Bigfoot Society - Unveiling the Mystery of Jan Klement's 'The Creature': An Exclusive Interview with Horror Filmmaker Ryan Cavalline, Director of the Mountain

Episode Date: February 21, 2023

Ryan Cavalline is a multifaceted horror filmmaker, renowned for his exceptional skills as a writer, producer, actor, and director. However, his Mountain Devil trilogy has earned him an illustrious reputation in the Bigfoot community. In this exclusive interview, we delve deep into the world of Bigfoot, discussing Ryan's three highly acclaimed Bigfoot films and shedding light on some intriguing revelations about Pennsylvania Bigfoot. Is Jan Klement a real person? Did Ryan Cavalline discover a 1970s film reel featuring an actual Bigfoot? Tune in to find out and draw your own conclusions.----------https://legendhuntersfilms.com/Hey all - I am making a private Facebook group “Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters”. Feel free to apply to join and share the link with those that have had encounters in other groups. Many will apply but not all will be let in. Follow the directions! 🙂 https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_link---------------Join the only Facebook group for Van Meter Visitor fans - “Van Meter Visitor Believers” - See you there!https://www.facebook.com/groups/vanmetervisitorbelievers/?ref=shareFOR MORE INFO ON THE VAN METER VISITOR FESTIVAL:https://www.facebook.com/vanmetervisitorfestival/_______Join us over on Patreon! Get access to extra audio content, exclusive merch like a membership card and stickers, watch me interview guests weekly live on video, a Patron-only Discord and more.https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyPick up a Bigfoot Society shirt to rep the podcast!https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietyTune in for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QFor full links go to:www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com

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Thanks for coming back for another episode. We've got a new friend here. Cavalini from Legend Hunter's films. How's it going on today, Ryan? I'm terrific. Thank you for having me on. I know we've been chatting for a while to be on. I was like, I got to be on.

I think I bugged you for like month. Dude, you got to have me on, man. He was, he was very persuasive. And I'll tell you, listeners, you can try that. And just bugging me won't. Like, that's not a you'll get on thing. So no, not. Not everyone start bugging me, but like, I was like, okay.

And I, yeah. Whoa. Then I checked out. Movie up to less, right? Oh, boy. I checked out the movies because you sent me some copies to review of each of the Mountain Devil films. And I was like, oh, my goodness, I have so many questions. These are incredible.

So definitely it had to have Ryan on. And a lot of people that I respect in the community were starting to actually put your name. When I would ask for people to interview, it was really weird. It was like a synchronicity type thing. A lot of people would start saying your name. So if you were paying off people to answer that, you know, you did a good job. But I have no money. It was synchrony.

But Ryan, what are some other things that you would. want listeners to know about yourself to kind of put the foundation down before we start chatting. I've been a filmmaker for over 20 years. I've got, I'm dabbled in horror movies, the comedies. I've produced, directed, written at it. I kind of have my own little studio here, and I've been doing it for years. And then about 2010, I thought about getting into documentaries more. And that's what led me into the Bigfoot world and the whole Bigfoot community.

and to the day, I'm now a big, big footer. I love it. It's, it's, what's the right word? It's a different world than the regular filmmaking I do, but I really enjoy it, you know, I enjoy the people. I enjoy the whole quest to see, you know, is Bigfoot real or not, you know? It is a quest. It really is.

It's a road that you can go down for sure. So that's interesting, Ryan. And you started, what drew you into the community was making the films. Was there an aspect where, you know, maybe you saw a certain Bigfoot film that set things off for you? Or maybe there was, you know, as a little kid, you used to watch Bigfoot stuff or anything like that? It was funny. I had shot a lot of horror movies and I was just kind of getting tired of it and just needed to break. And another friend of mine is like, you, you.

should try a monster movie. And I'm like, ah, I don't know. And I thought one day, it was about 2010, I'm like, Bigfoot,

no one does much about Bigfoot. I always thought that was a West Coast thing. I never thought it was an East Coast thing. And so I did some Googling and found out that Pennsylvania has this whole bigfoot community here. And I was like, get out of here. My own backyard,

there's big footing going on. And there's these groups. And so I reached out to a lot of them. And one group came back to me. His name was Denny Kalees and his wife. And one day he's like, you got Bigfoot in your backyard. I said, what? Here there were all these cases that were near my area.

I never knew a thing about it. So one snowy day, he drove up in his Bronco and he took me out where they had sightings and reports, which were like within an hour distance of my house. And I'm like, then I got hooked, you know. I'm like, get out of here. Like, people are seeing Bigfoot, like, not far from where I was living. So we became really good friends and he would take me out every time they had a report. And I just started filming him.

And then he introduced me to more big footers in the area and the groups. And it's very large. It was like it was like a clubhouse. And I was the outsider, you know, and I was starting to learn people. And I would hang out and go on their night. investigations and and at one point I just kind of shelved it. I'm like,

I don't know what this is. I'm filming you guys out doing big footing. So the more I filmed, I'm like, you know, this movie's really about them. Like no one knows that had a big picture of the Bigfoot community

and I thought this is what the first film kind of is. You know, them looking for tracks, getting sounds, and wood knockings and the whole sherry of things. And then I'd gone with them for about two years, just out film. Excuse me. So I would just follow them and just go out for a good two years.

And then this case came along that was not far from my house, which was the Frank Peterson story, which Frank Peterson really isn't his name. We had to change everything. But it was just a very in-depth story that I'm like, this would work great with what we were doing. Like, here's Bigfooting 101. This is about Bigfooting in the communities and what they do, but here on the side,

we had a story to tell. And I thought that was great because, you know, even with a documentary, you have to have a story there. What's the solid piece to it, you know? So I just kind of combined the two, but, yeah, for two years, I was eat, sleeping and breathing Bigfooting. It was out like every weekend, putting trail cams up. Like, I became indulged in it to a very high degree.

