Bigfoot Society - “We were chased out of the Iowa woods by four Bigfoot”

Episode Date: September 23, 2023

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you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel number. Links to those are in the show notes. In Bigfoot Society, I've taken far too much of your time. So let's get on with the show. Thank you for for reaching out. I'm really interested in this area. I always have this on my radar. And so when you approached me about it, I was like, oh, this is really interesting.

So yeah, I'd love to hear what happened to you guys. Yeah. And I, you know, I got to apologize to you. I'm not so nervous to, you know, to speak to you in, you know, this general. sense of, you know, possibly being on the podcast or whatever it may be, but just, you know, this happened on the 17th, so just Thursday. So I think, I don't know, I might have to take a couple of beat breaths every once in a while just because it happened so recently. So I'll just apologize now for that. So, yeah, yeah. My friend and I who this happened to,

We get out all the time, mostly in Iowa, but sometimes in some surrounding states. And we go arrowhead hunting and we look for agates and geodes and things like that. And I go fishing quite a bit. And every month of the year, even in Iowa, you know, when it's 10 degrees out or zero degrees out, I'm usually outside, even whether I'm ice fishing or, you know, sometimes you got to break through the ice for the geodes. but we're always out there. And so I've had some interesting experiences. And I've heard and seen tons of different types of wildlife.

I've also traveled all around the United States. I've seen, you know, pretty much any kind of megafauna you can see. I've heard them. So last Thursday, my friend and I, had planned to go to central Iowa where we knew there was a certain deposit a lithic shelf of a certain shirt material

that occurs and it occurs there and then it also occurs in northeast Missouri so we were going to camp in that general area Thursday night and then we were going to go down to northeast Missouri on Friday and we were kind of arrowhead hunting along the Des Moines River as we were making our way to central Iowa.

We were going to stay in the, just south of L.I.S. Iowa. And I actually had never been over there. I've been to a lot of places in Iowa and, you know, very rural Iowa as well, but I'd never been over by L'I. But so because we were stopping at so many different places along the Des Moines River on our way there. We didn't actually pull into the until probably 820, 8.30. So it was twilight when we came in.

And there's no electricity run through it. So it's just black at night. You know, it's just dark. And as we were driving through the forest, we actually came in. There are a few entrances you can go into this forest. we came in on the south side and we made our way kind of just due north through this certain tract

and I know there are several campgrounds you can stay in but we stayed in one that was you know I sent you the map of it but we stayed in one that's kind of like at the north central position in the forest so when we pulled in you know it's it's twilight and there's a little bit of light left but that light in the sky when you're in a forest is there's not much you know that you've got 70 foot trees that are just

black surrounding you and um in in this area in Iowa it almost looks like the driftless area a lot of really rolling beautiful rolling hills and deep ravines when there is woods when there is forest it's thick for Iowa at least a lot of forest and woods in Iowa really are just kind of remnant forest along rivers where farmers never tilt they have a lot of really deep ravines and kind of gulches almost some pretty nice little hills

so when we first rolled in to the park or the forest I should say we found the campground that we liked we hadn't planned it out to where we wanted to stay in that exact campground. We kind of knew we'd play it by ear, and we didn't figure there would be many people, if any, since it was a Thursday night. It was kind of hot, and it was so remote.

But so as we drove through the forest, we didn't happen to see any other vehicles or any other campers. And in this specific campsite, there was no one else staying. So I left my vehicle running for the first 10 minutes. that we got there to fill out the the kind of camping information, the little tag you fill out for your site. And then to set up, we had two tents.

My friend packed just a one-person pop-up tent, and I foolishly brought a six-person tent. I have a four-person tent as well, but my wife was using that at the state fair. She stayed with her parents there. So we set up the tents We get the fire going and it's you know It's probably 10 or 15 minutes of us doing that

I shut the car off and the lights off and It's pretty well dark by now There's not much of twilight at all left It's to my recollection too There was no moon that night and I at least I never happened to see one So after we get the fire going we both took our flashlights, which again, I usually camp with a MAG flashlight that has just like an unbelievable amount of lumens power to it. I sent that with my wife, though, so I just had my phone flashlight.

We were going around this campsite, which is probably, it's a cleared area that's probably 200 yards long, 150 yards long by 70 or 80 yards wide. And the width certainly varies throughout the campsite. We were staying in the southeast corner. So we made our way around with our phone flashlights. And we're just grabbing twigs and branches that had fallen. And we were checking the other fire rings to see if anyone had left any logs. when they put their fire out.

And actually, most of the fire rings still had grass growing at them. So I don't think people camp at this. Maybe they don't even camp in very much, and maybe there's a reason, you know. But they may just not camp at this particular site very much.

So when we were setting up the tent and getting the fire going, I heard a pack of coyotes maybe a half mile out, maybe a quarter mile away from us to the northwest. And I don't know that this really plays into the story, but I'll mention it. We heard them for maybe 10 minutes, and they kind of quieted down. They may have moved off to where I couldn't hear them,

or they may have just stopped making their noise. But I was at the northwest corner of this entire campsite, looking in the fire rings and then looking for falling trees and branches and probably a quarter mile off. I heard four consecutive sounds that I just couldn't place. They were really loud, but they were pretty far off.

