Bigfoot Society - "We Found the Lost Ape Canyon Mine"

Episode Date: September 9, 2023

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, I was able to chat with Braden and Jarod Mitchell, great grandsons of Leroy Perry Smith, who was the youngest of the original 1924 Ape Canyon Miners. A special thanks to Marc Myrsell, Ape Canyon historian for also being a part of this interview with his unmatched knowledge and expertise.Resources: Marc’s website - “monsterhistory.net” - https://tywhalegalaxy.wixsite.com/monsterhistoryFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009322918254WATCH THE IOWA EPISODE IN THE “SASQUATCH: A SEARCH FOR SABE” DOCUMENTARY SERIES BY TATE HIERONYMUS // FIND OUT ALL ABOUT MY FIRST BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo8O4rvywzECall the Bigfoot Society BIGFOOT ENCOUNTER hotline! Have you seen a Sasquatch and would like to get what happened “off your chest” but don’t have time for an interview? NOW YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR TIME AND SHARE IT WITH THE WORLD! Share it here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsocietyTo unlock more bonus content and much more, become a supporting member of Bigfoot Society by joining the Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyBecome a Youtube Channel member here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinSupport Bigfoot Society one time by buying me a coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsociety To pick up a Bigfoot Society shirt, stickers and more, check out our merch by heading on over to https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietySend me a voice message to potentially be used for the show by calling 515-809-0165 Here’s a fun prompt - “Hey, my name’s [your name] and you’re listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast!”If you’d like to send me fan mail, Bigfoot related products to check out or written out Bigfoot encounters then you reach me at the following address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072Join our private Facebook group "Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters" for a chance to connect with others who have had similar experiences. Follow the directions to ensure your entry is accepted.https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_linkTune in to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q) for new episodes of Bigfoot Society, and visit our website (www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com) for all the links mentioned above and more.Don't miss out on the Bigfoot action! —— Affiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.—— MY GEAR —— My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYMy Podcast Mic: https://amzn.to/3AlYwb9My Computer: https://amzn.to/40CCjQyMy Headphones: https://amzn.to/40A8gcrMy Webcam: https://amzn.to/3Nqfddh The best Bigfoot book: https://amzn.to/41x8IcN Lose the weight along with me on Noom. Get 20% off your subscription with link below. (Consult your doctor first) https://noom.com/r/GdkaWNddL?1251Join Whatnot and pick up some sweet video games and vintage shirts. Use my link below and we both get $10 credit after you place your first order. https://whatnot.com/invite/bigfootsocietyLearn more and up your creative game with Skillshare. Use my link and get a $50 gift card. https://share.skillshare.com/bigfootsociety

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All right, Bigfoot Society, we've got the privilege of talking to an old friend, Mr. Mark Mercell, and we also get a new friend Jared Mitchell with us. tonight. Mark, how's it going? Oh, excellent. Thank you so much. Of course, you and I are friends and I try to be a good friend of the Bigfoot Society podcast. So we always have a great time when we see each other either on the podcast or some once in a while in person. So yeah, thanks. Thanks. It's good tonight. Thank you. Absolutely. Last time I saw Crypti Khan was a great time. Always fun meeting people in person. And Jared, how are you doing tonight? Doing good.

Just relaxing at home. Awesome. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Definitely. Do you guys mind taking a few minutes introducing yourselves why it might be important for our listeners to listen closely to what you have to say tonight? Sure. Well, actually, Jeremiah, I should ask you to tell all of the great listeners and

viewers why this is important, but let me take the first shot at it. My name is Mark, and I am a lifetime land surveyor in northwest Oregon and southwest Washington. And the reason why I am talking with Jeremiah tonight is because around 2014, 2015, I had been doing some research on an old historical event that took place in 1924 and before and after 1924. And it basically became my sort of midlife crisis of re-researching the 1924-8 Canyon incident on the east slope of Mount Sin Helens. And getting into at first the historical document research, I realized that the cabin that was revolving around this 1924 attack

by a band of mountain devils onto a group of gold miners up there. I started to think that the cabin and other features of the site may have survived the eruption and subsequent eruptions, but the first one was 1980. So around 2011, I started going up there and poking around a lot, about four or five trips or so by myself. And then in 2013, I had made it each trip was a little bit further down the slope, a little bit further down the east side of Pumas Butte. And then in 2013, with friends, I found that, yes, the cabin was there, we were able to find the foundation of the cabin, some of their tools that was left behind where this 1924 attack took place. And subsequent trips found other evidence of the Abe Canyon incident of 1924.

And then once that word got out of the evidence, the field evidence that I found, which seemed to back. up the historical record, the document record, then the Bigfoot research community kind of went nuts and started inviting me into other research projects and have supported me greatly. Since then, the Abe Canyon project and any project research project is never really done. There's more to do, but the reason why we had Jared Mitchell and hopefully other Mitchells on, One tonight is because last Sunday there was even more ever found, not by me, but by the Mitchell clan. And that's why we're talking to you here today, because I am thrilled. I was up there last July 10th on the exact day of the 99th anniversary of the attack. And, well, yeah, there's a little bit more work to do.

but basically this case is wrapped up. It's not wrapped up. As of last Sunday, the Mitchells got some hard, hard, exciting evidence. And I am 18, 19 years old again. I have so much energy. There's so much more to do. I am extremely excited about what we're going to talk about today. It's so cool to see this project just have new life.

breathe into it. And the Eighth Canyon is such an amazing part of Bigfoot history. You know, you'd said Mountain Devils, but it comes, it's Bigfoot history. And just to see even more come into it through what Jared and Braden and Jake were able to do is just really,

really cool. Jared, I'm excited to have you on tonight, Mark, but is there anything, that you would like the listeners to know about yourself. I'll say the obvious, of course, that you are one of the great-grandsons of the youngest of the original 1924 minors, who is Leroy Perry Smith, which is just incredible. Any other interesting details we would want to know about you, Jared?

