Bigfoot Society - Unveiling the Truth Behind Savage Bigfoot Attacks in Montana with Ken Medsker from MBIRG

Episode Date: February 17, 2023

Get ready for a heart-pumping episode as we sit down with Ken Medsker, the Montana Bigfoot expert and researcher with the Montana Bigfoot International Research Group. Ken shares his incredible journey in Bigfoot research and uncovers the mystery surrounding Missing 411 cases in Montana that will leave you in shock. But that's not all, we also ask Ken the burning question on everyone's mind - have you ever seen the elusive pale crawler? Trust us, you won't want to miss Ken's answer. Tune in now for a fascinating journey into the world of Bigfoot!Resources:https://www.themontanabigfootresearchgroup.com/https://www.facebook.com/groups/673490389991612_______Join the only Facebook group for Van Meter Visitor fans - “Van Meter Visitor Believers” - See you there!https://www.facebook.com/groups/vanmetervisitorbelievers/?ref=shareFOR MORE INFO ON THE VAN METER VISITOR FESTIVAL:https://www.facebook.com/vanmetervisitorfestival/_______Join us over on Patreon! Get access to extra audio content, exclusive merch like a membership card and stickers, watch me interview guests weekly live on video, a Patron-only Discord and more.https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyPick up a Bigfoot Society shirt to rep the podcast!https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietyTune in for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QFor full links go to:www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com

And it listened to me. It walked out of thicket. It turned around and looked at me. They looked up and in this tree there was a monkey man. And the monkey man jumped down out of the tree. It started running away. And suddenly they're right in front of the car. He slams on the brakes and manages to stop. He's skidding because it's not quite, you know, grappling. And literally for about a second and a half, they just stood there because they don't know where to go. and you tell them panicking, their face is like twitching. Welcome back to Bigfoot Society, a podcast where we focus on cryptids, the strange, and the unexplained of this world.

If you've got a story or something weird to share, send an email over to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. And if you'd like to support this show, head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society. And now on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, got the privilege of talking to a new friend tonight, Mr. Ken Medsker from the Montana Bigfoot International Research Group. How's it going, Ken? It's going real good. Like I was telling you, we're gearing up for this year's field research trips in Montana, Pustby, Colorado, Oregon, and Idaho again. Oh, I love it.

I love it. So a few quick words about Ken. he is a Bigfoot researcher out there in Montana and he's got some really interesting stories. Ken, is there anything else that our listeners would need to know about you to kind of set the stage before we start chatting? Well, I've had, I've come to believe now encounters with Bigfoot when it was young in the mountains. When I used to take off and go camping, things I'd see start. structures, something large, walked away, bi-pedal. So I've been around it for a long time.

And I really did get into it until my first sighting in 1978. I have to know what I saw. Yeah. When you know, it's not a bear. It's this, it's, it's, it has intrigued me. It's become a quest. Wow. For me.

So to clarify, it sounds like you, so did you have, have a sighting and that puts you on your, your quest to figure out what was going. So it wasn't like you were watching TV and you're like, this looks like fun. Right. You had a sighting. Yeah. It was in 1978. I had hiked into an Alpine Lake out of DeBorcia, Montana, Crystal Lake.

And I spent the day fishing. Well, coming out, I had seen bearscat and everything. So you'd become cautious, especially when you're carrying trout. And I could hear a log being torn apart. off this old logging road. So I stopped, drop, put the creole on my shoulders, I could drop it if I had to. What walked up on the road was Sonata Bear was walking upright. And it was, I'd estimate between 7.5 to 8 and a half foot tall. It was covered in short black hair, long muscular arms, a barrel chest,

the legs were muscular, the hands appeared to have no hair on them, as did the feet. The face, how do you say the head was rounded with small ears and when it turned his head you can see for crude eyebrows the nose is somewhat flat the mouth was a little bit open and you can see the bottom

to dog teeth they looked at me and they went up a steep bank in two steps it was up a real steep bank really and then started parading the road of course

I figured it was time to get out of there which I did and then I stopped and I built a little rock thing and I've always been taught you go out, you always return something, so I dropped by it and I left. Now, this is a seven-and-a-half mile hike in and out, so you're talking 15 miles around trip. And I was the only one in there, and there's been reports of that area a lot, sightings up in that area in the Hog and DeVosha area, tree knocks, visuals. I'd have a knock on the side of the house when I lived up there. Really?

All the night, you hear real quick wraps. So we knew they were out there. You could smell them. Cut in fire, would you take a break? Also, you hear real sharp tree knocks. And it wasn't the way knocking trees. I, in the mountains, too much to be able to know, to know that. Wow.

Yeah. I had no idea. Montana was so squatchy, to be honest. to be honest this is incredible well we have i got reports from the missouri briggs cut bank sydney of the big hole the bear tooth the bob marshall the pentler sailway area of bigfoot sightings and there's not many groups in montana that's going out there because there's no guarantee we're going to find anything sure there's always that chance there's always that chance there's always a chance that have an account of giving an example, that video I had you watch, we didn't know we had

captured that juvenile, and that's been verified as an unknown bi-pedal creature. It's not a bearer human. Just prior to that, something large was smelling the window of the mortar home where the wife was sleeping, she woke up, she didn't wake me up. She got up, went out in the dining room, it's like, because of the blinds roof, she went and laid back down. She didn't wake me up. But she got up and I got up and asked what was wrong. She told me, she said, she heard it walk away, heavy footsteps. So the next morning, I went out and measured from the flat of the ground to where she pointed on the window, it was nine and a half feet. Really?

