Bigfoot Society - Tracking Sasquatch: From Alaska to Massachusetts

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

In this thrilling and mysterious episode, we sit down with Norman Sollie, an avid Sasquatch researcher, to hear his captivating experiences across multiple states, including Washington, Alaska, and Massachusetts. From solo trips into the Cascade Mountains where he felt an inexplicable pull to leave, to eerie encounters near his home in western Massachusetts, Norman shares stories that will challenge what you think you know about Sasquatch. He discusses unusual tracks, mysterious tree bends, and even the peculiar behavior of the creatures near his farm. What happens when a seasoned researcher encounters unexplained phenomena that seems to push him beyond the physical world? Don't miss this deep dive into the elusive world of Sasquatch sightings, paranormal experiences, and the search for truth.Resources: Norman's presentation referred to at the end of the episode:  https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1fRg4cdAdBJAiJuHTj_plaIz1I5KLs12dxrOCDJNvydI/edit?slide=id.p1#slide=id.p1🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Patreon – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn More🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072📧 Business Inquiries:[e-mail]

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Tonight we're joined by Norman Solie, a man who spent decades searching for Sasquatch, but it's a strange paranormal experiences that have him questioning everything. From eerie, unexplained sounds in the Cascade Mountains of Washington to the mysteries of a farm in western Massachusetts, Norman's journey reveals a deeper connection to the unknown. What happens when you've seen enough to make you question the very nature of reality, and this is Norman's story, so stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society, I've got the privilege of talking to Norman solely today. How's it going today, Norm? it's going great it's a privilege to talk to norm today norm reached out after i just released a recent massachusetts episode and he reached out saying he's had some interesting things happen over the

years over multiple states uh we'll see where we get to uh and where we go today there's a few different places we could go. But, you know, Norm, it's just, it's a, it's a privilege to have you on the show. You have sent me a few things to look at and you're doing some really, really cool research that people might be able to see in the coming months. We'll see how that turns out, but it's very exciting stuff. Do you mind sharing how you first got involved with the Bigfoot topic to begin with? Well, I'm one of that older generation, Jeremiah, that can remember watching the Patterson Gimelin film in a movie theater.

I went with my father and I got to see it. And, of course, that intrigued me at what I was eight or nine years old at the time. And then late junior high, high school, I, of course read all the books I could get a hold of John Green, Renee Daugendon. that old well that was a bummer I think we're connected but I'm not hearing you

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happen all the time on this show for some reason or another yeah we just got disconnected my board decided to mute me these weird

weird stuff we'll probably get like voice modulation stuff that hops and it's just it's a fun time so you were talking about Renee

a Hinden when we were disconnected. I come from that old school that actually watched the Patterson-Gimlin film in a movie theater. I was probably nine years old or so at the time. And as I got a little bit older, mid-to-late teens, I read every book I could get a hold of, the old guard, John Green, Renee Daughan, Lauren Coleman, Grover Krantz. I was in Washington State as a kid growing up, so Grover Krantz. actually was somebody I followed quite a bit. I did not get actively involved in anything I would call research or encounters until about 1981, somewhere in there where I did actually by myself.

I did an overnight going up into the Cascade Mountains hoping to run into some sign. And that was interesting. I got confused by how bizarre it was that an elusive mountain ape was showing up in odd places looking in bedroom windows. And I actually tried consciously to drop Sasquatch for years. But then in my later life, I started having incidents happened to me, and I had to pick it up again. Yeah. Okay. So there's a lot that was just said right there that I'm really interested about.

I would love to hear. So what happened? You did a solo in the Cascade Mountains. That was in Washington, I'm guessing? Yeah, the Washington State Cascades off of Highway 2. Yeah. And I, you know, this is the first time I tried to look for Sasquatch. And I don't know if you want to hear some of the story, but I find it comical.

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely, yeah. All right. So at the time, I'm 20, 22, somewhere in there. And I was already an experienced hiker and backpacker. So I actually did kind of a map-dousing thing. I just looked at top-old maps and figured out a place that, to me, looked like a good place to look for Sasquatch. It was a high mountain lake that had no trails going into it.

there were trails for the first part of this five-mile hike, maybe two and a half miles or so. I went in on those trails, and then I climbed up to a spur ridge, and I'd carefully plan that route, because ridge lines tend to be more free of blowdown, and this was the heavily timbered area. So I went up to the lake. Nothing unusual happened. I got up to the lake. It was getting kind of late in the day. I mainly just set up camp that night.

on this high mountain lake, and it started raining. So I went into my tent fairly early, and I was looking forward to maybe in the morning doing some fishing, looking around for sign, tracks, et cetera. And the rain was coming down hard. I was woken in the middle of the night by a long, drawn-out, rather high-pitched howling sound. It was at a distance, but it did wake me.

and I thought, well, this is interesting. But, of course, I'm good at sleeping and I went back to sleep. In the morning, I woke up and the rain had stopped. I opened my tent opening, and I look out at the mud in front of the tent opening, and there was a very distinct impression, deep impression in the mud in front of my tent, maybe three feet in front. And I thought, well, that's odd. I don't think I made that.

