Bigfoot Society - Tracking Bigfoot: Uncovering the Life of Sasquatch Researcher Thomas Steenburg

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

Thomas Steenburg, a dedicated sasquatch researcher, entered the Canadian Army immediately after completing high school and served with the Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry, 1st Battalion in Calgary, Alberta. His interest in the elusive sasquatch dates back to his childhood, and he began conducting extensive research in Alberta in 1979. To enhance his research capabilities, he relocated to Mission, British Columbia in 2003. Tom is highly respected in the field of sasquatch studies and has delivered numerous presentations at sasquatch symposiums. As a grounded researcher, he actively pursues evidence of the creature in its natural habitat. Thomas's unwavering determination to uncover the truth about the sasquatch will continue until its existence is confirmed or disproved._______Resources: Books Thomas has written (Affiliate links):Sasquatch in Alberta - https://amzn.to/41averQSasquatch Bigfoot: The Continuing Mystery - https://amzn.to/3KfevxMIn Search of Giants - https://amzn.to/3Sdyj6CContact Thomas with your Canada Sasquatch report:https://thomassteenburg.com/https://www.facebook.com/[e-mail]: 604-826-6150----------Hey all - I am making a private Facebook group “Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters”. Feel free to apply to join and share the link with those that have had encounters in other groups. Many will apply but not all will be let in. Follow the directions! 🙂 https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_link---------------Join the only Facebook group for Van Meter Visitor fans - “Van Meter Visitor Believers” - See you there!https://www.facebook.com/groups/vanmetervisitorbelievers/?ref=shareFOR MORE INFO ON THE VAN METER VISITOR FESTIVAL:https://www.facebook.com/vanmetervisitorfestival/_______Join us over on Patreon! Get access to extra audio content, exclusive merch like a membership card and stickers, watch me interview guests weekly live on video, a Patron-only Discord and more.https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyPick up a Bigfoot Society shirt to rep the podcast!https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietyTune in for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QFor full links go to:www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com

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Welcome back to Bigfoot Society, a podcast where we focus on cryptids, the strange and the unexplained of this world. If you've got a story or something weird to share, send an email over to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. And if you'd like to support this show, head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society. And now on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got a awesome interview lined up for you here. Got a new friend Mr. Thomas Steenberg hanging out with us tonight. How's it going, sir? I'm doing fine, Jeremy. How are you? I'm doing I'm doing great just hanging out on a Friday night so if the listeners aren't aware

Thomas is a Canadian Bigfoot researcher who's been in the game researching since 1978 but he's been interested since age five as well but any other things our listeners need to know about before we get into the the Bigfoot stuff Thomas about you well Well, Canadian, I use the Canadian term all the time, Sasquatch, which is the American term, came out in the late 50s. I am strictly zoological, okay? I do believe in the existence of the creature, but to me, if it exists, it is a higher primate, no more, no less.

I'm not into the paranormal or supernatural explanations or what is known in the Sasquatch community as a whole as the woo. Yeah. So I'm strictly old school and strictly zoological. Yeah. Cool. Cool. I've been.

I've published three books and co-authored two others. I've been doing this a long time. You have been. And if people, man, we'll talk about your books for a few minutes. A Bigfoot in Alberta, I'm a big fan of. That's that's such a fun book. There's so many interesting encounters that you've brought into that book. It's a very fun read.

And people be like, oh, Bigfoot in Alberta, it sounds, it's really interesting. You should check it out. If you're into Bigfoot at all, it reads like a well-written story. It's not just, and this guy saw this guy, this Sasquatch. No, it's well, well written. And also, of course, you were involved with co-authoring that famous book with Mr. Christopher Murphy, Meet the Taskwatch, correct? Correct.

Came out in 2004. It was Chris Murphy's idea, but I co-authored with him as well as the late John Green. I have a copy of that on my, a Kindle copy, and it is. If listeners don't have that book yet, I mean, it is the absolute, I would say, number one reference material for if you really want to know what's going on with Bigfoot in history and the guys that have come before and, you know, the First Nations history of Sasquite, I mean, that's where you want to go. It is very well written. What was it like co-auth, like putting all that stuff together with Chris? You have any stories about getting that together? It was Chris Murphy's idea. He wanted to put out what could almost be a textbook that could be used like in classrooms

and everything from high school to university, right, on the subject. So it was Chris Murphy's baby. And I like what I heard and what he wanted to do and sort of the late John Green. So we got together with him and we all my archives, John Green's archives and the history and what we knew and the research and it all got put together a lot of it and believe me a lot was left out. Yeah, yeah. And it ended up in the 2004 publication of Meat the Sasquatch, which came out in hardcover at first

and then it came, was republished and soft cover. and then Chris decided updated again and titled it know the Sasquatch but but only John Green myself well John Green wanted nothing to do because he wanted to include a bunch of material that we did agree with I still helped them with it but I said I don't want my name on it because I don't I don't want to know there were certain things in it about certain people and their activities that Chris such should be included. As far as I'm sure,

was this absolute nonsense. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I know what you're talking about, yeah. Yeah, but I like meat to Sasquatch the best because that in the,

Sasquatch in British Columbia, which was published in 2012, co-authored by Chris Murphy and myself, and it's all about the history of Sasquatch in British Columbia from 1700s to 2012. Wow. Yeah. That's intense. It was a very, very big book.

Again, we had to leave a lot of stuff out because it was just getting too big. Out of that British Columbia one? Yeah, the British Columbia one. Oh, man. What kind of stuff did you leave out of that? Oh, there were all kinds. The stories that were really, we like to include the ones that have been, you know, researched quite a bit by either John Green or myself or Chris for all three of us. And a lot of the secondhand stuff, you know, the ones with we heard a report, we were sent a letter, but we never really followed up on it because someone's telling us about something they saw 15 years ago.

Sure. You know, yeah, you know, there's really nothing to do with it except here in the story. We really like, well, you see it meet the disaster. It goes into minute details. It does. Especially historical events like the PG film and things like that. There's a lot of things we know that a lot of people don't. And there's been a lot of through talk and hearsay and through the years,

a lot of stuff like with the Parrish and Givenham film, people think it's true is not. You know, and a lot of facts got turned out like where was the film ship from? Where was it developed and stuff? And we don't know. I know. I can tell you right now it was about developing the four. motion picture lab in Seattle, Washington.

I could even give you the old phone number. You give me the phone number of the photo lab? Yeah. Oh, yeah, 206, 686-682, 251-0. You can try, but they closed their doors about eight years ago. The building's still there, but the lab is. Oh, man. Yeah.

Yeah. And it was kind of funny. We found out about that because it was always a question, where did Al Di Ateley take the film? Where did you get it developed? No one seemed to know. Then a colleague of mine, the late Bill Miller, who before he ever got in, the Sasquatch was one of the leading unofficial authorities on the Kennedy assassination. Oh, wow.

He just happened to go into the Ford Motion Picture Lab in Seattle because he wanted to buy eight millimeter photochrome tube film because he wanted to do comparisons down in Dallas with the subruder film. Somehow, the subject of Bigfoot, the old guy who managed to. place oh yeah we developed that movie here we showed it on the wall right there really oh tell me about it and he says sure he said we go and he says first it was a businessman who came in here and had the original film developed we developed we showed it on the wall for him before he took it away a businessman al di atley roger patterson and about three weeks later this little cowboy showed up to have a couple of copies made roger patterson there you know so that's how we know that's how we know know where the film is about that's awesome that is that's really cool man what are the chances like

just randomly bigfoot come get spread up and there you go let's uh let's start at the uh we'll we'll backtrack a little bit of one there's some uh some foundational questions i want to ask you so you alluded to that uh bigfoot's been on your mind since you were a little kid so i'm curious what was the catalyst that got you into it ever since age five? Okay. What really started for me was back in the mid-1960s when I was a wee lab, my parents brought home a hardcover readers digest book, which was for education purpose for myself and my sister,

who was two years younger than I am. And, you know, in this hardcovered readers digest book, you could find chapters on everything. you know, rocky mountains, flora, weather patterns, hurricanes, volcanoes. And, of course, it had a big section on the age of the dinosaurs with those beautiful, old colored paintings of T-Rex standing straight up and dragging his tail on the ground that they know wasn't the way it was now. And a rhinoceros in a swamp, because they said he was so heavy, he had to stay in water

because he couldn't support himself in his legs. Something paleontology says it's not true now. But people thought it was true in the mid-60s. And right in the middle of the dinosaur section was this little two-page article called The Thing in Lock Nest with the usual tree blurry black and white pictures, right? I don't know if something my head, young mine snapped because I must have read that 80 times. And I pestered my parents, pestering my parents. He got me a lie in rear card and say, here, kid, go ahead.