None in particular. Just we kind of fell into this. all when Mark reached out to my grandma and that kind of started the whole thing, got our interest in it. And since then, we've been just kind of really hounding into all of this. And now we've come this far. And it's like Mark said, just really gets you going and gets you excited. And I can't wait to see all the information that comes out of this. Incredible. Mark, do you mind sharing a little bit? I hear that little detail there. So you reached out to Jared's

grandmas, is what I heard. Yeah, I did. First, let me make a commentary on what Jared just said. I've gotten to know some of the Mitchell Klan. Let me briefly for all the Ape Canyon nerds out there, give a brief pedigree for Jared and the family. In 1918, really the patriarch of going up and establishing a mine, the Vendor White Mine, the ape Canyon Mine, was his guy named Marion Smith.

And Marion had grown up in the Kelso Longview area, and he was the son of one of the earliest, earliest pioneers in the area, a fellow named Lorenzo Perry Smith. And so Marion was his son. And he grew up in the age of Big Tim. hauling out these monster, monster trees out of there with steam donkeys. And this was steam logging at the time. And so Marion was, you know, a mountain man, if you will. He was known as a very congenial, very, very straight, very nice man.

He had been up there and he had seen and hunted and fished everything that there was to see up there. In the ape canyon era of Mount St. Helens, Marion was not a spring chicken. During the 1924 attack, I believe Marion was about 64 years old. And so they started prospecting up there. And he had the help of his son-in-law, Fred Beck of Ape Canyon fame. He had, Fred had married his, Marion's daughter, Mabel. later on there were a cousin, Gabe Lefevre, a family friend named John Peterson, a couple of other family friends. But then prospecting, starting in 1918, he ended up employing his son, Leroy, Perry Smith, in order to go up there and they established the mine in 1922.

So at the time of Leroy's passing, he had Leroy and his wife had two kids, Roy Jr., and Betty, who married and became Betty Mitchell. And so I had reached out to Betty early on because I wanted to know the family's perspective. on the ape Canyon incident, which we can talk more about, the family's perspective about ape canyon. So I was able to reach out to Betty, and with the help of Jake's brother, Tyler, another cousin of Jared's, I was able to make contact with Betty

and got an audio interview with her. And then fortunately, on a conference last January, a Bigfoot conference last January. I was, the conference took place in Kelso, Kelso Longview, and I was able to get Betty on stage

in front of like about six or 700 people for a brief interview and a Q&A session. And frankly, Betty is incredibly well-spoken. And she's a wonderful woman. And she did great. and the frankly audience went nuts. Because I was talking about family history,

and that's part of evidence of historical Bigfoot research. And I talked about Leroy Smith and how I was able to get a hold of some of the family. And ladies and gentlemen, won't you please welcome to the stage, Miss Betty Mitchell. And, yeah, they went crazy. But I do not to give just a brief thing about what Jared just said. as I've gotten to know the Mitchell family.

Jared, I'm going to talk about you here for a second. The Mitchell family is incredibly soft-spoken and incredibly humble. I think that the Mitchell family should be like crowing like a showboater about how they relate to the ape canyon incident. It's like, you know, Jared just said, oh, yeah, we just went up there and we found some stuff. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah, nonsense. You made huge history, Jared.

I mean, huge, huge history last Sunday. And, you know, you didn't brag about it enough as he should have. But anyway, yeah, I've gotten to know the Mitchells. I've also been able to briefly a couple of times interview Rod Beck, Fred's grandson. So that's important information to edit the whole story. These interviews, oh my goodness. I know they're for your personal, your personal, your personal collection. And they help out with your future book, I would imagine as well, right, Mark?

Yeah. Yeah, you bet. Yeah, absolutely. Maybe someday I'll hear them. I don't know. I love, I'm a nerd, a bigfoot nerd. I love listening to interviews. That's why I do interviews.

But that's incredible. So you talked to, you talked to Betty. And then what was the, like, did she, like, what was the, what happened then? How did it turn into, okay, guys, Jared, how did it turn into let's go look for the mine? Like, how did that come out of that situation? Yeah, Jared, Jared, Jared, you take this one. Yeah, you bet. So I think it was around a year ago or a year to two years ago.

my grandma, she started getting really into her lineage because she's never really known much about that. So she went through all of this and it's kind of weird timing because about a year into all of that, that's when Mark found her. And that opened up this whole other can of worms that she's just always loved Bigfoot, always been into it. So obviously this excited her. So I was up there at her house and she's just. just going on and on about this, showing me the books about it, and just telling me all this

information. And I was like, you know, our family, we don't really keep in touch with everything history-wise with our family. So hearing all this and hearing that, you know, our ancestors have had a cabin in the woods and a gold mine and how significant of a story for the the Bigfoot community that this is, like, obviously it peaks your interest. You're going to want to get out there and you're going to want to find more. So about a year ago, I actually got a hold of Mark through the Pacific Northwest Bigfoot Museum. I message them hearing, oh, someone has a binder on me and my family. And I'd kind of like to know who has all this information on us.

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It's there, but it's not, you know. It's fallen in on itself and decayed over the years. and it kind of just kind of dropped off there. And but then my brother and my cousin got involved too. And that's where it kind of picked up like, hey, you guys want to go out there too. So, you know, they started talking to Mark as well and we got a little bit of information. And we went up there, me and my brother, and we attempted at one time. We had an idea where it was, but we didn't have all the information.

And so we ended up going up there a second time on Saturday with our cousin as well. And we learned some mistakes on hiking. And it kind of kept going from there. And eventually we got a hold of mark, got some more information, and we were able to find the cabin. And my cousin Jake, he's just this little billy goat of a person that he just wants to get there. So he keeps poking and prodding and he doesn't want to slow down. And he ended up getting down the cliff where we wanted to look. And he's like, guys, I think I found it.

And so, you know, hearts start racing. You start, you get down there. Rock misses your head a little bit, apparently. what they told me, but we did find it. And it's just a completely surreal experience to be able to find something like that, not just from the story aspect, but to think that, you know, our family hasn't been there in roughly 100 years. And no one's seen that cave for 50 plus years.