And it wasn't even really raining much when I got into the tent, but this looks like it was made when there was a whole lot of butter out. But I couldn't distinguish anything with the track, and I wasn't smart enough to really measure and see if it was bigger than my boot, et cetera. So I tried to shrug it off. But then something happened, which now we hear. about this all the time. But at that time, with the elusive mountain ape theory, it wasn't the kind of thing we heard about. I suddenly felt like I needed to leave. And it wasn't real frightening

or anything, but I just had this push, this impulse to leave. It was kind of like, okay, that was fun, but now it's time to go. And I didn't even think about it. All my plans to go. All my plans to go fishing on my plants to look for Sasquatch sign. Just, I forgot all about it. I packed up. I can't remember if I ate much breakfast, but I might have. But instead of taking my careful route down, which was a good route, it worked great. I just plunged right off the edge of the hillside there, which wasn't easy.

There was lots of blowdown. It was kind of a struggle. I even at one point twisted my knee a little bit. And I remember as I was wrapping my knee with the ace bandage, I heard more of what I'd been hearing some on the way down, which was like cracking sticks and the like. It wasn't real obnoxious, but when I would stop, something would snap a couple hundred feet behind me.

And I remember literally thinking, boy, there sure are clumsy deer and elk around here. That was by working theory that somehow I was scaring up deer and elk behind me and they were stepping on twigs and making these breaking branch sounds i headed i kept heading down with that same impulse to keep moving and move quickly and i got down to the creek at the bottom of the drainage and that feeling just disappeared it was like a light switch i felt so much better when i was out in the sun under out from under the trees in that creek bed. But another odd thing I did is I traveled in that creek bed downstream three-quarters

of a mile or so before I met up with the trail I had used to come in. But there was no further activity, no further oddness on that trip. Do you have any thoughts about what might have caused that impulse to leave and also just the impulse to just go through the woods, not even stick to a trail? Well, in hindsight, and this has taken, I took almost 40 years, frankly, in hindsight, I do suspect that feeling that impulse did not come from me. Nothing scary had happened to me at that point. I had found the howl in the night just rather interesting

and I was there specifically looking for Sasquatch. I found the impression in front of my tent, totally mystifying because I'm still thinking elusive mountain ape and why would something step right in front of my tent in the night if they were being so careful to avoid humans? I know that's getting into the paranormal, but there is definitely some things about this phenomenon,

on, which doesn't make sense from our standard way of looking at the world. So, yes, I do think that that impulse to go down, to abandon my original route up, to keep moving until I hit that creek came from outside of me somehow. It's extremely interesting. Have you studied that area you were in to see if there's been other documented sightings or encounters too. I haven't gone way out of my way, but I have heard of encounters in the area. So, yes, I haven't really researched it. I'm a terrible researcher. I'm more like an experience. I just like to go out and do stuff. Okay. And I love listening to the stories, too. I listen to podcasts myself. But I haven't gone on

BFRO to check specifically in that area. I would be surprised if it wasn't. It's, It's the Washington State Cascades. It's the west side. It's temperate forest. It's a great location. Yeah. I mean, it's the Washington Cascades are absolutely amazing when it comes to, you know, encounters.

You have some really, really interesting things happen there. But you also had mentioned that you tried to get away from the topic eventually. And is it skipping too far? ahead to talk about that or is now a good time to talk about that? Oh, this would be a great time. Okay. Because it wasn't that much longer. I was really into it.

You know, I was going through newspapers. I was clipping articles. I had a file called Saskuts. I was fascinated with it, but I had this elusive mountainate thing stuck in my head because of the sources I looked at. And it came to a head when I came across one article about how somebody had found Sasquatch tracks under their bedroom window on the outskirts of Bellevue, Washington. This is, it's like Microsoft country. It's a place I worked out of Bellevue for a while.

And I thought to myself, this makes no sense. What are they doing looking at bedroom windows? does on the outskirts of Bellevue. And it made so little sense to me that I thought, I've been on as far as I can. This is nothing that anybody's going to pin down. It's like chasing the ghost. And I didn't avoid it. You know, friends would still send me clippings and I'd read them and I'd read articles

when I'd find them. But I just decided that I myself was not going to get anywhere looking at this. and I focused on other things like getting married and having a family. And I moved on for a long time. And then something, it sounds like it started to bring you back, which is extremely interesting to me. I would love to hear about that. All right.

This is more of the paranormal. So this was approximately, I believe it was the spring of 2012. I at this point was living in interior Alaska in a very rural area. I was living in a one-room cabin. I had only been up there a few months. There were a couple odd things happening around the cabin.