And I went there to find out about, you know, and I knew very young. I was never going to move to Scotland. So, and I went trying to find out about more about that. Of course, you come across books and things that talk about other aspects of cryptozoology. And I don't even think that term was used back then. Used to refer to as monsters. And I read about this thing in Western Canada called the Sasquatch. In the United States, they called it Bigfoot.

I'm intrigued. And I just, I think what really did. not long after that on a school night when I should have been in bed I came into the living room thinking I was going to get a blast for my parents were sitting in there watching a movie the old black and white TV and my mother said oh and I think my father said something to the effect of what's what the lad watched us he's interested this kind of thing and my mother said something along the lines oh no he can't watch this he'll have bad dream blah blah blah my father won the argument I sure he was regretted that ever

And what was playing was that old hammer horror film starring Peter Cushing, the abominable snowman of the MLAS. Oh, yeah, wow. And it was Sasquatch after that. And I did my time in the Canadian Army. I served seven years with the first time of PBCLI. And I got posted to the Curry Barracks in Calgary, which is just outside the Rocky Mountains. And going to Cannock started coming back. I saw the rock one winter, early winter morning.

I saw the Rocky Mountains for the first time of my life. And it looks so beautiful. It almost looked like one of those phony 1950 backdrop paintings in a movie. You know, it almost, it was so beautiful. It looked fake. You know, it was beautiful. I just, I must have looked like an idiot. I stood on that bridge looking at them for like 30 minutes.

And the thought went through my head, you know, no one's ever built a wall between Eastern B.C. and West and Alberta. they've been seen in eastern bc they have to be seen here too so what i did is i just took out ads and local press in southern alberta saskatch anyone who believes they had a signing of this preacher please contact thomas steenberg and a phone number and i didn't expect much a result but my phone was ringing almost daily wow yeah and through that i met the late professor of Vladimir Marcotic, who was a professor of anthropology and archaeology at the University of Calgary. He was right. He helped put together the book, Sasquatch and other unknown hominids with Grover Krantz in the early 1980s.

And he called me up and I guess I impressed one up of my knowledge that we kind of sort of became unofficial partners. He did the academic stuff because he was a senior citizen even then. He was already in his mid-70s. And I did the field work. And through very, Vladimir, I eventually met the late Grover Krantz. And on my own, I met the late John Green, the late Renny Day, and the late Bob Titmus. I got to know all these guys. And I became friends that did work with all of them, all with the exception of Peter Byrne, who I didn't meet face to face to 2010, even though we exchanged letters every now and then in phone calls. When you were just starting out as a young researcher, what was on your bookshelf for reference

at that time period. Well, the biggest one was John Green, and when I started, that was the year John Green published his book, Sasquatch the Eves of Myos. Wow. And many of much considered that, you know, the Bible.

Exactly. Before that, I'd say the best work was Ivantine Senator's work of Bono, Snowman of North America. This is Matt Rogers from Las Culture Eastas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Culture Reasters with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cashbacks on your favorite bundle

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what was it? It was a bottom of snowman legend come to life.

Yeah, that was a great book. And of course John Green's early works

the small like track of Shatchatch which which you published

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but there weren't that many of them back then. They're not like

today. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Yeah. Today. Those are my reference points. But I was young and naive and someone yelled Sasquatch. I believed them, you know.

It was through venting. And I adopted right from the beginning. I adopted my official policy and a philosophy. And that philosophy is stick to the facts and never deviate the facts. That has been my. policy from day one and that's what I did and I learned things you know there are a lot of people who like to make up stories it happens all the time and especially since inventions of great tools like the internet it's become a soapbox for every

snake all the salesmen out there was faced yeah yeah and uh What impresses me is people who saw something, they don't know what it was, they tell me about it, and they almost want me to tell them what it was. You know, and I've encountered that. But even from the beginning, like the first real investigation I ever did was, I'm not, I can't remember he was an Australian tourist from New Zealand, but he had a rental car and he was going to Banff from Calgary on the old 1A highway. and he saw what he described as a great big bloody orangutan crossing the rodent problem there was reddish-brown color and that's what he called an orangutan he had never heard of the sassirates he had heard of the eddy and the embellator he never heard of the sassar and he saw the article in the paper because someone pointed it out to him when he was talking about it and i met him out there

and you can see scoff marks were someone up there but to me the man was telling the truth he wasn't saying he He saw a scratch, but he had no idea what he saw. Hmm. I just described it. And, uh, well, sounds like it was to me that if someone's right or someone lost an orangutan, it grew very long by peeled legs. Yeah. Those are some of my favorite, uh, stories.

I, I've heard a few that are similar to that where it's like a tourist that comes from another country. They don't really know what's, what's going on over here. And they're like, you guys got monkeys over here? What's with all the monkeys? And then the people that live here are like, wait, what are you talking about? We don't have monkeys. And you're like, I saw some fishing.

You know, and it's just like, it blows my mind, dude. Yeah, I had a piece like that in the Clearwater River in the mid-80s. A guy was out hunting with an American friend and American yelled over, hey, you got eight here in the monster? Because no. That's the best part in Bigfoot in Alberta. I laughed so hard when I read that. part that was like are you kidding me yeah yeah and uh it was just splashing water in

itself when it's a tech the deer presence it left and they never saw it yet yeah wow so you're you pretty much said this already but i just want to i just want to clarify so what if i was to say thomas what is bigfoot it sounds like you've got a pretty clear answer it's one of two things okay it's a higher primate that lives in the wilderness areas of north america canada and the united states maybe a few other places but i'm kind of skeptical on that or it's mythology and folklore one or the other can you go into uh i'm curious what you mean by mythology and folklore it's all it's all a big uh fairy star Okay.

That's just caught on, but keeps passing it on. Oh, and then all these reports are just the collective people having some like, oh yeah, I saw it too. Whenever you're interviewing a witness, you've got to keep this fact in mind.

Okay. There's only three possibilities here. Three, one, they saw a Sasquatch. Two, they mistook someone. or something for Sasquatch or three, they're lying. There are no other possibilities.

Hmm. Is there something, I'm sure you've interviewed countless amounts of witnesses over the years since 1978 back in the 70s. Is there something that when you're interviewing a witness that, you know, sets off a trigger where you're like, okay, this is, this is legit? it or is it just you can you can tell by how shicken up they are or how do you view that i'm not naive to think that everyone who's ever talked to me has seen a squash okay most of the time when i know they're b scing me i i learned very early on don't confront them i just let them finish it

i say thank you very much and they never hear from you again and hopefully hopefully on an area and let's say well that wasn't much fun leave me alone I made the mistake of confronting people in the early years and let the you know one woman claim assassins coming into her backyard and having sex her every night I mean well ma'am I don't know about your

your sexual fantasies but I don't believe it happened and she just went on a tirade on me for like 10 minutes oh that set her off wow I started in the army couldn't swear that well so it was unbelievable. You know, but, you know, what strikes me is, like, the latest one,

I just finished interviewing British Columbia file 226. Wow. That's how many of British Columbia I have. And talking about something he saw about fishing in the river in 2015. Okay. Very convincing story. I have yet to talk to his ex-girlfriend who was in the boat, I'm planning to have seen it too.

I hope to do that soon to get confirmation. Okay. Sounds completely convincing. And it sounds like he really wanted to get this off his chest. I asked me if you ever report to anything else. He said, yeah, once about five years to go on some website on Saskbox. I mentioned what happened without giving him my name. And he wants complete confidentiality.

