Bigfoot Society - They Crossed The Line | Texas

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

In this episode, we have the privilege of talking with Anna about her spine-chilling encounters in Van Zandt County, Texas during the 1960s. Anna recounts a series of mysterious and terrifying events,... starting from eerie silence in the woods to the disappearance of cattle, and ultimately, her close encounters with what she calls the 'Monkey Man.' Join us as Anna meticulously walks us through her terrifying yet enthralling journey of encountering Bigfoot and the lingering emotions tied to those memories.Sasquatch Summerfest this year, is July 11th through the 12th, 2025. It's going to be fantastic. Listeners, if you're going to go, you can get a two day ticket for the cost of one. If you use the code "BFS" like Bigfoot society and it'll get you some off your cost.Priscilla was a nice enough to provide that for my listeners. So there you go. I look forward to seeing you there. So make sure you head over to www. sasquatchsummerfest. com and pick up your tickets today.If you've had similar encounters or experiences, please reach out to bigfootsociety@gmail.com. Your story could be the next one we feature!🔴 Subscribe to our Youtube channel and leave a comment here: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Want to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: bigfootsociety@gmail.com

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Starting point is 00:02:28 today, Anna, how's it going? Well, first, I'm going to correct you. It was the 1960s. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. How are things down where you're at today? Pleasant. I'm actually about 90 minutes from where this took place, and I can tell you, civilization has taken over.
Starting point is 00:02:53 We were talking before the interview, and it sounds like it's a whole different. world down there where we'll be talking about today. But, you know, Anna, I'm going to go ahead and pass things right over to you. Feel free to take us back to the 60s to when this all started to happen for you and we'll be listening. Okay. Well, I will tell your viewers, or excuse me, listeners and viewers, that I had to keep myself notes. Or I will tell you what took place in August before June. This has to keep me in chronological order, so you'll probably hear paper rustling from time to time. This took place, began taking place, in June, 1966, when I was 12 years old.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Back then, every second Sunday of the month for several years, my family visited some of my dad's relatives, and what was back then, the deep woods of Van Zank County, Texas. My dad had grown up just a short walk from their house, so they were very close emotionally. This included my uncle Jess, his wife, Aunt Johnny, the adult son, Louis, whose wife was Lenny, and their four children that ranged in ages from three to 12 back then. Like it was common, in that part of Texas, three generations lived in the same house. They didn't have indoor plumbing, but they did have electricity. And they were absolutely the first people in their community to have electricity.
Starting point is 00:04:37 That's how rural it was. My great-uncle had to pay to have these huge structures brought into through the county so that he could have electricity in his house and end up providing electricity for his neighbors as well. In June, we made an exception to our regular visiting schedule. Instead of going on a Sunday, we went on the second Saturday and do what our parents called trading kids. I would stay with the family while Lewis's eldest son Pete went to visit with my brothers for a week. Lewis's eldest daughter, Judy, was a year younger than me, and we were both two. Great nature lovers, which is why we love to explore the woods together.
Starting point is 00:05:30 Although Lewis had another daughter, she preferred to do things alone since she was an introvert, and their youngest son, well, he was only three, so he was always with his mama. Shortly after we arrived, Judy, Sally rushed up to me. I've got a surprise for you, she exclaimed, as she led me into the woods. After about a 30-minute walk, we came upon a large meadow. In the middle of the woods, it was 10 acres large, and that late spring day, it was covered with beautiful flowers. We sat down on a fallen tree to take in its beauty.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Insects were buzzing around, and birds were happily singing. I don't know how long we sat there, mesmerized by its beauty. And suddenly, it got quiet, spooky quiet. Judy and I knew it could mean that there was a predator nearby. So we sat there visually skin in the area. Suddenly, the silence was broken by grunting. At first, I thought it was pigs. But it didn't quite sound like pigs.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Besides, it wasn't near the ground. Not pigs, it was up in the trees. Amazed, I asked Judy, what is that? dismissively, she answered, pigs. I corrected her, no, listen. It's not pigs. It's up in the trees. And you know pigs can't climb, and there's no such thing as flying pigs. Judy paused and listened with a puzzle look on her face.
Starting point is 00:07:11 I asked her how high up in the trees was the grunting. She guessed 20 feet high. I told her that my guess was too, 20 foot high. Then I asked her, it doesn't quite sound like pigs either. She agreed. Then there was a strange vocalization. It began with a high eave and went down the musical scale to a note so deep, no human could ever duplicate it.
Starting point is 00:07:39 What was that? I asked Judy. The dismissive place, she answered, some bird. Astonished our reviewer. Judy, you know that I play the piano. So I know some things about music, she nodded. If that is a bird, it's bigger than your dad. Then we both felt like something was watching us, not in a threatening light. Even so it gave us the creeps.
Starting point is 00:08:06 And somehow it made us feel chilly. So we rubbed our arms to warm ourselves. Judy looked worried, I think we need to go home. I agree. Uncle Jess, who was his grandfather, kept his livestock in three different pastures. According to their time, on the east side of their backyard was the goat pasture. It was separated from their backyard by a barbed-wire fence. This was the goat's only fence since my uncle wanted them free to search the woods for tender plants to eat. This gave the woods on his land a more
Starting point is 00:08:43 manicured look while feeding his goats, and he didn't have to worry about their safety because they just naturally came back to the pastor when the sun started sitting because they let to spend the evenings sleeping close together. As his son was, so he never had to worry about losing any of his goats. On the other head, he couldn't trust his cattle and horses to do that. The cattle pasture was along the south side of their yard and surrounded by wood planks on all four sides. The horse pastor faced the front yard, but it was about five. and feet away. Still feeling unheard by what had happened by the meadow, we needed some comic relief, so we sat on a fallen tree in a goat pasture. Soon we were laughing out loud as we watched their
Starting point is 00:09:33 kids play. At noon Judy's mom, Lenny opened the back door of the house and announced dinner was ready. In that part of Texas, they called the noontime meal dinner and at the kitchen. At every meal, the table was covered with large bowls and serving platters full of delicious food. It always felt like a feast. After dinner, I could tell about the look in Judy's eyes that she still felt uncomfortable about what happened by the meadow. So when she suggested that we stay inside for the rest of the day, I agree. That evening of her supper, my parents, my two brothers, and Judy's brother Pete left for our home in Dallas suburb for a week-long visit. during the same week I would be at the dome.
Starting point is 00:10:22 Had a one-bedroom home that sat on four-foot-high, tall stilts because the Sabine River was nearby and they wanted to be prepared in case they were flooded. Where did all those people sleep? Along the south side of the house was what they called a porch that was the entire length of the house. From four feet downward, the walls
Starting point is 00:10:48 were covered with ship lamp. The next three feet upward, metal window screening span three sides of the porch except for the door. Above the screening was another foot that was also covered with ship lamp. On the outside of the porch was awning that Judy's mother and grandmother had made of heavy cotton canvas.