And this day I'm still into it, but not like back then, like in 2010 to 13. I was like engulfed with Big Footing. And that was my first documentary away from the horror movies. And like, even when I was done shooting it, I'm like, this is a great. No one has seen what big footing is, like these groups. No one had really seen all this. So it was like it was filmmaking, but it was in a different world of filmmaking. That's the best way you can describe it.

It wasn't what I was used to. And it took me on a new journey in life. That is really cool. That's, you know, one of the first things I noticed when I started watching, I want to say, well, right off the bat, you start to notice. it's like oh he's got Stan Gordon in this this is pretty cool and then uh yeah you've got you've got some you know yeah Eric Altman in there and I was like oh this is rocking dude I'm loving like it's really cool it's not just a story like you've got some some solid uh interviews and oh man I love Stan Gordon Gordon stuff is so good yeah I love Stanley such a good guy to this day we're good

friends. He'll send me reports that are up my way. But yeah, to the day, it was hard to get him in the first film. He was really skeptical because he's like, well, the dude makes horror movies. I don't want to be associated to that. And me and Eric Hallman had become good friends. And he's like, no, Ryan's legitimately, just wants to make a documentary. Just can you do it? So Stan, Stan did do it. And I think he got more comfortable with me over the next part two and three. But yeah, like, uh, I, I got to know all those guys and get to the day. We're all still good friends.

It was just at that time that they weren't real sure about me because of the background of all the horror movies. They were like, sure. Is he going to make a horror bigfoot movie and make our reputation look bad really? And that was never my intent ever, you know. And I would say, you know, from watching the films of myself, it's like you were successful in portraying, uh,

Pennsylvania big footing and really Bigfoot history in that area in an awesome way. And we'll get. Thanks. I don't want to skip ahead to the second film quite yet. But one thing I'm curious about is why name the films Mountain Devil? That was based on what the Indians used to call Bigfoot in the area, was the Mountain Devil. Okay. And of course I got the third degree for that for a while.

Like, you have Bigfoot in the title. You have Bigfoot in the title. I'm like, why do you need to have Bigfoot in the title? Like, Mountain Devil is a little bit more intriguing than there's a dozen films named Bigfoot. No, let's just do something different. Let's be a little creative here. I was curious if it had anything to do with like the ape cany story. If you've heard of that.

Yeah, I've heard a story. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, it was more based on what the Indians in the area had called Bigfoot was the Mountain Devil. Cool. That's awesome. I thought that was just more intriguing than just saying Bigfoot.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it makes it a little edgy too. A little edgy still. Who don't know the Bigfoot lore, you know. Yeah. So Mountain Devil, let's start with the first one. Mm-hmm.

The search for Frank Peterson. correct? Yeah. We were kind of talking a little bit off camera beforehand, but this is probably going to be a, there could be potential spoiler warnings in this. I'll try not to, but you know, you should watch him anyways. Yeah, watch him anyways, guys. Check them out.

How much. So it's weird because it's half documentary story. it's half big footing in the field, as you said. You know, you're filming, the guys going out, guys and gals going out looking for big foot. There's also this underlying story that you're presenting. I found it super fascinating. I had to know, like, you're showing archival footage, interviews with people current day or what would be back 2010, 2011-ish.

how much of that is real, how much of that is reenactment, I guess you could say. And so when I was filming a lot of that, like I said, it was really based on the big footers and what they were doing, doing their investigation. That's really what the film was. And then I heard about this case not far from me about an hour away. this cop who was pretty much on his deathbed had told his family about this story. They were like, they didn't even know about it. They were bedazzled, baffled by it. They never knew about it.

So if a friend of a friend knew we were big footing and contact, I don't even recall how we got in contact with these people, but we finally did. And the man's son, who was a cop too, he was a retired. cop just kind of blew me off for quite a while he's like no no and I just kind of stayed persistent see persistence pays off just keep at it right there you go hey hey so finally the guys like I said just let me just talk to you I'm just curious so he finally did and I think it was kind of down to the trust issue of who these people are and what you know I mean he just at that time

Google my name and he'd see all these horror movies come up So I explained them what I was doing, and I had a lot of the big footers from this area, go with me as kind of credibility. And they didn't want nothing to do with the film, which is fine, but he told us the story. And I said, listen, can I retell your story, leave your names out? And they were kind of more open to it. So I got to interview like the granddaughter and the guy's friends and all. But they were real reluctant to say much.

So it took a lot of interviews and a lot of time, a lot of phone calls. So a lot of that I just kind of wrote down and journal them typed it all and kept it all. So these people didn't want to be on camera, not to them, which I understand. Small towns, you know, they don't want to be known as the Bigfoot people and get the finger pointed on them and stuff. Right. So I just kind of kept it all on the binder of everything we talked about and did interviews on. And finally, I just kind of broke it up as interviews. and I just got actors to kind of reenact what we did with these people.

And they were okay with that. They did show some things, film real, which I kind of looked at. We all kind of looked at for quite a while. They let me borrow it. Had the film converted to an MP4 or a video file so we could really look at it. And we were able to use some of it because I told them I will not show the whole thing and I had to show them everything. Stay tuned from our Bigfoot Society.

We'll be right back after these messages. So we had to reenact some of the film footage in there to kind of overlay with theirs. To this day, after looking at that footage several times, several hours of looking at it, having everyone look at it, no one knows. No one can come up with a definite answer. And like my deep down feeling is that it really looks like a mange bear. I really got messed up on the head. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Reistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen-Yang from Los Culture Reesters with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang.

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Ryan, weird things. So this show is weird because during important parts, the internet gets wonky. So do you mind going back a few seconds and repeat? Because I think I missed something really. We were talking about you looking at the old footage and you noticed maybe something in a certain part. Parts where they think their grandfather had shot this big foot. I'm kind of giving away the ending. But the movie's been out for years now.