He doesn't want his name out there. Sure. I don't give it. But there's one thing to bottom. He said he saw the eyes glowing on the wrist. riverbank and he came to the conclusion the reason of the eyes were glowing off the water and the polished aluminum of my boat you know he thought the full moon what's doing that okay well that sounds reasonable you know what words he says one of those bright lights where you almost don't need a flash they were sort of

tied off in a snag getting some rest and this thing chucked a couple of rocks near the boat got his attention he saw it squatting sitting on the edge of the water when he yelled over to his girlfriend you know back at it again it was gone wow but she saw it walking off into the bush where a third rock came out and they landed in the water okay it sounded perfectly jib however i checked i did some checking there was no full moon on the 15th of august 2015 the full moon was on the 29th uh oh yeah so the beginning of the month the first it was the end of a full moon cycle the next one didn't start you go two days before it the moon looks full but isn't quite you have the full moon night and then it looks partially full the next two nights after that right but then usually

of the rest of the month it's in shadow shape you only see a crescent moon or whatever on the 15th it was almost fully obscured so i have to conclude he was mistaken about the full moon but he said he can see the moon right or he's mistaken about the date it happened but he is trying to remember something back in 2015. So again, I'm going to see what the girlfriend says. Yeah. Okay. Simple fact is the night, and the night he said this happened, there was no full moon. Yeah. And you're taking reports all the time still, it sounds like. I mean, 200 some odd reports.

Yeah. In this particular area of BC, we've had a lot of natural disasters in the last couple of years, forest friars, mountain slides, land slides, As a matter of fact, a year ago, in this time, we were almost completely cut off by landslides that took out all the roads around us here and stuff like that. It just played habit. Starting reports in this particular area have almost dropped down to zero. And when I do hear about something, it's like the one I just talked about someone. Someone's telling me about something they saw eight years ago. Wow.

Do you think they got wiped out because of the disaster? No, no. I don't think there's not as many people going into wilderness areas because all the roads are up. You know, there are other explanations. And forest fires. Who wants to go into a burnt out timber area? You know, they go where it's still green.

You know, I think, I tend to think that may have something to do with it. And that and the fact there's been a lot of logging activity as well in this particular area. Because other areas, they still seem to be happening. And I have had two people at first contact me. wanted to tell me something and then for whatever reason not only themselves he'd decide no i i really don't want to get involved anymore than this i'm just going to put it behind me and move on i've had two of those in the last year yeah and i don't blame if they don't want to talk they don't want to talk you know the ones i don't like i'd still get the odd crank call you know

the ass off sats scratch he'd communicate me with his mind raised Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and I hate to say it, but most of the hoaxing in the United States has reached since the Internet, but the Internet has reached epidemic proportions. It's so, it seems like it's so easy, it's got to be way easier than it was back in the day, to be honest. I mean, you could just whip out your phone and back of the day, you almost had to pry information from a witness, you know, you almost had to pry it out of them. They were very reluctant to talk because they were very reluctant to be called a liar. Now with the internet, it seems like there's a whole bunch of, especially young guys say,

hey, let's send this into that show, finding Bigfoot, maybe they'll push on the show, and we can see it. We can fool them for no other reason is to go watch a show and high five each other. Hey, hey, hey, we got them. You know, that kind of thing. And it happens. It happens a lot. And there's people like this new cryptological phenomenon, dog man.

Oh, I would love. Okay. What are your Taton dog man? I would, it's everywhere right now. I wonder since why I didn't hear of a single instance before Linda, the late Linda Goughry wrote that book, The Beast of Bray Road. Yeah, bless her heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She wrote that book.

I never heard of a single case anywhere. And now the roll over the place since that book came out. That's like she twerkers. That's an interesting point. Yeah. There were stories in French, Canada, and Quebec and stuff of what they call the Lou Gourou. You know, and things like that. The dog man phenomena, that really didn't get takeoff into the Bray Road instance,

and Linda Godfrey published a book about it. After that, they're seen all over the place. Me, I don't buy it at. There's a question. This is from listener, Doug Geer. This says what, this is, of course, what you feel? What is the one piece of evidence that is most. convincing for a Sasquatch to exist?

To me, the most convincing evidence is the anatomy suggested by a lot of the footprint findings that have gone, been found since the late 1950s. You can't argue about that. There's also the DNA results of some hair shableness being sent in. When they say it's primate hair of unknown origin, that's intriguing. Okay. The PG film still strikes. accord with me because I believe in it's authenticity.

I think Roger Parrish and Bob Gimman filmed the Sasquatch October 20 at 1967. And I still do. Yeah. I'm willing to be convinced I'm wrong, but I still think it's authentic. And ongoing investigations on certain things you'd feel, man, if they're pulling a prank, they're really going out of their way. Those are probably the best arguments to the existence.

of the Sasquatch. But what I would really like to see happen is one of these universities or government sponsors expeditions that go in the wilderness there is to do a study that has nothing to do with Sasquatch, you know, either a grizzly bear study or a Wolverine study and something of that. Boy, it would be great. One of those groups came up and saying, hey, we found these weird tracks. Or we saw something and filmed it, right?

Or we saw something and filmed it. Why doesn't that happen? Another argument, and I'm surprised the skeptical community has never brought this up. Do you know where Banff National Park is? So I have heard of it. I could not point to it on a map, unfortunately. But I have heard of it. It's on the least slopes of the Rocky Mountains between the province of Alberta and British Columbia.

Sure. During the 1980s, they had what was called the Red Flag Polans. The Transcanada Highago is right through the park. They were trying to get drivers to slow down because so many animals were being killed. And there were thousands of these little red flags, you know, everything from a squirrel to a grizzly bear. Right. It was terrible. So they finally gave up on that because he just couldn't get the public to slow down.

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are all a lot of a lot of difficult. Talked today with your doctor or pharmaceutical, patrocineated for GSK. Then they became concerned after a few years a lot of animals weren't used in the tunnels so they built overpasses on the highway, covered in trees and stuff like that.

And they decided to do a study by putting cameras out in these overpasses and tunnels to see what was used them. And this went on from the mid-1990s to now. Now, since the mid-1990s, they know that grizzly bears that were alive when they built the overpassed and tunnels wouldn't use them. But grizzly bears weaned since the construction have no problem with them. Now, they got cameras out there, and the only out on this, in my logical mind, is the cameras are not 24-7, 3006 or five days here. They put a couple of cameras on this overpass for a week, then they move them over to another overpass. Okay. Okay.

But since the mid-1990s, they got video footage of every damn thing you can think of, including some very strange people. But guess what they don't have any footage of? Probably Dickfoot. Yeah, Sasquatch. Why? Why? Why? Okay.

The Coca-Hala High was built in 1986. The same thing. They didn't put any overpasses. It's all wildlife tunnels. And I had an idea. I called it the Coca-Hala project. We cover those tunnels with solar-powered trip cameras, 365 days a week,

24 hours a day for however long it takes to get footage of every large animal, man-sized or bigger, we know exists. Wow. And if that does, all that time we get all that footage of other outlive and we don't get a satchquatch, that would convince me that the satch squash does not exist. And I'm happy to say that the American Forest Service in Washington State have started building overpasses over the I-5 highway. They're doing that right now. And unlike the Canadians, they keep their cameras on them all the time. They already have amazing footage of everything from mountain lines to bobcats, you'll only.

through there and a couple of gristies they didn't know had migrated that far south yet you know they know and they're just getting started so the next few years the next 10 years this was going to be critical but it bothers very interesting yeah that bothers the hell out of me that those cameras have not picked up the photographic evidence that we are looking for yeah well hopefully uh our friends in Washington well we'll get that all taken care of and we can maybe get some on cameras for you that would be pretty sweet

yeah yeah yeah a good clear image you know none of this oh my goodness is it a saskocher isn't it I know it's blurry or it's a shape in the shadows there here I'll draw a red line around it so you can tell on this oh you got a lot of those I'm sure you've had more than a few of those

yeah any video or photograph the person has to tell you what you're looking at. It's evidence that just went out the window, even if it was the Sasquatch. We kind of touched on the PG film a little bit, but it reminded me of another question that came in from Mark Webster. He says, besides the PG film, do you have any other favorite footage that you've seen over the years?

There's other footage that I would like to know a lot more about. Okay. There was footage taken in 2015 on Vancouver Island. It's known as Defino video. There's something big, hairy and shaggy in that footage, but you never see it. And the interesting thing is the couple who were walking on this trail,

they had lost it for a while. They lost the card from the camera. And they just, a couple years later, they found it again. They said, what is this? We don't know what it is because it's obscured by the trees. But there's something big and shaggy there. You can see it. If it's not a Sasquatch, it's a large bear standing up against the tree or a rock face there or something.

But you don't really get a good luck at it. That's an intriguing one. I'd like to know more about it. There is a fascinating so-called skunkake footage that was taken around the same time down in Florida, a man in a canoe where you see this ape-like thing, and apparently it's going after a snake swimming in the water. I'd like to more about that one. And, of course, I still think there's a possibility that the Jebedai State Park footage in 1993 in Northern California may actually show us Sasquatch, but other people disagree with me on that. Yeah.

