautiful place to inhabit. But I had some more confirmation down the road. So I'm looking at, you know, twist-offs and tracks and all that. I did find some excrement that it totally looked like there were two 18-inch padded feet. that had straddle this pile of excrement.

And it looked like, it didn't look like bear excrement. It looked like human excrement. But it was a huge pile, just the way it comes out of the intestines and coils into a pile. But anyway, I collected some of that. I never turned it in. I carried it around. When I got back, I worked in the IT department. I carried it around the IT department.

And I got some pretty interesting reactions. I could hear people in the cubicles. There's the guy who looks for big foot, you know. It was pretty interesting in the workplace. But anyway, so I had that excrement. I never had it tested. It dried up and I don't know whatever happened to it. But anyway, I found a tree, an older spruce that had been broken off.

And I carried a tape measure with me, of course, for measuring tracks and whatever. and the break was at 14 feet. There is no way. And the top, the green top, was lying right next to the tree, just like all the others. Twist it off and discarded right at the base of the tree. So I'm like, there's no way a bear is getting up there to do anything with the top of this tree without leaving some sign through the branches climbing up. And it was a pristine tree.

There was no damage, no nothing, no bends, no broken off anything, all up the side of the tree. I examined that thing for an hour. And I was absolutely convinced that whatever took the top of that tree off, reached over and twisted it off with a strong handbin in an opposable thumb. So I'm looking around the tree, and, you know, this is hard-packed ground down there by the riverbed, you know, in this big open area alongside of Bluff Creek.

And I see a twig that was mashed into the ground, and I see that it's like where a heel was. and then I can see a pretty clear 22-inch impression. Nothing definitive, no nice edges, no toes, just absolute 22-inch heavy impression. Something pressed that twig into the ground of great weight. You know, it was like a quarter-inch twig. And it was absolutely embedded in that track.

So I thought, well, you know, a 22-inch track, that'd be about right for something that could reach across at 14 feet, snap the top of this tree off. So that was another thing I found interesting in that area. And like I said, the brakes that look like they've been going on for decades. but I think it was maybe in the 94 trip or 94 or 95 96 I don't remember now but I'm exploring the area up along the side of the Bigfoot Creek that feeds into Bluff Creek and there's a nice kind of trail that goes up alongside of Bigfoot Creek but there were branches that had been bent over and crisscrossed to where you had to duck. You couldn't just walk straight up the path.

It looked to me like something had done that on purpose. But anyway, but not far from there, in the wood line, I found a nest. And it was so obvious as I'm walking through the wood. line, I see this green patch that stands out against the, you know, the browner forest floor. And I go over to it, and it's got all these, like, spruce or whatever green breakoff branches, all laid out in about an eight-foot circle. and I looked around and there's no trees near this circle that these could just fall off and end up lying here. Something placed these here. And it absolutely, and I've seen now nests on, you know, Expedition Bigfoot.

And this was out, this was, I'm convinced it was a nest. And it was right there at Bigfoot Creek. right where all the tree breaks were, right where, you know, I'm finding all this stuff down there. And so... Do you have pictures of any of that at all? You know, I'm pretty sure I took pictures of that nest, but, you know, like I said, I got out of Bigfoot. I got in, I was in a difficult relationship in the middle of all this, and it started

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feet circle and take a picture of it. Look, I found the nest. So to me, it wasn't that big of a deal. So if it was a big deal to me, I would have hung on to it and showed it to everybody, but, you know, it just, it wasn't a big deal. I've always been about getting real evidence, you know, real proof, real encounters, you know, that's, you know, the field work. That's always been my goal not collecting photos and stuff like that now I wish I would have saved those but anyway

um so and like I said I never saw any bear down there the whole time all the time I spent down there looking around and I saw bear everywhere else I have walked up to within 10 feet

of bear accidentally when they're on the other side of a bush I come up so quietly. They didn't even know I was there. And I didn't know they were there. One time I sat down with my backpack and I'm looking and I hear something behind me and I look

through the bushes and I see this furry arm like reaches and I'm like, oh my, what the? And I got a better look and it was a bear. I forget what it was doing with its arm

but it was actually two bear and they were about 20 feet away from me. I quietly picked up my backpack and kept walking up the road. But I've walked up on bear in the middle of the night.