So just to finally see it, it feels kind of like you're just completing something for your family and not so much the Bigfoot community. It's just it's a different experience than I would have expected. Man, that's, that is so cool, Jared. Can you share a little bit for listeners who might not really understand how hard it is to get down to that area? Who? No, Jared.

I want to hear what you said. That's true. You both get, but I kind of want to hear. So, first, yeah. Yeah. Love you,

Mark, but some of your descriptions were a little more vague than I would have anticipated. One of, one of his directions was,

uh, there's two ways. One, a certain death. The other is the right way. Well, when you get down to that part, Mark,

um, there's actually kind of four ways because there's two dips. And, in the ravine right there. So we took the certain death way the first time. And so we kind of corrected it, and we ended up getting within 100 feet of the cabin,

but we didn't really understand where to go from there. So, and keep in mind, we had full packs on because we also thought, hey, we're going to just camp at the site. Well, there's no room. So we have full packs on and we got to go through divine maples and whatnot. We go the wrong way and we ended up going to the spring first. And pretty much we spent that whole day going everywhere around the cabin for about maybe two hours. And I mean, like, we walked right around it.

The fact we didn't find it was absurd. And so we had a call of the day on that. That was, I mean, we ran out of water. The trek down was just absolutely steep. And if you don't have rope, probably would not be the best idea to even attempt it. But it's very, very different. I mean, you got to think there's all the ash and the pumice up there. Everything's loose.

You don't really have good footing almost anywhere. So it's you're going down about 600 feet down the side of a cliff essentially. So it's definitely nothing to look at and laugh and think that, oh, this is going to be an easy trip, which we kind of went the mindset in. So definitely not the best mindset. Right. I want to make sure listeners realize this isn't park your car and then walk a few minutes on a trail that's nice to this undiscovered area.

Like you're, you're really, you know, I've talked to a gentleman, Craig Flippy before and, man, he, it was almost the end of them from what he said.

But Mark, do you have anything to add on, uh, how rough and wild it is to get to that area from what you experienced? Don't go there. Don't. Um,

actually my friend, my friend, my friend Brad, um, Jeremiah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to be distracted. I am sending you maybe a little bit on the email. Yeah, on the email, I'm sending you a little bit of a punchline to maybe. I sent you an image to wrap up the show.

A personal note from Jared, Jared's grandmother, Betty, which is like super cool. Anyway, you can share that if you want to. My friend Brad, who's been with me on pretty much every field trip up at ape Canyon, has told people, don't go up there. Don't. It is incredibly, incredibly dangerous. And it is. It's incredibly dangerous.

The first part, this whole scoop is that ape canyon, that the cabin site and the mine site, is on the north side of what we now call ape canyon. 1922, it obviously didn't have that name. It's on the north side of the canyon and it's on the east side of a butte. That beaute is called pumice but. And so what one does, I'm not going to give you detailed directions, but it's basically on the but it's basically on the north side of the canyon. You go up to the top of the butte and you go down. And Jared, I'm sorry about my vague descriptions in my vague directions, but I, you know, what else can I do? I told you and Braden, just wait for me, I'll take you right to it. It's really hard to describe. One of the hardest

parts is that it's incredibly rugged and it's incredibly dangerous. And I'm, I'm here in my chair in my office and I want to go over there 50, 75 feet on Pummus Bute. at Ape Canyon, that would take me an hour to go 50 or 75 feet. You have, okay, a good foothold. Maybe you've taken a shovel or pickax and you've chopped out a foothold. You step on it and it wants to slide out from all the pumice and scree and ash. Or you can combine that with what Jared talked about, about the vine maple. The vine maple is, you don't, I've never seen vine maple like this.

It's vine maple that is monstrous that's like 12 feet above your head and incredibly dense. It takes literally an hour to go explore something that's 50 or 75 feet away. So I'm sorry about my bad directions, Jared. You drew us a pretty decent map. I will say that. Once you're there at the cabin site, then yeah, then my map makes sense. Oh, 100%. Once you get there, everything clicks.

And it's just like, okay, everything makes more sense now. But one thing you might not know about us, Mitchells, is we're a little bit antsy and we don't have patience. So we kind of just go for it. No, no, that's totally cool. I got to say, you know, Jared, I don't know if you have this or not. But I'm going to send you guys an article, a two-part article from the Oregonian. The first one was July 19th and the second one was July 20th of 1924 where I think maybe we talked about this, where Jack Gregory, the sports editor, the sports reporter for the Oregonian, he went up there the week after the, or about the week.

after the attack. He was one of the few reporters that went up there, but he was one of the few reporters that didn't interview the minors. But what Jack Gregory did is that he went up through Kelso, for whatever reason he picked up one of the deputy sheriffs, a guy named Charles Dunbar, and his son, and they went up to Castle Rock, took a right, went up to Spirit Lake, and then took the trail south. basically following the minor steps. And they went up Pumasbute, down Pumas Bute, down to the cabin. What Gregory did in his article was he gave us about four or five photos. And the way that Gregory did the article was like Stanley's Africa, going into the deep, dark part of the Pacific Northwest, you know, I was being where these miners were attacked by eight men. So it was like a little bit of hyperbole.

But what Gregory did is that he didn't give us a step-by-step direction of how he came in from Castle Rock, Spirit Lake, down through the plains of Abraham, up Pumice Butte, down to the cabin. But he gave us enough clues and a few photos. basically that's what I had to work on in order to find the cabin site. Yeah, we don't understand how you found that. Well, that's going to take about a weekend of us camping out and a lot of beer. And I'll tell you all the details about how that happened. But yeah, the cabin site was found in 2013.