I'm going to, I'm going to need to look into those. Also known as a Playboard bunny footage. Oh, yeah. That was on. So I do this thing where I love going to Bigfoot encounters. you know, rest in peace, Bobby Short. But she's, yeah, that's on there. And I was reading about that the other day, but that's such an interesting interview.

That's the lady that got interviewed by Jay Leno about the Bigfoot, right? I think that's same. Leno was making fun of her. Oh, it's terrible. I would love to talk to her and, like, actually let her talk and have her story out there because Leno was just like, well, okay, we'll leave it at that. But you know what I mean? Like, right.

Right. I mean, it took me a long time to find a copy of that issue of Playboy she's in because I always feel it's important to have a photograph of the witness for the file. Okay. Well, but it happened. What it was in the scenario, if you've seen the footage, right, the whole footage? I have, yeah. Yeah.

This is before the Blair Witch Project made that genre, I was taking out of camera face looking scared poppy. Good point. This was a film crew. They were filming a show that never aired because it was canceled before it was ever completed. They were supposed to review motels and camping sites and resorts along the Pacific Northwest and do a review on them. And Ammarine Goodard was going to be the host of the show. Okay.

Now, they were going through Jeb... They took a wrong turn. They're trying to get somewhere around Eureka. They took a wrong turn to Jebedo State Park and they ended up in this road. They're trying to turn this big massive mold. all the home around. And they're acting like young people do when they got nothing but time in their hands, too much beer.

Yeah. They're all making fools of themselves. Anna Maria is in the footage and she's not made up and I don't think she'd like herself seen this way in public. You know, she's wearing an old red sweater and jeans and baseball cap and she's making no makeup. And she's making a fool of herself just like our husband and the rest of the crew were. They're just having fun, you know.

And the driver was actually getting annoyed with everybody. because he's having a hard time turning this mobile home. And suddenly he sees what he thinks is a bear across the road in a while. He goes, look, look, look, a bear, and he starts moving forward towards it. And they tell him to turn the bright lights on when he does, the thing cuts across the road and just improves him behind a giant redwood tree. The problem is the man who is holding the camera, filming them all making fools themselves for like 30 minutes before this ever happened.

He starts filming it. And the image is kind of blurred because you see the back top of the front passage. your seat in the way he took this camera off it for a moment to move and actually sit down in that seat and bring the camera back up again and when he brought the camera back up again it stepped in behind the tree and you lost out of it you know that's they all walk out they go whoa what was that on it blah blah blah blah blah swearing like banschees yeah it's pretty and there it ended there and we got to point out this was like two three years before the blarewitch project made that, ooh, lost,

home-found genre popular, right? So I still think there was something to it. Other guys, people disagree with me. You know, all was all the set up. It was a publicity stuff for the show. And I point out, well, you know, the show never aired. It's a great point. Yeah.

As far as I know, none of them have ever come forward to say, yeah, it was all publicity stuff. You know, most of them don't talk about it at all. I don't really go ahead. She doesn't know if it was asked her. She doesn't know if it was asked me. It was just something big and shaggy walking in front of their damn mollahom and nobody other than them knew they were going to be there they went they made a

wrong turn they were on a wrong road yeah that is so wild yeah i went there in 2003 to have the look at the area oh you did yes and you can go and right behind the giant redwood tree you know because there's a big no sap knoll it it comes up almost to my just below my shoulders behind that tree there's like a nine-foot drop right into firms and all kinds of garbage and you walk through that for about a hundred yards so you get to the river bank and it disappears right it's i don't know if there are two trees or large old-go trees with similar knots on them if you go take a look at the area okay you'll know you're at the right one because the road as you go past these trees curves to the left that's the right tree if you're at the tree where it curves the right tree where it curves the right that's the wrong tree. So many people have taken photographs of that wrong tree. Wow. I can't remember it's the first one or the second one,

but you'll know it if you ever go there. If you go there and the road curse to the left immediately after that tree, that's the right tree. You're at the spot. If you're at the one where the road curves to the right after the tree, that's the wrong tree. You're at the wrong spot. That's awesome.

A few guys put in a question for you. That is a similar one. What is your favorite tobacco for your pipe? Cherry Cavendish, but it's almost impossible to find here now. Yeah. Oh, so you've got a, you know a guy who knows a guy and he hooks you up. Well, sometimes, you know, in Canada, we get burned. This little packet here.

Yeah. Cost $8.50 in the United States. My goodness. $57 bucks up here in Canada. All right. Well, there you go. Joe Purdue and Jonathan Dodd. Now you have your answer about what Thomas likes.

By the way, everyone wants to send me a care package. I appreciate it. Just make sure you mark a gift because they ask if you don't, they'll ask for duty on it. Duty in Canada is basically a 500% markup. Well, do with that what you will, listeners. Oh, that is funny. A good friend. Actually, before we get to that one, so I'm curious myself, you've, it's, you're actually, you know, I heard an interview where you were, over the years, you've casted over a hundred tracks. Is that true? No, not a hundred. I've cast maybe eight to ten. Yeah. I listened to that way wrong. My bad. I'm going to go back and listen that again.

But what do you feel like the most... Is there a track that you casted that really jumps out in your memory? One that was pretty cooler than the others of the 8 to 10 that you... Well, the whole situation was. There was a time there. I was married for a little while. My ex-wife was putting a lot of pressure. with the sash watch thing on the back burner and concentrate on more important things.

In 1986, I consider that the best year amount of life because I basically had all this accumulated leave because the seven years I spent in the Army, I never took that much leave. And I had to use it up before I could be released. So I basically had the whole summer of 1986 off with pay. Wow. So I left home in late May, and I didn't come home until. Halloween night. That did impress you very much.

Yeah, that wouldn't do it. Yeah. But during that, in August in 1986, I heard about a minute along the Chilac River and a campground down there that it just happened a day before. So I went rushing down there, and it was a dirt road

still back then. It's paved today. And it's called Riverside Recreation Area. I don't think it was named in anything. And I drove in today, what is considered the exit right into the entrance. And as I'm driving in, I see this red pickup truck with Utah license places in a camper coming out.

I stopped and they stopped. And I said, have you folks ever heard of anything strange being seen here? And the woman said, oh, you mean the big foot? The husband looked out and said, oh, shut up. It was them. And they put

off their leaving because this was expose. year so they're up here doing her thing at the expo and now they're on the second half of their vacation to do what he wanted to do was camping and fishing okay before heading back they're from salt lake city they're vacationing up here all she remembers is this gorilla like thing had gone through their campsite while they were down at the riverbank fishing and had snatched a stringer of fish they had hanging from a hook that they put the lantern on and it took off through their campsite crossed the road and disappeared along the banks of bald beard creep. They never made any attempt to go after it.

See more of it. Another guy in the campground came running up to them and said, do you see that? He saw it too. And I think he's the guy I ran into the town that told me that something that happened out there. There are two other fellows down for fire in the campground. But when I was down there interviewing them, I talked to them about it. They were kind of snickering out of the whole thing. They kind of made me suspicious. So I went across the road after they went on carried on with their vacation, gave me the story. I went across the road, and I found the tracks. The witnesses never knew they were there on the Mexico.

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in the way difficult. And of course, and of course the clear ones were the ones right down by the Creek Bank, right? Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. Where it was soft and muddy and stuff, and then were the tracks. I cast two of those. And as it moved off from the creek towards the bank to the slope of Ford Mountain,

it was more like marks in the grass or marks in the water and things like that. they were all kind of and when they went under a batch of old group trees suddenly they were all over the place you know no set there were just all the way i described at the time it was like a man searching the ground for his keys oh wow and what i think happened assuming the story is true is the thing stopped was checking to see what was being followed okay suddenly at the other end there was a line of tracks going through through the fronts towards the rock and this rock slide area in Ford Mountain. And some of these rocks were the size of cars, right?

That's where I lost the trail. I never found anywhere where on the other side of that trail where it came out. I never found the fish stronger either. But that was the best set of tracks I ever found, and that's what convinced me not to give up on the Sasquarks question. And that was basically what started dissolving my marriage to my ex-y. Oh my goodness. That just did everything at once for you, didn't it?

for you, didn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, there's no way I'm quitting on this. Wow. No, yeah, that's someone that didn't. It wasn't the first set of tracks, alleged tracks I ever saw, but it was the first I ever tried to cast. And the first thing I discovered was, boys, it'd take a lot of passion pairs to fill one foot. You know, I was about these large, you know, milk carton like, from now on, it's big bags. I couldn't believe how much it actually took the fill. took all my plastered parrists just to cast two of the prints. And from that point on, I've never stopped. Is there anywhere you can go to see those casts, or are they just in your private?