I mean, like, I look back now and I'm like, I had too much confidence in that throw net and K-bar knife. Absolutely. Yeah. But I have come up on Cubs too.

Oh, boy. And, and, yeah, walking down a logging road, And I hear this scraping sound like on tree bark. And I'm like, what is that? And I turn to my left and I see a cubs scurrying up a tree. I'm like, oh, I need to get out of here.

I don't know where mama is. You found some caves on Onion Mountain as well. So in 95, I bought a KLX-650. And through the back of the, through the backpack on the back. of the KLX or through my gear. I actually had pouches and stuff and headed up there, which was just really nice. All the roads I had hiked, I was now cruising at 25 miles an hour on a KLX, 650. So I started exploring, and I'm following this road up, and I've come to find out.

the Onion Mountain and Blue Creek Mountain. Blue Creek Mountain, just on the other side of that, is famous hotspot. And I've even heard talk of caves over there. And that was, there's even a, uh, videos on YouTube about Blue Creek Mountain Bigfoot. Um, so anyway,

I take my KLX and I go up and I find myself on Onion Mountain. And the road, leads me to this giant rock quarry. And I'm like a rock quarry on the top of this mountain, they absolutely destroyed the top of this

high ground and turned it into a giant rock quarry. I sent you pictures. And there was a big platform in the middle of it where they put some heavy duty equipment like probably rock crusher or whatever.

And then, you know, the rock quarry didn't, you know, mean too much to me at that point because I know they've got to, when they're building logging roads, they've got to lay down base and stuff. And what better way to put the quarry right at the top of the mountain and drive it down the mountain to, you know, to do the roads. And but I started exploring around and there's this trail that leads out of the rock quarry. and I follow it down and I come to this giant pile, odd-looking pile of giant boulders that do not look naturally formed. They look like they exploded. They were jagged-ed-edged. It totally looked like a cave entrance that had been demolished, and it had just... fallen down and, you know, covered the entrance, like it was dynamited.

And it was about 40 foot wide, I think, I've got it in that picture, 40 foot wide entrance. And so I'm like, you know, this doesn't look right. This totally looks like it was blasted. And so I'm exploring, trying to get down into the rocks, and I realize there's cold air coming out from these rocks. really cold air. And I think it was in August when I was there. And there was a patch of snow

at the entrance to this cave or where this pile of boulders were. I mean, August, and there's still a little patch of snow there because the air coming out was cold enough that it hadn't melted. So I'm like, that's totally going into the earth.

That's going in. and so I'm convinced now I think that they blasted and created that rock quarry to destroy caves at the top of Onion Mountain because they didn't you know the whole logging industry did not want people coming out there and saving the bigfoots from the logging industry

you know so they got to blast the cave shuts you know shut and lock these animals in there keep them away, do whatever. And so that's my theory, is that they created this rock quarry there, dual purpose. One, they needed the rock, and two, they sealed up those cave entrances. So this is my theory. So I ride back to Orleans to the ranger station. And I walk up to the counter of the ranger station, and there was a female ranger kind of catty-corner

back left at a desk. And, you know, hi, how you doing? I just had a, you know, a couple of questions. You ever heard anything about, you know, any caves back there in Bluff Creek? Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Reistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Culture Rees with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cashbacks on your

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from it. She didn't know why. She knew they had existed, and she knew they had been blasted shut. And I asked her, do you know whenabouts this happened? And she said, you know, maybe 10 years or so ago, which, and when as soon as she said 10 years, it rang a bell with what the Bluff Creek company owner said to me, he hadn't heard them come through his property in about 10 years. So she confirmed that there were caves up there.

Now, I've had a conversation online with a fairly well-known bookstore owner that I don't need to mention, but he swears there's no way there's caves up there. And he even brought a geologist online and said, no, that's not suitable for case. Now, I sent you an image proving the type of geology that is there. It is exactly what caves come from. I don't know. Did you get those pictures yet? Yes, I did. Yeah, I've been looking at it. But anyway, yeah, so absolutely, it looks like the explosion, lava tubes, whatever comes up from the inner earth would come out the tops and sides of these mountains and form these caves. And so I absolutely think, and I have another picture that I didn't take good notes, but I think it's the entrance of a smaller cave.