Starting point is 00:11:10 They all both sides of the canvas to both waterproof and them prevent nilding. They also sewed canvas straps on the awning. In the warm and hot months, the canvas was rolled up and the straps were tied to screw eyes above the screening. In the cool and cold months, the canvas was unrolled so that it covered the screening
Starting point is 00:11:31 and tied the straps were tied to the screw eyes below the screening. Then a wood burning stove would be brought into the porch. This made the porch cozy even in the dead of winter. Three full-sized beds sitting about four feet apart, were on the porch. This is where Judy's grandparents, her siblings and herself slept, and her parents slept in the one bedroom since her dad, Lewis, got up at 4 a.m. to go to his job and eat Alice. As soon as it got dark outside, Judy suggested that we get on her bed with the lights out and watch for small animals that would come under the fence. Oh, what a wonderful idea.
Starting point is 00:12:14 There was a roll of mature oak trees that grew just a few feet from the fence in the cattle pasture. A family of rabbits lived in the borough under one of the trees. We watched them up under the fence to graze on the short grass of the yarn as we talked softly. Since there was a full moon that night, it was easy to see them. At nine o'clock, all the lights were turned off, and everyone went to bed. it was easy to fall asleep with all that fresh air flowing through the screen. I slept in the middle bed with Judy. Uncle Jess and Aunt Johnny slept in the bed to her left.
Starting point is 00:12:56 As it turned out, Uncle Jess slipped just four feet from me very protectively. Nothing ever happened. He loved to be there to protect his grandkids. Something woke me up. It was in the middle of the night. and everyone was asleep. There, I heard it again. Uncle Jess's two collies were under the house directly under our bed,
Starting point is 00:13:28 and they were making that sound dogs make when they are afraid of a larger animal. It's like they're too afraid to growl a lot, but they have to make some kind of sound so a low mumbled growl comes out. I worried that some predator was in the cattle pasture and wondered if I should break up Uncle Jess or not. Suddenly, a man jumped up in a break between the trees. The full moon was behind him, so all I could see was a black silhouette of him. I could see him from shoulders upward. He looked straight up, then turned his head to the right and to the left.
Starting point is 00:14:09 Once again, he turned his head to the right and to his left, then dropped down the side. At the same time, the two colleagues rushed out from under the house, and they were wiggling sideways like dogs do when they are happy to see someone. They're very fond of. I guess I must have gasped because I heard Uncle Jess saying a loud whisper, what are you looking at? So I told him what I just shared with you. Squatters, he whispered and discussed. I'm always having trouble with them trying to take my land without paying for it. I'll take care of them in the morning.
Starting point is 00:14:50 Then he explained. And I'll interrupt my story to explain this. We do not have leopards in Texas. We have jaguars. But my family didn't know that. They called the jaguar leopard. So I'll probably be calling it a leopard as well. and my uncle went on to say when I see the leopard during the day it doesn't mess with me so I don't mess with him
Starting point is 00:15:18 but if I surprise him in the dark I would be his next meal that's why I don't go in the cattle pasture at night go back to sleep that was easy the next morning Judy and I woke to the smell of biscuits in the oven We quickly got dressed and rushed to the kitchen table. Then the rest of the family was sitting around the table asking my uncle Jess was missing. Aunt Johnny explained that he was looking for squatters. After we finished eating, Aunt Johnny ordered Judy and me to sit so we could see through a certain window. Then pointing to the fence post, she said, Jess will hitch his horse to that fence post when he comes back. As soon as you see him, tell me so I can start his breakfast.
Starting point is 00:16:05 While Judy's mother, Lenny, was washing dishes. Aunt Johnny prepared more biscuit dough. She cut into rounds and placed them on a pan. After that, she got everything else ready so she could be cooking breakfast for Uncle Jess as soon as we saw him. And sure enough, as soon as Judy and I announced that Uncle Jess was back, Aunt Johnny went to work cooking his breakfast. And all the rest of the family gathered around the table to hear his wrist. report. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. If data management is slowing down your business, you need the Intuit ERP. If one entity is here and one here, and one here, and one here,
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Starting point is 00:17:26 Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a reeses. By the time I hit my 50s, I'd learned a few things, like how family is precious. Work can always wait. And 99% of people over 50 already have the virus that causes shingles.
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Starting point is 00:18:53 that is set up right by the cattle gate. The cattle gate made a loud, creaking sound any time you opened it. And the chain, they used a chain to hold in and attach it to a fence post. It was a heavy chain. You could not remove that chain quietly. So how could anyone open that gate without waking up Uncle Chalk? It was just in a canvas tent.
Starting point is 00:19:24 Aunt Johnny said his breakfast down on the table in front of him before he started eating. He told me to tell him what I seen that night. Lewis, who had a job Monday through Friday, was off because that was Sunday morning. He asked his dad, if he was going back out to search again, Uncle just said yes. Then Lewis told him he wanted to join him. Aunt Johnny Pieda, be sure to take your long guns and plenty of bullets. She then filled two canteens with water and filled two lunch sacks with biscuits. When they returned for dinner, they both looked spooked. As they reported that they could not find either a trace of the cow or squatters. Uncle Chalk soon joined us for dinner. Then he joined
Starting point is 00:20:17 Uncle Jess and Lewis on horseback as they searched for that missing cow and signs of squatterers. waters. But when they returned for supper, they had not found any. They were totally mystified. Totally. This just did not make sense. They searched after they searched around the fence, they searched the path from the gate to the road that led to their house for any sign that someone had come there. They couldn't find any human footprints. They couldn't see the cow footprints. And the land was covered with sand. According to where you dug, it was either two to three inches deep.
Starting point is 00:21:05 So if a cow had walked across that sandy land, it will have prints. And we don't know man could pick up a 500-pound cow and carried it off. This just didn't make sense. Why was it missing? Oh, well. That evening, we went to bed at 9 o'clock as usual. And something else woke me up. It wasn't the dogs this time.
Starting point is 00:21:34 It was wood. Someone was hitting two pieces of wood together. And someone else was hitting two pieces of wood together. I turned my head and saw that Uncle Jess also heard. He was sitting on the edge of his bed listening. he pointed and said one's in the cattle pasture and one's in the goat pastor this is how they're communicating it's probably morse code i took morris code when i was in the army but i was never good at and i forgot everything i knew when i got out so now we know there's at least two of them but how did they
Starting point is 00:22:18 remove the cow from the pastor me. Anyway, we listened for a while, and I finally fell back to sleep, listening to the wood knocking. The next day, Uncle Jess goes back out again, and another cow is missing. And this was just as mysterious. No sign of predators, just like it was before. If it was a coyote, a wolf, or the jaguar, which we called leopard, it would have left. blood and pieces of the animal left behind. All three animals have that in common. But there wasn't any.
Starting point is 00:23:06 It was just like that cow disappeared. And once again, there wasn't any human tracks. Lewis had to have, was already at work, but Uncle Chalk joined Uncle Jess as they searched the land for any, any sign. doesn't a human being have been near that? A Catholic pastor, it just did not make sense. How could they just disappear?
Starting point is 00:23:35 It just did not make sense. And then they got on horseback and searched the woods for anything, anything that could answer their question. And so when they came in for lunch, again, they were just as mystified, if not more so. This just did not make sense. Since they warned us, they were keeping all of us children inside the house, because they didn't know what they were dealing with. So Judy and I had just found things to entertain ourselves with.