I have one here. One of them's lost now, but I still have one of them here, yeah. Okay, so a new private collection. That's cool. Nice. That's a crazy story. Wow. Alex Pedicoff writes to you, and he says,

What is the most interesting report from British Columbia? Oh my goodness. British Columbia that you've heard or investigated personally? Like what's one that really sticks out to you? In 2006, there were two incidents on this is British Columbia. I have my favorites, if you mind. There were two reports from two different people who didn't know each other. okay on on on uh on uh bridle falls for service road that goes really high up in the hill

there's a great big lookout way up there that couples like to go to you know to look at the lights across the Fraser valley of the distance and stuff like that this couple was coming back this is like two in the morning she actually never saw okay all she remembers her husband suddenly slammed the break brought to the hall and said you had see that damn thing and she's no what are you talking about that that and then he suddenly pulled ahead seemed to look in the bush where it looked like something to plowed through the bushes there and then he pulled off right where bridal falls creek is that goes down in the falls and he started telling her and finally it clicked in there are you saying you saw a sasker he said no there's no such thing as a saskatch

that's what he did this guy's been hunting his whole life he's heard stories but he never believed it and he still will not say it was his asspodge. After I interviewed him in his home and stuff, we got the whole story. He said, I don't know what else. It couldn't have been. It fits the description when everyone says is a sasker, but it can't be a sassvice, because there's no such thing as a sasker. It was kind of funny.

He told his wife after the incident, you tell nobody, nobody, what we saw here tonight, okay? Nobody. But she told her friend. And that's all it takes. Who told her husband. Yeah. And her husband worked at the sawmill where I lived and he remembered me and what I did.

So within 24 hours, I'm giving this fellow a phone call. The first thing he says to me is, how the hell did you find out? But I matched calm him down and I promised confidentiality. I've never revealed their names. And I promised confidentiality. And I went there and I interviewed them at their home, not too far from Battle Falls. and then we went up and looked at the site where it actually happened. We could see where something had come up across the road and plowed through the bush.

No discernible tracks. We can see the trail. And the mountain of that part is like an angle like that. We were going down myself in the late built, we were going down. And we had to brace ourselves pulling on the trees and stuff where we would tumble, right? This thing came up in a straight line crossroad and kept right on going plowed right through the bushes. You could see it.

You've probably seen photographs of that case on the internet. and stuff and uh where something went through there and and he still will not say it's a saskatch he still will not do it and even all these years later he still won't and uh the interesting thing is the chilewack paper decided to do a story on the saskatch question in general and my bill and i said well we were just investigated this is it just happened a day or so ago if you We won't reveal their names, so they sent two reporters up. We showed them where it happened, and we went up to the high view point, and talked about the status quo, in general.

And they wrote an article that appeared in the two-elect packs that titled, if you'd go in the woods today. Well, this other young man saw it and said, my God, I saw something that same road later on that evening. Oh, wow. And he contacted the paper, and the paper put him in touch with us. And we went out, and we interviewed him at the spot where he saw it. Well, while we were in when we realized he did not see it the following evening.

He actually saw it four and a half hours before, half a kilometer further down the same road. He came around the corner. It was leaning against a feeder stump, or a nursing stump, as they call it, where a big old growth tree has a new tree growing out of it. And he said, that thing just panicked when my headline said it. And it scrambled up over the top of that stump and went crashing down through the brush on the south. on the side, he could hear it going. You know, if I tried to do what he said, this thing done, I would have breaking a half or a leg or something like that.

He said, this thing just went crashing down. I could hear it going. When I hit it, it climbed, it scrambled up over the stump. Didn't go around the stump and went over the stump and crashed down through the trees down. I could hear it going. Now, what I think it was, was, even though I can't say this with 100% certainty, I think it's a high probability that both these cases saw the same animal. One guy saw it going down.

A couple coming back, four and a half hour a lot of saw it coming back up. That's what I think personally. Can't say that was 100% sure, but they were two sightings, four and a half hours apart, less than half a kilo more part on the same small stretch of Forest Service Road. That's wild. Yeah. Has there been a, well, over the years, you investigating, researching, what do you feel the closest you've come to a Sasquatchez, personally?

Oh, $2,004, it's possible I saw one myself. Really? Mm-hmm. Well, but I won't say so because the facts are, and I stick to the facts and everything. Sure. I saw a figure. Okay. It appeared to be jet black in color, and it appeared to be walking upright.

but the facts also are it was close to a mile away on a cut line with a high power lines go right to the forest I only saw it for about four seconds as it walked from the center of the cut lines and disappeared the trees below right inside it was too far away to see

detail so I either saw the biggest weirdest look on man I ever did or I saw a Sasquatch one or the other so I generally say I saw a figure in March of 2000 I will not say it was the saskuts because I can't say with one half percent

certainty it was I stick to the facts every deviate the facts I saw a figure it moved to the right it disappeared to cover the distance halfway across that cut line in about four seconds it was gone I only had time to bring my old land rover to all the only the man who was with me a buddy of mine John Miles who was given a ride up to the 20 mile bay camp he saw it two or he claimed to have okay yeah i had the camera and i got out brought the camera up to take a picture but it was gone that fast yeah yeah didn't get and uh i don't know if that was a saskatch i have personally seen when it was not a saskatch i still have not very very interesting but the way i remember it i think if i put a seven-foot man up where that was and went back to my vantage point

i'd barely see him at all really Well, I remember, this thing was big even for his ass. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I don't know. I can't say, I don't know. Memory plays tricks. You know, we've all done it as kids.

You've gone back to a place you haven't seen since you're five years old or 10 years old, and you can't get over how small it looks. Absolutely. Or how much bigger that Boulder was than you actually remember having fun playing, hide and seek around it. You know, that kind of thing. It happens all the time. It's memory plays strange tricks.

So who knows? Who knows what I saw in March of 2004? Hmm. Yeah. I saw something. I just can't confirm what it was. There you go. Do you mind if we talk about Renee for a few minutes?

No, you can talk about anything you like. Okay. So the character of Renee DeHinden, you know, to me, it just seems like, it must have been quite the guy to know. Do you mind sharing with how you met him, what it was like, you know, talking to him, all that good stuff? René was Renee. There's no other way to describe him. Okay. I first met Renee when he called me. Wow. He was in, coming through western Alberta, heading back to BC, and he was staying at the Leek-Oise campground. He asked me, because this is like a couple of years after I started it,

I'm gotten to be abnormal a little bit. And he wanted to meet me. So I went out and drove all the way out to Lincoln Weas to meet him because I was very, I really wanted to meet him. And I walked in, I recognized this truck right away, that old green camper, green hornet truck he used to drive for years and years and years. And I knock on the door. I can hear clinking inside.

and he's just sitting at the campground clinking inside that i'm gonna mr hinton thomas steamer here and i hear this voice come up from the truck who cash that was my introduction to the late reddy to him we came friends and the colleagues long after that though i pissed him off more times i cared or mention oh you did oh man well i knew all the old guard you know and reny would always say so what did that tip me think about this or that, you know, or what the hell is that clean doing now, you know, or something like that. I tell, Renee, I'm not going to tell you.

I don't tell them what you said or do, and I won't tell you what they said to do. He didn't like it, but he accepted it. And he never held it against me, and he held it against so many others. Sure. And he never held it against me. I'd like to say, I love the late Reddy Baynden, and he loved me sometimes. That's funny. Yeah, but the funniest thing, the funniest, Renee, this story I could tell you, is up Garnet Creek Forest Service Road.

I think it was Garnet Creek, not really great, but Garnet Creek Forest Road. I was out with Renee during the day, we were looking around because back then in this area, it was great for finding tracks if you could find it. And we decided to stop, you know, brew up some tea and have our lunch. Reni always had this little folding table, right? and he ready was very simple he his idea of lunch was a hunk of cheese a couple of buns and an apple or something you know all right so he had this big big bun he put it on the table and he in the core I don't know what kind of bird it was it was the most beautiful yellowish blue color but I picked up that butt and I had trouble lifting it because it like it's cut up eight feet off the ground

but couldn't go any higher and it slowly going down the path of this button and really can't make that. back going out of thinking he was running out of the damn bird. That's funny. You see the bun drop the bird and the bird go, pshunds off. Because, you're not going to eat that either. He goes, no, but I just didn't want him to have it. Oh, that's awesome.