If you haven't seen it, that's okay. So what makes it? That makes you want to see it more. So like as most of the film rule, I got to use some of it. like I kept it on file and I told them I would not use the parts that they asked me not to. So we kind of had to reenact that stuff, which is fine. But looking at the file or the film repeatedly, to this day, I don't know. And like I said, I had all their big footers here for in Pennsylvania to look at it.

We kind of shared it. But we couldn't share it out beyond. Like it couldn't become widely known. You know what I mean? Couldn't show it all. They just want to keep it small. don't tell everyone about this. We'll show it to you.

I showed them the final product and they were fine with that. But to this day, after looking at the film or the file, I don't know. To this day, I think it was a mange bear possibly. Oh, okay. Yeah, go ahead. So, okay, so in the, sorry listeners, it's going to get super, go watch the film anyways, just do it.

So in the end of the film, it's like you're watching 70s footage right so you're saying some of that is real yeah yeah like when they're driving up to the house or the camp okay yeah that's the real stuff and them in the in the camp yeah yeah and i can actually show you where the cut is if you ever want to look at i could sure this is where we started because we wanted to keep authentic to what they were doing and like we were just kind of replicating the part of the film we couldn't really show The Bigfoot on the ground is obviously fake, right? Right.

For the film. Right. For the film. But what you're saying is that you've seen an original 70s film that had something like that in there. But you're not sure what it is. But you saw it. Yeah. Whoa.

I saw it. And it wasn't long. It's like they had the last part of the leader of the film they used up. And it was probably as long as what I was. I have in the film. Like, it wasn't much seen. To the day, I don't know. Wild.

I don't know. I don't know. Who else has seen? Most of my crew here that filmed films with me. Yeah, they've seen it. But, like, family didn't want that, like, out out. And he's like, he can show us all. Like, it took a long time to get trust to say, I'm not going to put you in a film

where, you know, it ruined your reputation in any way. because these people had, you know, jobs in law and government jobs. And they just didn't want to be out there. You know what I mean? I just have a feeling that that's bigger than you think it is. Probably. I just have this weird feeling that you saw a piece of film that's bigger than the Patterson Gimlin film. And then no one will ever see.

And like, but we'll never know. We'll never know. That's wild, man. Well, there's been photos up in my area. The Jacobs photos of what I think was a bear or a Bigfoot sitting and eating not far from me. But if you look at those pictures, those look like it looks like a mange bear. I don't know how I don't know how to explain it or look at it, but people this day think those were Bigfoot photos. I'm like, you really got to look at this stuff, you know.

Yeah. not to be the skeptic. I'm not completely, I'm a hopeful believer. That's the best thing I can say. I am hopeful. It is possible that there was a creature out there that we haven't got all the information on. And I hopefully it's out there until I see one. I probably won't fully believe it.

You know what I'm saying? I'm the first to say, ah, that's probably this or it's that, you know. But we had stuff happened during filming of Mountain Devil. I can't explain. I was just about to ask you. I was like, I got to ask you, you're out there filming for a long time going out with these guys and gals and everyone. Did you have anything that made you be like, oh, what's going on? Oh, yeah.

To this day, I have one major incident that I can't explain. At the time when we were filming, it was near Clearfield, Pennsylvania, which is near a small town named Rockton. And at that time, they were having Bigfoot sightings. Like the girl in the film, she actually claims this day, she's seen this thing run across the road. A lot of those interviews were not reenactments, like the bar owner and the one girl. They're escaping my head. It's been years now. Sure.

But those were all sightings from the Rockton area, which was literally an hour away from where this family lived, this other family that was the Frank Peterson story. So it all is in a driving distance of this if there's bigfoot's in the area to be in that area, correct? So I spent a lot of time up in the Rockton area because that's where all these sightings were being seen. All these wood stick houses were being found. Oh, yeah. So one night we were out there about midnight. And we were back there far enough that no one's going to bother us. there was a gas well road and if we walked down in there was a nice clearing down below so we sat

out there around midnight me and another guy and we're like just sitting there didn't we have wood knocking's like i'd say 30 yards away oh man so i turned and did a couple knocks and then it heard it again but it was probably even closer so i said the guy with me i said do you have your gun he's like no, I thought you have your gun. I'm like, no. Oh, no. And at the time, I'm like, okay, let's sit real still because that was first time, the hair in the back of my neck was sky high.

And we started having rocks throwing at us. And they weren't falling out of the sky. Yeah, because we were in a field. I'm like, well, they're not falling out of the sky like acorns or what have you. These things were coming through the trees. You could hear them coming right right over my head. Now it's about 2 o'clock in the morning. We're far from anything.

People. There's no kids out there screwing with us on four-wheelers or what have you. This thing starts walking. There's kind of like a ridge in front of us walking across that ridge. You could hear it. I've never been like scared. Like literally scared. I'm like, what the hell is this thing?

And at one point, it stumbled. you could hear it stumbling, like it tripped on something. And then it got up and you could hear walking, like step, step, step. And after that, the wood knockings were done. The rock throwing was done. So like a couple of weeks later, we had a big group investigation in the same area. And another group of the people that were with us had experienced rock throwing. Now up in there, there's like fencing for the deer to keep them out of certain sections.

And these rocks were coming through. and hitting them or hidden behind them on these these fences so you could hear to ting to ting we're on the middle of nowhere there's no one out there screwing around with us if unless they want to drive really far and waste their time in the middle of the night i don't know what chuckles i'd get out of but that was like the biggest thing i've ever seen or kind of been a part of that actually scared the hell on me i'm like what is that because if it was a bear you you would hear grunt and make more sounds and you'd hear more footsteps. Usually bears aren't going to trip on something either, you know.