And I could tell it came from something big, but I just, you know, I kind of went through the Rolodex of animal noises that I know as I heard it. And I couldn't place it. So I met back with, my friend at our

camping site and I said, hey, you know, did you hear that? He said, yeah. I said, was that an elk

bugling or something? You know, we don't have elk in Iowa anymore. I think they were hunted out by either the late 1800s or the early 1900s. I've certainly seen elk on farms

in the state, but I didn't happen to notice any elk farms near us. And this wasn't really an elk bugling. It wasn't that noise. I, uh, I was just trying to maybe even get an answer knowing my friend wouldn't have the answer,

but he kind of laughed at all and said, I don't know what that was, man, but I don't think it was no. And we weren't that concerned about it. I didn't think about it. So, you know, we kind of finished grabbing our wood around the side, and we then sat by the fire and got it going a little bit, but I only brought probably enough fire for, to keep it going until about three or four in the morning. And I wanted to kind of be conservative with it too

because I knew it was going to drop down in 50s that night. And if you've ever camped, you know, when it gets down to the 40s and 50s, it can be miserable, you know, even if you're dressed in layers and everything. So I like to keep the fire going when it gets that cold. So we had kind of a small fire going, but we were sitting around it.

he was to my left, my friend. And I started cooking a Bratworth over the fire. The way our site is set up, the specific one we were camping at, it's probably, I mean, it's pretty close to the wood line on the southeast corner. And I think we were, you know, maybe 10 or 15 yards away from the tree line. And it's been at this point, probably 15, 20 minutes since we heard the coyotes kind of quiet down and then those initial four loud noises that we couldn't place. It's just pitch black at this point.

The stars are kind of starting to come out. But again, there's, you know, in a forest that night when the stars are coming out, you can really only see, you know, a pretty select portion of the sky. just because all of the horizon is drowned out by the trees. So as I'm cooking this Bratworth, and I'm talking with my friend, we hear a sound 150 yards behind us diagonally to basically the northwest corner of the entire campsite.

And it sounded like big. came from, you know, an amplifier or a bullhorn or an air horn. It was so unbelievably loud. And if, I'm sure, if anyone does hear this, and even if no one does, and it's just you who hears this, I know there's no way you haven't heard it. So I'll just say, and the Sierra sounds, the very beginning and, you know, a little bit throughout the recording, you know, the sort of howls or the whoops that sound off in the recording. And it's so distinctive. It's such a distinct noise.

That's what we heard. And immediately following that from that same location, as soon as the whoop died down, there was that garbled, God, I mean, that mumbling chatter. same thing, you know, that you can hear in the Sierra sounds. And even though I've listened to the Sierra sounds countless times, because it's so unbelievably interesting and mind-boggling to me, and going into this experience, you know, I fully believed in Sasquatch,

because not only does it make sense, even though to a degree, it's hard to wrap your head around but I've also had experiences which I've reached out to you about recently but I didn't connect it to that at all you know not in the least as soon as I heard that

every hair on my body stood up just electrically it was just so unbelievably loud I've heard elk bugle before. I've heard cows, you know, when the calves are separated from their mothers and you hear them kind of crying out all night.

Or I've heard cows injured too in the unbelievable volume of their move. That's, you know, unbelievably loud in itself. But this just put that to shame. And we had to have been 150 yards. away from it. I could pinpoint exactly where this thing came from. It was just so strange. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. Hey, it's Sarah Spain. As a former college athlete, there were so many moments where I second

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So even having heard this year, it sounds so many times in my life, I still didn't, I didn't know what this was in the first moment or two. You know, I did the human thing again of sort of going through the Rolodex in my head of, you know, what was that? what biological creature, animal being makes that sound. And I came up with nothing.

And I turned to my friend and, you know, still knowing I wouldn't get an answer, but just, you know, it's also such a human thing to say, you know, what was that or give me an answer? I turned to him and I just said, you know, what the hell was that? You know, what in God's name? He made that noise.

And his face, was so i've known this guy for years and i've spent such an amazing amount of time with this guy he's a super close friend of mine um i've just never seen him this serious or he had such a grave look on his face and it was like he knew right away he said that had to be bigfoot and my first reaction even as a believer you know an experiencer i still said there's no way you know I'm like, you're full of it. There's no way. But as soon as he said that it was like it unlocked,

I don't know, this thing in my mind, and I immediately remembered the Sierra sounds like that. And I was able to connect that noise to something I'd actually heard before. And, I mean, my heart just sank as that sort of set into my head. Just the immediate acceptance almost was terrifying. because we're in the middle of nowhere. It's just so remote.

It's in the middle of nowhere in Iowa. Even if you leave the forest, there's nothing but agricultural fields around it. Other rolling hills, rivers, agricultural fields. So we were so remote. It's just pitch black. We're surrounded by woods. I hear this thing that I am realizing is Bigfoot.

and even if it's not, this is unbelievably loud noise. Unbelievably loud. So some of this just happened so quickly after this then. So, you know, I turn to my friend, I ask what the hell was that? He says it's Bigfoot. It sets into me that this is what this is. And then within seconds to our right and probably 50 or 60 feet in front of us into the tree line,

I hear tree knocks and I've never heard that before I've told you I've had experiences before I've gone into pretty detail as to what those experiences were with you but I've never heard tree knocks before I've never heard vocalizations like this in person and the tree knocks came in sequences of two

There were three sequences of two, so it was knock, knock, knock, knock. And it wasn't like I imagined a tree knock would be. I've heard people describe it where it sounds like, you know, someone's taking a Louisville slugger and just slamming it against a tree. And going back to the Sierra sounds, you hear that sort of ricocheting ping as these tree knocks are occurring in the recordings. This wasn't like that.

This was pretty loud, but it was almost like a muffled or a muted knock. I've also heard not just woodpeckers throughout my life, but different species of woodpeckers too. And there's such an unbelievable difference between, you know, any kind of a woodpecker. There's this sort of hollow resonance that sounds from their bill as they'd drill into a tree and it's they can do slow these sort of bats or drills into trees as they're you know going around and pecking into the tree but I've never heard one

keep a measured time in this way and I've also never heard one that sounded like this and I've also never heard a woodpecker at night I don't I'm not claiming that they don't make sounds at night but I've also never heard of woodpecker mountains at night, but I've just never heard one. So, as soon as we hear that tree knock

off to our, kind of diagonally to our right, you know, I turn to my friend again, I say, okay, we gotta get out of here. Like right now, you know, we can either pack up or I don't care at this point, we can leave all of her stuff. We got to get out of here.

Because I know what's happening now. You know, there's a call and a response. So we have two of them. And I maybe generally know where they are, but I can't see them. I don't know what they want. I don't know what they're doing. But we also didn't go into this experience looking for this at all. You know, I listen to Bigfoot podcasts all the time.