Starting point is 00:24:14 Fortunately for Judy me, we could always find something to talk about, always. Again, that night, I was awakened by the sound of wood knocking. And that would be the case every single night that I was there. Sometimes Uncle Jess would be awakened by it. Sometimes he wasn't. And like, who were these people? How could they do that? How could they be so close and leave no sign that they've been there?
Starting point is 00:24:53 Well, my parents came on Sunday. and after supper oh by the way they brought Pete back home too and they after supper we all got in our cars and went back to Dallas County where we left and just all talking about this mysterious cattle disappearing
Starting point is 00:25:16 it just didn't make sense well that was June come July we go on the second Sunday as usual and Judy rushes up to me. She's got something else special to share with me because the land was sand. Whenever there was an area where the grass was thin, a plant life was thin, and the hard rain fell, it would carve another path in the gland. But the animals that lived near where that new
Starting point is 00:25:48 path was, didn't expect to see any humans coming down that path. We could get closer to them. You know and see bobcats and foxes and other animals that lived along that new trail. Oh, it was a thrill. And then we started smelling root beer. That didn't make sense. Root beer in the middle of the woods.
Starting point is 00:26:23 And Judy correct me, say, that's Seth Fresh roots. For those who don't know, when the root beer was first made It was made from the roots of the sassafras trees. And Jude explained, the sassifass trees do not have that aroma, just a rooster. So we knew that someone had unearthed some sassifras trees. We just followed a sense of curiosity. And there was another mystery. It was a pit.
Starting point is 00:26:55 A square pit. Who digs a square pit? pit. Someone did. We soon had to been a squatter. I mean, the corners were bright-angled square. I mean, it was a square pit. And when they did it, they lay bare some of the sass-fresh roots to the trees. And that's why it smells so wonderful. The dirt, the clay, there was clay under the sand, and the clay was filled with that aroma. Whoever had dug the pit had also formed a ramp from ground level to the floor of the pit and carved out two chairs out of the clay. What a wonderful place this was. What a wonderful place. Judy and I searched the area for any sign of burnt wood or land where some of the had been cooking meals and we both agreed that whatever squatter it was that was
Starting point is 00:28:06 dug this pit must have had one of those camping stoves that my parents had that was fueled by butane and so anyway we we went down the pit and sat down on the chairs and enjoyed a long visit before we had left her grandmother had given us sandwiches She made certain we had pockets because you weren't allowed to throw your trash down in her woods. No, no, no. You had to put the trash in your pockets. And we weren't allowed to take anything to drink. She just told us, if you eat slow enough, you won't need that drinking.
Starting point is 00:28:49 And so we sat there and ate our lunch and enjoyed that wonderful aroma. And we said, this was the perfect place for us to be. there were shrubs all on all four sides. So we could be close to the ground and look under the shrubs and watch for more animals. Oh, this is wonderful. This was a wonderful place. And speaking of animals, I realized where I was sitting that there was a bobcat's kittens. I knew that mother would be eager to move her kittens away from these humans.
Starting point is 00:29:29 So I went to where Judy was, and I told her about it, and we agree. We just turned her backs and let her take her kittens away from that area. Then after we were sure she was finished, we sat back in those clay chairs and visited some more. I honestly don't know how much time we were there. We couldn't see the sky to tell the time by the sun because the trees were so thick. Then I heard footsteps. heavy footsteps. I looked under the shrub, and I, no, it can't be, there's no such thing as monsters.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Everyone knows that there's no such thing as monsters. But there was a monster coming. It could be real, it couldn't be real, but it was. It was huge, huge. It looked like a giant ape walking towards us. I knew we had to be near one of its food sources and it
Starting point is 00:30:38 had a furious look on his face I had no idea what it would do to Judy and me when it saw us right there by its food and I just started praying softly and the first word out of my mouth was the name of the God I prayed to
Starting point is 00:30:55 Jesus as soon as I said Jesus he froze in place I saw him lift up two giant hands and feel of what was some kind of invisible barrier. This was just as amazing as seeing the monster. And then almost immediately, a small group of half-grown coyotes came out of the pasture. And they were scuffling around and playing together, totally unaware of the monster.
Starting point is 00:31:28 But the monster could see them. And he started chasing after them, and they ran. And he chased them out of the area. I'm sure after his next meal. Well, now I had to put Judy out there, but how? I started running. I ran up the ramp and I said, come on, Judy, we got to go. I'll explain to you when we get to the goat pastor.
Starting point is 00:31:47 But you can go home if you want to. I'm going to stand this place. It's too wonderful. So I tried another tactic. I go over to the exposed sassafras roots. And I pointed out that some of them were up to four inches in diameter. that none of them had been cut. They had all been twisted until they broke.
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Starting point is 00:33:35 Sponsored by GSK. Judy looked at them with new eyes, and she said, you're scaring me. I told her, I think we need to be scared and we need to leave right away. She agreed. And we left. When we got to the safety of the goat pasture,
Starting point is 00:34:08 I told her about that monster. I've seen out in the woods. She's sitting just a few feet from me and looking into my eyes and she knows I'm telling her the truth. And I told her, I've got to tell her. your grandpa and your dad about this. That monster must be what's taking their cattle.
Starting point is 00:34:30 It's so tall, it can just step over their fences, and that's why they're not finding footsteps. I think it's probably strong enough that they could just pick at one of the cows and carry it away. She nodded. So we go inside, and no one's in the kitchen. We find our mothers on the porch sitting on bed, fissing. So we asked them where the men weren't.
Starting point is 00:34:53 They didn't know. Meanwhile, I heard Judy's grandmother, Aunt Johnny, come into the kitchen. So we'd go and ask her where the men were. She didn't know. Then Judy said, tell Aunt Johnny about the animal you saw
Starting point is 00:35:12 in the woods. And Aunt Johnny gives this haunted look like she already knows what I'm going to see. say. Even so I told her about the pit we have found in that monstrous size ape that had been walking towards us. She said, there's no such thing. But her eyes said she knew there was such a thing, and I challenged her. I said, I can see it in your eyes. I can see you know what that animal is.
Starting point is 00:35:53 What is it called? And she said, there's no such thing. There's no such thing. They do not exist. They don't exist. And I want you to promise not to tell anybody about it. I'm not going to promise it. Men of the family need to know about it. That that monster must be the one that's taking your husband's cattle. And you know Uncle Jess needs those cattle. That's how he makes his livelihood. That's the only way he pays the electric bill. And she kept arguing with me while I left in defiance. I was going to find those men. I started going through the windows. And looking back, I wish I had just stepped out of the house and started searching.
Starting point is 00:36:37 But while I was looking through the windows, trying to spot them in, Aunt Johnny was talking to Judy. And Judy, grandma comes rushing up to my arm, crying, crying, and shaking. You've got to go back to the kitchen. and promised grandma that you're not going to tell anyone about that monster or she's going to punish me worse than she's ever punished me before. And I told her, I said, your grandpa and your dad need to know about that monster. What if it comes into the yard?