Basically, it was a lot of closed, but basically, Gregory's photos of the where you could see in these photos the trees that will cut off in order to build the cabin and you could see the stumps. I knew that if I could find

the rotten stumps down there, I knew I would be close to the cabin. I had confirmed with the Giverpinschill National Forest head archaeologist, a guy named Rick McClure that that slope had never been commercially logged. And you can tell because there are some big trees down there still that were prior to the eruption and probably circa 1924. That area had never been commercially logged. And I knew if I could find any rotten stumps that looked like

maybe they were cut down, maybe not. I knew I would be close. But basically in 2013, stumbling around we found one rotten stump, we found another rotten stump, we found another rotten stump, and I hit my metal detector, and we started finding nails, dug down about four, six inches in the ground, and that's where we found the foundation, the log foundation of the cabin, plus a corner, another line of the foundation, with the nails still driven into it. We found perhaps Leroy's spoon, Marion spoon, Fred Beck's spoon. We found a spoon and obviously twisted bail wire and I knew we had the cabman. Like what you said about my crappy directions and my crappy map, when I found that, all the rest of the clues all came together.

It's like, oh, geez, now this makes sense. now all of this makes sense. And so what you talked about previously, we got back down to the car the next day. And I told you last night, Jared, it was like, is this a dream? Is this real? You know, how can this be real that the cabin site

is probably there and probably we found And I think that's probably what you guys were seeing, feeling when you found out. Oh, yeah, the sense of pride that it gives you is, it's an interesting thing. Incredible. I'm going to, I'm going to bring in another interviewee that just is now on stage.

Perhaps he will show back up in a second. He just jetted out. but that's all right. We'll see maybe Braden in a few minutes. That was funny. Yeah, he said he was in, so I could text him and see if he can hop back on. Yeah, I was just bringing him on stage at all good.

We'll see what happens. But Jared, something I wanted to ask you is, what were the emotions? Actually, hold on. Let's bring in. This is in the middle. of recording for the episode. So you're currently on the Bigfoot Society podcast, but thank you for being on stage with Jared and Mark as well. We're talking about how you guys discovered the gold mine

just recently. How are you doing, sir? Good. Thanks, Jeremiah. Yeah. I'll hold like I just kind of heard a little bit of what Jared was saying, a whole lot of emotions, but a lot to process. Absolutely. I've got a question really for both Jared and Braden. And the question is, so you're going down to this area. But what are the emotions that are going through you? Because you've got in mind that, man, my ancestors were in this area and they were attacked by Bigfoot. What's going through your mind at this time as you're going down to this area of Braden? They're crazy. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts by temporarily delaying ovulation. Plan B is the number one OBGYN recommended brand and the only one that you can find at all major retailers in all 50 U.S. states. There's no minimum age requirement and you don't need an ID to buy it.

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you want kind of easier access. You wouldn't think. Well, dude, Jared, you go wherever the gold is. Yeah, but you wouldn't think to go down a freaking mountain to find the gold. Seriously. The fact that they chose that spot and made it there and did it, total just awesome dudes. Yeah, I got to say, now, I got to say, we talked about it a little bit about this before, before your show, Jeremiah.

Sorry, we talk amongst ourselves, is that, you know, for so much of the Abe Kenyon story, I feel that the Bigfoot research community has relied too heavily on Fred Beck and Ronald Beck's book about, you know, the source. story. I mean, yes, for the first part of Fred Beck's book, his retelling or Ronald's retelling of the 8th Canyon story, is more or less accurate. There's a few minor points that don't hold up to the 1924 newspaper and document record. But for the most part, yeah, it's right. But there is a point where they started out in 1918 going east of Woodland along the Lewis River. And then they started headed north. They were prospecting looking for placer locations along the Lewis River. And they're like, forget it. Let's just go north. And they went north just south of Mount St. Helens. And mind you, there was logging activity up there,

headed up towards north of the Lewis River, headed up towards Smith Creek. But there wasn't a lot of logging activity headed up that way. So these guys were just beaten brunt. They were going up there a little bit by truck on the road, but these guys were just beaten brush. And then all of a sudden, it was basically like, hey, there's a large, deep, treacherous box canyon. Let's mine for gold on the other side where there's a 200-foot drop-off for certain death. Why and how they decided in 1922 to blast that ledge and start tunneling in by dynamite. and hand tools,

I have no idea. It's the most crazy, stupid, precipitous place to start a gold mine. Absolutely. I mean, the odds are stacked against you. Yep. But hey, like you said, you know, if that's where the gold is, I guess you're going to do whatever you can to make it happen. That's true.

You got to go where the gold's at. Brayden, I'd love to get your viewpoint of, what it was like when you guys finally got to the mine what did you notice about the mine all that good stuff oh geez I was actually the last person

to come up on it Jake was the first our cousin and we knew just by the little you know the little noisy made that he found it and in that instant Jared like let's go of the rope

and starts taking fast little steps towards him Jake's like no no take it Go slow. And, you know, I'm still working my way down the hill as well. And so being the last person to see it, they were already down there inside it and giggling and hooting and hollering. And just that feeling, that rush, when you finally lay your eyes on it, it, I wasn't ready for it. I can say that much.

It must have been incredible. And so really, you know, I'm sure there's a few. people in the audience that are like, were you able to walk inside the mine? Was it like you had to clear stuff out of there or you could actually go in there and kind of crawl around? Like, tell

me more about that. A little bit. So what it looks like has happened, my opinion, is for the last 100 years and the eruption, rocks have been coming, you can kind of see in Jared's picture there.

Rocks have been falling down that. And over time, dirt and sticks and debris have been piling up. So it's basically buried the entrance. You can tell that it goes farther, but we couldn't fit in there. Maybe a small child could, but we couldn't. And we weren't about to try. Don't lie. Jake was about to try.

I mean, you're that far. Right? Like, why not? It's, man, it's so tempting, you know. You want to follow the rules. you don't want to do anything to, you know, land yourself in trouble out there. But man, it's like you've made it this far.