For instance, there was a nearby dog team. I don't know if you know about dog teams, but in Alaska, private individuals will have 10, 12, 15 dogs. And for recreation or for hauling materials, they will tie up these dogs to a sled and on winter snow, and they will pull that sled and the driver. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts by temporarily delaying ovulation. Plan B is the number one OBGYN recommended brand and the only one that you can find at all major retailers in all 50 U.S. states. There's no minimum age requirement and you don't

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when an owl was just going off, just repeatedly calling over and over again, which that may have been an owl. I don't know. But what really did it for me is odd, and I can't explain this, but it was a trigger for me. I had a dream in which

somebody was showing me stealthily looking down into a canyon the mouth of a cave and in front of that cave were lined up I know this is ridiculous were lined up 10 pairs of Sasquatch and he explained to me that these were mated pairs of Sasquatch and that they made for life and I said in the dream if what you're telling me is true then everything we thought we knew about Sasquatch was wrong. And I woke up. And what really stuck with me is what I said in the dream, everything must be wrong. And I started looking into it again.

And in the meantime, so much information had been popping up on the internet and podcasts, etc., that I had a whole lot to think about, re-evaluate the elusive mountain ape theory. So that was, that is what brought me back to Sasquatch. Plus, I had some experiences in Alaska, not a lot, but I had a few. Wow. So that's, that's pretty cool. Literally, it was, it was mainly that dream.

And you're like, yeah, okay. Time to, tend to get back into it, figure out, what's going on here. That's pretty awesome. Did you then after that start going out and looking yourself or in groups after you had that dream? I've pretty much mostly done things solo. But yes, after I had the dream, I started educating myself as much as I could. I started checking out and following podcasts. But when I had the opportunity in the woods, I was always looking. And I ended up working for the National Park Service,

and I was stationed in a remote part of the park, where I would live up to eight days at a time. And I would look there, and I also eventually built my own off-road cabin. And I'm also, I'm a cross-country skier, a fat-tire biker. I like to hike as well. And I would say in Alaska, I'm fairly confident I came across tracks, scat, vocals, stick structures. I never had a siding, but I encountered a lot of interesting things that further convinced me. There was something, there was a phenomenon at the heart of all this.

Was it pretty normal to hear other people talking about Sasquatch encounters up in Alaska, or is that a pretty rare thing? It was and is fairly rare. That's not to say I didn't encounter it. I have a friend, and he's a good friend, who once he understood that I was a believer, he told me about a daytime siting he had on the Denali National Park Road

while walking along the road with a friend who also saw it. It was moving quadrupedally, which is interesting, along one of the braided river bars. But they had it in view for quite some time, and they had seen many bears, wolves, caravou bus, and they knew it was none of those.

And while they were talking, looking at this, they said to each other, that's a Sasquatch. And there was no doubt in their mind. that they saw a Sasquatch. As far as other people, I know lots of people that are interested, and I've also seen some trace evidence as myself,

but not so many encounters, although I did end up, I was one of the founding organizers of the Boreal Bigfoot Expo up in Fairbanks, Alaska. We put that on two years in a row, and as far as I know, it's the furthest north, Bigfoot Expo that's happened in the world. And I certainly had opportunity to run into other people that had encounters and experiences in Alaska,

including Fred Ruhl, which I think is one of the more fascinating people with accounts to listen to. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I would agree 100% that, you know, Fred's a great guy. He's been on the show. and his channel sub-arctic Alaskan Sasquatch, I believe is the name. Or it's either Alaska Sasquatch. It'll come up either way.

It's really good. So everyone checked that out. It is. Fantastic. Do you feel that your encounter that happened in the Washington Cascades has been the closest you've been able to experience something? or do you think there's been a situation that has maybe had more intense things happen or perhaps even a sighting? I certainly have had more intense things, several of those.

And I also had one, I believe it was a siding in Illinois of all places. But I did up in Alaska before I left Alaska. I think I was being kept tabs on, and there was one case where I had, in a close distance, what I call a tongue plaque, as I started my hike out from my cabin, and I had a dog with me on leash, our heads both swiveled to the exact same point in the woods. We both heard it. We both reacted to it. We both were very queued into it. I hiked the 2.6 miles out, and as I stepped out onto the highway approaching my vehicle, another tongue clack behind me, I think actually I was probably being kept tabs on often when I was going back and forth through those woods. So that was interesting just to have that realization of, huh, something seems to be following me around.

Yeah, it almost sounds like they were marking when you were leaving the cabin, and then, maybe even when you're leaving the woods or like now he's he's about to leave in his car and stuff like that really makes a wonder yeah that was my impression keeping tabs on me Illinois is a area that comes up actually pretty pretty often on the show a lot of people I think maybe maybe not realize how active it is in that state I mean central and southern. And so I'm curious, what, are you able to share what part of the state that interaction took place in? Yes, and it's ridiculous. And because it's ridiculous, I didn't even identify this as a Sasquatch siding for some time. And then finally, I started hearing about encounters reasonably near where I had it. And I thought, oh, man, that's what that was.