Which put a creature at 10 foot or better at the same time, that small one at six foot was standing by the Jeep. It's a really interesting video because it's like you can see just enough of it to raise questions. That's the crazy part. And if you want, listeners, if you want to check out this video, you just go to the Montana Bigfoot Research Group.com. And it is on there for you to view. But I'll definitely have that link in the show notes as well. But it's a very, I've watched it more than a few times myself.

And I'm like, man, I don't know. I really don't know. Yeah, a little bit of the history of that area. Jeff, which is a co-founder, he's the one that. actually got me to open up the Montana Bigfoot International Research Group because he has curiosity and now my primary online researchers out of Malaysia he worked for the Canadian Forest Service so he sent through what he finds and we posted on our Facebook site and they're up there what caught Jeff's eye was the footprints in

the snow that just wandered off on a main game trail. And then his son was down by where we normally have our base camp, playing the dog, and also the big rock was thrown into the water. And some bipedal walked away. And every time we go up, there something happens. So I continue going to the area because there is activity. You'll hear it sounds like a screech out, but it's not a screech out. Okay. You'll hear coyotes, but they're not coyotes. You'll hear funny bird sounds. So these are the areas we return to because eventually we're going to get that little thing on video camp. I put out.

Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, I put out, I'll have 10 trail camps put out. Generally, I have two around the camp. We're deploying two drones this year, a large one and a small one. See what we can catch from the air. What kind of drones are you guys using? They're Vindatar drones. They're only good for the day.

At nighttime, my night vision binoculars, or I can record that has SIM cards, I can record through them, but not at a distance. And I'll give an example, I made on that. My video cam, which has voice recording, it records at night too. But you're only limited by distance. Example, I was over in St. Mary's, and I have two photographs of something, avoiding something black. it looks like your shoulder avoiding the trail cam. My trail cams are set anywhere from six and a half to seven and a half foot off the ground. So it's not a bear.

I mean, I've gotten deer, elk, moose, wolves on the trail cams already. The night we went out was my stepson. I had, it appeared to be a juvenile looking at us through the trees. Wow. And I tried to get a recording when I dropped the binoculars and put him back up as gone. A little later, I was scanning a tree line. There was a large one standing there watchings. Oh, wow.

Just after that, me and Josh was standing there and the big log can flying between the two of us from behind. Oh, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. Okay, here we go. So you guys are watching the tree line for the squash and all of a sudden a huge line. law gets thrown at you. Yeah. Coming from behind us, so there was more than one there. Oh, dude, they were sneaky.

They snuck up behind you and they're going to take you out from behind. Yeah. So we decided it was probably prudent to leave. Wow. To go back to the motorhome in the house. Yeah. But I did the call to a, who,

whoo, call. Okay. And I got coyotes in response but weren't coyotes. Wow. Have you gotten? interesting audio on a recorded when you're you're out there you always recording audio or yes I have I also have a sonic listening device which these headphones go to oh sure so I can

pick up anything in the distance oh wow and it does record and I put it in on cassette which is I transferred over to a flash drive is what I was looking for today I probably have 21 recordings of different sounds I've actually recorded myself So when I do get those out, I'll send them to you. Yeah, thank you. That would be awesome. Yeah. And like I said, they're here.

Phillipsburg Drummerey's cattle country. During the calving season, calves come up missing. It's not wolves taking it. They actually put prints, Illinois. Whoa, really. So you're, I would guess ranchers are finding these footprints. Yeah. And they're like large, they're pretty much Bigfoot type footprints.

It's considered 18 to 22 inches. Yeah, you know, I consider that. Yeah. I could consider that. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Well, it's easy food source for them. Yeah, it is.

Even during a ponding season for deer, cabin season for elk and moose, I'm sure Bigfoot takes the babies. Mm-hmm. I mean, this is an animal that's capable of. killing a, you know, a deer, an elk. Wow. In the history of it in 1851 in Arkansas, two guys watched a big foot chasing cattle trying to grab it. And 1846 actually found 22-inch tracks in the snow. That's in Arkansas.

Wow. And then, but part of doing research for Bigfoot, you've got to find when the first our kind of recordings, not our, consider, like we talk about the Native American, because it's there in pitch graphs and in the legends. Sure. You talk to the ponies in the Southwest, the ward they had with them, the natives up on the West Coast, the ward they had with Bigfoot, and where there was a funny at Troats growing, what you want to do, go back. Now, the earliest account I've been able to find is 986, 8, 8,000. AD and that's Lee Perrickson in Newfoundland. Oh, sure, yeah. And he describes large, heavy, smelly creatures that were very aggressive.