What's, you know, just a little bit more. In the picture that is on the screen, I don't know if your streamers or any of that can see it, the picture doesn't do the entrance much justice. The entrance to that must have been massive because all the rocks that have piled up, I mean, we're talking 100 years of piling up, it could easily be cleared down to what looks like the ledge that they blasted out,

probably about 10, 13 feet down. That's about what I'd say too. So you've got about 10, 13 feet of rock pile that if that was removed, I'd almost guarantee that opening would open quite a bit up and you'd probably have full access. That's what we're thinking. I'm hoping. Hey,

Hey, Jeremiah, can you go back to the other mine entrance picture really quick? Yes. That one. So Jared and Brayden, there's all, obviously,

there's a huge pile of scree, but right in front of the entrance, there are two large rocks. Do I understand, obviously, Jeremiah, I haven't been, I haven't been there yet. I told Braden and Jared and Jake,

yesterday. I was ready, when I got this info on Sunday night, I was ready to pack up and go down like six in the morning to go down and check out the minutes. I haven't been there yet. From what you guys just described, do I understand that I'm going to go into the mine and I'm going to step over those two large rocks in the, sort of in the mid of that picture, then I'm going to go down into the mine and, and, and, that whole fill, I'm going down like 10 feet or so.

Maybe not quite. But it looks like there might be about five, six feet of rubble that needs to go, get out of the way. It does look like the mine kind of goes down a little bit, but it's mostly flat. Yeah. And it can look like it goes down because of the rubble that's in the way. I mean, it could be distorting. underneath what would be the roof. You can see

it goes down under and you can see the rocks that have fallen it. When you see it, Mark, you'll fully understand. It's a little hard to explain, but you'll see in there and you'll see that yes, this rock, if you move some of it, I guarantee

that there's more back there. It looks like the rock to the right was the rock that they kind of followed and the rock to the left, it's all banged up and blasted, I think, was the rock that they were digging out of there. It looks like they kind of tried to, at least from what I could see inside the mine, it looks like they kind of followed that rock on the right a little bit, kind of followed it around. There's one thing now, mind you, I have never, I've never dug a mine, which may be a shocker to you guys, but I've never dug a mine. What I've seen from other evidence of minds of this period is that they would use a hand drill, a star drill, literally just like a bit with a star on the end and with a sledge.

And the star drill would drill a hole at X amount large enough to fit a stick of dynamite in. And that's all they were doing. They were just drilling a hole enough to stick a piece of dynamite in. And then they would set off a dynamite in order to blast it. What I'm seeing from your photo, particularly on the left-hand wall of the mine entrance, I'm seeing a groove that kind of goes horizontally, which is indicative of someone setting a hole for, like, hey, let's stick in a, stick a dynamite in there. One thing that we all need all four. We were finding multiple of those, those little drill marks.

Okay. At least that's what we thought. We were finding multiple of those. One thing that we all, four of us, need to understand, along with the viewers, is that in 19202, when this mine first started to get made, mind you, this mine is today 101 years old. dynamite, you could go down to the hardware store and you could get a pair of pliers and maybe a sawblade and a box of dynamite. Dynamite was credible because this is Kellett's County. And Lewis County and Clark County, this was logging territory. And so going down to the hardware store to get a pipe branch, you could get a box of dynamite too because that's what everyone needed in our area.

primarily change to the negative the good old day because mainly not so much for mining but dynamite was used like crazy for logging activity in the early 20th century so picking up a box of dynamite was like nothing it was easy to dynamite so it was easily accessible man that's crazy to think though you know guys you're in front of the mind did at any point you have a thought that

was something like they're straight up a big foot in that mine right now looking at us do you ever do you ever have that thought at all i don't i don't know but i'll tell you a story that some people might take and run with a little bit all right um up there you're going down you're tie it off. You got this rope that's kind of rubbing up against the rocks, and I think that's maybe what did it. But out of nowhere,

we're coming down the cliff and this boulder starts hurtling itself at Jared. I mean, it's coming right for him, and I mean, Jake and I are panicking, freaking out trying to warn him. I feel like I

couldn't even find words. Jared is slowly reaching down to pick up a cool rock and it flies right over him. He had no idea what was going on. Jake and I were, you know, crap in our pants. We just about watched Jared die and he was none the wiser. Just big boulder. I mean, fist-sized, it would have just ruined him.

Really? Wow. So do with that what you want. That's an interesting story. I still think it was the rope, but. Well, yeah, wait a minute. I think it's you. I've never.

Like, this is awesome. I've never, I have never gotten that much detail out of you, Braden. I always assumed that somebody dislodged a rock and it bounced. Was this rock, would you say it was Ariel born? I mean, Braden, I don't know, did it come through the trees or was it just like... See, that's the thing is I wasn't looking up at where it had come from. I was looking at Jared and my focus was there. So to be honest, I was in panic mode and I couldn't tell you.

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Mabelene, New York. Picture the two of you sitting side by side, a Mai Tai in your hands, and the sounds of Hawaii around you. You almost forget you're on a plane. And that's the point, because when you fly with Hawaiian Airlines, it's hard to tell where your flight ends and vacation begins. Hawaii starts here. It didn't perfectly bounce over my head, though. Sorry, Jared.

I don't know. Maybe the local inhabitants were like, crap, you know, this Smith Mitchell family are back after 100 years. I thought we drove them out like 99 years ago and they like want to get rid of it. They're going close. Oh, there's that smell again. We did have, you know, you're up there. You're joking around.

We did have moments of, you know, we've got to finish what we started. There's, you know. We're up here tracking our grand. And pappies kill. That's wild. Yeah. I told, let's see, we're at 725 on the Pacific time. Let me just take a moment.

I don't know. I've told Jeremiah this before. I don't know, Braden and Jared, if I ever told you guys in 2013, it was a trip. We found the cabin site, got back. we camped in a slightly different location than you guys did. But there's five of us that Saturday night. And we, the sun's just going down. We're, if you're, I'm giving you a perspective.