Yeah, I'd be happy to share it. It was, not to be confused with the other Woodstock, but it was Woodstock, Illinois, or about two miles from that. And that's where Groundhog Day, the exterior shots for the movie Groundhog Day were filmed. But this wasn't in the town. This was outside of town.

It was woodlots and cornfields is where this happened. And keep in mind, And this is 40 miles from downtown Chicago. So I'm not thinking Sasquatch. And I still hadn't come back around to Sasquatch. This was, I think, about 2006. I was on a spiritual retreat of all things. And it was at an old, some sort of Catholic center.

It had a church in this giant building, and it had lots of housing for people to come on retreats. And we'd be doing hip and groovy stuff during the day. and we'd get occasional breaks. And me being an outdoor lover, I would head for the woods when I would have a break and just do some walking in the woods, along with a lot of other people.

When I say a lot, you know, maybe there'd be a half dozen, eight, ten people walking around in the woods. It was on a 40-acre grounds, which had both a marshy area and a small pond. I had noticed earlier that there was an odd trail going into the woods whose opening was coming off the mode area,

but it was not visible from the building. And I thought, well, that's interesting that there would be a trail there. I wonder why there's a trail. And I thought, well, I need to go check it out. And this was quite a trail. It was like four feet wide and trampled. But I'm not looking for tracks.

I'm not in that mindset. And I'm not wondering why there's a trail where you wouldn't really expect the people of their treats to go. So anyhow, I head out, I go on this trail. It's nice, it's up the hillside away from the regular trail that most of the people would take. And I'm thinking hip and groovy thoughts. I'm definitely, I'm not a part of the environment around me. I'm not really looking around.

I get to the point where I'm up above the main trail, but from a different direction than I'd ever walk before. And I may be 150 feet, something like that above, under dense, deciduous canopy. It's a little bit dim under there, but it's daytime. You can still see. And I'm not really thinking about it, but I noticed that there's another form walking down below me, very close to the main trail. and this form was only about five feet, six inches tall. It was not big.

I'm not paying attention, but I did notice that it was oddly fuzzy around the edges. And there was no transition like between shirt and pants, cuffs and hands, et cetera. It just seemed to be this black fuzzy form. And I'm still not really paying attention, but I noticed. but I notice the form seems to be spying on the people that I can hear coming. You know, people are coming down the usual trail towards this form, and I can see its headlight going back and forth as it's trying to look around things, and it's carefully high-stepping over brush and branches and the like.

And then it goes behind, from my point of view, behind the big tree, and I wait for it to come out from behind the tree, and it never comes out from behind the tree. And it wasn't until that happened that I stopped and thought, wait a second, what the heck was that? And I ended up thinking that it was some sort of spiritual manifestation because I'm on a spiritual retreat. So I went that route for years until I started hearing that Illinois actually

has reports. And then I thought, oh, man, what was it that I really saw? So that was my sighting. That's incredible. Wow. Did other people report similar things happening to them during the same retreat? Or do you think it was just yourself? You know, I told a couple people about what I had seen.

And my best theory was that it was the guru in some sort of weird out-of-body form checking up on us. because he implied he would do such things. But I don't see any reason why he'd take a black fuzzy form if he wanted to be checking up on us. Nobody I talked to reported anything like that. But remember, it took years until I re-evaluated that event and began to think, oh, my goodness. So I wasn't like asking around Haiti,

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but maybe everything happens for a reases. Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to heighten taste? Mmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a Reesis. The whole sightings around spiritual retreats thing is really interesting. That's a pattern you can definitely notice if you start to dig.

I mean, not to rabbit trail too much, but like, I don't know if you've heard of the Monroe Institute, where it's like they teach remote viewing. I believe that's in the southeast part of the United States. but um i i am i am aware of the nrow institute i think it's actually a west virginia okay perfect yes i'm i'm very aware of what they are and what they do i never heard of sightings around there though yeah and you know this is where a little bit outside of of my knowledge zone but from people i've talked to you know and and they're not sure if it's actual physical sightings or it's something that they're actually you know seeing but there are people at that

that institute that have multiple instances where they see something that looks like Sasquatch when they attend that institute. Also is a pretty active area in southeast Iowa that's known for spiritual retreats, but it's also known for a high amount of Bigfoot sightings over the years too. It kind of makes you wonder if there's a connection between that or maybe people that attend things like that or just more aware of what's going on. I don't know. I don't know either, but it is true that the spiritual life is very important to me. And I do of the people I know, people that are so inclined, seem to have more at least paranormal.

things happen to them in the regular population. So after you had that happen in Woodstock, Illinois, how did that affect things from there on out? Well, remember, I still wasn't thinking Sasquatch until I had that dream later in Alaska in about 2012. So once I had that aha moment in 2012, I re-evaluated that incident in my life. And one thing that's very interesting is whatever I saw was fascinated with the people. It was literally spying on the people. You know, it's typical Sasquatch behavior, as we know it. nowadays. But there definitely seems to be some sort of correlation or some sort of interaction

between some Sasquatch and some humans. They seem to be very interested in us. And that's fascinating. You would think they'd want nothing to do with us. but but yeah as you said you hear so many accounts where you know i look up there's one staring at me through my bedroom window or the trailer window it's just it's over and over and over again is it's very very weird we are definitely uh some form of entertainment and sometimes they're even watching tv with the person which is it's even funnier I've heard a couple of those stories too. Yeah.