I read accounts online all the time. I read historical accounts. that seemed to be related to big foot or Sasquatch all the time. I don't want to experience them anymore. The idea of running into something like this in the woods or even in a controlled setting just doesn't, I don't want that at all. I know some people want that to learn more or just people who haven't experienced it. And I totally get that. I totally understand that.

That's not why we went out to these woods. I don't know that they would be out there. I wasn't looking for them. So as my friend and I are having this sort of frantic, I don't know, just trying to come to terms, this conversation of, you know, what do we do? Because even though in my head I knew, hey, we need to leave, it was the strangest saying that we stayed and I didn't really understand why when I thought about it and when I talked about it.

I've told my wife this story probably four times now. You know, maybe the third or fourth time I told her, she said, it sounds like you guys were experiencing the sort of sensation of being prey you know if you imagine a rabbit they just sit still for so long until the

last second and then maybe they bolt or you know maybe that's their last second maybe they don't ever move and they get taken by whatever is praying upon them I don't know we we state I can't really explain We stayed in our chairs too during, you know, hearing this. I don't know.

I just couldn't move almost. I could. I could move my body around, but I just couldn't bring myself a stand-up. So we shined our phone flashlights into the tree line in front of us and behind us as well. And, you know, I didn't see anything. My friend didn't see anything. As we're shining our lights around us, trying to see anything. thing,

diagonally to our left. We hear something moving in the woods. And there's a sort of a subtle ravine that gets pretty, to be honest, I never went and looked at it before any of this happened while there were still some twilight. Sorry, I'm sitting outside on a gravel road. And every once in a while there might be a car that passes. I never went and looked at this ravine, but I could kind of see when there was still a bit of light left

when we first arrived that it seemed to go down in a pretty drastic sense, down to a pretty deep gulch, diagonally to our left, maybe 100, 200 feet off. That seemed to be where this movement was coming from that we started here. And it didn't last long, but you could hear something moving through the woods on two feet at a very slow cadence,

and it was breaking things as it moved. I don't know if those breaking branches on trees. I don't know if those breaking things that had already fallen to the forest floor. I've heard deer move through the woods. Usually you don't really hear them move through the woods, but if they are in a sort of lackadaisical mindset, you can hear them brushing against things. They don't really break things as they move through the woods.

This thing just sounded massive. And it just, every step that it took, you could hear things just cracking, breaking around it. So this just adds to the intensity of all this and the fear. You know, I've had some pretty wild close calls in my life.

I used to be pretty careless and reckless and pretty wild as a younger dude and I've had some pretty close to near-death experiences and if I'm being honest they're probably just near-death experiences things that happen so fast that you don't really realize until a moment after or ten moments after you know Jesus that's that was pretty close the adrenaline spike I had immediately during this was just through the roof

so we're sitting around the fire we now are aware that there's at least possibly three things surrounding us and they seem to be communicating and they may even be getting closer we're in a very hushed sense

having this conversation of just constantly saying, what do we do? You know, we need to leave. But again, we don't leave. I just can't explain it. And I knew from just the start of it that we needed to leave. It's just one of those, I don't know if it was shock or what, but it must have been another 10 or 15 minutes of us just sitting

looking back and forth in the dark around the fire every once in a while shining our flashlights in front of us in the woods behind us and we just don't see anything within that 10 or 15 minute window of us sitting and

I don't know waiting to see what happened next we heard a little bit of movement in the woods diagonally to our right where we heard the tree knocks and diagonally to the left where we heard this thing moving up, you know, through this, uh, this ravine. Not much. And, uh, the movements weren't anything dramatic. We didn't hear anything crashing quickly through the woods, nothing, uh, vocalizing, nothing like that. Uh, but every

time we heard something, it was, it was just like a life or death fear, you know, the, you know, the, you know, spiked the adrenaline all over again or maybe even higher than before. Um, So after this, I'll say, a 15-minute window of the initial noise happening behind us 150 yards or so at the northwest corner of this site. I should say also, as we're sitting around the fire, I'm on the right. My friend is on my left. Again, we have the woods 10 or 15 yards in front of us. and my vehicle is parked probably 20 feet behind me,

and my tent is set up kind of diagonally to the left behind me. If I could see around my tent into the clearing, and my friend had basically like a perfectly clear view of it. It's dark, you know, but with the flash that we could see a little bit of the clearing. So 10 or 15 minutes goes by. And we then hear, you know, it wasn't another whoop, but we heard such a loud vocalization that was so fast and so loud that I almost, I kind of can't wrap my head around what it was.

I guess I should say I can't explain how this noise sounded. But this is now 50 feet behind us to the left, you know, diagonally back to the left. And there's this really big tree that, as I've told the story, I said it looked like a cottonwood, but I never saw it in the daylight, and I didn't take the time to try to really see what it was as all this was happening,

but it was this big tree kind of back to our left behind us. And that seemed to be in the moment where this noise came from. So there's this unbelievably loud vocalization. And then it's followed by a sequence, of three other vocalizations that all happened was in such a fast succession that I can't imagine there was even a moment for this thing to take a breath, which tells me the lung capacity on whatever's doing this must be just unbelievable. So we hear this unbelievably loud vocalization behind us 50 feet back.

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And there were just so many accents in it just bap, blah, blah, blah. And I say high pitched, even though it was high pitched, for what I've heard in the samurai chatter, for a human being that's supposed to high-pitched. But as soon as this probably two, two and a half second sort of chatter vocalization happens, it then immediately goes into this, just like this just nightmarish yowl.