Starting point is 00:37:17 She said, they need to be prepared for it. She said, please, please come into the kitchen. And that's when Judy's grandmother told me how she was going to punish Judy, if I told anyone. Anytime we would come, she would have to go into the outhouse and wait there throughout our visit, and I would not be allowed to visit with her.
Starting point is 00:37:43 I wouldn't get to stay another week like we were used to, and she would try to convince my parents not to bring me along for their visits. That was how she was going to punish Judy and me if I told anyone. And I continued to try the reason with Aunt Johnny's. What if it comes into the yard? Your family needs to be prepared for it.
Starting point is 00:38:10 They need to be ready knowing what, I mean, you don't know what it can do. You don't know what it might do. You need to keep your grandkids from going out in the woods. You need to act like it's, I can tell you know what's real. I can tell you do. she would not relent. Meanwhile, Judy was just looking sick. She was crying so much.
Starting point is 00:38:38 And I finally gave him sick at heart. And I made that promise. But I kept trying to reason without Johnny. Cut trying to tell her, what if it's in your home when you come home? You've got to act like that monster is real. she would not reason why she would not reason why she would not
Starting point is 00:39:04 then she grabs a knife out of a drawer and she said this is my bone cutting knife there hasn't been a bone that I haven't been able to cut even the thick as calabone I can cut with this knife
Starting point is 00:39:18 it'll be good for cutting tree roots and I told her you're not going to that pit are you she said I sure am you told me that there's exposed sassafras roots. My family happens and love to drink sassafras tea. Excuse me, I'm stuttering.
Starting point is 00:39:37 I tried the reason where it could not change her mind. And she marched out and ordered us to stay in the kitchen that we'd better be in those same chairs when she came back with some sassifas roots. I don't know how long we waited. Judy and I scooted our chairs close to each other and put our arms around each other to comfort each other as we both. cry of her situations.
Starting point is 00:40:03 And Aunt Johnny did come back with a bucket full of sassafras roots. And she said, there was no monster out there. I said, but you know only a monster could twist those sassafras roots.
Starting point is 00:40:19 And every single one of those sassafras roots has been twisted. She grabbed each individual one, chopped off the twisted area. and cutting the small pieces first, threw into a large bowl full of water, before she chopped up the rest of the Saffres roots. After she washed them all, she made a large pot of Sassafrasite tea.
Starting point is 00:40:49 And normally I would enjoy it, but I couldn't that day. It's just I was so worried for my family, and I couldn't warn them. I could not warn them. Well, that was July. a month past it's August and even though it's a hot summer day
Starting point is 00:41:13 I knew it would be cool under the trees Judy comes rushing up to me with another surprise another hard rain to come and it had carton another new path which she had not gone down yet she was saving that first experience
Starting point is 00:41:31 for sharing it with me so off we go down a new trail. This time we come to another mystery. There's a cabin at the bottom of a gully. What a weird place
Starting point is 00:41:53 to put a cabin. This did not make sense. The only thing that Judy and I could think of was that a squatter had built that cabin down in the gully so it wouldn't be seen. But we both agreed that all the water would flow down into that cabin anytime it rained.
Starting point is 00:42:14 There would be nothing to stop it, especially since it was sand. I mean, it just would just wash right off into that gully. And Jesus said, what? They don't even have a door. I said, well, maybe they're not through building it. There was something else.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Something else I got that cabin that bothered me. Then it dawn on me. None of the logs had been cut. They were up to six. inches in diameter. And none of them had been cut. I was about to turn to Judy and tell her, we've got to leave.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Oh, no, it's that monster. That monster must have built this small cabin. And then before I turn, see Judy, I see this small grove of trees that have been woven together, even though they were still
Starting point is 00:43:16 alive. I didn't want to know the explanation for that one. I knew no human could do that. It had to have been something the monster built. I looked at Judy, and before I could say anything, her face grew pale with terror.
Starting point is 00:43:35 And there was a smell. There was this mound of dirt, right, tall mound of dirt, right beside the gully. And that smell was coming from behind it. It was like some combination of skunk and wet dog.
Starting point is 00:43:59 Oh, it was so strong. It made my head hurt and upset my stomach. And then Judy did the strength. Last thing you do in the woods, she turned around and squeam. The monkey man? What in the world is a monkey man, I thought? And she's still squealing. It's the monkey man.
Starting point is 00:44:23 It's a monkey man. And she's running, running wildly, waving both arms. I expected that monster to dash out from behind the dirt and grab her. But it didn't. Why didn't it? Isn't that what monsters did? But it did not run after her. She kept running, Wally, screaming.
Starting point is 00:44:57 And I was in shock myself. My legs felt. like Lynn. I just, I could not run. And strangely, I felt, I didn't feel afraid of that monster. For some reason, it just didn't feel scary. Where I
Starting point is 00:45:18 was. I was walking down the path that Judy was running down. And then I saw these two tender eyes looking down at me. I looked up like them. They were looking at me with that same protective look that I seen grown women look at me when I was a little girl.
Starting point is 00:45:41 Like they wanted to take care of me. Then she stepped out of hiding, and she was beautiful, much taller than my dad and wider, covered with chocolate brown hair. The hide owner's face and her hands were chocolate brown, too. Like I said, her eyes were chocolate brown. Her lips were chocolate brown except for a beige outline that went around her lips. They were ape-like lips, not human-like lips. She had two triangular breasts that were nearly flat. That's why I knew it was a female.
Starting point is 00:46:24 I'm assuming that she hasn't nursed a child yet. If she had young and surely did be near her, so that's where my thoughts were. I'm having a wonderful time analyzing her, and I could tell she's analyzing. me and that she's still looking at me with a tender look like she knew I was a harmless child. Then she lifts her arm, not like we humans would lift to point at something, but just lifted her arm in a loose way and kind of some casually pointed towards Judy like she wanted me to help Judy in some way. I nodded my hand, and my legs, I realized, had energy in my mind.
Starting point is 00:47:09 again. I didn't want to start or so I didn't start running immediately. I started off slow and just got a little faster and a little faster. By that time, Judy was at least 500 feet ahead of me. I could not catch her. But I could call to her and try to get her to calm down.
Starting point is 00:47:28 So that's what I was doing. There were predators in those woods. They had to hurt her. And we just didn't know. normally a coyote wouldn't bother us or any of them there was a leopard wouldn't bother any of us but she sounded like a wooden animal and that would probably stimulate their hunger but as we were running along I kept smelling wists of her sand just a little wits not strong enough to give me a headache or upset my stomach just just enough like she was letting us know she was there. And I'm completely convinced it was her way to let predators know she was also there to protect us.
Starting point is 00:48:18 I have no doubt that if one had come rushing up there, that she was snatched it up and stopped it. Because she cared about our safety. There was no doubt about it. I don't know how many times. I smelled that, I'll call it an aroma. That's a stink, but it said she was protecting us. Judy didn't think that way. Every time she smelled it, she went into more of a panic. It's getting close. It's getting close.