Do you think he would have been able to, like, do you think today's big footing world would have been able to handle Renee at all? No, and I don't think Renee could handle today's Bigfoot community. Oh, that's a great point. Yeah. Yeah. Ready passed away in 2001 before the internet really, really took off. Oh, that's true.

Yeah. I mean, his big events is someone finally gave him a fax machine he was amazed by that. No, Renée would, I'm sure with that, I'm sure, things have happened in the Sasquatch field since his death. He's making him turn over his grave. Yeah.

Sure. Yeah. You also spent time with John Green. Correct? Yep, yep. What was he like as an individual? John Green was an absolute gentleman. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society.

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But he did like a good clean joke. But when you got he got mad he couldn't stand Peter Byrne. A lot of people

couldn't stand Peter Byrne. But is that That's why I kept my correspondence and, you know, with Peter Byrne a secret because John Green was very well known for say, if you do any work with Peter Burr, you'll never do anything with me. Is that how he talks? Kind of like John.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Wow. Just look at all recordings of John Green. Okay. Yeah, I'll check it. Joe Miller could impersonate him a lot better than I could. But, yeah, that was John.

and an absolute gentleman, absolute excellent before the internet and stuff, accumulator of data. You know, and logical mind, graven of the bush, he was tall and lanky, had a bad habit of not ducking when a branch came flying. the worst driver in the world oh no oh my god how he lived so long driving the way he did is an absolute miracle wow yeah he was the worst driver i ever saw and i asked june his late wife how can you stand like when you go to alberta to visit your kids and stuff how can you stand she says i just tune out i tune out i relax i put music in my head and i close my i pray i mean he was that bad you know he was that bad wow yeah i don't know how he lives

really because i saw him take chances you wouldn't believe yeah worst driver in the world but you know a logical mind when it came to the saskwatch and stuff i like to think think he had more of an influence me on me than anybody else really oh wow yeah why would you say that i don't know a lot of people commented my books sound a lot like he is okay yeah because i had the same writing style right sort of like you know that's why i got when i one of the arguments i got with in with the publisher most of my books were put out by hancock house the alberta book the first edition was put out by western publishers a company that no longer exists okay yeah and was republished by Hancock House in 2018, which is probably the version you saw.

Yeah. I got a lot of arguments with Hancock House or the editor's anchor because they wanted me to clean up the language and stuff and the interviews and stuff. That's it. Look, the reader will get a much better impression of who you're talking to if they hear what, if they read what they said word for word. I'm not interviewing Christopher Hitchens every time here, you know. God has said it, and that includes the ums and the eyes and stuff like that. Yes. And John helped me with that.

He told me, said, you know, I should have done it that way too. You know, because you want the reader to get an accurate picture of who you're talking to and who you're dealing with, right? And you make everyone sound like an English professor out of the university. That's not an accurate. It's not believable. Yeah, it's not accurate. But I went out in the end, and I think it was a good decision. Yeah.

Yeah. And John was great on that, on getting stuff done that way. And when we did meet the Sasquatch, John would, I don't think we should include it. I would say, we have to include this, John. I'd say, okay, we're going on. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm not going to find a deciding vote.

You were the deciding vote. Not all the time. Sometimes there's me and Chris arguing about something, and John would be the deciding. Oh, that is fun. All the arguments were Chris, I noticed. You know, me and Chris or John and Chris. And never me and John.

Well, there you go. But, you know, it came out of well. John Green was an absolute, but, you know, old age is a terrible thing. Sure. When you get up in your 80s, witnessing the physical decline, of an individual you know you do for years it's just a it's a it's a sad thing to watch yeah and i and on

my last meeting with john i went to see him in his retirement home room about a month before he passed and it i wanted to take a lot i i didn't take any photographs because it quite rightly no people don't want to see him like this yeah remember the way he was you know and uh i didn't do it John seemed to go downhill after June died. June died a few years before he did. I don't think he ever got over it. June was his late wife. He's a guy, you know, I've never heard anything.

I've never heard anyone talk bad about him, which I think is to... Oh, you never talked to... Oh, you never talked to that right into Hendon, didn't you? Okay, well, no, I never got the interviewer in the day of it. Did they, because they went back and forth, didn't they? Oh, well, they were kind of partners at the beginning. I mean, ready to hit and got John Green involved. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Ready to hit and showed up in John Green's out. John was editor for paper in Agassie. And the only thing he ever did with the Sasker was write an April Fool story about a girl being taken away from the Harrison Resort by one, you know, it was an April Fool story. The sign of the Swiss immigrants shows up, and he just wants to go out hunting the But John told me he did everything he could convince Renee.

It's nothing but an Indian legend. You don't have to, you know, but René wouldn't listen. And René got him to look at some of these stories. And that's how they found out about the Ruby Creek incident, you know, the Jack alleged Jack shall capture in Yale, things like that. John looked into it and he wasn't hearing about a big Indian with long hair on the head. He was hearing these stories of an ape-like creature and he became intrigued. So it was to Hinda that got John Green.

gone. Wow. That's very interesting. For, you know, for people that are getting into Bigfoot right now, you know, newer to the field, but, you know, you want to make sure that you, you figure out, you learn all the stuff that's come before. What, what books, are there books that you recommend for newer Bigfooters that they should pick up so that they, they get all, the history they get all the stuff that's been done before i've been t sanders's book in 1961 balma snowman led to come the life john green's books and his major work saskatch each among us in 1978 any book by thomas steenberg right and any book chris murphy thomas steenberg and john green yeah a meldrum's book so i just look at the

Sasquatch. That's a good read. John Benernagle's books are good to read. Yeah. Look out from a scientific point. Any book that looks at the mystery from a zoological scientific stance. And there are other books that make connecting with you of those and go throw them in the garbage. That's my advice. In my opinion. Gotcha. Gotcha. Thinking over the years since 78, was there something, was there an incident that you

investigated that just took a hold of your life and you found yourself always being drawn back to that, anything like that, that was just, it took you in a hold. Earlier I said, I had my favorites. My favorite, I didn't include it earlier because it wasn't in BC with Southwestern Alberta, so it was a Crandall campground incident. Oh, I love this. This is so good. I was watching this on Sasquatch Archives, and it's in your book, too, and it's so good.

Yeah, I wrote about it in the Alberta book. I wrote about it in search of giants. We covered it again in other books. Yeah, it's been written about it quite extensively. It just fascinated me. I must have went to that area when I was in Alberta. I must have went to that Crandall campground around about, I don't know, 10 times. Wow.

Looking at that area afterwards. Yeah, Alan Deb, Park Warden, Alan Deb. By the way, in Canada, they're called wardens in national parks, not rangers. Okay. He told me he did everything to try and convince these four people that they must have seen a bear standing up. They'd have no part of them with it. They'd have no part of it. You know, four witnesses, possibly seven witnesses, because there are three people in a pickup truck that said they saw something too,

but I was never able to track them down. I was never able to track them down. But our four made witnesses, they did the rare thing. They went and made a report to the Park Warren's office. And one of the witnesses insisted on writing something out. They were perfectly willing just to hear the story and leave it at that. But no, he insisted. He wanted something right.

And I think that report is probably still unfollow in the warden's office in Waterton, Lake National Park in Alberta. Wow. Yeah, still there. Yeah. Four witnesses claim they have seen this thing. They saw it very close up. I interviewed all four of them separately.

The story is fascinating. It's wondering, next to the Big Horn Dam incident of 1969, it's probably Alberta's most well-known Sasquatch incident. And I think it may be considered a Sasquatch classic someday. If not, it should be. I mean, it's fascinating to read. It's really, really good. People need to check that out.

I would say for, you know, and this is just for meeting your book, but I would say it's probably one of the cooler stories from Alberta for sure. Do you think that current, looking at current Bigfoot researchers, do you think we're close to closing the case on it? No. We really haven't moved the needle at all in the last, you know. No, no. No.

We're spinning our wheels. The only thing I can say is we've got pretty equipment when we do it. You know, I mean, no, we're still trying to answer a question. One, does it exist or not? And there are too many people who they refer to themselves researchers, but they're not. They're not. They're more like religious fanatics trying to push a faith. Talk to me about that.