I didn't even send it to you because it really doesn't, you can't tell much from it. I'm not pretty sure that's why I took it. But I think anybody that spent, you know, a fair amount of time up there could find more. And I'm sure they don't want people going up there exploring around and, you know, making some discoveries. But I still think that whole corridor right there, because let me, okay, let me move forward because I'm taking up a lot of time. So it was late 70s or early 80s cave destruction is kind of from what I gathered. So anyway, fast forward. Matt Moneymaker and I went up there, I think, in 96 and hung out.

He, you know, we're sitting around the campfire. He said, hey, you want to do a TV show? I said, no. I said, no, I said, no, I'm not. I'm not sure if this is exactly what I said, but I know this is what is in my mind. I don't want to run around at the behest of, you know, some directors and executive producers, you know, with a camera on me while I'm, you know, running around the woods. No, I'm not really interested in doing a TV show. I want to get the evidence.

And I think this valley is where it can be gotten. and so no I turned down his TV offer Lauren Coleman contacted me and asked me if he could put my story in his book and you know I really don't didn't want this is like I said this is the first time I've even considered an interview or doing anything really in public but anyway Lauren Coleman asked if he could put it in the book

I said no I'm not really interested and he was like, oh, okay. So on a subsequent trip up there, on a KLX 650, I'm in town, and at one point I had rented out of storage area to keep my gear up there in Willow Creek. So I'm looking at a map, and I'm doing a map recon, and for some reason, Nikowitz Peak, speaks to me. And I'm like, ah, I want to go there.

That's interesting. You know, the terrain, where it is, its relationship to Bluff Creek, you know, all that. So I head up there on my KLX, and I get to the base of Nikowitz Peak, the road that climbs up. It was like a little intersection there. And I look up and I see,

I forget, like, I don't know, 30 yards up the road, I see that the trees from the sides of the road, you know, these logging rows that they put in, when they cut stuff down to make the road, the naturally growing pines and spruce start regrowing, you know, on like five to ten foot swaths on either side of the logging road. and so on the sides of the logging road going up to Nikowitz peak the trees were all green healthy fairly tight together like they had just grown on their own natural pattern and they're all about three four maybe five or five that the biggest inches in diameter at the base and I looked up the logging road I'm thinking I'm going to ride my motorcycle

right up to the top of Nikkowitz Peak but there's no way. There are trees pulled from either side cross hatched for about a hundred yards up the road. I'm like, what in the heck?

So I'm like my first thought is no one is going to spend their time pulling these trees over. First of all, you'd need a pickup truck or a big four-wheeler with a chain and hook to pull these trees over. And I mean, I just didn't see any way. And so I looked at the bark on all these trees, and there was nothing wrong with the bark. There was no damage. There was no chain marks, no teeth marks. It was those something with a big padded hand had gripped these trees and just pushed, pulled, or whatever, them over in a crosshatch pattern for about 100 yards. So I had to park my motorcycle, which I wasn't real comfortable doing

at the bottom of Nikowitz Peak and I had to jungle Jim over these trees to get up the road and I know I didn't take a picture I don't think I took a picture of that I so wish I did

that would be one of the best pictures I wish I had now but I only share this you know because you know anybody who goes out there looking you know, you can find some really astonishing things. And so the only thing I could come up with that had the power to pull these three, four-inch trees over in a pattern, one to the left, then one to the right,

then one to the left, then one to the right. It was like definitely did not want anybody coming up that road. And if you did, you were going to make a lot of noise with a chainsaw. before you could even start going up. So I parked my bike and I jungle jimmed over the trees and got to some clear logging road and then walked up to the top. Now, I don't know if it was my mind

that was, you know, playing with me because I already had the feeling that they were up here and they didn't want anybody coming up here. So that was already on my mind. But while I was up there, I was like, I really felt uncomfortable. The most uncomfortable I had ever felt. And it was a really interesting place.

The forest floor was like nice pine needles and it was open. And it was, you know, it was beautiful, different than anything I'd seen. And I thought, what a great place to live if you're living in the woods. I mean, this is where I would camp. and so anyway I didn't see anything that was up there a couple hours pretty uncomfortable the whole time

I left thank goodness my bike was fine not mess with and left but those trees still to this day amazing and I did find something like it up in Washington on a trail

at the trail entrance at the logging road there was a broken off treetop same exact pattern it was almost and it was that hanging tree part was pointing in towards the trail it was like a marker

in my opinion I think they're markers I think they're territorial you know this is me this is how big I am this is my territory whatever

I think it was odd that I never saw a bear down there by Bluff Creek, and I'd seen them everywhere else in all of my travels around there, but never down there. I think the bear stayed away from them. I just don't think that they maybe live well together, just, you know, a theory. But anyway, so, yeah, I forget where I was going with that.