If you're on the trail, I think I saw your picture where you had kind of camped at the base of Pumasbute. we camped up up on top of the other Butte. And it was 8.30, 9 o'clock, it was the third weekend of June in 2013. And a friend who was there named Ben, it was like, shut up, shut up, shut up, come over here to the edge. And about a quarter mile down the basin and up the ridge, just a. to the south of Mount, just to the south of Mount St. Helens,

sure, we could all hear it. And it was it was row, it was howling, chattering sounds that lasted a long time. And we listened.

And it went on for a minute or two, three minutes. And then to the left of that, maybe a thousand feet headed south towards the Lewis River along the ridgetop, there was an answering call. And it sounded just like Ron Moorhead's Sierra sounds. Really?

This went on and on and on and on and on. By the end, well, that wasn't the end. It was the end for us because we just went to bed and pulled the sleeping bags over our ears. By the end, there were about five, I heard a fifth one way down the muddy river along that ridge. And the five of them were just talking back and forth to each other all night long until we went to bed. And presumably talking about us. And it was strange because I was in my tent trying to make all the sounds go away. because I was kind of freaked out.

And I remember I'm hungry, and I'm eating some trail mix. And I was chewing on a nut in my trail mix, and I broke a crack in my tooth. I cracked a tooth. And that was part of Fred Beck's story. Yeah, really. And begged Marion to take him to the dentist. And Marion was like, no, the gold's still good. I'm not going to take you to the dentist.

and I remember cracking my tooth on the trail mix. I was like, we're going to die. We're going to wrap us up like a burrito for you discovering the dining cabin and take us home. That's it. Oh, man. It is funny how history repeats itself, isn't it? Absolutely. Yeah, totally.

Jared and Braden, there's probably a few people that, if I don't ask this question, they're going to just blow up the comments on YouTube. And the question is probably, so did you guys find gold in the mine? I wish. Man, even just like a piece of courts or something that we could come home and show our grandma, I feel like that would mean the world tour.

But no, unfortunately, we did not get deep enough. But hopefully the future has some really cool surprises for us. Who knows? I don't know. Yeah, definitely. And, you know, part of that is Jake brought his little pickax hammers, and he said, well, if I bring him today, we're not going to find it. Yep.

But if I leave him here at our camp, we're probably going to find it. Well, he left him there at camp and we found it. Yeah, he made the better decision. We had such a hard day. We were not going up back for it. That would have been, I mean, we were telling Mark yesterday, we didn't, we weren't just on that area. We ended up crossing onto an entire different area and going about maybe a mile or two past it on the side of the mountain, just kind of exploring. Just we went on the ridge where we believe he shot at Bigfoot the first time.

Yeah, a little side quest. I'm frustrated. I hate to tell you, Jared. I know that it felt like a mile. It wasn't. It was probably like 30 feet. It was like 300 feet or something like that. It's not.

Well, you know, we were tired. So as far as I'm concerned, five miles. Yeah Yeah, but that was a pretty neat little side quest We, you know, in search of the cabin location, We started poking around and we're like, well, this isn't it, but this is kind of cool So we kept following the ridge down presumably where it ran to hide and get away, right? There's a couple little goat trails over there that you can follow

And I stepped on a wasp nest, got stung. That was cool. Yikes. but yeah we just went until we couldn't go anymore and then turn around um i got i got to tell you jeremiah um uh brayden and jared and jacke and i have talked about this um i'm in contact uh with uh good sources with the volcanic monument and gifford and show national forest they know they know about the mine discovery last sunday and they're like wow Hell yeah. Keep going with your research. They're really, really jazzed about it. So I have good contacts with the Forest Service and the volcanic monument about that. Also, I have a very, very good friend whose name is Ty, and he's a chemical geologist that specializes in basalt. And I've sent him, I think mainly Jared's photos. And so, with,

With the permission of the volcanic monument and the Gifford Pinchot show, what our plan right now is to take, is for me to go down and just take a Ziploc bag of samples and basically have a rudimentary chemical assay of the dirt, rock, gravel that is at the mine entrance. because that's going to be an important part of the ape canyon story. How much gold per ton really is in the vendor white mine? Wow. Nobody can mine it legally right now. There's no way that gold is going to come out of that mine by human hands, but it's going to be important to know how much gold is actually in the vendor white mine. So we can compare that with Fred Beck's story.

That is incredible to think about who currently owns this, this mine, Mark. I would assume you know the answer to this. I do. It's the United States of America. Okay. O'Re. Well, that was kind of an easy one. Come on now.

No, all, ever, ever since the United States of America settled all of the land, disputes with Britain and Russia and everyone about the Oregon Territory, the United States government has owned all that time for the past 170 years, all underground mineral rights, including this one, including the underground mineral rights in your backyard, Jared and Brayden. You think that you have uranium in your backyard, but it's not yours. It's the United States government. And so what these guys did, what particularly Fred Beck and Marion Smith did is that they laid the claim with location notice in 1922. Okay, there we go.

And then we also have the proof of labor. The proof of labor needed to be filed every year or a year. or every two or three years. And what the proof of labor is is that you file a document after you've laid a mineral claim, in this case, and you say, I have moved this much ore, these are how many days I worked, so on and so forth. And at the time in the 20s, if you had filed your proof of labor, which is signed and witness, over a statutory period of time, then those rights, those underground mineral rights,

would transfer to you to have you own it indefinitely until you sold it to someone else, just like a piece of land or a house or whatever. The problem is that this is the only proof of labor two days or two years after the mine was established. It needed to be five to seven years, which was not done. That's a bummer. Sorry, you guys. Well, the exciting part about this document, because I'm a history nerd, is that if you look at this document closely, it says that all work was completed on July the 10th, 1924.

They said, we worked these many days, we moved this much ore or whatever, but all work was completed on July the 10th, 1924. That was the night of the attack. Oh, snap. Apparently the assays from the gold mine were good, according to Fred. And also, Marion said that as well. The assays were good. They were getting gold out of it. They still had, let's say, July, August, September, October, November, you've got to be out of there.