That's hilarious. You have, in your info that you had passed on to me before this interview, you've also had some things occur in Western Massachusetts as well? Yes. I live on a small farm. We've only got about nine acres of cleared land, but it's on bigger acreage. of about 300 acres of deep woodland, which is surrounded by woodland. I'm near some wildlife management areas.

I have a trail. It's a public trail on Nature Conservancy land. I can walk to from where I live. It is in many ways ideal habitat. We've got turkeys and deer, a few moose, the other smaller creatures you would expect. expect are here. But we also have a farm, and we have feed bags sitting around.

We've got farm animals. We've got the misses here. I think she's a magnet, personally. I'm not sure she wants to hear that, but she spends a lot of time outdoors and singing to herself, talking to herself. She likes to explore the woods. She goes out into the woods for hours. I am essentially a farmhand, which is new for me.

I do carpentry, but I'm also taking gear of the animals here. We've got cows and chickens. And one of the things I do is I do the nighttime check of all the animals. And, boy, sometimes in the summer when I'm doing that check, I do not feel alone. I feel like the air is filled with electricity. I feel the eyes on me. I usually talk out loud, just along the lines of,

I'm just checking the animals. Don't meet any trouble. So that's been interesting. I recall here on the farm, several odd things. When I first came here, I came down from Alaska. I was trying to decide if I really

wanted to work here and believe it or not one of the things I wanted to find was Sasquatch sign because I was so into it already and I did a little exploration and wouldn't you know what I found what looks like an old lean-to structure on this land and that helped decide me to to come down here I've also found three feedbags in the woods way away from where we keep the feed bags they were empty one of them only had a tiny little hole in it but it had no feed inside of it I think that wouldn't have been carried full into the woods but then left there and crudris got into it but it's very hard to explain how those feedbacks got to where I found

them that happens to be across a small river from an elementary school the elementary school is also surrounded by woods and you can hear the kids even where I'm living playing at recess. I also found in that same spot very close to the elementary school at children's toy. This is out in the woods. So I can't explain how that, it was a little soft, squeezy ball thing. I can't explain how that ended up out in the woods near the empty feedbags, but I have my suspicions. I also mentioned the trail nearby. It goes up to a lookout tower. It is only, I think it's 1.2 miles one way, the trail. But I started noticing last summer that twigs along the way had been broken.

And I noticed because I would notice the wilted leaves hanging off these broken twigs along the trail. And I started paying attention to it and I was seeing more and more of them. And by the way, Jeremiah, I was also finding small trees. broken over the trail, particularly after the ATVs that weren't supposed to be using the trail, had used the trail. You would find small trees broken over the trail and sometimes bigger ones. So that's been interesting. The twig breaks, I ended up counting 130 of them that followed this classic just a break. like if you took a pencil in one hand and tried to break it,

that's kind of how these twigs looked. But this is on living mostly beech trees. And I actually have this kind of mind that likes to analyze things. I started measuring how high off the ground they were, how thick the brakes are, what side of the trail they were on. And it occurred to me 130 twid breaks. That's enough to crunch numbers. and I did in the end.

I ended up coming up with average height above ground, average diameter, what side of the trail, et cetera, and I graph some things. And I thought I found a signal for two different heights of individuals. Some of these twig brakes were pretty low, but some were very high. Some were, many of them were over seven feet off the ground. and that seemed a bit high for just a casual hiker. So I ended up, I actually wrote a paper on it, and I sent you a copy of that paper,

and feel free to use any screenshots out of there, but I promised the Relic Hominoid Inquiry magazine and Dr. Jeff Meldrum, that they have first write a publication for the larger paper. along that trail or near that trail I've also found some larger trees broken there's also a pinned arch over that trail which nobody notices I've never had anybody say hey I noticed that too I have to point it out to them but it's a maple tree that has been bent over the trail and it's living top pinned

with another I think it's a deadfall tree, but I cannot explain how that happened naturally because it is still a living tree. The tree is still growing. And the arch is about 12 feet tall over the trail, perfectly going over the trail. I like to think of it as, you're welcome to hike on this trail. This trail is where the humans are supposed to go. And I normally stick to the trail, but I sometimes have left it. I also, if I can bore you with a little bit more about this trail, Jeremiah, I started, and I know this is controversial, but I started a little gifting station up at the very top at the end of this trail at the base of the tower.