And they don't throw rocks. How big were the, uh, the, the rocks that were getting. Yeah, nice size, you know. Okay. They weren't huge, but enough that they were, that was the one night. I'm like, yeah, pack a gun every time. Every time. Yeah.

Uh, was that in the, I'm not really super familiar. with Pennsylvania geography. Was that in the Chestnut Ridge area at all? We're kind of up north and more to the west. But if you fall the Chestnut Ridge from down below, like bottom of Pittsburgh, I guess the Western Virginia, that mountain range comes all the way up to where I am. So we're probably at the peak end of it.

So one of the biggest theories we always had was are these things moving up and down the Chestnut Ridge? we're probably at the far, far end. And the theory always was, or, you know, big foots are kind of like bears. They move where the food is. So they're constantly going up and down this, this mountain range.

And that would make sense where we're at, because we keep going, at this point, you're almost up in New York, whereas a lot more sightings of these things. So are these things traveling up and down this, you know, this mountain range? And we just kind of stumbled onto a few that were in it.

Now, at the same time, we had these wooden hut structures were found. I didn't personally see them. Another group of Bigforders did. And there was like a bunch of them, these little wooden huts that were found in the middle of the woods. They went back to look at them again and they were gone. They were like kind of destroyed in some of science. That is really interesting. Yeah, I mean.

Just such a weird area. Oh, to this day, it's nonstop because I'll talk to Eric Allman. or Stan Gordon, they're like, the phones don't stop. Like, these things are, it's just a hot zone. People calling in and tell them about stuff. Really? Oh, man. Yeah.

If you want to come to Pennsylvania, that's the place to go. If you want to do any investigating, chest don't ridges it. So I'll tell you, like, last year we had driven out to my parents around New England. We were coming back for some, for. some weird reason we decided let's go through pennsylvania we went underneath south of pittsburgh and so we're driving in this area i was like man this area is the weirdest it like it's just weird vibes all over the place and i was like where are we and i was like oh my goodness we're in a chestnut ridge right now it was like weird vibe city i was yeah more bells were going off in my head i was

Like, we are in something weird right now. And oh, there it is. Chestnut Ridge. Weird Pennsylvania area. Yeah. Yeah. They get UFOs. They get big foots.

It's just like the little triangle of weirdness down there for some reason. Uh-huh. You know. Do you have any theories about why you think it's so weird down there? Not really. It might be all the blue shining. I don't either. The mountain ranges or I don't know.

just the biggest theory of there's like a train that runs there's a lot of train tracks and run up through there so they think a lot of food because a lot of deer whatever get hit by the trains that go through yeah so those deer are dead on the side of the road for like a day then they disappear are they because that's just a source of food you know totally yeah that's a good theory it's yeah it's kind of like they know there's going to be something yeah Yeah, that makes sense. That's a good theory. Mountain Devil 2,

The Search for Jan Clement. Mm-hmm. Is it such a... It's so cool. So, like, I love a good mystery. And it's in 1970s, Bigfoot mystery. You can read the book. The book...

Well, before we get into it, so I'm sure you've had to summarize what this film is about. Like, how, there's so much in this one film, but how do you, how do you summarize it down to like, you know what I mean? It's, it's wild, dude. Summarize it. I don't know. It's a hunt for the truth. Who wrote the book? I don't, you know, that was really one statement line about that movie.

You know, who wrote it? Was it real? if you know i'm sure you've read the book but that book came out like 76 77 and if you read it it is to the t about big footing it is so good it's so good like it's like how did he know whoever the author was of that was bigfoot behavior because even back then we really didn't know much and internet wasn't didn't have all the info it does now but if you look at that book. I mean, it's to the T of such Bigfoot behaviors. And that was in the 70s. I mean, it's such a good point because it's like the guy couldn't just whoever wrote it couldn't

just get on the internet and just be like copy paste, copy paste from all over the picture. Like or watch two seasons of finding Bigfoot or whatever and all that jazz. And stay tuned for more Bigfoot society. We'll be right back after these messages. Like that wasn't a possibility. And oh man, yeah, you can get it. It's on. you can get on Kindle. If you have Kindle Unlimited, it's a free thing. It's wild. I think they're up to addition

four now or something. It's a good book. Yeah. Yeah, that's what's That was one of the first books I read that I was intrigued. Like, actually that book, The Creature,

I read back in 2000, and I thought, we should do a documentary on this book. Like, that's pretty interesting. So originally Mountain Devil was supposed to be based on that book. When I reached out to the publishing company and they just said no. So it just kind of got to throw on the side. Really?

Yeah. That was about 2011. And he's like, no, we're not interested. So I threw it to the side. So and Mountain Devil became what Mountain Devil is. You know, that's a completely different film. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Eastas with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen-Yang from Los Culture Easters with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Jang.

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but what do you do? I mean, I never wanted my film ography to be Bigfoot, big foot, big foot, big foot films. I just don't. Sure.

A little creative. Let's do a few different things, you know, I don't, let's clean on some files one day and that book fell out. I'm like, oh,

we got to look at this book again. Yeah. So I got back online trying to figure out, you know, who's running the Allegheny press. We put it out. And it was a man by the name of John Temeckle.

So there's no phone numbers, no nothing. So I wrote a letter. I got a letter back. That's awesome. Yeah, old school letters. Imagine that, right? Yeah. At the time, he was still alive then.

And his daughter was in charge of the publishing company. And she was more open to the idea of you want to do a film on this. So that was our door in, you know. So it's it's a very very cool story. I'm going to try to summarize it a little bit. It's about there's a book put out in the 70s called The Creature. And it's pretty much a gentleman who has this, he's in this cabin and he starts to become friends with this bigfoot creature. And it's just really interesting stuff like they're, you know, he's.

giving it apples. There's staring interactions back and forth for hours. There's even a part when the creature comes up to him and almost like kind of gives them a little E.T. Like a finger tap type. That's what I thought. I was like, I was like E.T. This is crazy.