They had about three and a half more months of weather to continue gold mining. But they were like, no, all work is done on July the 10th, 1924. Something must have scared them off. Huh. To not complete. Maybe. One thing too, and I like to try to think of the logistical explanations and such too. And it's hard to imagine that he was telling this story to scare people off of their gold

because what it did is it created one of the biggest man hunts in world history. I mean, we're still looking for the guy. But, I mean. Yeah, it's true. It was called the Great Ape Hunt of 1924. They had a guy from England over here even. That's right. That's right, man.

Yeah, that's exactly right. It was so much so that the Scomania County Ranger required that everyone checked their guns before they went into the National Forest. Because there were bullets flying everywhere trying to shoot them. big guy, right? Yeah. It was a great A-pound that lasted for the rest of 1924 up there. And so what you're, you know, I'm thinking of the explanations there.

Go ahead. That one in particular, I mean, I've heard that one a couple times. The rolling rocks onto the cabin, the YMCA boys. I mean, Mark, you know, because you've been there. It's laughable. possible it's not possible if you've been there you you get it no those kids didn't do that you know also also i have uh arguable document proof uh that the ymca boys were not there on thursday day i have document evidence on wednesday night they were there on wednesday night but they weren't there

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Wow. That doesn't surprise me. That, to me, was one of the least likely explanations, especially after seeing it. Yeah. And mind you, the YMCA Boys Camp, Esperic Lake, was five or six miles away. Yeah.

And in dark and cliffs. Yeah, that's to me the least likely explanation. And the one, I can't remember the gentleman's name that said he was making the tracks and that he apparently rolled some rocks down a hill onto a cabin in 1924. Jeremiah, that came from Rant Mullins. That came from Rant Mullins. He was a big battle with Ray Wallace over big stompers. Yeah, no.

Wet Mullins may have been there. But, I mean, all it takes is Jared and Braden for you guys to be there and me being there. So he's walking along the trail and he knocks a couple rocks off. Those rocks are not going to hit the cabin. and all you got to do is be there. Look at you, Braden. You're like, no. It's like, that's not going to hit the cabin.

Rent Mullins was coming back from a fishing trip from Crane Lake to the south. And, yeah, he knocked a couple of rocks off. And that's where the story, that's where the story came from. Yeah, nonsense. Yeah. The fact, he just happens to be hiking above the, no. No. No.

That's too crazy, dude. After seeing it, you know why it's not possible. It's... Yeah. Guys, it's been awesome talking to you. I have one final question because I want to respect the time of all three of you. But to Jared and Braden, what was it like when you were able to tell Betty, we found the mine? Like, what was the reaction that you got when you were able to tell Betty?

convey that information. Well, I wouldn't hear this, yeah. Yet to have seen her in person. My cousin has called her so far, but we still need to go up there and tell her the story and show her the pictures. And to be honest, we're kind of bad grandsons. We should have done it already. But we need to.

We need to get up there and talk to her. Yeah, absolutely. Tell her what we've seen. Maybe we could get that planned tomorrow or the next day. Well, let's see what Jake's up to. Jake said that she was kind of in disbelief and pretty excited. Oh, you guys. I'm not that he's grandson, but I'd love to go with you.

Oh, my God. I'm sure you would, Mark. I don't think Papa would like that. No, if there's one person whose opinion matters to me on all of this, it's hers. And if there's any, I mean, if we could find something to bring her and show her, that would make it all worth it to me. That's to me the biggest goal.

Yeah. And I think the coolest thing that could come from this is definitely bringing her something from that mine, whether it be a rock to a bucket that was left behind if anything like that was possible just for her to have. I think that would just mean so much to her. But we definitely need to respect, you know, all the officials at the park. That's true. That is number one for sure.

Mark, you had asked me to share this near the end of our conversation. If I can read this out and I thought it was a full one, I have this crazy little zine called Mountain Devil. It's just like a few pages long. I'm working on Jeremiah, I swear to God. I'm working on the big ape canyon book, which I'm nearly done with it. You know, anyway. Yeah.

You know, so I, we talked about this, Jared and Braden and I, and I had to, I was in conversation with Betty Mitchell. Lee Roy's daughter. And then I had to take a break for it, take a break from it for a little bit. And I had this conference up in Seattle. I'm standing there at this conference, and there are these big picture windows.

And I'm standing in the audience listening to Shane Gorson speak. And a car pulls up. I can see through the picture windows into the parking area. And the car pulls up, and this guy, young hipster, gets out. And I was like, is that Tyler? Is that Tyler Mitchell? And he goes around to the passenger side and he opens the passenger door.

And an older woman with silver hair steps out. And I'm like, oh, my Christ. Is that Betty Mitchell? And he leads his grandma into the conference and introduces me to Betty. that's the first time I've ever met her. And that was the day that I got the audio interview with Betty. And so I have this little zine called Mountain Devil. And Betty's like, I want to buy one of your zines and I want you to sign it to me.

I'm like, absolutely. I'm not going to sell you one of my zines. I'll sign it to you, but I'll tell you what, I will sign a zine over to you and you sign a zine over to me. And so I'm just like, Betty, I'm just like, Betty, I'm. I love you, Mark Mercell, that blah, blah, blah. And she is writing and writing and writing and writing and writing. And she hands it to me. This is copy, whatever, 36.

And it's Betty Mitchell. It's a little bit cut off, so I have to read it for memory. But this is what Betty Mitchell, his daughter of Leroy Perry Smith, wrote to me. Thank you, Mark, for letting me in on this story. that I never even knew existed, brings back memory, brings back my father's memory of him and my Uncle Fred back. They were good men who were the people you could expect the truth from. So I believe they told the truth at the bottom, Betty Mitchell.

And honestly, out of all of my Ape Canyon research, this is one of my most prized possessions. Oh man That is really And it means So much to her I mean You should you should honestly hear The way that she

She talks about you And what you guys I mean literally Yeah yeah she talks very highly of you I mean really That's nice You know reaching out I mean really

You guys kind of You kind of changed our lives a little bit I mean We wouldn't have it We'd be none the wiser I'd still be going to work, making my, you know, paycheck and keeping my head down. I wouldn't be hunting Bigfoot and lost gold mines and adventures and, you know. So I always have some things for that.