What I found up there is somebody had cut a fallen tree, just cut it up and do like two foot sections or even a couple. shorter rounds and it made a rough pile. I took one of the shorter rounds and I put it on top of this pile very precariously, you know, balanced on top of a rounded log section. And then I found a flat rock like a almost dinner plate size. I stuck it on top of this log round. And then a friend of mine that came up with me one of these times also found a rock on the ground and set it on top of the dinner plate rock. And I would leave on this apples, occasionally chocolate, maybe like peanuts, raisins, that kind of thing. I ended up hiking this trail maybe 20 times last summer because I was doing the research at the same time. And I would leave things up there. And then on

the way down, I play the harmonica a little bit, which I'm sure just annoyed everybody. So I check that gifting station as late as November and I was generally finding the apples gone. Occasionally I find a chewed on apple just laying on the ground but usually the apples were gone entirely. By chewed on I mean it looked like a squirrel. Had chewed on it or something of that nature. But usually the apples would just be gone. There'd be no sign of them, no core, no nothing. So eventually the snow's melted enough. I went up there again. I think it was early February or late January. We're not a high snow area, but we do get some snow. And I was a little surprised to find that a tree, I think it was about six inches thick where it was broken, which was about 10 feet off the ground.

A tree had been a living tree had been broken 30 feet away from my gifting station. Now, it's the top of a ridge, but it was very well protected from the westerly winds by conifer trees, but this was a deciduous tree. It was broken and it was still connected at that break 10 feet off the ground, but it was laying perfectly centered over the top of. of my gifting station. This precarious gifting station of a log round on top of log rounds and the flat rock on top, et cetera,

was laying right over the top. I had pictures from above and it's like mathematically exactly going through the center of that dinner plate rock. It felt like a message to me. I cannot imagine how a blowdown tree would have slammed into that gifting station and left everything standing, but it's just perfectly balanced on top of my gifting station. I know that's hard to believe. But this is what I have within sight of where I'm sitting now, you know, like half a mile away. But I see the ridge line.

That is so cool. It's one of those things where if you're new to the subject and you hear something at that, you're going to be like, oh, wow. But if you really dig into it, like you are, I mean, you see these certain areas. They'll have weird patterns and, you know, things left in a certain pattern at gifting stations. And just, it just really makes you think, like, okay, what is going on here? There's some weird intelligence in play here, I think. And you know what? I think the message is, Jeremiah?

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Or 15 seconds to eat arreases? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a recesses. I think it's stop feeding the kids. After thinking about it, that's my conclusion. That's funny. That I'm giving the kids stuff and they don't like it. What's with this human giving food to our kids?

I think that's what it is. That's awesome. So it makes me reevaluate what I should be doing out in the woods. you you brought up an interesting point earlier too and i noticed this when i was reading through the the copy of your paper that you had sent over um because i realized that i'm what was the term the term is a pin i'm i'm blanking on the term you use oh the pinned arch pinned arch yeah yeah yeah so when i would was in Oak Ridge, Oregon, this last July, we were up in a research area, which is way out in the woods.

And I was walking in the woods around this meadow and actually found, it was wild, dude, I might have pictures I can share with you. But it was like a group of, I want to say maybe five to six saplings that were alive. And they had all been bent over in such a way to almost make, like, a shelter you could be under. But they were kept down by these, like, really heavy logs that had almost been placed on the other edge of the art. Right. And I was like, whoa, what is this? And I just did not make sense. So it's cool to hear that, you know, someone else has seen something similar to that as well.

Oh, yeah. Those are so hard to explain away as windfall. Windfall does not catch the top of the tree and end up on the ground 10 feet away, like maybe in your instance, that it just doesn't make sense. You had to have something pulling the branches down or the saplings down and using the other arm to pin them. It's inexplicable, but it doesn't really make sense that a human wants the trouble to do that. Do you find that in this area in western Massachusetts, I always find it interesting, you know, if I'm talking to people and they're like, yeah, my neighbors are having similar, having things happen that are weird too. Have you ever talked to your neighbors in this area to see if they've been experiencing weird things as well or notice things out of the ordinary? Oh, yes. Yeah, I'm at the base of a wooded hillside.

They call them mountains here, to be their hills. Near the top of the hill, I've got a friend. She is in a large household. There's four adults there, five adults, four kids, and they're having odd stuff gone. my friend herself, she looked out through a window to see an upright, moving reddish form

move very rapidly across the yard. You know, she was a long ways from a window. She didn't have much time. She didn't have really an arc, a big arc of visibility. She just something went by the window very quickly. But she also reports that a neighbor told her he had a daylight siding and he said to her,

I cannot unsee what I saw. And that was a Sasquatch. She's also had weird paranormal things happen. Like in one case, she was keeping quail. The quail were in a latched cage. They came home to find of the four quail, three of the quail were now. a pile of neatly suck-clean bones laying in a neat pile on the ground by the cages, and the cage doors were still latched.