But and then they just they almost have this like friendship going on. It is so interesting. And I really liked how you put Steve Colt. You had Steve Coles, squads detector in there.

That was cool. Because it's like half the thing is you're trying to figure out who the guy is that wrote this book and everyone's got their own theory. And like you're talking to Lauren Coleman. You're talking to Steve Coles. I was like, this is so stinking good. Yeah, Steve was the first one.

He was one of the first ones. I got to get a old Steve because he did his own podcast on the book. So I wanted to get his ideas and stuff. And Steve has a background in like investigating, right, private investigating. So him and I had a long conversation about it. And like, he has his theories. I have mine. I won't tell anyone anything.

So I probably will by the time we're done. Well, we'll see. Okay, one thing I want to ask you is This film, I think, could not have worked If you had used any other type of Bigfoot mask Than the one that you used Where is that? That is an amazing thing

I think it's right there If I can point right there is really Yeah, I got it on sitting there That's it? That's it? Yeah Wow, perspective makes it looks really small It is. It's way back here.

Okay. It's way back. It looks like a little mug. Yeah. I kept the head. I came across this guy that made these big foot masks and I'm like, can you make an old one? He's like, yeah.

I'm like, well, they're solves that problem. Like looking at this guy is like, oh man, this is literally making it right now. It's like and like the mouth doesn't move, but it's just, it's super cool. I just had to like say good job on that. Thank you. Thank you. I always thought the eyes of it just kind of said everything. And like it wasn't going to talk in the film.

So the eyes had to say everything, you know. Oh, yeah. And it worked. It worked for sure. Did you ever get to come across a copy of the creature from the 70s? Did you ever were able to trap one of those down? I have the first copy. And I have it signed by John Timmickle from Allegheny Press signed it for me.

Why would he sign it? if you didn't write it, though. I asked them to sign it. I asked them to sign it. So we signed this because it's a first edition. And I knew this has been a journey. So sign it. Can you sign this as the publisher and definitely not the writer?

Right. Which which was great. Like when I got the letter back saying, hey, we'll talk about the film, what you want to do. So, you know,

I talked to his daughter. And I said, listen, this only works if I can really interview. John, you know, your dad. She's like, well, my dad's like, I think at the time, he was like 87. And he was in Erie, Erie Pennsylvania. So I'm like, can I come up and just interview him?

She's like, I'll get back to you. So it was like a week two goes by. I'm like, so this isn't going to work if we don't get an interview from him because we. Yeah. He's the one that found the book, put it together, what have you. So finally she called me. She's like, yeah, you can come up interview my dad. And we set up a day and I go up.

And he was just, he was so tickled. You can tell he was just ear to ear smiling about being interviewed and like telling me the stories about how, you know, how he found the book and how about the writer and this and that. And he went and it's in the film, him telling me that extra part of the story that no one even knows about is him and this writer went back to the spot, which is in the film. And he's like, I'm going to tell you something that's not even in the book. or I haven't told anyone really much about. So he tells that story, which I'm like, I'm here to your smiling because I'm like, I got gold here.

This is gold. That's amazing. So I'm like, thank you. And I took off and I said, we haven't even started production or doing much of anything with filming because it was still like half winter out. So we go and shoot the whole film. And I think I was like maybe two months.

And at the time, I was sending him stuff, keeping him updated through email. And I sent him a poster we did, which was a replica of the book cover. But it said Mount Devil 2 on it. It was like a complete replica of the book cover. He just loved it. He was just happy and joyful as could be. And one day I was at work.

And his daughter texted me and said, my dad passed away. And we were like, I was about two months away from it done. And I literally had talked to him a week before and I said, we're almost done, buddy. I'm going to send you up a DVD or within a month. And he ended up passing away. Never got to see the finish film. Yeah. That's really hard.

Yeah. That was like the biggest bummer, but I don't know if maybe he thought this is my chance to tell the story about the creature of the book a little bit. I don't know. But yeah, I was hardbroken. I was like, I kind of was doing it for him too because it was his published book, you know. I don't know if it was his book. but you know he had control over it and and uh it was just really sad he kind of put a damper on it thank goodness you were you made the film when you did and you were able to because it wouldn't

have that that documentary would not have worked if he was i mean you said it yourself he gave you info that wasn't in the book at the end uh man that makes it that makes it that makes it that makes it even more amazing. You know, I love a good documentary story. And this is a, this is supposed to be a big compliment. So hopefully take it as such. But have you ever, like, I really like King of Kong because it's got a great story. I don't know.

Have you ever seen that documentary? Yeah, yes. King of Kong. And I put yours right up there with it, man. Like, it's so good. Thank you. Thank you. So good.

If you haven't seen King of Kong, go watch it after you watch Martin Devil. Mondell, too, is kind of like the one that sits dear to my heart compared to the other two. It's just, you know, we went through so much to get it made. It was just kind of weird how everything folded out, you know. The film was almost done. He passes away. Wow. Another person that we interviewed, he died.

I'm drawing a blank, and I'm a horrible person. But like two people died while we were making the film. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, we do our best what we can on a low budget. Like we were talking about the outfit and costume. Like we barely have any money to make anything.

So it's nickel the dimes to put together the best stuff we can. Bigfoot costumes are expensive. And to go rent one, they're expensive. And they've been used in a dozen films. So, you know, we try our best on baloney sandwiches. budgets. And I think that's also what makes the mask that you used special because you're not going to find, you're not going to see that in any other Bigfoot movie slash film ever.