Starting point is 00:48:52 She'd squeal out. But I knew she was protecting us. That's why no predators came after Judy. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. If data management is slowing down, business. You need the Intuit ERP. If one entity is here and one here, and one here, and one here, you need the Intuit ERP. If scaling your business feels like starting over, you need the Intuit ERP. Intuit Enterprise Suite is the AI-Native ERP solution that consolidates, migrates, and automates,
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Starting point is 00:50:26 We finally made it to the goat pastor, and Judy could barely lift her legs. She tried to say something to me, and just a hiss came out of my throat. I knew she didn't have enough energy to walk through, climb through the barbed wire fence, and that was their rule. someone in the past had opened the gate and left it open and let out all their livestock and uncle jess and his family tried to get them back but they couldn't most of them were lost in the woods never to come back and he had to get a job so he could start his hurt all over again so they had that strong rule you did not open that gate but i lift the gate and when i did the chain made a noise and so did the hinges of the gate and Aunt Johnny come rushing out to rebuke us. But she saw Judy, and as soon as Judy got through, I closed the gate and I was about to go to the fence when she ordered me to go to the fence. When it was obvious, I was about to do it anyway. I forgave her.
Starting point is 00:51:43 I knew Judy needed her help. She had her arm around Judy and she walked her to the house. Since I was through the fence, I ran up to the house. when I walked into the living room all the adults were there both my parents both of Judy's parents both of her grandparents
Starting point is 00:52:03 and Uncle Chalk were all there and they were all staring at me and someone asked what happened to Judy so I told her about what it happened in the woods then Uncle Jess
Starting point is 00:52:21 asked me have you seen Oh, all of them, all of them, like an echo. I said, it's the monkey man. The monkey man is back. They were saying back like I'd been there before. It's the monkey man. The monkey man is back.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Then Uncle Jess asked me, have you seen one before? That's when I realized that Aunt Johnny was crying and shaking. I asked her if I could break my promise to her. and she nodded her head. Then I told him about the pit. And the male monkey man I'd seen before. Then I started shaking. And Uncle Jess said, why?
Starting point is 00:53:15 And I said, Uncle Jess, it's so big if you shoot at one time, it won't kill it. And Johnny nodded her head. I said, it'll keep coming. They'll either hurt you real bad It might even kill you I don't want that to happen to my family
Starting point is 00:53:35 He said don't worry He said We'll get our neighbors You'll see them They'll all be lined up In our backyard come sunset And we'll have a big hunting party That will go after those monsters
Starting point is 00:53:54 And he looked Johnny In both eyes as he touched both her knees and said, I promise we won't do it alone. Then Lewis asked my dad to stand up and ask me how tall was that male monkey man compared to my dad? I said taller. And so he started raising his hand in increments until I said, that's it. They all agreed that was seven foot tall. Then Lewis asked me how tall the monkey man was compared to my dad. And I said, well, he's taller than my dad.
Starting point is 00:54:32 So he stood next to my dad. And we started using hand increments to the side, how wide he was. And we all agreed four foot wide. And we did the same thing for the female. And we agreed she was seven foot tall by three foot wide. And then Uncle Jess asked me a question. I did not want to answer. Could it have been one of the monkey men that you saw that night in the cattle
Starting point is 00:55:00 pastor. I hated to say it. I hated to say it. She had protected us. I said it was the female. And Uncle Jess said, I know she protected you. I know she did. I want to remind you that sometimes wild animals do that. But the same wild animal that protects you one time can turn against you another time. And that wild animal is taking my cattle. That's my livelihood. And I said, I know Uncle Jess. I know you have to kill her. I just have to be sad about it.
Starting point is 00:55:57 Then Uncle Jess came up with a plan. The men of his family would start at one particular landmark, and Uncle Jess would go in one direction. Uncle Chuck would go in another, would go in another and they would go tell their neighbors a short story and they
Starting point is 00:56:18 he told all the men both men to take their guns and extra bullets with them just in case the monkey men were at the house when they came back they agreed and left then he told my dad
Starting point is 00:56:32 to get the rifle and sit on the front steps with a box of bullets then he told his wife who was an excellent hunter to sit on the back stoop with her favorite shotgun
Starting point is 00:56:46 with a box of shells which she did she actually grabbed two and she told Lenny to stay in the yard and call the boys home and thankfully they went far so they came home very quickly and she told them just to keep them in the yard
Starting point is 00:57:02 and they played a ball game in the yard while we stayed in the house Judy was still depleted. Her mother had put some kind of sand on her chest in her back and had been rubbing it and giving her something hot to drink. But she needed to lie down for a nap. And Lenny led her to her bed and turned an electric fan on her.
Starting point is 00:57:33 And I asked if I could talk to her. And Lenny explained, well, she's about to fall asleep. And I said, well, I love her. to try to keep her from having nightmares. She agreed. So I went and explained to her that that female monkey man wasn't trying to hurt her. She was protecting us. And as I explained it all to her, she agreed and she was grateful. And when she woke up, she thanked me because she did not have any nightmares. Just as they had planned about five o'clock that evening, A large group of men arrived.
Starting point is 00:58:14 Some came on horseback. Some drove pickups with trailers with horses in them. All brought long guns with them. Some shotguns, some rifles. And when I looked out, I looked out the window just to see what the look on their faces was. I told them about what he knew about the monkey men. they were all stuff in their pockets, all their pockets, with either bullets or shotgun shells.
Starting point is 00:58:46 Their front shirt pockets, all four of their pants pockets, including their back pockets were stuffed with extra bullets and shotgun shells. And my stepmother rebuked me and said, get away from that window, you don't need to be curious. and I looked over at Aunt Johnny and I said I just want to make certain they're running scared against among them I said you should see their faces
Starting point is 00:59:17 Aunt Johnny you know you know we're not afraid so she rushed up to the window and she recognized her faces she was the local Avon cellar and she also sold up aware to all her neighbors so she knew all their
Starting point is 00:59:37 wives and she had seen their husbands there as well. And she was calling them by name and like like they were. They usually had at least three generations, sometimes four living in the same house. So you see three or four men from the family. There was close to 20 men and all all ganged up there. And we had to live because of the time of day. It was just getting too late. The road was unlit and very narrow.
Starting point is 01:00:15 And so it's actually dangerous to drive through the air after dark. And so we got into the road before it got dark. Or we had to get in a car before it got dark and go down the road. And we get home, we're all still thinking about it, feeling word for our family, having nowhere to communicate with them. They didn't have telephones. if you sent them a letter, it would take over a week to get to them. And then our reply would take more than a week to get back to us.
Starting point is 01:00:46 So actually, the fastest way to visit with them is to talk to them is to visit with them. And, oh, by the way, before we left, my dad told Aunt Johnny that even though we usually came on Sundays, the second Sunday of the month, he'd like to come back the next Saturday in case they were still hunting the monkey man. And she said, please, thank you. So, dad already had all of his guns sitting on the table, the kitchen table. And he was cleaning one of them, cleaning an oiling one of them. And I went to bed and I just couldn't sleep. I kept thinking about that female monkey man
Starting point is 01:01:38 I had to talk about her she had saved our life I know she had kept us safe I know she had so I just go in there and I'm telling me even more about what I experienced with her which my dad appreciated
Starting point is 01:01:57 and I asked I said can they just scare them away and he said when an animal is that large, you can't scare it away. There's nothing you can do that. They'll scare it away. They just have to kill them, honey.