So did you then go up into Oregon and Washington and do some things up there as well? Yeah, I did. So I sent you some pictures. So I got a nice paying job overseas. And I came back with after three years a nice chunk of change and bought a four-by-four van and fitted it with four computer workstations, audio, video. So I had 360-degree night vision cameras on the roof, along with a parabolic dish, and, you know, speakers and large speakers to call blast. And so I went up there and I ended up getting a wolf dog that for all intents and purposes grew up to be a wolf.

genetically and behaviorally he was indistinguishable from a wolf he passed away a couple of years ago but absolutely

amazing animal and I am 100% against people mixing wolf dogs and selling them this guy was innately wild

and I could talk to you as a whole other subject about genetic memory. This guy had the genetic memory of a wolf and he triggered uncertain things. He already knew certain animals. He knew the difference between horses and elk. I mean, I could go on and on. But anyway, he disrupted my whole last hurrah at Bigfoot hunting because I had the whole nine yards. I had this van completely, I had a 30-foot custom trailer built for

living in the back country. But anyway, yeah, so I went up there. We did do a little expedition there. I heard from the locals. There's a river that led down to the ocean that the Bigfoot used as a corridor to go from the mountains down to the ocean. And we camped out there,

and we got a whoop going around our campsite. Sounded like pretty genuine to me. But anyway, So then I went down to the Southern Olympic Peninsula. And so I built a custom cage in the back of my four-by-four for the wolf. I also had a white German Shepherd at the time. She helped raise Zorro as his name. And so I'm in the hardware store, and I'm buying a bale of straw to line the back of the cage in the back of the van with.

and the young guy that's helping me with the bail of straw. So I said, so you ever hear anything about Bigfoot's around here? So I'm at the southern end of the Olympic Peninsula. Right now is I think exactly where they're doing Expedition Bigfoot, right at that fork where it goes right and left. I've been trying to figure that out too. Yeah, I think I know exactly where they are.

And I think if I looked at a map, I could figure out by the valleys and everything when they show the map. But anyway, so I asked him, I said, you ever heard? He said, oh, yeah. I said, really? You said, yeah, I said, back in high school, we used to go out on the weekends, up by the dam and listen to him, scream to each other. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages.

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I went back up to the north end of the peninsula, got three guys together, a couple of just local guys and one ex-cop and brought them down, and the mission was the dam. So we go to the dam. and there's a nice place to camp down at the bottom. I think it was about 100 yards from the river that comes down out of the mountains.

And then there's a steep climb up to the dam. And the two local guys, me and the cops, stayed by the campfire. Zorro, I had to drive a three-foot steel stake into the ground with a chain on it to keep him at the campsite. I mean, I got him to be a companion in the wilderness, but there's no way I could responsibly let him off leave. I mean, his instincts and his drive was way too much. If you're cooking out like a couple hundred yards away cooking hamburger, he gets a whiff of it, and your little four-year-olds running around the camp, he'd take her down. So anyway, that's why I'm against animals being bred like that.

So anyway, so I got Zoro's stake to the ground, and me and the ex-law enforcement police officer are there, and I send the two other guys up the mountain with radios, and we got radios at base camp. And, I mean, I had all kinds of, I had thermal, and it was sitting on a, you know, a pivoting head. It would swivel back and forth, and we were watching the monitors for any thermal up on the hillside. You know, I had the whole setup. didn't have the bionic ear set up yet. And actually, I think I don't even have the thermal yet. I'm not to put that up later.

But anyway, being the ex-cop are standing by the fire and the two locals, I had shown them tree breaks and stuff. So they were all briefed on what to look for. And they're climbing up the mountain. You know how quiet it is in the woods in the middle of the night, so far away from civilization. We could hear those guys crashing through the brush going up the side of the mountain. Me and the cop just kind of laughed.