What makes, what's the difference between a Bigfoot researcher versus a person who's trying to who push their big religion. Oh, research. I prefer the term investigator, but fine. An investigator researcher, a true researcher, is someone who has to admit that in the end they could turn out to be wrong.

You know, I fully accept the possibility that in the end, it may turn out the Sasquatch is nothing more than great North American myth and mythology. I don't personally believe that yet. yet, but I accept the possibility. All these people are like religiousities push their faith. They're like an old priest in a pulpit, you know, the Lord said, there is a Sasquatch.

You gotta believe it. Are you all going to hell? Right. I'm exaggerating, but you know what I'm talking. No, I got it. Yeah. They feel it's their job to prove it to everyone else. And everything that happens is Sasquatch.

Ooh, I heard of sticks that. Sasquots did it. Ooh, that tree branch is broken. Sasquoise did it. Now, everything is Sasquatch. Ooh, those strange sounds, I don't know what else could have done it. It's got to be a Sasquatch. Now, there's all kinds of strange sounds.

In my opinion, noises in the woods or noises at night, if you don't see what did it, there could be other explanations for it. Right. Of all the recordings of alleged Sasquatch vocalization, the one that fascinates me still is the lummary incidence of 1975. Okay, I've never heard of that one. Oh, you probably have, but you know, it was recording made by the late deputy sheriff, Kenny Cooper. Okay.

Who reported. And the reason why these were so famous, I'm fascinated because even though no one saw the animal vocalized the sounds, the animal was in view just moments before the sounds were heard. Hmm. It disappeared in the trees. he's screaming noise because came out of the out of the woods and Kenny Cooper he later changed his name to his Lummy name which got like 45 letters in it and I can't begin to pronounce it so I still called Kenny Cooper unfortunately he's passed away now but he had the presence of mind to tell them to turn on the dictaphone back in the headquarters and he held his police mic out of the

car and he recorded the sounds wow yeah so it was done and recorded it all over the dictaphone in the police headquarters. I got them here if you like to hear them. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. I would love because I was just thinking where can we hear these, you know? Like. Let's see if this works.

All right. That's it. And you gotta remember that was recorded over the airways, over police radio on the receiving speaker and the headquarters and recorded on what's a dictaphone. And no one under the age of 50 will remember what a dictaphone is. It was how we recorded phone conversations way back in the good old days. Tell me what the name of that audio is again you used before.

It's called the Lummi Recordings from 1975. The Lummi Indian Reserve just south in Washington, just south of the Canadian border here in the West Coast. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture East us with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Culture Research with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cashbacks on your favorite bundle of brands when you join Venmo's stash. Your rewards come from bundles of brands you can keep or switch every 30 days, so you can choose the ones that match your everyday spending. The more you do with Venmo, the more you get. Earn 2% cash back when you set up auto reloads. Earn 5% cash back with direct deposit.

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they seem to have a rash of incidents there especially during the salmon runs they seem to have

a rash instance in 1975 was a particularly busy year for reports Okay. Before that, 1969 was a busy year.

He may recall an old documentary, Mysterious Monsters hosted by, I can't remember his actual name, but he played the Mission Impossible, the guy actor with the white hair. Okay, yep. Yeah, but they did an instance in the Nooksack River there. That was also on the Lummi-Aid Reserve,

and that was 1969, where a Lummi fellow named, John Green, no relation to the John Green. He claimed that a sashbrush was trying to steal fish out of his nets. And he was very close to it. He actually passed a, he actually took a lie detector test for the documentary and passed. Yeah. But it seems like these kind of things break out there along the Nooksack River and the Lummi Reserve every so often.

Some salmon run years are no reports at all. Others, a dozen people will say something. And in this case, a woman said, phoned up the police department said, There's a big, hairy thing in my backyard. And they all rushed down there. And they had their spotlights on it. And they had their guns drawn, too. But the thing took off, disappeared in the trees.

And about 20 seconds, I've disappeared in the trees. These noises came out of the trees. And he recorded it. That is awesome. I'm going to definitely look more into that. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool.

What do you feel the most important skills for a big, investigator or researcher to have today are a wealthy host hope a vast quantity of common sense yeah okay and healthy dose of skepticism is the best attribute any investigator researcher can have just because someone says they saw a sasker doesn't mean it so it's like i said earlier there's only three possibilities you can consider one they actually saw a sasker two, the mistook something or someone for assessments or three, they're lying. Unfortunately, in this day and age, number three seems to be the most common. Very interesting.

I've heard different places that you've dealt with a few hoaxers over the years. What's your advice for dealing with a hoax or a hoaxer when it might be something even close to you? I think there was one that happened on the trip you were on, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've been supposed hoaxes before. There are some people I know that I know have done some suspicious things in the past, too. That's another drawback in the world of researchers and investigators. There are some people out there who call them some of them.

They're in a hurry to be famous. Right? They're in a hurry. They're not willing to do the work. They want to be known right now. And how do they do that? they lie through their ass. It works until they get caught.

But once they get caught, your credibility is gone. Sure. Like you've heard the name Todd Stead. Yeah. I'll just say in my opinion, I don't believe a word the man says. Okay. Yeah, I don't believe a word the man says. A fellow here in, I personally caught throwing rocks for Andy Burson.

He's still on the internet all the time and he has his legion of followers. I call him hosting in 2009. Wow. Period. Yeah, simple as that. Yeah, and yeah, one part of your job is don't get along, drawn-out wars, these people, because other people keep bringing them up, but just say, I know this is a hoax. And they say, well, why don't you prove me hopes?

I said, well, I have better things to do than follow Todd standing around. I'm trying to find these, whether or not the Saskwoods exists. I don't want to waste time following Todd's standing out. Yeah, people get to, yeah. Do look at his claims, turn on your common sense, which and you're gullible enough to still believe what he's telling you, well, fine. Have a good life chasing your tail.

Yep. Chasing your tail. I got better things to do. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of, uh, this is not me referring to any person, but, uh, there's a lot of a hero worship in Bigfoot, it seems today and people, uh, forget that you have to actually go out and look

in any other field. That's true. That's true. There are people who earn the respect. Yep. And there are people who blow it out their ass and get it through. Sure, sure. Means and you're always going to get people because the general public,

just face it, there's a lot of gullible people out there who believe anything. Yeah, I agree with you. I could start a religion tomorrow for the worship of hockey puckson, and I have probably 40 followers in about a month. It's probably already out there in Canada. Yeah, the most of the most. The most scariest thing is these people are allowed to vote. Right. Yeah.

You know, there's a lot of gullible people out there who will believe anything, you know, and that's just the reality of it. And I'm not interested. It's like Rennie said once. I'm not interested in Saskatchezan. It's got damn mine. I'm interested in Saskatchewers out there in the bush. Gotcha.

Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, DeHindin was quite the dude from what I've read. There's a, there's a question that I want to make sure. that I get in. Megan says, what are your thoughts on Jacko? The Jacko story is a classic tale.

Okay. That's one of the classic tales. Was it, is it a true story or was it an example of 19th century tabloid journalism? I don't know. John Kirk thinks he has evidence that the whole thing was made up and he has some valid points. I have found evidence that I think it could have been true and I think I have valid points. it either happened or it didn't. The point is it's already 160 years too late to prove.

Yeah. If it was, I wrote a forward for a little booklet put out by Chris Murphy, the late bear month. I said it was a great opportunity to solve a great mystery before the mystery became great and it just didn't happen. Yeah. So was it true or was it not?

People got to remember. John Green used to get, and people like John Green used to get offended with this, because they'd like to think that the Canadian West was somehow more civilized than the American West, because after all, we were part of the British Empire. That's funny. No, it wasn't. This is bad in many cases.

It was even worse. Wow. Yale in 1884 was hell on earth. I mean, watch that show that was on HBO a number of years ago, Deadwood? Oh, sure, yeah. They could have called that Yale town and would have fit right in. And that bridge, Columbia? Yeah.

And we went by without a gunfight, a stabbing, a murder, a hang, you know. And in 1884, there were 15,000 people in Yale. There's only like 80 people there today. Man. Because it was at the ant, tail end, and the Caribou Gold Rush. Okay. Yeah. So it was a hazardous place.

the RCMP did not exist in British Columbia in 1884. So every town and community had a sheriff. You know, they had jails. Half of buildings were brothels. The other half were saloons. Sure. You know, and it was just a wild west town. And for something like this to gain attention from the populace for a little while,

had to have some merit, in my opinion. Now, what it was true or not, I don't know. It's a classic town. Unfortunately, it's just destined to remain that, just a classic tale. Right up there with the Ruby Creek, classic tale, the Albert Osman kidnapping, the Fred Beck and the eight canyness and it, you know, all classic tales that you've all read in the early books over and over and over. Do you think there'll be any tales from today that will be considered classic tales in the future? Well, I think the Crown O'Campron isn't from Alberta in 19-18-D-1, yeah, definitely, yeah. But again, that's not up to me.