Starting point is 01:02:18 He said, I know you don't feel good about it, especially about that female that helped you. But she's eating their cattle too. So that's why they're justified in killing her. And I agree. I didn't feel good about agreeing, but I understood. The next Saturday, a day we go there. And by that time, Dad, he's cleaned and reclaimed and reclaimed each one of his guns
Starting point is 01:02:44 in all of them and got a stock of shells for all of them. And he's just had them all packed in the back trunk. And my stepmother got worried and said, if we have to stop for a flat tire and you open that gate, people would call the police on us. So she got one of her quilts to cover them. So in case he had to open his truck. And we, about an hour later, we're on the land
Starting point is 01:03:14 again. As soon as their dogs barked our arrival, all the family came rushing out with big smiles on their faces. They were safe. They were safe. What a wonderful relief it was that they were all safe.
Starting point is 01:03:31 We go inside and Uncle Jess explains to all of us that they did not spot either animal the first night. But the next night, they went on a hunting trip again. And that night, they killed a female and that they had learned already that when one of the monkey men die, you leave the body alone. And he told him about a former neighbor that happened when he was a little boy. So he would have been about, he said he was about 12 at the time,
Starting point is 01:04:15 which would have been about 1900 or so. And one of their neighbors had killed, also killed a female monkey man out in woods. And he got his wagon as close as he could and dragged the body and put it on the wagon, showed it to his family, and drove his wagon to horse-drawn wagon to some of his neighbors and showed them the female monkey man
Starting point is 01:04:45 and left it in the wagon with the intention of showing to even more neighbors the next day. That night, they were awakened by a monster trying to get into their house. The male was there, literally trying to tear apart their house. they all grabbed their guns and they were all excellent shots and they kept shooting the animal and shooting the animal and shooting the animal and he kept coming finally he was so wounded he gave up and he left leading the blood trail out of the yard they spent a sleepless night waiting for sunset when they went outside
Starting point is 01:05:36 they found out that all of their livestock had either been named or killed. That was their horses, their cattle, their goats, and their pigs, and their chickens had been stomped into the ground, all because he had handled that dead monkey man. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. If data management is slowing down your business, you need the Intuit ERP.
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Starting point is 01:06:54 Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's. By the time I hit my 50s, I'd learned a few things. Like how family is precious. Work can always wait. And 99% of people over 50 already have the virus that causes shingles. Not everyone at risk will develop it, but I did. The painful, blistering rash disrupts
Starting point is 01:07:18 my life for weeks. Don't learn about your shingles risk the hard way. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist today. Sponsored by GSK. They told them about that story and that's what Aunt Johnny was thinking about. I spoke about. So that's why Aunt Johnny was thinking about when she made me promise not to tell you about it. He nodded his head. And anyway, he went ahead and said that after they killed a female and left her body there. They did destroy the mist. They had all brought chainsaws to do so. And while some men kept watch with their guns ready, they cut up the log cabin and the trees that were woven together. The next time we came, they had placed gun racks that they had made in every single room in case he did return.
Starting point is 01:08:27 And every room on the wall, high enough that the children couldn't reach them. And a place for the bullets is well high up on the wall, every room. And Aunt Johnny walked with her shotgun everywhere she went. And she was making beds in the house. She'd have that shotgun with it at all times. Hang in clothes on the line.
Starting point is 01:08:55 She had a shotgun with her. Going to the outhouse, she carried a shotgun with her. As long as they lived there, she carried that shotgun everywhere with her. And so she told me that her neighbors were living the same way. All the women were keeping shotguns with them at all times. Anytime the men went into the pastor of the woods, they carried a gun with them. And so that area stayed on high alert for several years. We weren't allowed to go into the woods in September or October because of that threat.
Starting point is 01:09:42 But come November when we arrived, Uncle Jess said he thought it was safe for the kids. He was letting his kids go into the woods den. And Judith's parents took her and her siblings. to someplace. And so I didn't have anybody to spend time with. Fortunately, for me, I brought a book, and I decided
Starting point is 01:10:09 to go look at the area where we had seen both animals. The pit, the square pit, had been completely filled with cut logs. The, and the
Starting point is 01:10:25 gully, or what I thought was a gully, turns out it had been dug by the monkey men, and that's why. Now the dirt was where it was. My family members had used shovels. They didn't have anything else but shovels to use it. They hand-sheveled that clay back into the hole. They were that determined to eradicate any sign of those animals had been there. I went to the meadow to the same log I had said.
Starting point is 01:11:00 that on before with Judy and felt safe. All around me, the woodlands and grasses and shrubs were taken on the fall colors. And it was peaceful, so peaceful. I walked a little further and found a place to read a book. And I just sat there and read a book and enjoyed the peaceful area. The threat was gone.
Starting point is 01:11:29 It would never come back. I would continue to go there, into the mid-70s, and the monkey man never came back. This is where my story ends. Anna, that is an incredible account. Thank you, Jeremiah. Do you have any questions? Yeah, I definitely do.
Starting point is 01:11:59 I'm still trying to, it's a lot to take in from that story. How did that affect you for the rest of your life as you grew up? Well, I knew they were real. Living in the world that didn't believe they existed, except for my family, you know, and people in that area. And when there was that famous film of the female Bigfoot, walking, yeah, I knew that was real. It looks amazingly like the one I had seen out in the woods.
Starting point is 01:12:41 even walk like she did. And he did. I mean, they walk very much like humans do. And I do have this insight. I know some people believe in portals, and I happen to be one of those that also does. But there's also an explanation in the natural. While you form questions, I'll go ahead and share something else.
Starting point is 01:13:06 After I was grown and married, my husband lived in another rural part of Texas. and there was a local county that loved to frustrate my neighbors to our settlers. He would walk about 90 feet onto the ground, hike his leg and leave a cent. Walk a little further, hike his leg and leave a cent, and keep doing this for close to 90 feet until he wondered how big it was his bladder. Then he would jump up on a rock and leap about, up at least eight feet in another direction and run off in another direction.
Starting point is 01:13:49 Those two dogs would define his scent and followed up to the rock and think he had disappeared. Well, I saw two of those animals, they have powerful thigh muscles. I'm sure they could jump quite a distance. So I think one the way, since they do not want to be found, and they keep proving that we human beings that they don't want to be found. I think a very common tactic of them is for them as they're walking along
Starting point is 01:14:21 that they just jump out of the area and start walking a different direction. That's one of my explanations for a common phenomenon. I can tell you, the male reminding me of a chimpanzee face. In fact, that it was by coli coli color. His face, the tight on his face
Starting point is 01:14:44 was tan and his fur was black like a chimpanzee is. But of course he was bigger, much bigger. He looked more like, more guerrilla like than a chimpanzee, but that was what I thought of at first
Starting point is 01:14:59 was how chimpanzee he looked because he would buy a color. The palms of his hands were that beige color and part of his chest was also beige. I could see it through its dark fur. And the female, her features were softer. I mean, she still looked like a monster, okay?