And then in 1793, Santico, I can't say it's a pronunciation. He was commissioned by the Spanish King to explore the West Coast of South America and North America. He wrote in his journals of large bipedal creatures. Wow. When Lewis and Clark was headed through the Exploring the Louisiana Purchase, they were worn by Maddans, the Shoshone, the Blackfoot,

about large, white hairy men in the mountains that like to steal horses and eat them. And it's in that journal somewhere and I've been trying to find it. I had the pastures at one time. So, you know, there's a history of it. It's something we can't ignore.

Hmm. They've been wrong. longer than we have. And whether they come across a land bridge or they're related to giant pithicus, we don't know. Sure. Yeah. Now, any DNA they've done on the East Coast, Expedition Bigfoot, did DNA on samples.

It come back as an unknown chimpanzee. Right down in Kentucky. Was it Kentucky? Yes. Now, on the West Coast, the DNA come back as a species. species of orangutan. Now, an expeditioning to Tibet, in a real high alpine lake, nobody goes into, they did E-DNA, and it come back as 98% human.

Now, what we have to understand, there's only two to three percent difference in our DNA to us and the giant primates, the gorillas, the chimpanzees, and the orangutans. Interesting. You know, there's a lot out there. And you're going to hear, say, you know, people want the attention. And my standing policy for my group, now, we, I don't want the attention. I want answers. Absolutely.

Absolutely. What we learn helps you, the people come to understand because the scientists ain't going to tell us. The governor shouldn't hell ain't going to tell us. So it's up to us individual ones. out there willing to take the time. And to make the connections with the other groups, and hopefully your research helps out other people and their research helps out yours.

And just hopefully people keep connecting and play nice so that can happen. Yeah. Spring is pretty much confirmed. I've got one research group in Colorado that's coming. I've got it's a Sasquatch Highway out of Oregon, Bruce. he's coming and then in the fall I returned to that area twice year in the spring and in the fall I've got another group coming out of Texas to do it and we'll be there for two weeks coming to

the your research area oh wow that is we're unknown but we're also the ones out there doing it we don't talk much about it I will post on on the domain or on my Facebook site some of the stuff. You know, we do come across. Yeah. I'm curious. Well, first, the first thing I want to know more about is in the name itself, international research groups. So obviously you guys are researching on Montana, but what is it that makes it an international thing? We have, I get reports from Wales, Germany, Scotland, the Philippines, Malaysia, Borneo, Thailand, Australia, Thailand, It's like Kenny's, they have to be international. Because I have members from all over the world.

We actually have 23 countries, members in 23 countries. Fascinating. Hmm. And it's like I said, the one from, let's see, do, do, do, do. In the encounters, the clip Eagle Speaker, something in the Blackfoot, Indian, reservation talked about what him and his girlfriend saw a bipedal creature walking and then he goes beyond that and this is all on there um the one in wales it was july 18th 2021 a guy who was digging the ditch and he looked up and saw a large bipedal creature walking towards him and when it saw him it

took off. Wow. And then the reports out of Malaysia and Borneo of the Pendeca, which is what they call the big foot down there. It's a smaller one and it's more oranges in color. So we do get these reports. Like I was telling you, I don't know when I'll get a message with somebody else, this is what we've seen. And then what I do is I immediately go online and I start researching, Let's say Wales, how many sightings have been in Wales? You'll be surprised. How many in Scotland? How many in England?

You always do a follow-up to make sure you're not getting, you know, BS. And everything I'm finding is back in what they're telling us. Wow. In the research area that the Montana group has, are you all focusing on getting a certain type of evidence or is it pretty much whatever you can find so is it more footprints or audio or video or you just kind of throwing everything out of this year we're going to concentrate on footprints looking for hair samples um those are going to actually in the field i want them collecting small empty bird

nests birds who use hair to line their nests they use like hair on of our horses that. So any hearing that I do have a microscope, I can look to see if I've got the written app that I can send into a lab. We want to get actually better vocalizations. Yeah, and catch something on video. Well, we have the definite proof. And this takes time. It's not something that I don't think people realize just how intense field research is. Absolutely. Because we have have two groups during the day, and I try to narrow it to one group at night. Because somebody gets lost to say a whole lot harder to find them that night and during the day, especially in Montana. Because this is rugged, rough country.

I mean, that's the thing because, and it's not just Bigfoot. You have to be, I mean, you have extremely large predators besides Bigfoot up there as well, right? Yes, we have wolves. We have mountain lions. We have black bears. We have grizzlies. Oh, grizzlies. Wow.

Yeah, and they did big ones. These are big humpback grizzlies, and they're not friendly. So, you know, we have to be aware at all times, just not bigfoot, the apex predators in the area. Coyotes, I don't worry about bobcats or links. We do have those, too, but it's the big, the primary ones, the mountain lions, your wolves, the bears. and possibly Bigfoot. Do they take humans, unknown question? Have there, is there a history of Bigfoot sightings in Montana that you're aware of?

I know you've looked into different history reports in different parts of the U.S., but have you found any how far things go back in Montana itself? Oh, the earliest report will be from Lewis and Clark. Okay. Written down all the native, the black feet and the black foot in their legend goes, they were, according to them, they were already here. Wow. And the Sioux talk about them. Then get farther south into the southwest.