And so I get a radio call. He says, Rory, he says, we're finding tree breaks up here. And I was like, all right, okay. I think we're in the territory. And so at some point, shortly thereafter, we hear this scream. And the best way I could describe it is a war cry. It's not a scream. It's not a howl.

It's like a war cry. And it was powerful. And it was up the valley from us. It was a ways off. But it was so clear and powerful, the cop and I just look at each other with saucer-sized eyes. and so that first war cry ends and then we hear another war cry a little bit closer and we're looking out to the woods and then it starts and then we heard a third war cry

and it's even closer so these things are lined up down the valley one after the other in succession is telling us you guys need to leave And so the third one finishes its war cry, and then we hear a fourth one, and it's like right across the river from us. And I said to the cop, I said, I mean, we're just absolutely amazed. That would have made some of the best audio, and I didn't have the parabolic and the recorder set up yet. It was still just barely going dark. It wasn't even dark. I mean, I'm not expecting anything to happen until after dark.

And so, you know, people say that, oh, those are elk calls or whatever. I've heard elk, and this is an unmistakably different thing. And I said to the cop, I said, and he's an elk hunter all his life, Washington State, ex-cop, firearms, the whole nine yards. I said, does that sound like an elk to you? He said, no way. So anyway, the guys, they heard these screams and they were like, they were scared to death. Because now after the screams, it was getting really dark and they had to stay there the whole night. And, you know, it was dark.

I don't remember what they did for camp. I don't think they did a campfire. I think they just stayed up all night and were afraid for their life. L. Was that around Lake Cushman? You know, I don't remember the lake, and if I did a map recon right now, I'm sure I could find the, I think it was North Aberdeen. Okay. But don't quote me on that, because I haven't really paid a whole lot of attention to it.

Gotcha. You know, I haven't looked it up to narrow down exactly where it was. But there's a dam, and I think it's Aberdeen. I mean, I could look it up tomorrow. And, you know, but anyway, it was the interesting succession of war cries that it was sending a message. First one's way back. Next one's closer. Next one's closer.

And the next one's like right across the river from us. It was a definite show of force. And I'm sure they heard us, the noise and the guys clobes. lining up into the woods, you know, maybe into their territory. But anyway, it was fascinating stuff at the time. So, and then there was, okay, gosh, this is like some of the best stuff right here. Patrick Creek. Okay.

Are we good? No, we're good. This is a new place for me. I'm excited. Okay. Well, I send you a map. Patrick Creek is north of Bluff Creek. Okay.

And Patrick Creek is a little area. It's, you know, I'm sure there's probably a creek in their name that. But anyway, Matt Moneymaker gets contact from an active law enforcement officer up in those neck of the woods. and the guy, the law enforcement officer communicates to Matt, he says, I think I got two of them on my property. He had a little hippie cabin out in the wilderness that he would like go hang out at on weekends or whatever. And he said, I think I got a couple of them around my property because I hear these crazy screams back and forth. between these two whatever they are. So Matt, you know, I'm working developing software in Southern California there,

and Matt contacts me and he says, Rory, he says, I think I got a hotspot. And so he describes it to me, and I didn't even interview the guy. You know, Matt says it's good. I said, okay, give me about a week. Got stuff together, let everybody know. You know, I was a contractor so I could, you know, kind of come and go. And went up a week or two or whatever later. And so on my way by, Matt said stop by my house and pick up a CD.

and I've got, you know, his recordings, I think he made in Ohio. He said he's cleaning them up for me and putting them on a CD so that we can blast them out from the hippie cabin up there on the property. And I said, cool. So I stopped by his house and he didn't have it ready yet. So I just kept going and got up there, met up with the law enforcement officer. In the mail, he received a CD from Matt. I go into town by a CD player. He digs up some kind of giant speaker from somewhere.

We go out to his hippie cabin. We get it all set up in the living room of this hippie cabin. And it's kind of a cool big bay window, like two barn door kind of window things that opened out overlooking the valley, and this was really heavily forested, you really couldn't see anything. But it opened out, and it was just air. I mean, there was no screen, there was no glass, no, they just opened, and there it is. And it overlooked the little dirt road that, you know, ran up and by the cabin.

And so we get everything set up, and it's me and the law enforcement guy and his significant other. and I forget what time we started. I don't know, nine or ten-ish dark. And we blasted out a call, you know, Matt's hell. And it sounded pretty good. And so we waited, you know, maybe 15 minutes or so. We blasted it out again. We waited.