Starting point is 01:15:23 If she growled at you, you would think she was a monster. If you stood between her and a young man, you'd know she was a monster. But seeing her in that light with that protective look on her face and tender eyes, I thought she was beautiful. She was, again, also very ape-like, very ape-like. But her head was smaller, more rounded. He has had that sort of rectangular top like a gorilla, but hers was more rounded.
Starting point is 01:16:03 And I had a feeling she could just look at him with those soft brown eyes and give anything she wanted. But anyway, that's my guess. Do you remember any really striking differences or similarities between the female monkey man and when you saw the video of Patty or the Patterson Gimmon film? Well, yeah, they look different. Now, I was seeing that when I saw it, it was in black and white TV. And so, of course, it was all shades of gray and black. she was walking with her knees bent more.
Starting point is 01:16:50 The male walked more human-like. His hip joints and knee joints and ankle joints were very similar to humans in the way we walk. I could never, I could not imagine. Now, he might squat down if he was trying to avoid high branches. That may have been what she was doing. When he started taking that picture, she may have come from underneath the trees,
Starting point is 01:17:21 and that may have been why she was bending her knees. She had been bending them to avoid tree branches. That would explain that, but I didn't see her stand completely upright. But I did him, and I did female that month later. I can never imagine any three of them getting on all fours unless it was to get something off the ground, but not to crawl across the ground. They just won't help for that. It would have been awkward if they tried it.
Starting point is 01:18:01 And their fur filled back into place very neatly. You know, like a fox, if you ever see a fox in the wild. No matter what they run through, they always look neat. Well, that was the same with their fur or hair, whatever you call it. It felt more like hair was they were moving about. So I don't know how it's different from other animals. But they looked neatly kept. There's some phrasing that I want to clarify during your story,
Starting point is 01:18:37 just to make sure I'm understanding it. So during the hunt, are you saying that the men that were out there urinated around the monkey man's area? No, I didn't use that word you used it. Well, I know, I know. But all the audience is all they guessed, what we were talking about, yeah. I want to make sure that's not. They did that to leave their scent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:06 They definitely did it to leave their scent because they did not want those animals to return. Yeah. No, that makes total sense. I just wanted to clarify it. Yeah, that's why they did that, just to scare them away. Sure. It's like an established dominance type thing. I totally go.
Starting point is 01:19:25 Yeah, and I didn't show this before, but Uncle Jess, during that visit after they killed them, one of them explained that several neighbors had already been missing the pet. or livestock, I'm sorry, some it was cattle, some it was goats. And so, and I think one pig had been missing as well. And they, so that they were trying to make certain they never came back. And no one ever reported them coming back. No one did. So it had worked. Which, that's incredible.
Starting point is 01:20:03 Just to remind, so this happened in the 60s. So we are talking about 60 years. Current time is 2025. So this whole area has grown up. You said this whole county area is totally different. Totally different. You will not find the deep woods in Vansan County again. They just don't exist.
Starting point is 01:20:32 Society is completely taken over. We are already in the 1970, saw signs of houses being built in that area. Does the same family own the property still, or are they long gone off of that property? No, I don't know. Okay. Most of them have been dead for several years. Gotcha.
Starting point is 01:20:56 And as far as I know, they sowed the land because none of my cousins continue to live there. So as far as I know, the land was so best, I never discussed it with them. And he visits afterwards. So I don't know what happened to it. So just, I guess just to maybe ask that a different way to, but I think you just answered it. But did you ever, when you were older, you know, did you ever have a conversation about this? with any of the individuals involved when you were in a later time in life? My parents, I talk with them with my parents, especially my dad.
Starting point is 01:21:50 That's why it stayed in my memory as well as it did. Because he enjoyed hearing a long story. That was especially a true one. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. If data management is slowing down your business, you need the Intuit ERP. If one entity is here and one here, and one here, and one here, you need the Intuit ERP. If scaling your business feels like start starting over, you need the Intuit ERP. Intuit Enterprise Suite is the AI-native ERP solution that consolidates, migrates, and automates, all in one place.
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Starting point is 01:23:39 And so he let me tell this same account I shared with you several times. And often we would just be alone. We were the only two people and two households of families, me with my husband and children, he with his wife, children, that got up before daylight. And we would visit as soon as the light was bright enough that I could make certain I didn't step on any snakes that was his concern about me coming earlier. I'd go to his house and we would talk about animals a lot. And so, yeah, that's why I stay, I mean, when you don't have anybody else. I never heard anybody else talk about that kind of animal. And when that movie was, or that film was on TV,
Starting point is 01:24:39 people made fun of it in public. You know, I'd hear them, you know. You could tell it was somebody in a costume for that sort of talk. So I knew if I brought it up, I'd be made fun enough too. I mean, what good would it do to bring it up? It wasn't until modern times that I found a community of believers. And now almost anybody believes in Monkey Man, or Bigfoot, I'm sorry. I was here in the small town I live in called Wolf City.
Starting point is 01:25:12 We have a writers meeting, and I'm not a published writer, but to the people there that come. there are. And I just come to hear them talk basically. Well, what did we talk about this last Saturday? Bigfoot. That subject, I wasn't the one they even brought it up. One of our other members brought it up. And then we realized that one of our other members was wearing a shirt with big foot on it. And so when my friends asked me to tell my big foot story. And so I told them when I told all of you my Bigfoot story. Now it's a different world, you know. If people don't believe it, they just don't bring it up anymore.
Starting point is 01:26:02 Exactly. There's a part of your account that I found really interesting is the Bigfoot was not able to move, or the monkey man, sorry, was not able to move after you said the name of Jesus, which is incredibly interesting. First off, why do you think that that affected that creature in that way? Well, I think he probably forgot all about it. He was just momentarily. He just had that look in his face. It's just not important to stay here. He wanted to chase after his next meal,
Starting point is 01:26:38 and those half-grown coyotes provided that for him. So I doubt that he even considered again. He may have. I'm convinced that that was God's intervention. I know some of your listeners may not believe that sort of thing, but I'm alive and well. Something kept me safe from that angry animal. And an angry animal, even if it's not trying to hurt somebody, it can accidentally hurt somebody. As small as we were, it could have.
Starting point is 01:27:12 have easily hurt us even if it wasn't trying to. It could have just been braving and moving its arms around wildly and knocked one of us. Who knows how many feet? But it didn't happen because I said that name Jesus. That was the first time I'd ever done that. I never forgot that, listen, and I've used it in other situations that I wanted his protection. Absolutely. Absolutely. How long did it take until the Bigfoot or Monkey Man could start moving again after you used the name of Jesus?
Starting point is 01:27:52 Almost instantly. He wasn't paralyzed. He just couldn't come forward. Oh, he was kind of like stunned. I saw I saw him bump into something invisible. He just bumped. I saw his face mash against it. And so he bumped against it like that. and pulled back and touched it with both his hands. And then those coyotes came out of the tall grass on the meadow and provided his next meal. And so my guess is that he never thought about it again. No, he may have and just came through there carefully and discovered it wasn't there.
Starting point is 01:28:36 And okay, it's gone and just kept walking along. Yeah, that's my guess. Almost like he had run into a shield or something, some invisible wall. That's so interesting. A few more questions here, if that's all right. Do you know if any of the men involved ever shared their story publicly from their viewpoint? I never heard about it. It could have happened, especially if they were drinking, something else.