You're funny, Navajo, the Zuni, all have a history. They actually have a dance. It's a big foot dance. It's not the variance. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, wow. That is cool.

That is cool. So when you're doing research, this is the whole thing is you've got to look at everything. You've got to have an open mind. You can't be a skeptic and say, oh, that didn't happen. We used to keep coming across the same thing over and over, but from different sources. There's something, there's a basis there you've got to find out. Where, why. You know, they also.

saying what where when and why right those are what you're trying to answer do you feel like you have adequate evidence to prove its existence in montana are you still reaching for for a better piece hopefully next year i think we do i do but i want that conclusive piece you know it's it's better be safe than sorry as they say And that's why, you know, it's just not there to go, because I'm now by myself, and I have the big, I have a big mortar on my class A, and I tell my Jeep behind, I can go out and spend weeks. As long as I got propane and water, I can be out there doing field research.

And it's just a matter of being there at the right time. Yeah. And the one area there's the unusual things happen is the bear tooth range. people come up missing there and they don't know why are you talking about like missing 411 stuff yeah they know there's an aggressive big foot in those mountains that are actually killing people wow how how is it that you say have you heard reports or there's bad things seen that you know it's an aggressive big foot somebody's missing they find them and it looked like the got the person has gone through meat tenderer it all their bones are crushed

Whoa. Necks broken. Oh, wow. Skulls crushed in, ribs are crushed, legs are broken. Some have been found wrapped around a tree. Wow, wrapped around a tree. That's extremely intense. I don't know if you read, heard on that, the drug dealers, the sheriff knew about, they were going to do a bus.

They are in your group? No, this is someone else. Oh, this is a different. Because I saw another story in your group that was incredible. But go on with yours. The 911 call they received. They could hear gunfire. And they kept the people saying El Monsterio.

Well, of course, the cops are going to respond. When they got there, it was all quiet. They found all this ammo had been shot. They found the bodies just tore apart. The backside of the trailer was completely ripped open. and this little girl come out and all she would say, El Monsterio. Oh, man. The monster, right?

Yeah. You know, eight canyons, another one. Those gold prospectors, why did Bigfoot attack them? But if you listen to what they said, they shot at Bigfoot, killing one, and wounding one. Bigfoot reprisal was they were going to get those guys. Now, the report you referred to in. bear tooth. Is that kind of behavior?

So I'm guessing that kind of behavior isn't anything you would see from a grizzly. Is it almost more aggressive than you would see from a bear? Really? Yeah, it's more aggressive. A grisly, if he takes you, he's either going to eat your barrier. Okay. Like you're not going to be there anymore at all. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. And these are different. These are different. And that's more reported attacks in the bear tooth by something unknown. And it's bears are rolled out, mountain lines are ruled out. How far back to these missing reports go for bear tooth? 1938.

Really? Yeah. It's been happening all along. It's been happening all along. Oh, man. Wow. You know, the ball marshal. Yeah.

Yeah. People have never been into the bottom marsh. The only way in there is by horseback or foot. I used to work for the outfitters as a camp cook during hunting season. Okay. What I saw that day was not a bear. What did you see? I'm sitting there watching the slide just across the stream,

and I watched a group of herd of elk come out. They looked at cows. They turned around and took off back the way they had come. What walked out on that trail was in the bear was walking up right. black. After across the clearing the slide, there was two real loud tree knocks. Wow. And that night when the federal game or didn't, because I'd asked the outfitter about it,

and the outfitter told the game orin, well, Ken saw the big guy and the guy, the game morning started laughing. Ken saw the big guy. That's what they said. Yeah. Oh, man. Then after that, it's, it's all bets are off. must have been like it's on yeah it's on now that makes me yeah you know like I was

saying it's just not the only kind of give you another example of why I know I've been around them I used to run a winter trap line for beaver and coyotes and that of a place off of the blackfoot back then they were logging so they had the road plot on had an area I set my base camp up and then I'd snowshoe never used to snow wheel I had Alaska trails modified sure so I'd make my coyote sets and I always used conno bears, quick hills. I don't believe in an animal suffering. I had to love to get supplies and come back

and I would start running my line, probably about a mile from the camp. One of the cowboys was tore up. There was a coyote hit and the trap, but nobody. Really? Yeah, but you could see tracks leading away, but it was covered snow. So I continued to

where I'd spend the night. Then my next day I'd come back along Gold Creek itself on my beaver sets. There were beaver traps totally destroyed, pulled out of the water. So something took the beaver. Yeah. And there again, tracks. And you're talking tracks 16, 17, 18 inches that were covered in snow.

You can definitely tell. Really? Yeah. Oh, man. So did you get scared? I think you do, but you become more cautious and alert to your surrounding areas. Oh, sure. I have a standing policy when any of my kids go with me.