We got the light on in the cabin. And we're just, you know, standing around talking Bigfoot stuff. or whatever and I know maybe the third or fourth time we're standing there talking and we hear this

whistle right in front of the cabin and this is not a bird the power behind the whistle I mean you immediately know this is coming from a healthy set of lips and lungs and I've spent a ton of time in the wilderness and never heard anything like this. And so I immediately knew what

it was because, you know, Bigfoot's, they're called whistlers in some places. You see them on totem poles. Their lips are puckered like they're whistling. And I immediately thought I knew what it was. And I turned towards the other two and I said, that's a squash. And then the latest said, turn out the lights. So we turned out the lights and then we listen and nothing more. I mean, I forget how much time went by, but, you know, nothing more happened. So I'm convinced that that was a squash that we got to come to the cabin. It, you know, my guess is it thought there was a squash in that cabin and it was calling to it. Hey, I'm out here. You in there? And so the next morning, they leave early. I mean, he's working every day on the coast,

and it's at least an hour, I think it was, from the hippie cabin to the coast. You know, this is in the area of Patrick Creek up there. And so he leaves really early the next morning. And the next morning, I think it was the next morning. Anyway, I go out to my car. He's gone. I got to get batteries or something, and it's still pitch black. I mean, it's really early. And I open my car door, and I'm bathed by the interior light.

And when I open the door, I hear behind me, and this is the exact whistle. They used the same whistle the whole time I was there. And so when I opened the door, it's a lot of the same whistle. it sounds like it's like 20 feet behind me. I hear this whistle and I slowly turn around and the only thing I could think to do was answer it with a whistle. So I whistle back to it and then it whistle back to me and then I whistle back to it and it whistle back to me

and then I whistle back to it and I think that was it. I don't think it answered me after that. But I never heard a sound and this was not a bird. I mean, this was a more powerful whistle than a bird. So I get my gear and I go back to the cabin. He shows up that evening. Oh, that day, I dig a foxhole while he's at work. And it's kind of a caddy corner across from the cabin

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and I thought I was, you know, pretty set. And I put tape over the LED on the camera, so when it was on, you couldn't see, you know, a little light or anything. And so I dig this foxhole, and it wasn't real deep. And I made a little seat so I could just sit down. And basically my eyes were just at ground level. And, you know, I wrote this up for the BFRO, too, the stories on there. but I just sat there, you know, and in the military, you know that movement will give you your position away. I mean, people can be looking straight at you, and if you don't move, there's a good chance they don't even see you.

So I didn't move. And a fox, and I know people think I'm probably making this up, but, you know, I don't make any of this stuff up, just the way it happens. But a fox comes walking by my foxhole on the logging road, and there's a lot of it. only like five feet in front of my eyeballs. And it just walks by, didn't even know I was there. And just walked right on by me. So I thought, wow, I'm, you know, doing pretty good. So, and, you know, that's that night.

And I had kind of briefed the Leo law enforcement officer. I briefed the Leo. Hey, I got a, I dug a foxhole today. You know, if you can blast out, you know, the sounds from the cabin like we did you know last night we can get it to run by i got my camera you know and this time i had a 357 on me and um so i was kind of comfortable in the foxhole so he says sure so he says i'll do it from the second floor so he goes up to the second floor which is the bedroom and he opens the window and he blasts out a call and then

And I think, you know, 15 minutes later, he blasts out another call. And then I hear him snoring. So, you know, how quiet it is in the woods. My gosh, it sounded like he was right next to me. So, I mean, the poor guy, he's working his butt off at work and his day job, getting up early and coming out and staying up late at night. So he fell asleep. But we got a couple of calls out.

So I thought, well, you know, I'm just going to sit here. It may take them a while to get here. So I'm sitting there and I hear this crazy whistle. I can't even, I used to be able to mimic it a little bit, you know, just really crazy and powerful and clear and clean. Running up to the front of the cabin. It was like a last-ditch effort to not put. itself in jeopardy, but it still wanted to communicate into that cabin. And so when I heard this crazy whistle and it's coming towards me by the cabin,

I think to myself, this is it. This is the money shot. I raised the Sony out of my lap and lift it above the edge of the foxhole and lean a little bit towards the road because there was this little tiny, scraggly shrub thing next to the foxhole, and I had to just get around to the side of it. And just as I made that, you know, all in one motion move, I hear a whistle directly across the logging road from me. And it was a short, brief, powerful whistle. And then the other whistle that was going by the cabin stopped. And it went dead quiet.