It's only in Mountain Devil, too. That's very cool. The biggest question, too, is like, you know, in the movie, we were trying to find out who really wrote the book, which we never really come a conclusion. But if you watch the film, it kind of points in a direction. but, you know, was the book true? That's the biggest question. I mean, there's so much stuff in it that's Bigfoot 101 from back in the 70s,

but there's parts of the book that are pretty far-fetched too. So I kind of stayed away from those parts just because there were just a few in there. I'm like, it kind of loses its credibility a little bit with some of it. Gotcha. And I'm sure you know which parts I'm talking about. There's just a few in there are just, mm. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

I also want to point out to listeners that the way I've been describing the film as it's kind of like all like happy go lucky. There are some there's some parts in there that might get a little rough for it for little kids. So maybe watch it before like I know some families listen to this. It gets a little like, you know, nothing crazy, but I'm like, you know, like, I don't want to spoil anything. I might as well. We spoil. Go ahead. That's true.

So, yeah. So he. I don't even go to get into this. Nah, I'm not going to. Sorry, guys. You got to watch it. So here's the thing. With, uh, with John.

And well, I want to know what you're, I'm going to ask you what your theory is even though you might not share it. Or who do you think wrote the book rather? I'll put it this way. It's the best way I can put it. When John was telling me that story about him and the writer and they went and looked for the body one more time. Yeah. It was never in the book and tells me the story. and at the end, I'm smiling.

And all I wish he would have done was just winked at me. That's all I wanted him to do was just wink at me. And I was waiting for him. I'm like, come on, man. And he didn't do it. Oh, wow. So that kind of tells you what I think. I just, it was just like that climax story.

And I'm like, just give me a smile, a little wink or something. Like, I took you on a great adventure. I hope you enjoyed it. Yeah. It's a little similar to what I'm thinking after hearing what you said is so John is pretty much entrusting you with this tale and he knows it's close to the end of his life. And he's like, this is how I'm interpreting it, right? And he's like, this Ryan guy, he's legit. I'm going to give him my last copy of the book.

I'm giving it what I was holding on. to, Ryan, take it. It's yours. I think that if he was the actual writer, he would have told you 100%. I just think he would have done it. So, I don't know. It's tricky, though. It's tricky. Yeah.

Because Steve calls his like, Steve lays it out. He's like, okay, the guy was divorced. The guy was an earth science teacher. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, geez, Steve went to town on this. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I kind of compared the book, the creature, to some of his other books. And the writing is very similar in style.

Not unless whoever the other writer was gave him just a box of notes and said, here's my story. You put it together. Like, he did say that in some way. But so did John take this guy's story and put it in the correct format? I don't know. It's a possibility. But yeah, Steve kind of went to town and pray, like, this, this happened.

there's your guy. Yeah. Boom. But it's funny. I interviewed other people and they're like, I don't know. Like a lot of the arrows point in that direction, but a lot of the well-known bigfooters are like, I don't know if he really did or didn't.

Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. I feel like this is a thing where if you're a Pennsylvania bigfooter, everyone has an opinion on this. Oh yeah, absolutely, but not a definite answer, no. Right. And it's like if you know the story, then you're in like this, this cool Pennsylvania Bigfooter club type thing. It is.

And it's how many people didn't know about the book when I was doing the film. I'm like, this is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Rees with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Culture Reesters with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Spend your balance instantly with a Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cashbacks on your favorite bundle of brands when you join Venmo's stash. Your rewards come from bundles of brands you can keep or switch every 30 days so you can choose the ones that match your everyday spending. The more you do with Venmo, the more you get. Earn 2% cashback when you set up auto reloads. Earn 5% cashback with direct deposit. Great for anyone who doesn't want to transfer funds or wait days. No monthly fee,

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Like, it was like, you would think that's like one of the biggest Bigfoot books out there. It was written back then. You don't know about this? I was really surprised. So hopefully I gave the book a new life when we did the film and like kind of maybe jumped their sales. I don't know. But I was kind of sad by that. I'm like, you got to read this.

In fact, so there were a few movies, documentaries. that I love just because they're niche Bigfoot stuff and if a person is like oh I love this to the and I'm like okay you're cool and search a Bigfoot Robert W. Morgan from the 70s

drumming for Bigfoot Henry Franzoni the 90s Mountain Devil 2 I'm adding into the list dude it's wild thank you it's wild thank you man it's so it's cool it the biggest

like the whole thing's kind of sad, but it even makes me feel, I don't know, sad worse later, like when the film did come out and it was like on Amazon, whenever, I'd give messages from people saying, this made me cry so much. I was so sad. This is great. Really? It made me cry.

Yeah, like, I don't know how many messages saying. This was a tearjerker. I was thinking this was going to be a big foot, you know, mountain devil type of film. And it made me cry. I'm like, it is a tearjerker. I'm sorry. One of the last shots in that is the cabin foundation. That's not the actual place, right?

No, it was just a rundown cabin that was near the area. Just kind of used it as I have a reference of. I don't think anyone's really pinpointed where the cabin was. I mean, they have some ideas, but I know Steve did a lot of research down there and just couldn't pinpoint exactly. called the, and the cabin was called the Diggins, right? The Diggins, yeah. So weird. Yeah.

I mean, we were down there for a few days. Okay. It's such a vast area, too. I mean, but it's near the Chestnut Ridge. You know what I mean? That alone adding it in makes it even crazier. And it's like, oh, I could totally see this story happening in the Chestnut Ridge. Yeah.

Man. Yeah. And here's the thing. too. If John wrote it, he was from Erie. He wasn't really in the Pittsburgh or Greensburg area.

So how to get all this info about I mean, I mean, yeah, I guess there was newspaper clippings back there, but not in great detail. And to the state, chestnut ridge still active. And this whole book takes place in chest near the Chestnut Ridge. Strange.

It's wild. Yeah. Since this film has come out, has there been, more info that you found or have people maybe contacted you after seeing the film and like, hey, here's a little piece of info you might want to know or anything like that? No. No.