Listen to the forest, the woods, the mountains. They're going to tell you a story. All right. And most of you don't understand this like pine squirrels. If they sound off in a distance, they have an alarm. Pay attention. Okay. Because if they start sounding off, as they're coming towards you,

that means something's coming. towards you. And I've had bears. I've seen bears. Actually, the squirrels are just ahead of the bears. Oh, really? Wow. Is that an indicator? Yes. Yeah. Man. I was going to ask you earlier, those the missing people reports in Bear tooth, have you, are those things you've just researched yourself or did you find those, were those in like a certain area gathered together? Well, I knew one of the deputy sheriffs down in that area. I won't say his name.

Yeah, okay. So you got the inside. Yeah. Yeah. You know, to say to protect him, he knew I'm into the Bigfoot stuff and he got to talking to me. They get at least two, three, fours a year, people missing. Some they never find.

Wow. Oh, wow. And so when they hear stuff, they're coming to you. Yeah. I'll get a phone call. Say again, another guy's missing. Now, Chief Joseph, which is the pass out of the bitter rut into Idaho, you swing over there into the big hole. And anybody that knows about the big hole, that's where the Nets first had really the first contact with the cavalry when Chief Joseph was escaping from Idaho.

Um, they have a signage of a bipedal creature quite often around that campground. Really? And it's not a bear. So that's on my list this year to actually go in and set up a camp, my mortar home and everything and spend some time. But I'll trail cams and try some things. Hmm. And that'll make local news when that happens. Yeah.

Oh, man. People in Montana are real research. about talking with the experience. Okay, Unabomber, Lincoln, Montana, where the Unabomber was, Jurydinski was found. Ted Kizzenz, oh man, this, this episode is going to raise some red flags and algorithms. Let's party. Yeah. Anyway, well, when the FBI was baked up the cabin, they watched a mountain line kill a deer.

They ain't no way they're going to get all that. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. They talked about it. There was no way they're going to get out of that car. But there has been reports of the Lord. vocals and this thing about people monta they're so close mouth now i do have a member that's going to meet me sometime this summer up at lincoln to show me some of these areas okay which i'm

always happy to go to i got all the time in the world until winter shuts me out there you go so oh man it's an adventure i look at it's an adventure but it's an adventure for knowledge for understanding What would it take for your quest to be done? To finally verify what I saw was not a bear. Okay. I'm not going to say like guys joke around, I have a sit down with me and have a beer. Right. But no, to be able to say yes, it wasn't a bear.

It was definitely a bipedal creature. Will it take, uh, what kind of, what kind of evidence would that take? If I can find a thesis where I can get DNA footprints, if we take your DNA, take your ground, a dirt, which I have all the, I have all the equipment to do it. It's just finding the stuff to do it. Sure. I'm going to try to get fingerprints this year. And I'm going to use a large beer can, open the beer set out at night. If it's on the ground, I have the dusting powder for fingerprints.

Okay. It's finally to prove just not to myself to others that, hey, these do exist. This is another thing our government's covering up. You know, there's so many theories about Bigfoot, I have my own, and I'm sure it's going to conflict with others. But over the years, you develop a theory, what is it? You know, I study the human evolution. And you're surprised The primates did not evolve like humans

But if they did evolve He has big foot An evolutionary takeoff of the primates A larger Giant Pythicus, gorillas Orangotans, chimpanzees Gotcha If they're getting DNA

And stuff that comes back It's unknown primate Then there's something there Right And the other thing is to find a lab that won't shoot their mouth off to the government. Well, I mean, it's like who can you trust that your evidence is going to magically end up missing and never get returned to you like so often is the case, right? Well, I did. I sent in some DNA samples, some E-DNA.

And I've never heard a word. Really? And that was two years ago. Wow. So what was the results? It either means you found something or there's a lot of people in the labs that are not so organized. Yeah, I'm going to be smoking if you don't mind. Oh, you're fine.

You're fine. Yeah. What if you had to put a pin down on a map of Montana for the squatchiest area, what would you think for the hysteria or the sorry the squatchiest area that i think where i'm going again this year's i keep because we're something always happens there and that's the key is now it's being there at the right time having enough people out there out in the field we're actually going to be putting out a satellite camp a satellite cam yeah really tell me that that's interesting yeah the one a group from

orhington i'll be taking them into an area it's about a mile maybe or or maybe only a half a mile from an alpine lake i've come across tree structures in that so i'm gonna jeep in and tent safe and bags cooking gear everything and they're gonna spend a few nights in there now they will be in contact with the base camp through the cbs both the mortar home and the jeep has cvs and they will have affordable. Those in the field have two-way radios, one's in the base camp, and the guys have I can hear what's going on if they're talking between each other. So I'm curious, is Bigfoot moving

from the lakes through that draw up into the bar marshal over the top, into the ball marshal? It's just one range on one side and the mission mountains on the other side. It's a big area. It's a big area. How many hours do you think you've put in over the years for Bigfoot research if you had to round it rounded up? $1,200 hours. Wow. That's awesome.

That is amazing. And a lot of times. Yeah, go ahead. I'm limited because of my health. heart. Oh, sure. I can't get out there like I used to when I was a kid. Okay. If I didn't have a bad heart, I'd be the one out there in a satellite camp. Okay. By myself. But now I have others that do it. And it's hard to get people to come. They don't realize it's important. I have the people there that follow the rules. We do have rules for field research and we're real strict.