That's true. That is a good point. It's up to future generations. We won't be here. That's a great point. The guy who shoots the Saskatchens brings in the body, that'll be a classic tail, but it'll be the end of it. Do you think that's what it's going to take for science to get on board? That's the only thing the scientific community will accept.

When you ever ask them and I have, what do you need to confirm that the establishment is another species of priming out there? They're unanimous. They need a body or piece of the body or sufficient skeletal remains. But they examine and proven. And no amount of politically correct wishful thinking will ever change that because that's just the way it works. Yeah.

It would be, oh, man. I've thought about it a little bit, but it's like, man you you take one down you know there's probably another one and they're not going to be happy and you better be ready for the other one to come out it's just like man my goodness oh they'll make your treat yeah i think the size quads the partial reason for their success assuming they actually do exist is their non territorial behavior because they seem to yield the ground of the first intruder human or animal That's probably more than anything else is the key to their success, their elusiveness by nature.

Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows? I've got a shot in a dark question, and this is just, we'll see. If it lands, it lands, and if you say, I don't know anything about it, don't worry about it. Right now in the circles of people that are into Bigfoot, they're also into this, these tales that come out of Canada from the Nahani Valley. Oh, yeah. Do you know anything about that? The Nihani Valley, I spent 13 days in a canoe expedition there all the way along this line.

Is this southern Nihani? Yeah, north and southern Nihani. Victoria Falls, you're in the north and you get south of your protas around the Oh, my goodness. Can we talk about this? Yeah, and the lower Nihanna, and the lower Nihanna. Butte all the way in. That was a great trip.

1985. I was with the Mortar Poutune, and we did a summer expedition up there. I was looking for Sasquatch evidence. Other guys are into other things. So you were looking for Sasquatch evidence on the Hama Valley. Yes, I was. Yeah. Wow.

And all the old stories, you know, about the Headless Valley and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. The part is these creatures are supposedly to be there, They're going to the First Nation legend. And they were very hostiley humans and stuff like that. And a whole tribe of First Nations people disappeared and were never seen again. That's actually true.

Whether or not they just died out, who knows, or died in an avalanche or something. We don't know. There were several men over the years who were found with their heads missing. And that's the legend of the head hunting creature. The old man who used to go up there every year that then actually, A national film board made a film about the early 60s. He would go prospect and work his way up the river every year. I actually spent the night in his cat, what was left in his cabin.

Both one of the prospectors? Yeah, yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah. It's a great area. And I tell you, man, we got out of our tent sometimes and more than to see fresh, grisly truck outside. Oh, man.

We decided, okay, we got one right, we'll have one man on watch all night long. Yeah. Yeah. It's a beautiful, beautiful, wild wilderness places. It was one of the best outdoor adventures I have ever been on. Is it as hard? Oh, sorry, go ahead. That took 13 days.

Wow. Yeah, yeah, canoeing down. As hard to get into that area as they say. Your way in is my full plane. Wow. You come up the river by boat. There are no roads. Yeah.

It's a national heritage site now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I guess the quet, did you, did you find anything related to Sasquatch up there? No. Saw a lot of bear tracks. Okay. The things and a lot of wildlife never saw any sign of Sasquatch anywhere in the Haunee River.

But that don't mean nothing. I was only there for 13 days in 1985. That's awesome. That's awesome, though. You can say you're in Nahani on a little adventure. That's amazing. Yeah. Just make sure you get, if you're going to canoe down there,

make sure you get out of that river that last bucket for Virginia Falls or no one's ever going to see you again. Oh, really? You'll just go over it. Yeah. Over and be after that's the 10 mile canyon. That's just straight for rapids. Oh my goodness. Yeah. You'll be you'll be out of there. The other the other stories Canada has so many amazing stories. I love I love it. They have you guys have some stories about dinosaurs up there. Have you ever? Again, that's the Honorable Valley. Well, yeah, that's true. Good point.

And Partridge Creek, Monster, and Yukon, right? Yeah. Yeah. There's just stories of the Honorable Valley about pre-stored Valley there and stuff, but I think that's just more legend. Okay.

Yeah, stuff. I don't think it's based on anything. There have been reports in the world of crypto all the other than Sashbunch. We get reports of, you know, the giant salamander every now and they have a seen or reported. and the giant ground slough has been reported in areas of BC as well. Oh, really?

They're not new to the extent of Sasquatch. And, of course, in our lakes, the rivers, you've got Ogopoga and Okinawag and all up and down the courts. You got Caddy, the Cabriosaurus, which is a city serpent of some kind that's reported all up and down the west coast, not just British Columbia, but Alaska, Washington, Oregon. Yeah. What? Do you have a reason as to, why is British Columbia such a hot spot and a magnet for all this stuff? Because it's a lot of wilderness and there's hardly any people. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. And the whole population of Canada is equal to the population of California. Wow. Yeah. And 80% of that is within an hour's driving the American border. Because this is the warm part. And on the West Coast, we got mild winters.

everywhere else in Canada, it's a deep freeze half the year. It's a rugged place. That is very cool. Wow, I did not expect to talk to you about Nahani Valley tonight, and that was pretty cool. This has been... We wrote a big thing on the Nahany Valley, we included in the BC book. Me and Chris had a lot of... I wasn't sure.

It's great stories, and I thought, okay, I'd like to put them in the book, but the Yukon is not B.C., Chris. That's true. That's true. You have... You have all these stories from, like, the UConn that are pretty much not published. There's an author who just published a book on the Yukon. Oh, it's an inch going on that. His first name is Red.

I can't remember his last year. Yeah, I saw that on... It looks interesting. Yeah, it looks very interesting. It's right. Some that caught it going to the Woo, but other than that, he's keeping a record of them up there. Oh, cool. Yeah.

Yeah. Renn Hollinger. Hollinger. Yeah. Yeah. Yep, yep. Right. I met him just on Vancouver Island recently at a conference.

It's a fascinating read. Yeah. It's a fascinating read. I check that out. Yeah. Thomas, thank you for hanging out tonight. This has been a really, really fun chat. I have enjoyed it.

Before we go, I do want to make sure if there's any closing thoughts you have, thoughts you have. And also, if there's anything that you want to make sure the listeners check out, please by all means take the time to do that as well. In my opinion, I'll just say this to all your listeners. If you're going to get involved in investigation in the Saskatchewater America, please, please leave the lunatic fringe behind. Don't become one of the inmates running the asylum. Have a scientific zoological approach. healthy dose of skepticism and always has a philosophy of stick to the facts and never deviate from the facts. Okay.

Very good. Don't be in a hurry because if you are, you're in this for the wrong reason anyway. Sure. Yeah. See, I gave up two decades ago caring whether the general public believes in the existence of this aspect. I do this still because I want to know. Gotcha. I want to know.

That's cool. I want to know if I'm right and they are there or I want to know if I'm wrong and it's all myth and mythology. And if it is all myth and mythology, then I've done my part to catalog a good, great piece of North American myth of mythology. Absolutely. Listeners, make sure that you look up Thomas's books. Best place to get those on like Amazon or what would you recommend? Yeah, Amazon. on Hancock House still.

Okay. So, yeah, so you know what to the direct from the posture, but I usually find them on the bookshel. So if you find books on Sashbots or Bigfoot, as you call in the United States, you'll find those books there.

Usually, yeah, yeah. I wish I could find Bigfoot books in, in my area in Iowa, but you usually don't see too many of those hanging around in Goodwill, but. Well, you know, just contact Hagenham House publishers and there you go.

Right there. Yeah. Awesome. Oh, if people in Canada have a report out there in British Columbia, how can they best contact you? Well, I'm on Facebook. Okay. I also have a blog talk page, Thomas steamer.com, W.O. Thomas Demer.com, but it's being repaired right now because something happened. And, of course, my email is Sasquatch at tell us.net. And my phone number is 604, 826, 6150. I'm not afraid to give it out. If I get weird calls, I get them anyway. I like to record them and have a collection of weird sask. That would be amazing. Thank you for coming on, Thomas.

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