It sounded like what a mountain lion does that really mad territorial I'll sound like an idiot doing it but just sounds it's that really low, pissed off like get out of here, that territorial just mean, mean vocalization that they do but this was

I mean a mountain lion doesn't have anything on this vocalization this would have to be the size of a rhinoceros making, you know, if a mountain lion was 900 pounds or something, them. It was just so, so loud. And after that vocalization, there was more chatter that it did. And all of this was continuous. It was basically all one vocalization, but it was those four different things happening back to back. But so when we initially heard that loud yell or whatever

it was, we both jumped out of our seats because, and it was one of those things where I don't know that I've, I've jumped a million times out of fear in my life, but I don't know that I've ever truly junk, you know, my body might have, you know, arced before. I may have been scared up from something, but I jumped out of my seat truly. And as the following the sort of successions of vocalizations came after that. It's all within seconds of me turning around into the dark. And my friend who's to my left, and my tent is not impeding upon his view of this thing or whatever it may be.

You know, it's, what I'm trying to say is, I think this thing was using infrasound because the way my friend has described this to me, as we talked it out that entire night and the entire next day, the way he describes it is even louder than I'm telling you now. And I'm sitting you're saying it sounded like the biggest mountain lion, you know, eight times the size of a mountain lion. He thought it was even louder than that. And as we're turning around in the dark,

he almost like half said the word mountain lion. He didn't even say a full sentence. It was almost like he just said Mountain Lion. And then he said, she's coming right for us. And when he said that, I'm looking ahead in the dark where this noise is coming from. I'm sort of turning toward it. I can't see whatever it is. Even with the sort of backlighting of the fire,

I'm just looking into this this empty space basically when he said that I it felt like every one of my innards you know my heart down to my intestines just dropped into my pelvis it was the most sinking feeling

I've ever felt in my life and as I as I told my wife the stories you know one of the times I told her I realized what that was and I just broke down crying when I was telling her it was a subconscious acceptance of you're going to die in this moment

and before my brain could accept it, my body accepted it. Hearing that vocalization and me assuming what this was and then hearing my friend saying she's coming right for us that combination was just the perfect combination of something in my body saying, okay, you're going to die. And, you know, a second later, as she's, by the way, as I'm saying she, this is something in experiences usually, sometimes people see, you know, genitalia, they'll see a male and they'll say, oh, that was a male, or they'll see females. I'll say that was female.

I did get a look at this thing eventually, but it wasn't a good enough look where I can give an amazing description of what I saw by any means. When I'm saying female, it's totally just a sensation. It could have been a male, I don't know, and my friend who immediately said,

she's coming right for us, so he immediately felt that it was a female too. So I'll just say that it was a female, but I don't know. We both sort of got our phones at, at the same time and turn the flashlights on. And as we did this, the vocalization stops and we see nothing. There's nothing in front of us.

You know, we look over the tree. We're scanning all around with our lights. There's nothing. And it's so mind-boggling. My adrenaline is like non-existent. I know it's so through the roof. I feel like there's just a mountain of adrenaline above me even. I'm just so unbelievably freaked out.

and I turn to my friend and I say we got to get out of here you know leave your tent I don't care about it I'm leaving my tent maybe I'll come back in the morning I don't care if I ever see it again we're also now hearing behind us these two things that we are supposing are in the woods that were in front of us you know doing the wood knocks and walking through the ravine

we're hearing them move through the woods now and again it's not this dramatic crashing through the woods it should it's this sure step as though these things are just I don't know if they've been through it a million times and it's like a it was like a trained thing it was like a navy seal tactic you know they just were moving in the dark with sure steps letting us know for coming in closer they weren't

they weren't hiding it because this thing that vocalized behind us 50 feet behind us she snuck all the way either around the tree line or she cut right through the open campsite for 120, 30 yards. And we didn't hear her at all. You know, not at all. The only reason we knew she was there is because she screamed at us. So we're constantly turning around in the 360 now with our lights, trying to see if she's there,

trying to see if these two are in the woods. And then I should say two, I really think that there were four, because I think the initial vocalization that we heard, it just sounded so male, and it just sounded so different from the vocalization we heard that was, you know, 50 feet behind us. Again, I can't scientifically say, hey, I know that there were four of these creatures there. It's, you know, with so many of these experiences, it's, you have to just sort of go off of your senses. and that's hard too because when you have so much adrenaline and it's dark and you're in this fight or flight mindset,

your senses are almost unreliable. So as we're spinning around with our flashlights, trying to see these things, not seeing anything, my friend starts breaking his tent down. And I'm yelling at him at this point. You know, I'm like, dude, man, leave your tent. You know, who cares about that? We have to leave now.

these things are trying to get us the hell out of here. I'm leaving all my stuff. And my friend is just so bullheaded, though, that he was saying, no, man, I'm not leaving his tent. You know, I paid whatever X amount of money for. I'm taking it. And he folds his 10 up. And he starts doing it to mine, too.

And I just said, you know, we got to leave this. And it's one of those things, again, where I didn't just get in my car and say get in we're leaving I don't know it was like I was letting circumstance just play out and I was just kind of in the passenger seat which

is terrible in these kind of situations you know you as an adult and as a man with testosterone and you know someone who's experienced wild things and you think that in the moment you'll act and you'll say oh I know what I

would do, you know, and I'm going to do it right now. I think we should get out of here. I'm getting out of here. But that just was completely out the window. So as he's breaking my tent down, which again is a six-person, massive, stupid, clunky tent. And the poles always get stuck at the top in the little sleeves that have for the poles. I'm shining my light still on that tree where I assume this focalization came from. my friend who is breaking the tent down keeps shining his light up you know he's shining it at the

tent and he'll shine it up he's shining it down at the tent he'll shine it up you know at the tree line and all around us too at some point he shines off kind of back toward behind my car while i'm shining my light at that big tree where i think this vocalization has come from and that's when I saw her. My friend did not see her. I saw her. She was there the whole time and we didn't see her because she was so unbelievably black. I'm talking about blacker than a shadow, blacker than anything else.