You follow these rules. Otherwise, they're removed. Sure. That's good. And that, because you get hurt out there. The closest hospital is 45 miles away. Oh, my goodness. That's the game over, dude. Yeah. Yeah.

And there's no place to bring a helicopter in there. Oh, really? So you can't even, like, medvac anyone out? Like, it's really, you're done. Yeah. Well, we had a saying in the Bob Marshall with the hunters. If your buddy dies, lame over a log, it's easier to put him on a horse, a pack horse, and if he's flat. Oh my goodness, wow.

That'll make a person pay attention. Uh-huh. Yeah. We request that nobody goes armed but myself and the head of the teams I send out. Sure. So somebody doesn't get gun happy. And I don't like anybody to really be carrying a weapon. At night, I understand, but during the day, I think Bigfoot can sense it.

I agree with you. From what I've heard talking to people, I would agree with you on that for sure. It's weird. It's, you always hear stories about how they can sense certain things or, you know, can they sense IR on like game cams, stuff like that. It's just really, really interesting stuff. Really not sure what this creature can and can do. It's pretty intense for sure. Yeah, see, we changed.

our flashlights we don't use white okay we use a high density black light flashlight oh interesting oh my shen normally deer and that will have eye shine under these there's no eye shine okay you can see them and there is no eye shine gotcha so does bigfoot see that color spectrum we don't know over the years, you know, all those hours that you're out there, have there, have you ever noticed anything else weird or strange? Just that you're like, it was Bigfoot, but I'm really not sure what's going on here. You mean trees driven upside down in the ground? Okay. That's cool.

Yeah. And you've run into that? Yes. Really? Yeah. You don't find those very often. You're more up north, but you do every once in a while here. You'll find X's in a different configuration, blinds during waterholes along game trails of streams.

All sorts of weird things. I've run across fish traps. In places, there ain't no humans, and I see those. In the spring, the rainbow trout and the silver salmon spawn. In the fall, the Kokeney salmon in that spawn. the brown trout the brookies so those streams have got trout in them fish which is a food source that there is like and i think bigfoot does too these fish traps are primitive and that and but they're they work expedition bigfoot they come across it in Washington didn't know what it was

so i was telling the wife i've not even talked about about this. You know, we don't, what does Bigfoot eat? Is it a carrion eater? We know it'll kill. What kind of, if you look at the edible things, if you look at, like in Montana, baby fern, cattail, young cattail, hawkobaries, raspberries. I'm sure they rate farmers' fields.

there's a lot to eat out there then you look at taking deer taking elk even a moose and they will kill a bear so cubs it comes across to cub that's food for the bigfoot so let's focus so you're saying they will kill a bear yes how how do you know that like i'm just i'm genuinely curious how how you know how you know How can you come across a bear with a broken neck and there's no gunshot wound and there's nothing around? Okay. A smell in the air smells like something dead and rotten and moldy. Wow. Is that something you've come upon yourself? A couple of times. Really?

Yeah. You've found a bear that has a snap neck. Yeah. Totally dead. And now is this like full-size adult or what size of adult? One was a full-size adult. The other one was a cub. The cub had.

the one hind quarter missing they've been torn off and anybody's doubting me I'll take a polygraph to any of this stuff because I'm serious about you know what I see I've not talked about it until recently of what I've experienced out there really yeah I'm I'm you know just really taken it back by that I mean that's that's incredible because I'm thinking another bear probably couldn't I'm trying to think of creatures that could like break or you said like

you know break the neck of a bit like that's that's an intense Ken I know I hunt bear yeah I know how thick their necks are yeah that make me that I would be thinking

for a while on that man it's like there's only a few I really can't think of anything other than Bigfoot that could do something like that dude you know oh um

A boar bear will eat will kill a cub. That's why the sow is so protective of the cubs. Well, a sow can get separated from the cubs, get separated. What happens if? Bigfoot grabs it. Hmm. You're talking to an animal, except 8, 900 pounds or more. Yeah. An animal 8.5 to 11 foot tall, extremely muscular.

Can you imagine? I'm not sure if anyone has, has a, story of this but seeing the fight between a grizzly and a big foot my goodness that wouldn't that be something to go down in the ages yeah well the other thing we've noticed when i'm out if if there's no bears i generally that's where i start hearing the weird vocalizations and stuff i think the bears get the hell out of there sure you know it's like they're finding out porpoises are killing great white sharks okay they show up the great white sharks leave it's all duck yeah right now the great white sharks an apex predator hmm if a bear's a black bear it's not as powerful as a grisly

but if they target a small bear what chance do they have what chance do we have absolutely you know you're on the food chain as far as i'm concerned i'm sure you've heard different recordings of you know big foot vocalizations and you've mentioned already that you've you've heard almost mimicry of different animals have you heard anything that you know like a uh uh a howl or or anything where it's like okay that's not like a coyote sound that's something totally different yeah yeah a whooping oh oh you have heard whoops out there okay really they're generally they're generally they're generally followed by a couple of tree knocks. Wow.