Starting point is 01:29:12 alcoholic that often loosens men's tongues. But I never heard about it. I didn't never visit with any of their neighbors. I never got to know them. Our only purpose for going down there was to visit with our relatives. So I don't know. Now, the next question you can definitely decline. I'm going to ask it just because I try to take this seriously.
Starting point is 01:29:43 I do take it seriously, absolutely 100%, but I know this might be a little over the line. But are you, did this happen near a certain town? It would be really interesting to know if encounters have happened in this same area since that point. And if you don't feel comfortable answering that, that's no problem. Well, if people search for the area, they would not find it. remember this is a large animal that has to eat large animals to fill its stomach something like deer and so it's not going to be where you can easily find it and they've proven that they want to be illusive they don't want to be found and so they my guess is just from
Starting point is 01:30:44 that observation that they're going to be where people usually don't go. Now, one of my friends that was at the riders meeting last Saturday said that he came across someone that had gotten his permission to camp on his ground. He owns several acres in a rural area. I forget how many acres he has, but it's a large area. And according to that man, he saw a large area. he saw a large hairy figure, and that's what brought up the subject. And he said it was about eight foot tall,
Starting point is 01:31:22 and that would have been about 30 minutes from where I live. But you wouldn't find it in town. You're not going to find it at the local dollar store. You're going to find it where it's hard for people to go to, because they didn't want to be found. Absolutely. Just like with him. Yeah, just like with that man.
Starting point is 01:31:47 That animal came up on the fireplace. He was the building, had a nice little fire going. That was probably what attracted to the animal. He may have been just curious because he didn't do anything more than look at the fire and leave. According to, and I didn't bring this up, during my conversation with Uncle Jess
Starting point is 01:32:15 he brought up the fact that his own dad had been one of the first white men that settled in that particular area and this was the late 1800s shortly after the Civil War and
Starting point is 01:32:33 he was warned he was already knew the Cherokee language some of it when he came there from other encounters with Cherokee and there were Cherokee Indians
Starting point is 01:32:48 that sailed in that area and they warned him the first was to warn him never touch a fallen a big foot if data management is slowing down your business
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Starting point is 01:33:27 Learn more at intuit.com slash ERP. It said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a reases. Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to heightened taste? Hmm. That sounds like. seems to show. Everything happens for a recess. By the time I hit my 50s, I'd learned a few things. Like how family is precious. Work can always wait.
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Starting point is 01:34:30 That was your warning. They had dealt with them all those years, and they said, never, never touch a dead body. and I think we need to take that seriously. If you happen to find a dead monkey man, or excuse me, Bigfoot, in the woods, don't try to carry it off. Don't try to do that on your own. Please take that warning seriously.
Starting point is 01:34:58 They're wild animals. And wild animals have their rules. Whether they agree with your rules or not, they have their own rules. And those wild animals say, do not touch our dead. Only they touch the dead. That's their belief.
Starting point is 01:35:15 They touch the dead. They find a place to bury their bodies where you can't find them. And other than that, I said, if you go hunting for Bigfoot, carry a large bag of apples with you. As I've heard from one source, they love that treat. You might be able to lorler them with apples. I don't know. As for me, I'm not going to give it a try.
Starting point is 01:35:43 No way. I have seen them angry. I know how angry they can be. And I don't want to take that risk myself. But for those that want to hunt for them, use wisdom. By all means, carry a GPS tracker and tell your family where you're going. Or if you don't have family, tell people that know you and care about. you where you're going and keep that GPS tracker on you because you're going to be traveling
Starting point is 01:36:14 in some very wild country and if you start chasing an animal like that you won't be noticing landmarks and you could easily get lost. But I also know they have the gentle side and I've heard more than one story of them rescuing humans and I believe it because I had that experience myself. I know that she protected us. Something else that the Indians told my great-grandfather, that these animals were transitory. That is, they traveled a lot.
Starting point is 01:36:54 We know through studies, when they put radar or radio collars on cougars, they have territories that are about 200 miles wide. And an animal that large would probably have an even larger territory. That would explain why my neighbor had one that, or my friend had one that was sited on his land. He might not ever be seen again. He may have just been passing through. He may have not had a nest there at all. He may have just been passing through to another location looking for big game to feed on.
Starting point is 01:37:35 it's it's such a fascinating this is man i will be thinking about this four years um but first off thank you for for sharing what you experience i do want to also mention before we go it's very interesting that you're now in the wolf city area and it sounds like you're starting to pick this up but that area has quite the history of bigfoot sightings but also dog man encounters as well So I would say keep your eyes open. And I mean, if you start, it sounds like you're already talking to people about it. But yeah, if you start talking to people in that area of Wolf City, you're going to hear some stories from over the years. I've picked some up just through email.
Starting point is 01:38:25 And it's some really wild stuff in that area. So just definitely keep an eye out. Oh, my goodness. I haven't searched your videos. Do you have any videos about Wolf City? I don't. Not in the... I mean, maybe after this, I will, though.
Starting point is 01:38:44 If people are listening and they have accounts from Wolf City, they would like to share. You could definitely reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at Gmail.com, but, you know, so far I don't yet, but that could change. So... Mm-hmm. It could. Yeah, it's classified by the state of Texas as a rural community,
Starting point is 01:39:06 even though we do have paved roads and we do have a few little straws here. Yeah, but I stay among people. I'm not going to go hunting for that animal. Absolutely. The last question that I'd like to ask you, do you keep in touch with Judy at all or has it been a while since you guys have last talked? Judy doesn't want to talk about it. Okay.
Starting point is 01:39:38 Yes, she's still alive, but she's still alive. She does not want to talk about it, so I leave it alone. Yeah. So I don't know what, I mean, we had a lot of emotion that summer. I mean, it was, she had a terrifying experience because she didn't know that that animal was trying to protect her. She thought she was being pursued by that animal, and until I talked to her. about it. So, okay, I just don't talk to her about it. If she ever brings her the subject, I will. But she just gets a threatened look in her eyes and I don't push the topic. And I understand, you know, this was such a high emotional time. That's summer.
Starting point is 01:40:35 Wow, it must have been like that for them. We were only going there once a month. They were having to live there every day, listening to that wood knocking at night, animals disappearing and hearing them talk about it all the time, and she was having to keep a secret. I know they had an effect on her emotions, but I don't know what.
Starting point is 01:41:05 I know it wasn't a good thing. you're handling it the right way where if she does ever want to talk, you're available, but you also are respecting that, how she feels about that right now as well. Anna, it has been such a privilege to talk to you. I mean, this is one of the most intense encounters I've heard since I started this in 2019. But just thank you so much for coming on the show. If you ever need to reach out or feel free to do so, if there's anything I can ever help with.
Starting point is 01:41:47 But just thank you for coming on and chatting today, Anna. Appreciate it. Okay. Well, I tell you what, if I do talk to someone in Wolf City that has one of those encounters they want to share, I'll give them your contact information. I appreciate that, ma'am. Thank you.
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