I just thought it was part of the night. I thought it was, I thought it was a tree stump. Honestly, I've heard people say that in podcasts so many times, you know, when they're going through their experience. I thought the same tree stump. And I believe that when I heard it, but my mind couldn't wrap around. How can someone think this big, bulky, hairy thing,

even if it's squatted down, could be a tree stump. But it just, your mind can't, in the moment, calculate or even accept that something that big is an organic, biological thing. I've got a car passing something to be quiet for a second. So the only reason I saw her is because she moved. She was on all fours, and on all fours, she was three and a half or four feet tall,

which is just, that's that unbelievable thing to think about. That's something that's not a quadruple. head, something that's not this big, you know, moose or rhinoceros, as I said earlier, something like that. Something that, you know, generally moves around on two feet, could be down on all fours and be four feet tall. So as I'm shining my flashlight at her, she threw her hands forward from a sort of squatting position with all fours. she threw her hands forward and lunged into the tree line. When she did this, I yelped basically. I probably sounded like a 12-year-old.

This just yelp of fear escaped me. I grabbed my friend's shirt and I said, did you see it? Did you see that? And he said, no, where, where? And I think that he thought that it was again coming at us. So he got freaked out again. you know, even more so.

I said she just bolted into the tree line. And that's when I sort of just turned into a mode where I said, I don't care we're getting out of here, you know, and I took my pocket knife and I just cut the sort of the cordage between the tent poles because we couldn't get the goddamn tent pulls through the top of the tent. So I just cut it and I pulled it and I just tore the hell out of the top of my tent. And even looking back, I don't care at all. I just don't care.

But I have to say when this thing moved, it was faster than anything I've ever seen. And again, when I hear that in experiences, my mind always goes to speed. But I now know when people are talking about these things moving faster than anyone could imagine, they're not just talking about speed, they're talking about agility. this massive, massive thing. As she lunged forward, she moved faster than any Olympic athlete I've ever seen do any attempt at any sport. Faster than any kind of wildcat pouncing or running after its prey. More agile than anything I've ever seen in my life.

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The unbelievable thing about it was not just the speed, but I did not hear her land. I didn't hear her land in the woods at all. She bolted, you know, with her hands forward. And if that happens, you know, if an object moves forward, it stops moving. You know, she had to land, but I didn't hear a leaf. nothing.

And these things are still moving behind us in the woods. So that was finally just seeing her and seeing her do that. That was finally when, you know, the thing clicked over in my head and it just said, okay, here's your answer. Time to leave. And I, you know, I cut the cordage on the tent poles. We pulled them through, just through everything in the back of my vehicle. and I mean I sped out of there

so fast that I almost went into the ditch twice just leaving the forest and as that happened again the adrenaline just skyrocketed and thinking if you go into the ditch you're done you're not walking out of here and I don't have a vehicle with four-wheel drive so I'm not getting out of there

so I keep it on the road and you know we get it out of there and that's the experience in a sense but what a lot of people don't get to talk about, but I don't think is the immediate, after, you know, the moments, the minutes and the hours after the experience, we're two and a half hours away from my house

in central Iowa. Immediately I drove up and just to be in some sort of town. But it's like 10.08, I think. I called my wife immediately. were leaving the part and barely explained it. And I just said, hey, I just had this terrible experience. And I said, please don't laugh at me. Like, please, dear God, don't laugh at me.

Because she knows how close I am to the subject, you know. And I even told her about some of the experiences that I've had. I shouldn't say experiences, though I've had so many, you know, but I had, you know, a pretty affecting experience when I was a kid. And I told her about that. and she, I don't know, I just, I think I just wanted to be taken seriously immediately because I was still so close to it. So I called her and it was only a too minute conversation. She said, no, I'm sorry.

You know, I'm sorry that happened. And are you okay? And I believe, you know, I said, yeah, I'm fine. And we just got to, I try to tell somebody, you know, but we were going to figure this out. So my friend of my driving to Lucas, which is three, four minutes away. and you know the whole town is asleep by 10 there's hardly any lights on at all in the town you know the street lights are also just kind of pitiful there it's it's just so dark that I kind of think you know as we're driving through the town I think no one of these things you know can I go go go here there's just no there's nothing going on you know and so then my friend and I drive around for a while and we're just saying what do we do you know I'm not going to go get a hotel or something you know I'm not going to camp somewhere else. my friend was kind of saying we should go cam down at a lake a little east of where we were at and I just said no way man you know she's no way I'm camping tonight and we basically got into a pretty pretty sweet argument over it and I love this dude you know and I just went through something insane with him but we just weren't thinking right you know and but I wound up driving two and a half hours back to my place and we didn't get in the door until 220 at night and I was just dead tired after that from all these and spikes because the adrenaline spike doesn't go down.

It didn't go down in the car until we'd been driving for an hour, an hour and a half because, you know, we're just trying to make sense of this thing. And I realized in the car too at some point, I think pretty quickly that I was so, so unbelievably thankful that I had someone. there with me.

For one, because I don't think these things would have come into our site or done what they did had there been other campers there. I think it was all perfect in that we showed up basically at night.

I had the car running for a little while. I had the lights on. We're walking around the campsite then with our flashlights and stuff. And I think these things just said, hey, you know, what's this? we better check this out. If we had gone there and set up our tents during the day, that might not have happened because they may have taken their looks or their peaks from the woods during the day

and said it's just these two guys camping. Who cares? Who knows? Maybe they would have moved on. Maybe they don't want people there. I have no idea. But I was so thankful that I had somebody with me because I felt not safer, but I felt like maybe it didn't escalate any further

because there was two of us and because we got out of there when we did, but also because no matter what, no matter how many times I tell this story in my life and it doesn't matter who I'm telling it to, whether I'm telling it to the host of a podcast, you know, that's specifically about Bigfoot, whether I tell it to my best friend, my brothers, my mother and father, my wife, my kids, whatever.

No one can fully believe me to just the nth degree 100%. And they also, I can't deliver over the noises that we heard, the fear that I felt, the thing that I saw. Even if I tell the story perfectly, I can't deliver that over because no one else was there to experience it except for my friend. And so I at least in my life have someone who was there. and he knows exactly what happened. And even though we both still, I know, our minds are just blown as to what did happen. He at least was there and he experienced it with me.