And you can distinguish a tree knock from Bigfoot, from a tree, a wind below in a tree. There's a distinct sound. Okay. I mean, it's real loud and clear. You hear it leave the area. Like I said, in the structures I've come across, there's some of them.

You see them turn around and get the hell out of there. Don't do not go any further. They're a warning. Stay out of that area. It's a warning. Yeah. It's a warning. I want to say it was my buddy Tate Hieronymus that almost he labels it like a power knock.

I've heard that throwing around, but it's like it's so sharp. It's so loud that you're just like it could be nothing else, right? Yeah. I mean, you hear it. They could be two, three miles away. There's no mistaken when they do it. We cannot create that lot of train knock ourselves. Ours are short and sharp but short.

There's, you hear it. You hear it through thick woods, everything. You'll hear that knock. When they scream, sometimes it sounds like a woman. Okay. Very interesting because, yeah. So you've heard that yourself where it's like a woman's scream? Oh man.

It'll make you stand up and look around. Oh, do you have any of that recorded? Yes. You do? Oh, man. I'll get those recordings out. I got to go through all my flash drives and find them, and then I'll get them set to you. No pressure, but I would love to hear it.

That's awesome. Have you ever played like a baby cry sound? I'm trying that this one of the... Oh, you're going to try that this year? Yeah. You've got to tell me how it goes. I will. Because that usually brings out the crazy.

Yeah, I got a thing I'll be back on here. show eventually. I think we'll be checking in maybe at the end of the season for you guys. We'll see. I'll definitely keep in touch.

I'm in the Montana group, so we'll be keeping in touch. You got some wild stuff in that group. Yeah. That's what and we're a private group for a reason. Right. We, me and my moderators,

we have one primary thing. You will be respectful. Yes. You troll somebody special. me you ain't got a chance you're gone your history I will not tolerate it and we built a group of trust yeah that's important talk about the experiences look at the guy the contractor with Border Patrol what he saw yeah yeah I mean it takes a lot for these people to talk about these experiences don't know absolutely because

trust me I verify everything anybody's saying and it's not that hard to do it's just of the area. You'll learn how to do research online for information. Like I posted that you notice, I don't post anything on there that I have not double-checked after more than one article. That's awesome. Because I'm online from two, three o'clock in the morning. I'm sitting there doing research.

I have two really left field things I want to ask you about that if you've ever heard anything like about this kind of thing in Montana. It's really left field. So have you ever experienced any like orb stuff up there? I haven't. I know. Oh, you have? Oh, that night we had that log thrown between us.

Yeah. Just prior to that, we were standing there. I looked up just about five miles away. I'd say quite a ways up in the sky. A red orb was dancing all over the sky. It wasn't a helicopter. It wasn't an airplane. Oh, it was like going diagonals and stuff?

It was doing this. Really? We disappeared. We watched it for 45 minutes. I tried to catch it on the camera and that it was too far away. Oh, wow. Now, I had that's cool. Where I got the wolves on trail cam.

I haven't figured how to piece the video together, but I have, it looks like an orb coming up this straw, and it slowly floats across the trail. rail cam, and then comes back, and then it's gone. Okay. That's wild. There's seven videos of it. Man, that's awesome. The night after we caught that juvenile, I woke up.

Something was chattering outside of the window of the mortar home on my ceiling. I looked up and there was a white war dancing on the ceiling. and it just went out of the wall. Inside the motor home back and forth? Yeah. I naturally. Look at that. Oh, no.

I don't know how I deal with that. You lay there like, what the hell? Yeah. I got up. Yeah, I got up and fully charged dual batteries in a mortar home that got completely dead. They were completely dead 20 minutes and they come back online full charge. No way. I'm serious.

Oh, that's crazy, Ken. Wow. I don't know how you explain that. Yeah. You can't. You can't. You can't. I don't know.

That's the thing. It's like there's, you know, so the way I think about it is, you know, there's no right or wrong answers yet for the creature, right? Because we don't have one captured or whatever. So I think it's like, I think it is like an animal and ape, a creature, but it's like, think of the animals around the world and all the weird stuff they can do. Who's to say that like Bigfoot has like these crazy stuff that we have never even thought an animal can do? I mean, like all bets are off, you know? Interdimensional travel cloaking. Yeah.

I've never experienced it, but I'm not going to discount it and call somebody else bullshit like a lot because I've never. experience. I only base everything I talk about, I base on my experience, either in the field or online researching. Yeah. And people don't understand that. I have all the time in the world to do this. Absolutely.

Yeah, I'm 70. I got all the time in the world. That's right. All right. Number two. Okay. Left field. There's a creature in cryptozoology where it's like.

labeled as like a pale crawler humanoid weird thing. I don't know if if that doesn't ring any bells, don't worry about it. But just in the off chance. Okay. I've never experienced it personally. I'm not saying they're not out there. Yeah. Okay.

Good example. I'd like to meet the farmer in Deer Lodge. He's got one of those on a trail can. Yeah. Who? There's a rancher. I have a deer lodge. His cattle was coming up missing, so he put out a bunch of trail camps.

He has something like that on one of the trail camps. A farmer? This is Deer Lodge, Montana? Uh-huh. Can you get me in touch with him? I'll try to, yeah. Okay. I don't meet him.