So that one was bizarre. It's hard to explain that a predator pulling that off. Unless the predator could unlatch, take him out, and latch it back, right? Yep. Yep. And then take the time to eat them right there, have a little snack right there. Yeah. They're an interesting family.

The two women actually feel they're getting some not really mind-speak, but impressions, telepathic impressions from things in the woods. So they're certainly quite confident they've got neighbors in the woods. That's incredible. And these are neighbors. It sounds like they're not really into the Bigfoot subject, but they're just aware of, I mean, they've had things they've seen. You know, I met this woman.

She was a waitress at the local coffee shop or a little restaurant. And I tend to when I go out, I wear like, you know, a Sasquatch hat or Sasquatch something so people can tell what I'm into because I get a lot more reports that way. Just casual, but, you know, I love talking about it. So I wear my heart on my sleeve, so to speak. And I can't, I can't, when she saw that, she was very interested and she said, you've got to talk to my mom because she's really interested in Sasquatch. I think they had a minor interest before they ran into me, and then we kind of beg each other on,

and I told them about the things I've been finding, and we've gone out on that trail, I mentioned, with her whole family, four kids, and her husband taking a look at stuff. So it's just my little community here. That's really cool. It's always nice when you can, find people like that where you can at least have a conversation and it's not just like, oh, yeah, did you find Bigfoot yet?

You know, it's whatever, but you get it. Yeah, I get plenty of that too. I've got a couple more other things right from the farm here. Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to make, I need to make, okay, I got the note down. Go ahead. Okay. Yeah, sorry if I'm interrupting.

So we hear a lot about interest in children. There was one night here last summer where the client's 10-year-old, she might be 11-year-old daughter at that point, was here, and she wanted to do a little bonfire. And she actually, we have a large parking area here between the two homes. I live in one home. They live in the large converted barn. So I got invited out and she did this little bonfire just right in the middle of the gravel parking area.

And I had already been having the feeling like every time I go out, something's watching me. So I'm aware when I'm outside at night in particular. So we're having this little bonfire and it's three adults and this 11-year-old girl. and we're talking and we're chatting, we're just squatted down, sitting around this bonfire on the gravel. And I could tell me and the husband client, we're hearing some sounds that sound like rocks being tapped together

from behind a rock wall and drop off behind us to about 150 feet away. and that happened, I don't know, a half a dozen times during that little bonfire. And both of us would turn around and we'd be looking over our shoulders and we couldn't figure out what was making the noise. It was classic rock clacking, but it was just very quiet, but just loud enough to get our attention and get us to turn around and look. So that was interesting to me. we have an electric wire fence just a single strand around our cow pasture where we have six cows the cows almost never seem nervous except there was one time when I was wearing my brown duck

it was anyhow brown duck hooded jacket and I had the hood up because it was windy or something and I also had brown duck overalls on so I'm looking all brown I come around on the corn patch up on these cows kind of a little bit suddenly. And they all ran. And I thought that was odd. You know, I work around these cows all the time. But then I thought about having the hood up and how maybe I looked like something else. I'm not sure, but that was just odd.

But the really odd thing I found is I walked the line periodically. and it seems like there's branches thrown across this electric line more than there should be just from tree fall. So I walk it fairly often. And one of these times when I was walking it, not only did I find large branches over the top of the line, but I found one section where the line was lifted up and put up in the branches of a sapling about five feet off the ground. It was up in the air. and I just don't see how that would have happened naturally. And it also happened to be where there was through the leaf litter and the like.

There seemed to be a path that was going right through where this was lifted up. Another time right before a big event when we had lots of people, I saw a single small barefoot track. in the dust where people were going between this event and the houses. And I chalked it up up to one of the kids going barefoot. And then I realized later, there was only like two kids that size here. And I never saw them with their shoes off. And I'm just kicking myself that I didn't stop and look at that track.

I think what was happening was there was a smaller one around here last summer. And somebody got tired of their kids. kid getting zapped and lifted up the line there so it could move back and forth without running into that electric wire. The other thing that happened, Jeremiah, was to me, the most unsettling of all. We have fruit trees here. Now, you can tell where this is going immediately. Amongst those fruit trees, we had a plum and a couple peaches, and the owners here were very excited. about in particular the plum tree and the peaches. The plum tree, I am embarrassed to admit,

is less than 20 feet from the door I use over and over again of where I'm living. One morning, I leave the homes. All these fruits were just ripening. I had actually picked a lot of peaches for myself. The owners hadn't gotten to it yet. I noticed the fruit trees are empty of fruit. We're talking fruit up to 12 feet high off the ground. Not only were the trees empty of fruit,

but some of them had ripened and fallen to the ground. The half rotten fruit on the ground was gone. It was like somebody had done like a crime scene. They had cleaned up everything. And we're talking, I don't know how. How many pounds of fruit were talking? It could have been 100 pounds off of each of the peach trees, less on the plum tree,

maybe 25 pounds. But it was all just gone. There weren't like half-eaten fruits. The trees weren't ripped apart from like what a bear would have done. Branches were not broken. There weren't claw marks on the trunks. The trees were just fine. They were just denuded of fruit.