And sometimes when I hear people who have these experiences that are like mine or even much worse, more violent, more terrifying than mine, and they're all alone and they don't have anyone else, even other experiencers, they don't have anyone else who experience that exact thing with them. I think that is absolutely tragic. And I just feel so fortunate that even though that happened, I had my friend there with me.

I had someone who experienced it with me. And I don't know. I think that at least is some kind of, I can take some kind of solace from that. So that's really the account, the experience as it happened. Red, thank you for sharing that. That is incredible. That's probably the most incredible Iowa account I've ever heard in five years.

That's wild, dude. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions that I wrote down? No, not at all, man. I'm here, so I'm fine with anything. These might seem really random. But so what time exactly do you think you were cooking the Bratwurst? I know that it was past nine it was probably

so the window really is like let's say I imagine we got there at 830 and we bolted out of there just after 10 so we're there for an hour and 40 minutes let's say I bet it was like 9 o'clock or maybe 9.30 you know it's because these I know those are the parameters of when we got in and when we left.

I know because I looked at my clock on my vehicle when we pulled in. And I think it was like 820 something, 828, something like that. And then I know when we left just because I looked at my phone to call my wife. But, you know, as I'm talking about these sort of intervals of time, I think just because my adrenaline has spiked the whole time too, they may have been shorter, they may have been longer in 20. certain things happening. But it's almost hard for me to wrap my mind around.

Like, were we really sitting there for 30 minutes after the initial sound? Were we sitting there for 25 minutes? Because that's almost more unbelievable, you know, for us to sit there that long through that. But so I bet I was cooking it. I know I was cooking on after nine at least, but it may have been 9.30. Or is there any other food involved? No. I had some other food, but I wasn't cooking anything.

and nothing pungent. Really, when I camp, I don't bring anything too eccentric. I think I had some apples, some canned food, and like a couple broths. And just like regular type brat worse, nothing out of the ordinary?

Yeah, yeah, nothing out of the order. I think they were those lighter colored, like kind of terribly gray brats that, you know. And it sounds like there wasn't anything recorded, no audio recorded. anything like that just because it happened so quick and emotions were high yeah and actually that uh

i didn't know who i would tell about this i knew i had to tell people just because i i had such an anxiety and the next couple days after this uh um you know as uh i'm constantly trying to quit smoking and i've quit for intervals of two years three years but i just always go back to it and uh I had been in kind of an interval of not smoking, but now I smoked two packs of two days. I was so stressed out. You know, as I'm trying to find, like, you know, I'm actually scrolling through my own saying,

I can tell about this. But I want to tell my parents and, you know, I love my parents and I told them some wild stuff, but I just, I don't know, I didn't imagine I'd ever tell them. But as I told my mom, she said, did you record it? And I didn't think about that until,

you know, I must have seen her Saturday, and this happened Thursday night. So I didn't think about that until Saturday. And she asked me, and I just said, no, like not a second, no photos, no recording, nothing. And I just never, even in the interval of me looking at my friend for whatever, 15, 20, 30 minutes, you know, saying, we need to leave, what do we do? I never was like, hey, we should record this. And again, I'm someone who's been interested in this my entire life, basically. Yeah, it's a thing where you know, you never know how you're going to act until you're in the situation, right? Yeah.

Let's see. So it sounded like you did not see the face of the creature then. No, not. And so when I saw her, I didn't realize, again, that I was even looking at her until she moved. But so I didn't even, as she moved her hands out and dove. forward. I didn't even hardly make out fingers. It happened so fast. And it was just so dark and so black. I could tell, you know, I could see arms extend. And then I could see the sort of shape of the butt and the legs hunkered down and her torso and everything. But then it just actually took

out, I didn't see any features at all on her face. Did you get a sense? And this is tricky. Did you get a sense for how tall the creature was? It sounds like it was. It sounds like it was just lunging, you saw it on all fours and then I lunged forward. Yeah, and I'd be totally making something up or lying if I said, I think she was eight feet tall or I think, because I just don't know. I do, I do know that she had to have been three and a half or four feet tall. And I didn't go back and measure nothing like that, but I worked in construction for years, my whole teenage and adult life.

And I just, I know measurements, you know. And she was three and a half or four feet tall. and when she lunged, you know, when something throws their hands forward and jumps, they're going to be long anyway. Because I've actually, I've seen a wildcat, you know, a mountain lion in person before. And it was running next to a vehicle that I was in out of this cornfield. And it was amazing. And I, from maybe 400 yards away, I thought it was a fawn, you know. And then as we got closer and I saw it was a mountain lion, the guy driving wanted to get as close as he could to it.

But as this thing was running, the vertices that it was reaching was amazing. You know, it was like a horizon. It was like a perfect flat line with its legs thrown out and its back legs and its tail behind it. So even, I mean, a mountain line is not even a portion of the size of what this thing was, but no matter what if you're lunging like that, you're going to look long. But she lived long, you know, and I wish I could have seen her stand up just to be able to truly, gauge the height and the size, you know, but I didn't get to look at that at all. So the campground sounds very interesting.

He says it's about 200 feet long. It was cleared out. Were there any buildings or anything around the area? Yeah. And so it was probably like 200 yards long. And it may have been longer because really when I, we showed up, I didn't take like a mental like, oh, okay, this the campsite is 200 yards long. I just, as that sound occurred, you know, and the initial one, the initial whoop that was, I would say, 150 yards behind us. That being at the northwest corner of the campsite, it could have been further, but I would say the campsite was about 200 yards long.

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I didn't happen to use it, but there was that building. There also were some houses sort of skirting in and out of the sort of outskirts of the state forest, which, you know, when we left, I just thought, man, someday I might have to go knock on some doors and say, how are you living here? Because I know you're getting bothered at night. You know, I just can't imagine living at that place. The brick and mortar building, what corner of the campsite was out on? That was an hour.