Yeah, oh, yeah, you're welcome. I will say, Mark, I'm really looking forward to that book that you're writing coming out because, like you said, it's hard to find the same. information and it's hard to determine which parts are the important parts of the books that are out. So the fact that we're going to have essentially a tell all. And I mean, from the work that I've seen you do, it's so thorough and accurate. We're just going to have so much to go off. And it's, I can't wait to read it and just get all the details. It's pretty exciting. Yeah. Jeremiah, I know, I know we're running long, but there's,

one thing I tried to get to in a project last night, which I won't drop names, but something that's great and injured, and I did, I didn't get to this last night. I want you guys to hear it. It's an old soapbox of mine. I was invited in the Bigfoot research community because of my preliminary research into Ape Canyon, right? And I learned very, very quickly. I was gracious. invited into the Bigfoot research community. And since then, I've met people with bigger, bigger brains than I will ever have. I've met, you know, microbiologists, microscopist. I've met anatomists, you know, all these names that I could name.

And I've met so many cool people in the research community. I, probably speaking, am the historical research guy. If someone brings me a cast, if someone brings me a photo of a print, I don't know what to do with it, but I do know who to send that information to have them look at it. I'm going to have Cliff Berkman look at it. I'm going to have Dr. Jeff look at it. If I have a sound recording, I'm going to send it to Chris Spencer or David Ellis with the Olympic Project. I don't know anything about this, but they have given me so many. leads on historical projects, historical Bigfoot research projects. And I am very, very grateful to them. And what is that's proven to me is friends working with friends, researchers working with researchers. And that's the only way that the Bigfoot research community and this database is going to go forward. That being said, Jared and Braden, you're part of that. You're my friend. you have established so much shit last Sunday that is going to go stellar for this whole project.

And that's part of my point is that it's friends working with friends. It's those who are interested. The networking of it. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So the book is the book. Who cares? But what I'm more interested in is.

A lot of people will care, Mark. You give yourself more credit. And I guarantee the first person that's going to want to buy one is my grandma. She's going to absolutely cherish that. Oh, no, no, no, no. She's getting number one. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

Man, I tell you what. I wasn't going to ask you to do that, but I'm glad you said that. No, no, no. Betty's getting number one, absolutely. But what I have to say is that with the mind discovery that you guys did, There is so much more to do. And I'm, you know, you're, I'm sorry to say, you're in it to win it now. You guys are part of, you're going up there with me.

You're going up there with me. So sorry, you just married yourself to this project. You're in the Bigfoot community now, guys. You are. Raiden and Jared, do you have any? I just hope we can keep up. Right. Well, that's the thing.

Do you guys have any closing thoughts about the discovery of the ape canyon mine before we wrap things up. Go ahead, Jared. Kind of just how surreal it is and exciting it is for all of this to come about and the different parts of the stories that this can pertain to and kind of keep the ball rolling with some ideas. Like I was mentioning last night

with when they shot the creature 16 times, they didn't know if it fell or, if it crouched down and crawled down, well, you know, seeing where the mine is, the possibility of it crouching down and crawling down that, I could see that. So that just, it opens up so many more different possibilities and gets people talking more, and that's exciting. I'm glad to be a part of it, and I appreciate you having us on. Thank you.

Braden, any thoughts? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, I, I, feel like we're not the kind of people that really cool stuff happens to. You know, I mean, just, we're not very lucky people. We really are.

It's a joke in our family. The Mitchell Luck is a joke. It really is. And for us to come out there in our third try, just stumble along. I mean, it's, it is, it really

is surreal. I mean, this is the, we're going to be talking about this for so long. We're going to be telling our kids and our grandkids about this potentially. Absolutely. And just be a part of it. We're going to have to take Ellie up there with you sometime. Take her?

My daughter, we're going to have to, I want to take her up there, and I think it's going to be amazing. And I want you to tell those campfire stories for you want to love. How old is she? She's 10 months, so it's a ways away.

You mean I actually have to take care of myself and not smoke and drink so much so I can take her up. I was going to say, this is not a kid's trip, Jared. This is not a kid's trip. You barely made it. 10, 15, that'll be old enough. Shut up. No, I'll all be around. We'll go.

Yep. Absolutely. And I am really looking forward to it. Really, it's, I like the people that we're meeting. You guys are all extremely friendly, really knowledgeable. As we uncover things, more and more questions are popping up. And I hope as we keep going that we answer those questions, whether we like the answer or not, you know, it's a heck of a time making this exploration. It's unbelievable.

It's fun. Absolutely. Guys, it's been so fun chatting with you. I want to call it, Mark, what's the best way people can get in touch with you? So I have a kind of bigger audience now, and there could be people listening that have never reached out to you about Ape Canyon stuff. How could they do that? Number one, the easiest way is through Facebook with my name.

However, I have to tell you is that I have a brand spanking new website. Yes, Mark Mercell as a website. Again, I didn't make it. My friend Ty, the geologist, made it. And it's a monsterhistory.net. And in there, there's a link with a new email connected with monsterhistory.net where you can get a hold of me. I have to contact my friend Ty to figure out how I can access that email

but you can sorry Jeremiah stop laughing you can get a hold of me through that email but the best way is probably just through Facebook and you can message me so fantastic Braden Jared just want to give you the opportunity if you guys have anything to plug

feel free to do it If not, we're golden. I just want to say hi to my grandma and my mom, and I want to thank my friends and my family. I want to thank Brandon for not pushing me down that cliff when I was there. Should be real thankful. All right, guys. Thank you so much for coming on tonight.

This has been a real fun chat. And I can't wait to see where this goes in the future. Yeah, me too. Jeremiah, thank you very much for having us on. This was a lot of fun. Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story.

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