Okay. Other than people messaging me saying, you made me cry. And that was a real heartfelt Bigfoot film. No one ever said, hey, I got a piece of info you might want. Usually when I'm done with a film, I am done with a film. I don't want to do any more with it. If it's locked and done and it's shipped off to the distributioner, I'm done. You're like, that's it.

Yeah, too late. The film's done. I don't know what you want to tell me now. Should have me when we were filming. If listeners to this have more information, do you want to hear it? Send to Stan Gordon. Send it to me too, because I kind of want to know. But send it, Stan first.

Stan Gordy first. I need to have Stan on. Oh, absolutely. I kind of want to know it to. So send it to Bigfoot's site at gmail.com. Yeah, just let me know what you find later. Oh, so you do want to know. Well, I mean, if it's something pretty good, yeah, pretty, you can choose.

Oh, you want to make Matt, what would you call it, Mountain Devil 2, part 2? 2.5. Reloaded. Part due. Do. That would be good stuff. Oh, my. Man. And then Mountain Devil 3, the Bigfoot invasion.

Yeah. Tell me about Mountain. I don't even have to say it. But tell me about Mountain Devil 3 in your own words, Ryan. I want after two was so like the heartfelt family movie, I guess. I'm like, we got to do we got to do 180 because you can't do the same film. No. You just can't. So I said, we're going to go in the other direction of bad B movie possible.

And everyone's like, really? I'm like, yeah, it'll be fun. It'll be great. It'll be like the cheesy B movies from the 60s. And we'll just do it over the top of these UFO and Bigfoot invasions will make up these weird stories and just have fun with it. And that was my highlight. I just kind of wanted to get back to like a little bit of horror movie stuff and just make a good, just a fun movie. But there were so many stories here in Pennsylvania.

about Bigfoot and UFOs and aliens happening at the same time. I mean, there's a whole list of stories. I'm like, that's great. We can hit on those, and that'll be the documentary part, but in between we'll just tell these wild crazy stories that have no truth to them whatsoever. I said, I just want to make a fun bloody monster movie. And that's what I did. It was this, it's not the peak of my filmmaking.

I know that. But I'm like, let's just do one more Bigfoot, more Moundevil movie. We'll just make it fun. know. It's fun. You can't take it serious. I said the costume is horrible. It was absolutely horrible.

I'm like, well, let's just make a cheesy B movie style. That's just test. It's really what it is. Yeah. But I will say you have solid interviews in there.

Yeah. It's half fun, cheesy 50s, but kind of horrorish. like it gets rough not for little kids but like you also have some really solid interviews with with big footers in there and I'm like oh this is okay I'm still I'm still digging it Stan Gordon still in it I don't think Stan was happy with that one but yeah he's like yeah

you didn't tell me it was going to be like a cheesy B movie I said yeah you wouldn't have did it right and he's like probably not I'm like I had a old interview with them. And I said, listen, it's just an old interview with you about the UFO stuff. Can I use it? He's like, yeah, go ahead. And then he saw the movie. He's like, yeah, it's not my favorite mountain devil movie.

I said, it's not my favorite either, but, you know, it is what it is. That is funny stuff. Oh, my goodness. But there are good interviews and there were some great stuff, though. I mean, no, yeah. Totally, totally, totally. What is your, do you have any personal thoughts about the whole? big foot

slash UFO phenomenon you know it's crazy some of those stories it's hard to ignore like as big foot interdimensional

because like a lot of the investigations we were doing there were reports of lights in the woods like these balls of lights floating or all

it kind of bounces that goes from mountain devil one all the way to mountain double three about those little lights I'm like

I remember I was talking about them and people seen him. I never seen him. But is it possible? He's just an interdimensional thing that shows up and disappears. I don't know. The biggest thing that always intrigued me was when people find footprints

and these footprints go off and off into the woods and then they just disappear. Disappear. How do you explain that? You know, and people reported, you know, seeing the big foot, seeing UFO, seeing balls of lights at the same time. I mean, there's some great stories. the film. Eric Coleman gave a great story that I never heard of. But I mean,

I can't remember the guy's name off hand, but the one guy who worked with people doing therapy saying the one guy said he had seen a big foot and he was taking up on a ship and then he's seen himself as an older person. I thought that was interesting. Wow. So are they all connected? I don't know.

It's hard to take serious, I guess, because it's such a Star Trek-y far-fetched thing. But actually, it would surprise me is Stan Gordon and I were talking about. And Stan's leaning more towards that way. Well, Ryan, I would agree with you a week ago, week and a half ago. But, dude, I'm going to say is over the last few days, all bets are off. Who knows? Yeah. Right?

I don't know. I don't think anyone knows, but future listeners will have to look through history books and figure that one out for themselves. But even down chestnut ridges, they're seeing a lot of lights. These small balls of lights floating. Oh, really? Yeah. Like, they can't. Oh, man.

You would think maybe it's gas from the ground or something. There's some scientific reasoning behind, but moving really fast and going up and I don't know. at this at this point in life it could be yeah it could be it could be dude UFOs aliens who knows all I know is if I see the mothership I'm running towards it you're gonna run towards it you're gonna take over and start flying it it's funny uh you think there's gonna be ever a mountain devil four uh or is this the trilogy I've been playing around with a fourth one in mind. Okay.

Like I said, I don't want my filmography to be. Right. Mountain Devil, Mountain Devil, Mountain. But you have a lot of other films, like a lot of different horror films. So I don't think, I think you could do a Mountain Devil four and you could still, you know, people. That'd be okay. I've been doing a lot of ghost investigations with a group up in New York. Okay.