And I'm thinking to myself, whatever made that whistle is like right across the logging road from me. It's like, how did it even get there without me knowing? But I, you know, I heard it. It was so close.

But it warned the other one. It was watching me the whole time. And so what I've later come to realize is my theory, is that when these animals come, they'll do a 360 around you to get the lay of the land and figure out where everybody is before they do anything. And so what I think they did is they did the 360 around, saw me in the foxhole.

He set himself right across from me and was watching every move I made. And when I raised that camera, he blurted out a powerful whistle which shut the other one, down, it all went quiet. And I thought I saw, you know, nocturnal eyes at different times for the rest of the night in different positions. But that was pretty much all. That was it for the night. So the next day, it's really cold.

I think this was in October. It's going to be a really cold night. So he goes to work. He comes home. I say, tonight I'm going to sit on the porch with my camera. Because now they know where the foxhole is. They saw me sitting in it last night. That gags up.

So I sit on the deck right by the door, with the door cracked, and they had a fire, I'm pretty sure, going in a wood stove inside. And I was hoping I would get a little bit of heat coming through the crack of the door, but that wasn't happening. I was out there freezing my butt off. And so I got the camera in my lap again. And he blasts out the calls, and I'm sitting on the porch. And I think after about an hour, I hear off in the far distance, you know, I don't know.

I'm just going to throw out a few hundred yards just as a number. But I can hear this. And then another... There were two different tones, which at the end of this night, I thought one was a male and the other was a female. And so I listened to these whistles, much like in the military when you're on patrol and you signal back and forth so you know that you guys are still together and what your position is. These guys were doing the same thing. It sounded like they were about 50 yards apart. And I could hear the whistles getting closer and closer.

I'm like, well, this is really strange. It's like they're telling me they're coming. I mean, why would they telegraph their movement towards the cabin like this? I know exactly where there are, and they're getting closer. They're coming in from right over there. And so they got up to pretty close to the cabin. I don't know, maybe 50 yards, and then the whistling stopped. I was hearing it like every few minutes

as they were coming up to the cabin now I didn't hear it for like a half an hour it was just just quiet but I knew they got close so what I think they were doing is they got close to the cabin and then they did their 360 to figure out you know what's going on here

and they saw me up on the deck sitting there and as I'm sitting there, I hear what sounds like a cow walking through the trees. I mean, huge, not concerned with noise whatsoever, walking through the trees from the right, which is where the whistles had ended, and walking along the side of the logging road in the bushes and trees. I can hear it as clear as day.

I swear it sounded like a cow. And it walked up and then it stopped right across the logging road from me. And I can't see nothing. And, you know, I didn't really want to raise the camera unless it was a really good reason because the last time it just shut everything down. So I'm sitting there squinting and trying to see and listen. But whatever was coming through the woods stopped. And then I realized it stopped right behind my foxhole.

So it walked up through the woods, made a lot of noise, and stopped right at my foxhole, and now had a perfectly clear view of me sitting on the porch. I thought, what a twist. What a turn to the table. So, you know, this is what leads me to believe there's some games. playing, the intelligence, you know, the tactics. You know, they're open to, you know, a little, you know, mixing it up a little, if they, if they believe that you're not a threat to them.

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I had a shepherd too, which I thought was a little sadistic. If we were ever out in the woods in the Sasquatch whistles, it will go running towards them. but anyway that's that's yeah that is that's kind of weird um do you so do you have like any audio

or video archives from that time no I I did have the camera on when I raised up out of the foxhole at the front of the cabin and uh I you know I looked at it and I didn't see anything um I

a neighbor across the street was like, oh my gosh, let me look at it. Let me do some analysis on it. And he looked at it. And, you know, it was the old reel, you know, hiate tape. And he looked at it. I think I see something right here. I looked at it. Like, no.

I don't think that's anything. I think that might be that little twig tree, like getting brushed or something as I raised the camera. But anyway, no, I just, I don't keep stuff. You know, the main reason I share this is to, for people who want to go out and experience, be open. And if you see or hear these kinds of things, you know, it may warrant some further research. because you might be, you know, in a spot. But like, you know, I don't even think I got to that one trail up in Washington.