But here's another odd thing, except one peach tree, I make my rounds and I would take a half-rotten peach or two off the tree and throw them in with the chickens. And I had one particular part of this peach tree where I would do this over and over again. Somebody had, well, there was a wedge of peaches left where I was taking peaches to feed the chickens on that one. tree. But the rest of the tree, like 280 degrees of that tree, if you take a lion up the trunk, was completely stripped. But this little wedge had been left with some peaches in it for me to keep feet of the chickens. Yeah, that's weird. That's like something was watching the whole time. Absolutely. Something. Yeah, and waiting for the fruit and decided now tonight. but also aware of what you were doing and like oh let's be nice let's let's leave the the human a little bit for his thing too

man it seemed like yeah the uh but don't get kids right right exactly that also the the weird thing about all this is how and i'm guessing this is a case let me know if i'm wrong but how you just randomly chose this property to live in that ended up being like a pretty active area in western Massachusetts.

That is, that's pretty cool. It's interesting. The whole story of how I got here is odd too, but it's getting to be a little obscure for a podcast. But yes,

it's interesting. And it was one of my goals was to get to a place with activity. And it worked. I'd say you got it. Do you have any future goals with interaction for this property that you're at right now? So my approach is to consider that I'm dealing with an uncontacted tribe that generally does not want to be contacted.

and I'm sure they have good reason for that. One of my goals is to be as unabnoxious as I can be and maybe be a little approachable. I get the impression that the kids are a little more likely to interact with humans. I think a lot of what we hear about is actually just kids. And I'm saying that, you know, a seven-foot male is generally a kid. You know, it may be the equivalent of a 12, 13-year-old, but it's a kid and they screw up.

Or sometimes they're just extra curious. I think generally the adults don't want anything to do with us. they probably a lot of them have been shot at and they're offended by how we deal with them when we do see them so a lot of what I'm doing is preparing myself psychologically for not freaking out if I do have a siding here

and being open to that siding and even sometimes just like trying to let the woods know hey I'm not here to cause any trouble. If you want to be seen, I'd love to see you. I won't take pictures and I don't. I take pictures of the stuff I find, but I probably wouldn't take a picture even if I thought of it, and I probably wouldn't think of it if I saw Sasquatch. I don't think I'd do it. I think it's an invasion of privacy and it should just wait for permission.

Sure. Yeah. So I guess that's part of my goal. I think I will follow up that. by by tracking what I find this summer as well. If I start finding enough quantifiable material, I'll keep track of it. It frustrates me no end that I haven't found any good tracks here. So I'm going to keep looking for tracks and SCAT. And I look for hair or two when I think I'm in a spot where hair maybe should be

showing up. So I'll look for trace evidence. The tracks would be great. The tracks I found in Alaska were partially melted out. I could only suspect they were Sasquatch by the stride and the shape. But I would love to find a track I couldn't deny. That'd be good. Norm, you got some really exciting things going on there. I think you are definitely going towards this the right way with how you want to prepare for sighting. I think a lot of people

don't think about that, that I'm just going to go out and have something happen. No, I kind of need to be prepared for this. And I think that's very admirable what you're doing because I haven't had one yet myself either, but it is saying where you definitely need to be prepared

for it. So it would be interesting to see, you know, what comes next from this in the future. But, you know, it has just been a real fun chatting with you today. And we will definitely have to keep in touch to see if things continue to happen here in the future. Yeah, I'll let you know if more does occur to me. I'll tip you off. One thing, if you want to do, Jeremiah, I sent you a link to a presentation about stick structures. My son and I have found in Colorado.

Okay. Yep. Not so far from that Pikes Peak area that you've got a podcast on the 14th, two days ago that I got to listen to you. That sounds fascinating. But if you want, you can include a link to that. It's just on Google Drive. Anybody who wants to can look at that presentation.

But we found amazing structures out there that just boggled my mind in this one area. And I know of small town monsters, they had a, crew out there only about five miles away and they also found some interesting structures in the woods. So. Well, that's fantastic. That would be. Yeah.

Yeah, feel free. Thank you for sharing that with my listeners. I know a lot of people will definitely, I mean, it's fascinating. I've looked through that presentation myself and I was like, there's some wild stuff in here. So definitely check that out. Guys, it will be in the show notes or description. depending how you are listening to this. But thank you, Norm, for coming on this show.

I do have one more question for you, but thank you so much for coming on today. Oh, you're welcome. My pleasure. It's been a great talk. Thank you so much for tuning into this episode of Bigfoot Society. Norman's experiences leave us with more questions than answers,

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