They're all Indians or their background, you know, their ethnicities. and we were talking about Bigfoot one day, and they have a lot of stories, and even up in the New York area, and they were telling me a few of them, like, oh, my God, and the Indians really really had believed in Bigfoot and had interactions with Bigfoot,

and some of the stories they were telling them, I'm like, I've never even heard these before. I'm like, might be an angle for a Mountain Devil 4. What did the Indians think back then, or to the day, really? I love it. Because there's the little, the little big foots they used to talk about, too. The ones I used to still apples and I, that's the name's escaping my brain.

But I mean, there was just so many different stories. I'm like, that's a full movie almost. Alba Twitch. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because that's a Pennsylvania thing, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, a little big foot that would still apples. Yeah, I did.

Yeah, so I'm like that could possibly be a part four. I got so much on my plate right now. I don't know when I'd get to it. I got a weird question for you. This is this is not Bigfoot, but we talk about other cryptids sometimes on this. So being a Pennsylvania

person, a Pennsylvania native, do you have thoughts on the squawk crypted? Have you ever looked at this squawk? The squawk. You know what I'm talking about? though? Yeah, I know what you're talking about, but I really haven't looked into it.

Yeah. Oh, man. No, I really. All right. I should look into it more. I don't know. You should. You should make an amazing squawk movie.

No one has made a squawk movie yet. Well, I'm in the process of making a film called Folklore and Legends. That might fit well in there. I'll have to look into that. Oh, yeah. Okay. So it's like a folklore legends of Pennsylvania or? Yeah, anything, like all these little stories about like anything from watching.

treasures to train robberies to like weird creatures no one knows about and just the weird stuff of Pennsylvania yeah

I love that so that might fit in the world yeah you just gave me an idea I'm writing it down well I mean it is it's the year

of the squawk Ryan there's actually squawk a paloosa is coming up this summer and where they haven't had at are you going no I live in Iowa

us, so I'm not going. But if you're out in the East Coast, you totally should. I might. Do you know how many big foot events we have around here? Like, I could have a full book of year. It's a lot, right? Oh, my goodness, yeah. It seems like, especially down by the Greensburg area near Chestnut.

They have, it seems like every other month they're having one. Wow. They're just all over the place. Squamaka Paloozes August 22nd, 26th. Johnstown, Pennsylvania. Oh, that's not far at all. Two hours. Hey, you got it, man.

I have the, it's just, I got to cut back on stuff. That's how much stuff we have scheduled. It's just. I'm going to ask you one more question. What are your thoughts? Do you have any thoughts on Dogman? I think Dogman is kind of a hybrid of a big foot. I think it's just a big foot, just a different.

breed of Bigfoot, perhaps. Yeah, I don't, I don't think it's a dog changing into a person or what have you or vice versa. I just think people that see Dogman are just seeing a form of a Bigfoot that just kind of a different breed, maybe. One that doesn't eat as much. I don't know. They're big and a while. Yeah, they are. They really are.

Is that theory based on anything that you've encountered during your Bigfoot years or just? just something that, you know. Just interviews I've done with people. And if they said they've seen a, they see, they'll say, I've seen a big foot. I don't even. I'm like, what was the difference? Well, they kind of looked the same and they walked kind of the same. One just had a longer. This is Matt Rogers from Las Culture Reistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

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Sex are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Face, and they're basically two creatures doing the same thing. So why isn't it just the same creature, just maybe a different pedigree, you know? That's really interesting. But yeah, they're big, or the dog, man, there's quite a few people that claim to see them up this way, but they're not the ones I go run into. Like, I'm like, yeah. and like I'm not dissing on the Bigfoot community I'm not but I mean you got to really read between the lines when you get an investigation or a report come in like I'll start asking them questions if I don't feel like they're all there I'm not wasting my time and I'm not trying to judge anyone I'm really not but um right um just it's this field and you get all types that come out who've all seen Bigfoot and I'm like well down my

me your story. I'm like, well, why didn't you do this or what was going on? Oh, you were drinking. Oh, okay. Well, maybe you didn't see. You just got to feel through them. Almost got to do like a therapy intervention report and see. Are they cognitive to know what they saw, you know? Oh, I totally get that. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So yeah, I'm not dissonant. I'm just, yeah, be careful with the report she had or who you talk to and I've heard some wild stuff especially if you go to conventions or something I've been there and there's always those people

come up here. I've seen a big foot. I'm going to tell you the story and they'll be there for two, three hours telling you stories. I'm like. Oh, I love that stuff. Oh, that happened to me at Crypticons. It was the best thing ever. Oh, I loved it. Really? Oh, I dig that.

Dude, I talk to people every week for fun about Big. of them. That's kind of my thing, right? You like the abuse. I love that stuff. You like the abuse. I love it. It's so much fun hearing people's story.

Dude, it comes back. It comes from some of it is I used to drive Uber a lot. I would get the best stories for when people, not Bigfoot stories, but I would get crazy. People in an Uber car will just start talking about anything. Anyways. I can only imagine. you don't want to know maybe but I'm not

going to tell it on air that's a different book right that's a different podcast Ryan this has been super fun chatting with you about I'm just going to call it the Mountain Devil trilogy how about that

that works fine that works all right so how can people keep up to date best with what you're doing and what is the best way for them to watch Mountain Devil that helps you the most?

Follow our Facebook page, Legend Hunter Films. Follow me on Facebook, Ryan Cavalini. We do have an Instagram page. You can follow us on there. You can buy our films at LegendHunterfilms.com. If you want to watch any of it, Amazon has all the films up right now, I believe. And also, I think Tooby is running most of them right now. I lose track of the VOD stuff because it comes and moves.

Right. But definitely, I know they're on Amazon, so you can always check them out there. If you want a hard copy, you can get them off our website if you want a DVD copy. Awesome. Thank you so much for coming on tonight, Ryan. No, I appreciate it. Thank you for taking the time to watch it and listen to me ramble for an hour. I appreciate it.

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