So on the southeast corner. The southeast corner? Okay. So you were hearing, you're experiencing everything on the opposite side of the campsite then? Yeah. So that initial call came. And actually, I can kind of correspond with you with like over a map at some point, but there's a really big pond actually down to the west of that northwest corner.

and I'm just guessing, but this thing that vocalized initially, I would assume, came up maybe from that pond. But so that was all from the northwest corner coming down to us. And then in the southeast corner, diagonally to our right in the woods, this thing knocking was in the southeast corner. And then also this thing coming up in the ravine

a little bit diagonally to our left. I should say too, so this is just because I'm thinking about it And I've thought about it so many times now. I think everyone who listens to the Sierra Sound door has had their own experiences, even if it's just hearing whoops or howls or tree knocking in the woods. You know, people are always wondering, obviously, you know, what form of communication is that?

What are they trying to communicate? And I don't know, you know, even after having experience. I really don't know. But it's so the initial sounds that we heard when we were. gathering firewood and I asked my friend was that an elk? I now know that had to have been this initial thing, this initial thing that, you know, who made the noise than 150 yards from us.

But so I think what they were doing, I think that one was privy to us coming in to the forest. And I think what it was doing was it was centralizing its location to other Bigfoot or Sasquatch in the forest and saying, and maybe it was saying, hey, this is where I'm at, come to me. You know, maybe just with that noise, they know, oh, maybe we should go into, there's something going on. And then, you know, because as it vocalized again,

150 yards behind us, and then we got that tree knock within seconds, it was almost like they were, maybe that was a response to say, hey, we're here, you know? And I don't know if it was saying I've got eyes on it and there are two of them or if it was saying they're two of us. Maybe it has nothing to do with numbers. I have no idea, but that's I just, that was something I thought about after, you know, in the sort of following days when I've been thinking about this. You know, maybe that's an answer as to what that is. And I, again, I don't know.

I'm just totally theorizing. I did do, I did track down some departments. over wildlife biologists prior to our call. I talked to each of the phone numbers on the website just to see if I could get anyone on the phone. And I asked them questions, sort of like, were there any reports of large creatures, bears last week or this week? And they said, nope, not in a long time. So I wanted to kind of like take that out of the picture, you know. Yeah. But, wow, this is, this is incredible.

Did you, so you packed up everything and, um, you didn't leave anything, did you? No. And I, um, I really don't camp as much either, you know. I, uh, I think I left the, the bag, the casing of my chair. I think, um, it's a navy blue guidesman chair. And I don't think it has that logo on the bag. It's just a navy blue bag, but, uh, or like, sleeve bag for camping chairs. I think I left that. And again, farewell, you know, I don't care about it at all. But everything else, I had the really small cooler, my chair and my tent, really, and that's all I had.

And my friend really just had his chair and his little tent, you know. We managed to get it all, even though I would have been just fine. is there any chance your friend would talk to me I think so and again I don't know that he would want to go on maybe doing it as like a public kind of thing he may be open to it I don't know I'm not

definitely not asking him to either just for my pretty much for my records yeah I will absolutely reach out to him and put you guys in touch And I really do think that he would be open to talking about it because he also, just to make this even more of a statistical anomaly, believed wholeheartedly going into this. You know, it's, it just makes it so much stranger to have two people who believe and who aren't going looking for this for it to happen to them in central Iowa.

I think he'd be open to it because he actually, that night, he's really. responsible about, you know, we've found some rare species of snakes before, and he reported that to the DNR. He's seen when someone has done kind of like a mass dump of littering in a park. He said, I'm calling the DNR. He's very open to like when things are sort of a ride naturally, he's fine with reaching out to the DNR. But we were talking about that night. He said, I feel like I have to call the DNR. I don't, what if this ripped somebody apart? And I said, let's just think about that, though, because I don't know if I necessarily want to get tangled up with having my name involved with,

I haven't heard first person, but I've certainly heard over accounts on, some, you know, reading online and just hearing people on podcasts where, you know, they've kind of run into some intimidation stuff and they've reported this kind of stuff to agencies, you know, not to people really necessarily interested. Yeah. I don't know if that would be the case, but I kind of said, I'll think about it before we do that, you know. But if I'm not rambling, you know, if I can say too,

I'm thinking about this because I'm mentioning what he said. You know, as we were talking about it that night, I said, can you imagine if this happened to someone who didn't know, who didn't go into the experience, knowing what those noises were or could be didn't know what to do. What if it was to a group of guys who'd been drinking, you know, or a mother with her children or a family with children there.

But I just imagine, you know, these things whooping in the night or calling out and young men being, you know, pissed drunk or something, making noises back at them or yelling back at them. And I just can't imagine that I would go over. well at all you know this this thing when it when it yowled at us with that just anger of just like the deepest

just I mean it was just the meanest thing I've ever heard if that was any other predator that we know about not just in North America but in the entire world that was any other predator and I'll say like even in America if that was a mountain lion a coyote a wolf

a bear, a raccoon, that thing would not have stopped vocalizing. It would have kept growling, and it would have escalated, and it would have come toward us. Even if it didn't attack us, it would have pushed us out or come to try to just get a bite.

You know, they would have just been in this rage. There's absolutely no way that any other predator would have just been complacent with, okay, they're leaving. You know, that's just not, how that type of mind works.

This thing, you know, they, even if they didn't plan it for it to happen exactly this way, they have tactics. They thought ahead. You know, they,

they at least planned ahead, even if it didn't go according to their plan. It seems like it did, but if they had it their way completely, I never would have seen her either. You know, I never would have got a sight on her. None of them exposed themselves besides her.

All we heard were the vocally. localizations, didn't see them besides her. My friend didn't even see her and I saw her for a flash, you know? It's these things don't want to be seen and they were pretty successful at a few last questions. Were you under the influence of anything at all that day? No, not, not anything. And that can be anything at all, uh, drink.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I, um, to be honest, I, um, to be honest, I, I had a drink since 2018. Perfect. Yeah, awesome. I might imbibe and other things at times, but I wasn't that day at all.

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It said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a recesses. Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to heighten taste? Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a recess. They don't in a way that sounds like human language. Sometimes, you know, I've heard vocalizations online where they, you know, especially with their screams, you can say, man, that sounds like a dying woman or that sounds like a witch. You know, some people say that.