There were two trees on either side of the trail opposite of each other. They were about five inches in diameter. And it was though something had walked up that trail and grabbed the two trees at whatever height above the ground. and then just push them over. These are absolutely completely healthy trees. When they were broken over, it was white. It was a white break. You know, the inner part of the tree was just all white.

It was a growing, healthy tree. But something pushed both of them over the same way. And it looked as though it walked up that trail and just pushed them over and kept going. I mean, it's that kind of strange stuff you see. And there's no marks on the trees. There's no chain marks. You know, there's nothing to give anything away of something pulling it over. And, you know, you talk about trees that get broken over with, you know, some of the locals.

They're, ah, you know, it's probably snow damage. No way. In the places that these trees are and the surrounding trees around them, there's no way. way that these individual trees get singled out from snow. And that was in Washington, you said? Yeah, that one was in Washington. The Olympic Peninsula is just a great place. That's what I was going to do on my research with the custom trailer and four-by-four van.

And I was really geared. I thought, you know, I'm going to be the one who's going to get the encounter. I'm going to get them to come up around my trailer. It had like 16 cameras all around the perimeter of the roof. You know, if I could get him to come to me. So anyway, but then I got Zorro and my whole life was consumed by him. He was a 24-7 animal. And you can see on my X page, my Twitter file, I talk a little bit about, you know, raising him.

And, you know, there are people out there that have kind of wolfy-looking dogs. And they'll tell you, yeah, he's, you know, he's really wolfy. But, you know, they're dogs. We have a low-content wolfdog right now that we rescued. She looks pretty wolfy. I could take a picture of her and put her on social media and say, this is darn near a pure wolf and people would believe it all day long when in fact she doesn't have the DNA she doesn't have the genetics she's just got the look-alike and she's the doggiest dog you

will ever meet but zora was a whole different animal my wife wouldn't be in the room along with him for the years that we've been together and zora was with us she would not be in the room alone with him. Wow. And if she fell down outside, thank goodness he was in an enclosure because he would have been on her. You know, to fall down

in front of an animal like that, it triggers an instinct, a display of weakness, it's time to pounce. And she'd go out and feed the chickens and fall down. And he'd cover about 30 feet in a second and be right up to the fence.

teeth-beared. It's just, it's a different animal. Of course, you know, with me, you know, of course, it's, I call it Stockholm syndrome. I'm the captor. He's the prisoner. Right. There you go. Yeah.

But anyway, I think I've covered, you know, pretty much everything. I hope, you know, people find some of this stuff interesting. Rory, it is extremely interesting. Is there a way that there's going to be some guys I know that are going to listen to this and they are going to have questions about potential questions about like the caves on Onion Mountain and stuff. Is there a way that people can reach out to at all? Yeah, absolutely. You can give them my email. Okay, gotcha.

Yep. Okay. So the one that you sent the photos from. And, you know, I think, yeah. And, you know, like the caves up on Onion Mountain, I could have spent a lot of time up there, but I didn't. You know, I found what I found, and I found what looked to me, that blasted cave entrance,

and I spent, you know, the day there exploring that, And I was convinced that was a cave engine entrance. And it was blasted shut, and I went down to Orleans, confirmed it with a ranger at the ranger station. And that was it. That was good for me. But who knows, you know, somebody can go up there and find some open caves that are just, you know, off the beaten path. And they may find that they're still being occupied from time to time. That Bluff Creek Valley, I'm convinced that has been inhabited for centuries.

And they go in and out of it and, you know, stay or whatever. But I'm convinced if you wanted to find a place, I would give that a pretty good shot. Now, but, you know, it's been quite a while since I've been up there. Maybe it's completely dry, you know. But those guys on Expedition Bigfoot, they seem like they're, you know, they're in it. Yeah, I mean, there's some good guys out there right now. But, Rory, it's been a pleasure talking to you. And thank you for sharing what you experienced over the years on my show.

I greatly appreciate it. And I'm sure that my listeners appreciate it as well. Thank you for coming on. Okay, thanks for having me, Jeremiah. Have a good night. You got it, sir. I just want to take a few minutes to say thank you to you, all my listeners, for listening to the podcast.

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