I want to go where it was at. You got to. Yeah. Dude, oh, my goodness. So he's got some weird stuff on a trail camp. Yeah. The thing about really. research, field research, you have more questions than answers.

Absolutely. And the more you go out to do it, the more questions you're going to have than answers. But there's always that one moment when something may happen that you're not a believer, it can make you a believer. When I was young I was four, I'd never jump out of an airplane. Well, I finally did it. You did it. Yeah, when I was living in Hawaii. I spent time in Hawaii.

I was there 14 years on the island of Kauai. You hear about the Mendo Honeys. Yes. Tell me what a small footprint in the Amkite swamp, which is one of the highest plateaued swamps in the world. It's actually at the base of the wettest place in the world at 485 inches of rain a year. Wow.

What is that little footprint doing up there? Hmm. The Manny Hoosies are the ones that built, fish pond. They don't, they call it the Menehouni ditch when the Hawaiians got there. Kauai was the first islands, the Hawaiian Polynesians landed on. There was already a ditch built and they don't know who built it. Wow. It's perfectly angled for water flow and everything.

And it goes right through rocks at all. It's got a tunnel and everything. Nobody knows who built it. It's like our medicine wheel in Wyoming. Nobody knows who built it. It was there when the Navy. Native Americans come into that area. What's the, what's the medicine wheel?

It's a big, it looks like if you're in the air, like the Aztec lines, you see it on the ground, but if you're in the air, it's a great big wheel with spokes. Okay. The medicine wheel. It's a sacred place for the Native Americans. It was there when they got there. That's wild, dude. You hear the people before, constant the people before. Are there, uh, are there, uh, are there, uh, the mounds?

Uh, mounds in Montana. Eastern Montana around the Maddan village. There's a few, but not like what's on the east coast in the, in Tennessee, Kentucky. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The mounds there.

Most of here, I'm sure it's burial. Okay. And you don't, I respect the natives here. Sure. And I don't believe in disturbing them. Absolutely not. If I can get one to talk to me and once you really get snore, they will, open up. I'm hoping this year to sit down with the chief of the Blackfoot up here on out of

Arleigh. Oh, wow. And sit down with him and the medicine man to talk to him. They know who I am. But it's taken years to build if I'm that close. That's the thing people don't understand, I think, is how long it takes to create relationships like that. It will literally take years. and today's culture doesn't get that in a world where you can just click, I want to be your friend. It's not like that. You have to spend years, you know. Yeah.

And then the other one, too, if you look at, during the pandemic, the reservation, the big one, the black one east of the divide, it was shut down. It was closed. You couldn't go in there. Oh, wow. Up here, because you have to drive through to get, uh, one. Flathead Lake. Now Flathead Lake, Desmond reports of footprints, something stinky walking on the east side of Flathead Lake. Really?

Yeah. So, you know, they're here. We don't hear a lot. There's more Bigfoot sightings in Montana than most people realize because we don't talk about it. That's our problem. We're not talking about it. Gotcha. Yeah, I got it.

I got it. Thank goodness for the Montana. a Bigfoot international research group. You guys are trying to get all the evidence together. That's awesome. And it takes time. I got to have it before I die. Come on now.

You'll get it. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Plus, I'm going to try this year. I'm actually going to do gold prospecting to see if that will try. Oh, you are? Yeah.

Oh, wait. So, oh, you're going to, you're going to prospect for gold. Hopefully you'll get some big foot evidence at the same time. Okay. Yeah. Well, yeah, be careful. You got those stories of up in Canada where have you, you know, like the prospectors and the, you know, just have your eyes behind you, I guess. Don't let anyone sneak up.

You're a good sense of smell. There you go. There you go. And that. So. But I really appreciate them having to come on board. Like I said, this is my first time I've actually talked to somebody about experiences. and what we're doing and everything.

Yeah. Yeah, Ken, I appreciate you coming on in chatting tonight. This has been a really, really fun chat. There's more going on in Montana than I realized. Do you mind taking a few minutes? If you have any closing thoughts, definitely say those, but remind people how they can keep up to date with the Montana Bigfoot International Research Group and how they can contact you and all that.

stuff. Yeah, they can contact me through my email, Dogman 129 at MSN.com. It's on the domain, the www. The Montana Bigfoot Research Group.com. My Facebook group is the Montana International Bigfoot Research Group. Bigfoot, yeah, international research. But it's on Facebook. You can find it on there. We are private. If somebody wants to join, please answer the questions. Yep. Because they automatically declined. And we got to set up that way. We're not a large group, but we're building.

We're slowly building. And when we have people that have experiences, they're talking about it, we finally got them to talk about it. And even if you're in Montana and you're coming through and want to spend some time on a field research, get a hold of me. Awesome. We'd welcome. We'll take you out there.

And it'd be part of it. You might be there when we finally find that one thing we're looking forward to prove what we're looking for. I think how neat that would be. That would be very cool. Ken has been a delight chatting with you, and I'll definitely be probably touching base with you again in the future. And yeah, it would be a good time. But thanks so much for coming on, Ken. Well, thank you for having me.

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