But this thing did match so similarly, at least. You could have basically taken clips of the Sierra sounds out. It didn't sound exactly like them, but it fit within the exact same genre. So let's say those weren't bigfoot or saskwatching the Sierra sounds Whatever those were that's what was pushing us out of that site you know I also you know mountain lions don't knock on trees I don't to my knowledge I've never heard of any that hunt in packs And you know this again if it was a mountain lion it was yelling like that at us

Even if it didn't attack us and didn't come right for us we would have seen it. It would have made itself seen because one of the things with big predators is they say, I'm going to make myself look as big

and mean as possible. I don't want this prey or this other predator to just hear me. They're going to see me. You know, Mountain Lions do this is where they put their ears back

and they arched their back real big or they puffed their chest out and they get that snarl on their face and they show all their teeth. They're very showy in those moments. This thing wasn't doing that.

That's wild, man. That is, lastly the rock you said was like a rock bathhouse what geographically do you can use um

north south whatever what corner of the campground campsite was that bathhouse on that was super close to us it was just a bathroom a male female bathroom but it was it was just in the southeast corner

there kind of we stayed on lot three and it was just right there by us. Okay, so your campsite was the closest one to that rock bathhouse thing. Yeah, and it's not like it had masoned stone on the outside. It was like a cinder block bathroom. Yeah, I got it. Okay, I think those are the main questions. if you could

and I'm not a guy that that pushes but if you could reach out to your friend and start that tonight after this call that would be much appreciated I need to talk to him as quickly as possible while it is still fresh in his mind.

Yeah absolutely. So yeah I'll call him as soon as as soon as we wrap up and because I know at least even if he doesn't go through like a super long thing with you and give you whatever, spending 40 minutes an hour or whatever.

I know he would at least talk to you and I know he most likely talked to you on the phone too. I bet he would go through things with you. Absolutely. That would be great. Red, thank you so much for reaching out again. This is definitely another interesting account for Iowa.

And if you think of any more details, definitely feel free to send them my way. But thank you so much, man. If you got to go, I promise, I'm not going to keep you as much longer, but I do have a question for you, man, because I always wonder, you know, the people who host these show them, they hear all the accounts and they hear so many things that, you know, the listeners don't hear. And I know you've had some accounts, too. And the thing that everyone always wonders is, I wonder if you have a beat on what you think Sasquatch is. So it's, it's tricky for me because I've not actually. heard or seen it.

Yeah. But I would, from things I've heard and gathered from witnesses, I would think we are dealing with an undiscovered great ape, but I'm also curious, like, how you're categorizing it in your mind as well, because you did see it for a bit. Is it like more of a relative of us or some great ape in Iowa? or is that something where you're still working through yourself, you know? Yeah, and, you know, I feel like even if someone had a body, we could obviously study it. Believe me, I'm sure they've been studied.

Sure. But, yeah, I think it is so hard to get a true answer, you know. I don't mean from someone. I just mean from the thing itself, you know. Right. Yeah, I mean, I have my theories too. You know, I don't know. you know, even from the experiences I've had, but I don't know, you know, there's so many different species in the fossil record that could have become this.

You know, there are so many species that never made it or will make it to the fossil record. This could be something that, in a, you know, historic sense, or I guess I shouldn't say historic, more of, you know, a lithic and biologic sense. we just might not be aware of what it ever was and has become, you know, there's, you know, they seem to have these longer limbs, you know, than us, these really long arms, kind of like a, you study like the skeletal systems of australopithecines usually have kind of longer arms and just sort of shorter legs. And, you know, australopithecines were pretty, pretty damn small. You know, they were very short and didn't walk around with a lot of weight to them. But, you know, Australopithecines lived flat. million to a million years ago that we know of so that's a long time to change you know from then to now and you know they became so many things to you know the parentthropis also wasn't that big but sometimes people throw that around and that lived i think also three to one million years ago and i don't think they found any of their fossil records outside of africa to my knowledge but who knows you know i mean the uh when people talk about gigantic

Pythicus and Beringia, you know, to my knowledge, the last giganticapithecus we know of existed 200,000 years ago. I think they have done some analysis on one of the teeth that they found. I think there's like maybe an allowance to where it may have existed 100,000 years ago. And that's just from fossil record. I don't think that's just completely black and white by any means. but there were so many glacial occurrences during the Pleistocene which existed for two and a half million years

that epic there were 16 or 17 glacial episodes to my knowledge so Berengia could have been exposed over a dozen times you know that gives you know ample time for different things to come over I mean there were there were bipedal apes in a sense

hominids in Southeast Europe seven million years ago you know Greco Pithicus was really that that was to what we know

you know that shared ancestry with the homogenous but not with chimps so in a sense Greco Piscicus is one of the oldest if not the oldest original human representations

at least in the human lineage since the human and chimpanzee split them and that existed in Europe you know seven million years ago so I just don't think people want to maybe accept or at least hear

the diverse diversity of, you know, homin and hominid species that have existed over the last, you know, seven, eight million years. So who knows, you know? It's wild. That's wild. It is. It's wilder than that, too.

But I, man, I feel like I'm keeping it. So I don't want to keep going into it. But maybe another time we'll go through different theories or something. Yeah. It's a cool thing, Red, is. It's not just this one thing that you've had happened to you. You got some cool things that have come to you. But Red,

thank you so much for hanging out. Just if you'd be able to reach out, try to reach out to your friend tonight, that would be much appreciated so that things could just start rolling. That would be great. I'll call him right now. And would you rather me connect you guy? He's on Instagram.

I can connect you over Instagram. I could give him your number if you're comfortable with that. I don't know if you give that out very much. Just give him my number. You tell me and I'll do it. Yeah, we'll do. Yeah, perfect, man. And I think just, you know, we, I don't know,

you being an Iowa guy and being so open and, you know, such a great platform for so many people to just be able to talk about this. I think that'll go a long way with him. So fantastic. Thanks so much. It was great chatting with you. We'll be in time. touch okay? Yeah. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide

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